Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Iman Shumpert Part 1

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

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Y'all wouldn't care to talk to me if I ain't get raised by that man. Do you remember the last conversation you had with your father? Yeah, he was a... Hustle page of price. Want a slice. Got the roll of dice. That's why all my life.

I'm going on my life. All my life. Pustle paid the price. Want a slice. Got the bowl of dice. That's why. Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shesh. I am your host Shannon Sharp.

I'm also the proprietor of Club Shethe. Stopping by for conversation in the drink today. He's a true renaissance man. He's an NBA champion. He was also a member of the very first NBA championship brought to the Cleveland Cavaliers. He's the first NBA player to take home the grand prize on Dancing with the Stars. He's the first athlete in his high school history to have his

number retired, a multi-happiness, a rapper, an actor, artist, an entertainer, TV host, a businessman, and a father, and he's from Chicago. Here he is Iman Schumper. Man, I appreciate you, bro. How you doing? My wife made me sound better than that.

Give me some big shoes. You know what I wanted to ask? How you get the because I only know one Amman and that's the famous model. How did you get that name? Is that way, did your mom them play? My mama, she didn't name me after. She always loved a name.

Yeah, okay. And it's of African descent. But me and my brothers all got like little wrinkles of African descent in our name. We're not technically, we don't know our roots. Right, okay. You know what I mean? So you haven't done like a DNA or an ancestry or anything like that kind of fine with your roots? Yeah, I don't know my roots.

I just know my mom like African name. She came with Eman. It just means someone to follow what she said because I was just a big ass. I was a big baby. I was born 12 pounds, four ounces. Damn. 23 and a half inches long. So she kind of, I think my, the past.

Pain. Got to get him some sort of, you know what? Yeah, yeah. Man, well, congratulations. Man, I want to toast everything that you've ever done. You know what this is? I can't. I can't.

Okay. Ramadan started. Oh, my bad. I forgot. So I forgot that. I know, but I ain't Muslim. Like I said, I ain't Muslim. I ain't got nothing going on.

But it's a discipline thing. Yeah, I'll take a little water, though, if y'all got something. Right down by your seat. Yeah. Right there by your seat. Yeah. I knew you cared. Yeah.

I knew you cared about me. So, let me ask you this. I remember seeing on your Instagram post. You lost your father, unfortunately, last year. What did your dad mean to you? How influential was, Ian, and the demand that we, that shape that we see sitting here today? Oof. My dad, he just did everything.

Like, he was like, it's such a hard thing when you got somebody there and you get so used to it. It ain't that I underappreciated them because I talked to me. my dad every day, you know what I'm saying? I didn't underappreciate him. But it's like, when this good being around, when they, especially when they just get snatched up, like that ain't nobody really ready for it. Like the whole that it leaves, I just,

I guess the process that it was like understanding that until I go down, like they really won't know. I mean, we could celebrate, we could do this, people talk about getting flowers, like you still here on earth, but you can't really feel it till somebody gone, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, now when I do, like, just my day-to-day stuff, like, I can hear him. Like, I know, I know what he taught me. Like, it's to the point where it's, like, waking up and fin to leave out my room for I brush my teeth.

I can hear him. Like, you can even brush your teeth. Like, how you're going to be in everybody's face? You can't even brush your teeth, dude. Right. You know what I mean? But it's like, you hemmed. And it's like, I guess it's like the happiest hurt that you can have.

Yes, yes. I'm so, I know a lot of people didn't have a father. And I'm just, I leaned on my, you know what I'm saying? I had friends that leaned on my father. And it's like, it makes me happy as hell to say like he was a good man, you know what I mean? But it's like within that same breath, it makes you cry like a little baby that is like, I ain't got him no You know what I'm saying about it's a yeah he told me anything I know though man. I definitely wouldn't be Y'all wouldn't care to talk to me if I ain't get raised by that man. Do you remember the last conversation you had with your father? Yeah, he was a

He um The day before My bad he really So he really wanted me to He liked when I But I wear the suits that full suit like when I wear shirt and tie and stuff he always got dressed for the office every day you wear a shirt shirt and tie and uh last combo he just was like

man you look good in them uh and them suits man like I like that you take your jobs now that you you're wearing that suit and then he told me don't come home finished filming because we was filming the podcast told me and my brother not to come home, finish filming, and he got to go in the hospital, he'd be right back. Yeah, that was the last one, but... Did you know your father was that sick, mom? He never shared... He never shared that. I mean, I knew he had to go in the hospital. I thought he just had some, like, you know,

people get older. Yeah. Being in that couple of days and he'd be right back out before. Yeah, and then knowing him, I just, you know, I would have been... I guess I'd naturally worry more about my mom. Because, yeah, I ain't never, a dude don't ask for help. He don't, yeah, even in them last couple months, man, it was like hard to help him. You know what I mean? We ain't know what was going on for real, but it's like the help we think that we're doing,

we're just like, yeah, dad, like, you can ask us for anything. Like, you know what I mean? Like, but I ain't even like noticed that he's going out of his way to say thank you because it's like he ain't never had to ask nobody for shit. Right. You know what I mean? He's been doing it all since he was young and so it's like, it's just a hard to process, my bad. But yeah, he definitely said, I look good and said. All my last conversation, he said he looked good in the suit, dude.

He was happy to see me in the suit. So shout out to ESFM, man. Give me a reason to wear those suits. If your dad was sitting in this chair today, it's been gone a year and you could have a conversation with him, what do you think he would say to you and what we would say to you and what we would. What would you want to say to him? If my dad held back anything for me, so I don't think he'd have much to say. He'd probably just reflect on whatever I'm going through at the time, at the moment. But, um...

What would you want to say? I wouldn't talk. I wouldn't even talk. I didn't even talk. I didn't even talk. I wouldn't be able to... My bad, I can't even do the interview. But I wouldn't be able to talk, bro.

to talk, bro. Like, you don't get, like, we don't get good men in the world, in the world. Like, we even get, like, as a kid, I was raised to, like, deal with the bad men, like, to, like, protect people from the bad men. Like, when you just say the word, men, like, you just naturally think of all the possibilities and all the negative stuff that come. But, I just, like, if I could. like hugging your dad and he down like you just you don't know until you see it like you can't process it so it's like I just need him to be moving again we was talking about it when we was cleaning him up uh but it's just like you know he looked like he's been to move brother like he looked

like he's smiling some shit like he wouldn't get up uh but uh yeah if he was here i'll probably just hug him shit. Where I sit in this lap like a little kid. Like a little kid, bro. But I ain't never, it's crazy because I process death in a lot of different ways, bro.

Like, you know what I mean? But I ain't never had to like really deal with it. Like, it seemed like all the family members I even lost. Like, it was like once he passed it's like things made a little more sense, I guess.

Like, the weight of things. It was just so much weight to it. But, yeah, it'll make a man out of you, where, like, you, like, work your whole life to, like, be like, man, I could do it. Like, I could do it just like that. I could do it. It's like, now y'all got to, y'all think it's got to do it now. You know what I'm saying to do it now. Well, let me ask you this.

Yeah. How close are you to rare in your daughter in the relationship that you and your daughters have compared to what you and your father had? Oh, it's the same. They, they, like, they, they, they, they, I'm open book with them, open door. Me and Junie have tough conversations. You know, everything that's transpired, they won't, they not, I don't have their ear every day how my dad did. Right. Okay. So I might, yeah, that's their difference that I don't have their ear every day. But as far as when they're around me, when they speak to me, uh, the protection that they need from everything that they need, they get him, you know. I'm saying like I know it'd be a lot going on in the world but it's like with kids like they see time see you look at them in the eyes they see you paying attention and remembering they got a presentation today you know what I mean

like it count you don't you can't you can't they can't have a presentation and then you just kind of forgot that it was and then just came home you like how was school they don't want to hear how school they want to hear how it's the presentation Right. You know what I mean? So it's like their only difference is that they won't get me access to me every night, how it was in my household. That's their only difference. But as far as what I can present to them, as far as love.

The love and attention that when you are in their presence. The time is all mimicked from him. You know what I'm saying? This episode is brought to you by prize picks, whether you're starting a new routine, making player picks for the first time. Trying something new can be hard. But in life and on prize pick, it always feels good to be right. With high pressure playoff matchups every weekend, elite hoops action almost every night, the action never stops, and prize picks lest you take control.

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But you still need to be a parent, but you still need to be a disciplinarian. You still need to be a friend. You still need to be a father. At the end of the day, you're a father among friends and all that other. stuff, you are father above all things. But knowing, like, damn, my dad probably would have said this, but he would have told me this on Monday and Tuesday. And if I did it on Wednesday, then that would have been a problem.

But I'm only seeing my kids Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. So it's a whole different scenario. I mean, for me, is looking at it like, because a little bit of it comes in, like my older, my older, My oldest is like she's like able to handle like the calls the texts My youngest she's more like FaceTime okay she's gonna see you got to see so Luckily my my ex is not she's less it's not like a war or nothing Any right like we can talk to the kids or whatever and I think the the part that I could

appreciate the most is that my big girl she she knows the weight up it like she kind of knows like that's Junie Junie Junior though Junie Junie Junie would be like awesome like you know she she know it's like I'm trying to make sure I still check in like I ain't talked to dad in a couple days so she like check in and she want to show the phone the roof but she like tries to stay on schedule so it's like her making an effort but I still you know that's that's what took so long like that was the process the whole shabang of, you know what I'm saying, having to separate, that was what the biggest hurt was.

Like, we're not going to have our kids on a day-to-day. Like, I know how much it, I benefited. Like, I benefited having my dad come home and say, why this ain't clean. It don't make no sense when you're 14. It don't make no sense. You're an asshole. Yeah. Then you get around some grown-ass men that's nasty.

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Man, it's like, bro, I don't really went in people houses and stuff. Like, while I'm talking to them, cleaning it. Like, it's my crib. When I'm cleaning and they're like, what are you doing? Like, I'm like, what you mean? This is gross. I'm not going to say jokes about it and sit over here and point out. Like, you see how nasty that he is?

Right. I'm in the house too. That's gross. Like, I'll leave by example. So I'm going to do it. But it'd be like, that'd be my dad. Here you talk the importance of black fathers. Yeah.

And, you know, you hear sometimes, like, I can do this on my own. I don't need a man. But hearing you talk the importance of your father and then in turn, the importance of you being there for your kids, can you speak to the importance of having a black father in a black household? Yeah, man. Even if he's not there on a daily basis, but he makes sure that he checks in and then makes sure everything flows smooth. Yeah, I think that this is the best example I could give you about black fathers, right? Black fathers are like a really good defensive back. You know what I'm saying?

And I say that because like when you got a cornerback or a safety out here that's so good and their hands is so good, they catch everything, don't nothing get past them. Or they're going to deliver that big hit. Don't nothing get past them. The other quarterback, my fuck, won't even throw him the ball. And that's what having a father is. Like, they won't even try you. All the shit that your dad do for you, you're not going to see it.

Like, the insurance for this and fixing this and money was tight, but he did this, this, this, and this stayed out all night. You know what I'm saying? Like, real pain. Yeah. Like, and he ain't going to let you feel none of it, see none of it. It's like he, your dad got to be Dorel Revis out there. Like, why are you throwing the ball over here?

It's bad news you throw it over here. Correct. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I think that's what having a father and then having a black father being able to walk through like this country got some up and down shit that's going on. Correct. You know what I'm saying? These files is out.

There's a lot of crazy shit going on. It would be for, especially for a black boy. How can I take advice from somebody who tried to keep me down? You tried to push me down. now y'all saying okay well that's over with so now i'm gonna teach you this this and this but i still kind of got to take it with a great assault until my black father to say no that that that you know what i mean we decipher yeah we cypher through that info yeah don't trip that's cool you can learn this you can learn this you can learn that this the curriculum you should learn

but they very aware very conscious you know what i'm saying like i know a lot of the you know the you know stereotyping with the black father's like he ain't around yeah he doing the most he whatever but it's like no bro especially I come from you know what I'm saying having a black father that was always there my uncles always showed up you know what I'm saying like the teammates that I've had

are great fathers wow okay it don't get talked about a lot you know what I'm saying but it's like I have I've had the most wonderful experience like even now it is it's cool to me now but at first it was kind of weird I'm more attentive to an older man

because I lost my dad. But it's like it's a safe space to me. Like there's so many people that walk down the street. You see five black dudes on the corner, paper bags over their cups and everything. There's so many people that get them goosebumps. They feel weird. They don't know what they own.

Right. Them my whole life when I see five, men on the corner. This is a safe-ass corner to me. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's safe. If my uncles and my dad is standing outside of this store, every kid that walk past is safe.

So that's how I view black men. And it's like, I see the opposite when people deal with us where they just like, y'all, inferior. Like, their antenna goes up, yours go down. Mine go, I put my guard down. Yep. I go talk to an old man in the airport, though. I'm going to be so chill.

had me taking shit off I'll be the midst of flight let's unpack let's talk you know what I'm saying but it's a safe space for me because I have my dad right know what I mean so I just I'm big on that I love

dad dad shit how's your mom doing as good as she could do you know that's a strong woman she had me naturally she was yeah 12 pounds four hours

and 43 inches naturally yeah She said, they have all the medication that they got now. Exactly. She said that having her grandbabies around her and being able to look up and see all for her boys in one room again. She, like, even though it was because of that, she's like, just seeing y'all, that was enough for me. She's like, y'all ain't got to worry about me. You know what I'm saying?

That's all I needed from her. Like, I needed to know I don't have to be worrying, like, because I already know how it goes. with like you lose your loved one that you've been riding with they still marry you see what's right right you're like you your health could dwindle losing somebody that's been keeping you up you know what I'm saying so I'm just like man just I've seen it she like no they give my heart the most joy like the little back grandbabies running around that she said get them the most joy they have a good time I have my uncle and aunt they had been married oh my god probably 30 plus years and she got a call that said they found him dead in his car

30 minutes later, she had a heart attack just like that died. Yeah, insane. Just like that. Understandable. Yep. But it's understandable. Like, because I, you've, I'm sure everybody's had, like, just, you know, some traumatic death that's happened that you wasn't ready for. And we all have that human thought.

Like, man, I could just, I might as well go out. Yeah. Just take me. Yep. Just take me. I had, as soon as I was my day out, man, this is some bullshit. I don't know if I could deal with this one. You know what I mean?

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You winning an NBA championship and you win and dance with stars. With the star. Come on, man. Your whole life, you say, I want to play in the NBA. You win a championship. You brought a championship to a city that had to win a 50. Why, she concerned that championship led to me getting the ball

where I really was supposed to get. So that mirror ball is what you're proud. That mirror ball is in her house right now. She loved that damn trophy. Your daughter, your daughter's was born at home. Yeah. Obviously, your ex natural in a bathtub. You were there.

Uh-huh. I called Bobo. What? Why was that? The first one was an accident. We wasn't trying to. The first one was not. That wasn't playing.

No, no. We was, yeah, I was trying to get to the, get her to the hospital. I don't have to grab the bag. I'm trying to do this. She's like, we ain't making it. I'm, what? What do you mean? We're not going to make it.

I know. I ain't no doctor. But, yeah, I could catch. I got good hands. Yeah, yeah. I ain't no doctor, but I can catch. Yeah, I ain't do nothing. She pushed her out, but yeah, it was right there at the bathroom.

And then because we did it that way, it was like, you know, Rugofield left out. If she got the hospital, burp, that ain't as good. So we did it at the new house. We had a new house, and we did it at that house. Well, you might want to go back and be a doctor. You know, man, you got this fantasy in your head. Getting out of the life.

It's crazy, man. You know, as an athlete, I do like taking challenges like that, but that might be a road that's too long for me, Shanna. I don't know a lot. That's a too long a road. I don't want to do lawyers and doctors, those routes. And then the nerve of some of y'all to do seven, eight years and be like, I just don't want to do it anymore.

Like, what? What? After hundreds of thousands of thousands. And hundreds of thousands of hours of studying and knowing, like, you know how to cut a person open and you don't want to use it. Right. You could fix what's going on if I test something up. You could go in and fix it and you ain't going to use it. You just going to walk around.

Yeah. You go stream. What you go do to make money, bro? Curit. If you got two, you got two girls. You want more kids? Oh, yeah. I'm going to have more kids.

You will have more? Oh, yeah. You want a boy? You want a boy? You want a junior? I got to have it. That's why I'm going to have more kids. I got to get it. I got to get it. I got to get it. You got to have it. You got to have it. You got to have it. You got to have it. That's cool. More girls is cool. I don't really care, but we go until we get that boy. We go until the boy come, I'm sorry. Got to have it. Got to have it. Okay. What about this? Marriage. I don't know if I'll do it legally. I don't want to sign papers and all that.

Like, we're going to do a contract. We're going to do a contract owning something that we both trying to do anyway. I'd rather the contract be about a business. If my mama had the wedding, we got married. If my mama was there, it happened. It happened. For sure.

But this whole, they get to be a part of it now because we went to the courthouse and now we got to do this. Now I got to, I don't even doing all that. What do you learn about in your marriage? What did you learn about relationships that you didn't know? Because obviously, you know, you dated. Dating is one thing.

Marriage is a whole different entity, Ma'am. That's a whole different ballgame. You're like, oh, it's like their marriage. Ain't no such thing. Ain't no like. Because when you get that piece, her name and your name on that piece of paper, that's a whole, that's a game changer. Yeah. I think, see, we was young.

So it was like, we were just young. But I say, I say the biggest thing I learned is like, when you get married, you think it's like a new. level of love. Anything? A lot of people think you get married and now like she's going to love you way more on the other side of this. And it's like, hell no, the real

love, the honeymoon love, whatever, honeymoon stages. Yeah. The honeymoon stage is it's not love, it's like. See what I'm saying? Like we thinking we're going, the love come now in like

times eight. It's like, no, she love you already if y'all at this point. Right. all already in love. You know what I'm saying? Do she still like your ass, though? Right. That's probably how

where I'm at now where I'm like, gee, I'm thinking like you get the ring, you do this, it's like you're going to get a whole new bouncing your step. Right.

It's like, hell no. Ain't nothing going to change. Is it, it's a piece of paper? I was talking to someone and it said the thing is that the person that you met when you originally met them.

They're not that same person in six months. They're not that same person in a year. They're not that same person in six years. The only thing is that you have to adjust. You guys have to adjust to each other because you're ever evolving. Yeah. I think I'm done adjusting though.

Come on. I'm being for real, though. How are you going to be in a sense you what you're talking about you done adjusting? I'm, all right. So I know it probably sounds crazy, but I'm trying to speed up the process of us getting to know each other like if I'm dealing with a woman it's like you fin to see it all day like I'm not fin to put on like I ain't told a laugh and I don't know how long but I like I get I will have to have to have two three months separated from a person because they feel like in that moment you

ain't had to tell me that you ain't had to say that you ain't had to say that you ain't had to you know what I mean that was harsh but it's like no I'm done a line Like, it's been where a woman has tried to tell me to know my worth and what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm like, oh, no, I'm worth doing what I just did. I'm worth it. Right. I did it. You know what I mean?

However I did it, if it's an error in your mind, that's cool. But I'm no longer discussing errors in your shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you process it like that, you process it like that. But it's like, for me, I'm done feeling bad after you. tell me you don't like it. Like I used to do that as a, I think that's like my cancer trait. Like somebody could tell me like, oh man, I ain't having a good day.

And then it's like, damn, I don't want to have as good a day in front of you. Because I want you to feel back. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. Now you could tell me you having a bad day. I'll rub your back for two minutes. If we're not trying to stand up and adjust this behavior, if you're going to soak in it, you're going to watch me eat a big ass sandwich while I turn on this big ass TV.

I'm going to watch all the games. And I'm going to be excited. Because we do feel bad. I'm a cancer. And if somebody feel bad, like, damn, I feel bad. I do. Man, what can I do? Man, what can I do to pick this person up?

Hey, you know, hey. But I did it already. I did it. So you ain't tried to make nobody feel. Hey. I'm going to try and make, I'm a try. I'm going to try. Yeah.

But I'm not doing the whole my day got to get thrown away now. And I don't want, I don't want another person doing that for me. That's, uh, from my kids, a person I, date, my homies, if you don't want to be here, don't come. If you come and you feel like, man, I don't like the vibe here. Get up and leave. Don't nobody care. I think I got that place too, that place too. My daddy told me that it was one of my favorite quotes from him growing up. He said, the sooner you learn that don't nobody care, better off you're going to be. He's like, you just want to care. You want to outcare somebody for what? He's like, when they go down,

You're gonna be by yourself when they go down and it's like when they when that click for you man It just be like you start real out like you know how many women have detached from me Say we've been talking and they're detached from me for a couple weeks maybe a month come right back And be like you might be the only dude that don't just be lying for no reason and I'd be like bro For what what I'm lying for? Because you thinking you lying and it's gonna keep you Puff, but when she found out the lie, you're going to be sick. And you lie because you was trying to play it right for her. Because you thought, I'm showing you I like you.

I told a quick lie, made it make sense. Everything's perfect. It's dreamy. I'm like, yeah, fuck that. I don't read the back of the book, though. I don't read the back. I got the synopsis. What was that?

Spark notes. I didn't read all. I ain't reading the book no, man. We ain't doing that. We ain't doing that shit. No, no, no. Okay, let me see you this. public dating. I had Amber Rose on here and she said, man, meeting bond are good friends. People

thought we were dating. Where are you on public dating? Would you ever be because you were a very high profile marriage? Everybody knew who you were. They knew who she were. She was. Is, excuse me, not was, is, would you do public dating again? Public marriage. I mean, I think it naturally becomes public these days because it's like if y'all seen me with a woman, like, but I'm not, I used to think like that though Like where it's like oh man I don't want to be seen It's like nah just be like yeah no If I feel like going to lunch

Y'all have cameras there y'all just got cameras there Like if y'all say is that your girl I'm not going to answer y'all like I don't care to You ain't somebody hey amyamana how you doing If you see me if I get photo with the lady Yeah 30 times Y'all could kind of fill in the plane Like yeah that's his girl

That's his girl or she worked with it Right right right But it's like why am I send to check my phone on an app I gotta go through here read through this and woo woo just because y'all trying to figure out who I just went to lunch with that's too much though

like even with me like me and M like me and M hung out and don't get me wrong I ain't blind right surety look good I ain't blind I ain't say that real talk I ain't say I'm I would you when you're right I didn't say that were you right I said we went to college hill together you know what I see what y'all see

I'm more used to Am's Like, M woke me up every day. Like, I ain't, I ain't used my alarm clock. That's her thing. Like, she's just a mom. She's used to waking up the boys. Right. So she'd come up there, tell us,

hey, the food ready, come down. But it was like she had a sweet voice. Right. She could wake me up. Don't none of y'all else, don't nobody not go to do it. Her, Parker, cool. Everybody else knew.

Can't do it. New York, lady to death. Don't come in here yelling. Don't come here loud. Jansu was in there. act crazy. Don't come here loud. Ray J. act crazy. Don't come here out. Real smooth. She, Am's real smooth. But, you know, we got

photo on the beach. And it was like, I just needed to vent to Am. But it's like, everybody was tweaking out. Like, oh! I'm like, bro, y'all can fill in whatever blinks y'all won't, fam. But I'm telling you, we needed to sit down and talk. Like, I needed to vent to her that day. So it was like, I don't care. I see this taking a picture. Like, I don't care. That's really my people.

Cam caught a lot of criticism that he says he couldn't be platonic friends. I thought you was talking about enlectic, what do you say? No, neclectic. Enclectic. Enclecting. Yeah. Eclect. Yeah.

Well, he's been watching. You're going to go in the word bank with lady. Boy, lady lunch. Go into the word bank with her. It's crazy. He said, I just can't. He said, I can't because eventually I'm going to be, I'm attracted to you or X, Y, and Z. can men and women be

platonic friends? I think they can. Oh yeah, I got a potonic friend. Yeah. My best friend is Taco Sheets with me all the time. Even Keys. I be with Keys all the time. We don't be on nothing.

Like, they sleep in my bed if they won't. Like, they don't kick me out. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Do you not end up with them though when they sleep, right? I have been plenty of times. This is my best.

This is what I'm saying. Yeah, I got breasts. I'm talking about. Me and Kia. Me and Kia got pictures with no teeth together. That's Kia. Like, I grew up with Kia. Kia, been doing my hair

since I was in fourth grade. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I can go to Kia Mama House without her. She can go on my mama house without me.

You know what I'm saying? Like, Taco since day one in college. It's like, I've been with her. I've been with Al. They free flow. Like, sometimes I get into it with girls all the time over them

because they can't believe it. Taco start doing her modeling thing now. She ain't all sweaty with braids all the time. So now all of a sudden, they're like, oh, she is gorgeous. And then they can't fathom, why you don't sleep with her? I'm like, bro, we shared meals when everybody was flying, I mean, going flying home for holidays. The people from Georgia are going, I'm like, me and Taco in here sharing little random meals for the cat.

You hear me? Like, really trying to go through it. And then I'm like, Taco rebounded for me, dog. Like, she don't play basketball. Right. She's trying to help because she's just like, we got to get out of this. sucks. Right. We, I hate being broke. Me too. Yeah. You know what I'm like? I'm like if Taco in the bed asleep, like we're tired. Right. Like we're not on that. Hey, I've got, I've got a potanic

a women friend, but I do, I do like that he said he ain't the one. Yes. Yeah. And I ain't got no problem with that. That's him. Thanks for telling me. That way I said, thanks for telling me, brother. Because I don't want minds around you then. But he told us. Don't I? He's trying to be disciplined about it. And it's like people, I don't like that people did go take that and try to make it seem like he was a weak man or a weak mental. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm like, see, at this world here, this is a doggy dog world. And what he did is he just looked out for y'all and said, I ain't going to take your girl or shoot at your girl. Just keep her from around me. Because after a while, that's going to happen. You know what I'm saying? That's like, bro, that's player to me. And the thing is for me, I don't know.

let me ask you this. You said you could be friends with a young lady. Yeah. What if your young lady was friends with another do? You cool? Yeah, yeah.

She gonna understand me way better. Man, what? You know how much, when you're dealing with a woman that don't got no male friends, like she's trying to keep it super strict for you? Do you know how much delusion you're gonna deal with on your phone?

She delusions with a friend even worse. Right. Other friend ain't got no man. She's giving all the advice. Yes. Yes, with no man. I just want one dude. Yeah.

If you got the best buddies, step right up. We got the best buddy that he's a dude. He got a job. He takes care of his own kids and he pick up the phone for you. He gave you advice. Oh, yeah, sign me up. And where's your dad? You know how you get to that's question?

You know how you get to dinner now? And you be asking all your little. Yeah. Had to question or whatever. My question, every time. What's your relationship like with your father? Hmm?

Hmm? I don't really miss me. Oh, I got to go. I got to, no, not you. No, no,

but she said that she don't really miss it. Oh, if she said it, but I'm knowing right now. Like, especially if she got like salt that come with it. Like,

if she said, I don't mess with them, you know, I never really met him. But it is what it is. Like, I'll just take it with grace. I still got my granddad.

You know, I still got, if she probably, Like that? Cool. She kick it off like, can't stand his ass. What dad?

What? She'd do any of that? Oh, I'm out. You can't process. You ain't going to be able to process nothing I got going on because I had my dad. I don't even know them triggers.

I don't know what that is. Like, as soon as you start doing that, it's irregular to me. My younger self would lean into it, try and cater to it, understand it. Okay. But you're making it worse for somebody

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You know what I'm saying? It get like that. How would you feel an ex? I'm not talking about your ex, your wife. But if an ex popping up on a podcast saying things, talking about, Ha. Not your ex, not your ex. Not your ex.

Teh on her, she does it count. No, no, it wasn't T that did it, though. Yeah. It was my other ex. But it's cool. I don't be, honestly, dog. But out of the blue, you would never do that. Let me tell you this.

Let me tell you this. First off, I think it's kind of funny that everybody, man. I've been kind of taking advantage of it a little bit because everybody's been walking on pins and needles since. I don't care that much. Like the whole like Kayla like, oh, this happened, dated it this timeline and woo, and I'm just like, Canada. Why would you bring that up though? I don't know why she brought it up, honestly, but me and Kay are good friends.

Like, it's not like a thing where I'm going to be mad at her because she did that. Like she low-key was just speaking her truth. It was a funny story, honestly. I don't know why she did it. But when you first heard it, man, because I'm sure a lot of people didn't know. What, that had happened? Yeah. They're like, show up.

Hey, you hear what those girls said on the pod? Yeah, but I don't know. Like, some of that stuff is just like, that'd be for the girls. Like, no dudes, we ain't have really no rabbit hole to go down. It's like, okay, you dated her. She said this. And then it's over for a dude. For a female, it's like, what happened first, who this, ooh, and it just like, I'm not.

I don't know. I didn't take it. I wasn't offended. She hit me up. And that's why I do appreciate about Kay. She hit me up and was like, I'm so sorry. I wasn't thinking. You know what I'm saying?

I'm trying to tell a funny story on the spot. Like, I did not mean to do that. And I was just like, honestly, gee, like, it's all, everything's all over the place. Who cares? Right. So you was cool with it? As long as I can see my kids every day, I really don't care, bro. I promise, I don't.

I tried to, though. At one point, I tried, man. I did my bid. I'm done caring. Did you see the Clifton Powerpiece where he was sitting around? He'd say he's trying to find how to love someone at the age of 70? No, I didn't see that. He said he didn't have any examples of what love is.

You're different. Your mom and dad was together. Oh, that's powerful. Yeah. He said he didn't have anybody to show him what love. Because I grew up in a situation. If you had food on the table, you had clothes on your back, you had a roof of your head. That's love.

That's love. Ain't no, boy, I love you. What? Yeah, that's why. Do you see the movie, Fences with Denzel? Denzel told him the same thing. You got a roof over your head. I remember that, yes, sir.

Yes, sir. That was a good speech. That's love. That's love for show. So he's saying, for someone to come up to him and say, I love you, or someone to say, I love you, or his uncles and his father or grandpa, he said he didn't have examples. So it's taking him this long to try to figure.

So now he's trying to navigate on the back end what he should have learned on the front end. Damn. Or what he should have been shown on the front end? It's crazy because I think I'm a lot like you. I was, there's actions and there's like there's approaches that for me is love. Like knowing that, like you ever seen when they, like the old movies and stuff, the dad comes home and like the kids is waiting to eat? Yes. Yeah, that's like what, yeah.

I've never seen that. My dad is like, kids got to eat. It's sometimes where it'll be like, I asked them, Dad, when do you eat? You know what I'm saying? He'll eat, don't worry about it. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Whatever he got to do, he got to do. But it's like, to me, love is I got to make sure y'all straight, then I'm going to get me. You know what I'm saying? Like, my dad went out his way for that. Like, y'all got to go to school, then I go to work. But putting somebody before you, you know what I'm saying? Yes.

Just even having the ability to prioritize somebody else before yourself, it's like, it's cool because everything else in life is like the mask on the airplane. You got to put your mask on. A mask on first before you help somebody else. See what I'm saying? Yeah. But my example of love for my parents, they totally are putting my mask on first. Wow.

And it's like, for me, for me. That's- It's funny that you say that because, I'm, you know, 20 years older than you are. And my grandma, we couldn't cut the cake until he got a slice of cake. The cake just be sitting up there. And we just thinking like, damn, Papa, where are you going? Tasha, I hope you tell Greta, you want a piece of cake, a piece of pie.

We can't get it. We can't eat anything until... I don't know if I could have dealt with that. I'd have took the ass with us all. I ain't going to lie. I'd have to take the ass with us all. Boy, you had me as a brother. I'm taking that ass with it.

I can't do it. And so that was the thing. And that's how we grew up. We grew up very structured A, no A, and you just boom, boom, boom, boom, you walk these steps. But to hear you say that my father, the kids eat, okay, then I'll eat. My mama too. Yeah. I remember one time not liking something.

I ordered some shit. Didn't like it. We didn't left. I couldn't eat it now because it's like, it's just, I don't like it. Right. And my mama knew I liked what she was eating. Right. But she not eating chicken wings.

Yeah. She not, it was a lot of foods that we like, we get some steak, some ribs. No, not not steak. She loves steak. Rift tips, you know what I'm saying? Some shit that just pork and just, you know what I'm going to? Yeah. Man, she gave me her shit.

And I'm like, what you're going to eat? She's like, oh, don't worry about it. And then, like, you know, that was, I was real young. You know what I'm saying? It didn't stick with me. I just ate, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, whatever. as I got older

and my daughters do it to me luckily I'm like we got Uber eats now My food will be at the house By the time we get that girl Eat my whole whatever the hell's in that bag Eat it You got it

You're a growing girl I could just order something to the house And be straight But I really thought about it like damn It was time my parents didn't eat Mm-hmm Like y'all just straight up didn't eat Right

And watched us do that And then sat outside, or sat at the window in the kitchen and watched us who we arguing, fighting all type of shit. Ain't nothing in the fridge. That's why you took us to go grab some. So I'm like, what the hell is you going to eat today? And it's just wild to play the shit back and be like, wow, that's love. Like you said, that's love. You want love, that's love.

Country Wayne said in them skits. My boy, shout out, country way. We had country weight on. So what's it like? What's it like being in one of Wayne skits? A roller coaster. You don't know. We're never going to drop.

No, man. Wayne, I think, does an incredible job of absorbing the storyline from what's naturally happening around him. Mm-hmm. I mean, a little bit of it is, you know, everything that happened in his life. You know, the man got 10 baby mommas. He's going to 10 kids. I don't know how many baby moms are my bad way. But, uh...

And they all live, like, close proximity to him. He got them all, like, within a mile or two miles from each other, from here. But that's what I'm saying. Like, they'll tell you he got all the baby mommas. They're going to tell you how... He takes care of him. He ain't going to tell you that part. They ain't going to tell you.

He's out here just doing it, isn't he? thing. Like, no, he got all his kids together. Yeah. It'll tweak you out seeing eight of their ass run up on your ass. Like, they're all these kids. Like, yeah, wait till they're all grown. I remember walking in with my brothers

and it'd be like, everybody would be damn. Help them your brothers. Like, yeah, a bunch of grown-ass men. But it's like to have that family base right there in that vicinity, doing them skits with him, man. It's like, he writes that stuff. and can bend it on the fly and he acts it out.

That's my favorite part about it. He pray before everything. Yeah, he got to pray. You got to do a big prayer. First time, I ain't going to lie, Wayne. I chuckled a little bit. I wasn't ready. I ain't know he really.

He really liked that, though. Yeah, yeah. I thought it was like, you know what I mean? Like, he's a comedian too. Right, exactly. You know what I'm saying? I've been laughing at the motherfucker. So it's like, he just butt.

All right, we fin to pray. Heavenly fought. I'm like, come on, dude. Boy, did a three-minute pro, dead serious, standing on his toes, voice inflections going up and down. I'm like, whoa, this shit, it's low-key hitting. Yeah. Like, it's low-key, all right.

Like, you got that Bible on the string, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm there? Like, it started feeling like that. And it's like, naturally when you know, it's somebody you're dealing with that one, you know, spiritually he's a land you know what I'm saying

he's a family guy so he's just got his family around he treats his employees like family it was very easy for me to accept a script from him wow like you gonna pray before we star G you gonna y'all gonna

pay me a check after we done today everybody else net 60 30 we're high latches yeah you and him Yeah, you know you. You know there? I didn't get, I got all that. I'm like, they do it.

Pay up front. If he got shoes, hey, man, I need you to bring seven, eight outfits. Shoot all our stuff and get up out of there, man. If I tell him, hey, man, I got to pick my daughters up at four. We're going to start at 8 a.m. We're going to be out there for. You know what I'm saying? So it's like with me, because he says something and then it happens,

I truly hold him at a high level. Because it's like it's been people that have come up to me and say, why are you doing Wayne skis? You're supposed to be doing movies and ooh-woo. And I'm like, I don't think y'all realize how much Wayne pay people. I don't think y'all realize how much better it is to have something. This man, do this 365. How much better it is to have something consistent that you can do 365 rather than that one mega move,

boom, and then nothing. Nothing. I'm like, I didn't did plenty of things. I came on set, did this, did that, everybody loved it. I haven't talked to them producers, director, nobody else. You know what I'm saying? Ain't never going to see him again, which is fine. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with that.

But to be a part of something with Wayne where it's like every week or so, two weeks, whatever, it's like, we're still doing the job. And then he accepted my life because I'm like, you know, I'm like, gee, I ain't going to lie. Sometimes ESPN called me, Fandu, I ain't called me. I got to do my pod You know what I'm saying My daughter's my guy I'm like I ain't gonna lie

I am gonna like hit you with the man I can't do it sorry You know what I mean He was like no I get it He's like the more you do The more I could play it Into the storyline The more we can make it

To where you promoting us We promoting you And this is a good marriage You know what I'm saying And it was like the way he spoke And how calm he was about it I'm like bro This all makes sense

I've been rocking with dude That's since though I ain't gonna like DeShine You film you did that Oh, yeah, yeah. He over with Rob down. Rob ain't coming back, Gene.

Come on, man. They got you up out of there? Oh, Rob, yeah. He had to lay on his mama's porch. Man, dude, I ain't going to lie, though, Lee. I ain't going to lie. That was an epic go-out, though. I watched it.

It was hard for me to watch. When I saw Lynn and slow-mo, she... They played the music. I stopped. I'm getting emotional. I'm getting emotional. I ain't a lie. When we filmed it,

I do want to tell y'all this. When we filmed it, there was a take that I damn near with sleep because it was cold as hell outside. And I still had to shoot it. But I had these heat things. So we sitting in between shots, they change in one of the shots and everything. I fall asleep, low-key. See what I'm saying? I don't know how.

I'm a Chicago kid. It was cold, but I was asleep. And it was late. Lynn came to do it. And she grabbed my, she grabbed me and started like pulling me. Like I let myself just like, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm, you know, I'm gone. But they in the middle of doing that shit, she starts screaming and crying.

I look out this eye right here. I look at her. Shouldn't have did that tried to close it when I closed it. Tis. I'm like, bro, I'm not hurt. It's nothing wrong. But I'm sitting in a plastic. bag laying on my mama steps.

And it was like just being like that and then seeing it, it would just tweak me out real quick. I was like, oh, no, I don't like this. I don't like this acting, man. I don't like this. It got too real, bro. But she just went crazy with that. But yeah, the shop was fun. Well, obviously, you, like you said, you did country Wayne.

You did actually Deshaie auditioning. If there's something that you auditioned for that you didn't get you like, damn, I wish I could have got that part. Yeah. I had, well, it ain't that I ain't get it. I just wish I could have did it. It was this movie I were supposed to do, but we just scheduling-wise,

it just wasn't going to happen. Right. And I wasn't going to pass on the NBA. It's just hard. For me, it's hard to say no when basketball is involved. It's just... So is basketball still an option for you now? Would you go if somebody called?

Oh, yeah. One of my guys was like, hey, bro, get in shape. We need you. right quick. I'm like, all right. That's why I didn't retire, because I ain't going to lie. They're going to mess around and do something cute in that all they all to let Dame shoot. You know what I'm saying? They're going to do something cute with that all-star game. I'm going to get it out. Let me get it up. They're going to break the old time with the back time. Man, let me get it up. But I'm going to get in shape. I ain't going to tell nobody.

I'm going to get in shape, though. Like, I ain't going to come out there and be bogus. I don't want to be fraud, though. I want to really show and prove. Is there any actor that's giving you great advice on set? You know, we think you're good at this. We think you've got a future in this if you just do X, Y, and Z. Jacob, Lattermore, and then Hannah, Hannah Hall. Okay. Like, me and Hannah, you know, Hannah was, she plays Tiff, so that's my girl in the show.

She got my baby now. She got my son. Or daughter, I don't know what it is, son or a daughter. I don't know what it is. But Tiff, well, Hannah, always be like, gee, you need to really, like, go do your acting, like coach stuff, like, really go in there and really dive in. But she, like, if you could do, she like,

I thought that you was just playing a, like, you're from Chicago, so I thought you was just doing yourself. She's like, to know that you don't act like dude. She's like, you really should dive in and try and start developing accents. And, like, she'd do that randomly and just be doing. London accents and have to do shit like you need to exercise it and I'll be like I mean eventually I think I will but it's like I is it because of the girls right now it's the girls

it's the again I'm I have a problem lying to my childhood self my childhood self I design myself to be able to look that little nigger and I and I can't look him and I and be like I spent time I'm going to go do acting wholeheartedly and act like I can't talk basketball. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's tough to not be on ESPN talking ball. Like, I'm going to watch these games anyway. Correct.

Like, for free, I'm going to watch them. And then I'm going to argue with my brother, like a, boy, we're going to argue the hell out some shit. And it's like, we ain't going to get paid for it. It ain't going to be relevant, nothing. But we're going to do it every single day. So it's like, now. having it to where it's like you could you could do this or there's a cool opportunity over here for you to do this like as much as i'll be sitting there like oh i always oh you telling me i could do that i'll be like man the nixon detroit play tonight right they play

tonight they're time for this man i got time bro they damn they're the bad boy pistons too this year they're Good. Oh, no, it's too good. I got to go watch the game. So that's where I'll be at with it. But if I get opportunities, even when I'm doing my auditions, my daughters be helping me. Like, they cool with it. They grew up in this. You know what I'm saying? They're mama still doing this. So it's like, it's just not a passionate man. Right.

Where are you on a reality TV? You do reality TV again? I never really did reality TV. I did a college hill. You don't think that's reality? I mean, I mean, if they came to you, do they have a New York hip hop, New York loving hip hop or something? Oh, like a loving hip hop? Yeah.

Why would I be on there? I'm just saying, would you, I mean, I think, I just don't got enough drama, gee. Yeah. They're people interesting. I ain't going to lie. They're people interesting. They're grabbing their phone, explaining their self. Yeah.

People will be crashing. They're where you are right now. You don't really 35. about Affinamee 36, right? No fool shit. Like, I'm getting, my issues, that type of drama I got going on is eating a burger

and the onions falling into my beard. Right. And I don't know. Right. That's type of problems I got these days. Plus, you got girls. You had a different place in time now. But it's just like, I don't,

I'm also a dude. It's like, bro, I don't even want to argue. Right. Like, now, you throw me on Zeus. You know what I'm saying? They allow people to fight. Yeah. Like, because I'm not.

not going to go back and forth. We're not going to have no cute back and forth. Everybody going to replay it. No, let's get out. We're going to do that. We're probably going to be best friends after we fight. I usually befriend to all the people that. It's weird like that. Like, I don't even want to be your friend if you can't. We can't. No, not, not your ass. Yeah. No, don't do nothing of that strong football. I ain't got time. All right, trying to get tackled today. None of that shit. I saw your games. I ain't got time. But for real, though, I don't. Like, when I get into competition or I get into that, like, when I have usually a nice little quarrel with somebody and we have a little tussle, we become incredibly close because it's like, especially when going out there in the battle again, you know I ain't going.

Right. You know, you know what can count on you. Yeah, like me and JR, me and J.R. Don't fought a couple times, but that's why that's my dog. Right. Like, we, and it'd be stupid shit. Like, in the middle of the game, yeah, we're in the middle of the scrimmage. We're going for a loose ball and go too far.

extra push, extra push, but it got to the point in New York, they don't even bothering us. You know, they just, that's how they do. That's your BJ. Yeah, that's what they do. They want to be extra for this loose ball. Go ahead, fight. That's like my best dog.

Now she is. That's my dog. He know ain't nobody for the out-do me for no loose ball, Paul. That was crazy. Pardon the love. Yeah. Pardon the love. The fan incident that you had with the fan threatening to rob you in Indiana because

you wouldn't do an interview. I mean, do you get to do. You get that a lot. Do people? I think sometimes like, they do have a perception of an athlete. And they, like, whatever they come up, man, we pay your salary. They just think no matter what you have going on,

you should take time to sign, take a picture, or do whatever they ask. Yeah. I mean, the only thing I told him, I said, because we was in there, he was in there trying to get this interview well before it was over with. Right. The only reason I stayed that long is because I was sure.

trying to let some of the people clear out. They had everything blocked off. I couldn't get the car to pull up close enough. But I'm like, I can't walk. It was the playoffs. So people think that happened this year. Right. That was in the playoffs.

Indiana going crazy. Halliburton going nuts. That's where everybody playing, uh, uh, damn, what was, uh, what was that song that everybody was singing? The hallib,

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easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. Yeah, like, I can't think of what it is. It wasn't his name, but it fit. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, anyway,

Halliburton going crazy. Everything going nuts. I went out. after the game. I'm like, wow, I ain't even think Indy was going to be, but I'm, I know Indy because I'm from Chicago. I've been to Indy plenty of time. So I'm like, damn, I ain't never seen Indy like this. This shit, like, yeah, damn. So I'm having a good time, drinking, doing all type of stuff. At this point, my eyes, my speech, this is not a good interview. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm, you don't have a few, you don't have a few cocktail. I'm out and I'm having a good time. Correct. I'm having a great time. Like,

y'all just won like it's like why do you want to do a soup like what we doing that's what he wanted right for me and him to go he like i could set this up oh bro at that very moment not at a later that's what i'm saying i'm like you're not even trying to schedule nothing my man you're talking about pull it out right now lock in right now i'm like that's that's nuts gee i can't really do that you know what i'm saying i told him a couple times and then we got outside and it was like i don't know he just i don't know what happened once he's seen me finn't want to the car, it's like he just started getting tough. Then he pulled that phone out.

He got even tougher. And I apologize, y'all. I should have walked off wholeheartedly. Should have just got right in the car. I do not recommend people do what I did because you never know what could happen after that. I turned around. I had, because it was like, it was too enticing.

Like, we're going to rob you. Where? Who, you? That's what I did. It's like, that was dumb. Yeah. I would tell my son that's stupid as Right. Why the f- You already don't walk the way

Just keep it moving. Like, I'm like And my man, though Because I'd have had a few Yeah You know what I'm saying? Thinking stupid acting stupid

I stand there Look at him And then I realize After a while I'm like, I'm like, all right It don't seem like He want to do nothing

This don't really need To go left I don't feel like Guns need to come out or nothing crazy But I'm like The only way he could beat me Is with a gun

Right And if he's talking to me Like that I can almost guarantee You got a gun Yeah. Or your homie got it. Somebody got that stick on.

You're talking to me. There's no way. I'm looking down at the man like this. There's no way you talking to me like this unless you got something that can remove me. So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to get in the car. I'm going to go home. But it was like I was all the way cool with the video until I saw that part because I'm like, see, that's the dumb shit.

And I got kind of like, they kind of like clapped for me for it. Like, you see, you wasn't scared though. And I'm like, no, but that shit ain't cool. That was low-key dumb Like, it probably, you know, got some likes Yeah That's cool That shit was stupid

He really from there You know what I'm saying Whether I liked it or not Whether I could beat him or not Was irrelevant He was willing to do whatever For his pride that night I'm just glad

I don't know what made me Get in the car at the while But I just got in the car And it was like thank God I did Because it's like That was stupid as hell That whole interaction was stupid It was supposed to be funny

Right Like it was supposed to be a quick back and forth like, I'm like, man, whatever, dog. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to rob you. How you go from- Girls, y'all get in the car. What?

But sure, did it rest? Hold on. Just for the last hour, you've been talking about doing an interview. And because I say, no, now you're about to rob me. Now you by the- You do it exactly what I did. That's how I went through my head. Like, bro, you just-

You were just my friend. Like, we was, dog, he was standing by me for, I don't know how long. I wasn't tripping off the man. Yeah. Then I told him some other shit. Oh, the Fiatia thing. Everybody thought I was like, on my way out. I was like, idiot.

I'm like, no, nigga. He said, no, I really need the interview. Woo-woo. And I was like, dog, you're not getting it. Like, this ain't got. He's like, we in the playoffs. Indiana in the playoffs, dog, you got to do the interview. I said, gee, you got to realize I'm with ESPN.

Right. Like, I have to uphold a certain standard. Right. I can't. I just been drinking. I had a good night. I can't do an interview right now. I'm like right now.

But I remember doing like this. And he said, man, this is for Indiana. I'm like, bro, if it come to my job, Indiana, Chicago, Atlanta. You get what I'm saying? But I don't name about four, five cities. But we in this tone. So when he got up on hill, I guess he would just try to turn Indiana against me. I'm like, bro, do whatever you got to do, my dog.

But you know how long we were sitting here. talking and I'm like, bro, I had a good time in Indiana. Like, they were showing me love. That was there. For him to become angry at the very last second of the night was actually quite random and low-key could have been scary because I was having so much fun, my guard was now. Wow. The song was What the Hellie?

What the Helly? What the Hallie? Yeah. What the Hallie Burton? Yeah. What the, yeah, going crazy. Did you see Odell, Odell Beckham said $100 million, he went by her saying $100 million. doesn't last a lifetime.

We know in professional sports that five years after person, 70% of the players, football, basketball, after they leave the sport, if they're married, they're divorced. Five years after they leave the sport, they're bankrupt. What happens to the money?

Why the money goes home? They be spending it. Mox would be spending. Like, I haven't been around Mox that done had, now, granted, I ain't make 400 million like they make it. You know what I'm saying? But it's like I was broke.

I remember broke. Yeah. Probably a month into when I first, my rookie year, a month in. Well, I'm probably two, three checks in. Looking at my account, I can't go broke. There's no way I'm going broke. But the difference was, one, my brother, always him and my financial advisor have been taking half my check the whole time.

So I never knew how much money I had. I just thought what I got in Bank of America. You know what I'm saying? I don't know why I told you that. Y'all scamming. I'm going to switchbacks right after this shit. Hey, no, take every dollar out that account. Well, he don't know he is at him.

He got bored. But yeah, yeah, he's just basically like, bro, if you don't know how you going, like if I'm looking at my account and I don't see nothing but a couple hundred bands, I'd never go spend a meal. Right. So a couple hundred bands in here Like why I'm gonna go spend a meal And for my man

It's like from going to from overdraft And $20 in your account If that you know what I'm saying From going from that to seeing You know just six figures period It was just like But then I noticed like All my teammates everybody

Lifestyle was changing All my The people I got drafted with They all just like It's like they couldn't wait to be rich I'm like nigga I don't even know how to be rich. I'm like, y'all when they got the craziest car

you could find, like, I wouldn't even know how to start this. I got a Jeep. I had a gunmetal Jeep. I'll never forget it. Rhinol skin on it and everything. They're like, like, Melo used to be mad at me. Like, something, you come up here with this goddamn Jeep, bro. Like, I'm embarrassing him or something.

His Jeep was like for like a day off. Yeah. Like, he's like, my Jeep for taking off the doors and acting crazy in the summer. He's like, you got a Jeep on a day-to-day. Yeah. He like, shump, you know, you could buy bins, this, this, this.

And I just like, gee, I barely even drive. Right. You know what I'm saying? I just never was one of them excessive kids. Like, even with shopping, I'm like, I don't like looking like y'all. I was going to go to Neemans. I was going to go to Barneys or wherever else y'all went. Sacks?

Sacks. But I'm like, three of y'all came in looking like twins. Yeah. Y'all weird to see. All y'all did was buy everything off the mannequin. Y'all, y'all, you're a medican man. Medican man.

Like, come on, medicant, man. I can't do that. But I think the thing is, and people like, look, if you make, let's just say for the sake of argument, you make $100 million, we're going to take $50 away for taxes. And just let's say for the sake of argument, with your financial people and your agent, they take 2 to 3%. So that's 5% total after that. So that's another $2.5 million.

And let's just say you took care of mom, dad, and your family, and that's another 15. If you can't survive our $35 million jump after you're done, you got a bigger issue. You could have made $200 million, and you still would have been broke. And then another thing, when y'all having y'all kids, like, Mawsby having hell of kids,

but it's like that it's court system kids. Like, you can't have court. Excuse me. Ooh, no. Court system kids where it's like, while you're playing, that BM is just draining your, account per month, but you're not even seeing

or feeling it because you plan. Because you play. Yeah. The moment you stop, you're going start feeling it. Yeah. If you may, yeah, I mean, 20,000, 30,000 a month ain't nothing if you making 40 million. You're not making 40 million, and they're taking 20, 30,000 a month. And you still got to pray private tuition, which

is another 15, 20, 25 a month. I do numbers, though. Yeah, yeah. I do numbers really well. It's always been it's wild because even like, I did see that quote, but it's just like he was trying to basically, I don't think he was saying. He ain't saying himself. Yeah, he's just saying he could understand how people mess up. And I think the one thing he just didn't talk about is the kids, bro.

That's the real wrinkle. Like, you can honestly live as good as you want out here, bro. Once you start having them kids while you're playing and somebody is taking that. and then afterwards you got to deal with that and it might get reslotted because you're not making as much anymore but it's like it hit more

now that it is leaving and then you got to pay for the attorneys because you got to pay for yours and hers yeah yeah yo hey oh yeah you pay both oh yeah and she's gonna get a nice one too yeah but it's like that's what I'm saying

all the all the things involved it's just like and then the house sure I mean you shouldn't buy your mom listen you love your mom you love your dad But don't go buy them no $3 million house. That's too much upkeep. Yeah.

I mean, my mama got a million dollar house. Yeah, but I'm saying, we got something. We got something that my sister them can clean themselves, that my sister cut the graph. But if you got to pay for a cleaning service to come in once, twice a week, you got to pay for a lawn care service to come in. Bro, when you're done, like I said, when you're making that kind of money,

You don't miss it. Yeah. But when money is going out and ain't none coming in? Yeah. I'll tell you what. Just keep pouring this out and don't put nothing back in there and see how fast to go. You're going to be pissed. And I don't think people realize that.

Yeah. You know, flying your boy, we're on a private jet. What private jet? Another one. That's another one. These private flights. I know all the Instagram girls taking videos and pictures all that. That beat, honestly, when you get a private jet,

Jet. Like, I used to be telling man, it's like, hey, man, we're trying to take pictures and you don't take pictures. Now, if I ever get a private jet, y'all better take pictures, videos, do cartwheels, take a blanket home, drink all of the pop on that.

You better use the shit out of this, because I don't do Private Jet all the time. I'm not big on Private Jet because I'm very much so. I kind of like how the airport goes for me. I get that with 45 minutes, drop my bag. You know what I'm saying?

I don't like to do like the greeters and everything. Like I don't really like a lot of people to talk to me. But if I keep a straight face hoodie on, I could just go. And by the time I sit down, I'm going to be asleep. Where you live at New York? Atlanta. Atlanta? Well, all you got to do is take Delta one.

What? They'll take you around. You don't even go in. You go, hey. No, see, that's too much. No, but check this out. Too much. They pull you up to the side of the plane.

Too rich. You bogus. You're going to get into it with the other passengers. No, I ain't going to get to. He's going to run into that passenger and be like, what makes him so good? No. Who is he supposed to be?

I just pay for the service. That's all, man. Look. Your pay for your nice little meal, get the chocolate chip cooking. It's still coming in for shadow. Look at it. He said, yeah, let me get that deal to one. But look, I've never been.

At some point in time, I don't need 15 cars. I don't need a house in Miami. I don't need a house in L.A. I got a lot of cars. God, dang. I try. My problem is I'm like redoing them. Oh, you got rest of those cars?

Yeah. Old schools, huh? Yeah. Soon or later, I'm going to start selling them. But I'll be pulling up. When I pull up, people will be like, with you? And I'll be like, no, this one just got finished, though. Yeah, this one just got finished.

Ooh, it's ooh. It's ooh. Listen to that you talk. What have you learned about money that you didn't previously know? My favorite thing that money do is make somebody shut the fuck up. I never knew money could do that. Yeah. And in a lot of ways, like, not on some, like, you talking and I throw some money and it's like,

I won't say anything ever again. Right. But it's like money is like, I had this friend that was like complaining about some shit he had going on. It was some shit he had going on. And it was valid. but I was in the middle of watching something. So it became an annoyance that you telling your story about whatever this is and how you needed this money and it was supposed to come through.

And I sent him that money and he shut the fuck up just like I wanted. And we finished watching the show that we was watching. But he literally, because it really was a problem that arose. Right. But I'm like, with me, people always say money ain't everything. right you hear that growing up because they're trying to humble you money ain't everything but then in all situations in your life all of it take money can't live in your house without our money can't eat can't take care of nobody so you damn sure can't be a man you're a boy at this point

you ain't got no money you're a boy uh transportation uh uh education uh education uh education education uh education It's all money So it's like when they say money ain't everything I just be looking like I think that's what I learned about money It'll tell my fuck to shut the fuck up And it really is everything I love the access that it that it allows you to have

The thing that I can do for other people Like my family I can take care of my family I mean I don't really buy myself a whole lot of stuff Yeah you run out you run out of shit the money Yes and some okay After you've had a Ferrari or Lambo or Rose or Bentley or Ray You didn't fit no Ferrari? You fit in a Ferrari?

Yeah, I did. Not long time ago. My Houston got too bad. That's too low on the ground. That's too low to ground. That was, that was 90, 93. What, you were getting a custom like, like, Shack? Nah, nah.

How y'all asked in it. I'm uncomfortable sometimes driving my McClare sometimes. I'll be having to, like, get my phone. I ain't big a Shack. I know Shack can't get in the Lue. You got a football player. You got to be. Yeah, yeah, but I fit.

Because I wanted to fit. He dropped the top on that. No, no, it was a hard time. It was a hard time. You remember the one Jordan had the five, the black one? All right, if the Mike had it, I get it while you got it. Yeah. That black dude.

That five 12th of y'all, I had to get it. I had to get it. You had the cigar when you got out. No, no, no. My brother didn't go. Well, they can't go hat. It was just, you know, you had to have. There's certain things, you know, watching Miami Vice growing up.

I said, if I ever got some money. I want a Rolex. I want a Versacee silk shirt and some linen pants. And I wanted a Ferrari. Word. I want a Ferrari. That's crazy. Yeah, man.

I went to, what you got? I wanted a watch, but I wanted it to be man. I ain't make one yet. What? I want to make a watch. Oh, you want to make your own watch? I forgot what watch. My dad had this watch that somebody gave him.

He didn't want it. And I was annoying the shit out of him. I was annoyed that out of my daddy. I was asking him about his watch. Then talking about the other watch and then talking about the flaws of the watch Yeah. And he was like, well, why don't you just make one?

I'll wear that one. Yeah. And that shit kind of just stuck with me. Yeah. So it was like all the things that I had coming when I first got in the league, that's what I used to buy watches. Yeah.

But it was like, it took me a while to even realize that that's where it came from, but I love watches. Yeah. I don't know why. And it don't got to do much. Like sometimes it could just be a plain Jane watch. Well, that is what you got on right now.

No, no, no. Now, no, that's why I said, not this one. You know what I mean? Because this one is a shut the fuck up while. Yeah, that's the media right. This is, yeah, I walk through the back. I definitely walk through the kitchen in here. This concludes the first half of my conversation.

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