Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - John Elway Part 1

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! John Elway, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, joins Shannon Sharpe on Club Shay Shay for an unforgettable conversation about football royalty, comeback greatness, and life after the NFL. Elway opens by reflecting on being the most feared and gifted QB of his era, the only player to throw for 3,000 yards and rush for 200 yards in seven straight seasons, retiring as the NFL’s winningest quarterback with 148 wins and a league-record 47 fourth-quarter game-winning drives. The Hall of Famer walks through his legendary résumé — NFL MVP, AFC Offensive Player of the Year, five Super Bowl starts, back-to-back championships, Super Bowl XXXIII MVP, and becoming the first person to ever win a Super Bowl as both a player and general manager. He shares why Denver made him “The Duke of Denver” and “King of the Comeback.” Elway and Shannon reminisce about the origins of Club Shay Shay at Broncos training camp, their card-playing days, favorite memories as teammates, and the infamous Seattle touchdown. Elway explains why Shannon was always his second-favorite receiver — right after the open one — and how patience helped Sharpe grow into a Hall of Famer. The episode dives into Elway’s toughest Super Bowl losses to the Giants, Redskins, and 49ers, how he handled depression, death threats, and the pressure that followed. He details the devastating Jacksonville playoff loss that led to the famous “It ain’t in the game plan, go get open” moment — and how those failures fueled Denver’s underdog victory over the Packers in Super Bowl XXXII. Elway recounts the Helicopter Run, winning back-to-back Super Bowls, retiring at 36 as a champion and MVP, and why he walked away instead of chasing a three-peat. He compares eras, explains how many seasons he could play today, and revisits his “welcome to the NFL” moments, worst injuries, and legendary arm strength. The conversation shifts to Stanford, missing the Heisman, refusing to play for the Colts, Terry Bradshaw’s criticism, and the full-circle moment of Bradshaw handing him the Lombardi Trophy. Elway opens up about being drafted by the Yankees, choosing football, and his Mount Rushmore of NFL players who also played baseball. Finally, Elway reflects on his years as Broncos GM — drafting Von Miller, recruiting Peyton Manning, building the 2015 championship defense — along with regrets like passing on Josh Allen, thoughts on today’s young quarterbacks, the “Elway Rule,” money advice, investing, business ventures with Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky, and the lessons of sacrifice that shaped his life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Sacred Lessons on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. We got to set this up. Okay, so this is the AFC championship. Less than two minutes ago, we're third and six, and we need this first down. Because I believe, if we don't get the first down, we're going to lose this game. We're going to lose the game. We're going, it ain't in the game plan. It ain't the game plan.

And I said, it is now. So go down seven yards to turn. Of 150 plays, how do I know one play that's not in the game player? It is now. Now, go get open. All my life. They're grinding all my life. Sacrifice.

Hustle paid the price. Want a slice. Got the roll of dice. That's why all my life. I be grinding on my life. All my life. Then grind in all my life. Sacrifice.

Hustle paid the price. Want a slice. Got to roll a dice. That's why. All my life. I be grinding on my life. Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sheshay. I am your host, Shannon Sharp.

I'm also the proprietor of Club Shet Shay, stopping by a very special guest, stopping by for conversation on the drink today. One of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, one of the most feared and gifted quarterbacks ever to play in the NFL. He's the only player in the NFL history to pass for more than 3,000 yards, rush for more than 200 yards in the same season, seven consecutive times. He's one of the winning ex-quirebacks in NFL history toward 148 victories when he retired. He's ranked number one in NFL history and fourth quarter comebacks, game winning drives or game saving drives, with 47 when he retired.

He's an NFL MVP in 1987, offensive player of the year in 1993, a member of the NFL all-decade teams of the 1990s. He's also a member of the various prestigious 100th anniversary team, which means he's one of the 100 greatest players to ever play in the NFL. He's the first quarterback to start five Super Bowls. He won back-to-back Super Bowls as a player helping the Broncos win their first ever Super Bowl. He's the Super Bowl MVP of Super Bowl 33. He also won the Super Bowl as a GM and executive with the Denver Broncos. He's the first person to win a Super Bowl as a player and a GM, a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's in the College Football Hall of Fame, Colorado Sports Hall of Fame, Denver Bronco Ring of Fame.

His number seven is one of three, retired by the Denver Broncos, a nine-time pro bowler, a five-time all-AFC, three-time all-pro, greatest and most accomplished player in Broncos history. A Broncos legend, football royalty, Denver's favorite son, the king of the company. back, the Duke of Denver. He's the third greatest trivia player in Broncos history behind myself and Duke, Barney Chavez, my teammate, my quarterback, here he is, the living legend, John Elway. Tell you what he doing. Can you fall me around with all that? That's a nice introduction. When you hear all those things, and obviously you've been retired over two decades, and you hear that because, and I tell people, when you play and you don't really have a chance to reflect on it, it's not until you're over with that you're like, damn. And

people remind you of just how great you were. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah, you do kind of forget it. I mean, the farther you get away from it, right? Then you move on with life, and especially when I was the GM, and then once, you know, a couple years ago and left the Broncos as the GM, then it was like you kind of move on to a different life. And so it's kind of come, it's fun to come back and visit it, right?

And so, yeah, it's, you know, that's why this Netflix film is great, too, and it was fun doing that too, because to go back and revisit the memories, jog your memory, it has been that long ago, right? So to go back and jogging, remember all the great things, all the fun we had. And so it's fun to look back and enjoy it a little bit. It's really fun to have you on Club Shashay. Do you remember when Club Shashay? Did it.

It was in a locker room, but I can't remember. 1996 we were in training camp. Keith Burns and Rod Smith Room because that's where we gamble. We played video games. We played cars. We did all those things. And I remember nobody wanted to be on the eighth floor. Because that's where all the noise were.

And we weren't going to bed before probably 2 o'clock in the morning. But I always thought it was very, very, I don't know why, and this is what I want to ask. Why was it so important for you? Because you would gamble with us. When we're in the locker room shooting poppy shot with the basketball, you put your pre-dium down, you gamble with us. Why was that so important for you to do that? Well, number one, I like doing it. You like trying to take our money.

Exactly. I thought you guys are easy targets. I'm going to show up because I love to play card. You know, and you can compete and do those type of things. Right. And also, I think, you know, it was like, as a quarterback, I always wanted to be a part of the team. Right. A member of the team, right? Because every man, you know, so many times you get put on the pedestal.

Correct. It was always important for me to try to get myself off that pedestal and spend time with teammates and, you know, play games and, you know, play cards and, you know, have fun and get to know everybody, right? So that's why it was always important to me because it was like I always wanted to be a part of the team. I didn't want to be above the team. I wanted to be a part of the team. Right. So that's why it was always. And it was always because we're at the back of the plane.

We're rolling dice in the aisle until Mike put a kibon to that. We're playing cards. We're doing all these things. I remember in training camp, when we would go out and we'd get a knife off one of those once to two times that we're in training camp and we go to the Smiley Moose. And you're like, hey, guys, what y'all do you do tonight? Like, hey, I guess we just go to the Moose and you would show up. You know, we made sure you were protected. Hey, nah, he ain't taking no pictures.

He didn't sign no autographs. He's just having a good time with the teammates. But for you to do that. Do you think that happens enough in today's game? You know, I think that, you know, it's, I get asked the question all the time. Wouldn't you love to play now in today's game? Yeah. You know, and my comment is, no, because I had such a great time when we played.

Yeah. You know, things were great. I think the game, obviously the game's changed. Correct. The rules have changed, athletes have changed. Social media has changed so much in the game. It's so much of it. Right.

And I think that, you know, you look at 98, 38, 30, both 32 and 33, the 90, you know, even really since when Mike came back, 95, and Mike came. came back and we had such good football teams that it was just so much fun to be together and Mike put the right kind of guys on the football team. So everybody got along and it really was a big family. It was. We talked about. So, you know,

that's why it's like, I loved playing when I played. I think today you know, and it's hard. I don't think it's the player's fault, but you know, the money is so much bigger now. You know, you have social media and players are doing so much more now off the field than I kind of used to and they have the

opportunity to do that, so God bless them. But I think it just, that doesn't create the team that we had and the closeness that we had on our team, right? And plus, I think Mike also helped with that a lot. A lot of times he let us, you know. We had a casino night, but then we'd have hat day on Friday. You guys go, hey, you go visit Mike, and we want a hat day. So I'd go out and visit Mike and get a hat day on Friday.

And he goes, yeah, but you better practice your ass off. Exactly. And so we came back down. I said, I got it, but we better practice our ass off. I would share a story that I've never shared before. But you know this. When Mike got back, we had this thing in training camp where we go bowling, offense against defense, and we had a fishing tournament.

First fish, biggest fish, most fish. I went to King Supras. I bought fish and the frozen fish. Put it on and threw it out there. Let it thought out a little bit. I forgot that part. I forgot that part. I didn't think that far advanced.

I didn't think that far advanced. But I reel the fish hit and the guy's like, hold on. either you fishing in the Pacific Ocean and this is a pond a big old king salmon or something right hey man I was just trying I was just trying to win but even that on top of that

fishing just again I mean I think we played golf that one day I think we played nine holes right we'd go play nine holes have the fishing deal but those are the type of things Mike that did that allowed us to you know to really bond as a team and I think the thing is John we really sincerely love being around each other

I mean, it wasn't a race to get up out of there. You know, we got there on time, but guys, we stayed around. We were shooting poppy shots. We were rolling dice. I mean, it'd be six. As Steve AdWords to say, man, y'all going to get me divorced because, you know, he's married and he's rolling dice with the single guys, but it was just fun. We really enjoyed being around each other.

And I think that really helped the team bonding and helped us become as close as we became. Oh, no doubt. I mean, that, you know, and then we got in tough times and, you know, tough situations and games and those type of things. I think all that stuff really helped us out. Plus, we were really good. It was fun being really good. This episode is brought to you by prize picks. It's the holiday season, the best time of year for sports,

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because that's exactly i can't you know what it was you know the thing is shantan you were you were outside to start with as a whiteout right which was which was for me a great thing because you were a big target, right? I'd had the three amigos for so long. But, you know, Rod came along. He was a bigger target. But did you come in the same year as Rod? No, I came in in 90.

90. Rod came in. 94. Oh, okay. Because remember, he's going to practice squad, and he didn't get the start until Mike came in 95. Okay, that's right. So I have a tough time with the dates

because this was a long time ago. But, you know, you were the first big target, right? Because I had the three amigos. Now, they were, you know, they were great players and, you know, but totally different. So I was looking for a big target. So I love seeing Shannon outside and watching them run around because he could run and catch and had great hands.

And so it was just a matter. I just remember you were a little, what's the word I'm looking for? Did not have the experience. A little raw. There it is. Yeah, raw. A little raw. A little raw.

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That would hold it. 665, 1-1, ready, break. So, but, and the thing is, I just remember, we had this drill and you, I don't even remember who the third quarterback was, but knew it was you and Koo. And the DB was in front of us, and, you know, we take off, and you would throw it, and we try to jump over the DB and catch the football. And I remember I drew the assignment. I was like, I would have to draw the tallest Dennis Smith, who's six for Kahuna.

I was like, why I got to try to jump up over here? Why couldn't I get, uh, uh, Kit Carrington? Why could I jump up on Gil? But you threw the ball and I jumped over him. And I literally like had my knees on his shoulder. And I caught the ball and you came and you looked at me. You're like, do you realize what you just did? I was like, damn, I messed up.

What, I was supposed to catch it like this? He's like, nah, do you realize how high you were up in the air? I was like, I junked as I needed to catch the ball. You're like, you just keep doing that. You just keep doing that. What was it about what you saw in me? Because you took a liking to me. I'm not so sure you had ever taken a liking to another player like that before or since.

What was it about me that you saw in me that you was like, you know what, this kid could be special? Well, I mean, I think, you know, you're having this show and everything that you're always very engaging, right? You're fun to be around and you like to joke and have a good time. And plus, I think that you were a guy that wanted to learn. You wanted to be a great player. You wanted to make it. And I think that, you know, just your curiosity and, you know, the questions that you asked to try to make yourself a better player. I think there's what, you know, plus I saw that, and plus your size and your speed and everything, I knew you could be special in this league.

So I was on your side because I was going to benefit the most. Well, look, at the end of the day, Coach Reeves made it. was smart enough to draft me, but somehow he was, forgot to cut me. But I think you had a large part of that, because like you said, and Coach Reeves, you know, there's a lot of people pulling for you. They put me on special teams. I didn't ever play no special teams before. They're like, can you play special teams?

I was like, yep, never played special teams before by life. But they put me on kickoff, kickoff return, punt return. I was a gunner, the biggest gun in the history of the game. But it was just the fact that I'm thinking to myself, I was like, man, this dude really, he really wants me to succeed and you know I was always so much more talent to everybody else so it was easy you know high school college was really easy but coming here and everybody was an all-American everybody was this and that at bigger schools I was like man I can't let him down and I just remember you telling me that look I don't care who's on you if you're one-on-one I'm throwing

you to football you better catch it like well damn that's it I was like he has more confidence to me than I got it myself but do you remember when I remember dad they uh Greek came and got me and said Dan wanted to talk to me. I was like, damn, I'm going to get cut. I mean, it's, damn, I thought I had made it. I had made the team. And Dan told me they're going to move me to tight end. You, you, would you? I was like, sure. I'd be willing, but at that time, John, I hadn't dropped so much weight. I mean, I think I was about 2.10 trying to play tight end. So we get in practice. I never told this story in practice either. So I, they put me in motion. I stopped. Hold on. What I got again, John?

He said, don't, don't worry about it. Just, we're going to put you in motion. I just want you to go 100 miles an hour. This is, we're a mile high, 5,280 feet. If you ever been to Colorado, you understand the altitude. So imagine me going in motion. So they put me in motion for the entirety of the game. And people didn't believe this when I said this in my speech because I had never said it before, is that they put me in motion the entire game. And as you're calling out the signals, as I run by you, tell me what I'd have to run. But why? Why do you just say, Dan, he doesn't know the plays right now. until he's able to get up to full speed,

I don't know if we could play it. Well, I knew you'd get to play it. You know, and plus, that's how much I thought of you as a player, right? And especially with you moving to tied end, you know, and really it was more of an H-back, right, more of an H-back, which, you know, is a receiver. But the thing is, you can add to, you know, to me it was even a better spot for you. Obviously, it turned out being a better spot for you. But I wanted you to stay around.

And I knew how bad you wanted it. And so therefore, you know, and I knew the play, you know, I knew everything. I knew eventually you would get it. Yes. You were, you know, still very raw. Yes. And it was just going to take time. So a lot of times I did it's just to make sure you knew. I knew sometimes, you know, and if it wasn't too loud, we could do it at home a lot more than we could on the road. But I could tell if you didn't know what you'd do.

And that's what I for sure told you. But, you know, eventually I, you know. You let me go. Yeah, you knew everything that was going on. And it was just a matter. And I think that was, as I keep using the word raw, you know, because of what you hadn't learned, you'd just scratched the surface. Right. Right. And experience takes time.

It does. Right? And so, you know, that's all you needed. And once you get that experience, you just absolutely took off. And, you know, and I say this all the time, they always ask me, they say, who's your favorite receiver? I say, well, number one is the open one. Right. And number two, it's Shannon Sharp. Right.

And the reason why is we had such great matchups, you always got great matches. Yes. You would swat off little debes. Yes. And then the backers couldn't, the backers, they couldn't run away from there. They couldn't run with you. Right. And so that's why you were such a great play.

playing in the Hall of Fame because of the matchups that we got with you. And that's why for me, when it was nut-cutting time and we had a big play, we needed a third down, and I bring up the Pittsburgh game that I always knew that if it was man coverage, I had a great match-up with you. And I just had your catch radius was so big, right? So if I got pressure or whatnot, if I got it in the area, a chance of you're going to come down with it. Back to that play.

Normally, we practice the plays during the week that we're going to run the game. And so we put this play in. If I'm not mistaken, I think it's all people. We got to set this up. Okay. So this is the AFC championship. In 1997. Yep. 97. 78 season because we're going to

the 96 season. 96th season. 97. Super Bowl, right? Yeah. Just go to Super Bowl 32. Yeah, Super Bowl 32. So we're in three rivers. This is a year after we got upset by Jackson. Jackson was in the first round when we were 13, 3 at the long field, and we got upset. So now we got to go

to Pittsburgh. We just got out of Kansas City before. We pounded on Miami or Jacksonville when they came back in that year. So we're in Pittsburgh and now it's, we went up like 21 to 3. Yeah, we did. Well, Ben, we feeling good about ourselves. Yeah. And so

all of a sudden it's coming back and now we're there's less, maybe less than two minutes to go. We're third and six and we need this first out. Because I believe if we don't get the first time, we're going to lose this game. We're going to lose games. They had all the momentum. They had all the momentum and I think it was 21 to 20

I can't remember the score but we this was the play we either make this player we don't timeout go to the sideline Gary and Mike over there and say okay Gary Gary's there and say we're going to go 324 all hitch I said okay that's fine da-da-da-da-da it was a TV

timeout so I get back the hud and I just say tell everybody what we're doing we're going 324 all hitch and I told everybody get past get down past the first one mark and it was you know we were split up Whiz and Sinko, empty. Yeah, yeah.

So it was just go down past market, and I'm going to take the best look. Right. And try to get the first down. As soon as I say, it's 324 all hitch. And all of a sudden, and now we've run 324 all hitch the whole year. I mean, it's like we ran it in training camp.

It's in our base installation every year. That started back in May, Shannon starts going, well, it ain't in the game plan. It ain't the game plan. And I said, it is now, so go down seven yards to turn. He said, go get open. Because I had memorized the plays because, like you said,

I didn't really know, like when I came in, I was so wrong. And so I made it my, to know every play that was in the game playing. And I'm like, that's not in the game plan. That's not, of 150 plays, how do I know one play that's not? That's not in the game plan. It is now. Now, go get open. And we get the hardest coverage.

They go cover five, which is man, two under, but the backer. is up, is playing underneath, and I don't realize it until I turn around. It's Greg Lloyd. Jason Gilder. Jason Gilder. Jason Gilder. All he had to do, if he does this, the ball hits the back of his hand, hissed the, but he tried to swipe. Yeah.

And by the time he did this, the ball was already there, and I spins away, and I get the, and I was like, Lord, have mercy. Well, you caught it back here. Yeah, because I just remember in 91, John, we had a situation against the Raiders, and I dropped the ball in the South End Zone and I line up tight they motioned me out and they walk the backer out

and I'm like one-on-one I got it, got it. If I catch this ball we're going to have home field throughout the playoffs. I drop it. We end up having to go to Buffalo. We end up losing the Buffalo

in the AMC Championship 10-7. And I just remember thinking that I was going home and I was crying and I called my brother and said, man, I just messed up. He said, what happened? I said, I dropped a touchdown and I know it would have given us home

field throughout the playoffs. He said, don't worry about it. You'll get another opportunity. And it took six years, basically, for that opportunity to present itself. I said, if I ever put get back in this situation, I ain't letting this happen again. And man, that was, I don't think, I don't think we sat down. The plane was taking off. We were still standing up. That's the best part about charter fights because they don't really tell you what to do. We kind of like do our own thing. That was, of all the soup bowls and all the, that's probably my greatest moment. There There's nothing like that. I mean, obviously, the beating the pack of in the Super Bowl, but what was your favorite play, though?

Me and you, what's your favorite play? Was it that? You and I? Yeah. That's the one I talk about all the time. But we, you know, we had so many, you know, and the thing is, and this thing's, you know, that's why I did this Netflix film to get this thing going so I could remember different things. But, you know, that's the one that always sticks out to me. And plus, plus it was so funny when you're going, well, that ain't the game.

It is now. He realized he's like, I remember him asking me. like, why do your voice do that when you get excited? He said, are you doing, are you doing that on purpose? It's like, nah, it's just like when I get excited. It goes up like three octaves because, but I remember in the Netflix, you like the David Brandon played in Seattle in the old kingdom. People don't realize if you never played it, how loud that place gets. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That place got loud. It was only like, what, 55, 60,000, but they're like right there on top of you. And it was all cement. Yes. So the noise.

bounced off everything. And so that was by far the noisiest place of anywhere that we played. And we, this was, this had to be 90, this was 93. When you take the shotgun snap and he comes in unblocked. Now, I don't know of all the things why you didn't spend out, because a lot of times you'd like to spin out. Yeah. But this, this for whatever reason, you just dug up under.

Yeah. And flat foot, it throws him all about 60 yards. Yeah. And we had all seams on. And I got players black, and for the touchdown. Did you like, you're like, oh, he got there somewhere. Well, no, I mean, that was one of my, you know, and I, you're right, you know, and the thing is there's so many things when you're playing, you know,

and that's why I don't think I'd have been a good coach, because there's a lot of things that I can't explain why I did things, right? Or why I reacted. You just react, right? And so, you know, in that situation, it was probably because there was nowhere to go anywhere else, and he was coming so hard. Yes. Right? So, you know, I was able to duck and then, you know, get the ball to you. But that was, you know, that's one of my favorite plays that I've had, too, as far as, you know, in my career that, you know, was able to put it on the money to you and at least avoid that sack there. I remember in meetings, we used to sit next to each other.

And as cool that they're going through the game plan, I would write on you, I'm like, okay, this week seems like, like 252 touchdowns, you give me the thumbs up. There's sometimes just a mess with you. I'm like, yeah, this seems like maybe 175, y'all in a touchdown. You, like, crossed that out. No, I'm thinking like $300 and $3.30. But what was it about our chemistry and our makeup?

Because we did a lot of things in practice. And I was like, this seems a little long. I mean, I don't know if I'm going to have time. And you're like, okay, run it like this in practice because I know you're going to speed it up in the game. Because we had that interaction, what they were called. Because at the end of the day, they're like, well, why did you do it like that? I say, because the guy that has the ball, who's going to throw me the ball. He told me to run it like that.

You didn't have no ball. So I'm listening to him. Yeah, but you know, you're right, Shannon, there was just a, you know, we just had that, right? We thought a light, we talked a lot about it, as you said. And I think, and the thing is, I had so much confidence in you, right? And so that to me is what, and I just knew that we're getting a good, and I knew that if I put it close, it wasn't going to get picked, right, right?

Because I was not always on target, you know, that it wasn't, but just the confidence that I had in you that, you know, it was, I got another story I'll bring up and I can't remember what I think it was I might have been my last year in 99 and I remember we're playing here and I get pressure or something like that and I have to throw the ball to the front side

and you're on the back side and they didn't even cover you right and you're over there he's waving and he's throwing his arms down and I'm looking at him like we get to the sideline I said don't you ever do that to me again I said I couldn't see I was getting pressure

and said don't make me look You know, don't, like, I'm supposed to be looking at you because the reeds on the other side, you weren't even in the progression. I was not. You want to play quarterback? You think you can play quarterback? No, I can't play.

So I was still mad at him. So the next week of practice, I wouldn't throw on the ball. Hey, that was sure. I was sure. Yeah, I mean, I forgot. You know what? I forgot all about that. That was absolutely right.

I'm like, hold on. I remember asking BP, I was like, what the hell am I doing? I run all these rounds. I'm supposed to be one in the progression. He's going two to three. I said, there's some bulljive, man. So we get to Friday, and he is now mad. He's going to Brian Perry on and the tight-end coach.

And then Brian grabs me. He goes, would you please throw the ball to Shannon? I said, well, you make sure that he's not going to show me off in the middle in front of 76,000 people again. He goes, okay, no, he won't. I promise he would. I said, okay, he's learned his lesson. Trash talk.

Did you ever do any trash talk, or do I do a good enough of everything? You took care. You were great at, right? So you handled most of that. No, I didn't really, you know, I'd get small chippins at guys defensive linemen and da-da-da-da-da, but, you know, especially if, you know, later in the game and you get mad or something like that, then, you know, small. But I never liked to, you know, how many times guys,

I'm coming to get you today? I said, well, you know where I'll be. Right. I'll be right here. Right. You got to get through these five first, but I'll be right here. But, no, that wasn't, you know, there's enough going on, you know, with next play.

figuring out down a distance and all the different things you have to do as a quarterback that I didn't waste a lot of time with it. I love the fact. I think we played Indy. We played Andy here in 93 and you threw a pass and Steve Edmund was the number one picking the draft and he knocked it, he batted the ball down and he's going crazy. You're like, bro, you're the number

one picking the draft. You're supposed to knock it down. We come back to the very next play and throw a touchdown. He's like, I guess you didn't knock that one down. I'm like, oh, my quarterback, you talk a little trash, huh? The Super Bowls You went to five, started five

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We just didn't, we, you know, and then we, you know, Rich, Carlos made the longest field goal on Super Bowl history, and then we missed one. We had first one goal on the one right before half and came away with no points. So I ended up going away, going into halftime 10-9. And so that one, you know, we played really good the first half, and then the Giants just kind of steamroll us that second half, you know, the second half. And so that was disappointing, but it was all right, it was the first one. They were good.

they beat us. And then the next year we go and we're actually favorites against the Redskins. You get out to the great start. Y'all think you started to let 10-0. We're up 10-0. First play of the game, we throw a bomb to Rikki-a-Di-N-A. So we go up seven, right? Then there's a, they had kicked off, we had kicked off or whatnot.

We got a fumble, didn't get it. And then it was like 19 plays later. We're down 35-10, right? So, and then we had a bad, we were probably 500 in 88. And then 89, we're playing the 49ers. you know, they were like... They were a machine. They were a machine.

And the funny thing is, we were in practice in Tulane. And back then, we just had the two quarterbacks. Gary and I, and so we'd always, we'd split on, when we're taking the offense, I'd go forward, Gary'd go to. And then when scout team, Gary'd go forward, I'd go to. So we're down in practicing that Tulane down in New Orleans. And, you know, we're kind of tearing them up as a scout team. And we're throwing these posts, right?

Because our reeds, we're reading it like we're supposed to. And our reads, there's no free safety. And so, you know, John Taylor and Jerry Rice are running a post on either side. And so we're hitting these posts. And we're going, wow. And so Charlie, our defense coordinator, Charlie White was guessing, how long ago, stop throwing the post? They don't throw the post, right?

And I'm like, well, that's the West Coast offense. I grew up with that in college. That's all we threw. And one of the first reads was there was always a built-in post. There's always a built-in post And so there's no free safety Right That's your first read

I was like, uh-oh Because why is one of that basic Clause and he jump it Yep We stopped throwing the post And Jerry ends up scoring That's down on the post But you know

We were just outman there And they were a much better football team than we were So that was the toughest one Right Just because now of a sudden it's like Here comes Well can't win the big one You know da da da da

And so that was that one lingered for a long time. Actually, you know, it took us eight years to get back. Right. Until we finally get back. How did that mess with you mentally? Because in 87, you won the MVP and you were the highest graded player at that point in time to ever come out of come out of college, Mel Kriper's grade. You was like the, no, you were supposed to, you're the goal.

You were supposed to win, like, have four of these things by now. Right. And now all of a sudden, you're suffering the most lopsided Super Bowl losses and they progressively getting worse and worse. And I remember you told a story like, I don't even want to go back if we ain't got no better chance to wait at what we got. So how was that dealing with you? How was that mentally on you? You know, it was, the

thing is you couldn't get away from it. Yes. Right? You couldn't get away from it because that's all the media wanted to talk about, right? It's the fact is, you know, will your career be complete if you don't win a super? Correct. Right. And so I lied my whole life saying, well, you're right. Yeah, yeah. I'd be proud.

Which is which is not true. I knew that, you know, for me to be considered a great player, great quarterback, that we had to win a Super Bowl at some point in time. And so, you know, the hardest thing was you couldn't, like I said, we couldn't escape it because it got brought up every year, right? And each year we make the playoffs lose the first round or second round, you know, that'd come back and it'd come back and it'd come back.

And so, but on top of that, it also added more incentive, right? And so it kept me working hard and, you know, you were a great influence. I mean, I thought I worked hard in the weight room until I saw you work hard in the weight room. And, you know, and I got pretty strong. I always remember, too, which I was the Great Unveiling. Every year. See, we never talk about the, I don't know about the unveiling, too.

They don't know about the Great Unveiling. Yeah. So, we'd work out four times a week, and Shannon was in there. We'd get in there at both the same time, and obviously he was working with a different group than I was, but he would always wear these big baggy shirts, and long, long sleeves, da-da-da-da. And so he just sat there and he'd work his tail off and, you know,

it'd just get like the Hulk. And so at the end of the off-season program every year, we'd be, we'd call it the Great Unvailing. And that's when Shannon would take his shirt off and go and start fluxing in the show everything that he'd worked for in the last four weeks. So that went on for my last six years. I was always, when's the Great Unvailing? I wouldn't even shower with nobody.

So they never saw, as always, I was. was always long-slee, always covered. And he was asked me, I even practiced like that for, you know, I always practiced with long-sleevely. And he's like, why do you do that? He says, you know, some bailing, you guys, top secret. You can't see, you can't see you until you see. And then, you know, it's like, damn. He's like, what do you eat your dad?

He's like, what do you eat anything? Because, you know, I brought my own food and everything. I was always diligent about what I ate. I didn't have any sauces, anything like that. Because I felt, you know, the work I put into the off-season, I wasn't going to ruin it. once I got back in season. So I stayed conscious of that. But that was, that was.

But the, yeah, the great ending. But getting back to the fact that, you know, it was just a matter, added a little more fuel of the fire, you know, and then, you know, Dan got fired, and then Wade came in. There was kind of some excitement there. We went eight and eight to two years. No, we went to the playoffs that first year. Yeah, we played the Raiders back to back one year.

We went to L.A. home and then back to L.A. Yes. If we'd have won that game, they had to come here. Correct. They beat us. And I remember that game, we were cooking them. Me and you were cooking them. We got up to that great start.

And that's the game. I think I needed a 121 yards to get $1,000. And I was going to get $100,000. That was $100,000 with a lot of money back. It still is, but it was really, really, really a lot of money back there. Because Kansas City, I was only making like $300,000. And I remember I caught $6 for $1.15 and two touchdown. And then I looked at the stat sheet, and I had $9.95.

And I was like, God, dang. Because on the plane, we always sought across from each other. So I'm sitting on this side and you're sitting on that side and the aisle. You're like, T, what, you know, besides we lost the game, what happened? I said, man, if I got a thousand yards, I'd have got $100,000. I only needed five yards. And you looked at me, you said, don't never let that happen again. I don't care if you need 25 yards.

You tell me I'll get you the ball. And then we go back out there the following week, you throw me $13 for a buck 56. I said, I need it $13 for a buck, $56. last week. But what type of toll did I take on at home? Did I take a toll on home losing like that knowing, and this is what I tell people to teach. I say the harder you work for something and when it doesn't come to fruition, the more it hurts. Yeah. I said if you work for, I don't care what it is. If you work for something really hard and when it doesn't pan out, it hurts like hell. Anybody that tells you it doesn't, they're not working hard enough or doesn't mean

enough to them. Exactly. And I think that, yeah, I mean, it does, you know, the disappointment. And as you know, the older you get, you know, So, you know, my dad always said, don't ever let winning be a relief and losing be a tragedy. Oh, right? Yes. And the older you get, that's kind of, you know, that's when you know you're kind of getting close to the end. Because now of a sudden, you really don't get the joy because football is hard enough. Yes.

That if you don't enjoy the victories, as much as you hate the losses, it doesn't balance out. It gets a lobside and it makes it that much tougher. But, you know, I think that, and I had a thought right there on what you had just said as far, oh, working hard. The thing that I learned there, though, was. because I know going in those first three Super Bowls that I try it harder each time. Right, right? And one thing I learned is the bigger the game,

you've got to calm yourself down and relax yourself to where you're saying, okay, I'm going to go out and play the best game I've ever played. I got to play great. I got to do this. I got to do that. I got to do this. Which all it does is add more pressure to you. Just like going into Super Bowl of 32.

It's like, all right, don't think about the outcome. Right. Forget about the outcome. take it one day one play at a time don't think about it and don't watch tv stay out of all the hoopla right yeah and just go play a football game and don't think about it being on the super bowl or anything else to where you're not putting that much more pressure on you because by the time i got to san francisco in that third one i'm sitting and going i'm going to have to win this by myself right right which is the worst thing you could do and all i did and i played terrible right so going into that

Super Bowl 30. The Green Bay game was a fact that, okay, let's just go concentrate on one play. Don't think about, don't even think about it what it would feel like to be world champion. Right. Right. Don't even, don't let that enter your mind. Go out and play a football game and everything else will fall in line. And so that was kind of, you know, jumping ahead a little bit. But that's what my thought process was going into the Green Bay game. And, you know, I played better there and we were able to win the football game. But it got so bad after those losses that you had to have.

They have police behind them because you started getting death threats. I mean, they have police standing behind you just to make sure

ain't nobody get you at the game. Well, I mean, it's like in the first Super Bowl we lost. We had like 500,000 people at the parade and the last one we lost.

There was like 20,000 people. But in the Green Bay, the one that we won, did you think we could lose? Because I went to, maybe it was just naïe to take. But I didn't think we could lose.

I didn't think Green Bay could beat us. I didn't either, especially with the game plan that we had. Yes. And Mike and Gary, did such a great job with that game plan. If you remember, we split you out the whole game to get Leroy Butler out of the box. Because Leroy Butler was playing strong safety and he would mess. You never

knew where he was going to be. He'd mess up the running game. He'd mess everything up. And that's where I think Gary and Mike did such a fantastic job, putting them outside. Plus, they knew how good they were in the secondary. Right. Two great corners and Robinson and pre-safety that they were that good, that, you know, we're going to have to run the football. Right. And by spreading everybody out, getting you out, getting Leroy Butler out of the box, so he couldn't screw things up. And then TD just, you know, went crazy for us. And, uh, I just, I often ask, I said, man,

I wonder what, how many yards he would have had had he not missed the entire second quarter. Yeah. Because he had 157 in three quarters. Right. He might have been, he might have broke Timmy Smith's record. No, no question. No question. Because he was, and that's the thing is.

And I remember, too, Green Bay put it, the extra guy they put down was a D-Liman. Yes. Right? And, and, and so our guy, up front nailing Shlareth, Zimmerman, Habib, and Tony Jones. I mean, they just, they absolutely wore them out. Did you get sack that game? I don't think you got, did you? I don't think so. I don't think so. We didn't throw it. We threw it like 23, 24 times, right?

But no, they just wore them out. I remember Gilbert Brown. Big grip with a big ribbing on one knee. Oh, he's on the side light. Look at it. I know. I remember that game too. I remember late in the game. It's like we're going in to score our last touchdown. Yes. And Green Bay had called. timeout and I went to the sideline and I said because we're on a one yard line. So they had a couple timeouts left. So I went and I said Mike let me let me nose dive. Let me sneak it to the half

yard line. Make them use another time out because they're not going to stop us. Right. Right. And then Cruz, I don't think we got to do that. We got to score the points but you know and that's when the one they just they're talking about well we let them score. Y'all hadn't stopped them all day. I know. They did let us go. They wanted the ball back. They wanted the ball back. because they just open, like, I was like, well, damn, we did a great job on that. And you see Eugene Robinson, he comes down, he basically two hands touch it, like, okay, they get the ball back.

And then I remember Greg Robertson, rest your soul, he's like, Mike, how do you want to call it? And Mike was telling him, like, just do what you're always done. Greg was a pressure guy. Greg loved to bring pressure. And I remember the last call, and he's on the sideline, bomb, blow it up. Fourth of ten. Blow it up. Oh, yeah.

And that's when, because we lost Steve Atwater. Steve, well, Steve knocked out, like, he knocked out. They're one of our guys. At that point, Randy Hillier, he knocked out Randy. Randy Hillier and Robert Brooks and himself. Yeah. Croc had pulled his hamstrings, so he's out. Right.

So we're down three DBSs in the secondary. Right. And so I was like, oh, Lord. And then when I saw Greg on the sideline telling him blow it up, I said, oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, man, it seemed like it's slow motion. It was just, I'd be like, I'm looking, okay, he's back, he throws the ball, I'm tracking

the ball, and I was like, moving to pick, but he's been dropping him all year, so I'm not surprised, I don't know why, I thought he was going to catch it, and then I realized it's like, and we just erupt, and we're standing next to each other, it's like, we're running on to the field, man. Oh, yeah. That is the greatest feeling. That was. That was the greatest win I ever had by far, the fact that it had raised somebody

of those other things, but it was just, yeah, I can still remember the feeling, and And it's just, it was hard to believe. Yes. It probably took me three days or a week to really figure out that we're world champion. Yes. And then we get back to that parade and we see a million fans out there. It's like, yeah, it was unbelievable.

Special time. But you know, the year before, like you said, we're 13 and 3. I mean, we're cruising. We're crushing everybody. I mean, the last game, you didn't play, I didn't play, T, he played the Chargers. We had everything sewn up. And Mike was like, hey, we're going to take this time. Don't even worry about it, blah, blah, blah.

And then we get jagged. They had just been a team. They just came into the league in 95. Like, oh, yeah, we got these bums. Yeah. And we got out to a, I remember, we got out to a 12-0-0 league. We go for two. You split out, split out wide left.

We throw the slant, and I don't open up far enough. And I was like, damn. So it's 12-0 instead of 14-0. And then the next three-quarters, it was like a dream. It was like a nightmare. Yeah. I mean, everything. We got to show.

shallow we got the perfect play call on the shallow cross i mean the guy gets picked you throw it and in the process of me pulling it in end i punch it out with my knee yeah it was one of those days right i mean you have those days and brinell and the jaggs played well they played really well brinell threw the ball really well and put it on target so that though i think was what led to the next two years of that incentive of knowing how bad that one hurt you know because i'm looking at it too is like those super bowls were bad that one was just as bad too yes because I was in my, I was in my 14th year that year, right? I mean, that window is really close.

So, you know, that was as big of, you know, toughest loss as, you know, and I had counting the Super Bowls. And so what do you think it had, you know, it set up the next two years for us. Incentive-wise, you know, when I was thinking about how good we were and start concentrating, like you just said, we got these bombs, right? That's when it turned it around and we just started concentrating on how well we were going to play, concentrate on our standards, what we had to play and how we had to play. and you know so that's you know what i still believe that you got to have those tough ones that

they say you don't forget that hurt that bad you don't forget them and it led us to those next to you what do you think we did wrong the jacksville game yeah you know i don't think you just have those days and i you know it's been a while since i've seen the film on the game i ain't never seen i don't want to see yeah you know but you know i think it's just one of those things and that's why you got to be ready especially in the NFL anybody can beat anybody on a given day It doesn't matter if you're home field, you get comfortable with you in home field. And, you know, so, you know, and we had taken a week off, right, like you said. Yep.

You know, and I think, you know, you take that week off, your mind relaxes a little bit. You know, when you're in the season, it's like by weeks. When you're in the season, you can't, I could never get away. I never want to go on a vacation or name because I knew if you unload at all, it's twice as hard to get it back. And it takes you a couple weeks to get back. And so I think that, you know, we might unload a little bit there, weren't quite as sharp as we needed to be.

And, you know, and they played well. They played, they played, you know. You know, it's kind of like last week with Broncos. And, I mean, you look at the numbers, Jacksonville just played unbelievable. They played really good. They sat them five times, uh, uh, uh, bow necks. I mean, the numbers that might be a little distorted, but Jacksonville played extremely well offensively every time, you know, we come with a blitz and then they throw the swing

out to the back to the back side and they're running down the field. You know, we missed a couple of taxes on some hitches, you know, which, which, which those, You know, it's funny, and we've talked about this before. You look at an NFL game, there's five plays that make a difference. Yep, right? Absolutely. There's five plays that make a difference because everybody's so close. And you can always look at those.

You don't know if that one plays is going to be in the first quarter, second quarter, but there's five plays that made a difference. And those five plays last week with the Broncos and the Jags, the Jags made those five plays. And that's why they end up winning a football game. You win that Super Bowl in 32. The adulation, I don't know if I had. And I had at that point in time, I had been around you long as a player, Well, Atwater had.

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And then there was a decision, okay, you're coming back. And the process of coming back, did you know at that season 16 that that was going to be your last year? I had a pretty good idea, you know, and I think that, you know, at 95, people were more people talked about me coming back than me really thinking I wasn't coming back, right? I was playing on coming back. I was still healthy, had a good year that year, and, you know, didn't get banged up. The thing about in 98 was, you know, I fell on the ball in Cincinnati, down on the one-yard lane that jumped on top of me and it popped a rib cartilage, you know, and so I came out the next week. I tried to play the next week against the Chargers. Bubby started a game.

I was in there getting shot up trying to figure out if I could, and I'll never forget. So then I'd come back in the second series. It's third and seven, and we busted a scheme, blocking scheme. Junior's say, oh, because untouched hits me right here, and I'm just like, oh. You know, and then I'd pull the hamstring against Dallas. I think it's a couple games, two or three games there. And so it was just, I knew the body was breaking. down a little bit. So after the 98

season, I kind of knew and especially the way it finished. And then it was almost like, even I was like this is too weird that we're playing Dan in a Super Bowl. Right. Right. That how this comes full circle and everything that came about is that, you know, is God telling me

something. Yeah. Right? Number one. And number two is my greatest fear was I didn't want to play, never wanted to play a Super Bowl in the rain. Right? Yep. Never wanted to play in the rain. And so that whole week, I'm in my room watching the weather channel. I watched the weather channel the whole week.

It was 50-50 weather. It was going to rain or not. And so we win the game and do the trophy comes and get the trophy. And it is 10 minutes later. We get the locker room and it opens. It just opens up. I'm like going, God's telling me something. God tell me something.

But, you know, it was just for me to have to have such a fond memories. And, you know, and if I hadn't, I don't think of it. My body had reacted better the year before where I wasn't hurt all the time or missed the four games that I missed that, you know, I would have probably come back, but I was like, yeah, I don't want to, I didn't want to go out. I want to go out on top. I didn't want to go down, you know, this way. You know, so it was, it was the right time. And remember in 97, we're in Mexico City and you tear your bicep. Yeah. And I remember coming over there, I remember looking at it like John, it started like John tore his bicep, towards bicep. I was like, damn, we're going to miss some time. And I remember going over there looking. And I was like, you, you folded your arm up. I was like, that's the first time you ever had definition of your biceps. You looked at me like, hey, I tore my biceps, you crack a joke. And so that's like, but I guess a couple, I guess, like, you didn't tear it all the way off the bone because there's like, you didn't miss any time.

Well, I tore the outside. Outside, okay. Right? The inside, if you tear the inside as the one. And now, I tore the outside one and people never knew. And I'd had, I'd had a couple years, I'd have some tendonitis. Right. You know, so it was hard to get loose.

and it was sore because of all the throws. And so I tore the outside, and so that's when I rolled up, it bundled up. Yeah. And I was like, you know, that was the first week, first preseason game that went down there. So they said, they really didn't know, Greek really didn't know, the doctors didn't know, because they'd never really seen it with a thrower. Right.

With a football player, I guess that's a baseball injury or something, right? Yeah, yeah. And so they said, well, we're going to wait seven, ten days. And so, you know, gut treatment on it for the next ten days. And when I came back out, I was like a new man, I was like a new man. You were hungry. I was like, man, he don't fool us. The tenant ice.

He just wanted days off. He wanted days. That's what that was. But it was like, the tendonitis is gone. Everything was gone. And so, you know, I just had a bigger bicep and you did. Do you think if you had come back, if Mike had done a great job and come back, do you think we could have three peter? You think we could have made it back to the playoffs and rolled a knife?

That didn't interest you? Yeah, that did. I wasn't sure we could do that. that I had looked at the schedule. You know, and so, I mean, I think that, yeah, we probably had a good enough football team that we could have and the mindset was good enough. Yes.

And so, yeah, I think we could have, but it was, like I said, get back to the, on the personal side and the physical side, whether, you know, I'd be able to hold up. What went into the decision? You make the decision. You're like, God has showed me something.

I'm coming full circle. My first NFL coach, I played him in the Super Bowl. I hated playing in the rain and definitely didn't want to play a Super Bowl in the rain. And 10 minutes after I get this trophy, we get off that stadium, the heavens open up. And so now you've got to make a decision. How long did it take you to come to that decision that you know what this is it? You know what? I want to really take my time, right?

I wanted to take the time because I didn't want to say, okay, you know, you got to get away from the game. You got to get away. Obviously, we're at a high winning the Super Bowl. And so to me, I had to get away from it to be able to make a, sound decision on what was right or on. I wanted to see how I, because I felt great at the time when a Super Bowl, I wanted to see how I felt about the same things I was thinking three, four months later. Right.

So I, you know, so I just took the time. You know what I, you know, I think Shannon, the other thing is it was getting tougher to playing cold weather. Yes. You know, that's what I tell people about. It's tough getting playing into cold weather. And then all the other stuff, right? The media stuff and all that kind of stuff.

I'd been doing it for so long. is like, do you want to come, you know, and I despise it. And so it's like, you really want to come back and do that, you know, and, you know, you can spend more time with the kids, boom, boom. So all those things were factors to where I said. And plus, you know, to be able to write off on the sunset, think back, you know, your last game was, you know, Super Bowl and two Super Bowl. That's two years.

Back to Super Bowl, MVP. Have great memories. And, you know, to where I didn't want to, I didn't want to clunker thrown in there at the end if I couldn't, you know, physically I couldn't handle anymore. So that's why I think it was the best decision. Right. I remember, you know, John's going to retire here and that, but you postponed it because you were supposed to do it and Columbine happened.

So you had to postpone it a month. Yeah. And then, you know, we came out there and, you know, I remember like, damn. I know. I, you know, and I didn't want to retire. I want this thing to be 27. Yeah. Because it was so much fun.

But, yeah, it was just a. You know, and I talk to my dad a lot. He was always a good sounding board. Right. And, you know, as players, Shannon, we're the last ones to know that we're not as good as we were. Absolutely. Right? We always think that this is what, our confidence is what made us what we were.

Right? Now, the talent, too. But the confidence of what we had is really what made us what we were and the players that we were. And so that's why I always wanted to bounce it off my dad to say, okay, am I, Am I seeing the same thing? Because I asked him after 97, I said the same thing. He goes, John, you haven't lost a step. You can still play, boom, boom, boom.

You know, and plus the offense was so friendly with Terrell and behind me and the offense and playing for Mike was great. So, you know, that's what made it so tough. But it was, you know, 98, it was more physical than anything whether I could take the whole year. I mean, I could now. Oh, yeah. But I think the thing, you know what the biggest thing is, John,

as we get older, and this is, and I never talk to you about this, is that we just can't do it with the regularity we once could when we were younger. Yeah. I could put together 100 yards, 100 yards. I remember, you know, we played the charges here. I go 13 for 153, 3 touchdowns, play of the week. Come back against Baltimore, 9 for 161, and another 100.

I could do that. As I got older, 100, then you get 40, you get 30, you get 25. The consistency level is. You can't do it with the consistency. And you're like, damn, in my mind, I'm still, I still see the same thing. I'm still yoked up a wagon. Yeah.

You just can't do it. Yeah. And you're the left. You're the left. I remember watching myself run. Well, you're the first one to know you would never got to where that was anyway, right? Because you didn't have the confidence level to believe that you could still play. Right.

Because that's what, you know, that drove us. That drove us. And then I remember watching myself at practice one time. It was cold. And we was like, damn, that guy moving slow. That's me. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah.

It's time to go. It's time to go to the house. I show hope something else opens up. But you see, Tom played 2043. Philip Rivers after five years. Yeah, yeah. That was pretty amazing. I watched him play last night.

I didn't see him the first one. I watched it last night. He played pretty good. He played really good. Look, he's never been a mobile guy. He's never going to be mobile. So if he wasn't mobile in his 20s, what makes you think he's going to be mobile? He's not going to be mobile.

And that's why I think he was able to come back because he never used mobility. That was never his thing. You know, it's been tougher for a guy that used his mobility to come back after five years because he's not going to be able to move around like he could. but Philip was a pocket guy, as was Tom, right? So I think that's what extended their careers, too, is the fact that they were never the mobile guys. And so they just had to stay in the pocket and get protected,

and they still could throw the ball. And so, you know, plus the rules are so different. They're different. You can't attack the quarterback. No. You can't drop your weight on the quarterback. They lived to drop their weight on the quarterback. That used to be the worst because everybody asked me,

they always say, okay, John, who hit you the hardest, right? I'm like, the ground. When they land on me and I hit the ground, that's what hurt the most. And right? So they take, you know, they take that one out, which, you know, protecting the quarterbacks trying to keep them up right is, you know, good for the game. Right. It's just, it's just changed from when we played there. I mean, back in the day, there was nothing off limits.

They could hit you anywhere. They tried to get us out of the game. Yes, right? That was the whole thing that's not the quarterback out. Because that was, that was, that gave you an advantage. It gave you a team, your team advantage of the, their starting quarterback was out. Yes. And we can get them out.

We got a better chance to win. You're the exact John Elway. The same abilities, you're immobile as you are. You're immobile as you are. You had the arm strength. You played in the 80s and 90s. Let's just say you came in the 2000 or the 2010s. Could you have played more than 16th?

I think so. I think so. With the rules the way they are now. Yeah, I think so. You know, but, you know, again, in the right situation, now I'd love to play for Mike again. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you see Kyle what Cal is doing with Bernie. I know.

I think he's the best offensive coordinator in the league not too, right? I mean, what he does and, you know, in that offensive. quarterback fairly because everything is built off the running game which makes it so much easy and then play action you're staying back there with you know you got five yards you can see the whole field and all that so you know it would have depended on you know this right situation yeah the situation in the offense but but you look at all these guys now you look at Kyle you look at Sean McVay you look at Andy Reed all those those West Coast that came out of that West Coast prodigy you look at their quarterbacks yeah they're lighting it up yeah

What rule do you wish that in the 80s and 90s where you were there that they have now for the quarterback was instituted back then? That you can't hit them low. You can't hit the quarterback low, right? Because now, because when you're a quarterback and you're in the pocket, and now a sudden you're throwing you're throwing you on a post route, all my weights on that front foot. Yep.

Right? And so that's the most vulnerable, your left leg is the most vulnerable. And so when those guys falling off, you know, and they're falling off blocks a lot of times, they're hitting you low. Right. You know, you're worried about that. So it makes you, you know, you're more conscious of your legs. Yeah.

And it makes you not as accurate as you should. Because you're, you know, now you want to get the weight off that leg. So it's not stuck in the ground when they hit it and 300 pounds and then, you know, crest the knee. And so to me, if they took that, if the below the hit rate on quarterbacks, to me it would have been much better. Because they didn't change the rule. That's the Brady rule. Because Brady, when Brady in 2008, when he got hit. Yep.

Because if you remember in 99, the exact same thing. happened to Trent Green. Rodney Harrison hit Trent Green and put him out. That's how Kurt Warner got his start. They end up winning the Super Bowl. But it wasn't until Brady when, I think Bernie Pollard did it, hit him in his knee, and the next year they changed it.

And now you've got all these rules, defenses, receivers, the incidental contact. If you weren't looking at me, and I'm on the backside, they're not throwing a flag. Because they would tell you, well, he's not looking at you. You know why? Because he's holding me. He can see they hold him. That's why he's not looking. Right. But now they just have

these rules now. I just, I look at amazement, John. I was like, how do these guys just be running scott-ass-free? I know. And the thing is, it's like, you know, the other thing too, is what I, you know, they've done a good job with it, you know, you always, they always go look, yeah, no, I can't stand that the quarterback gets hit in the head. He looks, with

with a hand. Yeah. It's a penalty. I'm like, why does you have a helmet on? Right? I mean, I, I'm still a quarterback, but I still, you know, because I remember when I was coming in the league, uh, Jack Lambert said we need to put skirts on quarterbacks. You remember they said that back in the early 80s?

Yeah, I'm going, put a skirt on. I'm like, I'm one of these guys. I get hit all the time, too, not as much as they get hit, right? So I always wanted quarterbacks to have the, you know, toughness, a little bit of the toughness and those type of things. And, you know, they've taken it to another level with the way it is now. But, you know, and it changes the game. It does.

It changes games, and people don't realize if 15-yarder, if a guy goes up to block a pass, comes down and glances the quarterback's helmet. and I don't remember any quarterbacks getting going to the tent after they've got hit with a hand for concussion for a concussion for a call. No, no, it was no. Well, I don't even know if they

used the term concussion. They just say you got your bell rung or you got Dean. Oh, yeah. And so, you know, oh yeah. I was just watching something on Pat McInelly. Pat McInelly got knocked. He was the pointer and a receiver for the Bengals. He ended up getting knocked out of the game. He lay motionless for 10 minutes. They carded him off and he ends up coming in and catch the game when he turned.

I'm like, there is no way they would allow that to happen. I said, I'd never see anything like this happened before in my life. I know, yeah. This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted, and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listen to Part 1 on. Just simply go back to Club Shet Shay Profile,

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