Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Claressa Shields Part 1

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Shannon Sharpe sits down with Claressa Shields, the world’s best active female boxer and the most decorated woman in the history of the sport. She kicks off the episode in the ring, giving Shannon a hands-on lesson in how to throw jabs, crosses, hooks, uppercuts, and full combinations while breaking down championship footwork, defensive strategy, counters, and the mindset required to deliver a knockout. From there, Claressa takes Shannon through her extraordinary rise. She opens up about surviving a childhood marked by a mother battling addiction, a father in prison, years of sexual abuse, and the devastating loss of her grandmother. Those experiences pushed her into the role of protector for her siblings and eventually taught her to stand up to bullies at school. Boxing became more than a sport—it was her escape, her sense of purpose, and ultimately the force that saved her life after two suicide attempts. Shields reflects on her first and only amateur loss, which came when her coach couldn’t travel with her, and emphasizes how vital strong leadership is in a fighter’s corner. She also shares the moment she became the youngest American boxer ever to win Olympic gold. Claressa talks about the time she had to spar an internet troll, and she revisits how she negotiated equal Olympic pay for women before graduating high school as the first in her family to do so. Her conversation with Shannon expands into her views on trans athletes in women’s sports; her encounters with NBA legends like Kevin Durant and LeBron James during the Olympics; and the challenges of colorism and online criticism aimed at her and Serena Williams. She speaks candidly about pressures to change her appearance, lessons she’s learned about money, and the moment she became the first woman to earn $1 million in a boxing match. Shields then breaks down her transition into MMA, including training with Jon Jones, how the sport differs from boxing, and whether she’d ever consider jumping into WWE. She offers unfiltered takes on Canelo Alvarez, Jake Paul vs. Gervonta Davis, Floyd Mayweather vs. Mike Tyson, Terence “Bud” Crawford’s legacy, and her complicated rivalry with Laila Ali—complete with the $15 million offer still on the table. As it concludes, Claressa opens up about her plans for motherhood and her friendships with Kash Doll and singing with Summer Walker. She dives into the music she listens to before fights, her mental process walking into the ring, the dirtiest tactics she’s experienced, the injuries she’s fought through, her weight-cut routines, and where negotiations stand for her next fight—including conversations with Netflix.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wanna slice Got the roll a dice That's why all my life I've been grinding all my life Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shayshay I am your host Shannon Sharper And we're on the road at Sweet Science Fitness Atlanta Boxing Club right here in Atlanta, Georgia.

The lady that's stopping about for conversation to drink today is one of the world's best active female boxer pound for pound With an undefeated professional record She holds 19 major world championships spanning five-weight classes. She holds the record becoming a two, three, four, five-division world champion in the fewest professional fights. She's the first and only fastest boxer in history to hold four major world titles in boxing in three-way classes. She's the first ever undisputed woman's heavyweight champion.

She's the most watched woman's professional boxer in history. She's the first American to win Olympic gold medal. She's the 17 years of age, and she won back-to-back gold medals. She was inducted into the USA Boxing Alumni Association Hall of Fame. Her gloves were enshrined into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. From Flint Street to Global Fame, her she is, the quote, the greatest of all time. Cluress of she is. Larry Holmes used the jab.

He was trying to do damage. A lot of people used the jab as a rangefinder. Klitschko, it was a rangefinder because he's trying to drop the right hand. So he was hooked, boom! That's what he's trying to do. Larry Holger, boom. That's me. That's my jab right there.

So you try to... Power jab. Yes. Snappy, powerful. So I'm pushing. Almost. Or am I? So we're going to bend your legs home.

There you go. And put some of the weight on your back leg. On the back leg. Because what you're going to do when you push off, you want to make sure that your weight stay in the middle of here. So when you push off, you're going forward, but you still just, uh, get. Take a little step.

So you can back up something because you're real tall. So get your stands together again. Let me see, put your arm out there. Yeah, so when you take your step, you're going to hit the bag. You're going to take a short step. Probably it's about right there. Go.

That's the good job. So you're pushing up that back. Because the power, you said like I hit a drum in it. It wasn't hard as a feeling. Yeah, you see that. You see that they're going to feel it though. See, I'm just waiting. So that's one of the ones that, that's like a flicker.

Yeah. If you push off your back way that you really want to push off and really get it, ah. That is going, it's going to stick them. You know what I'm saying? Like, make them say what's up. Okay. So if I'm gonna, boom.

Oh, who, who, who, you saw that grip! You saw that power! That power! You have more power if you push off that back leg, and then when you throw your right, so when you got this hand here, you get that hand up. Because you don't want to hear in your chin, you're not down.

So you're gonna pull this shoulder back, switch the positions and put that shoulder in front. Oh, that's where the power comes. Okay. Right there, but keep that foot down. You're not moving this foot of front. for the front when you throw it. When you go, one, two, push it there because you're pushing off both. So one, two. Switch positions on the shoulders. Let's go. So, I'm going to lay some. One, pull it back.

Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah. I know you're going to feel that power. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't want to feel it. I want them to feel it. Well, you're going to feel it when you throw it. Okay. And make sure your jab is up here. Okay. Where your head is at. Yeah, okay. One. Boom. Almost. Try again. Go. It's fish.

That was more stronger. That was, let's go again. One more time. Your jab a little tall. Boom, boom. That's. Ooh, you see that, it ain't stopped yet? It ain't stopped moving, yeah.

Clarissa over that jab. You see the bag still moving. Yeah, that's right. You definitely shaking it up. Yeah, yeah. So now that we got that jab. We got that right. We're going to get our hook.

We're going to pull this shoulder back now and make a L with this hand, an L, uppercase L. Yeah. There you go. All right, so let's try it again. One, two, three. And make sure that when you twist back on that hook, twist it goes from here. Twerick in the hip and the shoulder. Throw my back out.

Yeah, watch yourself. All right. Let's go. Ah, ah, ah. Keep that foot down. You moved it. Keep that foot right where it's at. So I just pivot with it.

Yeah, you can pivot, but leave it where it's at. But I don't pick it up. You don't pick it up. Don't pick it up. Don't pick it up. Okay. Back up some. Let's go.

Ah, ah, ah. Twist. I need to wrap. Throwing that hook, bad. Hey, the hook is a real sneaky punch. Yeah. Everybody worry about that jab that right hand, but if that hook. No, that on the upper cut.

Oh, the upper cut is coming. Because that's the one you don't see. See, sometimes you can catch that hook. right because it's up top but this one coming from under touch you right on that button right yeah you're not ready yeah you're not ready so last four is we're gonna have that jab step with it one had that two you gonna put that three on them and the uppercut then see everything in the top one two three but the uppercut you make it a you here so it comes from here here if

you want to go to the body being your legs you're gonna go to the head You bring it right now. Right. So, the jab, boom, boom, boom. But keep your chin down. Okay. When you throw that upper cut, you don't want to come here. Oh, okay.

Oh, okay. Boom. And throw that ever cut, you're gonna just twist it so that, so that hook up front, put that hook up front. Boom, now when you twist here, boom, make this an upper cut. And you're gonna hear, I'm gonna fore enough is right there. That's your upper cut.

Mm-hmm. Man, I hurt my wrist throwing the hook. Oh, you put that, you put that spark on it. Yeah, I did. Keep your fist close. Keep your fist close. Yeah. Make sure you don't have them open.

I did. That's what happened. Okay. Well, I don't be hurting my hand. I only hurt my hand whenever my hand is open or it's not like, when you close it all the way, it shouldn't hurt. Well, I think it's what it did is that. I'm not, I'm having, I'm having, uh, somebody hurt. Throw a sock on.

one two three four mm-hmm keep that chin down you're gonna do like seven punches one two three four we bring the upper cut right here so right there in the middle of the body but i'm trying to hit him on the chair Marissa are you going to the head yeah oh well you're still bringing it up just on over here. The head is where your head is in, right? Because you line them up. One, two, three, over come here. There we go. Perfect. That's actually pretty good. That's pretty good. They're really not ready for Shamed. They're really not ready. They're really not ready for us. They're ready for us. Hey, I can't get you going to call me. And then I'm coming. That's what I did. Hey, he told me. He told me to do it. He's going to

me out too, I'm coming. Damn. It's, this. It's, this. No, no, that was good. You want, you want any more? No, I don't want them on. Oh, okay.

That would you need to be asked to deal. That's what you got. What we got? What you got? Oh, what I got for you? I got you a Corretti's shirt. And I couldn't figure out your size, but this is a 2x. I feel the 2x.

And I don't know if you were matching, you know, but he got the pants to it. To the side. Yeah. To the side. I don't know about these pants, Melissa, but I don't know, you know what I don't know. I don't know. I think, are these women 2X or they're men 2X?

They're unisex. But you know what? You got a football body, so they might not. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know. What y'all think? I don't know what y'all think. Y'all think I'm going to be able to do this?

I think you fit the hoodie. I think it's going to pick the hoodie. I don't know about the arms though, man. You huge, bro. These are monkeys. Hold on, hold on. I thought we're getting to this. We'll talk about this in the ring.

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You've always wanted to be a boxer. Yes. Well, those were like the dreams in order. Before I started boxing, I wanted to be a singer and I want to be a mom. But at a young age, I started boxing I was 11 years old. Okay. I think at the age, nine or eight people that are asking me, like, what do you want to be? And I remember saying, like, I wanted to be a mom and I wanted to have 10 kids.

That was like a big thing that my family used to laugh me about, still laugh about to this day. Do you come from a big family? Well, my mom has. four of us and then my dad has like seven okay yeah so you come from a fairly large family so growing up so what what was what was it about boxing that drew you to this sport me versus you one-on-one that's it you know I I had played basketball I played soccer I ran track cross-country I was doing everything but it was like I hated when they would say oh we got a team trophy but

it was second place like I would win a race right but we will still get second place because all the points tallied up and this other team got more. Right. You know, and then basketball, they want to pass you the ball. And then, you know, girls get rough with you, you get rough with them back, but I guess I'm too rough. Right. And then I really enjoy cross country, but I mean, running five miles, three and a half miles

out of time. Like, who want to do that? Right. And it just seemed like with boxing, it just made me feel really good. Like I felt very strong. I had got my first bruise there. So you grew up like in the fight? Yeah, I like in knowing that you said you could beat me up and you said you was better than me.

But if I get in the gym and I work hard and me and you fight, I beat you, I like there's nothing you can say about me, say about me beating you up because that's literally like what happened. Like there's no people like say, oh, I got robbed, this and that. But it was like, I get in the ring and dominate everybody. So it's like you saying you can beat me. And I say, okay, let's do it. And it's woman versus woman or a lot of times growing up, it was. Me versus a man. That's what I'm saying.

But in boxing, okay, I understand points. If you knock somebody out, okay, obviously you win. But in a street fight, that's a whole different thing. So you grew up by, you grew up fighting a little girl, the little points? Yeah, up in street fighting? Yeah. Yeah. That's how I initially got into boxing.

But I started getting into fights at school because I was being bullied. I was never the person to start the fights. I was actually scared to fight when I was younger. Oh. So my anger drove me. to fight after being picked on for a very long time. Right. I read that you had like a speech impediment.

You didn't talk until you was five. You started until you were nine. So how was it, how were you communicating if you're non-verbal? You didn't really speak until you was five years of age. How do you communicate? I used to just cry. My mom used to scream at me like, say what you want. If you're hungry, say you're hungry.

You want to go outside, say you want to go outside. And I used to just start crying. I think it took for me to get taken by my grandmother, Joanne, who really, who really, who really took her time with me. Yeah, who understood me, taught me a little bit of sign language because they thought I was deaf, but I wasn't. I just didn't want to talk. Okay.

And did you know you could speak? So when you were by yourself, okay, in front of your parents or with your siblings, you didn't say anything. But when you were alone, did you speak? Did you hear your own voice? Did you speak and say anything? I was able to think, but as far as in getting it out, it used to take a lot.

So my grandma was very patient with me. She put me in a speech dependent class in school, an anger management class also. But my grandma was just like, she was sweet, but she was a no-nonsense lady. I feel like I'm a lot like her. Right. Because the thing is, I had a cousin that stuttered bad, and my grandfather used to always tell him and not in the nicest way, slow down, start over. Slow down, start over. Think it.

Yes. Then say it. Right. So I had to get in the, like, you know, when you're emotional. You just feel like you want to get it out, but it was like you have to feel, think, then talk. Right. And the more upset you get, the faster you want to speak and the more you stutter and the worse it get. Yeah, because then you just be saying to them like, what are you talking about?

So for me, I had to get into the concept of that, but when I found journaling, to me it was like, if I could write something that I understand and that you can read, I don't even have to talk to you anyway. Right. Exactly. So did the kids make fun of you when you had a, would you talk in front of kids that once you started communicating at the age of nine, would you, did you, would you talk in front of kids? Is that something that they made fun of you about? Because I had a speech impediment and I would go to speech class and I sounded normal to me. Yeah. Because to my ear, I'm like, okay, bro, what is it? Why is it that you guys like, what are you saying? I'm saying the same thing that you would say. I didn't, I didn't get it. Right. No, so for me, um, That's why I got into a lot of fights. People making fun of me stuttering.

People make fun of me how I used to talk and how fast I used to talk. Because my mom talks really fast. So it just was the thing of I started getting into fights for that reason. People picking on me about my hair, about my clothes, because I didn't grow up with the best clothes, you know, and stuff like that. So that's what made me start fighting to just, I think the first fight I got into I beat somebody up pretty bad. And I just remember after that they wanted to be.

be cool. Like, they left me alone, right? Yeah, okay. I kind of like, if I whip your tail, you will leave me alone, and the word of get around, don't bother Clarissa. Don't mess with, listen, the boys know nothing to mess with Clarissa, the girls knew nothing to mess with Clarissa. Like, it was a

thing, like, leave her alone because for some reason, I guess when you're quiet, you become like a victim to people, and they feel like they can mess with you. So for me, you know, I stated myself, but people just come up, well, these kids, you know, they're so mean nowadays, They used to walk up and copy my work, grab my paper, ball it up, and throw it away.

So now the teacher's asking me what happened. I'm trying to explain it. And then this other kid can speak better than me saying that I'm lying. I'm like, no, I did my work. She took my work and bawled it up and threw it in the trash. So after going through that for a while, I think my first fight was when I sent somebody bullying my little sister. Okay. Who can talk.

Right. And my sister beat me up when I was younger. So when I seen somebody... She's younger than you. She beat you up. Yeah, my sister used to beat me up. Brianna used to beat me up. Yep.

But you fell back. So they're taking your homework. Yeah. They're copying your homework. Taking it, then bawling my homework. Bolling it in the trash. So now when it comes time to turn the homework in, you ain't got no homework. They got homework.

Yeah. You're trying to explain the situation. And the teacher's like, yeah, this is a situation where the dog ate your homework. I get it. Yeah, yeah. Well, she's believing the other kid because they're getting it out. And I'm stuttering like, oh, and I'm like, you don't know what I just said? Like, she took my stuff.

copied it, bought it up and threw it. And it seemed like that used to aggravate me. So I got, I think I threw a chair at a kid before, not a teacher. Damn. Um, listen, I had really bad angry issues when I was a kid. It took a while. I think probably like 16, 15, I finally was like, okay, I got control of this. Right. Yeah, it took a while. You, you mentioned, um, your dad was in prison. Hey there, Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health.

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So growing up where I grew up at, nobody really had a dad. So it's like you don't miss that on something that you, that don't nobody else have either. Right. So it was like the community, like we all just had our moms. You know, and you can't miss them that you never had. So my dad went to prison when I was two, got out when I was nine. And when I met him, I mean, honestly, me and him gave me a whole new perspective of who I was. Like, my dad laughed really loud.

And I used to wonder, like, why is my laugh so loud? You know, why am I so, you know, stern and mean? And my dad is the same way. Like, I think I get a lot of my attitude from my dad, and I get my sassiness and my fast twitch from mom. Right. Yeah. Did you know who he was when you saw him? Yeah, I had seen pictures of him for a long time, and we look alike.

So I had seen pictures of him, and when I met him, and he just was, he started talking. When my dad first saw me when I was nine, well, he saw him when I was two, when he saw me again when he got out, he just started crying and smiling real big. And he had braids, he had cornrows to the back, and they threw like a big old welcome home party for him. And when I, and when my dad seen me and my sister, he just started crying, and he hugged both of us. And that's probably the first time that I really, like, let a grown man hugged me. Because I was more of like, don't nobody touch me, you know. But my dad came home hugging me and giving me kisses all the time.

He used to make me kiss him on lips. I'd be like, oh. You kiss the lips? And then I think one day I bought my face up when I kissed him. He said, why do you? I said, Dad, you breast like cigarettes. Like, can we kiss on the forehead or something? He was like, yeah.

So now whenever I see my dad, he seen me, we kiss on the forehead. We don't get on lips no more. Well, did the kids make fun of you about your child, about your dad being in prison? Was that something? No. Did anybody know your dad was in prison? Nobody cared because nobody had their dad.

We all was in, we all was in school and we talked about our moms. You know what I'm saying? Like our mom's going to pick us up. Mom kind of parentage conferences. You know, it was our mom that was involved in our life. So nobody, like I was saying like, how can you miss out on something that you never had? Now that I had my dad, when my dad did get him,

my life I did want to spend more time with him and be around with him more and you know my dad taught me how to run to get in shape four boxing right you know he'd take me he'd be on his bike or in his car and every other block he'll have me sprint he's had his whistle that was so loud and annoying and when he blew the whistle that's when you sprint that's when you sprint so my dad would tell me I ran two miles but but really I ran four and my dad was like that he tricked you to run it farther than what you thought you was going let me ask you I mean, you're, and I think people that go through things, there are the best people to give advice. So what advice would you give young kids dealing with a situation that they have

a parents incarcerated and to deal with that, that they're not going to be around, they don't know if it's going to be a year, two years, five years, like you said, it was seven years in between two years old and not nine years old and dealing with your dad? How would you advise kids to move forward? Obviously, each situation is different. What was some of the advice that you would impart on some younger generation, this young generation? Um, for me, I don't think that any of us can control our childhood, you know, because we're kids, you know, but I think that long as kids understand that you make the decisions for your life. Like, I think the younger you start, the better. So if you want to be a dentist, a doctor, a scientist, whatever, nurse, you can start that at a very young age.

And I don't mean like start having a job, but I mean like start making those choices that will get you there, knowing that when it gets to a certain age, you can. nobody controls your life anyway right I mean I moved out when I was about 13 and I was living my boxing coach so that was a decision that I made because I'm like you know the Olympics is in four years so I got to start getting ready for the Olympics so I always tell like my advice is know that it doesn't matter who your parents are or where you come from your life is about your decisions right and I and I grew up poor so me always believing in believing in God and getting baptized but Jeremiah 29 11 You know, for I got another plans I have for you, plans to give you a hope and plans to prosper and have a great future.

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I mean, because little girls, a lot of times little girls want to be just like their mom. They, you know, hair. That ain't what you, that ain't what you, that it would. You said your life really turned around when you went and lived with your grandmother. Yeah. Was that your maternal grandmother? That was your mom's mom? Yeah.

Yeah, my mom. Uh-huh. So can you contrast the differences between your mom is normal? She's not, she's not intoxicated. or she's not under the influence as opposed to her just walking around being normal? Well, my mom is a lot like me, but she's way more quiet.

My mom don't hug people. She's really quiet. She don't say much. She just kind of observe everything. And she's very sassy. She's very sassy, okay? And sometimes she can be a pushover. You know, sometimes what's her friends

and people that close to her, she can be pushover. Trying to take advantage of it. But when she get that liquor in her, She's Mike Tyson What? I'm telling you the truth Listen, my mama will knock you aside your head

quick than you can you Hey listen if you did something to her When she was sober When she used to drink She'll let you know And it could be a month ago Two months ago You've been and forgot it even happened

Maybe she called you You ain't answered a phone Maybe you did something to her And I'm telling you She's gonna remind you when she get that stuff in her and if you're around she's gonna go upside your head

she can go outside your head with that with that cane she got listen my mama will hit you she ran up ran on one time with that cane I said mama chill out for real you know but my mom but that's the difference though like when she's

when she used to drink she used to get real real aggressive real me and she can and my mom can really fight like she can so you get it from your mama for real though her my mom and my dad used to underground street fight but my mama she like I don't know it's like she starts the fights kind of like my little sister they they'd be starting to fights and I'm like what's wrong with y'all man but that's the

difference so my mom you know it it took for I think when I when I turned 17 and I won the Olympics my mom completely stopped drinking you know she stopped drinking um she became more like now she like to hug me some time all that stuff but she never was like that wow when I won the I feel like it made her feel like she yeah yeah she did something good and and I want her know that she did do something good and that I turned out to be alright even though my childhood wasn't all that great. Have you ever had a conversation with your mom about what transpired in your childhood and what went on you had a conversation with her so so what did she say did she apologize

like Carissa I'm sorry I know I did the best I could I might have not been the best mom but I just want you to know that I loved you and I'm proud of it. Well, when I was five and I had got, you know, the R word. Yes. You know, families don't talk about that stuff for a long time. So what happens when I was five, we didn't talk about it until I was 16, almost 17. So when we talked about it, me growing up as a kid and being taken by my grandmother and live with my grandmother most of my childhood after being five, what I know.

What I knew and what I felt, I guess, was like, was it, was it inaccurate or was it emotionally flawed? I don't know. But I felt that she picked the abuser over me, and I grew up with that in me for a lot of here. You had resentment towards your mom. Yeah, for a long time. Did you tell her?

Well, I told my aunt and my aunt told my grandma, that's how I got to take me by my grandma. But from my knowledge, I thought that I had to move with my grandma because my mom chose him. That was what I... That's what you interpreted in that. Yes, because, you know, they say keep kids out of growing folks' business. So I'm just with my grandma, so I go from being around four or five kids every day, my brother and my sister's to now with my grandma and just me and her and you know how it is with grandma. Yeah, grandma's straight.

Grandma don't cook. Grandma just cook and you watch movies and you don't go aside much. A grandma is, you know, it's grandma. Absolutely. You know? And so that was how I interpreted. So when they finally got, when I was like 16, I'm doing all these interviews, getting ready for the Olympics.

I just beat the world champion, Mary Spencer. There's a lot going on. And they kept asking me like, you know, who are you? How was your upbringing? And I just was like, listen, I had a rough upbringing. But that's all over now. I'm about to win the Olympics. Right.

But for some people interviewing you, like, that's not enough. Right? So they kept digging and they kept digging and kept digging. Yeah, so they kept digging and digging. And I was like, I don't want to. I don't want to tell anybody about what happened to me because one, I don't want to make my mom look bad, but then, but then, too, if my, in my mind, if my mom, you know, didn't believe me or took your side, then what I'm going to look like telling the world that, and they don't take my side, you know, or they don't understand or believe me. So I spoke with my mom about it, and, you know, she let me know, she told me that she broke with that guy after a year after it happened. she couldn't believe it um she never chose him over me i moved my grandma because he threatened

to kill me that's why i moved my grandma so my grandma like i said she was very stern and she ain't gonna play with you so my grandma took me in just to keep him from harming me and also too he got beat up by a lot of my cousins he got he got jumped on he got uh heard he got pistol whipped a whole bunch of stuff happened to him so it was a thing of like all this grown folk stuff is going on and me as a kid, I didn't know. So when I turned 16, my mama told me. And yes, she apologized. You know, she apologized.

Let me know that she loved me, that it was okay to talk about it and get it out. And me being able to talk about it is what made me feel. It felt like a way to lift it on my shoulders. It really was because it was like a deep secret that I was hiding. And I just remember kind of like, I don't know if I was blaming myself or what, but it was like, dang, I always felt.

So like, you know, like I wasn't good enough to be with my siblings, to be with my mom. But I'm grateful for my grandmother because she, I mean, taught me how to clean up, you know, a shower, keep your clothes, to get your clothes, hang your clothes up. I told me how to cook. You know, like my grandma. You already talked about you wanted 10 kids. So you're like, well, you want 10 kids? You got to sing.

My grandma wanted me to sing. My grandma used to always give me mic sets for Christmas and try to make me sing and stuff. But I was always shy, because I was singing in front of her. But when it came, like, you know, like when the family come around. Family come together, like, Chris, get up there, sing. Nah, I ain't doing that. My grandma used to be like, Coco, I said sing. Oh, so that was your nickname, Coco.

Coco. That's why I wear it on my shorts. Okay. On my shorts, yeah. I think I read where you said that your mom would get intoxicated sometimes and you would walk around for days looking for. Yeah, we have to go get her, yeah. Did, I mean, you're a child, Clarissa.

I mean, do you really, like, did you realize at the time I'm a child that this wasn't normal? And I understand that you said most kids in Flint didn't have their father, but their most kid in Flint probably wasn't walking around the neighborhood trying to find their mom either. Well, it's me and my sister. And I'm the second oldest out of my siblings. So I have a big brother who's first older to me, but I'm like his big sister too. He called me his little big sister. Right. So I've always kind of like been the oldest.

So when it comes to our mom, my job has always always. been to protect her. Okay. So if she gone for a couple days and we don't know where she at and we don't know about her safety, we're not going to call the police and stuff. We get out there on the streets and we go find her and it was always a thing of, see, my sister spent more time a mom than me. So I would tell her, think of your memory, what houses y'all went to and what streets because flood ain't that big. Right. Flint, 10 minutes north, 10 minutes south. 10 minutes, east a minute. So you can walk around a whole Flint probably within four hours. Right. Just walking around and hit the whole, hit the whole,

thing. So, um, that's just how we used to go get him. And when we go get her, everybody knew, like, I was real mean. I was real mean. Like, I was real mean. I was rough and I would fight you. So people knew like, hey, she here to get, yeah, I'm here to get, I'm here to get my mama. And I go on there, I get her. And we go home. And, and like I say, you know, but she was grown. She was always good. But it was more of a thing like, it was my job. You know, I mean, sadly, it was my job, and I wouldn't choose anybody else to be my mama. Like, my mama was, she's a great, she's a great person, you know, she just dealt with something that she couldn't, she couldn't defeat at the time.

That, do you think that's one of the reasons why you're as resilient as you are is because of the things that you had to overcome in your own childhood? Absolutely. That's why I have a no back down attitude. I don't, I don't take disrespect. I know that mentally, I'm tougher than a lot of people. I know heart, the heart that I got, other people don't got it in them, that they couldn't survive. People talk about me inside the ring, you know, but outside the ring, I know that you guys, people couldn't make it through what I made it through.

And then when they come inside the ring, and then that carries, I got a no-quaint attitude. I'm very tough. I'm very skilled. I'm mean in there. And I don't take no for an answer. I don't back down. So I know that with all of that together, combined with hard work and prayer, that, that, you know, That's why I'm undefeated and unbeatable.

Growing up, did you cook as a child? Did you learn that? Or did you, once you got older and had to cook? Because, you know, I read that your mom used to sell to fuel her addiction, that she would sell the food stamps. So now that makes it very, very difficult for you to get food because you're reliant on that assistance. Yeah.

And now, man, what are we going to eat? And you have to make something out of nothing. Listen, when we didn't have food stamps, I wasn't really that good at cooking back then. I probably hadn't had an idea from watching my grandma. But me and my sister, my brother, just split a pack of ramen noodles. We'll break it down in four pieces. We'll cook it. And that's how we used to do it.

I used to go without eating a whole lot to make sure that they ate. Wow. So that was an end. But like I said, I'm the big sister, though. So it's not a thing of, I kind of felt like once again like that's my job. Like I just moved my little sister to Atlanta, her and her three kids, what, two weeks ago? Yeah. She has an apartment five minutes from me now.

Like, I don't know, it's not, it's not my job to take care of them, but it's my job to make sure that everybody is good, if that makes sense. That's normally the oldest daughter she normally takes on the mother's role. My mom is the oldest, and so when my grandmother, she, my grandmother would go to the fields with my grandfather, it was my mom's job to raise the other kids. You took that on, okay, my mom's not here. Now, I got to be the mom. I've got to make sure they're dressed, get them ready for school. I've got to make sure I've got to, I've got to find a way. I just want everybody to turn out all right. You know what I'm saying?

Everybody ain't going to be famous. How did you, how did, where did that come from? I mean, I just, I just love my siblings, and they loved me before I had anything. I think me and my sister are the complete opposite, but it's needed. It's needed, you know. I'm like sunlight and she like darkness, you know. But I think that, you know, before my fights, if my sister don't call me, or she's not in the back room, I don't really feel like the beast that I am.

Like she's seen the beast before the makeup and the hair. And I always like for her to remind me of that and sometimes she's in the back room, she's like, hey, y'all wop her ass and whooping your ass. I'm like, all right. Even though you can't beat me up no more, but it still sound good. You know, so. So let me ask you a question. Like when you were like hungry, did you eat a lot at school?

Because I mean, the school lunches. We definitely realized, bang, though. We definitely relied on the school lunch. I had friends. I'd be like, hey, man, let me buy a dollar. I pay you back. Never. And some of my friends still be like, you know, you owe me a dollar and 25 cent.

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And this time I guess it took over her. It took over everything, basically. And I just remember, I seen her two weeks before she passed. And she was like, you know, she was, my granny was really, really, really funny and sarcastic. But she told me, she said, Coco, when I die, make sure they bury me, you know, face down. And I was like, what? She was like, yeah, so everybody can kiss my ass.

I was like, I think I cried that day when she said, you know, I was, I think I cried that day when she was telling me that. But I remember when she said, I started laughing, and she was like, for real, Coco, she said, at my freedom, look, said, don't be letting everybody come up and kiss a hug on me. She said, you know, I ain't like people. Like, I don't like these people. I said, Grandma, you got to stop. You don't go to nowhere.

And then, but she passed probably two years before I won the Olympics, but she knew I was going. She knew I was getting prepared for it. She kept my robe hanging outside her house. I had a gold robe that said T-Rex on it. And, you know, just, I never really more, my grandma passed until a few years ago because it was too hard to deal with. But her birthday is coming up, November 5th, 6th, and she passed away December 21st.

So November 5th, I think November 5th or 6th, one of them days, we're going to celebrate her birthday. I always had a family come. We're going to do a big dinner. And then on her day that she went to be the Lord December 21st, we let off below. and everybody say what's their best memory of her. And we all got some funny memories with grandma. And I can say that I was the favorite. You know, my grandma, my grandma loved me.

And she let me know back then, you know, that I was worth the trouble. You know, she let me know that even though I was different, that I, she was always talking about equal rights and equal pay for women. This is when I first got in the boxing. And I really didn't understand why she was preaching it so much to me. but she was always on it and it kind of prepared me for when I turned pro

for the inequality that we have to go through and all the fights and the challenges that I had to overcome I feel like she mentally like she prepared me because the stuff that she was saying

I kind of was like jogging down in my head as notes and it really helped me in the amateurs to get equal pay for the women who was on the Olympic team so it really helped them

but it's just something that she kind of instilled in me like instilled in me on stand on your word finish what you start um losers never quit and quitters never win like my grandma still a lot in me you know she just was like always hey try to talk it out but if you but if you can't lay them out if you can't talk it out lay them out and i was and i'm a true believer in that i think that i've tried to squash a whole lot beef with people and it's like you know

what we and you just got to fight this ain't going to work we can't get along we'll get it on Get it on, let's go. Clarissa, you've overcome a lot. I mean, in backdrawing and researching you and reading your story, you try to commit suicide twice at 13 and 16. What was going on so bad in your life that you say, you know what, it's better if I go someplace else than have to deal with what I'm dealing with here?

You know, I think that at 13, I was just angry, you know, kind of confused about like, why am I a kid? having to go through all of this stuff you know but I think at 16 when I when I tried to do it was simply because heck I thought my chance to go to the Olympics was over it wasn't because I was still undefeated but I think two two or three weeks before this big tournament to fight my way to the Olympics my mom you know being intoxicated a door fell to hit me right on the eye like a corner it fell like it was off the hinges and it fell it made my eye real big I couldn't see out of it and it's

was up in three weeks and this was my only chance to make it to the Olympics so that's when I was like if if I can't go to if I can't fight my way up out of here and I got to stay here because this this done happened you know I I would rather just you know just go and I was I was going to I was going to cut my wrist and I was in a closet and I called one of my friends well I was I made a post on Facebook or something and one of of my close friends, Aaliyah called me. And she was like, whatever you're thinking about doing, don't do it. She was my best friend.

She still isn't my best friend now. And I was in my closet, and she was like going, well, I was sitting down. She was like, go in the closet, go in, go and pray. She's like, what do you do? I'm like, listen, I got this knife. I'm like, I'm tired of being here. Like, if I can't fight my way up out of here, I'm not about to live like this. It's overweight.

And she was like, go in your closet and pray. And she spoke to me on the phone for hours and I fell to sleep. in the closet, woke up, I, still big as hell. And I just remember my mom being, she was sober now. She came, you know, and asking what happened to my eye. And I was like, you did it. The door hit me in the face when you was acting crazy or whatever. And then I just remember from there.

And then my coach came and he was like, we're going to have the ice this. And you may not be able to go to the tournament or blah. And I believe the first, I think my eye stopped being black maybe a day before that tournament started or the day of. But it was like, I still went and fought five days back to back and fought my way to the Olympics. And that's all I really wanted to do, you know, at 16. I don't think, looking at it and people to go through, obviously, when people decide to take their own life, because they're in a lot of pain. But I don't think they realize the pain.

That they're in, imagine that the pain that you do to the people that's left behind. No, absolutely. Because they're asking questions, what is it? What was going on so bad? And now, for the rest of their lives, they're asking these questions, and they're having to deal with the pain that you thought that you couldn't overcome. I think that, too, when I was that young, I felt like I didn't know what depression was. You know, we all know what sadness is and when we're mad, but we don't know what depression is.

And, you know, depression is when you're having them suicidal thoughts, them bad thoughts, you know, them, them, like, for me, when I went through depression, it was like, I, I'm always a big advocate for myself and always speaking positive and up and uplifting. And then it's like, when you get depressed, that same voice that was being uplifting and that was being positive. Now it's being negative. Now it's being, and then it's your voice. And that's what was hard for me to deal with. But once I, like I said, figured out, listen, you know, things, every day is not going to be a sunny day, right? But that doesn't mean that it's like mud either.

You know, so I had to differentiate that. And then just, know that, listen, it gets better. I mean, I always tell myself when I'm going through something, I'm like, there's somebody going through something worse. I always tell myself that. And people, when they come in with their problem, I say, you know what? It's somebody doing worse than you.

And they think I'm being sarcasm. I'm like, I'm for real. It's somebody doing way worse than you. I just seen somebody sleeping under a bridge with a cover with like dirty clothes on. At least you went somebody's house and you able to lay down and get, you know, get some food. They out there sleeping on concrete and asking people strangers for money. It's people, there's always no one doing worse than you. And I always try to tell myself that when I fight things are getting hard.

and I tell people that who come to me complaining about things we are. You go to the Olympics, okay, obviously the swelling goes down, your eyes, it's okay, and you go to the Olympics and you said you had to fight five consecutive days and you won and you make your way to the Olympics. I'm going to the Olympics. Lifelong dreams, it's a culmination, but I just don't want to go. I want to bring that gold medal back. Absolutely.

So now you switch it like, okay, I got to do this, I've got to do this. So now, what's your mindset? I mean, it was no other option for me. I don't think I would have lived flying home with a silver or a bronze medal. I don't think I could have made. Or no metal. Yeah, I don't think I would have been able to, because it was my dreams since I was 13 years old to go to the Olympics.

So now that it's finally here, I'm at the Olympics, I'm like, yo, this is, ah. It was really, it was really surreal. And all I remember thinking is everyone around me, even close on the USA team, was doubted me because of my age. But I had the best skills. I had the most power, and I was the most determined, and I was one of the hardest workers. And I was like, I'm going to win this gold medal. And having my coach, Jason Crushfield with me, man. You know you couldn't lose it would be that.

Listen, it's impossible. It was impossible then, and it's impossible. Now, he comes to my fights now. I make sure that he got tickets and stuff. But Jason, when I tell you, like a mass scientist with boxing, and not only that, he was a mass scientist with me, he knows how my brain work. He knows what to say, when to say it. He knows how to communicate with me even if I can't hear.

If I can't see, if, listen, they give me holding up covering my eye because I can't see. And they'd be like, how many fingers you got up? He'll figure out a way to make me say two, even though I don't see nothing. Like, he just is a mad scientist, and I mean, the way that he trained me, the belief that we had in each other really made my first Olympic run. I mean, it was hard. Don't get me wrong, but we dominated, you know, and I always say we because I don't think I could have done it without him. And before my grandmother passed, she told me, she said, whatever you do, you keep on listening to that Jason. She always told me, you always listen to him.

Even though when I was having a bad time or I was in a bad mood, she said, whatever Jason say, that's what you do. Always listen to Jason. My grandma was a big, she was a big advocate of him. Did you, you lost the amateur, but that was before the Olympics or after the Olympics? Before. That was in China? China.

China, she went out, China. But he didn't go then. Nope, he couldn't make it for financial purposes. They had no money. But let me ask you a question. Had he been there, do you believe you lose that fight? No, I don't believe I would have lost. Because we wouldn't do our homework.

We wouldn't know how tall she was. We wouldn't know who was the judges. He made sure he did his homework all the time. And we always had a game plan. You know, he never let me get comfortable. He was like, yeah, this fight was good, but next fight you got to fix X, Y, Z. You know, so. But you know what?

Even though I feel like I didn't lose that fight against her in the amateurs, I feel like it was needed. I never asked God to be undefeated and to win a goal. medal. You got to be very specific with your prayers. I asked God that I said, listen, I want a chance to fight for an Olympic gold medal. I didn't say I wanted to be undefeated or unscathed or anything. I just say I want to fight for the gold medal. So this was a tournament before the Olympic gold medal. And I feel like, well, before the Olympics. So I feel like had I not lost, then I would have lost at the Olympics. So it was like, I can take that defeat because, because it built a different, it built a different fire in me.

Like, it wasn't even just toward her, you know, like towards Savannah. It was like, I literally want to bite off all your heads. Like, I want to get so in shape and I want to get so strong that even when we get to the Olympics that if the ref don't stop the fight, I knock you out. Or I beat you so bad to where you quit. Like, I got in really great shape for the Olympics. And I lost that fight three months before the Olympics. And I mean, for three months, I ran six miles one day, four miles and necks. Six miles next day, four miles and next day.

Six, four, six, four, went to the gym twice a day, sparred four or five times a week. Like, I was a dog, and that's what that lost. Yeah, this is never happened again. That's why now I still train like a dog now. It's like I'm always feeling like training like I'm the underdog. Like I don't, like I have everything to fight for. and nothing to lose. Like, that's how I, that's how I train, you know,

but that happened then. I was like, you know what? It made me a better fighter, and it made me just want to hurt people more, which is part of my job. Seems like you take the most pleasure out of that part right there. Yeah, yeah. People are hitting their face, Shannon.

They get in their face, man. People be talking too much. Listen, listen. They'll be selling the fight, Clarissa. They don't really mean what they be saying. They'll be selling it. to sell it. Mike Tyson said everybody got a game plan so they get hit in the mouth.

And you know what? A lot of these internet folks that be on the internet doing this stuff, they wouldn't be doing that if we can reach through that phone and just give them a... Yeah. Give them a good old one. Do you be wanting to tell some of the people on the internet they glove up? I do. But you know, I have though.

I have. You know, Trow put up on me one time. She got the hands. Hold on, you be... Come on, Carissa. No, man. No, I ain't on the, come on. No, no, I don't, listen, first of all, the gym is a sanctuary.

That's your home. So while I'm training and getting ready, it's the best you keep the internet beef on the internet. Don't ever come to where I'm at, where I'm getting ready for a real world championship fight, fighting for millions of dollars. You want to come up and pull up on me, talking that trash to me face to face. Oh no, you want your ass looking. I'm going to get you just what you want. That woman ain't had no skills though. She said she was a boxing.

She said she could be being in a fight. I'm an astronaut. But you know what, no, this girl had been trolling me for two years. Now, you know when somebody troll you so much that you recognize their face? Yeah. That was a situation like that. It wasn't just no random. So when she pulled up in the gym, you knew exactly who she was.

I said, what the hell is going on to be here? I thought I got set up. I said, man, wait a minute, what's going on? And then I said, I walked right up to her. I said, what the hell are you doing here? She was like, I told you, I'm going to give you that work. I'm coming out. She's like, I'm, she said, I'm here to knock you out.

Let's go. I said, what? In my mind. Speaking of you, you said. Yes. No, in my mind, I was like, what? But I told her off the jump, I wasn't going to spar with her. I said, man, I'm not sparring you, man.

Get out, you know, get out my gym. I'm in the train. I got, and it was a sparring day. I had two dudes there waiting for me to spar with them. I had six rounds in one and three with the other one. I'm like, man, I don't know about spar you gone. I'm going to spar these dudes. And she was like, got the beating their disrespectful of me out.

I started cussing her out and get the ring before I knew it I just feel like well glove on up then I said I ain't got nothing to say go glove on up she gloved up I gloved up fight over 30 seconds you not that I beat the hell out of her she quit she quit I hit her with a big shot she she went down was no she was like covering up I hear with a big body shot and I hit her in the head again then she like started doing something I I don't know if she was like taking a knee or what, but she stopped fighting back. And you know, me as a fighter,

we don't fight folks who don't fight back now. Did I want to grab her and do some more stuff to her? Yes, but the sportsmanship and the classiness in me said, let me let this girl go ahead and live and get on the body here. Yeah, but you know what? I would love to do that to a bunch of girls that were talking trash though.

I mean, if they ever want to come to a gym and spar with me, I'll get in there with him just to make him be like, you disrespect, we need to hear in your mouth. You're not. No, I have mercy. I can't believe you. I can't. I believe it.

I know you do. Shannon, we live in a world today. Too many folks is okay with being disrespectful. Too many folks. Yeah, they are. And I'm in a sport that where, listen, you talk it, then you walk it. That's what opponents do. I don't even want to talk trash back and forth with you.

We ain't going to fight. It don't even make sense. That's why a lot of the internet beef I'm like, you know what? Let me go on here and just sit this one out because she's not going to fight me. She's going to get on here every day, make subliminals, make posts, talk trash. She ain't really trying to see me. No, she ain't trying to see me. Because when I take this jacket off, these traps and everything by big as yours.

Like you know that right now. You see my shoulders. Yeah. Yeah. You win the first American woman to win Olympic gold medal at 17. Yeah. I brought it too. I keep my stuff on me.

That's that gold, baby. Yeah. Uh-huh. This was in London in 2012. Yeah. And then you go back to follow it up in Rio. Yeah. That's Rio, uh-huh.

Yeah. And they're heavy. That's my own wearing them. Yeah. Keep them in that purse. And that's Chanel. So did you, uh, when you get, did you go back, so you go back to school and you're a gold medal?

Yeah, about in the 12th grade. Mm-hmm. You were in high school, so you, I mean... I was popular. You were popular? Yeah, I was popular. All the guys were on holiday. They want to holler at you, they said, nah, nah, nah, nah,

they've been trying to holler before the makeup of the hair. Been trying to hollum. Did we try to get at you like that, Carissa? Listen. Oh, so Coco, oh, so that's why you're gonna. Coco had him hot. Coco was hot, you know. But no, I was always too, like, I was like, up in school, I was the jock, I was in

honest classes, I was a smart kid, I was famous, I had a documentary crew following me around. So it was more of a, everybody knew me. and I was still at the time I was at the time only thing I was confident about was boxing so I spoke highly about about boxing how I knock people out beat them up but I wasn't into the whole the glam to real clothes and air yeah because I wasn't a gym full of guys

and all we cared about is who got around the track faster right who sweated the most who hit the butt back harder and who won and sparring that's what we cared about we didn't nobody was like oh rest you didn't have you to have a your lashes done today or rest you got you know um you like oh you're sweaty and like your hair's in the afro nobody nobody cared i mean they had seen me look that look that same way from the time i was 11 so i was 17 i mean i went to ellenbrice and wore the queen latipa cleo braised the vet like i wasn't trying to be no glam model i was just trying to try to try to fight and win that's all that really matters to me but your coach wouldn't allow you'd have a boyfriend

No. No. You wanted the boyfriend? I had a boyfriend. Oh, how you poured that off what I didn't know it? Well, I'm lying. Duh. Well, I think of my biopic, I had, the boyfriend I had, we had been a guest since I was 15, 16, so I was probably about 22, 21.

Damn, that was a long time. I was a relationship type person. I mean, hey, he was with you when, you, you was, I mean. Yeah, but you know how to you. young boys is. Y'all the same age. But you know how these young boys is? Oh.

And like I said, I was very stern. I don't play down to that. And I'm always too like a girl like, if it's ever a thing between me and another woman, I'm always tell you to go with the other woman. Yeah. Because the fact that you thought about that, you thought about me with another woman in your mind, you thought about, oh, who should I pick? Please don't pick me, because I'm a doggy.

Yeah, I'm a dog. You just, oh, you think you like me and her? me and her, you want to flirt with me and her, you want a lot of both of us? Oh, yeah. I'm a doggy. Oh, come on. Don't be like that. Nuh.

Gotta give it to them how they want it. But that's why I was like, I'm more of a, I can't be no, I found out early on that I can't be a pimp. Like, I can't be like a girl to have multiple guys and date them. You're a one guy-woman. That's it. I don't want to have multiple men, and I don't want multiple men having me. And having somebody else.

Like, no. And you're going to feel some type of weight? I don't know. I'm going to get rid of you. I'll play that. It's me or, look, it's me or nothing. Okay, so you like me, we together, and we're making this work. If you want to go out and cheat and stuff, I'm like, we don't, we don't got to be exclusive because I'm turning down all type of people.

Yeah, yeah, because they try to get it Coco, too. Now, I just do what you know. You know, I could have the roster, too, but I chose you. But exactly. So that's why I'd be like, back then, I was. I was like, no, this ain't, this ain't that. So he was there at the beginning, but he just... Did he try to come back?

I ain't going to put his business out there. Yeah, he's trying to go back. He's got to come back. But you know what? I don't think that no guy who I've ever been with has not... I've always broken up with them. I've never got broken up with. I've always broken up with them.

So I feel like no God I've ever been what has ever been like, oh, if I tried to get back with them or they want to get back with me, like they always tried to. So, I mean, but I don't blame me. I'm fine as hell. Fine as hell, popping, you know, thick, you know what I'm natural. I don't blame him. Are you the first person in your family to graduate high school?

No. My mom graduated. My grandmother, my aunt. Out of my siblings, I'm the first. Out of my siblings. And my little brother got his GED. He's the youngest. Right.

And I believe my older brother, got his GED when he was in prison, because he did, he did a bid too. So, I mean, you're the first, I mean, think about it, you're the first of your siblings to get a high school, and you mentioned the others that going back and get a GED. But with that, well, that was not something that you said you're the second oldest. That's not something that you're thinking about at the time. You had a singular focus, the Olympics. The Olympics, uh-huh.

And school is just a part of the, you know, I got, okay, I'm here, I'm going to get my high school or my high school diploma, but the main goal, your main goal, your main goal, focused and you said you were honest to it. So seemingly school came easy to you. Yeah, except for what was it, science. I never understood science. Okay. But everything else came pretty easy. Listen, I would get all A's and B's and get like a D in science. Damn. A C in science. Like I think the highest I got on a GPA, I got a three point, I got a B one time. So I got a three point, three point eight. And I was trying to get a four point in this specific market period because I just, like, Like, this is the, this is the, I'm going to get it.

I'm going to get it. And I got a 3.8 because I got a freaking B and science. So I just was like, yeah, science sucks. It ain't for me. Yeah, no. You mentioned earlier that you fought your grandmother, you know, you fought for equal pay. Hell, I'm doing equal. I'm boxing.

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I think that was to get twice more than what we got, yeah. And you're like, no, that's ain't right. Well, I was winning every tournament. So that didn't make sense to me. Yeah. And you don't really know what the other guys are making until you ask them. Right. So when I found that out, I just was like, huh?

So going back from my second Olympic gold medal, I let them know that I wouldn't go back unless these things changed. And they were all four because they knew they kind of needed me to win a gold medal. Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't think USA boxing has had an Olympic gold medalist before me since 2008, which was Andre Ward. Or was it for, 2004 Andre Ward? I mean, well, we had some bronze medal, some silvers, but goals. But goals. Yes, we don't put gold.

Yeah, yeah. I had got 2012 and 2016. I'm the only gold for those years. Right. And, you know, USA boxing, we used to be the bees, knees. Listen, I think Chaucor Stevenson should be an Olympic gold medalist. I was there. I seen the fight.

He went against the Cuban, and I think Chacora is a better fight than a Cuban. But he came out with the silver. But in my mind, Shakur is, like, bomb.com. Like, this dude can really fight. in shape, he's focused, and he was just young, but I felt that he won the fight. I thought he won the fight, but it was so close. Right.

You know, but I felt like Chouroa won it, and he should not if anything, even though he got the silver, in my mind, he's an Olympic champion. But we're seeing him Rob, too. Roy Jones just got his medal back from the 88. Yeah, I saw that. That was crazy. I mean, I remember watching that fight. May I and Roy beat that man?

No, he did, which is like... It wasn't even close, though. I don't... But it was in Seoul. And he happened to be, like, he had to be Korean. Was that so Korea? Yes. Wow, man. Yes.

But, you know, stuff like that, I just can't believe it. Even with May wasn't, you know what I'm saying, getting to bronze. But that was in the U.S., that was in Atlanta. Yeah, in Atlanta, mm-hmm. But that's what I'm saying, like, for me, people don't even understand, like, how terrified I was. I had just, to me, got robbed right before the Olympics. And now I'm going to the Olympics, and I'm like, oh, God, these girls, this taller, they bigger, they're more known, like, what I'm going to do?

Yeah, and they're older. You're 17. Yeah, I think. You ain't fighting no more teenagers than women, 20s, and the 20s, and you're fighting them. 20s, 30s. A girl I fought against for the Olympic gold medal 2012, she was 34. I was 17. Theoretically, she's old enough to be your mom.

Really? Yeah. But she was strong, though. That's when I was like, ooh, these older women got some strength on them. I'm like, she got the old woman stripped. Hey, you know when they grab it, you're like, hold up. They were, she was strong. So what's your game?

Okay, you go in there and you're fighting a lady that's double your age. Your coaches, so what was your game playing in the gold medal? You're like, okay, I've gotten through all, this is for the gold medal. This is everything, this is everything that I prayed for. This is everything that I've hoped for, and this moment is here now. So were you calm, were you relaxed? So give me your thought process up leading to that gold medal match. I was very focused.

I was calm and I was ready. I knew that the girl I was fighting against had hammer fist she could punch but I also knew too I was fast lightning I know I had really good head movement

and I knew that if I got in the right distance and range with her I would be more stronger than her than her against me right so I went in there and just coach told me to have fun

he said have fun and beat her up and I went there and I had fun And I beat her up, but I remember the first round, she called me with a shot. And I remember, oh, that's it? Yeah. But she had been putting girls down at the Olympics.

She had been dropping them. Yeah. Getting an eight counts on them. And then she hit me, and I kind of shook my head a little bit. I'm like, ooh, it's good. And I was like, oh, yeah. She won't fight. She thinks she's just big like that.

And I said, okay, but the way that her punches were coming so slow. You can see them. By the time she threw two punches, I already had landed before. Six. So I'm like, I'm just going to light her up and then sit on summer. When I started sitting on them, it was over. Yeah, 17. But man, I'm telling you, like, that girl was strong.

I wonder what she's doing now. Toilipova. So what country you think have the best fighters? America. Really? America has the best fighters. Even women, even women? America.

Wow. Now, if we talk about a lot of these American girls sometimes, time they don't show up on those big cities. In those big moments. Yeah, you know, when you've got the world championships and the Olympics, these girls won't show up, but they'll turn pro and become world champions. You know, I think America has girls who are tough, slick,

great upbringing, and we have a great USA boxing program to help us get prepared to win these tournaments. I think that the other girls in other countries, they just, I don't know, maybe they're used to those bigger moments or something, But I feel like as far as in skill and everything, I feel like America has the best fighters. And then I have to say, second is the UK. And we all know Kay Taylor from Ireland, you know, but the UK and Ireland kind of, you know, but yeah, I guess my top three.

But, you know, the thing is that amateur boxing, Olympic boxing is different than pro boxing. Way different. And so you, I mean, because you see, like, some of these guys that, like, didn't have great amateur background become world champ and you see some Olympic champions don't do nothing in pro well I think that all comes with are you a complete fighter okay you know I'm saying I knew when the amateurs in emmergers like before I learned about the point system idea used to sit down more on my punches and pick my shots more right well then you get to the Olympics and all they care about is who's

landing the most points and who has the effect of punching so you have to I have to fight the point system in order for you to win a fight. Now when you turn pro, it's back to how I was at the beginning, which is more taking my time, sitting on my punches. But I've been doing something else for the past six, six, seven years. So I have to switch that to turn pro, and then you have to adjust to no head gear in the pro. Yes.

Is that a big difference? What? Because what do you see it? I mean, you're peripheral. You can see more with the head gear off. Okay. But you feel more too. Oh, absolutely.

You know, you see amateurs getting there and fight on the inside and thought this combination. You're not going to see that in the pros because you got, you got headbutts, you got, I mean, you got elbows, you got, listen, I got hit with a shoulder in pro boxing. Right. A shoulder. Right. You know, she was doing something in it, and I came in, that girl, and hit me my job with her damn shoulder. So. You ever get mad in there?

Now, oh, oh, you, oh, you, oh, you're doing that. Now, okay. I don't get mad at the ring. You got to control it up. I may look mad, but I'm not. I'm actually very happy and want to show off my skills and show you what I got, you know,

but I know that I'm very strategic, so I know that once you get mad, you can't really think. So I don't think I've got mad in a professional fight since my pro debut, but that's because she kept pushing me on the floor. Damn. Yeah.

But that's what she... Well, she must have been really strong. She pushed you down, Clarissa. She was rough. But it was like, you know, you sitting there throwing punches. And then you just see somebody just go, boom. So I was like, what the hell?

I thought he was punching. Hey, did you tell, Ralph, you're not going to say anything? Yeah, that's when I got mad. Last time I got mad, like, Ralph, hello? Last year, the big story in the Olympics was the Algerian, Amani Khalith. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Transgender.

Is it a transgender? That's what I, I mean, she's benefited her whole life as well. If I'm reading it correctly, she's identified her whole life as a female, as a woman. I think she was born with the X, Y, chromosome. Both parts or something like that? Yes. So the reason why I, why I steer clear away from this, because nobody knows the facts. Right.

But I don't believe that in boxing, amateur or professional that they will let, in the average, that they will let a male fight against women. I just don't believe that. I believe that the story was taking out of proportion. All the facts weren't there, and that's what we got. But imam Khali fights like a girl. She does. And I say that just like not to just, like she's a gold medalist too. So I said it to say like if she's always fought against these girls, why now is it being changed?

Yes. Her whole life she grew up fighting against women. Yeah, and now all of a sudden. Yeah, so to me, I feel like we would have to go there to actually see her and talk to her and hear what she has to say about it, but I don't think that she identifies as a man.

Ever identified as a man, correct? Yeah, I think that she's a girl, and that's why now people say, oh, that they want her to turn prone and fight against me or whatever, whatever. But she, from what I know, it's a girl for what I know

going to an Olympics obviously when you go to the Olympics you make the American team and all these the NBA Michael Phelps is there you meet LeBron Jane I mean I think you walk next to LeBron

Yeah Kevin Durant Alder KD So what is it like to meet Like man I'm most popular I mean everybody know who these these men are these people are

So what was that like What was that moment like for you walking in the opening ceremony? Honestly, I had thought to myself, and this was such a surreal moment. I thought to myself when I seen LeBron and everybody, I thought to myself, I said, yo, I'm with the best athletes in the world. And then the dawned me and said, ding dong, you are here to fight to be one of the best athletes in the world. And that's when it hit me like, yo, I'm really a big deal. I know I thought I was stuff then.

But I don't really have this stuff now. Right. Yeah. Let me. You are muscular woman, shape. Like you said, you got shoulders, you got body. I'm sure you've been criticized. Yeah.

What's, I mean, I'm a woman. People is crazy from women because. They don't want you to be a bean pole. They want you to be 105 pounds. They want you to be 120 pounds and be a Victoria's Secret model. What are they? I don't. I really get confused because I feel like maybe it's a preference, but I'm built like the bodies that these girls in, that these girls are getting and buying.

Oh, yeah. You know, I'm thick at the bottom. I got a big butt and nice legs. I got a slim waist. Yeah. I may not be too big in the chest, but I don't want to be big in the chest because I can move my arms. Yeah. But my back and everything is strong because of my sport.

Yes. But when I put on a dress, I look just as feminine, just as just as. Just is pretty just as fine. So I don't really get, I think the criticism come from haters or come of people that's jealous. Yeah. Or wish that they were me or something. Which they had a body like you. Serena went through the same thing.

I've seen it first hand. Serena, Serena, like, oh, she looked like a man or she looked like this. Serena was very muscular. I saw Serena when she was probably in her early 20s and she was, I mean, she was in shape and shape. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

And now, I guess, you know, now they're like, well, I don't know, where people, people just say, oh, she, she looked like a man. and she all this and now she's done a 180 with a body and everybody's like well I don't know why she did that I like the old body well this her body let me they always got something to say you know when I was fighting at 154 pounds I was literally all muscle like I don't think I had no body fat because it wasn't anybody fat left to be there right so then I go to 160 my body was kind of still the same now 68 75 I don't got I had to put on some muscle, my legs and got a little bigger.

I got a little wider in the waist and stuff. And it's more of a, this is what I have to do for the weight classes. Yeah, you move up your weight. It's hard, yeah. Right, but I only look really, I don't know, I don't, to me, I don't look strong like you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean,

I look strong, I look in shape, but I'm not like yeah, nah, no. But they try to make it seem like that. You look very feminine. Yes. You are a, I mean, women athletes, they have bodies, they have muscle, and they need that to have functionality. Yeah. So when I hear that stuff, as long as I look at the mirror and I like what I see, that's what makes me happy. People say that I look like I'm like 140.

I said, that's a beautiful compliment. But I walk around at 180, 185 pounds. You know what I'm saying? I know that I'm stacked. And when it comes to the fight, I lose my weight or whatever. but I like walking around with my meat and having my, having my stuff. Your man like it. Oh, Pap love it.

Okay. I was telling him that I'm going to fight at 160. He was like, no, you're not. I'm for real. He's like, no, we're not going on 160. I mean, but as you get, oh, as you start, as we start to age, it gets harder to take that weight off. Are you really trying to go back down to that weight? If the competition is there, but that's nothing but a diet and nutrition team and just a bit.

and just a bit more running. But when I have a fight locked in and I have a goal at hand, age doesn't get in the way. I've been working out my entire life. So it's actually easy for me to lose weight. It's all about, am I going to lock in and focus and make the sacrifices to lose the weight.

But I went down to 154 and lost 35 pounds of six weeks. So, hey. Damn. Boss. But when you want to make history, I became the fastest boxer to be three-time uninterspy champion, in the least fights. Yes.

So I did that, but the sacrifice was I had to lose 35 pounds in six weeks. Is there, is there, a heavier? You're the heavy, I mean, you're heavyweight, so there ain't know where you can go. So now, basically. 175 and 175 plus is different. Right. So you can go up another, you can take it, you can get another weight, you can get another division?

Not at, well, me and Daniel Perkins fought at 175 plus. Right, okay. So that's heavyweight. Right. But then it's weird because, all right, we got different organizations, right? And for the WBC, they call 175 heavyweight. But then other organizations call 175 light heavy. So it's like when me and her fault, we fought at 175 plus because the contract was at 180 because Danielle was a big girl.

I came and way in 173, Danielle came in weighing at 178 and we fought. for the heavyweight underfield championship. Well, if you walk around at 180, 185, she walked around at 190 and 195, maybe two. Danielle Perkins is huge. Daniel Perkins is huge. And like, listen, I love that girl, okay? But when I was like,

we was facing all for stuff, I'm like, yo, I didn't know she was big for it. Like, somebody ain't telling me something. Hold up. I'm looking at her, too, like, and then she's so calm and trying to be all nice to them. I'm like, don't be nice to me.

I'm gonna beat you up. And she's just like, Clarissa, we're good. I'm like, Mm-mm. I ain't know how hard you're about to hit me. We is not cool. But no, she,

me fighting against her, let me know, like, yo, even though I only came away in 173 for our fight and I rehydrated practice like 1 to 180, it was like, yo,

I was able to handle her strength, handle her size, and everything about her was tough her bones was hard she was tall she was strong she was quicker than what I thought I mean Danielle Perkins was I understand why she only got six fights

people say oh she only had five fights when we fought ain't nobody trying to see her don't nobody want to fight her when I watched her fight and some of her fights these girls came in very confident the first second third round but then you got to the fourth round and you see these girls is like

tired and then they face started getting bloodied up and bruised and I'm like this girl punching me this girl is punching for real and then these girls end up quitting or she stop them and I'm like yeah I gotta watch out for this one

and that was the only one who I fought so far who I said I gotta watch off for this one because she was everybody else you feel like you going in the ring you're like I'm confident I got you well I'm like I had her too but not I was like I had to watch her I'm like I can't slip up in here

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