Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Bow Wow Part 2

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

In Part 2, Bow Wow opens up about the other side of fame—the pressures of growing up in the public eye, his childhood crushes Tyra Banks and Hilary Banks, and how an internet joke turned into hosting 106 & Park. He talks about his time signed to Cash Money, working with Lil Wayne, Diddy, and collaborating with heavyweights like T.I., Chris Brown, and R. Kelly.He reflects on the moment Drake gave him his flowers, and lessons learned from having his relationships in the spotlight—from dating Jada Pinkett-Smith’s niece, Jade Pinkett, to performing “Like You” with his ex Ciara. Bow gets candid about giving Travis Hunter relationship advice, watching Nelly and Ashanti reunite, and hoping for Jermaine Dupri and Janet Jackson to get back together.The conversation gets real as Bow discusses his beef with Orlando Brown, his struggles with addiction and the journey to recovery, and the joy he’s found in fatherhood. He shares what it’s like to still have a loyal fanbase allowing him to tour, perform, and connect with fans on the Millennium Tour—including what really happened when a fan jumped on stage with Trey Songz.This is Bow Wow like you’ve never heard him—raw, reflective, and still undeniable.#volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. When you growing up, who was your celebrity crush? Tower Banks. Tower Banks.

Tower Banks was going to be, she was always your, she was what, 13 years old in you? She was going to be 30 years old. It didn't matter. No. Because my mom was married and my stepfather, he was Sports Illustrated fan. And she was like Miss Sports Illustrated. So when he had her calendar, I remember finding the calendar in the closet. And I was like, this is the first woman I saw.

I said, this is everything. And that was the first woman I laid my eyes and I was like I like her. And it was Tyra, it was Hillary Banks, I love some Hillary. And was that really it? That might have been it really. Yeah that was it really. Tyra and Hillary. 106 and Park, how did you get the gig of hosting 106 and Park? Got the gig hosting 106, me and my boy at the time, matter of fact not even, I was in Australia. I was in Australia and I saw that 106 was going through changes. Right. And they, oh we looking for a host, looking for a host, what?

So I got on the internet playing around. Why you looking for a host on Mr. 106's part? The host right here. Mm-hmm. I was playing and Stevie Hill called and said, yo, sorry what you put on the internet. You serious? Because it makes sense.

I'm ready. And I'm like, damn. Me and my boy Bart packed up, went to New York, and here I am, finally hosting the show that they named me at. That was dope, was a fun time in New York, fun time. I learned a lot, I learned a lot business-wise, I learned a lot in New York.

New York taught me a lot, I loved that time. Those two and a half years that I spent was well worth it. I would do it again. For your third album, you left So So and JD to do your third album. Why did you feel you needed to leave again. For your third album, you left So So and JD to do your third album. Correct. Why did you feel you needed to leave JD to do your third album? I never wanted to leave. I didn't. That was the moment where my heart got broke for the first time in music. Somebody who I consider a father

figure to me, somebody I love, something about the music, his family, his blood to me. Right. And he couldn't work with me because of contractual reasons. He ended up leaving Columbia. He went to Airsta. And me being a kid not knowing how the business works, I'm like, well, why wouldn't you take the biggest artists you have? It wasn't that he didn't want to take me. He couldn't. And that's when I realized, wow, contractually I never was signed to So So Def.

I was signed to Columbia. But this whole time I'm screaming So So Def in my record, So So Def this, I got it tatted on me, it's still So So Def for life. Don't need no contract on that, it's inked. But during that time I didn't understand, that's why he couldn't take me to Arista. It's like damn Val, you under contract. Technically I was your producer.

And because of what's going on with me and the label, it's gonna be hard for me to grab you again and work with you. So I'm watching Jermaine build social depth to a whole nother level now. He's having new artists, dah, dah, dah. It made me start being envious of him. I started not liking JD.

I started despising him. And I was just like, that ain't loyal. But I let people choose. You let people choose. It was business. And I didn't loyal. But I lived with a business. It was business. And I didn't understand. I took it personal. And you already know they always say never mix the two together. And that's why.

And once I got with TI, that's when TI came in my life. And he became like big bro. Came and put his arm around me, showed me how to write. He helped me out a lot tremendously from an artist's standpoint which, I needed that. Right. But you ended up, you returned to JD. LA. All-Star weekend. I called him. I said, enough's enough. Where you at? He's like, who this?

I'm like, you know who it is. Where you at? We gotta talk. He's like, I'm in Malibu. I'm cool. I'm about to pull up to you and Jenna House right now. Like, I already know. I'm on the PCH. I'm on the way. Pull up, go in the crib. First time I think Jermaine probably seen me cry, I cried to him. I said, I quit. He's like, what? I said, I quit. I don't want to do this no more. I don't want to do music. I quit. I think I'm about to just be an actor because if I can't work with you, then I don't want to do this no more. I don't want to do music I quit I think about it just be an actor because if I can't work with you that I don't want to do this no more and then I Said it don't feel right Like I want to work with you. I don't want to work with nobody else. It's cool. I went go so seven thousand records

something's missing and When you had it This is this is me talking to Jermaine. This new social deaf thing you kicking, weak. This ain't going nowhere. Like, why are you wasting time? And you got your guy right here. You gonna just leave me over there like that? He saw them tears, he said, alright Woke his ass up. Here come let me hold you number one. Here come like you with Sierra number one fresh as I'm in Boom short like mine Chris Brown number one boom that talk we had in that kitchen at their house at the time It ignited a fire in JD and my man came back with a vengeance. Then you look on the chart, Mariah number one,

Like U number two, Mariah three, Bow Wow four. Jermaine had the top five was all JD, me and Mariah. Four songs is me and Mariah, they his records. So just like how early on we were talking about how Jermaine know how to get to his artists, I know how to get to JD. I know exactly what to do, what to say, to bring it out my dog.

And it worked every time. Right. If I'm not mistaken, I think Ho ghost wrote for you. What are you on ghostwriting? Because a lot of people have different thoughts on ghostwriting. Yeah. I wish JD did write for me, so I can say that.

I wish he did. He never did, though. I wish he did. Right. That would be bragging rights. But what are you on this about? Ghostwriting to me, Honestly, it don't matter. I think the fans don't care I think once it's produced and it's out, right people gonna take it and make it how they make it But people people only feel a certain type of way ghostwriting for emcees, correct?

I'm saying I don't know it goes right for Beyonce all the time. Mariah dream. Yep Michael people go on it's nobody had a problem with it's only with MC's. Yeah, why I think because it's just a competitive nature I think that's just what the ground I think the forefathers of hip-hop they laid that down They there was no thing as a songwriter for a rapper, right? You come from the hood You telling your story who knows your story better than you? Why aren't you speaking it? Why aren't you jotting it down? You know what I mean?

So for me, I had to learn how to write. And a lot of rappers don't know how to write. They can rap their ass off, but they don't even know how to format it into a record. It's tough, the hook can be 12 bars. Some people don't even know how to count bars. They don't know how to count them. And it's the simplest thing in the world.

And I know for me, it bothered me because I come from that cloth, I come from that era, I come from hip-hop. And Jermaine, I didn't know if he didn't let me write because he didn't trust me, but I think I was too young and he knew exactly what I needed to say. Right. And as I watched him and T.I. write,

it made me a better writer, and it turned me into a beast with my own pen. So now I don't need nobody in the studio with me. Now I might call on some cats for like if I'm in a booth, I might say what y'all hearing? Like y'all hearing anything like what y'all hearing y'all what y'all feeling and they might say something. Okay, I'm going there with it then. I bet give me a guy. I'm ready. I'm locked. but I think everybody has a little help in the studio. Everybody has some studio. Absolutely You know sign with our cash money with little Wayne you Nikki Drake Birdman. How did that come about?

When I left Columbia Because of what I went through with them and with Jermaine and all of that and I felt like I really wasn't getting Because of what I went through with them and with Jermaine and all of that, and I felt like I really wasn't getting the attention from the label that I wanted. I called Stunna and I was like, yo, I'm a free agent. I'm like, I don't trust the majors. I'm comfortable being with people that I know and that I'm comfortable with. And if it's not Jermaine, if it ain't a Snoop, me and Stunna, we always had a cool relationship. And they was on fire and I'm like, yo, throw me in the fire, man.

Come grab me, bro. He said, for real, weezy, you for real, weezel, you heard me? You free? I said, I'm free as a bird, come get me. Came and got me, made it happen. And I was comfortable there. And I had a great time being there with Stunna and being over there at Cash Money. I learned a lot from him.

I learned a lot from Slim, his brother. Watching Wayne work, me and Wayne work, I think it's like so identical when it come in that studio. I would spend three days straight in there, no shower, no nothing, same clothes, getting to it. Go drop the record off the Wayne room. Wayne is one of the coldest, most reliable guys when you need a verse.

He's gonna do it right there on the spot and walk it right back over to your room. I loved my time at Cash Money. Had a chance to live in Miami, move to Miami. I always had to crib Miami for eight years, but that made me really relocate. So I left Atlanta and moved to my condo in Miami. That was, you already know, South Beach was a time. But I had a lot of fun.

And the energy that was coming into Miami around that time, that time LeBron just I went there then Broncos on top of that YMC and B We on fire So the city was just you wanted to soak up that energy and being in Miami at that time That's where the energy was but you never you didn't release an album. Nope. We released two records I released a record with Wayne cause sweat and I released another single with T-Pain But never had a chance to put out a full project, but we did two joints and I did some joints for Some other artists. Yeah, and then I did some records some other artists too. That was on your money Yep, and then you ended up signing did you sign with Danny for a while once you left there when I left there

Then sign with puff, but I, it was more of like a management type of thing. Okay. With his guys. It was, that's what it was more like. Cause that was around the time where I was learning from him and I just needed that, once again, somebody that I could trust, somebody I knew who knew the game and had my best interest. I was never going to sign with them.

Right. But the management side of things, I was going to let them rock with that. But we didn't ever really dive into it deeply. It was just really like a thing in the air, really. You got a new song, if I'm not mistaken, with Chris Brown called Use Me. Mm-hmm. How did you and Chris Brown, how did that collab come about? Brown, like did that collab come about? Brown like you playing, like you out here selling out arenas and you ain't got no, like what you doing? You gotta compete man, you competing.

Right. I'm like nah, I'm on my legacy right now, like I'm on my legacy thing and you know I'm doing what Kiss and Madonna done do, I ain't gotta drop nothing, I can just go. Right. Like yeah but you still you just still young, bro We all still look good like you got a drop. Yeah, I don't wear none of that You doubt yourself you scared and you need a friend like that to tell you you know I mean and and I told him I said I I Remember this conversation vividly and you know when you friends you can you can admit some to your friend

I said I need you straight up in order for me to get my blessing I feel like I ain't gonna get if I ain't being real with you. You my dog. You my dog I need you I'm coming to you as a friend saying I need you what you need, bro I need I need your blessing on the record My man said you get the record. I got you hit maker. Send me the song. I did it I said this is a no-brainer He says only one person you got to put on it you know it is and you know what you want to go through you have to go party you have to go play basketball sit on that house you have to be

around you all the graffiti you gotta stay over his house and don't leave you know your boy I'm like ah man that's like what happened but he was a man of his word we cut the record right there in the crib we did in the studio the same room you guys was in cut the record right there and did it with no problem and Man like I you know, I feel like that's that's what that's what a real homeboy supposed to be when you need something He was a lift me up gang like I'm cooking but I'm trying to get spicy hot bring me up and he did that Is it the relationship? You were a teen star. He was a teen star both

You kind of know what it's like to be teen stars You both lived in that world Yeah, is that kind of how the relationship and why the relationship is what it is? Yeah And because it's real and brown to tell you You know, he's always he's always saying it's so weird, but he's like man learn this from bow Everything else he me do I got this from bow and then y'all see me do, I got this from Bow. And da da da da, y'all don't understand. He was the first person to put it on me.

He showed me all this da da da da. And it's true, but I'm just, I'm humble. So I'll be like, I ain't got it. I say it all the time. Like, you ain't got to say it in front of everybody every time. Like, that's why I move like this, because Bow was first, y'all thought I was first.

It was Bow. I used to have 20 girls, walking around. That's why I, so it's like, it's not even a little brother, it's, you know, that's just my dog, that's my brother. He know I got his back, I know he got mine, and you know, it is a lot of similarities with us, like, you know, and yeah, that's my man, that's my dog.

How similar are Breezy and Usher? Cause both are, both can sing their ass off. Both are entertainers to the up-teeth. I mean, I saw Usher at the MGM. That show was fantastic. And I've seen Breezy. As far as artists, the difference or? You give me different similarities.

Similarities are hard workers, both dedicated. They don't cheat the job. They don't cheat the job at all, at all. Different. Chris Morval, rapper, Usher walks that R&B like he is R&B you know he's he's he's smooth even it's not an act you know I'm saying Brown that's my dog Brown Edgey he got he more bro more of a rapper right you know I'm saying he he live like one right if you could ask him he'll tell you I want to rap before I can sing right like that that's the

difference between them but all in all just two talented guys two goats and you know I would say you know it's like the one a and one a right of R&B it's them two at the top I don't think it's nobody else and you can pick whatever your your flavor is if it's usher if it it's brown, you know what I mean? But for me, I just feel like, you know, you know I'm wrong with the whole team. Give me your top five, give me your top five R&B singers of all time. Of all time. All time. They gotta be in order?

Nope. Kel's going up there. R. Kelly, show. Okay. Hands down. Hands down, Kel. R. Kelly number two again. Damn! Three, four, and five. Straight up. Damn, you got

Kale's one, two, three, four? If Jermaine was sitting in this couch he would tell you, he did a list and Bow said the same thing to me. I said, bro, if you don't put Robert, then Kelly, then Kels, then every nickname, one through five, man, that's it. Wow. That's it. I never heard nobody... Nah, like... I know I... Listen, there's a lot of greats. Luther. Marvin. So many Marvin.

I mean, there's so many, but I feel like Duel was... He's just such a R&B genius. He learned and took from every last one of the greats and Just molded it all in one like even though the oh I've realized where he got that from right? I'm like I Thought he invented that oh he got this from Bobby won't that's Bobby Womack thing. I'm like, okay Okay, he okay. It just, it's effortless. And I've seen it in person.

We worked on I'm a Flirt. I mean, this man really called me and said, about right now, I'm listening to this record and I'm trying to figure out exactly what I'm gonna do with it, what you hearing. Matter of fact, you ain't even gotta tell me what you hearing, I think I got it. I'm gonna call you back in five

minutes. Give me about 10. Hung up. Calls back. I'm here. And he's here. I'm like, what's I'm up? It's a boy. I'm like, what? It's a hit. Play that. I'm a flirt. Soon as I see you. I'm like this. Now, Ronnie, I was sitting at the board trying to come up with a hook. So I know, for about four hours. Yeah, and he just comes back with it. I'm a flirt.

So simple, so easy. Doesn't overwrite, doesn't over sing. If you listen to any of his records, they're very simple and they just it's just different man But he'd go I got him. I don't get it all the personal whatever. That's that we talking artistry, right? Studio that mic them vocals that pin ain't nobody touching kills Wow nobody Nobody I stand on that he it to me He'd he'd a MJ or army so you put you put put it you say the pin you put him up there with Quincy with Stevie his pin is crazy Quincy and Stevie about you know, you know our Kelly wrote for you know the records

He wrote do you know who Quincy of course you of course Frank of Mike? Yes Jamie by the way, he wrote for Mike too. Oh! Kells wrote for Mike. Yeah. You are not alone. Yes! Kells wrote that. Like, this is nothing, like, this, there's no limit to the pen. Like when there's no limit to your pen, bro, like, yeah, it made, I get mad, jealous sometimes

because I'm just like, I wish it came that easy I did just just Bam like just came that fast and the hook just comes that fast Yeah, he's great. How did you feel when Drake gave you a flower said if it wasn't for you, there would be no him Weird Weird. You know, because I'm a humble dude, like I'm, it's weird, like, I guess because I'm me and I did the work, and I'm not sure if you feel the same way, but when you're you and you're doing the work, you don't really have the time to sit and look at what everybody else sees you on the journey you're on the journey I don't I

don't want to see him sit on feet up and I can watch the whole movie over here right and yeah it was it was it was dope though it definitely was dope and even when he you know even when he called me you know there's so many people that Drake could have called for Atlanta to have him walk out but he actually DM'd me and was like bro I need that bow I walk out make sure you bring them durags with you too and I was like alright I got you and I remember telling my boys you know I forgot what was doing but we were in the house just sleep and I was like man Drizzy just hit me, man. Somebody wanted to walk him out.

And the boys jump up like, what? You gotta go get that homie, man. He could've called T.I. to a chain. He could've called, he hit you. Now we out now. Homies putting on clothes. They, the sisters laying out outfits. Pau, get your ass in the shower.

We gotta make it down to State Farm. And it was special, man. It was dope. It was dope to have somebody who people consider the number one guy in the game, and somebody who I consider a homeboy of mine. And for him to think of me and give me my roses, yeah, that meant a lot to me.

A lot to me. That's not his first time doing something like that, neither. I mean, the man that's thrown me birthday parties and I didn't ask for him, I had a birthday takeover in Houston. And this man just said, he switched the plans. He's like, oh yeah it is your birthday. I'm celebrating my one two three songs, one two three. I got some for you. You ain't going where you think you're going. I'm about to, I get there and I'm like how do you even get time? It's dog, my logo, the owl up. I'm like, how did he do this? Like, but he did

that for me and I appreciate him for that. Right. Bile, you've been in a lot of public relationships. What have you learned about dating publicly? Keep it off the internet. Don't do it. So no more public relationship for you? I try my best to keep it private.

I try my best. It's better that way. I just seen a post on Instagram that said it was a percentage of high percentage relationship that make it is because they keep their business off private line. Yeah. And I'm not gonna attest to that. I definitely agree because when you out in the public eye, it's just open. You know, it's just open. Everybody, a girl could DM your girl,

you know, it could be a girl that tried to talk to you and you said nah, she mad cuz you dissed her, now she wants to just direct message your girl, make up a story and just play a hit on your whole situation. I like when you don't know who my girl is, you can't call my girl, you can't contact my lady, and that's how I want it to be. Only I can contact my lady, and I just feel like I'm not looking for validation from nobody, and I feel like people that feel like, look, I get it, women want to be shown off, but we're talking about the strangers, like we don't even know.

Right, the people that know, know. The ones that don't, don't need to. Don't need to know, and if they say it's the public, they say it's the public, I'm not hiding it. I just learned my lesson from when I have been open, don't nothing good come from that. Everybody in your mix, everybody in your business, it's just too much, I can't even lean in and ask the bartender for a napkin they gonna think I'm whispering what's your number like I don't I don't need none of that

I'm cool I like it how it is so one of your biggest songs with your ex how do how do you feel performing that song today oh no kind of way you know this number one smash I love performing like you love it I love it it's that's my go-to like if I want to set it off, I'm going to like you for sure. Right. Love it. Love that record. The fans singing it word for word every time. That's my joint. What about like while and out, would they be making jokes about you dating somebody

and then somebody as famous as you dating that same person? Yeah. Do you feel some type of way when famous people date your exes? No. I'm a player. I'm grown, I don't got time for that. Like once she's no longer mine, she's not mine. She do what you do. Be happy, cause I'm gonna be happy.

And I'm gonna be just fine. Are you cool with all your exes or any of your exes? Are you cool? Yeah, I'm cool be just fine. Are you cool with all your exes or any of your exes? Are you cool? Yeah, I'm cool. Most definitely. Cool with my daughter's mom for sure though. That's my dog, Joy. Shia's mom, that's my dog.

I'd do anything for her. That's like great mother, great friend, ride or die, utmost respect. Uptmost respect. But yeah, I'm in par with none of my exes. It's all good. It's all love. I'm happy for all of them. Some have moved on, had kids, married.

I'm happy for them. Like, genuinely, genuinely happy for them. Wow, you were out there for a minute though. You were like that bad too. I was. You're bad. Really? Yeah.

You think I was? Yeah. Good times, good times they go, oh you nothing. I mean, I mean, see, Joe, you dated Kim for a hot sec, Angela Simmons for a sec. It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddy Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dose Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former That 70s Show castmate Topher Grace stops by the Speakeasy for a two-part interview to discuss his career and reminisce about old times.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Boy, you like that, man. Them the famous ones we know about. You learn from your mistakes. You keep out of the hush, now. I'm about to pour some more of this shit. No, I've had a blessed life, man. I've calmed down, though. I would want to think that I have. But yeah, man, like I said, God put some beautiful people in my life, and I've had a chance to come across some beautiful women. Those times were times.

And like I said, I'm still a supporter for all my exes. I'm really, truly happy for them, for them to move on and watch them live out their dreams and things that they always wanted to do. And it could have been the things that I couldn't offer at that time. You know what I mean? And I'm genuinely happy for everybody because it seems like everybody's happy. Everybody wanted it today. But you went public.

Aren't you dating Jada Pinkett's niece? damn? I just knew you didn't know about this I was You went public but you posted it You good You posted I would have known that you not posted it That's all the city wait I'm trying to keep it low-key. I'm trying to Now you can't you you can't post something, you keep it low key. I thought it was low key, I didn't tag her.

What made you feel comfortable in order to do that? What made me feel comfortable? I'm gonna say it before I don't wanna get cursed out when she watches this. But what made me feel comfortable was I'm grown. It's like, look, it was New Year's. I think that's the picture, New Year's. Yeah, it was drinking too, though. I was I wasn't now yet. You were drinking Yeah, no, I was on my way to my performance. So we didn't even crack a bottle yet, but it was

It was New Year's and I had to put myself in her shoes, right? Here's the woman is no years She just posted stuff. I don't want to make it an issue. She looked beautiful. I look good It's a moment. She feel that so she said I look good, right and um It was a moment and it was like bow and for me it was the whole essence of New Year's I'm like, you know what? I'm stepping out like you got caught up. I got caught up She put me on that that's Sophie the next thing, you know I said I ain't gonna pose it cuz you got a lot of followers right now my page always so people My page is for my fans and it's for work, right?

You know, I mean you want to see my girl go to her page, right? Birthdays you might see her holidays New Year's certain thing. You might see her five times six times a year on my page, right? But it was just one of the moments where I was like man, you know what? I understand. Let me put myself in a woman's shoes. She want to show off, show me off. She want to show it off. I'm gonna let her get this off.

I ain't tripping. It's all good. You once said that you're not gonna get married. Are you rethinking that now? It's getting hot in here. I'm going to great. We might go finish this off. Yeah, I'm going to go

It's still I don't I don't I don't know I know what I'm doing Okay, I'll put it this way cuz me and her we've had these talks and you know, she found an interview and saw me say it And You know, I told an interview and saw me say it. And you know, I told her like this, I'm not against anything, but when I get to that point, or if I ever do get to that point, I wanna make sure I'm right. And you know, that's not only a commitment to you, but a commitment to God, and I don't play with stuff like that.

So I don't wanna talk about it. I don't want to plan it Let's just roll baby. Let's just have fun. We have a good time now And if it get that's not rude, let's not ruin it talk about that if we get to that if it get there it get No, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's how fun we don't tour About to go to London. Yeah Let's just live young. I'm not talking about that you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let's stay right there You keep talking about that you agent be like you Yeah, yeah, I don't wanna I don't want to think Too far to be a baby. Did you see the new drapes that can't I'm not ready for that yet

I'm just let's let's hop on the jet and go to Terps and let's have some fun Let's just keep living and when we get there we get there But you know, I'm reading that you urge Nelly to man Ashanti. Damn I did. How you gonna tell somebody to do something you aint want to do? Moe 50 plus like it's like bro I'm like 38 I mean I'm not saying I'm a spring chicken 38 I'm 2 off 4 but still it ain't 40 but I'm like Moe like you're 50 plus. Bro. It's like, Yeah, what that say about me?

Nah, you good. Listen, OG, you in the game, you straight. You good. But I'm just like, you know, I saw him during the verses, he ran across the stage to get her. I know how much she means to him. Yeah. Nelly's another person who is family.

That's Jermaine's best friend. That is considered my big brother. He the only person that can pull up on me and he'll wanna fight me. He the only one. That's my guy. And I just know how much that woman means to him. And I've had chances to see Mo behind the scenes,

and I say Mo, that's Nelly, in ways that people haven't seen him. And I just know how much that woman means to him. And I mean, I saw my man with the band on, so he rocking that ring. He locked in. So I'm just so proud for him. Her too.

Ashanti is a Millennium Tour vet. She was a part of the brand as well. And I'm happy to see it. They have, that's the greatest, probably one of the greatest, Spend the Block, that's what they call it. Spend the Block. In history. In history, yeah. Well, you trying to see it. They have, that's the greatest, probably one of the greatest, Spend the Block, that's what they call it. Spend the Block. In history. In history, yeah.

Well you trying to do it again, cause you urging JD to get back with Janet. I do want that to happen. I do want that to happen. If he's gonna watch this, he's probably just gonna be like, damn, pal, can this, I do want that to happen.

You've been around, so what is, you know, you don't have to get too, but what is, I mean, you've been around her when, you know, you don't have to get too, but what is, I mean, you've been around her when, you know, obviously she's Janet Jackson, she's an icon, member of the famous Jackson family, but what are some things, I mean,

what is she like behind the scenes? She's just sweet as cool as person ever. It's like the best step mom you could have. Really, wow. What? Right. The best step mom you could have, so sweet, so, I mean, and could be in the midst of the guys then and it's whatever like I Remember watching miss Jan watch dishes like I was like I didn't even know the Four Seasons had a condo at the top

Oh, no, they don't just Is JD's in this? I'm like, I didn't even know this you got the presidential. Yeah, it's something else. Above that. Damn. I'm trying to tell you. I'm watching Ms. Jan wash dishes. I'm like, this is crazy. But she's so down to earth, so sweet, drives herself, going to pull up. If it's a taco spot, she's going to pull up, hop out,

walk in, grab the taco. We're going to hop back in the car and drive right back to it man. Miss Jam Man was everything so you know a woman, you know You know somebody special when y'all when you when the person the other person break up and you mad at you That's a homie. Right? That's how we all was with JD Damn at your homie. That's how we all was with JD. We like damn, not even that, it's like damn, get it back together please. It was just so beautiful bro and Jermaine was just such a piece and I mean I'm not even gonna lie, the Jets stay ready. We was on the PJ for the G4, G5 every day. Just stay stay ready make it man, but beautiful person

I really do hope I know Jermaine go kill me like wow you gotta keep praying I got a I got something for you You we've used the term spin the block a lot. Yeah, you weren't in a relationship. Who would you spend the block with? To go back. Yeah You don't spin the block me Nobody you would spend a lot. Uh-huh No You don't spin the block me. Nobody. You would spin the block? Uh-uh. Nope. Not on one person.

Honest to God. Because I feel like them chapters is closed. Like we did that. That was those. There's a reason why they left, you left, and we're not, we're cool. We're cool for sure. But we gonna stay cool over here, you cool over there.

Yup. I've never been the type to spin back, keep it forward, keep moving. Do you ever get concerned or have you ever been concerned that this person is dating me for who I am and for not the person that I am? Nope. I've never once felt that. Really? Wow.

Never in my life have I felt that. Because the ones that I chose to be my lady, I knew they wanted to be there, they loved me and I could tell. I could tell by the actions. That's how you know. I could tell. Like even my girl now, you know what I mean? I know she loves me because I'm difficult.

I'm not going to sit here and preach and act like I'm just this saint. I'm still working on myself. I'm still working. I'm a work in progress for the, show especially growing up in this business and Seeing what I've seen to live in the lifestyle that I live it is tough Especially dating what you would call a heartthrob, you know I mean, it's only so many guys in the game that have that thing to where no matter where you at the baddies is just There like it's times like even on tour like I'm like, I don't even need no pads. I ain't nobody no pads

I look they just there I'll go on the hallway, they're just there. It's like, it's just around and you can't escape it. It's just temptation, temptation, temptation, temptation. And it's just. So she traveled, so your girl now is on the road with you when you travel? She has. She has, but she's not all the time.

Not all the time. But when we got to Houston, we had to have a talk. I brought that up. I know how you feel about that ASAP. When we got to Houston, OG, I had to keep it real with her. I had to tell her, I'm like, baby, listen, I got two parties. Y'all do, I have two parties and I need you to meet me halfway. I'm going to bring you to the first one.

I'm going to get some drinks, have a good time, show you off. But the SUV gonna take you back to the Four Seasons. You and my auntie. Right. And I know it, I can see it on her face. She's like, I'm still outside, I wanna turn up with you, I wanna, I'm like, I know, but there's places,

there's a time and a place. I don't wanna take you to area 29. We gotta go, and me and Trey, so we gotta go together. I don't want my lady you to area 29. We got to go in and me and Trey. Yeah, so we got to go together Yeah, I don't want my lady in the spotlight. Yeah, it's gonna it's a losers anyway. I'm having too much fun in front of it That's me being disrespectful and you pretend like I ain't here Yeah, and then if I'm just here being a good boy and everybody around me like bow ain't being himself I ain't being bad left wifey at home. So it's lose-lose, but I had to tell her I'm baby I'll meet you halfway. We'll leave at 8 in the morning, but I need you

What'd she say? She say okay? Reluctantly, she said okay. She She didn't say no word but that by language was on my body language. Yeah, I can tell she ain't one leave She didn't mm-hmm. She wanted what that Houston? I'll be telling people it ain't Miami Atlanta's Atlanta but you still don't know my lord I thought I was gonna move here I was looking for a crib I swear to God you're my social media guy black and the gang laughing you was

looking to yes oh no yes don't do I. My manager was like this. After the show, we out. I said, what time? Well, we ain't get out by 3. What? 3 AM? After the after party, I'll meet you halfway in. Can we leave at 8 in the morning? The tour bus got to leave at 8 in the morning.

And we off the next day, please. Yeah. Houston. He gave me 8. That's all I needed. Yeah, I love Houston. Shout out to the H, man. I love Houston. Oh my H man I love Houston oh my god I love Houston too jeez Lil' Weez man we got a whole segment talking about Houston yeah we could I know what made

you Travis Hunter situation yeah you left something for him on what made you decide to like man Trav come over oh I just didn't like seeing a young brother get played or I just you know I'm saying I just felt like you know I know og around him problem I probably gave me yo um but I just felt like nobody around young cat was really giving it to him like I mean look thing about this you want a football team I know they was giving stuff in the locker room that's's what they going to do. You know what I'm saying?

But I just felt like, look, man, check this out. The way Snoop would give me game, I just feel like my brother. It was my calling just to reach out to you and just give you some game. You know what I'm saying? Just focus on the goal. Even to this day, like, my girl know.

I'll tell her, like, look, I know this might hurt you. But I got to do what I got to do. It's a goal. I got to reach that goal. It ain't gonna be pretty. But it's gonna be times where I might hurt you along the way, whether that be you can't come here, or there's a reason for this, or I got to do this or this, that it is just like that. And I just felt like I wanted bro, to focus on the goal. You about to make the biggest bag of your life. You been working on this. You know what I'm saying? You went to Jackson State.

Look how you came in. You did it in a different way. And now you finally here, Heisman Trophy. Man, check this out, gang. When you go pro and you get in that locker room and you see how them pros live, all that gonna change. I've been there. I was once the young cat, young, millions of dollars.

I know how it is. I came into the game the same way. I got my girlfriend, okay, I'm gonna be with her for the rest of my life. Then I know that it will be a hundred million girls liking me. It's the difference when you get that power that you start learning from your teammates,

you're rolling with them. It's something like the me and Jermaine story. They just laying it out for you. Laying it out for you. You go to the club now, kick back, you ain't gotta pay. We'll show you how we do this. And you start adapting to that. So I'm like, young brother,

it's gonna be time for all that. But get busy on that field. Go get your bag, secure your bag. Make sure the fam's straight. The women gonna be there. And you know, I just didn't really like how homegirl, just the little things that I was seeing. I just couldn't really rock with it all.

Like how she would talk. Did you feel you could've reached out to him in the DM or you could have had somebody I could have I could have it was ways. I could have but I Want him to hear me? Like I just felt like he was he just remind me of one of my little homies like I got so many little Bros that look up to me and they come to me for game about this that in the third and I just looked at Trabby like Brother not dissing you. I'm not coming at you,

I just want to wake you up. Because I had to be woke up a couple times. Especially these women, these women can blind you out here. You'll be so blind, just in love, and just milking your ass, milking you, milking you. And then when the milk dry up in his powder, they gone. So I just want him to be aware that I didn't know if nobody was really teaching him or telling him that.

So it was coming from a good place, it wasn't coming from nowhere, trying to be, and in all respect to his aware that I know if nobody was really teaching them or telling us it was coming from a good Place it wasn't coming from nowhere trying to be and you know in all respect to his lady You know, I mean if that's a situation that's a situation, but I like how you doing it now. He fell back Yeah, he see how I was Starting over shadow your game. You're cold. You're the cold as a dog. You're right. We all room for you I'm a fan, right? But I know how these women sometimes cuz sidetracked to go nah Keep that off the internet. Mm-hmm cuz that's starting to overshadow the skill, right?

You're doing a combine. They should be talking about what's going on out, right? Neo situation Very some new neo R&B and he has three or four of them now. Mm-hmm Is that a situation? I mean could could buy a father sir cuz he's like well From Ocho my partner on night cap. He says uh, if you just be upfront with him more time than not they'll be willing to Why ain't never met none of them? I say I just need to know where y'all where you going to meet in them that you could tell them say You know what? I might see Jane. I might see Sally. I might see Sue, but I say I don't know I ain't met none of them

I might see Sally, I might see Sue, but I say I ain't met none of them. And it definitely ain't gonna be no four. They out there though. They out there like that? There's some women that's out there that, if you be real with them and let them know, like yo, look, baby, this is how I'm living my life, this is how I'm thugging, this is, you know what I mean?

I want one ain't enough, I'm gonna just be open with you, if you with it, you with it, if not, I totally respect it. I'm not saying you gotta get down to get down, but I'm just letting you know I got two other girls. I got three girlfriends, you know what I'm saying? Damn! You like that, Bob? Hell no, I can't do it. I can't do it. I love women. Don't get it twisted. I love having my vibes. You come to my show, my dress rooms is beautiful women. There's an aviance. There's music. There's drinks. That's as far as I can go. Having three women or four girlfriends and they staying with me, I would lose my mind.

I'm too, I like my space. Listen, one woman in the house is enough. Hair be all over the place. Shit be, I can't deal with four heads. That's crazy. Different attitude, different mood swings. Yeah, this one feel like are you doing too much for this one? You gave her this. You bought her a Birkin. You took her to bed. I can't do it. I can't I can't maintain four

girls at the same time. I with Neil all salute to Neil Neil's different. Yeah, yeah, he got patience. I ain't with that. Yeah, I can't do it. K Neil yeah absolutely kids what's it like being a what what is what is what is about the father like fun big kid more of a kid than the kids shy get so mad at me you doing it again you're playing around she was at the Dallas show she moved to Dallas my daughter did and she comes to the dollar show her friends from school her new friends and you know I said, you know You know, you got a cool dad. Yeah, you know, I mean your friends they gonna love you. You won't go back to school I'm gonna turn y'all up. Y'all gonna get the pictures right trace songs. I'm gonna go back lit and

So they was doing some type of tick-tock thing and she wanted Jade to do it with her So, you know me I come in there one to mess around and it's no dad. No, you're embarrassing me. Stop I'm like, I right, cool then. I realize that a father with a teenage daughter, we are the ATM machine. Right. And that's it. That's it. It's the, hi dad, I love you so much.

I love you too. How much you? Yep, and here it comes. Dad, damn, I thought I was going to just say I love you, miss you text. I knew it was coming. Nope. Dad, can you send me a thousand? A thousand?

What teenage doing with a thousand now? It's a different time. Either that or I'm not good with giving money to the kids. But it's crazy. And I'm like shy. When I was 14, I wasn't getting $1,000. Tima wasn't, my mama wasn't giving me no $1,000.

$100 was $1,000 to me. I got a $100 bill, that was everything. She's like, no, but dad, you know, I understand. Okay, first of all, I live in LA. So you know everything here is expensive. Dad, it cost me $280 for my nails. I'm like, wait, what are you doing? Yes.

So you know what dad does? Be a dad. Baby girl, you need to go to CVS. And you need to do that yourself. You need to, you got it all the time. You should try to do them yourself and get creative and do that, and you'll save 280. That's 280. So that's 280 off that.

Then you know they want to go eat. It's not just her. It's four of them. It's five of them. They all pitching in. Or sometimes, like, are you, they know who you with. Are you fronting the whole thing? Are you? Yeah, because this is in. Or sometimes they're like, are you, they know who you is. Are you frontin' the whole thing?

Yeah, cause this is ridiculous. But it made sense for me to do that and I'm teaching her money management. She does so good. And she'll come two months and be like, dad, I still have 3.75 left from that thousand you gave me a month and a half ago or two months ago. I'm like, oh, that's good.

So I don't mind giving it to her and then plus I'm not on child support. So that's like my own child support for her. It's like, man, here go a thousand dollars a month for you. Just, and if your mama needs something, she can go to you and borrow it, whatever the case may be. Your mama get her own money, and mama do it too. She be like, yo daddy send you something? Apple pay me 300 dollars real quick. I'll pay you back back shy. So it's all good At one point time you tweeted tweeted about saying you don't want to be here anymore and the fan was up What what were you going through? What was that dark period of time in Biles life that he felt that you know, this was something that he wanted to project man

Just going through the growing pains, you know being in that dark Especially been in his business this business can get very very dark. Mm-hmm and you know, being in that dark, especially being in this business, this business can get very, very dark. And you know, you in front of the public eye, you deal with so much scrutiny, but not only that, you're dealing with self-doubt. It's really more of a self-think. Can I do it again? Do the people love me?

Am I losing my fans? Did this person come and put me out of business? Like, it's just, it's so many things that was just floating in my head. And it was to the point to where I felt like I accomplished and did everything so fast. Right. And, you know, I'm sitting like, I done lapped the world nine times. Got my first tattoo at 15. I ain't got to look forward to that.

Got into the strip club before I was 21. Can't look forward to that. I'm burnt out. I done did everything. I'm like, I just feel like I couldn't get no peace. And then the most selfish thing that you can do is think about something like that. Damn, I don't wanna be here no more.

And the reason at that time why I said that was because the only thing I was searching for was peace. I wanted a room and I wanna hear nothing. I just wanted peace. And I feel like the only time I can get peace is if I'm no longer here. That's how I was like the only time, you know, I can get peace is if I'm no longer here. That's how I was thinking during that time. Nothing made me happy. The music business wasn't making me happy. Relationships failed. And I was just completely over everything.

And then I had to snap out of it. How did you snap out of did you seek therapy? Did you talk to someone with a family friend loved one? How did you snap out of it God? God my mama my boys My boys help me out a lot really yeah, I always call them if I need them. I'll tell them I need y'all Come on, man. Let's take this trip to Houston. Oh That's what we do. I'm like, that's the therapy. My guys, the guys, you know, my

girl get mad now. You spend my time with them guys. The guy was better than me being with the girl. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. But my guys, my boys, mean everything to me. Like, I remember telling a girl this, a high profile celebrity, and I ain't gonna say her name

She said you love me I said, of course I do I love you But them guys my guys I Love them just as much because if this goes this shit Them guys gonna pick me up and they're gonna be here and they gonna get me back to where I gotta be My bros is that's that's that's why I had to talk to God and my dogs and my mom You know I mean and my manager so he play a big part in to a flag I can I can speak to him. I'm an open book So but I know my boys and being in my group chat my group chat is my therapy

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Listen to divine intervention on the I heart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts That's my therapy the group chat you buy you up It will be amazed at how the littlest things can help people. Just the littlest things, even if that's writing this down in the morning or starting a group chat with friends and you know, like we got a group chat, you know, and it's a famous person in there who is, what I'm looking for, is talking about a lot in the media, right? And when we put him in the group chat with us, he was like, y'all don't understand,

this is the greatest thing that happened to me. I get to come in here and just say what I want. Vent. Vent, get it off. I said, it feel like you're tweeting, don't it? Except it ain't public, but you getting it off. He said, it's amazing. So something as simple as that can change somebody's life.

You know what I mean? And you know, that's my therapy is my group chat, my friends, God and the close people around me. I don't need to talk to no stranger or confess to him. I know nobody know me better than me. My boys know me, people around me know me, and I'm not saying anything wrong with talking to a professional, but I tell you what, it's different when a company that's been knowing you for years is somebody who's getting paid to talk to you. I'm gonna tell you anything. Right.

You do realize that, you know, you said you couldn't find peace and you felt that that was the only way for you to find peace, although you would have found peace, do you realize the people that would have left behind would have had no peace? Oh my gosh, absolutely. While the pain that the person,

the individual might be feeling, they say, I just want to rid myself of this pain. But think about how much pain you would have caused. Selfish. Selfish. Selfish. That's why I said that when I was explaining selfish. It was very selfish. Very selfish. And yeah, I'm glad that that chapter's closed. That was a very, very dark point in my life. What's been the hardest part about growing up in the public side for the last 30 years? I think that the hardest part is not being able to live freely, everybody judging you, knowing that they're doing the same thing.

They're doing the same thing, it just ain't televised. That's the one thing I can't stand. What have I done that y'all ain't done? And a lot of things I'm doing y'all can't do because y'all are me. But if you could, you would. I like that. I like that. I like that.

But yeah, that's it, man. It's just, you know, it's tough, man. Like, I can't do nothing. Like, I just can't do nothing. Especially with the cell phones being out, man. It's just hard to's tough, man. Like, I can't do nothing. Like, I just can't do nothing, especially with the cell phones being out, man. It's just hard to live free, man. I can't stand it, man. I can't.

I come home and my girl show me a video. I'm like, who did that? I don't know somebody. I'm like, why are they filming me drinking orange juice? That's so weird. Like, why are y'all doing that? They do too much, huh? Doing too much.

So that's what we're much. Huh doing too much. So that's that's way too long Don't way too much Did you understand a social media now because anytime you post something if you post anything somebody got Detectives on this on social media. They're trying to like when you post about the private you they say I was about to just get into that I was a regard. I was that was probably I got caught. Yeah, and it was. I was about to freak it up. I swear to God. I was where the God I was. That was probably, I got caught. Yeah. As simple as that. I was fake flexing. I got caught. No, I was not a coach. I wasn't a Delta flight in first class. Can't explain it enough. Didn't think nothing of it.

Like I did, like saw the picture. I said, I'm about to the posters because I don't want people to know how I'm moving Okay, and I posted it just to try to derail people like I post stuff all the time and people like you there No, I'm gonna come in house on the couch. All right. I just wanted to post it get out my phone Was it called a dump? Yeah, get out on this particular day. Mmm, I Posted I'm like cool. I can go to sleep now people don't know they think I'm on this and I'm not on here I'm throwing everybody off Somebody actually following somebody's on the plane. We say what them phones Got me posted it and I just had to own up to it. Like y'all got me. Okay, you know me rappers lie

Right y'all caught me one time, right? I will never do this again, right? It's over I get cuz somebody posted you somebody ain't on no private play. He right here. They're right there I said asshole. Why did you do that? That's little Romeo That ain't me but uh, I laughed at it man, you know everybody had they want to into it I just seen What's the comedian name? Owens? Gary Owens? Gary Owens.

I was on my TikTok and his special came up and he was talking about it in a stand up. But it's to show you bro, I'm normal. And I make mistakes. And I can own up to it. Right. And you know me, just we don't been on since then. Yeah. There we go. I had no reason to do it. But up to it. Right. And you know me, just we done been on since then. Yeah. There we go. I had no reason to do it, but I did it.

And I got caught flexing. Right. The fake flex. Right. Orlando Brown, when he mentioned that you guys had a relationship. I mean, Bobby, he was like, bro, come on now. Yo, I ain't gonna lie, that dude is hilarious.

He's hilarious. Like I- But you know people believe that though, bro. If they believe that something wrong with lie, that dude is hilarious. He's hilarious. Like, I- But you know people believe that though, Clown. If they believe that, something's wrong with them. They crazy as hell. They done drunk two shades. Straight. Straight. Straight.

Man, I'ma be honest with you. That dude is smart and he know what he doing. Right. He ain't no fool. He ain't no fool. I seen an interview where he said, uh, people pay me. You know what he doing. Right. He ain't no fool. He ain't no fool. I seen an interview where he said, uh, people pay me. You know what I'm saying? And when I get the bag, however much the money is determined, am I gonna be crazy?

Because I can be Orlando and we can have a casual conversation. We can talk. I always thought he was talented. Always thought he was talented. Um, yes, he's had troubles. Uh, I ain't even gonna get into all that. That thought he was talented. Yes, he's had troubles. I ain't even gonna get into all that. That's his personal business. That's his life. But outside of that, I've always thought he was talented as hell. And I always thought that since all of these people put him on their platforms for clickbait, somebody need to put the boy on TV and give

him a real job. I always said that. There is talent. Even though he does and says crazy stuff, and before he started wiling on me and saying I'm really Tupac and he'd be saying, if he was here right now, he'd say, no, you really, you really, somebody else is you. And he'd be like, what? And he would call you that the whole interview. He'd just be like, what? What does he own? But I always thought that people just use them. It's sad in some ways, but I feel like the boy is talented. He's funny as hell. And if given the right opportunity, somebody really gives him something,

something where he can be himself, Orlando Brown, I think it'll pop. I'm not going to sit here and down a brother a diss him more. A lot of cats are like, you're going to have to see that boy. You're going to have to, all right, he walk in here, he ain't about to say none of that shit. He ain't about to say none of that to me. He gonna walk with up, man.

Man, you know I be just evin' around. I know how these things go. I don't really take nothing serious. As long as you ain't playin' my money, ain't playin' with my kids, I ain't trippin'. Man, I ain't trippin', man, I'm laughin'. It's clownin'. We laugh at stuff like that.

I ain't trippin' on Orlando Brown like that. You mentioned that you lost your virginity at 15. How did that change, I mean were you anxious, how did that change your perception of sexuality, women, relationships, what did that do to you? My mama said I'm gonna know when you get some because you're gonna walk around the house a little different. You know what I mean, that's what she told me but but Did she know? Nah, she ain't know. She ain't know. My whole thing was It was funny like how it happened because after I lost my virginity I'm thinking I Don't know if this every young man when they live in Virginia. I'm like, how can I get more? Oh, yeah, that's exactly what it is.

That's exactly what it is. How can I get more of this? And like do I do I ask like I don't even know how I get it I don't mean they and that's not having a father. I don't know. I'm like, how can I get more of this? And like, do I ask? Like, I don't even know how I get it. I don't mean, and that's not happening to father. I don't know. I'm out here in the wild, OG. I don't know. I'm out here like. That's what they say, oh, his nose wide open.

And it was. I don't even know how to get to the panties again. I don't know. This might take months. I don't know. But once I cracked the code, I was still chilling. I was cool. It wasn't until I got around 18, 19, the nightlife hit.

And the nightlife hit, and I was able to go out and enjoy Atlanta and enjoy these beautiful places and these places that we enjoy so much. It changed. You know what I mean? enjoy so much, it changed. You know what I mean? It definitely changed. Big time. Tattoos, you say you got your first tattoo at 15. Yep.

Did your mom approve of it or you got a tattoo without her knowing? Mom's approved. She was right there when I did it, here in Atlanta at the studio. Wow. She's like, and that's it too. Don't be trying to take this over boy.

I'm like this. I and then I Went crazy after that. Did you they say it's addictive it is you have any I don't have any you ever thought about it. I Did no I thought about it my grandmother. I wanted to get my grandmother's name Okay, my sister found a thing where she had wrote her name on it. Mm-hmm And then I thought about it. She hated that she hated hated tattoos She said son don't ever mark up your body. So I ain't gonna do it I wanted an earring my mom told me once I graduated high school I can have an earring and then once I graduated I didn't want it

I want what I wanted what I want what I wanted it. Yeah, and I didn't get it. It's like whatever. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I'm blaming so you you sleeved. Yeah cover The right elbow out. Yeah, I got some joints on here where I'm from. My mama, my logo, where I'm from, Columbus. I got some prayers. I got a Malcolm X quote on me. So So Dev, Boy Wonder. So you got your daughter's name? Yep, got my daughter. I got more to go to right. I'm gonna do my leg, right?

You reported you say you was on lean bad. How did that how did that happen? How did that that habit stopped? That had been started just by being in hip-hop being influenced having people around having easy access to it No different than any other young star Probably one of the worst things that I could have ever really got into without knowing the repercussion and consequences when dealing with something like that. You know, lean the double cup, styrofoam cup, to this day is still monumental to hear. Oh yeah, they still talking about it. Oh, in every song, every, every, you see that double cup is...

You already know what it is. You already know what it is, but they don't tell you how deadly it is though. See, I didn't know, I never dealt with withdrawals and kickbacks until I don't have like an addictive personality so I just put the cup down like uh ain't got no I cool but I didn't know that my body I was drinking so much promethazine that my body almost needed it yeah so I'm like yo what is going on I call my arm with that say I need it you want you need to check that ground turkey she's like what I said that tacos you made with some wrong with the turkey

Like did you check the date because man my stomach is doing something crazy and it ain't like I gotta go let it out There's some whole other something going on here like it's like pain like for like a knife just cutting through must like my stomach And she's like not it. Why would I cook some old ground turkey? I'm like something something ain't right. And then it wasn't. But that was me going through. Going through the drill. And I had no idea. The worst feeling I've ever witnessed in my life.

Like, if you thinking about stopping and you want to stop, stop. I'm telling you. Number one, It blows you up It because it's thick it's so just sits in your gut You know, I mean you get constipated so the weight is just sitting on you get bigger and bigger I've seen so many people quit lean and they look so healthy and yes, you know what I mean? And they talk I know Paul Wall talks about all the time

I just had him on stage with me at the Millennium Tour. He came out Houston and Looks amazing. Yeah, everybody who gets off of it looks amazing And you know, I said I just got I got I got to go through the process but I'll tell you what I'll never pick up a cup again. It's over. Oh, I'm trying to stop this Don't stop there. We won't see you home with a bottle. Okay, I'm gonna take it to Millennium tour. Yeah, let's talk about let's talk about that. All right Does it feel good to get back on stage and be in what you would consider your natural habitat? Yes.

Yes. It's amazing. Third one, first one went out in 2019. You come back with the second one, I join. We win the Billboard Music Award. They added the dog. we win the chip. You know what I'm saying? Second following year, we go out again, we run it up.

This time, sold out every night. It's crazy, it's crazy to watch these grown women, watch our fans who grew up with us, to still be screaming and throwing bras and panties on the stage. Having these signs bow while you was my first crush. I mean, it's just so beautiful to see, because I always say it's not supposed to happen.

Because when you look at most child stars that started so young, they don't make it to this point. At some point, we're supposed to be doing the tell-all when it all went down, and when it all fell down and it was over. I can't believe I'm 38, I started professionally at 5 and I'm still going. 13 is when the world knew me. And I'm still here going, competing, new record out, arena tour. I mean I'm doing everything that Bow Wow is supposed to be doing and it's only the beginning.

Trey's songs on stage and somebody ran on stage. Trey like what's up with it? I'm gonna tell you about this. This is funny, No one knows this. I never, I didn't share this with nobody. That was in Greensboro, North Carolina. We're in Greensboro and I'm in my dressing room. I'm vibing. I just got off the stage. I'm vibing. And I'm watching the show on the monitor backstage. And as I'm watching, I'm like, what is going on? I'm like, what the hell hell? And I'm watching what happens as soon as Trey comes off the stage this is exactly what he says he comes off the stage he comes right into my dressing room did you see that? No first he said shower come on we gotta talk we gotta talk we gotta talk so we in the back we talking everybody comes back there he like bro did you see that? I'm right up on the stage

I said, yeah, I said when I saw I ran the whole way with telling everybody, you know what trey tells me what? I thought it was you I said what he go I said try I would never jump on your set. He's like this. I know but Who else has that much energy night in night out? Who bounces runs on stage left to right jumping up on stuff every night and who will have access to the stage? He said boy for a quick minute. That's why when he jumped on me. I'm like, oh hey Hey, like a delayed reaction. I hold up. He's I thought it was you I died laughing I said man, I would never jump on your say he said just because of that I'm definitely gonna jump out on first. I'm in is one of these nights. I swear to God watch

I said come on with it, bro. It's all good, but it was wow man this tour has been wild I think it's been so successful because I have a lot of good dance partners this time not saying that the last couple tours I'm gonna dance partners, but when you got people who want to promote one opposed We got people who want to promote, want to post. The camaraderie is there. If Trey doesn't have a party and I have a hosting, he's coming to my party. If I don't got a bag to pick up tonight and I'm off,

but Trey got a party, we swing the Trey party and go support him, but also have a good time. You know what I mean? And I think that that's what tour is about, the camaraderie. You gotta be together, you can't be no egos. And I think when you put up a little booze, he's somebody who's viral on his own. Plies, viral on his own.

Bow, viral on his own. Train, viral on his own. We've all been going viral. I don't know if you saw the thing with me with the tequila in the club in Houston. Oh, that's hilarious. I was surprised you didn't ask me about that one. That was crazy.

What'd you do? It was a girl's birthday, got my after party, and I had a bottle, and I was like, okay, honey, you do? It was a girl's birthday. I'm out the party and I had a bottle and I'm like, okay I tell you need to take a shot get right when it came back How about that much tequila in it she drank it Oh tore down She tore down and then gave it back to me and my reaction is what said the internet like crazy because I looked at it and I was like You can be my little like

And I was like, the hell, I said, you gonna be my liver. I'm like, the hell? I was like, this is crazy. And she told that down like I'm H2O. Ooh, yes sir. You and Soulja Boy had a beef. And now you mentioned about on MSG that he came out, you end up falling on him

and you guys have passed that relationship. How were you able to get past that? When you're young, you do a lot of dumb stuff we never had beef beef is serious. That's like the street, right? We were racing on whose Lambo is the fastest. I got a Murcia lago mine is three hundred thousand dollars more you got the good lot Bull you know that and We look at it now. We laugh we get money together You know that and we look at it now we laugh we get money together We do shows together. We have we have a show in the works together as we speak like that. That's my dog, man I just feel like life is too short. I learned that from Snoop. I watched Snoop

Fix so many relationships with people that he had real issues with you know, I mean, I'm like if Snoop can overcome that I Can't do right. I'm like if Snoop can overcome that, I can too. I love life. I love going outside. I love going into these cities where they say, be careful. I'm like this. Tell that to that other one before they come in town. I ain't got to worry about them but screaming women chasing me. I'm cool. I love life. I don't want to be for nobody. I don't want to... And I ain't giving up that kind of vibe. I'm not giving up that vibe. I'm the vibe where everybody want to be around he the ladies man he got the vibes

he he's safe he he's fun he's gonna curate the energy and that's who I want to be I want to be the ball of light that everybody can come to right you know I'm saying for I love watching people have fun I love watching people smile that's my thing I love to do that. You know what I mean? So um, yeah your catalog would you ever sell your catalog? If the money was right If the money was right, you get a profit and make how much we talking hundred mil they can have it tomorrow They got the day Today and I'm gonna make sure they we set up a business in Nevada or Jersey

sure they set up a business in Nevada or Jersey. Just to get that taxes on that money. I want all of it. I want every Florida too. I know these things. You do too. What are your thoughts on streaming? Because I've heard some people say, oh, I make a bag doing streaming.

I heard some people say, man, I ain't getting but 30,000 blah blah. I'm not making no money. What are your thoughts on streaming? Nah, if you can curate them streams and people are like like nah, that's what there's money behind that. Oh, yeah, you talking about Think about this even with just YouTube and different thing just monetizing the things that cats are into these are monthly checks that go out Yeah, you know I mean, so if a kid is on distro Courtney's looking at his numbers You can see how much money you make right and it's gonna tell you the date where it's going out

What's going to account so you don't random got a bunch of streams tick-tock blown up. You got a hit You imagine being six 16 70. Oh, and it's a 788 thousand about the coming your account tomorrow Hmm all because of a song, you know did in your mama bit like in your bedroom in your mama's right? You good what and to collect that dough every month? Or even if you scream live and the hits when people be dropping them Right. You good. What and to collect that dough every month Or even if you stream live and the hits when people be dropping them, right? That stuff be adding up it can get it can get crazy There's some guys running that probably make a million dollars a month just off of streaming and doing what they do. No cap. Wow

Yeah, anything you want to promote your tour? Merchant merch Yeah, yeah restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah prom. I gotta get you down you use cigar guy I'm not but I come sports like that brown. Yeah, we got oh, yeah Gotta bring you to prom cigar one time. It's very elegant classy feel like Atlanta needed a vibe like that Shout out to my boy JV. It's kind of put me on the team We just you know me helping them out and just curating the vibes and you know, I mean that that's that's the spot right there We got three in Atlanta prom Prime Express, Prime Cigar

and of course Prime on Pea Street that's the dinner spot that's gonna be more of your lobster your steaks and things like you can get fly and take you a little friend up to there you're gonna like that joint right there OG and then of course we got the hairline the men's hairline I'm killing them still number one with Red by Kiss with the durags and all the men's accessories the brushes the twist king brush and Just expect more movies brand new record man Brown heating up just getting started on that The video is coming about to shoot that end of the month. So yeah, man business is booming man. I'm excited

I'm really am excited for this year in and next year, too I just don't know what's gonna happen But I know God got me and the energy that I'm feeling from him is I just need you to be ready. This is your year and the things that you can't see that you can kind of sense is coming Oh it's coming and when I drop him on you, I need you to be there to answer that call. So I'm ready. Bow wow. My dog. Appreciate you bro.

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