Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Blueface Part 1

Episode Date: December 24, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Platinum-selling West Coast rapper Blueface sits down with Shannon Sharpe on Club Shay Shay for one of his most raw and revealing interviews yet. Known as a viral internet sensation, polarizing media figure, and household name. He begins by explaining why he recently quit smoking and drinking, detailing the withdrawals, his lowest moments, and what he hopes to accomplish as he enters the next chapter of his life at 28 years old. Blueface reflects on a viral moment crying with his son at an NBA game and breaks down the kind of father he wants to be to his three children, including controversial moments involving his daughter. Stating if he would let his daughter let him date someone like him.  The rapper addresses his face tattoos, including getting inked in prison, the pain, hygiene risks, and rumors of companies paying him for “skinvertising.” He shares whether he regrets any tattoos. Blueface dives deep into his childhood, relationship with his mother, public family conflicts, and the absence of his father. He reveals how football once looked like his future, earning a scholarship to Fayetteville State in North Carolina, then dropping out and living in Los Angeles and going over his first time with the law. The conversation turns to prison — why he went, how it felt like a break from responsibility, the classes he took, fights behind bars, celebrity treatment, refusing protective custody, and viral moments like the infamous A.I. prison split photo. He opens up about business, owning King of Crabs seafood restaurant, failed ventures, lawsuits, money mistakes, best investments, and whether he makes more from music or entrepreneurship. Blueface reflects on signing to Cash Money West, lessons from Birdman, being part of the XXL 2019 Freshman Class alongside Gunna, Megan Thee Stallion, DaBaby and Roddy Ricch, and life-changing collaborations with Cardi B, Lil Baby, Offset, NLE Choppa, and Kevin Gates. From tour stories and cosigns from Drake and Kendrick Lamar to falling outs with fellow rappers, boxing beefs with Soulja Boy and Jake Paul, getting stabbed and robbed, dating drama with Chrisean Rock and other exes, and his struggle with internet fame.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or something? Yeah. Yeah. What is that? What is the paper airplane signify? I'm fly. So are you done now? Nah. Well, you ain't got nothing. What the hell are you going? I don't get my nose too. But I'm still like trying to figure out what would be, you know, work.

You know? Nothing. Yeah. I don't think of nothing. All my life. They're grinding all my life. Sacrifice. Hustle paid the price.

Want to slice. Got the roll of dice. That's why all my life. I be grinding on my life. Yeah. All my life. Sacrifice. Hustle paid the price.

Want a slice. Got to roll a dice. That's why all my life. I've been grinding on my life. Hello. Welcome to another episode of Club Shesh. I am your host, Shannon Sharper. I'm also the propriet of Club Shayshay.

Stopping by for conversation today as a platinum selling rapper, a West Coast recording artist, a polarizing media figure, a vire internet sensation, a charismatic MC, had devoted with a devoted fan base. He's a household name, Harry is, Blueface. Wow. What's up, bro? You good? What introduction? I love it.

You love that? I love that. Man, let's get right into it. I saw the other day that you had stopped smoking and stopped drinking. What went into that decision? Um, it's jail, I guess. I kind of went a long time without it, so I'm stuck with it. You know, I'm working out now.

Right. You look healthy. I mean, when you walked in, I'm looking at him like, well, damn, he don't look all thin and emaciated. I mean, you look like, I can tell you've been working out. Yeah. But you look healthy. You look happy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely healthy.

I'm in my prime right now. And you're in your prime? I'm in my prime. You're about to turn 28, right? 29. 29. Yeah. 29. That's a very short life. What do you think the 50-year-old moving forward 20-plus years would look back until that a 28, 29-year-old blue face?

Well, you would have been better without that one. That one, what? That tattooed, that young lady. What would you have been better without? Probably a few ladies, you know, better without them. You say you stopped because when you went, you went to jail for a little while and you didn't have it in there. And so you realized that you could live without it. You could do without it. Exactly. Was that had you not had to go through that experience, that was something that you would have voluntarily quit on your own? Definitely not. Oh.

Do you think you drinking, smoking, do you think that led to some of the bad things? decisions that you've made. Hmm. Yeah, not smoking necessarily, but drinking, yeah. Maybe, um, because I'm a reactor, you know? Yeah. So I react. I don't really act too much.

So a lot of the decisions I make, I don't really. You don't really think about it. You just reacting at the time. Exactly. So, but I think maybe the liquor, maybe have, uh, made my reaction a little bit more detrimental than, than others. Right. What do you think some of the worst decisions that you've made while, you know, maybe not being intoxicated, but you're drinking to the point that you're not in, you're not thinking clearly. And clearly you probably would not have made the decisions that you made had you not been drinking. Uh, probably gave a couple passes, you know, when to put my hands on a couple people. Right.

That's all really. I mean, it's never really got me like, took it over me or nothing, you know. It just might be a little gas, extra gas in a tank. Have you ever partaking in hard drugs? No, I don't know. Just weed and liquor. Just weed and liquor. Yeah. Was it hard to give it up?

Um, in the beginning, yeah. You know, go through withdrawals and stuff. Feel like you need it. But as time goes on, you don't really need nothing. But how, let me ask you this. When you still do what you do, you still go out. And I don't know if you still go to club, but probably some of the homies that you hang around,

they probably still drink, they probably still smoke. How hard is it when you're around that environment? It's easy when you're not around that environment and other people are not doing it. But when you're in that situation and they're smoking, they're drinking, and you're like, damn, I remember the times

I used to be able to do that. Is it hard? No, that's when you know you truly are like over, you know? Once you can be around it and not, like, be tempted or just want to do it just because you're around it. That's when you truly moved on, I feel like. When you're incarcerated, and I've talked to a lot of people that's some people, not a lot, but a few people that's been incarcerated, I had Wallow on here, and he was saying like that you really get an opportunity to really just think because that's really all you have is time.

Literally. Just you and your thoughts about, man, I'm not coming back here. And everybody's, a lot of people say that blue face and they end up right back there. Yeah. Have you told yourself that? I ain't going to be back. I'm not going to put myself back in this situation. Definitely. A hundred times. Every night, every day, every phone call, you know, people acting funny. I always told myself, I'll never come back here unless it's life or death, you know?

Wow. Did people switch up on you once you went in? Yeah, definitely. People that you thought was cool, that was down with you, when it was going good, they was right there, but all of a sudden, it's not as good as it once was, once was, and now you're here, and they're like, They ain't answering the calls. They're not calling. They're not checking in. Yep.

That's what makes the difference right there. That's what wakes you up, you know. It makes you want to better yourself, you know, get in shape. Right. Work out. You know, prison is pretty like up to date these days. They got classes and whatnot, you know, self-help groups and college courses. Right.

So that kept me out of the cell a lot, you know, in my mind off of just that. You know, you don't want to be thinking about that all day. Right. Just only reflecting when you're looking in the mirror, no? Right. Because you're in there, you got, I don't know, 24 months, 36 months, however many, how much time you had in there. Yeah.

And like you said, you have classes, but when you go in there, I mean, you probably, they probably shut it down, what, five, six o'clock? Yeah, about that, eight o'clock probably. Eight o'clock? Yeah. And then basically you're there. What time is wake up in the next morning? Five?

Yeah, nine. The place I was at, we had child like 8 o'clock. Damn! 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. You might have been home. Well, you sure you weren't home? Damn, you go to bed and wake up at 8? Yeah, type stuff.

That ain't what I'm used to hearing about. Like, they get you up early first thing in the morning, 5 o'clock. Me neither. It was like, it was very freestyle there. Like, the staff wasn't too, like, programmed. They weren't on your head or anything like that, huh? Definitely. They were.

I'm just saying the schedule. They were like on black time. right that way it was on black time for sure usually when i was in delay no reception you know it's the same thing at the same time every day this prison was like we might get child at eight we might get child at nine damn exactly so you're just sitting there and just waiting for the door like oh they're gonna open it eventually what's the food like did make you miss home definitely yeah that's all i could think about was just a McDonald's a home-cooked meal or anything really but uh it's a lot of rice and beans

Damn. So what's a typical breakfast? You wake up, that's normal day. What's the typical breakfast consists of? Um, so when I go to trial, there'll probably be some oatmeal on a tray, a banana, some, a piece of bread and a piece of chicken. Like a chicken patty type thing, about this big. That's it? That's it. You can't get seconds? Nope. They're watching, too. Oh, so you get a piece of bread.

Mm-hmm. maybe some oatmeal, a banana, and a chicken patty. Water to drink, milk to drink. And that's it. That's it. So, okay, that's the 8 o'clock. When is lunch? They give you lunch right there too.

So they give you. How long do you get breakfast in lunch together? Exactly. So you only get two hot meals and then lunches like a cold, like sandwich bag meal. So when you go to get the breakfast, they're going to give you a bag with a peanut. With your sandwich and... Yeah, with a peanut butter and jelly in there. and some peanuts and an orange probably.

Damn! Yeah, it's pretty... They give you just enough, I guess. Right. But if you got stuff on the book, you can go to the commissary and you can stack up, get stuff like that. Yeah, there's some people that don't even go to child.

They all off the commissary. They don't even... I was going shit. I was thinking, I ain't too bougie. I'm eating everything on this tray, man. I ain't your tray. All right, you don't want to shoot it over here. Right.

But yeah, everybody was like, oh, I'm not eating this. All right. But you can have a hot plate. Do some people have some guys have hot plates in their room? And I see them because I see they be cooking stuff and this is what you make and they make all kind of stuff. Yeah, no, they can make their own breakfast, you know.

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maybe that I wanted to do. I did with my dad type thing. I think my dad took me to a game. So it was just cool to. Plus, I never sat on the floor before, so it was just doing that. We really was just, oh, shit. So having him there just made me even more vulnerable. He's a good dude, so he makes me soft a little. Did, but the internet didn't understand that moment, didn't it? No. They thought it was something more sinister, something actually going on that made you cry.

Yeah, you know how they do. Yeah. But no, it was just the moment, man. They got fireworks and shit going off inside the stadium. I'm like, damn, this is cool. I ain't never been this close, you know? Right. You're the father of three. What type of father are you? I am a fun dad, you know.

I just come in and make it have a good time. No discipline? It's hard for me. Why is it hard for me? I don't know. Because you know they're not going to be kids forever now. You know, kids grow up to be, you know, young adults and then adults. Yeah, I feel like it'll get easier for me once they grow up a little bit and I can.

It's going to be too far. far gone blue face. No, no, no, they mom is doing it. Okay, okay. They're doing the discipline part. I just come in and, you know, mommy, mommy was being mean to me today. Oh, yeah, don't be mean to him. Stop that. That's me. Right. But, uh, yeah, like, once they get older, I'll start being more hands-on with the discipline, but they're just too cute right now. How different are you as a father as opposed to your upbringing? Um, I don't think how much difference. It's crazy, though. I feel like I'm kind of like my dad. in the way. Like a lot of the stuff

he did. I just somehow did. Like, he had a Mexican baby mama and a black baby mama. I got a masculine baby mama and a black baby mama. I don't know how. You don't know how that happened. It just repeated it so. I see my, I see a lot like it's like deja vu.

Right. What type of example are you trying to sit for your kids? Because you know a lot of what you do is going to be played out over the internet. And although they might not be old enough to understand now, eventually they will come of age and they'll understand what transpired with their father. So what example are you trying to sit moving forward

because you can't go back in a race what's already happened? Yeah. So my example was just like, you know, provider, you know, Superman type of Santa Claus, you know. That's me. I'm not really going for, if I can not say that.

I just want them to have what they need, you know? Right. I'm not really too focused on. the later part, because I know later once they get older, just like I did, it'll start to make sense. We can't really help them understand something that they'll never understand. How old are the kid now? My youngest is two, three, and eight, so not old enough.

Not old enough. You've gotten some trouble, you had a lady twerking on your daughter's bed. Do you regret anything that you've done? Let's say, obviously, you know, you stop drinking, you stop smoking, and you're trying to live a different life than what you lived in the past. Do you regret anything that you've done in the past? No, not at all, because like I said, I'm a reactor. So a lot of my actions is just mirrored, you know? Right.

Whatever you decide to turn into right now, I'm just going to mirror it. Okay. So. So you on whatever time they own, that's what you own. yeah if you get that close you know right i'm not i'm not out to hurt anybody i'm not out to get anybody i'm living too good i'm having my way too much to to be mad or sad you know so but real life is real life you know what's in front of me will ultimately supersede social media right what i think late at night in my bed

you know i seen a couple times you you had your reaction yeah man i was i was i know and i wasn't even drinking that's what i'm saying you know that i feel like they just like to blame that so yeah you exclude it now what you're gonna blame you know deep down that's probably who we are huh literally yeah and the only way we can um fix that is for to expose it identify what it is yeah realize it yeah and then we correct it we can't just correct something that we don't know is there you said if your daughter didn't like your tattoo you'd get them removed yeah i don't know face you can get all those move bro. Yeah, but I know she loves it. She loves me. So would you be okay when she

becomes of age to date somebody with as many tattoos as somebody if she found the person that's identical to who you are, what you are, how you behave, you okay with that with your daughter? I can ask this question all the time and I always say yes just because I know myself, you know? So the ladies that I deal with, I have the best interest. I'm not dealing with them to bring them down or you know social media is what it is but in real life I got the best intentions for these women like you know whether it's whatever they need babysitter rent you know not even just that or they need you there sometimes emotionally spiritually so I would hope my daughter could find

somebody that can at least do that you know nobody's perfect those at least those qualities would be somebody decent enough that can convert into Whatever we need him to be, you know. My mom actually asked me a question. She said, so if your if your daughter was with a crackhead You wouldn't try to get her away from him? You said your mom asked you that? Yeah. Yeah, my answer is no. I would try to get him off crack. Okay Because I'm not going to risk my me and my daughter's relationship for This person if she loves this person. We all know how that's going to go right. Interesting I'm not going to drive her away. I'm going to bring them closer right and And you're going to try to get him help because clearly that's who she wanted to be with.

And so I don't want to upset her by trying to remove her. Maybe I get him help and they'll become even better. There you go. That's my theology on it. Okay. But some people will be like, no, we need to go kill them or get them away or threaten them. Right. You can't do that.

You're just going to push. She's just going to. Right. Now, she might fuck around and try to crack because now they're out there vulnerable. And she's feeling like nobody. And that's all she got is this guy. So and and and and you're probably it seems like you're looking at it well you don't know what drove him to try crack in the first place maybe it was something more than on the surface level than what we see exactly life is like all about understanding now it is it's a numbers game and once the numbers go up you have to update with it you know you don't have to be with it but you don't have to be against it right how were you when you started getting tatted

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They're like, how old is he right there? I don't know about him. You know, I was just, you know, just ahead of the time, I guess. So when you, did your mom agree to it or you just came home with a tattoo? I don't know. She didn't agree to him. So you just came home with a tattoo? Yeah, I just came home wearing shirts every day.

So you had a long sleep? She didn't know you had gotten tattooed that first time. No, no, not at all. So when she found out, she's like, what is this? You know, typical mom's shit. Boy, when did you get that? Where did you? Oh, Mom, I had this thing a long time.

This old thing. Exactly. Right. And so I hear tattoos are addictive. Is that true? Yeah, they're very influential. I feel like everybody's influenced by seeing somebody with a lot of tattoos. But me as a kid, I already knew I was going to be untowtered up like, I'm like this tall.

I'm like, when I get old, when you get old enough to get tattoos everywhere. Right. You know, so it was already kind of like a something that was inside of me. But in today's time, I noticed some people come around me and then they start getting more tattoos. So, six, seven type thing, you know. Let me, uh, you got tatted in jail. Isn't that illegal? You're not supposed to be able to do that.

Yeah. Yeah, I got a write-up for it, too. Yeah. So they gave you more time, right? Yep. Extra 30 days? Yeah. How do you know?

Been to jail? Hell now. Yeah, I got a 115 for. a tattoo and I got extra time. Damn. But hold on. How did you know, I mean, can't you get like hepatitis and stuff in there with unsanitary?

Because it's not like that's like a tattoo parlor and everything is sanitary. Yeah, no, not at all, I don't know. They literally tattooing you with a paperclip and a CD motor attached to a... Come on, for come on now. You wanted to tattoo that bad? Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. You wanted a tattoo that bad that you couldn't wait until you got out and got like

Or you just wanted a prison tat Yeah, I just wanted prison tats I wanted to say I got it in prison type of shit Well, you could have got it outside and said I got it in prison Ain't nobody gonna know Yeah, I don't know So my I was kind of rushing I'm like damn I'm all shit I got like how much time I got? Oh shit, I need more Come on come on come on

Like I don't know I didn't want to get out and have to like I don't know just wouldn't hit the same to me Right. Does it hurt, did it hurt the same as a normal tattoo? Like if you go to a tattoo parlor here in L.A. As opposed to, is anything, does it feel different? They ain't got no numbing cream clearly. No numbing cream, no, no, it's about the same.

It's about the same. You know, they're sticking a needle in your skin and scratch. And you trusted that? Yeah, I had a little SA partner, Southside of doing that. I trust them, the masks to tap me. I didn't really get to them. No blacks to tap me. None of the homies or none.

So when did the facial tattoos start? I already had like the blue face right here. Right. You had the blue face with the strip right here. Right. You had blue face with the hundred. So I already had probably like five face tattoos when I went in there, you know? So it wasn't like I just...

Hold on. So you got some face tattoos in there? Yeah, that was all I got was face tattoos in there. I... I was thinking you like an arm or something like a leg. All of this was in there. Johnny YSL, you got the MLB logo. Why?

No. Johnny, Journey. Journey, yes, my daughter. Jordan, okay. Got the sently with the C. No big senties and all that. I don't know that big hood. Sidney, Sidney.

Yeah, what else? I got a lot of hood shit. I mean, you say you got like a paper, a paper. airplane or something yeah what is that what's the paper airplane signify fly you know you could be fly without getting tatted yes so are you done now no well you ain't got nothing what what the hell you go i only get my nose too but i'm still like trying to figure out what would like what would be you know worth getting nothing so are your legs No, no legs.

So you got nothing on your legs? No, I want a damn thigh tattoo. Well, hell, I'm thinking why you want a thigh tattoo seems more real and practical than a face a face tattoo. So once you get the nose done, you're going to be done. Yeah, probably my back. I don't got no back tattoos. But I can't see my back, so you feel me?

You can't see your face either, let you look in the mirror. Exactly. When I'm saying my back, I can't never see my back, you feel me? So I feel like that's kind of pointless. my tattoos for me I'm not getting them for people to look at them and you know so the back is like well you know blue face when you get a tattoo and you put it on your face you know people gonna see that before you do no they're not because I'm put it on my face I know you did but you can't see it unless you cross eye

yeah you're right your childhood walk us through it what type of childhood did blue face have um regular so i went to um started playing football at balling hills i actually played with biggie small son no did you yeah balling hills bruns um and i went to um crinshaw i mean not criss elementary okay then i went to marvin elementary and i went to john burroughs and then my brother i had an older brother who was like doing the street shit at a very young age and uh He caught some time when he was like 16, 17. So my mom felt like she had to move us out of the hood.

So she just started like a cock chasing, you know? Oh, boy, at birth. You know what I mean? Trying to find rich men to, but she found one, and she moved us out to the valley. Right. And so we would just go back before. You didn't like it out there, did you? Uh, not at first.

You know, at first I was a little too aggressive. But, uh, you know, Got my ass kicked one time, you know. I mean, so I got, I got used to it. I like the girls out there, you know. Right. Valley girls is cool. Outside of street activities, is there any fond memories that you have with your childhood?

Fun, like, that I like. Yeah. I mean, did you have friends going up? Did y'all ride bikes? I like playing football. You like playing football. Pop Warner. Yeah.

Pop Warner was like. a real big part of my childhood. I used to go six months with my mom and then probably like football season, I go six months with my dad. Right. And just go back and forth. So throughout the year I'm going back and forth from wherever my mom is at, wherever my dad is at. So I lived a lot of places. So I picked up a lot of adaptive habits where I could just, you know, meet new people, be social.

Did you have to be two different kids or your mom? Your mom, you had to be a certain way your dad, was your dad more strict? Was your mom more strict? Yeah, my mom was a little bit more loose, you know? Uh-huh. And my dad was a little bit more, like, structured and type stuff, you know. Made me stay in the house and stuff. Go to work with them and write standards and shit if I didn't do right shit.

So I like my mom better, of course, you know. Right. More free-flowing. But, I mean, you didn't paint a very flattering picture, your mom, to like her more. you said she was, you know, chasing after me and trying to get you, you know, get you out of that environment. What is your relationship like with your mom? I mean, that was her best way of doing what's best for us, you know?

So it wasn't like a, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't mean to say it as if it was like a bad thing. That's just what she had to do to get us in a better environment because she's seen the environment we was in. Right. You know, took her other son, so, um, I appreciate her for it. She wasn't a bad mom. Right. She made me lunch, breakfast, took me to school, you know, made sure I was at practice and stuff.

She did exactly what she was supposed to do. But did you see your mom have multiple men, like in and out of the house? Did that affect you? Did they have? What type of relationship did you have with some of the men that she brought around? Yeah, it affected me just a little bit, you know? Just based on, like, when I, I say it affected me now that I'm older. It didn't affect me as a kid.

but then when I got older I'm like oh okay that's what you was doing like you know I thought that was your friend mom I thought that was your friend mommy I ain't know y'all fucking that's all you know so when I was a kid you know I'm just thinking oh that's mommy's friend mom friend you know now that I'm older I'm like oh yeah mom you was uh okay so how were the men were they were they try to discipline you were they tough with you where you like you don't tell me what to do you're not my you're not my dad I don't have to listen to you you yeah um my mom kind of ran a strict program she didn't let them ever feel like they could talk to us or discipline us so she did a good job on that she didn't like let them

discipline us right she'll get up on like on a bumper before right don't talk to him like that you know type stuff did your mom ever ever have to tell your dad well you know hey he's been acting up you need you need to talk to him you need to check him probably Hell yeah, for sure, and vice versa. You tweeted, you said you need your mom to be a mother, not a networker, not a baddie. Have you reconciled? Do you think your mom is too invested in your relationships? Yeah, hell yeah.

It messes up all of them, you know? Why do you say that? Because it's too soon. If I just meet a young lady and we're just dating and hitting it off, she she shouldn't meet my mom yet you know right know my mom yet until i feel it's time for you to meet my mom but your mom interject my mom was DM and then hey girl come on now let me get your number let me call you and then she just sabotages the relationship every single one she started posting them you know

because they start caring they care about what she thinks she's right so it's like she just overwhelms the the honeymoon phase did you have a conversation with your mom says, mom, I'm just now, I'm just like, I just met this person. I want to get to know them on a different level. This might be someone I can see myself with being long term. And by you coming in, doing what you're doing, you're undermining the relationship. You don't even give us an opportunity to get to really know each other. You've already made this thing public and yada, yada, yada, and every. A hundred times. I'm trying to, that's what I mean when I tell her I don't need her to be a batty. Like, if you see my girl, you should have a little respect for me to

at least not swing on her right you feel me like she's swinging on them and shit like out of all the females in this and this stuff like in this club you swinging on my girl what did you did your mom

did your mom ever tell you why she swung on her yeah but it was it wasn't true you know it wasn't with the video it was on video so you know what she said at first she said she pulled my whole wig off trying to get intersection or what do not but if that

that's your girl, she should be allowed in the section, right? Exactly. That's why I'm telling my mom, like, okay, once you see as her, you should address it. Hey, can you not, can you not, excuse me, you know? I'll just swing on her. I feel like she only swung on her because she knew she was with me. Right. Well, that was going to probably undermine the relationship, Blueface.

Come on, man. To be honest with you. I know, I've never seen this at any time. I was like, Mom, why are you trying to get them on your show and trying to just? Well, then why are you, why did your mom find out that you, Why are you going to bring your girl, or the person that you're seeing, maybe it's not your girl, maybe the person that you're interested in, why are you bringing them around your mom when you know she's going to have to exhibit this type of behavior? Well, it was just my homecoming party, so it was my day anyway, you know.

I'm not just bringing them over her house or in her presence, but if she's in the club, what can I do? She didn't even come with me. Right. She met me there with her friends. Right. You know, regular link up and moms is tripping. She want me to ask for my bike back. You know I wouldn't trick.

So all that being said, you feel your mom is kind of undermined a few of your relationships and you want her to to butt out. Yeah. I don't do that to her relationships. Right. That's mommy's friend. Right. I ain't all up in there.

You're cool with that. What you doing my mom in there? Right. What you're doing in that room? You feel me? I don't think she would like that. No. she wouldn't. If I was all in her boyfriend or her husband, feel me, texting him,

hey, what, what, what you doing my mom over there? That's what your mom be texting that to the young ladies? Man, she'd be trying to set up meetings with him. About what? That's what I'm saying. That's weird, right? Yeah. And it's not just the ones that I'm serious with every single one. I could post one tonight. She's going to be DMing them tomorrow. So, you're talking to my son like posting them and stuff you know it's just like it's very strange right

very very strange and then she likes to like play them against each other but you know your mom's on a reality show ain't you yeah so she's kind of like so that's what's that drama that sells I guess but she's doing at the expense of her own son exactly and I don't know if she noticed this

but she's causing conflict because I see it bothers you because you ask her not to do it And she continues doing it because you look at it as being disrespectful. You are my mom. I can only say so much because I'm never going to disrespect you, mom. But show me the same level of respect

when I ask you not to do something, not to do it. That's all I ask, man, I ain't asking her to do no more or no less. Just let me introduce you to them. Right. Don't introduce yourself to them because they're not even... It might not even go no more than this day.

And now you're going to use this one for the next one and now you just being messy, you know? Oh, he was just with, well, she'd be doing that too. Oh, she'll be, Bob, you do it way too much. She's sabotaging, gang. She'll be, I'll be with a young lady. You know, you're not just one of them. You're talking crazy to him.

Like, damn, why are you talking crazy? Hold on. Yeah, it's bad, brother. It's like it gives the wrong vibes to me because, like, I deal with a lot of women. So her body language, the signs that she does is just make, makes me think like she intentionally trying to do that huh it just gives me the wrong idea of like

what women do when they're into when they're into somebody right like obviously this woman likes me and this woman's right here this woman's going to sabotage us right here because she likes me right so you know that's the weird part do your mom think any any

woman female that you're woman female that you've been involved with do she do she think they're good enough for you because that has yeah after we break up and they start following her lead. Okay. Then she'll...

Oh, this was the perfect one for you. Yeah. But when I'm with them, she's yelling at, doing the same shit. Yelling at them, screaming at them, throwing shit on them. And then, all right, we break up six months later. Now she, her manager, and she, they're cool, and that's her little homie girl and all the stuff. So it's like, you know.

Have y'all thought about going to counseling together? She's too old. My mom. You're probably too old for counseling for therapy? It is. I feel like some people just restuck in their ways, you know, especially older people. Like, you've been living a certain way for 50 years plus. Yeah.

It's not going to be too much that can get you to change other than life. But doesn't she see that is hurting you, that is bothering you? Yeah. She doesn't care. She doesn't care. I'll tell her all the time. How does that make you feel when you tell her? mom please stop no I didn't get to choose herself something I just got to learn

how to live with learn how to accept her for her and vice versa you know I might not be as respectful or as she would like me to be and she just has to learn how to love me what type of relationship did you have with your father coming up fun day you know kind of like how I am like he didn't you never hit me or whip me or done he just disciplined me like once I got old enough He used to take me to work with him and make me be at work writing standards all day like if I didn't do the right stuff, you know You're right so I appreciated his way of doing it You know my mom would with me so it was different right got a little bit of both and uh

His way was a little bit more logical you know a little bit more Stuck longer you know what's the relationship now? Uh, we do he lives with me oh you live we do yeah, that's my dog He lived with me Because he respects me, you know I'm like my mom doesn't respect me As an adult She still see you as a little baby, huh? Exactly

That's how she cares, you know? Yeah Have your father tried to talk to her about it? Like, you know this boy grown, right? Man, the whole America has tried to talk to him. Shannon, you want to talk to her? Nah, if she ain't listened to you, if she ain't listened to it,

your dad might listen to you she might listen to shenny man y'all might have an older older thing where you can break it down to her in an older way because i guess i don't know i don't know how she's not getting it i'm not asking for much not asking for much do you want to get married uh yeah eventually actually prisons kind of tell me that it's a little bit more valuable to have a wife yeah when you were in who came did did people come to any of the lady that you were dealing with before you went in did they come visit you uh you Yeah, a few of them. Yeah, some of them would surprise me. Really? Didn't it? Hey, what's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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That's when I was getting visits. So you don't got to put them down. They could just show up on an appointment. But in prison, yeah, you got to send them a visiting for them. But they wasn't even approving my visiting for them. So the prison kind of just had it out for me. So I didn't get no visits in prison. What you mean that in the proof?

So what were you doing? Getting face tattoos? That's probably what they turned you down. Yeah, no, I was kind of viral, so they probably was just, you know, trying to protect themselves. We don't want him to visit a room. You said that you really love football coming up. You're a pretty good quarterback, led your team to the league title through for 1,200 yards,

17 touchdowns, 21 touchdowns in 2014. Yeah, yeah. I even went D2, HPCU. You were to Fayetteville State? Yes, sir. Why did you, I mean, you seem to like, you like sports, you seemed like you were good at football. What happened? Why did you, it was, whether the culture shock because North Carolina is a big difference in L.A.

That, and it just became to a business like, you know, first it was fun. You know, I was into, you know, the coaches actually cared about you a little bit. Then when you get to college, you're just a number. Yeah. Just something on the board. You know, as soon as it ain't your time or you're not in the best shape, it just crossed you off the board. And it's just, you know, so that's cool, you know, that's fine. That's just not how I.

That's kind of how life works. You know that, right? If you don't do the job, they're going to hire somebody else to do it. Sure, unless you to hire. Yeah. Unless you're the boss. So you like, you want to be the boss? Yeah.

That's why I play quarterback. I'm calling the shot. See, see? So I had it in me. But, no, but originally, I was supposed to red shirt my freshman year. Right. Because I was skinny, you know. Right.

I wanted to get my size right, my mind right. They already had a red shirt senior. He was 26, 25 years old. Damn. I'm 18. I'm obviously not going to start over him. Right. Cool.

I'm perfectly fine with that. Yeah. I'm showing, I'm dressing out on the sideline. I'm not playing. He goes down one game. Uh-oh. And they just, yeah, I was the next best. They had a second string who came from a junior college.

He was a junior. But I was just nice, man. Honestly, it was... Oh, you was nice? Yeah, like in practice, you know, we're throwing it in the buckets. I'm hitting the buckets. Oh, you're dropping in the bucket? I'm dropping, man.

That's why they threw me out there. You know, I know it probably... I probably couldn't see at the time that they were just probably... They saw something you didn't see in yourself. Testing me out, you know, type thing. But... So, boom, they put me in the game versus West Georgia. I did decent.

You know, I was a true freshman. You know, I threw two touchdowns, probably 170 yards. Dang. I went, like, 13 for 21. Next week, I'm out. When the guy came, hold on. He came back. Yeah.

Oh, you thought you were going to get the job? You thought you were going to get the job? You were a substitute. The substitute teacher don't get to keep the job for the whole year. Not if we already agreed that I'm a red shirt. But that didn't mess up your red shirt, did it? Yeah. Oh, because you played more of the snaps.

Yeah, I played the whole game on TV. Mm. So they just... So they basically messed up your red shirt. Yeah. And now you said, well, if you messed up my red shirt, at least let me go ahead and finish it out. I wasn't even second string. So they moved, so you was third string.

The start against hurt. They put, they say, hey, go in. You go in. 13 to 21, 172 touchdowns. The next week, he comes back. You back to third string. Made no fucking sense to me. Now it just was like, okay.

Had they left you in, you think you would stay? Yeah, hell yeah Of course I wouldn't have left plan I wasn't even second string Ro So okay So now they put him back in there

And put you the second string That's even better Okay It was the mere fact that you started They put you in over the second string guy But when the guy gets back healthy You go back to third string You thought you had showed enough to it

If I'm not going to start I should at least be second string at least although the agreement was never for me to play this year because I wanted to I want to go to the NFL you want to get a little on sides yeah four years of me playing every game yes that's the only way you're going to make it yeah I don't want to rely on my junior year senior year season to get to the league plus I'm already D2 so I need to get some film yeah can get you know I know the game yeah I was D2 I went to HBCU we used to play we used to play

Fayetteville State oh yeah which one you went to I went to Savannah State. Oh, shit. We used to read the brakes off here on two. Yeah, then they wasn't even that good, you know. They wasn't like a top tier D2 team. So I was like, man, I'm trying to get in here. Right.

Get a season or two in, man, go D1A or D1, you know? Right. Did you get homesick? Because, like I said, Vanville, North Carolina, military, and there's not a whole lot going on. Yeah, no, I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie.

Yeah, okay. I wasn't, okay, you know, for a quarterback, it was a little, you know, slacky, little bit. Yeah, I wasn't as the best leader, you know. As far as the time zone, this is what happened. It was a time zone. It was three hours ahead. Three hours, yeah. So in the beginning, I was showing up late, you know, to the quarterback meetings, to the practice. Now, see, that's the part that you conveniently left out while your ass was Thursday. But I'm already redshirted. Just because you redshirted, that doesn't mean you don't, you get to come

on your own time. But I was, I was, I can't adjust to the time difference. What you mean you couldn't. I went straight from California to North Carolina to 4.45 practice a.m. I'm not going to sleep until then at 3 in the morning because I'm thinking it's 12 or I'm not going to sleep to 2 in the morning because it feels like it's 11. I mean you're young back then your body just real quick. Not in days. This is I went straight from high school to college. Yeah, I mean you set an alarm. I tried. I tried all of that. So basically, boom, you lay one time. You got to run on a day you guys don't have practice. You lay two times. You lay two times. Your position group has to run.

Your position group has to run. Yeah. You laid three times. The whole offense got a run. You late four times. The defense got a run. You lay five times. The whole team is out there.

Well, they put a full metal jacket on you like they did pile. They beat your ass. Oh, tell me why I got the whole team out there, and I'm late to the damn room. Oh, hello. They were so disappointed in me. I was disappointed myself that day, just because I'm like. Yeah, we had to be, yeah, we'd had to do something bad. Everybody on the field.

They're running. I'm running up late like I'm sorry y'all I try to make it they like man you know they couldn't even yell at me at this point they was just man like man when you did go sleep yeah this you'll tell your ass up bang on your life yeah this was in the beginning though it's like before the season start it's like you know yeah spring ball like when we not spring but like you know yeah yeah we scrimmaging type of so training camp I adjusted as fast as I could so when the season started I was more on time and more which is why they probably threw me in you know it wasn't just what was it like getting him for you go to class

I wouldn't even go into class Shannon oh but so how long how long that's another reason I left too yes okay yeah not that's just started adding up yeah yeah because I don't know how you thought you go stay in school man if they see this report card Shannon they're gonna think I'm a dumb ass I just need to go in here and go home they had to burp my ear bro but you had to grade you get into school you're not a Yeah, no, it's just college. You just don't apply yourself. No, it's just college.

They don't care about you, bro. They're not going to tell you there's no attendance list. If you don't show up. No, they get your own scholarship. They're going to get paid regardless. Yeah, they don't give a f***. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

I'm a freshman. But that's how you show don't give a f***. But that's how you showed the football team. I'm living on campus, you know. So I really came for football. I wasn't the smartest kid. I literally had a 2.8, I just made the criteria. 2.8, 1400.

SAT all right you can you barely made it like you know what that's a good that's a good 40 that's what I'm saying that's the only reason I made it with actually it was probably like a 2.3 yeah like my GP8 and my SAT square was just like you're talking to SAT or the ACT SAT okay yeah I got like a 1340 bro you know back then the perfect score was 1600 yeah I know that's how I got it so yeah so you you more than bro you made like 600 you made like 700 800 more better than I did You do realize that, right? I cheated, though. Oh, Lord.

Blueface, you could have kept that one. You had to be, we were going so good. Just say, man, how you cheat on that city? I didn't let you think. You know, I cheated. How? I mean, they're like this. You cheated off somebody's paper?

Off just somebody's test? I know how to cheat, man. So basically, man, I look at what section he on, look at what section he on, what section she on? And you're going to that section? Yeah, because, you know, because, you know, 2.3 and 1340 don't go, they don't coincide. Exactly. So they got the boards up and everything.

I'm a cold cheater though. I cheat my whole life all through high school, you know, soon as I ain't doing the homework. As soon as I get to school, hey, let me see your homework. Oh, yeah. So how do you think you were going to make any football? Who are you going to cheat on in football? I wasn't. Well, football I had a little passion for, you know, so I didn't.

mind, you know, studying and getting the plays and watching film and stuff. I like watching myself, you know. Right. But as far as the school part, I was in my alley. You do realize, like, when you watch film, most of it is watching other team's defense. It's not you. You're watching yourself. Yeah, that's true, too.

But, you know, in the meetings, it's more like a practice. Yeah. They watch a lot of practice. Yeah, you watch your practice, what you did and your steps, make sure you was right, where you should have gone with the ball, take the down flat or take the, you know, outball, come back. The team footage is only when the season starts. and we're facing that opponent. Right.

But the majority of the time, you know, they watch and practice all day. You had a good arm, how far? You throw it by about 60, 70? Yeah, that was my thing. I had a good deep ball. Deep ball? Yeah, that was like, that was like what got.

I mean, if I had to compare you to somebody, what, you know, you're Patrick Holmes, you, you, Josh Allen, you Lamar Jackson, who are you a combination of? No, I wasn't that fast. Well, I was fast in high school. When I got to college, I wasn't that fast. How did you slow down that quick?

They got faster. So you were fast, they were just faster. The DeLyman, you know, they like your size, but they running as fast as me. Yeah. You know, in high school, they weren't running as fast as me. They was a little slower. So they catch him. I'm like, damn, I thought I was fast.

Right. This nigga got me, you know? So, yeah, I wasn't as fast as I thought. I was more like a, um, probably like a Derek Henry, you know, more like I'm looking to throw. How old are you, Derek Henry, run it back? Derek Henry don't throw no passers? No, not Derek Henry. I'm not for the Eagles.

Oh, Jailahert? Jailen hurts. Oh, you're more like a Jaylor Hurts, huh? Yeah, I'm more like pass first, like. Oh! Run is like, I can do it, but I'm going to be looking around, and then all right, I'm going to run. Oh. Yeah.

Were you heartbroken that football ended? Yeah, I was, because I came back and I tried to do junior college. When you go to Samo? Try to go to Juko. No, I tried Valley Pierce. Okay. And C-O-C. Okay.

And it's even more political there. Like, you know, it's hard to start in those two years when they got people that's coming down from D1 schools. Yes. They got people that's coming from boarding schools. You know, right there, it's a little bit more like, it's worse than college. Like, because you got to be more hungry. In college, it's like, all right, they feed you a little. Right.

And Juko, they ain't feed you shit. Oh, no, Juko is a step below. Yeah, you got to go get it. Yeah, for sure. So I was trying to go get it, but, you know, then I had a real life. But you were going to the place that you could have got it, but you didn't want it there. And then when you realized that you had to go get it, yeah, it was a revolving door, you know. If I could do it different, I would, you know, I would have stayed a little bit longer.

But that's ultimately it would push me to the streets because then it was like, I don't got nothing else going. I'm just going to be the best street dude. So you drop out of college. Did you tell your mom, you tell your dad that you're dropping out or you just can't? back home? Yeah, I told them, you know, they tried to convince me to stay. But I was already- Your mind was already made up that you're coming back home.

Yeah, once they put me back on the bench, yeah, I was going home. But you finished out that season? No. Hold on, when they put you back on the bench, you quit then? I'm out of here. I was like, I'm like Antonio Brown out there. You, peace, Dubai? Bob.

Hold on, you done made us run. made us run. You don't make the office run. You don't make the defense run. And you mean to tell me, we're not even done with the season and you pieced us out? Yeah. This should have brought you back. Yeah, I even tried to go back. But I think the coaches got fired that season because it didn't go that well. So the new staff was probably how they own. So you came back home, you lived with your mom, you lived with your dad? My mom had already moved with her husband to Ohio. and my dad was um living i think in orange county so i was just thugging by myself so where'd you live wherever i could live wherever i could sleep so you a you find a homeboy couch or you find

you know car abandoned apartments car baby mama's house damn yeah that was cool though that's what made me like more like life okay no time to grow up get a job you know fayette stay had some nice dorms I was central heating and cooling free food arcades yep yep yeah trust me I regretted it once I'm gonna lie once I got back I'm like damn I ain't even missing shit shit I should the state did you have a plan what you got so you drop out of school what was your plan once you got back to LA what were you gonna do when you gonna get a job so you know the team was asking me bro what he gonna do like you know they know I'm leaving yeah coaches trying to get them to get me to study

I'm like, no, man, I'm out of here. You know, what are you going to do? I was telling him some dub-ass shit. I'm like, man, I'm going to go work at ladies foot locker. Crack all the b-oh, oh, Lord. You ain't tried to sell no shoes. You just tried to crack. Yeah, you know, ladies' women's foot locker.

That sounds like a good job to me. Talk to ladies all day. What size you wear, baby, okay? Get your number. We're going to send you the shoes. And you're going to send them the shoes. Yeah, yeah. And then I was going to try Jucco.

So I was like, man, I'm going to go get a job. job and play juco right and i tried and then i crashed my car and then now all that shit went over so now you ain't got no car you ain't working that lady's footlocker and juco ain't happening yeah so now what so i start um well this one i start living at my grandma's for a second but she didn't want me to have no company now man you know them old man i'm paying 300 a month I don't care if you're paying $3,000 a month. You're not in the brain, no, no, grandma. You're not been to do that.

So exactly. So I'm like, damn, Grady, like, all right, I can't do this, you know. So I just, that's when I just start road running, you know, staying with the homies, stand in the hood, stand the couch or my car, balking a couple of bannies. But I don't even know why you would even want to have a lady laying up in your house with your grandma right in the room down the hall. I'm renting the room.

And I have- That's your grandma. So what? Grady, probably in there with. Oh, no, Granny ain't doing that, man, stop this. So, Granny can have a company, but I can have a company. Yes, that's, Grady, yes. But I'm paying. Me and my brother bought my grandma a house.

We didn't even come in after midnight. We, I've never had a woman at the house. That's crazy. No, that's, I think that's a sign of respect. No, not when you're adults. It's respect for her to respect you as an adult. If you're married, they ain't going to have. You're not been to shack.

But they've been shocking. How can you try to, like, I've been knowing Granny a long time, Shannon. You can't do that. You can't do that. So she's living a double life. She's telling you what you can't do when she's doing it. Can't do that, Shannon. This don't work.

Oh, my goodness, man. Okay, you lay in with the hall. You, so you bunking with the home is you get a job? Yeah, I got the job at a, so I didn't get the lady's footlocker job. No surprise there. I didn't get the job. Okay. But I got hired the Office Depot.

Okay. Pretty cool. How many desks and chairs do you give away? So I was more like unboxing. Okay. You know, they bring the little shipments in, box them up, put them on the shelf and stuff. I work behind the register a little bit, you know. I wasn't the best employee, man.

I ain't going to lie to you, bro. So what I would do is, Somebody will buy something. I know, I know what you did. Go here, don't you? I reprint the receipt. Still what they bought, go take it to the next office depot, return it, and get the cash.

So I was making like 300 a day doing that. So you always been about a hustle? Type shit, type shit. But one day they caught me, man. Oh, did you? They caught me, man. You know how life is, man. You don't get caught.

You keep doing, doing what you're doing, you know? Why do you have to do that every day? Why you couldn't do it like, You know what I'm going to do this thing once a week. $300. That's a lot of money back then. $300 a week. That's $1,200 a month.

That's a nice little come up. Yeah. You tried to make $300 a day? Yeah. You've been trying to make $1,500 a week. You're trying to make $6,000 a year. Yeah. Yeah, so one day they called me, man.

A lady left her damn card in the machine. It's crazy. I took it out. I walked out to give it to her. I seen a car she got in. I was like, you know what? You have a... I went straight to Target.

Got a $200 gift card. You know what I mean? She came back and told them. See, see, that's the convenient part you left out. See, you didn't get caught and do it reprinting the receipts. You got caught with credit card. Yeah.

That's credit card. Moving too fast, though. That's when you know. Yeah. I know how life works. I did a lot of stuff and I seen. You had a nice little, you see, you had a nice little giving. Got greedy.

Got greedy. I don't know. You're gonna tell me. So, obviously, they fired you. Yeah, fired me. You look at it, they didn't put no charges on you. I know. They didn't have enough.

They had enough. You had the credit card? Uh-uh, because I ran out. So it looked it. It looked good, shot it. I took the card out, ran out to the lady, you feel me? Right. She jumped in the car, drove off, and I was just like, oh, shit.

But when you got the gift card from Target? Yeah, I think that's how I got caught. Yeah, it is how you got called. So they knew that could have put charges on you. That's credit card there. I guess. Not enough. So you got off with dad, so they said, okay, you're fine, you can't, don't work here anymore?

Yep. Not fine. So what's your next move? What's your next play? So at this time, I was standing at my baby mama's house. Okay. And she was a leasing agent. So she hooked me up, got me a little Porter job, which is funny because my life's name is Porter.

Okay. So now I'm working full time. Okay. 40 hours a week. You know, nine to five. Yeah, got a nice little hustle. See, a nice little honest hustle. I ain't hurt nobody.

Yeah, yeah. But there's a butt coming, I feel. I told you, I wasn't the best worker, you know? I cheated in high school. I cheated Office Depot, you know, cheating on my baby mama. Right. So basically what I would do is I just,

when people move out, I go in there, take all the trash out and repaint. Woo-woo, who, or clean maintenance, you know. Yeah, yeah. Cleaning, though, like a janitor, though. Not really the maintenance, right so you feel me shan it's early man i gotta be to work at eight man i gotta be up at seven okay yeah i'm in there sleep on the walkie-talkie man

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I'm supposed to be painting and throwing trash away, you know. I'm on the floor. Sleep on the walkie talk. Hey, Porter, yeah, I'm in here. you know so it started taking me a little too long yeah so what should take you you know a couple of hours yeah it's taking you two days three days you know so they're like oh man you know you're taking too long so they let you go with that no they didn't let me go i was cool then they switch managers so now i got a new person that i can impress right and one day was um somebody had

like took a shit on the floor like in the gym yeah damn and i was already kind of Not really vibed with the new dude, so he told me to clean it up. I'm like, man, I ain't not cleaning that up, fool. And that's how I got fired. Okay. Two-week me right there. I guess, you know. Actually, I feel like I put a two-week notice in, or they gave me a two-week notice,

and then they told me to clean up the shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think they probably put that two-week in on you. Yeah, I think they fired me first. Yeah, yeah. And you thought I was going to work two weeks and clean up some shit. I'm like, man. Okay.

You got to be f*** up. Okay, that's the second job that you had since you been at home. Okay, that one ends. Okay, now what? That's it. I started selling weed and crack after that. Damn. Yeah.

That's when I started going to jail. Went to jail for the first time. For selling weed? Yeah. Not even selling it. I just got pulled over with too much weed. This was when it was illegal at the time. Right.

I had a jar of weed, probably like, probably about the size of the bottle. Right. How do they see it? So where, you were smoking? No, I was in the trunk, but I had a janky-ass car at the time. Yeah. So they was already like, you know, get out the car, you know, searching the car and shit.

And I was being an asshole at the time. This was my first running with the law, so I wasn't even too hip to like, you know, they might fuck with you if you don't be a dick to him. Right. So I'm telling them to take you to jail. And you know you got, you know you ride dirty. Exactly. His ass took me straight to jail, too.

I'll never do that again. Yeah, probably that. I'm like, you're going to take me to jail? Come on, let's go. They're like, all right, come on. Yeah. So now they empowered your car. They got reasons to search it now.

Yeah, now I'm in jail. I'm feeling dumb as hell. Like, what the f***? I just told this nigga to take me the drill. Did they find the weed? Yeah, yeah. That's why he took me to jail. So he searched the car, but it was in the trunk.

Yeah. So once I started popping it, like, man, you start checking horror, you know? Now he's in the trunk. Oh, yeah. All right. Here we go. Yeah. How much time you get for that?

That was your first time. I got on OR, so, you know, I still didn't learn no lesson because they let me out for free. Just call somebody, hey, it's my first time, you know, they got this charge. Okay, we're going to R you. Just go to court. Boom, right? OR means only recognitive. Yep.

Boom. I'm thinking it's a game. I do some dumbass shit again, bro. What you do? I got the weed in the car, but this time I'm on a freeway, bro. With that same janky-ass car? Same janky car, man. but it's construction

the police is driving next my dumb ass drive right past them like fast type shit they pull my dumb ass over and take me the jail again and you got more weed in the car and I got through yeah that's why they took me jail so I drive past fast thinking I'm

you didn't see the police right next to I did but I'm thinking what you're thinking? I don't know man I was thinking I was a white lady or something man I thought I was white I didn't know I ain't know I ain't know I was black yet, Shannon. Told you, this is my first time, you know, interacting with the police.

You know, usually I'm playing football. I'm not the way. Right. With a female or with the homie or something. Man, I try to OR this time. They, like, shouldn't have did it. They hang up on my face. That's when I'm like, oh, you're weird, what the fuck?

Right. That's when they kind of hit a little different, you know. They didn't OR me this time. Yeah. Because you had a... And they got smart with me, too. I was like oh damn so I had to sit there a little bit this time because you had a court appointed exactly so then I went to court

and then that's when I seen it was real like because you know when you got the court appointed you go to court with everybody else they got court appointed and we which is damn to everybody up in there yeah we piggyback and oh what they say man you're going to the county or are you getting out of the OR? No I got a whole oral last time they got yeah but my My quarter point got me out, you know, probation. Right. So I'm watching everybody else.

They come back crying. Oh, I got to go to the Geraldia. I'm like, fuck, bro, shit. I'm about to leave. Yeah, so that's when I was out. Yeah, it's a little bit serious, man. They ain't going to just let me out. So then I start, you know, just moving a little bit smarter.

You know, yeah. That was my first experience with Jodo. So what made you decide to say, you know what? Damn this. I ain't selling no more this issue. You know, I might smoke a little bit of it. weed, but I ain't... No, I kept selling it.

I just stopped delivering. So you had... Oh, your head hard. Your head hard. Oh, man. I'm head strong, man. You feel you? Your head ain't harder than prithing doors.

No, I don't know. You see? Not at all. You know, if you keep doing this poor, it's... I know. I learned my lesson, Shannon. You learned your lesson. I've seen it.

It's real. It's hot. It's hot in there. I'm good. You and Mike Amos had a back and forth while people being celebrated once they come home. Mike did a little time. Well, he didn't go, due to the time,

I think he had that scared, straight situation. When do you think people should be celebrated? I mean, you had a housewoman party when you got out. Yeah, no, I think, yeah, I think definitely, I think. No, I'd throw you one when you got out from college. When you graduated from college, that's when I had to throw it. Right, right. No, I think anybody that's living their truth should be celebrated, you know?

Anybody that's doing it the right way, so it doesn't even got to be jail. Coming home from prison means you didn't do it the right way. But you're coming home from an environment that you're not going to appreciate life if they don't appreciate you coming home. You know what I mean? So it's more of a celebration thing, you know? Especially in the hood, that's like a regular thing. Everybody, we've seen boys in the hood.

make movies about jail that's a part of the culture. You feel me? So you don't get to just you don't get to decide who we clap for. But let me ask you this. You say you got the tattoos

are for you. Why do you come at home mean something to somebody else instead of just you? Why do you need to be celebrating? Because it was just me and jail. Exactly. So why did you celebrate you?

Because why would I want to come home? You want to stay there? No, but I'm saying if it's all about me, what's the difference from being in jail and being free. I didn't celebrate you going in. No, but I'm sorry.

I mean, let's just say for the sake of argument, you go into college. That's a celebration. I'm going to call everybody, man, you know, junior going to college? Yeah, let's have a party. For what? That's all about me, right? You can't say it. It's an accomplishment.

But you can't use it. Going to jail and coming home. That's not. That's definitely an accomplishment. But you do realize Blueface, you're not supposed to be there. Correct. But anytime you go through hardship and you make it out, it's an accomplishment. Okay.

You don't get to the same. which which one is more credible or valuable okay like I said life is it's the numbers game right now it's about understanding it's not about how many celebrations do I throw you because when you got one you only get one no but when you got out of OR I celebrate no no nobody celebrated me for none of that because I didn't do no time you know okay when somebody does time okay and they they do it the right way okay they walk it and like how they talking it okay you celebrate them because that's how they ultimately want to stay free that was what make them you

So you coming home this time and having the celebration, your family, friends, and loved ones there to celebrate you, that made you not want to go back. Exactly. You know, of course, not wanting to go back is already a thing, but all of you not wanting me to go back? Yes. Makes it even more, I would say. Okay. That's all. Okay.

It's a number's game, you know? And not even to keep it about jail. You know, we can go other topics with anybody. Like, I just like to use the LGBT community because they've come such a long way. Okay. We don't got to get with it, but we have to respect their numbers. No problem with it. So we don't get to say that, oh, they shouldn't be celebrated because they should.

They got their numbers up. Yeah. They live in the truth. Yes. If they're guiding people down that way, the right way. Right. Why not? Because too many people are doing it the wrong way.

Right. Tricking us, making us believe that it's, you know, it's like a striver telling you to go work at the club because she's making $10,000. every night right knowing damn well she's not she's not now making that kind of bread and she just influenced you and now you think that was a lot right which or I'd rather have a stripper tell you hey girl you know you might only make 250 every night that's what I make that's this XYZ how I get by and how I adjust and deal with it she should be applauded right at least telling you the right way if you want to choose to indulge yeah we'll be straight up with it

That's all. Why did you go to prison? Getting away with too many crimes. Too many probation, too many cases pending. You know, there's always one specific thing that tips the skill, which was I was on probation. And my baby mama had a show in Utah, so I didn't tell my PO because I knew he wasn't going to let me go. I tried to sneak out there, you know. you know you just bud you don't want to do right for is do you got caught on TMZ you know he showed up the

court my next my next court date and he just pressed like look on top of this this that and that he did this right here this is what we want and the judge just had to grant it so what happened by the car did the car that you was riding in when somebody made fun of the car oh the little the shooting yeah in Vegas yeah um To be honest, I didn't know anything about the jokes or anything prior. All I know is when he pulled up and tires were screeching and the window was down and he was yelling. That was the only part that I got of the situation and why I reacted the way I reacted. I felt like my life was in danger, you know?

Somebody pulled up. You know, it's just I've been there before. So I just did what I've known to do in that moment. Was there a better way? You felt that your life was going to be in danger. Do you feel that there's a better way that we and us, as black men can handle situations, that it doesn't always have to be life or death.

It doesn't have to always be me versus you. Definitely, definitely. I think a conversation is the best way or boxing gloves. You know, if the conversation doesn't get as progressive as a shit. You try to glove up. So in other words, now if you have a disagreement with somebody, you want to glove up. Yeah.

If we can't talk it, Right. Yeah, if we got to see whose dick is longer, let's do it. You know, you know how, you know how niggas are, man. You know, some people just want to see how far they can piss next to you. But sometimes you've got to outpiss them. Can't talk them, you can't, you feel me, you can't talk them down. Hey, you can't, look, bro.

I ain't really trying to go to this, right, Rob, but, hey. Come on. It seems like we're here now. Yeah. I read when you said prison gave you a break from responsibility. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I did. So what, you ain't got to pay no rent, you ain't got no car note, you ain't got no utilities, everything is taken care of?

Yeah, and there, you know, physically. You know, outside, I'm still paying my own bills, but I'm not worried about it all day or chasing after a check to do it, you know. I'd rather worry about responsibility to eat a slice of bread and a banana. Me too. And that chicken patty. That's your meat, that's your beef, faith. too but I'm you know I don't know how to I just I don't know sometimes I just keep it too honest you know to them so I'd much rather have responsibility but being in

jail is a break from it do you feel sometimes you be overwhelmed that life overwhelmed you hmm no I've been living this way for a long time so you're not tired of living this way no I'd had a nice rest in jail I'm wide awake But you do realize that you have kids and you have people that are depending on you, that are counting on you, and you can't be in and out of that situation. No, not the jail situation, but the life I live is ultimately how I'll provide for my kids. So I never get tired of provider, but I definitely watch my step. Right.

I ain't going back for no female, for no, as soon as you even start talking like that, you have a nice day, baby girl. I will never see you again. You mentioned earlier that there are classes that you can take in prison. Did you take any classes? Yep. It's like a compassion prison project. What kind of?

Compassion prison. Okay, okay. What is that involved? It's like, teach you all to have compassion in prison, you know, more victim awareness, you know? More self-help. Like, you could apologize to your victim, would you? You could talk to their family, it's like stuff. You know, just opens you up a little bit more to, um,

To the other side of the gun, you know. Which was dope. I took a theater class, which is like improv though, like no talking. We're just walking around doing this, you know? Right. Type thing. That was pretty cool. What else did I take? I took a computer class, typing class.

You go with computers? Nah, I was pretty terrible. But I was doing whatever to get out the cell, you know? Right. these classes. So all these classes kept you out of the sale? Classes obligate this door to open. Without it, my shit was never open. I'm like

man, how are you out? Walking around, you know, because every, like, it's like a college campus. Right. So some people working, they got their work sweater on and backpacks and they out roaming around. And you just in the cell window watching like, how are you out every day? And you're like, I want some of that. I need to get in that class

then, you know, put me in there. And then, you know, that's how I start moving around. But you weren't good. Have you gotten better at? Yeah, at typing, yeah. Yeah. I learned a little bit in there. It was actually more like drawing up, like insurance papers and it just showed you

like how to do more like docu-sign type stuff. Right. Necessarily type of. You're on a restaurant now, right? Yep. Seafood. Yes, sir. King of Crabb.

Yeah. What made you get into hospitality? What made you have to decide to open up a business? A reputable, a real business. Could not be a street farmer. Right, right. Now, so at this time I was kind of falling off my little music shit. I had a few dollars. I'm like, damn, what should I do with these dollars? So I started looking into franchising stuff, and that stuff is hard, man. They want your damn kindergarten report card, you know? So I'm like, I ain't got all that, you know? Right. Start looking into weed shops.

All right. They want too much. Got to buy 100 pounds and the store and this farm is. Yeah. That ain't make money too fast. So I walked into this fish place. You know, I was actually buying a car from a place across the street. Somebody stole my car.

Damn! Somebody stole my car from the airport. So I'm stuck at the airport. I'm like, man, I'm about to go get another car. Go to Mercedes, you know how it takes a minute to buy a car. Yeah. Man, I'm hungry, bro. I'm going to go to this fish spot right here.

Go in there, eat the food. Well, yeah, it's good. How much y'all want? Let me buy into this. Let me get a percent, you know. Hey, turn me down. Oh, no, man, we ain't doing that, you know. We got it going on.

They got their family business, whatever. All right, all right, bet. Well, just take my number, you know? Just in case. Just in case. Sure enough, they, brr-oh. We're tired. We ready to sell.

Boom, 80,000. Gave him 80,000 cash. Now I got a fish plot. Right. I don't got no recipe. Yeah. I don't got no menu. I don't got nothing.

Feel me? But I'm like, man, call my mom. Hey, mom, I just got this fish fighting. You to come down here and run this. Right. Boom. But the people that were cooking, they still stay there. The cooks and stuff still stay.

So they was like, the owners was working in their cooking. Oh, okay, okay. So they was tired. They were like, man, we want to sell. We about to go invest in this and that. Right. All right, here's the money. All right, mom, should, uh, I got this fish restaurant.

Come ready for me, you know. I don't know how to cook. Right. She had a couple of restaurants out in Ohio, so I'm thinking like, it's a perfect family. Mom, you know. I was paying her, her husband, and the rent. I'm like, oh, you know, the first couple months, okay. About six months later, I'm like, hey, no, don't.

Where the money going? How I'm paying you and the rent? Right. At least one of them should be covered. You should be paying yourself, and I pay the rent. Right. Or vice versa. She's taking out loans, credit cards, and the business name, you know?

Oh, my goodness. Without me knowing, approving. Right. So she just hit me with the debt. Like, oh, I owe this on the taxes of this and that. I owe nothing. You got to pay that. And so that kind of, then she got tired and kind of quit on me.

Right. So boom, she quit on me. So now I just got this place now, no, nothing. So. How did that make you feel? You got this investment spot. You're trying to do the right thing. Yeah.

And you're like, you know, Mom, I trust you and, you know, I know you can cook a little bit. So come down and he and help me run it. And you mentioned that you're paying the lease on the building. You're paying her salary. Ain't no money coming in. And now she's taking out loans and credit cards in the business name in which is you're responsible for. Yeah.

But we're making like $30,000 a month. Okay. Obviously not our profit. You know, a lot of that margin is going into daily upkeep. Yeah, you got a lot of food and stuff like that. Day row, food, service, and whatnot. So off the back, we probably making at least $5,000 to $10,000 just in profit, you know. Yeah, a nice little thing.

Hey, nice look, yeah. We're doing comedy nights. You know, we start selling drinks and all type of stuff. So it just stopped adding up after a while, you know? So boom, now I'm stuck with this place. I walk into another place, the King of Crafts. I only see this. So I'm an investor, man.

That's what I am. I think that's what I'm good at. I don't want to run it. I just want to see it. You just want to invest it. You want to plant the seed and then watch it grow. Exactly. So I walk into this place.

try they fool how much man how much to make this over here at this right here I already got the place right no I already got it all I need you to do is make it work you like um

I'm an Armenian dude named Eddie he's my boy now we business partners we got a I got a majority ownership 65 45 45 yeah no no not even that 55 45 45 45 and I had a damn the damn no bargain with him for that I'm like damn bro

You don't want to help re-innovate because I had to gut it Yeah, so it cost me 300,000 just to make my place approved for his place Mm-hmm right so it's money good going out look man I need 55 45 45 bro fuck that 50 50 Right that first is 50-50 you know when I walked in but you were putting all the money in so you got to have a little bit more thing Yeah, so boom once we agree to that That's uh I put the money up just while I'm in jail though you know I put the money up got it re-enovate it and oh that's how that's how it came about today just walked in tried the food so they still got that same food you're same recipe you're still excited so you

still sit down to eat and still get that same feeling yeah fire the real boss like you know or you can just go in a restaurant just make it yours yeah so you think that's what that's your most sound investment yeah because I think it's a the restaurant business is very um very bottle doing? Very hard. It is very hard. But it's more of a five-year thing, you know, than a two to three year. Yeah, for sure. So I like that about it. Right. You know, something that I can forget about, like, it's not making me money today or yesterday. I can forget about it, you know, it's keeping up with itself. In about five years, we'll, you know. You re-evaluated?

Maybe I want to sell, maybe I want a franchise. Exactly. But I have the option, you know. I have something there, a tree at least. Right. Are the, is the investment, is that your best purchase? Is that the best use of your money? Besides my houses and stuff, yeah. Probably, yeah. You got rental properties?

Or you just got property you live in? Yeah, I got properties I live in and then I sell. So it's like cool. I'm never like too stuck in one place. Right. And I'm not leasing or renting nothing. So it's just cool to have assets. to play with sometimes, you know?

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