Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - G Herbo Part 2

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! G Herbo joins Shannon Sharpe on Club Shay Shay for a raw and powerful conversation about his life, music, and journey from Chicago’s East Side to rap superstardom. As he celebrates his birthday and the release of his new album Lil Herb, he opens up about the hunger that fueled his rise—from a 15-year-old kid rapping in the streets to one of hip-hop’s most authentic voices. Lil Herb takes fans back to his teenage years—growing up surrounded by violence, losing close friends, and navigating Chicago’s East Side. He recalls playing basketball at local parks, chasing dreams of going D1 before life pushed him toward music. Idols like Derrick Rose and comparisons to “Nick the Quick” gave him hope, but rap became his purpose. Even after playing in a celebrity basketball game with Drake, J. Cole, 21 Savage, and Chris Brown—where his team beat Drake and Savage’s squad a few times—he wouldn’t trade his career for anything. Herbo credits Chris Brown, Future, Meek Mill, Young Thug, and Juice WRLD as inspirations who pour their souls into every record. He explains his creative process—freestyling in his head before recording—and opens up about surviving Chicago’s streets: dropping out of school for safety, carrying a gun at 14, and getting shot at 16. Reflecting on King Von and Juice WRLD, he shares emotional stories about loss, survivor’s guilt, and grief. His best friend’s death led to heavy drinking and depression until a tough-love wake-up call changed his life. Support from 21 Savage and mentors like Common helped him heal. He also credits Chance the Rapper and Common for teaching him the importance of knowledge and growth. Chief Keef inspired his move to L.A., and Nicki Minaj jumpstarted his career with a feature that led to tours with Future, Cam’ron, and T.I. Herbo opens up about therapy, insomnia, and substance abuse, explaining how his nonprofit gives kids access to mental health support. He admits wasting time chasing the streets instead of the studio, but he’s proud of his growth. Approaching 30, he talks fatherhood, co-parenting, and love—raising his kids with honesty and empathy while keeping his relationship with fiancée Taina grounded. Before wrapping, he crowns his Chicago rap lineup—Chief Keef, Kanye West, Lil Durk, and Juice WRLD—and explains why Juice’s impact mirrors Tupac and Biggie. He closes by breaking down his Lil Herb album cover, a reminder of how far he’s come since his first mugshot at 11.From pain to purpose, trauma to triumph, G Herbo’s interview with Shannon Sharpe is one of his most honest yet—a story of survival, growth, and legacy that cements his place among Chicago’s greats.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you for coming back. Part 2 is underway. Savage, 21 Savage, he did a tribute. I know you're a very good friend with Savage. What did that mean to you? Man, just, I ain't going to lie. Savage, one of the realest niggas I ever met in life, for real. He's so solid, bro.

and it's because like my friends my brothers became his brother and vice versa right i'm saying like when he lost like people that he lost like when he lost skinny and cj them you feel i'm saying like that shit you know it made me feel i sat down with him you guys personality y'all y'all y'all i can see how y'all guys became friends yeah no for sure we both leavers too you know what i'm saying yeah that's my brother like like like how we locked in like like like how we locked in like like I'm seeing how he really take care of his people. Yes. And he cared about his brothers.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I do the same thing. Right. He was seeing that. So it's like, when I'm coming to Atlanta, I'm really only going around him. Right. I'm hanging around him and his homies. Like, sometimes he's not even coming outside.

I'm with his man's number. Right. So it's like they really became my brothers and vice versa the same way. Like he come to Chicago. Like he was just in Chicago. He was in my hood with my homies. I wasn't there. Right.

Like, we really got that type of love and mutual respect for each other. You feel me? It's like when he saw what that did to me, like, with a little bro, it's like, that shit really hurt him too. You called me about it. Like, man, whatever you need. Like, anytime any situation happened with somebody, with me or anything, like, he called him, like, whatever you need, call me, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I still, I'm not going to hit him for sure. That's my brother, you know, but it's like, I know for a fact he, he there for me.

And in any situation, he's going to be there, you feel I'm saying? Like, I talked to bro down there every day. Right. When Chief Keefe moved to L.A., was that when you felt that you needed to make the move to me? Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. That was goaded. I talk about that so much, bro. Like, when Sosa moved to L.A., it just made it possible for us.

Like, damn, you could just go to Cali and ain't got to look over your shoulder no more. That was the coldest shit ever to me. Like, I didn't even really like, and that's crazy. We were just so, like, young and dumb and naive to how much life is at. outside of Chicago. Right. I'm saying. We're like, damn, social just moved to LA and got a big-ass mansion.

Like, I couldn't wait to do that shit. As soon as I what Uncle Erroy said when I got that check, I was gone. Yeah, I changed. As soon as I got a chance to move to LA, I was up. Right. I'm like, damn, bro, social just started a whole new life here. Like, he don't even got to, like, think about that shit no more. Right.

You don't got to look over your shoulders, none of that. Like, when we moved to LA, it's not even like how LA was, for real. Like, I mean, how LA is now. I feel like COVID kind of Frile up where it's like... Yeah. I think it's getting robbed and certain shit. That shit wasn't going on like that when we first came here. Like, I've been in L.A. for like seven years.

Sosa been here like 10, 11, some shit like that. You feel me? So, like, when he first moved to L.A., like, I was like, damn, I can't wait. Right. When he made that move, it was like... And Sosa always been the blueprint for, like, certain niggas might not say it, but, like, I'm going to always get bro his flowers. Like, he really the...

greatest thing to happen to Chicago, in my opinion, like... Would you have been to left Chicago? Had he not moved to L.A.? No. Hell no. I wouldn't even know what to do. I wouldn't have knew. They're like, he could just leave and go.

Like, you feel what I'm saying? Like, I would have had to see it, like, to see it to believe it. You know what I'm saying? Like, he moved to L.A. I'm like, damn, that shit hard. You feel I'm saying? Like, and as soon as I got a chance to, I did it, you know what I'm saying? Like, just...

The best thing you've done. Hell yeah. And like, I feel like it's same. life for real for real for real like moving to LA 100% saved my life you know I'm saying like when Sosa got all that money Sosa was 16 with real millions of dollars right I'm saying like I was 16 with some money I had a couple hundred thousand millions of dollars at 16 years old you know right so it's like his life was different you know like he had the big mansions the cars like he was

really like the inspiration for us and my homie who I was saying cap like my homie Marvin who I was saying was like cocky on the block where he told us not the Right. That was one of Sosa best friends. They grew up together. They from the same project. So that's how I knew Sosa. Like when I first started rapping was around the time, he started rapping and we really like was homies, you know what I'm saying? Like Sosa is somebody who I really consider my brother and it's somebody that still like even though we the same age, he always inspired me. You know what I'm saying like motivating me like all right. So that was your first interaction with him because one of your partners was his partner. That's how y'all met. Y'all leads up. interactions was in the studio together okay really okay like we like 15 years right I'm saying I started he had his own basically kind of like his own studio in his hood with uh with like his homies and his engineer and we just came in and like pay for studio time there you feel because my homie like cap and Wop who brothers who grew up with Sosa they like referred us like man y'all should go record right there just pay for the studio time

and we would come like Sosa be recording when he, of course, he was always the first priority. So it's like, when he done recording, then we get studio time. So, like, that's how we really met. Wow. You said Nikki Minaj was really the first one to give you an opportunity. She wanted a feature. Yeah.

But when she called you, you ain't answered the phone. No, I ain't believe it. So she called your phone. You're like, she said, would she say her name? She was, no, she was. So, look, she didn't, the original call, it wasn't her on the phone. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

It was Safari them on the phone. They called. So when they hit us, it was like four in the morning. I'm in the studio. I'm Halve Lane and Pills and all type of bullshit. Okay. They're like, yeah, man, Nicky them trying to get you to come to Atlanta and do no verse. I'm doing a verse.

Like, this Nicky them team on the phone, you want to talk to him? I'm like, man, hell, no, ain't no fucking Nicky them, bro. Like, man, go on with that shit. Like, that's what I told my manager. Like, bro, he's like, you want to talk to him on the phone? I'm like, man, no, I know that's nothing. Like, man, you're tweaking. Because at that point, we hot.

So people call and playing on the phone all the time. So it's like, oh, man, that ain't them, bro. They called back like two, three years later. I mean, not two three years, two days later. Two days later, like, what the fuck y'all doing? Like, we're trying to put you all on the plane at L.A. to come through this song. So then I wound up talking to them on the phone for real. Like, I bet.

No, they're serious. And I got on the plane and I did the verse. And she was just telling me, like, how she fucked with my music. And, like, she wanted to do the song, the beat that she had. she wanted to do the song like with my cadis you know i'm saying like that's why like i'm always fuck with nicky and respect niggie because she was like i'm trying to use your cadence and your flow and i ain't want to feel like i was like biting like biting your flow of swaggerjackie even though she's a female and i'm a male like it really matter she right i ain't

want to feel like i was using your flow and not show love and put you on the record and at that that time like i wasn't really like a real like i felt i could rap But I wasn't like a real MC where I would have called it. Like, if she needed to put that song out without hitting me, I wouldn't have been like, oh, she stole my flow on this shit. I wouldn't even notice, because it's Nicky Minais. I wouldn't even thought about it. Damn, she used in the same pockets that I'd be in.

I didn't know that much about lyrics and pockets and shit. Like, I used to just go and rap. Like, everybody used to say I'll rap off beat when I first started rapping because I would just go, like, you know, there's one bar, two bar, bar, three by, four bars. And it's a different pocket or cadence on the beat that classifies was one to four bars. I wouldn't start on the one.

Sometimes I'll start on the two. Sometimes I would start on the three and just rap. So people would say I was off beat. Technically, I was, but I was fitting a whole bar into that, like a whole sentence into it where it still made sense. So it's like some people hated me for it. Some people love me for it, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I never would have noticed anything, you feel me?

But she pulled me out there and I did the verse with her in the studio. She had me in the studio with me, I mean, with her. And I spent, like, a whole day with her. Like, yeah, we was just chilling and talking and shit like that. And her studio was big as shit. So, I first started, like, record part of my verse in the booth. And she's like, all right, y'all want to do something real quick. I'm trying to do, like, she told me she was going to do something, like, for her verse.

Right. And work on another song. So she, like, it's another studio, another booth over. I've never seen no shit like that. Damn. She's like, yeah, you can record on the other side. I'm like, damn, it's the other side? Like I couldn't believe this shit

Like that's really inspiring Like boy it's a lot of money out here You gotta go get this shit You know what I'm saying Like and after I did I went home And just turned me into like a monster Like I made after I did that video

I probably made like A half a million dollars Just grinding Just like I'm going to do shows I'm doing shit I was young as hill Like I'm probably like 16, 17 years old You got bread like that?

I wasn't no longer No older than 18 hell Yeah I made a lot of money After I did that song I really credited it to her her because she just made like well I got a song Nicky Minaj I got to go get all the money that's out there I did it is that how you got a tour with Cam Cameron future and Ti so that how you got on with them because you did the first yeah I did um I was on really I did

got a shout to Johnny Shipes man that's my brother he managed me for about a year and a half and he had put me on the Smokers Club tour so that's how I really had met I met cam and um I met Tia we went to Atlanta for that tour okay I'm saying like that's when I first met him and it was just like brief like just in passing chopped it up with him told him my name and shit like that and then when he came to Chicago the next time he linked up with me yeah hey yeah I fuck with him he's solid I mean I mean uh cam I mean look I ain't heard nothing good I met cam once at a at a CU game but every artist that that you hear talk

about cam they say what a straight what a solid do no can I mean I've never heard an artist say anything negative by cam like what you see is what you get he won't with you yeah all the time yeah cam did some real shit too when i was on tour um on the smokers club tour i was like i think i was probably like the first opening act and he was headlining wow i was first it was like two more people after me he like he told shikes them like bro you don't see he turn his up every night you need to make him like co-haired right for me so i went from like the first open an act to headliner with cam just off of him like seeing my show and turning the shit up like

i really kind of i bumped up yeah bumped up a couple acts like yeah if you know you do that you get paid a little yeah yeah yeah i ain't tried to open but i day i might not close but like put your boy closer to the back yeah now for show he's super solid for that we talk about chicago rappers obviously you Kanye keep uh common common common i I think you was trying to, you were going to audition for a barbershop three, right? Yeah, I will. I was talking about that today. So did you, had you ever met Common prior to that?

I did, I did. I had met my first time meeting Common, I believe we was at like an event, like some non-for-profit stuff. I just like introduce myself to him. And then the second time we met, me, him and Chance had a song that was going on my mixtape. And Mickey, my manager, put it together. Like, he, I had already new chance, so I had put chance on the record. And then he reached out the comment team, put comment on the record. And comments so solidly, he pulled up, shot the video on 87th and Stoney, like, in his old hood, for real.

Like, he was super solid. And I just always, like, damn, he had real, like, he had real one. So when I did the audition for the barbershop for the script, I had already had his info. And they told me, like, comment in the movie. I'm like man I ain't ever read no script before bro like I need some help with this shit right it's like he told me to come to his hotel he was staying at the langham downtown I'll never forget and like I'm like damn man this rich's hell this big ass was big ass hotel room man shit was huge coming there we auditioning for the for well he like helping me with

with the lives he helped me read and it's like it gave me a different kind of respect for him just because he gave me that opportunity to do it. And two, I wasn't, like, I wasn't ready to be an actor yet. Like, I didn't have it in me at that moment. And he was so, like, it went from, all right, yeah, this common big bro to know I'm acting and you acting, like, just like the look, like, because the script I'm reading, I'm having to talk to, like, a gangster, you know what I'm saying?

It's like his whole everything. His whole demeanor change. The whole demeanor change was, like, he really transformed. He locked in. And I'm in my head, like, what the fuck, can he do that? It was crazy to me, bro. And it's like, it made me uncomfortable, because I'm like, all right, bro, snap back real quick.

So we get better talking like we were. Yeah, yeah, you feel what I'm saying? It's like, but he helped me. I did it. I put it in. And I didn't get the role, though. Right. I didn't get the road because I just, I couldn't lock in into that.

Like, I couldn't. But I just, I'm always fuck with bro because he really, he told me like, man, come here. I'm trying to help you with this shit. What's some of the best advice Carmen gave you? Because obviously he's in the rap game, but he does more in the TV and the film industry now. But what's some of the advice did he pass along to you?

That day, that exact day he told me, like, bro, you got to always, like, gather information, like, read on stuff. Like, you know what I'm saying? Before you make a decision, like, read, learn about it, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what he told me that. And it was like, it had nothing to do with acting, though.

Right. he's talking about like music you know what I'm saying being an artist like he like read articles about like label shit you know what I'm saying like read articles about the touring like that like read articles about the touring business you know what I'm saying like read the dictionary like shit like they like well if you really want to be a lyricist and he said that because he had put me on his album right before that and that shit got nominated for a Grammy too he put me on his album and the project the the beat that we did was produced by no ID and he was just like bro like you young but like you're a real emcee like a spitter he like the more knowledge you get

is just gonna make you better as an artist like better as a rapper and I listen though I ain't gonna lie like I read a lot of shit now like I ain't gonna lie like I read a lot of shit and I be reading like I read a dictionary I be trying to learn new words like from that point on and my homie's no like seeing my homie manski he had contests to it like he like bro that would be reading a dictionary all type of shit like I go to Google and just try to learn new words before I start rapping and I feel like that make it like it just elevate where it's like you're not rapping about the same shit you know what I'm saying it can't nobody really teach you that but a MC for real MC for real you know

I'm saying so yeah shout out the big bro man I got a lot of love for cover for sure You did a song with Kanye, but I don't think it came out. How many times Kanye is known for making guys redo their verse over and over and over. Rose told the story that he had him do a verse. He said, what you mean, Rosa ain't hard? But he said, hey, Ross, I know you go harder than that. Yeah. He did that to me for sure.

He made me redo my verse about three times for sure on that one record. I think I did two records for Kanye that didn't come out. Right. I pulled up on them in the studio and I sing like, so basically like, how he record or work on certain projects, like, it's just live mics. I had all of us in here right now, everybody just doing cadets. Right. Rap and saying shit is live mics.

So there's so much going on, this shit kind of like got confusing. Right. You feel me? I'm like, I ain't ever seen it before. He freestown and he asked me like, I hit something, say four bars, eight bars, and I'm like, all right, I try, but I don't even know, like, what we've basically rapping on. It's there in an a cappella, all type of shit. So I ended up getting the song. He's like, man, I'm going to just sing you it. And I want you to record your verse

to it. So I recorded my verse in like New York, sent it back, told me to redo it again, like change so much stuff. And I sent it. The final verse that I sent though is like super fire, like hard, hard, hard. I wish I could really like call him and just get the shit. Like, you don't even got to be on it. Give me my verse and I'm going to redo that shit and put it out right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's one of the way. I'm saying. the hardest verses i feel like i spit for sure though man one thing i learned in this in this business though like when you do stuff and it might not work out or come out like you can't really take it personal right i didn't like fault Kanye or nothing like that i feel like damn i did all this

shit and he didn't put the song out like i didn't really care i was just really grateful for the opportunity and grateful to like be able to get in the studio with him and just do so rappers do get upset if they get on the track and they don't they don't a lot of rappers get upset about that Hell yeah. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient. Still using yesterday's tech, upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 Carbon,

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or they pull up on you and do shit, but it's all art, it's all creativity. And a lot of times, for a lot of artists, it'd be out of their hands. I wouldn't say that for me because I've always picked my songs for every project, you know what I'm saying? Or the majority of them,

and then I believe in, like, constructive criticism. So my team around me might be like, no, this is a better song, this is the hit, this, this radio and I never really focused on like radio records and stuff early on in my career so they would have that input but I would really do the body of work for real so but other artists who write who they team pick the whole mixtape or album and like they have no input or they don't you know what I'm saying so it's like that happened a lot you know a lot of times

people just don't make the cut and artists to get mad like they'd start with you for real you know what I'm saying but I never been that artist though like I always just never took a person Like, ah, yeah, it's cool. I ain't really tripping. My first interaction with Kanye was he walked up to me, like, man, you gotta, like, you gotta start, like,

you gotta start dishing these niggas. Stop letting niggas steal your style and steal your flow. And on my head, I'm like, damn, I ain't even know you really listen to me enough for, like, you to say, niggas take my flow, like what my flow is,

and then you're hearing somebody else record, and he's using herbal flow, he using this shit. And that was the first thing he ever said to me. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that just made me, like,

kind of like, oh, yeah, I fuck with you. You were like to me, you know what I'm saying? That was way before I did the records with them or any of this shit, you know what I'm saying? So when it didn't make it, though, I was really just mad that I don't have a verse to use because I don't... Had you asked you for the verse back? No, I didn't. I need to. I'm going to ask you right now.

You ain't send me the verse, and I'm going to put that shit out for sure, like, just my verse because it was fire. I was talking about, like, Chicago shit, like, just a lot of shit that was, like, near and dear to me. Right. You mentioned that you want to wrap on his song through the while. You want to wrap over that? I wind up. I actually winded up doing it. I did it for my project, The Greatest Rapper Alive.

But I was always scared of that simple, though, because it's just like, that's one of the hardest songs ever to me in general. You know what I'm saying? And me being from Chicago and it being a yay, it being that simple. Like some things you just don't want to run up on because the internet going to troll you. Oh, yeah. Right. You, man, hey, herbal could have left that alone. You know what's coming.

If you don't do it right, man, he could have left that alone. Yeah, so certain ones I don't really run up on, but at that time, I had a lot of, like, pain in me, like, built up emotion. My pop's head just died. I was talking about, like, you know, I felt like I couldn't rap on that unless I had something that was, like, super, like, pain driven, like, how he did. You know what I'm saying? From him getting into that car wreck almost losing his life. Like, he rapped about almost losing his life, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I came from a perspective of me rapping about the stuff that I'm enduring at this moment and being successful.

And I ain't going to allow they f*** with it. Right. The fans definitely f*** with it. Well, I'm going to put you on the spot. Give me your four best, Mount Rushmore, Chicago rappers. Uh, shh. I ain't going to accrued myself, though. Okay.

Um. I'm gonna do Sosa, juice world, yay, and I'm gonna do smirk. I could like explain it. I didn't really include myself because I don't really like including myself. Even though I do feel like I'm on a lot of people's Mount Rushmore, if I'm saying, but I'm just talking about me personally. And that got to do with like influence and what you did for the music and like the music industry coming out of Chicago.

So it's like, got to go juice real because he just, he did something phenomenal that nobody really ever did for real. And then Sosa, because just like the impact that he had on us in Chicago and the world and so young doing it. Like Sosa's still one of my favorite artists still, regardless, you know what I'm saying?

Then, yay, that's an undeniable answer. Yeah. And then Smirk is just, what I remind him, the most about dirt is he always been like me watching from the very beginning he always been somebody that like through all adversity or any trials and tribulations he always been able to overcome that shit and reinvent himself like i've seen him reinvent himself so many times and just become one of the biggest artists in the world you feel me like that's one thing like that i admire the most about dirt like outside of his talent you know what i'm saying like that's what

really make him the goat to me because when you come from what we come from and been through the stuff that we've been through is like it's easy to give up it's easy to be like man I'm gonna just keep track like he is switch it all the way up and master that and then if that don't work switch it up master that and just keep elevating you feel me like that's shit like a superpower to me right you compared juice world death to Tupac and baking for your generation why because all of the lives that he influenced while he was here you know what I'm saying like he was somebody that he was like a real global superstar mogul for like the the kids that were like misunderstood and the loss and the

hopeless and stuff like that like you know what I'm saying he gave people like reason to want to live like people who contemplated suicide and stuff like that those were the people that his music touched and when his life was cut so short it devastated so many people you know what I'm saying it devastated a generation of kids if I'm saying the same way being in Tupac devastated a generation of people you know what I'm saying like I wasn't trying to like and people kind of like took that the wrong way yeah I wasn't trying to say like he was as big as big your Tupac like you know what I'm saying right he done as much as big in Tupac I'm talking about the

the effect that it had on a whole generation of people whereas like his music of forever live on and when people die like post humans music post humans it always like go up they become big but like he is is 10 years 20 years 30 years from now like it's still gonna be here you feel I'm saying that's what I meant by that like because the people who loved him so much if they was 10 years old or whatever when they turn 40 years old those songs gonna still touch them yeah the exact same way that he did because they're going to remember his legacy like that's what I meant about it when you got the word that he had tragically passed away from an accident

of hotels yeah um I was in L.A. at the time um and I think my girl called me my girl called me first and told me um and I got mad at her like man what's what the like what the what the what you're talking about she like Jucero just passed away I'm like man he's tripping and just hung up like when like I'd be in disbelief when I'm right in that type of shit I don't it just it throw me for because it's hard when people that you know people that you know they're not supposed to die at 20th then the 20th and then they're 30s that's not supposed to happen we're supposed to be like 75 80 years old well such as such as such had a heart attack and such you don't expect somebody he he was so like he had reached like the height of like so much success

yeah so I'm saying and I feel like he was just reaching his peak like It was his birthday. I think he died six days after his birthday and something like that, you feel me? It's like, that was my little brother, so it really, like, it messed me up mentally, you feel me? And he died on December 8th, I believe. And we were supposed to shot a video on 11,

so I was on my way to him, you know, like, for me him in Chicago, and it's just like, that shit just threw me all the way off when I got the information. And, like, just him being, like, just, he was just like a good-ass kid, bro. Like, for real, like, even the way he died, like, you rich as shit, like, you rich as a you get pulled over by the police and you swallow 50 peels, 40 peels, how old the

fuck many pills he swallowed because he's scared, like, you was going to overcome that shit, real. Them little peels, they ain't give a fuck about that shit, bro. I threw that shit, I want to hear that shit sitting on a counter like, dang. Come get it, for real. Like, bro, I got 50 million. I ain't gonna go to jail for these little dumb ass peels right here. Like, you feel me?

Like, it just let you know, like, how. pure he was like you feel I'm saying he didn't know no better like you know what I'm saying you know the term like God forgive fools and babies that type like he was just like super naive to shit you know what I'm saying that's what I'm saying right that's what

you ain't even have to do that right that shit wasn't about nothing you've told a story a few times about how you had a substance abuse problem you mentioned I think early in the interview that you was 15 you started taking pills and started you know smoking weed you know obviously you know you talked about how you graduated lean and so

you went to twice yeah how difficult is it to come to the realization I got a damn problem man yeah um when it become like your part of your lifestyle for real like so you couldn't function without I couldn't function without it like I had to drink lean every day I had to pop pills I had to do this shit to eat food to like I say I A lot of times, like, I used to really be in rooms and I wasn't there because mentally my brain is somewhere else. I'm high. I'm thinking about shit. I'm grieving, like, just thinking about trauma where it's like I'm just maneuvering through the room.

I might say what's up, introduce myself, but it might be somebody that I probably should have had a conversation with. Right. But I couldn't do it because my mind is somewhere else because I'm altering my brain with these drugs. I'm thinking I need this shit to function, but it's really like. You're masking something. It's making, I'm masking something. you feel like I can't even be in the moment because what's that saying like when you live in the past is grief and we live in the future it's anxiety like I'm never in the moment like

I'm thinking about before I get in this room what's going to happen yeah it's going to play out you feel me instead of just enjoying the moment and I became that person for like so many years you feel me like I used to have to like take zans and perks and shit just to go to sleep like I said like I still right now to this day I have insomnia I don't sleep I've been like that since a kid since 15 years old you feel like and I used to drink a lot of it it don't make it no better when you got money right yeah because you've got access to it you know access to it you from saying so it's like I'm going through pints and pint saline and going through 100 peels a month like yeah for real was bad like a hundred a month a hundred a month

I'm popping four, five pills a day, you know what I'm saying? Like, probably more than that. Did you, because you said you started like, what, 15, was it dealing with the trauma that you saw, you saw your friends, you saw your homies, and they're losing their lives, and you're trying to mask that because, you know, kids, and I feel it. Yes, kids are not supposed to have to deal with that. Yeah, like, you don't want to feel it, man. You got, like, I was a freshman in high school still, you know what I'm saying?

I started experiencing all this thing. I'm taking these drugs to not. feel emotions like as a human being you're supposed to feel emotions yes only way you go that's what makes a human that's the only way you're going to grow you know what I'm saying so it's like I was trying to not feel stuff and this was really like when I learned the fact that like all right bet yeah you might temporarily are you might be high but when you wake up the next day that shit you don't have to deal with at some point time it get worse like you wake up the next day like damn like I was tripping like you know

I'm saying you might get into a situation it's like all right I'm and again how I want to think about that right when you wake up sober the it's still there you feel I'm saying that situation that you tried to run from yeah it's right there it's still there you know what I'm saying and I was just like I didn't I didn't say I was going to go to rehab you feel I'm saying right people close to me like my closest you know what I'm saying yeah people that you trust it the most yeah they like bro you just got to go like you know I had just had a son I just had my first son and they like bro you just got to go to rehab like you know you're getting too high like you just

you're lashing out you angry you feel I'm saying like you ain't listening to nobody like that shit make you angry as fucking like it make you real angry like and I just I felt like I was losing myself because at the time when I first started I was a regular dude

you feel me like I was becoming somebody but now it's like you 22 years old you got a son you're a superstar like you can't just be out here like like that you feel because at the end of the day where you think is normal is not people judging you people seeing you outside like he's

high all the time this like you know he's why would I want to give you some money like why would I want to can I count on you can I count on you are you reliable and I was just like all right I'm gonna try I'm gonna do it that I went I got sober it was good and probably like a year a year and a half later one of my closest friends died and I went right back I just started back getting high like you know that was like my escape the thing you get right to you feel I'm saying like damn man I'm stressed out I don't want to be around it's a bit sad crying I'm gonna just get high so I don't feel it you know and I started back getting high and for about probably another year a year and a half and I went again like

both times when I had to go to rehab I spent like 30,000 with some shit to go it was like a seven eight day process you get out they flush all of everything out your system you on IV so you don't got to go through the withdrawals that's another thing Like, when you drink and lean and popping peels and perks and all that shit. The withdraw is worse than that. It's worse than anything in the world. You don't even want to feel that, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, that's another thing that people run from.

Like, you can't, like, regardless, you're going, it's going to come. What happened in the watch, come out in the rinse. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Every time, you feel me? So it's like, you might run from the withdrawals and you might keep on doing this shit for however long. And then it's going to catch up to you when you get older.

because your body can't take the shit. Mm-hmm. So it's like, it's best to just if anybody else. Oh, you do something crazy when they put you in that, when they put you behind that concrete wall? Yeah. Exactly. That's the worst, yeah.

That's the overly worst. Because they ain't doing no drugs to get to have to withdraw. No, I've seen that, though. Like, I've seen that with my own eyes, like getting the rest of the shit. You're seeing like dope fiends and shit on the floor shaking and using the bathroom on their self and all that shit. Like, that shit is real, for real. You speak very, very highly of therapy.

You say, we should do it. Trust me, that's someone that has gone through therapy. You say someone that's gone through therapy. You need to do that. Thug, I don't know how well you know him, he said, caused some criticism that he would feel less than a man if his girl went to therapy. His girl was the therapy.

I think what he, like, I can't really say what slime meant by that for me. Like, that's my brother. But I feel like slam one of the people, like he had a critical think of two. Yeah. And he wanted people that, like, like, to dig deep into conversation. Right. Like, he feel like, I think what he meant by that is, like, he feel like his girl should just trust and confide in him so much where it's like, you know. And I don't know Slime ever tried therapy before, you feel me?

So he probably might not even understand what it might do for a woman or female. There's certain things that a woman's just not going to talk to a man about, you know what I'm saying? Like, no matter how much y'all trust each other or, you know what I'm saying? Because sometimes you want, you won't, you want someone that doesn't have a dog in the fight. Exactly. She talking, you talk, I'm biased opinion. Slime got a dog in the fight. Yeah, yeah.

As someone that's win the therapy. Yeah, yeah. And as my therapist, and I'll never forget, the one of the greatest things she ever told me, Herbal, she said, she said, I mean, she sat across with me just like you. My girlfriend was sitting right there. She said, Mr. Sharp, are you arguing to be right? Are you arguing for right? Hmm. what did that do though like what i like she said because at the end right is there

are you arguing to be right or you arguing for right i want to be right yeah this is how it was this is how it is yeah yeah i ain't argue for no right i want to be right yeah yeah yeah once i understood shannon we can it just it ain't me versus you yeah that just it's us versus the problem it's right versus wrong that's yeah she said shannon you you you you you communicate you speaking she said your girlfriend is speaking Mandarin Chinese you speak in Spanish so either you learned each other's language or you're never going to be able to communicate mm-hmm that's something really should I have heard I never heard to be right or you argue for right in 99.9% of the world argue to be

right to be right exactly and and so when she explained it like that and I was one of those guys you know grew up in the South man we don't hey we don't have no emotions and we don't go talk to nobody about our problem you could talk to to me we could work it out yeah but what she's like but no you got a vested interest in this somebody needs to hit a problem right that doesn't get the benefit from it and so when you share when you when you your girl or your wife or whomever shared their problem with someone they're just listening okay somebody come in and share that problem they're just listening because me i'm a and that's why you have to keep family out because family they're going to side

with her boat yeah you better side with me oh okay I'm gonna turn the ward off no for sure you ever turn to why I mean absolutely but that but being all honesty my sister is the only person that I've ever met mm-hmm that I can tell I would tell us things and she would tell me I was wrong mm-hmm yeah you gotta have people like that she would tell my brother like that too though and I was like I'm like I'm yo I'm I'm she's like you wrong yeah and it it takes me to a place and it helps me understand

but therapy it took me a while to understand because I was the exact same way but when that lady told me she had a look and she said Mr. Sharp are you arguing for right or you arguing to be right and she said about the communications manner in Chinese and Spanish I was like man

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strong. Right. So I'm just, I'm the same way too, though. I just need space. I just, I don't want to talk anymore. I'm the same way. I'm definitely the same way. I just know what he's talking about. I try to avoid a lot of communication and confrontation. You're right. I don't want to take it all the way there. I'm just going to go ahead and give it to you right. I was wrong. No, you just saying that. You know, I was like that. He said what you want? No, like, see, if I elevate my voice, you go to talk about why you're doing that. I just said you was right. I was wrong, but you don't mean it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I'm definitely the same way, but I feel like when you have somebody, like you said, like, you just gave a perfect, like, analysis. It's like when you don't have a dog in a fight.

Yes. You need to have somebody that really could be able to say right is right, wrong is wrong. Correct. I'm saying, like, and that's what therapy does for you. Yes. And I was never, like, the type of person that felt comfortable opening up anyway because, for one, I don't want anybody to judge me. Correct. Two, I don't really want to feel those emotions.

exactly I don't want you my business I don't want to feel like certain emotions where it's just like I don't want to relive a situation you feel me like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I've never really move past it you just ball it up and put it in the back pocket and you try to run from reliving that situation but sometimes you have to in order to really like grow and being able to like deal with certain people because as humans we have triggers you know yeah but sure no no you know you know don't know what trigger you if I'm saying so it's like you got to get over certain situations because you might treat somebody who really good for you or doing right by you because you got a certain trigger for something that you didn't live 10 years ago you got to heal and they don't even know about this situation so they wonder why you so mean to me or why you're doing this or why you snap so quick when we talk about this subject and you never talked about that trigger so like I feel like that's what like therapy is has done to like help your appeal will help you from bleeding on someone that didn't even cut you.

Exactly. Exactly. Because no matter where we go, how big we, when you're in a relationship, you're dealing with that person's trauma. Be it childhood, be it adolescent, be it at some point, you're going to have to address that.

Whatever it is, and you have an issue, and you're going to have to address that trauma. And if you don't get it addressed, the person that you care about the most So if that's with you at that point in time, that's worth it. You're going to feel it for sure. It's like I didn't really, I ain't understand that early on though.

Like, I used to try to be so good at going outside and smiling acting like I'm okay and like taking out mask and their pain and just, you know what I'm saying, like dealing with people because I got to be an artist. I got to take pictures. I got to do shows. Then when I come in the house, I'm releasing all that anger. And it's just like it's so I'm not being the right person that I should be to my girl. to my mom to my kids to people who closest

to me because I feel like I'm comfortable here and it's like I'm angry I'm pouting around and they're like what did I do

and you're taking out of the people that's the closest to you like you always do that and I had to really like learn to stop doing that like I ain't gonna lie

my girl pops told me some of the real shit I ever heard in my life he like bro I know you deal with a lot of shit but just remember

whatever you're going look at that door mat and leave that shit outside bro like he told me that and he told me that probably four years ago and I really think like that like if I go in the house and I'm angry I got an attitude like I try to like take some time to like breathe because they don't got

nothing to do with that yeah you feel I'm saying like we take it out on the people that we sometimes the closest towards that we love the most yeah because told me that he like bro I know you like I know you going through shit like I know and it had to be from conversations he having with her yes you know what I'm saying he like bro just leave it at the front door right you feel me like if something happened where it's like i bet she caused the problem or you know like address it but like you can't go in there on defense mode whereas it's like you don't want to have certain conversations or you're upset because you didn't deal with this this this this and this like she ain't that shit at the door you leave back out pick it up and address the world

with that energy if you have to right leave it at the door at your house you've also worked with little dirk how difficult is to see him going through the situation that he's going through right that shit is it's painful for sure because i feel like The whole situation with Dirk is, like, that should happen to anybody, in my opinion, like, in this field, because you moving fast, you don't know, like, who to trust or who doing. You can't be accountable for other people, you know what I'm saying? Like, you feel me? Like, and not even to speak on this situation because it's still he going through it, but it's like, you can't be accountable for situations or what other people have done or whatever the fuck. And a lot of times when you get that.

big people work overtime to try to pull you down to try to pull you off of that mountaintop you feel I'm saying and I feel like that's what happened to smirk you know I'm saying it's like me still like I'm not gonna be like for real for like I know I feel it like I feel it I know he coming from under that shit like I know for a fact that's not the end of his story right he coming from under that shit you know I'm saying it's like a lot of times you kind of it's I hate to say but like coming for you come from certain times God just like throw situations at you so you could be able to see

the the playing field for what is for like see who for you who not for you see the people that's counting you out and come back 10 times stronger like sometimes that should just make you a different type of animal type of beast when you're just like hearing like damn everybody counting me out you think it's over for me huh and then when you come out it's just like you better than you ever made like you feel I'm saying like I know for a fact that's what's going to happen this Remember, my grandma say, boy, life will give you a lesson until it teach you what you need to know. Now, to keep giving it to you. Now, you're going to, you're going to, hey, one way or another, it's going to learn.

You're going to learn this lesson that's being taught. And you, but you're right. I mean, you're around people. You don't know. And the thing is, the hardest thing is to trust. And sometimes you trust the wrong people. You put your trust in the wrong person. And it's just, ain't no coming back from it.

Let me ask you this. Purchases. You got some money now. You say you get that bread, half a bell at 60. You're like, ooh, okay. What you do? When you first got your bread, what you do? First thing I did was I bought my mama the house.

I moved my mama out of Chicago far away. And, like, I started, like, I ain't a lot just doing those shit. Bad cars, bad jury, like, going to the hood. Just sneaking out for everybody, you know, like, shit like that. Right. Like, when I was 17, like, I was. 17 like I'm I was still outside on my block like all the time you feel and you got bread like that you still outside yeah still outside riding around through the

neighborhood like I didn't I didn't really like lock in and fully focus on my craft until I became like 22 23 years old like for real for I was still in in the hood and going through all type of silly ass shit you feel me like you look back in half months like man I squandered some damn good money on some foolishness yeah and it's like I feel like I feel like I wasted a lot of time where I really should have been like like being better like I feel like I feel like I would have 20 times more than I have now if I had that mentality early on because I would get up and I wouldn't go to the studio you know what I'm saying like I wouldn't go to the studio I would go outside I go shopping go buy

clothes go get high ride around my homies now I'm just doing shit like that and go to the studio when somebody called me to go to the studio it wasn't my mindset like I wouldn't wake up like I want to go to the studio it would have to be for my manager somebody would like yeah we got a studio book I need you to do this I need you to do that like my mad set was never own music it was just on being in the streets I woke up and wanted to be in the streets like every day so the purchases are limitless like I was bad all the type of like just car I used to back cars And I was just so young and fried, I had money. Like I could have built my credit up.

I never wanted to put a car in my name. Like I used to just tell people like, yeah, go give me a car. Any way you can, I just pay you and I lose the car and pound it and never go get it back. Go bid another car. Like, what? Because I was so fride, I'm like, I don't want the car in my name. Shit, anything happened. This motherfucker don't need to be in my name.

But you build a credit like that though. I didn't know none about no credit. no credit. Ain't nobody tell me. I'm the last one talking about credit because I credit would tell you. I have a 400 credit without so I haven't been to tell you. So you said when you started getting the money, your credit was like, yeah. When I got some of this shit.

No, no, no. Beal if you, gee, when I got, when I when I, I was in the league, man, I couldn't even, I had to get a cold signer to get a car. Really? Yeah. But that's because we don't get taught about credit, though. Ain't nobody tease nobody about credit. No, you right about that. So it's like, I.

And my mom and them, like, they knew about it, but I kind of, like, shut them out, you feel me? Like, my moms and my pops, this is what I really regret, though, like, when it come to family, I shouldn't let my family in more because they had my best interest. Yeah. And I was, like, shutting them out because I felt like, man, y'all don't know what y'all talking about. Y'all ain't never had no money like this. How are you telling me?

Yeah, I don't know what y'all talking about, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I really should have listened for them because my pops was trying to tell me to like build your credit go through this bad building like I was I ran through like six cars and one year like bad porch crash you do something bad beans that is bad jag like shit like that just stupid you got kids now what type of dad are you trying to be what type of what type example are you trying to sit for your kids um for real for real I want to like just being a hundred like being honest bro i just want to be a hundred with my kids i just want to be honest and let them know like the harsh realities of like the world okay the stuff that i've been

through to get to where i am you know you know what i'm saying and especially with having a daughter i want to let her know like niggas ain't shit like you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying like I was this kind of man baby you feel I'm saying like you gonna deal with this like you're beautiful you're gonna deal with this and just understand but make your own decisions as a woman yeah what you want to do but no right from wrong know what's right know what a man's intentions is regardless and then you make your decision based off of that right like especially for my daughter and for my sons I want them to and I think a lot of people who like got money and made it out and have kids that's like born out of poverty think like this like i want my kids to

know how i feel to work hard and earn something yeah like something just know how it feels to work hard and earn and with my oldest son i see it like he's very spoiled and privileged so when i try to like be stern and discipline him i feel like a conversation to go further than a whooping like i can't really hit him all the time he's doing wrong right I got to talk to him and tell him like this is what you did this is what I feel like you should have done this is what happens if you keep on going down this road I'm saying he only seven years old so I got to talk to him and had him kind of conversations like I want to be that dad where you

like you could trust me you feel me like and my father was and I get that from my father but I didn't I was naive why I felt like I shouldn't talk to him and I could have talked to my dad about anything I was going through and he wouldn't judge me he would help me like I was afraid because for a long time I feared my dad you know like it's I mean you're supposed to fear your parents you know but you should like respect them and feel comfortable enough where you can talk to him yeah like I would lie to him before I tell him the truth because I was afraid of what he might think or what he might do I don't want my kids to feel like they got a lie to me I want my kids to feel like they could tell me the truth and I might be

highly disappointed you know i'm saying but you gotta tell me the truth and i didn't learn that about my dad until i became an adult when i became an adult me and my dad got real close like we became best friends but for years i didn't communicate with him about certain shit and he was right there like he was with my mom in the house with me and i wouldn't tell him certain shit because it's like i feared him until i didn't you know what i'm saying so it's like got to a point where it's like yeah i ain't scared of you no more i don't got to tell you shit you like i don't want to my kids that really like that with me yeah why was it important for you to wait until you became financially stable before you had kids um yeah that was that was mandatory for me

i had to like i just felt like the stuff that i seen like with people my family and people around like i wanted to be able to provide for my kids and be able to like do it comfortably right i couldn't I couldn't see myself having a baby and I'm just still on knucklehead shit. Right. You know, or you a baby yourself basically? Yeah, exactly. So it's like, I didn't, I knew, like, you know how you get that gut feeling and intuition. Like, all right, it's cool.

I can have a kid. Like, you get to a point where, like, you get enough success or money. Like, I can have a kid because I want to have a kid. I don't even got to have to be with the mama, but I want to, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was kind of like my mentality when I was growing up. Like, you know, like, I'm like, hell not. I ain't, I ain't having no kid right now at all because I don't want to deal with like no baby mama shit and not having the control. Whereas like, you know, when women get upset, they do spiteful stuff, especially when money involved.

Correct. So it's like no matter what, I want to always be in a position where even if we're not cool or on the best of terms or whatever, I could provide for you because you're the mother of my child or provide for my kid. Like I understood that because I've seen it so many times. I'm saying my aunties crashing out and doing the worst of the worst because you're mad about the smallest thing. You know what I'm saying? That really could just be a conversation and me and the most frustrated when we broke. Yeah. So it's like, you don't want to talk.

You don't want to have conversations. You don't want to do this. And you just be like, like you might neglect your kid. You might neglect your baby mama or whatever the case just because you're like, I need to go get some money. I don't even want to talk to you. So you miss it so much, it's like I never want to be that guy. Right. your son's on social media

and he went viral because he said stop calling me a YN calling me a Yahel Yeah yeah yeah And I mean that made me proud You took the words out I said that had to make you feel good

Yeah no that made me super proud man It's like my kid He's he's really smart Your son is very very smart He's very articulate Like he And I don't even know what made him say that You know what I'm saying

It's like Because he look up to me Don't get me wrong like he look up to me and he like read stuff like he know like i'm coming from the streets i've been through certain stuff and it's like he just was like i don't want to be classified there's no yin you know does he ask you about does he ask you about your upbringing he does he ask you a little bit about what yeah yeah he do like he asked me about like certain stuff like what i did to ever be arrested right and if like like asked me about

about like my homies who passed away, you know what I'm saying, shit like that, like what happened, what happened when you got shot? Cause it's all public record. Yep. He could see it, he can read now. That's what you gotta protect. That's what you gotta protect.

It's different now. For sure, like you gotta protect your kids from that and you gotta be so in front of it where it's like you don't make split decisions because it's gonna be there forever. Right, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, he asked me certain stuff and I, I got,

how to tell them the truth got to because you're gonna go read go dig and read and find out and I told like I had a conversation with him not too long but I'm like son the streets is like it's bad like you you live a great life like you know I'm saying your dad is a millionaire your mom a millionaire you feel I'm saying like you don't you don't have to make the choices that I made you feel I'm saying because he's still like he might go around like family members my cousins on my mom on them side like they still in the trenches a little bit, you know what I have to remind him, like, you're not that kid, so I'm like, when you want to live that lifestyle, it's only two things that come from it, death or in jail, you know what I'm

saying, like literally, and you have the opportunity to be everything you want to be anything you want to be like, you're so smart, you know what I'm saying, like you don't have to like because the internet, like he want to be around his cousins and them and they listen to like King Vaugh of music, but y'all not that though. It's okay to listen to the music. It's okay to listen to the music and enjoy it. You could enjoy music. You could enjoy music. You got a rapper. It's cool. Yes. But don't fall so deep into it where you want to, like, idolize it and be that. Yes.

And be that, you know, so I had to have that conversation with him. And his mom even called me, like, I don't know what's wrong with him where he think he's, like, tough. You know what I'm saying? You know? She's like, you ain't tough. Boy, always living in a penthouse up here. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you ain't never had a tough day in your life. Right.

So, like, I had to have these conversations with him, you know? And then it's like, my son is a regular kid, but he is celebrity. So everybody, like, boost him up and let him get away with it. Like, yeah, your son, it's cute to them. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's cool when you seven, but then when you get 17, 18, that you're going to be a problem. And you think it's the, you know what I'm saying. So I had those conversations with him where he knows for sure.

Like, nah, that's not what we're doing. Like, co-parrating. You make it work. Mm-hmm. I mean, you go on vacation. Thank God. How are you able to do that? um for me man I'm not gonna lie it's like I always just with women you gotta be

able to forgive like you know I'm saying yeah gotta be able to forgive and you gotta be able to hold yourself accountable to when you do wrong you know for sure exactly so it's like but that's how we operate that's not how I don't want to talk about what you did don't worry about what I did we'll talk about that later we can be twin and never yeah for sure so like with me I just I promise bro I always, like, felt like, man, it's going to be all right. Like, shit to get greater later. Like, whenever I'm going through shit with my girl, even at home

while I was going through shit with my babe mama, I just always was able to, like, forgive. And sometimes my girl used to get mad at me, like, you just forgive her all the time. Like, no matter what she doing, it's like, I don't really take it personal because it's like, I know for a fact I'm not going, like, no, I'm not going to say I don't take it personal.

I took a lot of shit personal. When you're young and you're young, and you're young, so we take that out of shit person. Yeah, I was like, I know for the love of my son, I can't hate you, you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like that'll make me a bad dad. It's certain people who really like start hating their babe mama. So now it kind of like, they dictate how you parent your child. Correct.

I'm saying. Like, I never want to be that guy. And guess what? That situation won't ever change. She always going to be the mother of your child. So whether you see, he's six months, he's six, 16, 26, 36, 36, she. Yeah. And I never wanted my.

son to grow up and be like to see y'all treated my mama bad you feel me yeah so that was always something that like like I just was like man I got the short end of the stick a lot a lot just just trying to be like man I just I just want this shit to work somehow right I'm saying because like you my woman ah come on why is this taking so long this thing is ancient still using yesterday's tech upgrade to the think pad x1 carbon ultra light ultra powerful and Built for serious productivity with Intel Core Ultra processors, blazing speed, and AI-powered performance. It keeps up with your business, not the other way around.

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what's up great get my son getting the car you feel I'm saying like shit like that so it's like I always was able to just like a fan called a disagreement you seeming of what's having with one of your kids uh in the car yeah it's just like one of my main one with taiena you said yeah no you know it's so crazy it was recently like right yeah yeah yeah yeah so this situation me and her wasn't arguing right she was frustrated because actually me and my security him right there I was arguing with this guy right me and him so it was like a situation when he's in a club and I had like words with a security guard and just telling him like man move around get away from me and uh I think he did something that

offended my girl right like you know and I was like telling him like you feel I'm saying telling him like he did something that offended her and he was like kind of like my security was just like all right cool I know him like he was like I'm trying to tell to explain this story like explaining and he was like talking back to me so me and him just me and my we like this right brothers so it's like we had those heated arguments and when I'm when I'm on 10 I'm on 10 right can't really like calm ain't no reason ain't no rash I'm already on 10. So my window is down.

And Tiana kept telling me, like, let your window down. I mean, let your window up. You arguing somebody that's going to catch you. Somebody's like, she knows, like, she don't play that shit. She don't want to go viral. She don't want no type of nothing. Like, you know what I'm saying? She telling me, like, let your window up.

Somebody's going to record you argument because his fans walking out. I'm not listening to her. I didn't care. Me and him already here. We already hear it. We already heated. I'm like, man, fuck all that. So when the girl walked up,

She just catch me arguing, but she catched Taina, like, with an attitude, too, like, telling me, like, let your window up. I'm steady telling you, let your window up. And she'd see the girl recording. So they thought I was arguing with her. Right. I never was arguing with her. I was arguing with my security. Yeah, with him.

Yeah, with him. It was him. It was his head. Women. Cardi B said, if more allowed, do you see a woman to go after a man in a relationship, as opposed to a man going after a woman in a relationship? So, like, I don't really get what she meant by that, though. She said women, like, say if a guy's in a relationship, it's more likely that a woman would approach a man,

knowing he's in a relationship, as opposed to a man, knowing a woman is in a relationship, would approach her. I believe that. You agree with it? Yeah, I agree with that. I think I do, too. I agree with her.

Hey, you know, hey, how you doing? I got a man. Once you tell me you got a man, I'm good. Yeah. You can't have no friends. Yeah. And, you know, I ain't none of that. You told me you got a man.

I'm cool with that. I'm cool. Because I already know how men are. Men might not even like that woman. Yeah. But let another man show interesting. Exactly. Now you got a problem.

I don't want no problem. Absolutely. Because I'm just going by what she said. She said she didn't have nobody. She got somebody. Yeah. Well, let me take that back. She might not have him, but he got her.

So it's still a problem. For sure. And then it's like, When women, I ain't understand it early on, you know, because I was, I was raised by women for real. Yeah. So I understand that. I understand, like, women, like, I heard some real shit when I was young, like, women, emotions are, like, like, oceans.

Like, men say what they mean. Women say what they feel. Correct. You know, so it's like when you, when you're dealing with a woman, especially if you in love with her, you love your woman and you're doing right by her, women are trying to really come between it, you know, I'm saying, and really try to, like, you know, just wanting what the next woman got, you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like men don't really do that. Like, men don't really be like, oh, yeah, I want this because so-and-so got it. They just, yeah, like,

that's not really in our nature, you feel me? So I definitely agree with her when she say that for sure. And then you're thinking about it, certain men would not, like, if you got sense, common sense, like me and you guys, like, you know the certain men going to go to the furthest extent about a woman. Like, some of the biggest empire, some of the biggest world, the wars in the world started over a woman. You know what I'm saying? So it's like if you're not really willing to risk your life or risk your freedom and do certain shit behind trying to pursue a woman and you know that that's probably what

come with it. It's like nine times out of ten, most men just going to wash their hands when they see it getting to a certain extent. You know what I'm saying? So women not like that, though. When women feel that friction from a woman and they're going back, they just keep going. You know what I'm saying it's the opposite right I saw I saw this thing the other day let me know what you think they said like men would probably if a woman if his girl

significant other whatever the case may be cheated on him if his friends didn't know home boys didn't find out he would probably take her back but it's when the homies or the friends find out yeah he can't do it yeah that's a lot that's a lot Yeah, it's like, no, I can't, yeah, for sure, absolutely. That's why you keep your stuff off the internet. You do. That's why you keep people out of your business. You can work a lot of things out.

Just you and her. You're gonna her for sure. But the moment, because if you date publicly, you gotta break up publicly. Yeah. If everybody's in your business that they know you date such and such when you break up, everybody's gonna be in your business

and know why you broke up. Yeah, no, definitely. And like, I feel like, I definitely feel like that's true. It's like when, If you love somebody enough, you could see past a lot of shit. You can't. You can't. You can work past it, you know what I'm saying?

But then when you got a lot of people in your ear. The home boy? You know, like... Man, the sharp, I know. I know you ain't gonna put it over that. They began, gee, that be gasp. Man, the sharp I know. That's tough.

Man, I know you're 40 years. That's tough. That's tough for sure. That's definitely tough. Because it's like, as a man, like, you know, we, we, we, possessive as well yeah this man yeah I'm saying like this is man so like even if your girl might have stepped out on you or did certain shit it's like you really deep down don't want to see her with nobody else you feel me like you don't want to see her with nobody else but you're proud of might let you let you like all right bet you lose her and you might really live your whole life

and regret like damn this the one I let get away yeah I'm saying like I didn't see that shit happen a lot of times, like with my uncles, like people in my family, I didn't see that happen a lot, you know what I'm saying? And I think my mom and dad, like, lasted and been together 30, 40 years because no matter what, my daddy was not letting my mama leave. I didn't see my mama try to leave my daddy a couple times. He wouldn't let her go. He wouldn't let her go.

They took that death do apart. He wouldn't let her go. Like, I know for a fact, my mama didn't try to leave my daddy at least three, four times. Right. Can men be in platonic relationship with women? Can you have a best friend that's a woman? I believe so. I really believe you can for sure.

It's just like certain men, like if you're attracted to a woman, that's another thing. I think that's what made it. Yeah, that's what makes it frustrating. You can't be attracted to your best friend because y'all know too much about each other. One of y'all going to damn to try each other at some point. You know what I'm saying?

But I definitely do feel like that though. Like, you know, like, I've seen it for sure. Like, I've never, I think just because I was in the streets, I never, like, befriended a woman before. Right, okay. Because I just know, like, women's emotions. Like, I just feel like I could never really trust a woman unless I'm in an intimate relationship with him. Correct. I couldn't trust a woman to just be my friend and no shit about me.

Only person I open up to is my woman. Woman. So, hey, you coming up on 30? Mm-hmm. Married? And he's shay something else. man, I need something. Hey, you got you take the bottle.

It's Shea smooth, man. You say, hey, y'all, y'all. She's smooth as a motherfucker, man. So, marriage in the future, I mean, you want more kids, you want a wife? That's where I'm at with life. Like, that's my next step. I'm trying to get married. Like, for real.

I'm about to marry my woman. I think I was. You were going to do that, huh? Yeah, hell, yeah, I'm about to marry. And I was really just, like, just that elevation and growth. Like, I was always that time, I'm a critical think I think steps ahead. I ain't want to get married, so I could afford a ring. That costs $300,000.

Yeah, yeah. Awareness, a million, like, shit like that. I was always on that type of time. Yeah. I always envision myself to have that, you feel I mean? Right. I kind of cut my relationship short because she didn't want, she didn't even want that, like, need all that. That's what I was on.

Right. Let me go get the money, do this and do that and get in the comfortful space where it's like, all right. I could do it right you know big weddings are to press other people that is for you and your girl and I wanted to impress other people but it was still like for her too though because when a woman feel like it's like you don't you don't get to experience that again you know what I'm saying like you only get one life you only get one real dream wedding and shit like that you feel I'm saying but like well I am right now though like I'm I definitely I can't wait to marry my girl

so that's what we talk we talk about a year two years yeah for sure yeah yeah I'm You ready to do that thing now? You're ready to get me right now. I mean, you set up in the chair with that. I'm ready to get on one knee right now. I'm ready to go home with the police. Drill rep. Are you shocked at New York and UK taking over drill rep?

Honestly, I'm not. I'm gonna be honest. Really? Because, like, I feel like Chicago kind of lost touch with drill. Like, just the, what I mean by that is like, the production the sound you know like the up-tempo shit yeah in Chicago drill it always was about like street shit you know I'm saying you're talking about gangster shit right but I think Chicago just got two gangsters shit where

they just talking yeah it ain't even like appealing like what drill came out that she could play that shit it'll turn the whole club up right like turn everything up and when New York and the UK learned to master that they massed and they started making hits from it I haven't heard a real drill hit from Chicago that's undeniable it's so long like yeah the young niggas they go up they talk about street shit and shit but it's like I feel like we lost that touch of drill and New York and the UK especially the UK still got it for sure like it's kind of dying out a little bit in New York but in the UK a hundred

percent like they got it when it comes to the drill wave you know what I'm saying yeah I'm gonna get it so I tell him I as one of the pioneers of you know what I'm saying drill rap And I think that's only because you have to, no matter what you're rapping about, that shit got to be catchy, bro. They stay still making undeniable hits on the drill shit, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I'm a fan of it. I'll listen to it myself.

All right, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Tell us about the album and what made you choose the photo that you chose for. I just wanted to like go back and like remind the world of, who I am like what it took to get here like where I come from you know I'm saying because I could really be dead on jail right now you know and I've done so much and I had a conversation with my manager would make you told me like bro you don't really understand like how much legendary shit like you didn't really did like you really like somebody that's influenced the impact is so many lives and

done so much and you got so much to go yeah like you have you still have your trajectory is so high after you come a long way for 13 years you got a long way to go like it's still looking good for you you know what I'm saying and when he said that I just started like going back looking at my old videos like looking at old interviews and like Googling like my old pictures when I was a kid and I came across those mug shots. And I'm like, I'm trying to make this my album cover. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wanted to, like, paint that picture

and tell a story, like, I've been doing it at a high level kind of since I was a teenager. But at that time, I was really, like, I was up against a lot. Like, that kid on that mug shot could not be here right now. You know what I'm saying? And I wanted to, like, people to see the pain in my eyes. Like when I put the first announcement out, my first mug shot, I was like 11 years old.

Wow. I couldn't believe it. Like, I seen that picture. Like, I was a key. I looked like your son. Right. I was in the gym. I couldn't picture me seeing my son with a mug shot.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, that just let you know what we was up against early on, you feel me? Yeah. It could have went totally left, but I did it right. Like, I went the right way, you know what I'm saying? And that's what I wanted to, like, show the world because I'm always, don't get a Don't get me wrong, I got my core fan base, the people who love and support me.

But I'm trying to tell that story to the people who never heard me ever before. Never heard my name. So that's what I wanted to, like, you know, because you might hear G. Herborn. All you probably know is went legit. Right. You don't know nothing about walking the face of the man. You don't know nothing about that kid that was 15, 16 years old on the block freestyle and made it from there to here.

You feel? So, like, that's why I chose that picture, for sure. Go copy the album, Little Herb. Here he is, G. Erbo. Thank you. Appreciate you, Joe. Appreciate you, boy. Sacrifice.

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