Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - John Elway Part 2

Episode Date: December 31, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! John Elway, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, joins Shannon Sharpe on Club Shay Shay for an unforgettable conversation about football royalty, comeback greatness, and life after the NFL. Elway opens by reflecting on being the most feared and gifted QB of his era, the only player to throw for 3,000 yards and rush for 200 yards in seven straight seasons, retiring as the NFL’s winningest quarterback with 148 wins and a league-record 47 fourth-quarter game-winning drives. The Hall of Famer walks through his legendary résumé — NFL MVP, AFC Offensive Player of the Year, five Super Bowl starts, back-to-back championships, Super Bowl XXXIII MVP, and becoming the first person to ever win a Super Bowl as both a player and general manager. He shares why Denver made him “The Duke of Denver” and “King of the Comeback.” Elway and Shannon reminisce about the origins of Club Shay Shay at Broncos training camp, their card-playing days, favorite memories as teammates, and the infamous Seattle touchdown. Elway explains why Shannon was always his second-favorite receiver — right after the open one — and how patience helped Sharpe grow into a Hall of Famer. The episode dives into Elway’s toughest Super Bowl losses to the Giants, Redskins, and 49ers, how he handled depression, death threats, and the pressure that followed. He details the devastating Jacksonville playoff loss that led to the famous “It ain’t in the game plan, go get open” moment — and how those failures fueled Denver’s underdog victory over the Packers in Super Bowl XXXII. Elway recounts the Helicopter Run, winning back-to-back Super Bowls, retiring at 36 as a champion and MVP, and why he walked away instead of chasing a three-peat. He compares eras, explains how many seasons he could play today, and revisits his “welcome to the NFL” moments, worst injuries, and legendary arm strength. The conversation shifts to Stanford, missing the Heisman, refusing to play for the Colts, Terry Bradshaw’s criticism, and the full-circle moment of Bradshaw handing him the Lombardi Trophy. Elway opens up about being drafted by the Yankees, choosing football, and his Mount Rushmore of NFL players who also played baseball. Finally, Elway reflects on his years as Broncos GM — drafting Von Miller, recruiting Peyton Manning, building the 2015 championship defense — along with regrets like passing on Josh Allen, thoughts on today’s young quarterbacks, the “Elway Rule,” money advice, investing, business ventures with Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky, and the lessons of sacrifice that shaped his life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Part two is underway. What would you're welcome to the NFL moment where you're like, okay, this is definitely different than college? It was actually my third game of the year. The third game, my rookie year. Okay. And we're playing here. We're playing the Eagles. I took off scrambling, and I was coming down to this right side, and da-da-da-da-da.

I saw the safety coming. I think, okay, well, I'm going out of bounds. I'm going to give him a little head knob, cut her back inside. And he took his forearm and hit me across the head, and my helmet came back. I said, okay, I got it. I won't do that again. Would that the hardest hit you suffered in your career? No, it was against Pittsburgh here again.

and I tried to go over a little, and I can't remember the players, but it was a DB, and so I tried to jump over him, and he caught me just right, and he got me upside down, and then the safety come and got me right in the back. I actually thought I was dead on that. I couldn't breathe, and as you know, when you get the wind knocked out, right? It scares you board it. Well, yeah, you're never going to take another breath in your life, right?

You can't get air in or out. You're standing or go, until you never think. But that's the hardest one. I can't remember the player's names, but it was here, and I had tried to jump over, and he caught me, and then I got hit in the back and bent me backwards, and so, yeah. What was the worst injury? Because people don't know this, but you played your entire NFL career with an ACL. Right. When I did that in high school, my senior year in high school, and then I braced it up, started bracing it up my second year here when Greek, we were in preseason. I ran for first down, and I didn't get it, and I stomped, and my knee shifted. Yeah. And that's when Greek liked him. He goes, you're wearing a brace the rest of the time. I said, okay. I put a brace on it.

So that really never, that was the worst injury. But once I put the brace on it, I didn't have any problems with it. But after that, I never really had, I hurt shoulders, pulled hamstrings, and this and that. I think the most games I missed in a row was maybe two or three. So I never, then I'd had surgeries, but they were really all after the season. So did you practice with the brace? I don't know if you practiced with the break. I did.

I did. Yeah. Yeah. Later I did. But then, but for the most part, no, I didn't, I didn't wear it in practice either. I was just thinking about that. the bicep injury. I don't know.

I was thinking about that on the way up here when you was on the sideline and I was looking at you, you bid your arm. But did the receivers ever tell you because I remember when I first got here,

they were real stingy with the gloves. And people asked me like, well, you wore gloves in the game when you warmed up, you caught bare handed. I said because I caught the ball from John my rookie year. He split my gloves

and they wouldn't get me anymore. so I said so no more so I just caught the ball barehanded in warmups and then I put the gloves on in the game because but I could tell the because in the warmups you're really getting to go I'm like okay you know you do it like this you do a little soft toss and the next day

you know you're like like bro there's no there's no there's nobody you got to fit into a tight window did you realize how hard you were throwing the football No? No, I don't think so. I mean, obviously I know. And I, you know, hardest thing you threw was a screen pass. It was hard for me to let up on the boat sometimes, right? But, you know, I always, I threw it hard because it was like the windows were, especially in the NFL, the windows get there quicker, right? And I always thought the quicker I'd get it for them, the quicker to you.

The more I could do something with it. The more you can protect yourself, number one. And another two, do something more with it after the kick, right? So, you know, I think the older I got it, you know, I calmed down a little bit with and got a little bit more touch with it, you know, and just natural the arm strength wouldn't there. But I know it's just something that naturally the way I threw it and, you know, and I

look at it today too, is like, you know, you look at all the quick screens and everything that they're thrown and how much more different work they do on those type of throws that we never, I never worked on. No. Just because we didn't throw those balls. No. Right. And if we had, I think I'd have been a lot quick, you know, a lot short releases and those type things where you're just flicking it

getting that there that I probably would have become a better thrower if we were throwing those. But nobody was throwing those back then. We weren't telling those, right? We throw a hitch maybe right on the line to stop right on the, you know, five or six yard, or I can't remember what we call it. When you just turn around, I got it to you on the side. Right. Smoke, yeah. Smoke, yeah.

So, but other than that, we didn't have, you know, and then this the screen passes, but everything else mostly was down the field. It was down the field. So never worked on it in practice and those type of things. When you threw that ball on the drive to Rick, You think that's the hardest? Not Ricky, that was Mark Jackson. Do you think that's the hardest you've ever thrown a ball?

Yeah, yeah. And it was like, because the thing is, you know, it was a rub route, right? And we had, usually it was to Gerald. Gerald Wilhelm was in the flat, and Mark was coming in on the slant. And usually the outside backer comes. And so I was planning on hitting the shoot run. Right. And I saw the outside backer drop off.

And so then I knew I was going to Mark inside. But I'm like, all right, well, I can't. It's always hard. When you're looking left, it's always hard to see people coming from the right side. Correct. And Mark was coming this way. Right. Right. So I couldn't.

I'm like, all right, it's third down. Or second down. I'm last thing I'm going to throw a pick down here, right? So I'm going, I'm throwing this. You thought it's hard. I'm throwing as hard as I can. Because if Mark ain't catching it, nobody's going to catch it. But it was low because he had to go down and dig it out.

And you know, that's the thing. Because down there, if that ball pops up, it's getting picked. Right. Because everybody is so congested in there, it's not going to hit the ground. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, and the thing is, I mean, the D-Lyman, I mean, it missed the D-Liman's hand like that. I mean, it's amazing, and you know this in football. It's inches.

This is inches, right? I mean, even on the 3rd and 17 to Mark Jackson, we put, I put Steve Lotz in motion, and it hits him on. The ball hit him on the hip. And if he's another inch back, that ball's going straight down, right? So, you know, especially looking back, those little things that happen games that are so important, the change outcomes, and, you know, you've got to have a little luck. Did you have a favorite play? I don't think so.

Not that I can remember. You know, the one thing, I always liked running the quarterback draw. Oh, yeah, when you go back, you go back and you think they go, you're going to pass the ball and then you just run it to the. Yeah, you know, and it was a design quarterback draw. Yeah. That was always, I always enjoyed doing that, but the past plays, it's hard for me to, I know I always, I was superstitious. We already ran, we always ran 22 ZN first play of warmups.

Yeah. Right? We got the short cross. Wide rod. You got the Z and ZN. That was the first play, my whole career. Yeah. When Mike got here.

So it was great, you got Z in, then you run a stick. Then you run the basic, then you run a plank or drive. You got the baseball. Exactly. When we ran, I think it was, was it Seattle? That, in the Super Bowl, because, we're supposed to all, we're supposed to run returns. So we go down, three

steps in, and then return. And I remember you're like, well, well, Mike, what happens if they don't play this coverage? You're like, 100% of the time they play this cover. Oh, no, no, no. That's Green Bay. Yeah, Green Bay the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's on the third and six. Yes. Right? What they call it to helicopter.

Yeah. So it's like, I remember talking and it's like, and we ran it three times practice and you got it. I called it every time. I was like, yeah. I was like, I still didn't like it. I still didn't like it. It wasn't like an easy throw. It wasn't. I had to go over somebody or whatnot.

Down there, I hate doing this. Yeah. And so there was something I didn't like about it. And I kept telling that, even though you caught it every time. It wasn't open enough for me to feel comfortable with it. And so that's what I went to Mike. And I said, Mike, I really don't like this plane. He goes, John.

That's when I said, like you said, what if we don't get this coverage? John, it's 100% this formation. this coverage, we'll get this coverage. It'll be 100% of the time, I said, all right. And so then I said, well, I still like, I'm like, he called it. And so it's third six, and here it comes. It's going to remember the name.

I can't remember the name down. Here it comes. I'm like, oh, God, here comes. Sure enough. Was it prior? I think it was Eugene Wilson, but they brought a different, they brought another safety end.

white guy, I forget his name. I think it was an indie at one point in time. I think it was prior. Yeah. Yeah. Because you knew if you slide, they're going to mark you where you start to slide. And so they thought you were going to slide, so they came in like this and you go up over the top. Right, yeah. And they spun you around. Right.

And you got you, you're like, I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. Well, I was like, you know, the thing is, it was like, I got outside and I looked for the first time. I was still trying to find you guys down there and see if you guys could find a seam. Right. went there and that's when i turned it up and i knew i looked at the first down and i hear they come and there's and i'm like all right they think i'm going to just go down yeah the only way i

can get i put the old six inch vertical and go over the top you know but the thing is it discombobobobulated yes right and i was like and it did kind of hurt my ribs too but that the the uh adrenaline was going crazy right and so i remember and i and i kind of get up and i'm kind of it looks funny me getting up, and I'm a little discombobulated. Then I looked at our sideline. Yeah. And our sideline was going, ah, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's exactly. He's like, yeah, I'm all right. I'm all right. Okay, I'm dead. And we got the first. What was it about the comeback that made you so great at it? I remember the first time we were playing Kansas City, and we're down like...

196. Yes. We got five minutes. And I remember Vance Johnson and say, oh, man, we're good. Good. We probably losing. And Kansas City got the ball? What you mean?

We could. He said, nah, now, seven. Hey, you ain't never heard of Mile Half Magic? I was like, nah, I ain't seen none either. Yeah. And the next thing I know, we scored touchdown. They stop them. And we get the ball back with less than two minutes.

And you throw a touchdown to DeMarch to Vance in the South End zone. And we win. Yeah. That was really. like the first time that I like it's incredible you know what's in and I think the key thing is we've done it a couple times yes and I think the key it was you know and I they give me too much of the credit because I believe everybody like you just said Mark Jackson says you haven't heard a mile how magic we all believed it right we did I started and we all believed it right yes right you learned it I did

I did right and so that's when you know it was a team thing the fact that everybody knew that hey, listen, it's time to go. We run it out of chances. And so, you know, it was just a matter. Plus, you know, Dan opened it up a little bit more, too, at that time, right? So you run around. And, you know, you're not as, because, as you know, playing for Dan, it was more conservative early and don't make mistakes.

And, you know, so, but finally the game opened up, and it was a matter. We had a bunch of playmakers, you know, Mark and Vance and Ricking the Teal. And so, you know, and the offensive line believed it. Yeah. I think that was the key thing is that we started doing it and it was contagious and everybody knew that, okay, they got excited about the opportunity to say, hey, listen, we get a chance to prove it again. Right.

So I think that was the key. Was it the drive that gave you the confidence that like, you know what, I belong in NFL? I'm that guy. Because you're on the two-yard line. It's either now, never. Yeah, that, you know what, Shannon, that would kind of legitimize me for the first time, you know, especially my first year, a struggle the first year. Second year, it was better.

We, you know, we were 13 and three, had the home field advantage. kept up, got beat in the first round. Yeah. You know, and then we had a good third year. So this was my fourth year, and we had a good year then. And so, you know, it was kind of my coming out party. It legitimized me to be able to do that, go 98 in, you know, on the road and the AFC championship. In the dog mountains and all that stuff that I think it kind of put me on the map.

And so that was the one that kind of put me on the map. And then, you know, from there it was, you know, went to a couple of Super Bowl, you know, went Super Bowl that year and had a good first half. We didn't play with the second half. And that was, I mean, a 15 plays 90 yard. You overcame a third and 18, the play that you mentioned to Mark. He caught it. And he had to, like, back up and then get skinny to get the first down. The ball hit Steve on the hill.

So there's a lot going on there. Yeah, there was. And, you know, that's another thing about football, too. It's like, because when we, we're sitting there on the two-yard owners of TV timeout. Yeah. And we're all standing around. I mean, it was. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is Gentleman's Cut.

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Cold, it was like in Cleveland, if it's 15, it's cold. You know, it rained snowed the whole night before. So, you know, the feel was muddy. And so we're standing there in the huddle, and we're all just sitting there. And, you know, all I was thinking was, all right, we got to get some breathing room. Right, right.

We still had all our timeouts. There's five minutes to go into game. So it's like, all right, if we get some breathing room, you know, it's not a do. or die situation just yet, but if we get some breathing room, then we can, that was the first start taking some chances. And so we just kept nitpicking. And then, you know, I threw a post to Sewell coming out of the back foot. That was kind of the first big play that got us down the field. And the funny thing is, yeah, as you, and we've been there before, as you start moving the

ball, it gets quieter and quieter and quiet. And you can feel, you can just feel the momentum shift. And then as we kept moving, then our, we guys, we went like this and they went like that. mentally and so and then we were able to make some plays and get it down there and get the touchdown so you know a lot of people forget too you know that was just to get it in overtime right right but overtime we had them in over because they were shocked they were shocked because we're in overtime and then you know we're able to continue the momentum that we had in that last try because we hadn't done a whole lot they were really good on defense yes you know and solid and so we hadn't done a whole lot offensively the whole game and so but those last two drives we got it

when we started getting that confidence and they were down the dump so we were able to win it. Well, that's the first time because you seem to have Marty's number. Because Rest is so. Marty Schottenheimer was the head coach in Cleveland, and then he goes to Kansas City, and there are so many times that we got him. 98, we start the season.

We are 12 and 0, and we played, I mean, I think that's your last 400-yard game, too. They got a box. I have never seen a boxing one. Who plays a boxing one in football? I got a man, and they play his own everywhere else, And, you know, you throw me the ball. You're like, you got to keep.

I'm like, bro, you see that guy said on there. But yeah, but you got a guy trailing you. So. Well, you know what the thing. Yeah, there is something with Marty, right? Because the next year, so that was 86 and Cleveland. 87, they come here in the AFC championship game. That's when Ernest By the fumble.

Yep. Right? Yep. And I think you got them again in 89. And so then we missed the year and then 89 they come back here. That wasn't close, but we made them good that year. But, yeah, it was like something. and then Marty went to, you know, Kansas City,

and we beat him the A.C. Championship game, and then we have the other ones, and so, yeah, that was. Now, when Montana was in Kansas City, they did get us on a Monday night. They got us on the Monday night. I thought we had them. I thought we had them. But we had the guy bracketed. Ben Smith jumped it because we got Hoonahuna inside.

If he stays outside, he picks the ball. Yeah. But he jumps inside, and he dudes option backs out. Joe hits him in. Yeah. But that was a lot of people think of. That was kind of the one time I only remember that. We got beat late in the game here.

Yeah, right. Yeah. In college, your last year, I mean, you came, I think, who wasn't the husband your last year? Hershal did. Yeah. Because Ed, it was you, E.D., Herschel. Yep. Yeah.

With the finals. You thought you should have won it that year? I was second. We were five and six. It's hard to give me. Even getting there at five and six. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Was that the Cal game? Yeah, it was a Cal game. Oh, come on. That was. yeah, that was the last game. We were supposed to go to the bowl game because we hadn't been to a bowl game because we were four and seven my junior year. Pretty good. We were six and five and seven and five my sophomore year. We never gone to a bowl game. So if we win that Cal game, which is our big rival. Right. Then we're going to go to the Peach Bowl and then

four seconds to go and the lateral start happening. I mean, it's... Could you believe it? I mean, when you, they talk about that. Could you believe that that might be the wildest finish in the history of any, if any sporting event? Without, I mean, I'm sitting on the side, you know, I'm sitting on the bench going, okay. And, I mean, I can remember sitting there and we're kind of having a good time, done it, I can't believe, because we had, you know, we picked up a fourth and eight team on, or fourth and 17 from our own 13. Right.

To get down there to kick the field goal. Right. And so we're like, well, yeah, we got down, and done it, da, da. And all of a sudden, I'm looking at, and here goes this wad of people. And, I mean, it's just like this. And I look down here, the band's coming on the field. I'm like, the hell's going on. Right.

Right. Next thing, they go, touchdown, you know. He ran over the tuba player in the Trump, the Trump ball. Oh, yeah. So it was crazy. But I would say this. I had to hope that they were going to overturn that for by a week. Yeah.

Right? Then, okay, they're going to see something. Now there was no replay or anything back then, so you can't correct it. There had to be some, there had to be some illegal lateral. Oh, yeah. I think it was down twice, but it was like, you know, that falls on deaf here. So it didn't matter. And I saw it every Thanksgiving for the last 42, 45 years.

So I can laugh about it now. you come out, you're the universal regarded number one pick in the draft. The Colts hold that. Now, if I'm not mistaken, your favorite player growing up was Verk Jones. Yeah, one of them. Actually, well, Starbuck was number one. Bert Jones. He wore number seven.

Did you have an inkling? Did you get, did you have an intuition that they were going to leave Baltimore? What was it about Baltimore that you didn't want to play? You know, it was more the owner, it was more of the group, right? And the thing is, I had played baseball for the Yankees, the summer before. Okay. And so I had,

we had some leverage. And so, and really my dad was helping me and Marvin Demoff. You know, you're an agent. So the bottom line is to use the leverage

to try to get to an organization and it didn't matter where it was. Right. Just to get to an organization where we felt like I had a chance to win. Right. Baltimore was not that, you know,

the ownership, the organization was not in good shape, right? And it hadn't been, you know, so we knew nothing about them even moving, thinking about moving the next year. And so it was really, really the leverage with baseball

to say, listen, try to get to a place that you feel like you have a chance and, you know, what we tried to do, instead of Bash and Baltimore saying, we're not going there because the owner and the ownership group and it's a bad organization, we don't want to play for them. We try to make up other excuses to try to keep it friendly

and not make their organization look bad, but ended up come back and haunt me. Terry Broad says, and say, well, you stay in California, but we had the leverage in the The plan was to try to get moved. If they didn't trade the pick, then I was going to play baseball for a year.

Right. And then my name would have gone back in the draft for the following year. So that was kind of the, because I was not going to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're pretty stubborn. Even though Baltimore, I think it was about the city. It was, I'd never been to the city, and it was not about the city. It was about the organization and having a chance to win. Right.

So that was a conversation. So when did you come to that conclusion, whether you and your dad, did you always know that you weren't going to play for Baltimore, or it was in the process of sitting down and talking with your dad and Marvin's like, okay, what's our strategy here? I don't want, I'm not going to play there. Where else is there a possibility that I could possibly play? Yeah, and I think it was more that Marvin knew the organization. My dad knew the organization. He knew of Frank Cush and the coaching who was, because Frank Cush was at Arizona State when I came out of high school. Right. And I didn't want to take a trip there because I knew his style. Right. You know, he was a good

football coach, just not my style. His style didn't click. So my dad wasn't necessarily high them either right so really it was Marvin and my dad because I didn't know anything about what organization is good I knew who had good records but I didn't know organizationally right one was best and so they were the ones especially Marvin knew you know organizationally where would be good landing spots for me and so you know Seattle was in it the Chargers were in it New England was in it let's see who else Cowboys a little bit you know and so I think Danny White was there you know and and then the one

that got brought up with San Francisco and it's like Joe Montana's in San Francisco right I'm like I don't know I'm not going to go you know because evidently Walsh had said something and I'm like there is no way I'm going with Joe Montana there's no way I'm going to San Francisco I'm not going to jump into that so so then Denver was in it yeah and then Denver

kind of backed out because because Marvin had talked to Denver and they knew my contract demands which was a five year deal for five million. And they said, well, no football player is worth that. Right. So Denver kind of fell out of the picture at the draft. And so we'd never anything about it. It's really thinking about San Diego, who had three first round picks. Wow. Right. And I wouldn't mind gone, you know, Don Coriol was down there.

Eric Coriol. So it was a good place to go. But ultimately, they couldn't come to get a deal done. But we also think that I think it was Gene Klein that was the owner at the time. was using that because Fouts is a free agent. Right. So I think they were using me to draft me. Right. To make Fouts sign. To get Fouts to sign.

And so, and then after the draft, my dad, I don't think you ever met. Did you meet Franz Polesfoot with the Broncos? Anyway, he was a good friend of my dad that worked for the Broncos in the scouting department of the Broncos. And that kind of got rejuvenated. Right. And two weeks later, that's how I got drafted or traded to Denver. Come to Denver. You ever been to Denver?

No. Did players take trips like they do not? like the guys that potentially first round trips, do they take visits like they do now? I never did. So, no, I never took any trips before the draft or anything like that. You know, in the combine, there was not one combine back then. There used to be regional.

It used to have four different teams to get together, right? So certain teams being that one, certain teams be in that one, certain teams being that one. So, and I didn't go to any of the combines. Right. I didn't think I needed to go to the combine. So you're like, hey, see, hey, he been doing, hey, he was the first one to do it. Now, I ain't throwing, I ain't running, I ain't doing nothing.

I'm going to be the first pick. Y'all know it. Look at the tape. Right. Right. What else are you going to find out? Right. So also, you get a situation where Eli Manning, he comes out and he doesn't want to play for the charges.

I don't know it's because he don't want to be in the AFC with Peyton because Peyton's already in the AFC. How to maneuver that and get to get to the ending? Did they talk to you? Did Archie or any of them reach out to you? No. No, we never really talked to him. Yeah, because I was, that was like, would that have to be? 2004.

Oh, 2004, yeah, no, I never talked to him about it. Right, yeah, never talked to him. And you see Shudor and how hard is it for a play? I think it's probably harder for prime for time because he's a current coach right now. Your dad's retired. Arch, Archie had been retired for so long. And so it's different to have a, your dad is an actual coach now as opposed to your dad being retired that Archie had been retired from the league

to have a son that playing and trying to help him navigate that path. Yeah. You know, I think it's tougher than my dad had because obviously my dad wasn't in there. And obviously everybody knew Deano, what a great player he was in his day. And so you know, that was just a unique

situation with Shadour and the fact, because it was a great player at CU did a hell of a job up there. Now, somehow it didn't fit somewhere, right? Right. Somehow, whether it would be in the, you know, because the last thing you want in the NFL is your backup quarterback to be in the doing all the media right correct right and so i i do think that that probably scared some organizations off saying hey listen we can't have the backup

because you know shoulder and deion have gotten you know they both got up there so whether they you know whether that's the issue or whatnot or you know i didn't i did not study him so i don't know how good a quarterback he is i think he's a good solid backup for sure right and i think he's got to learn and and uh but you know in the NFL it's like you got to get rid of football got to get rid of the football and making up for sacks is you know it's hard yeah yeah i mean it's instantaneous you got a process and i think he does a great job i don't think he has the best offensive line i watched it oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and like i said i haven't had a chance to watch a lot of should i saw him a couple times play up in ccc u and thought he was a hell of an athlete made some great

plays and great throws and uh so you mentioned that when you mentioned that when you came came out and just all of a sudden you're like, I'm not going to Baltimore and Terry Brasch all being with these old guards, look, whoever drafts you, that's where you go. That's how they look at it. You don't complain. You're about to make more money than you ever thought you'd make in your life. And here this kid, he had done nothing in the NFL, and he's trying to call the shots. Yeah. And he was just ripping you, left and right.

And then when he came to sit down and interview you, they wouldn't even tell it, they wouldn't tell the fans wouldn't tell him. Well, we're not helping you. You're bashed our quarterback. Get lost. which he was lost because he needed nowhere to go but did you have an opportunity to talk to Terry did you guys because at the end of your last Super Bowl he was on stage and handed you the trophy

so was there any between that time 83 and 99 was there any chance that you guys had a chance to have a conversation? I don't recall one since then since I retired and later on I have run around Terry a little bit and I like Terry right but but

You know, and I think that he didn't make it easier on me, right? Right. He made it, you know, kind of rallied support on the other side and da-da-da-da-da. He was kind of the lead anti-O-way guy that said, okay, you're a, you know, spoiled blonde kid or, you know, surfer boy from California. Yeah, go back to California. Yeah, he thinks he's going to come in and dictate to the NFL. Then go, you know, he said, go play baseball. And so, you know, that's the only reason, you know, he didn't make things, he made things tougher for me, which, you know, added an incentive.

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Because they knew that chance I was going to play baseball, I mean football. And so I was kind of shocked that they drafted me that high. And it actually, it worked out great. Gary Hughes, who was the scout, you know, the rest of soul, became a dear friend. And, you know, playing baseball. And then I went and played baseball between my junior and senior year. And I actually, you know, enjoyed it. Now, it was different because playing baseball every single day,

gave me new appreciation for those Major League Baseball players that have to play baseball day in and day out. And that is an absolute grind, right? To be ready to go. But, you know, I got off to a slow start, but I ended up having a pretty good year. But, you know, ultimately I wanted to play football because I like playing the quarterback position.

I think it's the best, the hardest position. But it's the most gratifying to you, I think, that if, you know, you can survive it. And so, but yeah. What about that $150K? That didn't hurt, though, did it? No, that did not hurt. I forgot about that.

A college kid with $150K in my game. But I would say this. It also helped me in school because when I was, my first two years, I was playing both. And then we'd go to spring ball. And when we were in spring ball, I'd play baseball games on Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And I'd go to spring practice on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Saturday morning. I'd go from football practice, go right to the locker room, take my football gear off, put my baseball guard. gear on and go play baseball.

Wow. So that was a lot. It became too much. And so the $150K was really good, but also it allowed me to, you know, spend a little more time on studies and kind of enjoyed the college life toward that spring. The last two springs, you know, I had a chance to have some fun at school. What did you buy? Did you buy a car?

Did you buy anything? I bought a 280 ZX. Black and gold and T-tops? T-tops. T-tops. Absolutely. So it's funny. So I got a great story.

So I live in those Del House, and it's called the Del House. It's three stories at Stanford. There's a lot of football players, a lot of athletes, da-da-da-da. And so we have this parking lot and up tops of deck and da-la-da-da-da. So I've gone down and bought this brand, dude, it's shiny, shiny, and I'm driving it in. And when I'm driving in, I see these dudes up on top of the deck up there, right? Just like, it'll go good. So there's one parking spot right below them, and they're on the third floor, right?

So I pull in there And I'm looking I start looking up at them All of a scene I see all three of them Lifting something They got this water balloon That is like this big

Great I mean it is huge And so all of a sudden I see them And it was three linemen too And so they said And they throw it over the top I see it coming down

I'm like Ah It hits my windshield Shatters it On my brand new Two Hades Wow Just shattered

So there's your teammates My teammates And it just shatters And so And I went to look at them. They had all gone. I went in the house and tried to fight them. They're all hired, right?

But yeah, so that's the one thing about the 280s. I said, first day, drove at home, they shattered the windchill love me. Who's giving you a Mount Rushmore baseball players that played the NFL that played baseball? You got Dion, Boe, yourself, my homeboy, Brady,

was drafted, I think as a catcher, to have exposed Russell, Kalimer, and Cap. Well, for sure, the two that really had accomplished her of Bo and Deon. And Deon, really. Those are the only actually played in MLB.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know if you remember Brian Jordan, he ended up leaving football. He was a safety for the foul because he ended up leaving going to play for the Braves and the Cardinals. Okay. Then he's got to be, yeah. But yeah, I would say those guys, you know Johnny Lynch played baseball too. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, Johnny Lynch played baseball also.

So. Callow was the eighth pick in the draft, but he didn't, we don't know what he would have. Well, you know what else? Wilson. Russell. Did you mention him or no? Yeah. He was the second baseman? I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. Why are baseball players so good at football? You mean football players better good at baseball? Well, I don't know about that. I think the either transition to baseball to football as opposed to football to baseball. How many transitions you seem from baseball to football? Baseball to football. I don't think there's been a lot of transitions from baseball.

I think, here's what I think. I think there's football players that go to baseball because baseball is all about the hitting. Yeah. So, sure, especially if you're an outfielder, which I think all those, you know, most of us were as outfielers. So really the only time you spend is that really in baseball,

you're hitting it. So if you can hit, then chance are you're going to be able to play the outfield. Right. Especially if you can run like those, like Bo and Dion and those type things. They're going to be able to play the outfield, whereas there's so much more involved in the football side, practice time. Yes. You can practice more by yourself and just take – get them pitching machines and hit balls. Right.

And then take some outfield. So I think there's a lot more practice involved in football than there is baseball. That's why I think you see the transition more football to baseball rather than baseball to football. It definitely helped me home with his footwork. The arm angles because as an infielder, you have to – you know, sometimes you're over the top, sometimes you're three-quarter slide. And I think that's definitely – And plus his dad was a baseball. playing. Yes, right? Yes. Yeah. So I ask time. Time said the hardest thing to do in sports is hit a baseball. Yeah. Is that the

hardest thing to do? Yeah. Without a doubt, especially with these guys throwing today. They throw in a hundred. A hundred. Every one of them. I mean, you're looking at, you know, we watch it on TV, go, oh, that'd be easy. Have you ever stood in front of a hundred mile an hour fastball? I can't imagine. It would absolutely scare the shit. Absolutely it would. Oh, my God. It was like, he threw a hundred and then come back with a curve. It's over. Right. Oh, yeah. Especially when that curve's coming at your head. And then breaks to the middle of the plate. Yeah, I mean, there's no question, especially as good as these guys have gotten and all the different pitches.

I can't imagine hitting the sinkers. I mean, I used to see sliders, curveballs, changeups, fastballs. Now there's sinkers and sliders and cut fastballs, they got the four seams. And all the different pitches that these guys have. It's like, Anna's coming at you at 95 to 100 miles and out. Right. So, yeah, that's like. So now do you have, because think about it.

And time was playing football, really not getting a whole lot of batting practice. And then to go, and he'd go catch a flight and go play baseball. Bo was, you know, he would play after the season was over. And we got to, I remember that was my rookie year. When Bo came and they tossed in the ball and he ran over Ronnie Halliburton and ran 50 yards for a touchdown. He ran 50 yard for a touchdown. Is that? Well, that's the other thing, too, right?

So you look at a running back. He can run. You know, he can run. Yeah. Right. And he can catch because he's a good athlete. Right. Right.

And so the running back doesn't necessarily have to be as integrated as a wide out. Yeah. Or quarterback. Right. You know, same way with Deion at corner. Yes. Right? Because he's covering a guy.

He ain't even coming to the huddle. He don't even care what the coverage is. He don't even cover what the defense is called. Right. He got that guy. Right. So I think the position they also played to help them be able to spend a little more time at baseball into what they did. Show Hey.

have you ever seen anything like no no not even close not i don't think there's anything close to what i mean he's on he's on a barry bond's trajectory to be able to strike out 10 and then hit three home i mean that's crazy right oh yeah i mean he's as good hitters barry yeah right now you think so i do wow i just think you know barry you know whether he is as good right now obviously he's playing later so there's more pitches too right and plus these guys only go five winnings right right yeah and i'm not trying to i think barry bond is as good as it was also right but when you look at the total package of show hey as far as now very didn't pitch no right right the mindset you have to have to pitch and do the stuff that he does right just like i don't think we've ever

seen anybody like him now we had the same discussion too okay look at what babe ruth did right back in the 20s and 30s right and now he was that far above and everybody of those players at that time. He was probably had that separation. Whereas, and, you know, Otani has that separation now. But the big question is, okay, it was separation from what?

But, you know, it's still the big separation. You know, so to compare Babe Ruth, because Babe Ruth pitched, compare those two is, you know, they're the two best baseball players to play the game when it comes down to separation at the time that they play. Now, who's better between those two? I mean, well, Show Hayes won three consecutive MVPs.

I mean, he's a four-time MVP. He was a two-time. And that performance that he had in the divisional round of the playoffs where he pitched, struck out 10, and then he had those three home run. I don't know who will ever see that again. No, no, I agree. He's unbelievable. I think because if you go back and look at it, John,

there were guys that pitched in college that were tremendous hitters, but they wouldn't allow them to do both in the MLB. And Shoahe, people are like, look, if he can't do both, he's not coming to your team. Yeah, right, right. Because there are a lot of pitchers that hit 400, hit middle fours, but they had to choose. They're like, okay, you're going to pitch.

Right, which seems funny. Yeah. They don't spend that much time throwing the ball. They should have plenty of time to get the ball, too, right? You should be on the mound that long, so, but yeah. What do you think? You know, and I think what changed that, too, is the DH. Yes, because they got in both leagues, not right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had to. That was so unfair that the pitcher, because he was easy out. Yeah, I got you. Then they go to the way. Series and the National League hitters or the National League hitters or the American League pitchers would have to have to like just get me out of here. When you look at the draft class, the 83 class, you got you, you got Kelly, you got Marino. And the Ford, you got

Eli, you got Ben, you got Philip Rivers. And 2020, you got Joe Burrow, you got Hurst, you got is your draft class the best quarterback draft class? Well, time will tell. You know, I think we got, we have three Hall of Famers. You got three. You got three, you got three Hall of And then what was the next year, you said? Eli, on 04, Eli won two Super Bowl, Ben, won two Super Bowl, Phillips unfortunately didn't get there. Right. And then in 2020, Burroughs Ben, Hertz is been twice and won, and Jordan Love is yet to get there. Yeah.

Well, time will tell. I think, no, 4 class is pretty good, right? Yeah. When you're talking about Super Bowl. Yeah, with Eli and Ben and Phillips. You're talking about Super Bowls. Now, you know, Ben was probably, Ben's definitely the top of that group, right? Yeah.

But if you talk about 83, you'd look at what Danny does. did, even though Danny didn't get there, you look at what he did in the passing game in those years. He threw for 5,000 yards in 1984. Yeah, 48 touchdown. That is the greatest, I don't care what anybody says. That is the greatest passing season ever, considering what the rules were and how they attacked the quarterback. 48 touchdowns, 5,000 yards back then is like 6,000 today's game. Absolutely.

And so, I mean, and then you look at what Jim did going to four straights and 40, even though they couldn't get over the hump. That's a hell of an accomplishment. And plus I'm biased, I think, you know, so I'm going to say 83 right now, but you never know, time will tell. But, you know, you look at, you know, myself as well as Jimmy, what Jimmy did and what Danny did. You know, because Danny went there in his second year. Yep. Right. So.

He got Joe. Yeah. Exactly. He got Joe. And they were at the peak of their powers. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah, they had, think about it.

They had Jerry. They had JT. They had Roger. Yeah. Their defense was unbelievable. I mean, that's the thing about San Francisco. Because their defense never got to credit because they had those stars offensive. They had the stars offensively.

And Bill, you know, and Bill Walsh was the offense coach and offense coordinator. So, you know, but they never, yeah, they were the unsung heroes. They were always that good on defense, too. We get this, and I don't know when it happened. The goat, you know, you get Joe and you get Tom, and my homes get sprinkled in there. How do you determine the greatness of a quarterback? Does he have to have stats? Does he have to have MVP?

Does they have to have Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP's? What are the determining factor? Because clearly, Tom with seven and five MVPs and all the passing yards, all the touchdowns. Joe is 4 and 0. He never lost. Two come from behind against Cincinnati both times. He beat Ken Anderson in 81, and he beat Boomer in, what was that, 88? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's the thing is, it's okay, what's the criteria, right? That's the question to ask. But I think it's still hard to say, you know, with Tom, when it's seven, right? I mean, it's hard to beat that. Yeah. Do you think so we're somebody going to beat that number? No. No.

No, I don't think so. You know, and I, you know, Joe. I mean, think about it. He went to 10. Right. Right. He went to 10. You went to 10 Super Bowls.

Yeah. I know. And you won seven. Yeah. And I think, you know, you know, it's, that's the Tom, But, you know, I think Bill Belichick was that good, too, right? As that combination. Yes, right?

And I mean, you look at it, and I've made this comment, it's, you look at the league today, and it's a head coach and a quarterback, right? And who have the great head coach and a great quarterback? Those are the teams that, and now there's a lot of young, good quarterback. Quarterback and a lot of good young head coaches that are coming up, right? I love Ben Johnson. Yeah, to see how all that plays out because there's a lot of young good. But, you know, to be good in the NFL.

No, you got to have the head coach, and you have to have the quarterback. And once you have those, then it'll get killed, then now you have a chance every year, right? And if you don't have that, then it's a battle. If somebody would have told me that you would want to be after your playing career, you'd want to be a GM and you'd want to select players and you'd want to build a team, I probably wouldn't have believed it. What went into that thought process of you becoming the GM, becoming the executive VP, and you building a team and eventually building a team? and eventually building a team that ended up getting to and winning a Super Bowl. You know, I knew I didn't want a coach, right? You know, my dad was a coach, and I knew how much time that he spent at the office when I was young.

And then we know, having played, how much those coaches, how much time has spent. Because they spend it with us most of the time when we're there, and then they have to spend that much time when we're not there preparing for when we are. Getting off the plane, they don't even go home on Sunday. They get home and go straight upstairs and start breaking down film for the week. Right. So I knew I didn't want to coach, right? And plus, I'm not sure how good a coach I could have been as we talked earlier because I don't know why he did something like that. Right. Right. You know, you can teach coverage and all those type of things, but you can't teach the instinct stuff.

Right. Which is the difference between good and great players, right, is the instincts. And so, but then I also knew I wanted to get back in football. And, you know, so being a GM to where, you know, could pick the coach, let the coach do his work and then be a part of the personnel and da-da-da-da. you know, and collaborate with the staff, the head coach, and those type of things to put the best players or what fits what they want to do the best. And so that's what, and plus I didn't have to spend nearly as much time. And I wanted to have some more free time

because we'd spend so much time when we're playing. You didn't have a lot of free time either. Well, yeah, as a quarterback, I remember you taking the, we didn't have the iPads, and you taking a laundry basket with all those tapes, those beta tapes in there, throwing them over your shoulder like you was a hobo and going home.

So I just imagine, like, as a coach, people don't realize how much film coaches watch. Right. Yeah. I don't think they have any idea. Right. You know, and it's getting better now because they got, you know, it's so much easier with the computers and the tape and how they cut it up and all.

Yeah, they used to have to consider and cut. You had to cut. They had to, yeah, individuals had to cut them. Now they break it down for all first and ten, all second and five, all three. Yeah, so they can actually spend more time on game planning and seeing what they're doing rather than cutting those tapes up. But, yeah, because I still want to be in football, I wanted to be a part of it.

I want to use what I'd learned in it, what I saw in winning teams, what I'd seen in losing teams and what I thought was important and so that's why I decided to come back and do that I'm glad I did it was a great experience but drafting players

how does you know I talk to Ozzy all the time and Ozzy I mean his first two draft picks a top 100 players Ray Lewis Jonathan Ogden then he drafts

and then he gets Ed Reed and I was like bro how do you he said I just believe what I see I believe with my eyes tell me the tape

he says look I want the guy that I watch on tape If he comes to the combine and he runs fast, he jumps high. He's like, yeah, he's explosive. I can see why he did X, Y, and Z. But sometimes guys are just football players. He said Suggs. I was like, he said Suggs.

I saw Suggs on the track, on a track on a track track track. With track spikes and tights with no shirt on, run 4'8. But somebody got 23 sacks. Right. That's all I know. He can bend the edge. And he ain't got to run 40 yards to sack the quarterback. Yeah, yeah.

So how, what was your process of breaking down a player? like, okay, this is a player that we would like to have in this organization. Well, I mean, yeah, you know, Ozzy was one of the best to do it. Yes, right? And he did have, he had instincts when it came down to players, right? And, you know, trying to learn from him and what he did, you know, and he's also, he picked, he didn't go for the guys from the lowered schools that had no names. He went SEC, he went Big Ten. He went guys that were proven.

Yes. Solid, physical, big guy. Yes. You know, that was kind of, you know, Ozzy style. Yes. And it worked, right? And so, you know, for me, I had to learn that, right? And it kind of learned a style, right? And it was trying to find, to me, there was, you know, we had a great staff.

Matt Russell was our director, player, personnel, who did a great job and had great instincts. But it was more collaboration going through it. What were the needs, you know, and trying to find it. Because other than Peyton, we're trying to find that damn quarterback the whole time. Yes. And so, and the thing is, like you said, you can look at tape. You can, you know, you can look at numbers, because every. everybody, most everybody has good numbers.

Yes. Right? And you can look at tape and it'll make some good plays and then they'll blow a play or make another great play. But, you know, and, and so it was like the one thing that was very difficult to find is find out what this was all about. You know, that's inside of it. What is this all about?

How is he going to stand up in a tough situation? The lights come on in the NFL, you know, and try, you know, you get so much time with them. It's tough to, you know, and that's why earlier in the, earlier in the draft, it's a little bit easier, but you're, you know, it's still 50-50. Right. You're going to hit the right guy. And then, but it was more, you know, trying to find a full package and what fit for us, what were our needs.

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Right, but he's played that year. Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. So it was a year, it was, oh, no, we had got Peyton because that's right, because we'd already got, that's right, that was before, that was before the draft. You're right. No, no, no, no. Payton came in 2011, right? 12.

2012. So you got Bond in 2011. That's right. It was before Peyton was there. Right. So then we had Kyle Orton and we had Tim Tebow. and Brady Quinn. Right.

And so, yeah, but I don't remember who, well, Cam was taking number one. One in one by Carolina. I just remember having a conversation with you, and you said, and I asked you, because everybody was talking about DeBroncoe was going to take Von Miller. I said, you said he's Derek Thomas reincarnated. Yeah, yeah.

That was you could say. I mean, Vaughn Miller, for his size and speed, was the most talented person I ever dropped in not even close. The way he could be in, bend and strength and power and speed and everything yeah i mean there was not i mean bond was it he could do everything i mean he he was especially when it wanted to and and well if unfortunately for us in super bowl 50 he wanted to oh yeah because he he he he rigged the game they couldn't block it

and i don't know why i don't know what made them think they could single him i have no idea yeah but he was that that was von miller i mean he just i mean the tools that he had were just I mean and speed the power and he was so long too and it was so long yeah he could lock out I remember him

he hip toss Kelsey you remember that Monday night he hip tossed Kelsey yeah I mean and he was like oh yeah but he was he was unbelievable how did you attract I mean that's a lot easier

when you got Peyton but how do you go about attracting free engines you get a key to leave you get a demarc a demarc where it goes back to who's you know having Peyton Manning here

I mean, that, because someone, and that's why having Payton or having a quarterback, that's why you need that quarterback, because they got to be able to believe in that quarterback. Yes. They got to believe that he's good because then they know they have a chance to win. Correct. Right. So the one draw is that quarterback that you can draw to him, and that's what players will migrate to because they want to be on winning football teams. That quarterback's a great player, then you'll be able to get those people. And that's why, you know, because Peyton was here.

Peyton wasn't what he was, but he was still, I mean, in 2000. 2013, he threw for 5,000, 55 touchdowns, and 5,000 some yards, right? So he still was great, right? And so B.L. that might get those guys, right? And then DeMarcos was big, you know, because he knew. And so DeMarcos was kind of the first piece. And then DeKeeb came, and then T.J came after that.

And you got drafted Malik and Wolf. Yeah, Wolf was in the second round. We got Malik in the fifth round. Right. So, but yeah, it was just a great combination. And Danny Tervath and inside was a great player. Yeah, Brandon Marshall. Got him in the sixth round.

Brandon Marshall was later, fifth rounder or something like that. So just a great combination. Plus Wade was a great defensive coach, put it all together too. But Peyton, to get Peyton knowing what he, there was not, look, there was not, I don't know if there's a whole lot of suitors for his services, given what he had been through because it wasn't like he was, he was, Randy Johnson had a fastball anyway. So now he's dealing with that neck surgery, the firing, getting those nerves, the fireback, there was a possibility, well, he's not going to be able to be what he once was. But you took a chance like, look. You know, half a Pete Manning is still better than a lot of players at that point in time, right?

So he was still coming off that and didn't know if things were coming back. But the prognosis was very good that things were going to be able to come back. You know, and plus, you know, we went through it. I think the Cardinals were in it, the Titans were in it. I can't remember else where he took a trip. Tennessee. Yeah. Tennessee.

That's the one that worried me. Right? Because he went to college down there. And so, you know, we just showed him what Denver's about, right? John Fox was here. It was very, you know, very good guy, good coach, da-da-da-da-da. And so he was a good recruiter. But, you know, our plan was just to show Peyton what we had.

Right. Show him Denver. You know, Mike McCoy's the O.C., get him with Mike. We'll know that we're going to integrate Pete what you want to do into what we're doing. Right. If you come here, we're going to do what you want to. do and we're going to integrate it and talk through it and da-da-da-da-da. And so, you know, and I think, as you know, it's so great to play in Denver. It's unbelievable. And, you know, Mr. Bone was still

there at that point in time. And so, you know, the whole combination was, you know, was a great fit for Peyton. It ended up being that way. So it was funny because I'm sitting at the desk, John Foxx is there. Peyton told us, I can't remember. It was a Monday. He goes, yeah, I'm going to let everybody know on Monday. And so he calls his Peyton on the phone. And John Fox is sitting next to me. And I'm like, he goes, yeah, and Peyton says, well, Yeah, I'm just, you know, I'm calling letting people know what I'm going to do. And I'm sitting there going, okay, well, is this the first call,

the second call or the third call? He goes, well, this is the third call. I said, oh, okay, so that, he goes, yeah, I turn the other two down. I'm wanting to let you know that I'm coming to Denver. Wow. Thank God I'm the third call. And I told Fox and Fox went crazy, so, but it was great to get him here. We're going to get you out of a few questions left.

Cam said he's still haunted by not jumping on that ball in the Super Bowl. Is there a play that haunts you that you wish, after all these years, you can have a do-over? Wow. One that pops in my mind all the time was against the Raiders here. Mike Shannon was the coach of the Raiders. Okay. And we're in overtime. And I threw a deep ball, and I should have never thrown the ball.

And they end up picking it off. We end up losing the game. And I can't tell you who picked it off or whatnot. but it's still one that picks. So it has to be that one. That was probably the worst decision I made or worst throw I made to. Decision and throw.

And, you know, it was one of those that's like, why'd you throw that one? Right. I always think about that. So that's probably it. You said in your tenure, you don't have a whole lot of regret of selecting players

and dragging free agency, but you do regret Josh Allen. Yeah. Look, you're sitting right there. You had the fifth pick in the draft and you don't take him. You think that would have changed the fortunes? I do.

You know, I do. And because I really liked him. But, you know, the problem is I, and the way that I worked is I wanted buy-in from the coaching staff. And I couldn't get the buy-in from the coaching staff, right? I couldn't get everybody on the same page with it. And, you know, so, and I loved him now. You know, when he was coming out, when he was coming out, he wasn't perfect. Yeah, he was wrong.

He was very, very raw, right? And, you know, his accuracy was the biggest question. Right. Athletic is hell big, strong, competitive, and all those types. things but you know there was a you know that that was the one question I loved them you know that and that's what I say I regretted is because I didn't overrule everybody and say I'm taking him I'm taking them right I'm taking them because now it's up to you to make him good right but none of the coaches were all kind of

and then you know nobody and they were all hot on Bradley Chub right because it was I'm forgetting who the head coach was it was it was a VJ at the time I might have been VJ. I might have been VJ. And so they were all hot on getting ready to. Pair and him with Vaughn. Yeah, exactly, right? So I just couldn't get the buy-in and even though I liked him.

But so the one regret I have that we've talked about is that I didn't just overrule and say we're taking them. Now, again, you have to have the right coach to coach him up because you look at him his first year. He wasn't like that until he got with day ball and now these coaches. Correct. And be able to get, that's why if you don't have buy-in on that offensive side and knowing that, okay, well, So, but, so that, yeah, that's the one we get us at Jim. Howie Long said Caleb Williams is this generation's John Elway. You know, he's coming on.

He is. He's coming on. He's doing better. You know, the one thing, he's moving around, he's not, decision-making is getting better. And, yeah, I think he is a, I think he's a great play. You know, it's like anything. He's still young. He's not, you know, to me, in watching him, the few games that I've watched him,

he's not hitting the ones he should hit every time. Right. Right. The easy ones, the ones that, you know, square outs. hitches, those type balls that you should, you got on a target every time. That, you know, he's still a little,

but that'll come. Right. That'll come with maturity and experience. But that throw that he made against Green Bay in overtime. Oh, my God. The one that he made a couple of weeks earlier where he threaded and needed through two guys

and his guy catches. I mean, he can, his ability to throw on the move. Yeah. And the one thing that, you know, and I believe this too, Shannon, is that as a quarterback to be a grade in the NFL, you have to be able to win it from the pocket.

yes you got to be able to make the throws from the pocket now the addition of movement and creating you know creating big plays yes extending plays that is all a added bonus right but to be able be great and that's where i you know that's what Caleb i think is getting a lot better right because in college is such a better athlete but he could do whatever he wanted around all over the place right but he seems to be getting more comfortable staying in that pocket ben johnson's keeping him in there a little bit when he's making those throws and then the added bonus is the ability to move around. The franchise tag was possibly created because of you

because Mr. Bowling didn't want to use you. So they wanted to be able to tag a player that they felt was a foundation piece that he was going to be remembered for playing for this organization. Do you remember anything about 1993 to Free Agency? You know, I'd heard the same rumor. I don't know if that's 100% true,

but I had heard the same thing that it was Pat that was one that brought that up and was a staunch supporter of the franchise tag. Right. Yeah. And it was, I was, I was fine with it because I didn't want to go anywhere else anyway. How does John Elway, when it's all said and done, 25 years from now, you came here in 83 and you never left. You have other places in different spots, but this is home. How does John Elway

want to be remembered? You know, I would like, yeah, you know, number one is a person that was a positive influence on the community, you know, have the legacy, have the remembrance of a solid playing career, but also somebody that was a positive insult within the community and also was one that helped bring Denver, you know,

out of the dusty old cowboy days and, you know, hopefully, you know, help bring the city to where it is today. But also, I think the most important thing is, and I believe it in my life, the most important thing to me is relationships. Yeah.

You know, because it doesn't matter about money, anything else that you have, what you've done, all that stuff is the relationships that you have, that, you know, that the people that I've met here and you realize that, you know, he was a great football player, but a better person. John Elway.

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