Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Joseline Hernandez Part 1

Episode Date: September 16, 2026

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Stopping by for conversation on the drink today, one of the most polarizing women to ever grace the TV screen. She's a reality TV icon, a top earning reality TV superstar, popular on screen personality, a culture influencer, executive producer, bold entrepreneur, a business mogul who's built her own streaming empire. She's a chart-topping rapper, genre-bending artist, global trail, blaze, hit maker, and a creative anthems, and they have a loyal fan base. Her music has become part of pop culture conversation. She's an actress, a dancer, a performer, an entertainer, a mother, and a wife, the international superstar, here she is, the Puerto Rican princess, Ms. Jocelyn Hernandez.

Oh, M.G. You are the only man outside of my husband that has truly presented me properly. Okay. Thank you. Well, thank you. Stopping by how you doing today? I'm doing great. You know what?

We normally told me, you told me off camera and say, I hate that I'm pregnant. So we're going to have to come back and get you. But you know what? We're going to have a drink of water. You got water. But I want you to drink. You want me to drink? Yeah.

I can't drink. Why are you going to be punished? Because I'm with child. Tell them why I can't drink. Because you got the Holy Bible right. Now, why would, you know, you know, that's messed up. Shea. Why would you bring the Holy Bible for me?

Like I'm some type of devil woman. The word of the day, the courage God gives. Why would you do this? Y'all don't understand. When I walked up in here, you took this out your bag. That was kind of fucking. Actually, I was reading it before you even got here. I was reading it because I knew I was going to need strength today.

But why you need strength? Because little of me, what happened? Below you. Why? How you doing? Very pregnant. Seven months. Seven months.

My second kid. Second. The whole is the first. How far apart are they? She's about to be 10. Okay. Why so long in between? You know, it took so long to get my husband to give me some of that nut.

He's stingy. He is, when I tell you, that man stingy, you know, he raised my daughter. He raised her daughter. I made him when Bonnie was four months. Okay. You know, all the guys used to try to talk to me when I was pregnant. I was separated from my other guy that I used to deal with. Right, right.

And all these guys used to try to talk to me. Yeah, wild men like women were pregnant. I don't know. Now when I watch this street, they be like, I'm like, oh my gosh, they like dogs in heat. I think because they see a beautiful woman can bring life into the world. Yeah. They like that. But I met my husband when my daughter was four months.

Okay. We never separated. And y'all never been apart? Nine years. Wow. Well, congratulations. How are you feeling? You feeling good?

I feel great. I feel good. Is your oldest daughter, is she ready to be a big sister? She's so, first of all, you know, Bonnie Bella is a star. Okay. You know everybody loves her. She's always on the media for the right things. Right.

Not the wrong things. You know, she speaks Chinese. Wow. Yeah, she's been taking Chinese. She's been taking Chinese for four years. Okay. She plays the piano. My husband taught her how to play the keyboard.

And she's just so smart, but she's the weirdest thing ever. She's literally the opposite of me. I don't know how that happened. Meaning when she says the opposite of you. I mean, I be talking shit. I've been sending out. She's not like that. And you're proud of that?

I thought you would calm down. I mean, you got to be. You got a kid, you got one daughter, got another daughter in the way, you got a husband now. It should have mellowed you out. It should have like, you know what, I'm not that old Jocelyn anymore. I'm not the old Jocelyn anymore. I am growing up. I am.

I'll give you that. I am growing up. But in this industry, you have to be a woman of courage. You have to be able to fight battles. And you came back down. Figuratively. No. Figuratively fight.

No. Like, ultimately. No, not literally fight, not literally put hands on people. Ultimately, you have to make this shit happen. Right. Because they were, you know, you know, this industry would spit you, shoot you up and spit you apart, speed you out and never for you to be seen again.

And I've been fighting since I got on love and hip-hop. You know I had a tough, I've done some tough things on TV. You know that shit. Yes, I have. A lot of tough. shit that I've had to encounter, deal with, or handle on TV, and it has not been easy. So that makes, that changed you. Plus that to mention, look, I grew up in the ghetto of Puerto Rico.

Right. I grew up in the slums of Puerto Rico. No shoes. I used to have heroin needles stuck on my foot. All the junkies used to be getting high. My dad was a junkie, so my dad used to do hair on. Going outside in Puerto Rico without shoes because we didn't have that many, you're going to run and there's going to be a needle. stuck on your foot. You know how many needles my mom took out my foot? So I come from a very

difficult place. Like almost like everything was already against me. You feel me? Yes. So it's like, what do you do? Okay. What do you do for fight? Well, we're going to get, we're going to get to your childhood. We want to talk about your daughter and this birth on camera. You had your first daughter on camera. This one going to be on camera. Yes. On why? hear TV, my streaming app WayTV. Us. Waterbirth or traditional? You know, can I tell you something? Yeah. My first one was water birth. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I don't know what to do.

I don't know what to do. I have my doctor. Right. And then I have like a few midwives that I have on standby. But I don't know when I'm going to make that decision. I don't know. This baby is bigger than the average kid. I've been told a few times, yes. But it's a girl, correct? When you come to the baby shower, when you come to the baby shower. I'll find out of the baby shower. Yeah, you'll be in Miami. Are y'all gonna do one of those extravagant where you let the balloons go and it's, you know, blue or it's pink or you have, you're gonna do one of those catchy? Have to do it.

Have to do it. This is huge for me. It's huge. Is this the last one? You're gonna have more? I don't know. I got good. You don't know.

It might, listen, it might just happen quick. happened quick. I did tell my husband, though, I was like, listen, if we have sex within the six-week time of having this baby, you'll get pregnant again. For sure. So I'm like trying to stay away from him for that first six, seven weeks, because... Have you been staying away from him now? I told him I didn't even want his free come to touch my hand after six weeks. Because if I touch his come and just touch down there, I'm going to get pregnant. But he's going to be, he's been waiting all this time. What you expect him to do? You know why he's been, we've been working. We've been, we've I've been working. I've been trying. I'll ask him like, hey, when are we going to do?

He's like, I think we should wait a little bit more. But then like, recently, I was like, no, we got to do this shit now. He's a very patience, man. He's got a lot of patience. Very, very, very. He's got a good pullout game. His pullout game is strong. So, are you, were you nervous to give birth on camera? I was not. Did you see that? Did you see that scene when Bonnie Vela came out of my Cuddy Cat? That's your hurt.

No apadour I know why You like pain You can't have an apadour when you do the midwives I know you can But my point That's my point Is that knowing that you

Once you start this process It's over Ain't no epidura happening There ain't nothing They can give you for pain You just got to bear it You just got to bite down and bear it 18 hours

Man ain't nobody trying to endure pain like that 18 hours in labor with that girl I cannot I cannot That's one of my most viral Things that I ever said on TV. I just said I cannot. I could not. I could not. I thought I was going to die.

And like, I looked the mess. But they have, this whole meme of me. Just, I cannot, I cannot. I have hair. I have makeup. The whole plan. You're going to be looking like this. Give you a birth to this baby. That was the plan. But nothing happened. When them kids to touch my face in my hair, I say, if y'all get out of my face, I'll kill y'all. So I just look like a regular woman giving birth.

I plan are looking good. Right. I don't think they're going to let you look like this in the delivery. Why not? No, you can't do all that. Listen, it's been done. I ain't never seen no pregnant one be looking like you looking like right now. Normally, they'd be looking a mess.

They'd be sweating and all that pain. You're talking about 18 hours? That makeup going to be gone, Josh. 18 hours, and it was the most painful thing I ever experienced. It's like death. That shit hurt. That's what I hear. Hurts the most painful.

No, no medicine? No painkiller. pain killer. So now you, now after having gone through that, you know how painful it was over 18 hours and you say this baby has the potential to be bigger than the last baby. Are you sure that's something you want to endure? Yes, and I'm definitely not going to go to Apodora because a lot of the girls be like, when I get it, it didn't work. It didn't work. So it's like half of the kuchi is like numb and the other half is not numb. So it's like, why even do that? If you move, you can be paralyzed with the with the shot on your back, right?

I don't got time for that. So you're going to do it this time. So you're going to have another natural birth? I am. Whether I go to the hospital or whether I do it at home, it's going to be natural. I'm not doing it, I'm but do it. Hey, I'm Tori Webster, and I host That Digital Take.

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with your daughter about some of your past. What made you to do? What made you decide to do that? Well, Bonnevalley is very smart. Okay. She's like a genius. She's top of like 70. She's in the top

tile of her class. Like, she's like so smart. She goes to one of the toughest schools to get into in Florida. Like, I've got so many girls that rap that sat on your couch before. That called me that living in Florida, hey, can you help me get my kid in your daughter's school?

Right. I'm like, bitch, look. I would see what I could do. It's very difficult to get in that school. She has a phone. She also has friends. And, you know, these are kids that are rich. They wasn't brought up like I was.

They're, like, really smart. I don't need anybody telling my dad or anything I've done on TV before I tell it to her because she's too smart. She likes to be in my business. She's always, like, inquiring about certain things. So it's like, I had to let her know. Like, listen, you know, and I told her this, like, before she was not.

Right. That I used to take off my clothes for work. I think I told her this when she was like seven. Don't you think that's a bit young, Joss? She's really, she's not the regular girl. But she's still seven. Eight, nine. She's not, she's not, her brain operates a little different.

Okay, so you're having this conversation. So I'm Bonnie Bella. So you sit down and have a conversation and you say, Bonnie, I'm, baby, I want to tell you something. No, you don't go like that. We literally be talking about random stuff. Yes. And then like a certain conversation might come up. Okay.

You know what I mean? Yes. Because how a lot of things come up in her house, I always have to remind her where her mother come from, or where her papa comes from my husband. Yes. Because she don't come from that. She doesn't know shit about that. Right.

You know, it's like you have to teach these children where their parents come from. If not, they would never understand the struggle. And so by me having to have these conversations with her about not judging people or not looking at people, you know, I have a lot of friends that come in and out that are gay or lesbians. I've been with women before. You know what I mean? So she sees a lot of things. You told her that too?

I've never told her I've been with a woman yet, but it's coming. What, she's going to see this? It's coming because she knows about lesbians. She has a friend in school that told her that he was gay at their age. And I'm like, you know, you better hold that secret. That he told you that that's your secret forever. don't say shit to nobody else. So she knows it's like we're living in a place where like these children know a lot is everywhere.

It's everywhere. So it's like you've got to kind of guide them through life. Right. So like as bad as I want to keep my secrets, I can't. She's growing up so quickly. Like it's all over the place. I have to say something about it. Did your mom have adult conversations with you at any point in time?

No. My mom didn't tell me shit. Are you upset about that? Yes. Okay. What type of conversation? like the birds and the bees, like, well, this is where kids come from. And if you have sex, if you have premarital sex, there's potential that a child can be born.

Is those the type of conversation you wanted your mom to have with you? Yes, I wanted her to let me know that it's bad shit out there. Men are freaky. They're going to try to fuck you. What about women? Women too. I want to her to tell me things that I needed to know. Because here I am growing up in the slums of Puerto Rico, this pretty black girl.

Spanish girl, man going to try to take advantage of me. Right. And I never knew. You speak Spanish? Yes, I go to the Spanish. Sure that's a Puerto Ricana, the princesses of Puerto Rican. How I don't I'm going to be Spanish?

Oh. Because I speak Spanish. So, you wanted to beat the Internet to telling your daughter about some of the things that have happened in your past So you feel very comfortable sitting down having an adult conversation with her because you said she's really advanced for her age.

Very advanced for her age. And yeah, you know, also too, doing my family show, and this is why I told her that. I told her that on my own family show. I have a family show on my network. We have to talk. Right.

If I'm inviting the people to my home, they really truly need to see how we act at home. And that's just the truth. This is how we... Everything that her and I spoke about that, everybody's seen on the internet. You've had these conversations. We have these conversations at home.

Without the cameras. Without the camera. So if I'm inviting the cameras in for people to get to know me a little bit more. What I'm really also trying to do is for people to get to know Jocelyn Hernandez, the mother. Right. The daughter. The wife. The businesswoman.

Right. Just not the character. Okay. And so that's why I did that. That's why I brought the cameras into the house in. I've been on TV for 18 years. You have. It's been such a long time.

And I think people only know me from the bullshit. But they don't know me. Right. As a person. How different. And I know you tried to do everything you possibly can because you say you was born in Puerto Rico, grew up in the slums of Puerto Rico, and your daughter is never going to, your daughter is not going to know that life. So how different is your parenting to your daughter based on what your mom, how she raised you?

Because a lot of times we could only raise a kid. kind of how we know how we were raised. But you want to get away from that. You don't want to, you don't want to be raised your daughter, nothing like how your mom raised you. My mama got five baby daddies and six kids. Oh, my goodness. That's a lot.

That is a lot. And she's, you know, she's 70 years old, so she's an older woman. And she's been married for 35 years to her husband. See, look at her. And he met her when she had five little babies. We got, my, my mom, got that got that good. Listen, that's just what.

That's just what. it is. I'm sorry. I don't know. But that way you got the Bible. Or daily bread. Oh, let me not touch it before it burned up. Let me make sure it's on the right here. Or daily bread, honey. Let me die. Let me die. Let me go back to the your head. Your head is. Curried Godgias. Listen, don't try to put that motherfucker's spell on me.

There ain't no spell on you. Don't try to put spells on me while I'm seeing here in your face. I destroyed. Y'all believe in that stuff? Well, you know, I grew up doing something here. So that's what it is. It might not be the good hoo-ha. You might have cast a spell on somebody. It's the good hoo-ha. But I used to definitely cast spells, yes.

Why do you do that on people? Why are you saying that like that? It's been a while. I haven't, truly, truly, I grew up going to the witch house with my mom and my aunties in Puerto Rico. So when I was growing up, my mom used to go to the witch lady house. She was like 90-something years old. the witch lady was old as scary Puerto Rican lady. We used to go to her house a lot.

Then my auntie used to be a witch also. I see my grandma floating. After watching a friend go through a loss a few years back, I saw how quickly grief can turn into financial stress. No one deserves that feeling I saw him feel ever, and I mean no one. No matter what I offered to help, it wasn't enough. I promised my family I would never make them feel the same way my buddy felt.

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That stuff is real. The stuff is real. I just feel like when you allow yourself to like getting that, what's the word I'm looking for? Dealing that orbit? Yeah, that's a good word. When you allow yourself to be in that orbit. So then y'all had like...

It's almost like manifesting. Oh, yeah. It truly is, but just a little different. Do you have, do you have like dolls? Do you have like dogs? Do you have like dogs? You try to do something bad to somebody and you pluck, pluck the doll and sticky? Yeah, they have all type of different ways of doing it.

But I just remember my grandma floating because the room, the candle room. She had the candle room. I never really went in that room. I never went in that room. And she had too many dead spirits in her house. Because every brother or sister or friend that in that particular location in PR, that little land there, I don't want anything to do with that land. But literally, she buried them, like, behind the yard and the weight was in her house. It's just too many dead spirits in there.

You know, it's too many. I've seen at least 10 people get freaking buried in the backyard and we've seen them in the house. That's growing up before I came to for a lot of them. Right. But yeah, she was, this was floating in the room with the candle. I always tell this story to my husband because it's really, I'm not, I couldn't make it up. And I know it's not my mind playing tricks at me because I've seen too many things in Puerto Rico when we used to go to the witch places and just deal with that type of, you know, Santeria stuff. But yeah, I've never forget.

Like, if that person wasn't floating, I don't know what the that was. Wow. But she was going like this in the candle room. dressing all white scary I tell this story to my husband all the time because he's like some serious shit

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anything else for him is like whatever so your mom your aunts Everybody that your side of the family went to the witch lady house. My grandma was a witch. Your grandma. Why y'all practice this? Why are you believed in this?

Well, you know, growing up in Puerto Rico or like any Hispanic place, right? Yeah. They do a lot of like witchcraft. They do like Sandaria, Bar-Alaos and all that stuff that they do. I heard about that. I'd be seeing they'll be doing a chant of Sandaria. Santeria. Yeah.

And Babelau. Love Bavala, see, yeah. So it's just like something you grow up doing. But then, like, when you get older, you're just like, because it's like a really tough religion. And you have to spend a lot of time doing it. Right. So, like, me, when I started getting older,

I realize that I don't need to, like, do all of that to make it. Right. Like, I'm good, you know? Right. Like, I could do this without it. Right. So for me, I just kind of stopped doing it. And then my mom, I also stopped doing it and became a question.

but my mom used to be in the wishhouse lady faithfully. I mean, every Sunday. She got her a man with five kids, so it might have worked. It might have. That's a lot. And he brought her here for Lauderdale, Florida. They still together after like 35 years.

Wow. And five children. How old were you when you came to the States? I was eight. You're eight years old. So how different, so the first eight years, as much as far as back you can remember in Puerto Rico, how different was your upbringing in Puerto Rico compared to once you arrived in the States?

It was different because once we got here, my mom's husband, he got a better job. Okay. And he bought a house. Okay. I think his parents, yeah, his dad had gave him the money to buy a house. Okay. So he bought a nice house. And they still live in the same house.

Wow. They had the house forever. And, you know, we was going to school. So we learned how to speak English. And it was more opportunities because, like, all my friends in PR, they all became drug addicts. And I've had my fair share of drug abuse, but I feel like if I would have stayed in Puerto Rico, I would have probably died of drugs.

An overdose or something. Yeah. And I didn't die of an overdose, which I should have been dead a thousand times in America. Really? I mean, I sniffed a lot of cocaine in my past. Too much. Yeah.

I've been clean for going on five years now. Well, congratulations. Thank you so much. Stay clean. Absolutely. I've done it for so many years. I don't want anything to do with it. Right.

It's one of those things that were, I don't know if you grow out of it or I don't know if you want to change your life and become a better person. But it's like I don't want anything to do with it. What's your faith? You have a favorite memory of your childhood? No.

And there was nothing positive about it, huh? No. I have no good memories of my childhood. What about the worst memory? A who? A worse memory. Probably when I was 13 and my mom told me that, because me and one of my brothers got the same dad.

Okay. And then everybody else has their own dad. Right. Probably when my mom was like, she just came to me and my brother, I think we were in the kitchen for a lot of them. She was like, you know, your dad died, cold as ever. And me and my brother kind of just looked at each other like, did she just tell us her dad die?

and just kind of went about her business. That was kind of cold. Your dad died of a heroin overdose, right? Yes. When she told us that. Is that why you think you, that kind of ran in your family, your dad did drugs?

Absolutely, yes. It definitely has an effect on the children. And if you're born and raised in those type of areas, where they, where it's a lot of drugs. And you're seeing this, it's like your, it's like your subconscious. It's like it's in there. Right. You know, and then for years I ran away from cocaine.

I'm like, I would never do cocaine. And it's just, I'd be around people that I'd be sniffing that shit, sniffing. And I'm like, no, I'm straight. I'm straight. I would never do cocaine. I'm straight. And it took one person to try to give it to me for like months. Right.

I was like 25 when I first did it. and I finally fell for it. But remember, they always say never say never. Right. And I used to always say never. And the same thing I said I would never do, I did. I did it. But you have a lot to do how I grew up.

My dad and my family members and all the drug addicts I've seen in the neighborhood going up. It's like it's not something that just happened like that. Right. It's something that's been working in your mind. Did you have a close, did you have a relationship? with your father? I only see him like three or four times. Why you think he only saw you three or four times?

Was he embarrassed because of what he had become? He was an addict? Or was he, what was the reason why did you, I don't think your mom kept you away from him? So what was the reason you think you didn't have a better relationship with your father? Because he was choosing the dope. If you're choosing the dope, you're not going to be choosing the children. Right.

You're going to be choosing the dope. You want to get high. And, you know, that's a, like, heavy drug. Like, that's one of the drugs that, A lot of people don't come back from. Like, you can come back from cocaine. Yeah. But crack and hair on, that's...

Yeah, math, yeah. It's really, no, coming back from that. Right. I've never really... They always fall back into it. That's like a drug that's like, you know, and here I am, never saying never to anything, but I just know what they do.

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We, we came there. I actually, I haven't seen her in nine years prior to last month. Joss. What? What about a granddaughter? Same thing. That's the last time we seen her when Bonnie was born. I know, but that's my point.

Well, I... You got to break the cycle. I did. I actually, when I started filming my TV show, I brought the cameras over. Could you have done this without the cameras? No. Call on them.

Why? Because. Oh, you're afraid he was going to say something or do something? No, I went. If you want to be a part of me, then you have to be a part of what I do. And I do. That's blackmail.

What? That's blackmail. You can't say if you want to be a part, if you want to see me, The grand daughter to be a part of this, you got to be a part of this. No, no, no. I brought, that's not what I'm saying. Okay.

What I'm saying is that I came to see them. Okay. And I brought the cameras. I was filming my family TV show. I haven't done it. I haven't seen them in years. And I have my reasons to not want to see them. But if I'm coming to see you and I'm handling my business, I need the people to see, you know,

people know my story from love and hip-hop. People kind of know the struggles I have with my mom. mom. So it's like, okay. Yeah, I've talked about it before. Was there abuse in the household? Did your mom abuse you? My mom, the problem I have, I feel like I've always had with my mom is that she had too many children and we could not get any attention or any, like, any, like, um. One or what, yes.

Or any help. Yes. Like any, like, you know, motivation. Right. Or anything. Or any teaching or anything. How close in age are the siblings? Oh, we're all close in age.

Like 25, 30, 31, 35. My oldest sister, she's 50. Okay. My mom had her when she was 20. My oldest sister is 50. Yeah. So I took the cameras for my TV show. Okay.

And they were there. They accepted us with open arms. Right. I was kind of shocked. Really? Well, she was happy to see her daughter. She wanted to see her granddaughter. What do you mean?

She was shocked. You were shocked. Well, because I had the cameras with me, so I thought that she would be like, get the fuck out. She wasn't going to do that. But she let us in. We actually went to my brother house.

And I didn't tell my brother that I was bringing the cameras. My brother. What are you shady? Josh, you'll be on some boo. You can watch that new episode. The new episode actually drops. Right. Tomorrow.

No, I'm sorry, Tuesday, Tuesday. But I brought the cameras, right? Right. And my brother, he's the one that we got the same dad. He was like, what the fuck? He was like, Johnson, and you're a descarada. What do I mean? He's like, you are, you, I don't know how to say descarada in English, but like, no shame.

I have no shame. Yes. He just kept saying like, you have no shame. You have no shame. You have no shame. But he let us come in and he talked and he brought his daughter and she talked and it was good. And then my mom, because I was going to bring the cameras on my mom's husband, he was like, no, I just tell mom to come over here. So then I just killed two birds and one stone.

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because you wanted to make sure you could devote and give your daughter the attention and love that she needed? And she wouldn't feel like you felt towards your mom? Well, to be honest with you, I've been on tour for the past five years. Okay. To be real honest.

Okay. But my husband and I only do Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. It will stay the, we'll stay on Friday. So we do like three, four days out of the week and then we stay the week with her take her to school and do that stuff. And, you know, I do spend time with her, but I've been working. Right.

So it's not really why I waited so long. But I do spend a lot of time with my daughter and I do teach her a lot. And my husband spends a lot of time with her, even more than I spend. They play video games together. They always hanging out. That's awesome. But I think I waited so long because I've been hustling. Yes.

We've been making money. We've been hustling. We've been trying to put this shit together. You're hustler, huh? I gotta be. Look where I come from. What am I supposed to do? go back to shit?

No. You can't. No. It's hard. Once you develop a lifestyle for yourself, it's hard to see yourself going back to that where you came from. And not even about the lifestyle. You want to grow.

Yes. You want to live a legacy. And you want to live something for your children. Right. You don't want to just build a bunch of nothing. You want to build some stuff that your children can run and have and, you know, take it to the next level, too. Did your mom teach you anything?

No. debate yourself or how to take care of it. You're a woman. You're going to have issues coming along when you become like 11-12, how to do certain things? Nothing. Well, how did you learn that? I learned it myself.

I'm not trying to take anything away from her, but she didn't teach me anything. I wish you would have. You don't think I wish my mom would have taught me things? Yes. So she didn't teach you anything about your sight when you get your monthly. She didn't teach me nothing. The hell.

Nothing. You think your mom chose men over you guys? I mean, it seems like if she got six kids, seemed like she was doing a lot of f***. There's a lot of pundit going up in that day. Oh, Lord, that mercy, Jocelyn. I'm looking she didn't abort me. That's a f***.

I'm lucky to be seeing here. I'm knocking on wood. I don't want your mother put no spell on me. Sharp, you're going to die. I don't want to buy it. No, she's a Christian now. She's like you, a Bipo thumper. I ain't no Bible thump her.

She's thumping on that motherfucker. Like you, she had that bitty. Right there with her nose and shit. And I'll just be like, child, all the gossiping you still be doing. But it reminds me or you? No, I'm just kidding. Is it true that you ran away from home? I did.

How old were you? Oh, my gosh. I started running away from her since I was like 12. And then you would come back Or they'll come get you She'll come get me Annoying my fucking ass So where would you go

She'll send the police on me So okay You run away from home She sent the police Come get you and go back No no they'll put me in juvenile In Puerto Rico That's how they did it in Puerto Rico

Here when we started getting Yeah so you were here Because I was 8 years ago When I was 8 right Right right So I started getting locked up In juvenile when I was like 13 She would lock me out for eight months

at a time. And then you run away again? Soon as I got out of that, I'm out. Fuck y'all. Josh. What? I don't want to be in a place where they're not teaching me anything. I don't want to be in a place where they're not thriving.

I don't want to be a place where there's nothing going on. I had to fend for myself and find out what I wanted to be in life. Could you have had a conversation with your mom? No. Your mom was the type of woman that you could sit down and have a conversation with? She was trying to get, she's just trying to work. her and her husband was trying to do those odd jobs and stuff like that

you got all these kids I actually did them a favor I was getting to fuck out the way you ain't even have to take care of me you got too many other kids take care of them but you're running away from home you 12 13 14 years of old

of age you're on the street you got to fit for yourself you got to fight you got to survive you got to find food you got to work and I'm assuming you're Puerto Rican you're an attractive young lady guys gonna be trying to take advantage of you

Damn. You weren't afraid? No. I'm still not afraid. Oh, I can see that now because I've seen you get down. You're definitely not afraid. I'm not afraid. No, I've never been. Listen, either I was going to die trying. I'm like 50 cents. Yeah.

Get rich or die trying. Right, right. Either you're going to fucking kill me, somebody going to kill me in the streets, or I'm going to figure this shit out. Right. But I'm not going back to the house. Y'all already know.

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The last time you ran away, your mom probably came and had a conversation with you. What did you tell your mom? The last time I ran away, I think I was like 6.15, I think. They locked me up in this. The funny thing is they locked me up in this place really far, like three, four hours away from. for a lot of there. And the man that was working in there, they used to come around touching our tits and our pussies and all the little girls in there

they'll come and play with us and do all that shit. The place she was liking me up at. Did you tell her that? Did you say, Mom? We didn't used to say anything. None of the girls that was like that used to say nothing. We didn't give a fuck. We was in there like shit. We get more than anything they would they... You got in attention. She used to like me up in those type of places.

And they had a lot of sick men in those type of places. Yeah, for sure. In those juvenile places? Yes. Like, they're like called programs that they send the children for like 10 months or like a year, right? Right. I've been locked up in like three of those programs for when I was 13 to when I was like 15 or 16. And the last program they locked me out for like 10 months.

It was a lot of sick men in there. They'll never penetrate you, but they'll always touch you. And of course they don't want to penetrate you because if they penetrate you, then they'll find out. Right. that they've been molesting you. Right. But the little touchy field for them is like, okay, that maybe never happened.

It could be in their mind. You know what I mean? So, yeah, this is nothing that just happened with the Perry Hilton and them in those places that your mom would spend a million dollars to keep you there for a year. This happened in the poor places, too. Bam.

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You're probably not 15, 16. At what age did you say, you know what, I got to make money. I got to make ends meet and you decide to become a stripper. 17. That's not legal. No. But you look, but you've always looked more mature for your age. I think so.

Yeah. I think so. Well, you're not, so I'm saying, okay, I don't know how it is because, you know, in Atlanta, they take it all off. So I don't know if it's like that in Miami or Fort Lauderdale. So did you have on bottom zone and you didn't have to take it all off, right? Um. Or you just like, kind of like Lodry. No, we used to take it off.

All of it? Yeah, we used to take it all off. Yeah. I'm almost sure Listen, I haven't been a stripper since I was 23 or so But I'm almost sure we took it all off In Florida now

And you wasn't embarrassed You wasn't ashamed Like walking around in front of me And buttball No No I wasn't ashamed I wasn't embarrassed

No I had a fake ID too That's where the name comes The name Chenelica Uh huh Comes from the fake ID That's where that name Come from

I wasn't embarrassed You made good money? I've made a lot of money. I've met a lot of money. What's the most money you made in the night? Well, I could tell you what's the most money a man gave me in one time? What's the most money he gave you? Like $350,000.

Three, Hello. $350 like... Cold cash. Pesos? No. Dollars. Dollars. Dollars.

$350,000. Yeah. You were his girlfriend? Yeah, you can say so. Okay. You could say, like, you could say that he, like, he liked me, and I was like, you know. Yeah, you're going to break my mouth like that. So did you say, did you save some internet money, John?

I actually, I mean, I still use some of the money I had on love of hip-hop, so I'm good with money. I'm good with money. I'm good with money. But, no, I was a lot younger, and so I spent a lot of money that, you know, was given to me and stuff like that. But I've done good with my money. $350,000. So did you fight? Did you get in fights?

When I used to be a stripper? Yeah. Yeah, a lot of times. For what, what you fighting for? Because I was cute. I was young and I had a fat little, long hair, sexy. The boys used to come in and say, where's Chanelica? I only want her to dance.

And a lot of times, he used to be like, keep your clothes on. You could just dance there. I used to be like a companion more than anything. Yeah. Because I was just so cute. And the girls used to be hanging on me. They'll be trying to cut me with nice and everything But Josh, I mean

Women ain't looking at other women Hoo-Hawks about oh her hoo-hooker than mine So let me fight her Well, no, they're looking at you like, oh, that's got my customer And the guys aren't everybody's customers Yeah They're not just your customer But they felt you're getting more from the customer

Than they were possibly getting I always did So a woman tried to pull a blade out on you A couple of times Right out of the Rolex You ever been to the Rollins in Miami? I have not But you heard of it.

I heard of it. I think it's probably closed now. But yeah, back in those days. You danced in Monix? In Miami? In Atlanta. Yeah. That's the last place I danced at.

Okay. No, no. You didn't dance the magic, huh? I did. Yeah. Back when I meet you and then was out. Oh, yeah. Oh, BMF.

Yeah, back in the age. Oh, that was. Oh, that was. Yeah, we made like $50,000 on stage. Just like anything. Yeah. They were the one that started making it rain. No, the guy's been making a rain before.

Not like that. Well, not like that, but them Africans used to be in Miami making the rain too. It's not just those guys. It's not just BMF, trust me. The Africans was coming through with 50K, 100K. And the basketball players too. What? The Miami here and all of the guys was coming in like spending money.

It's not just like a group of guys. It's like a bunch of guys. You know, history repeats itself. It's just like, that's nothing new. Damn. Ooh. Why did you move? I mean Atlanta.

Why did I move to Atlanta? Because you know that's where the ball was at. No, no, no. Yeah. The guys was chasing me. I was never chasing the guys. Please, stop it. I could go anywhere in money, please.

Please. No, no, no, no. No, I probably moved to Atlanta just because I probably just wanted to, you know, just like being a stripper in Miami, you always hear, oh, the girls make a lot of money in Atlanta. And so, like, people take trips to other cities, like Houston, Atlanta, Miami, So it wasn't just me, like all the girls, like, they'll go to different places. Right. And so I think that that's one day I just went there and I liked it.

Did you have any girlfriends while you was in the stripping game? Like, like, friends? Yeah. Uh, maybe like a couple. Couple. Let me ask you a question. Why do you think women become so successful? Because a lot of women started off, you look at a Cardi B, you look at an Eve, you look at a cash doll,

and you look at how they were to transition, they leave that life and then move on to something more and look at yourself. Why is that? If we did it in the strip club, we could do it anywhere. Okay, okay, makes sense. That's like, that's the hardest place to do that. If you could do it in the strip club, you can make it anywhere.

But the girls that you're naming, they're actually superstars. Yeah. So it don't work the same for everybody. Correct. It's some of us that are super smart, or that want to do other things. Like, for example, I've been doing reality TV. I don't make VH1 via Com a billion dollars.

I made Seuss Network a billion dollars. Now I got the way TV, my own app. I'm going to make it a billion dollars. You know what I'm saying? Yes. It's like it's one of those things where you keep going and keep going and keep growing. You can't keep working for the man. You got to kind of like figure out of the way

where you're going to make it for yourself. Right. And so that's just the type of girl that I've always been. How do you think that field prepares you for the real world? It don't. Because a lot of the girls that I used to dance with them, but she's still stripping. And I tell you something, I went to Atlanta not too long ago, maybe like a few years back. And one of the girls that I used to dance with in Miami, and she's like, she was 50.

She was 50 when I seen her. She was still in that club dancing at 50 years old. I was so shocked. I was looking at her, looking at her, looking at her, and she was like, I was like, Sorry, I'm just looking. Because I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. I could not believe she was still in there, shaking that old.

Like, bitch, she was 50 years or so why are you still in here? And the funny thing is she was dancing for the guys. They liked her. They liked her, yeah. She was still dancing. Ain't that wrong with a little old. 50? You make it seem like she's 65.

And the strip club? Anything after 35 in the strip club is the grandmama. Damn. After 35 in the strip cup, you should be ashamed of yourself. By that time, you should already know, like, let me do something different. At 23, I was getting, I got out the club. That's when I first started doing love and hip-hop. I was already finding a way to get out of the club.

I'm like, I'm not going to be in this in the middle club until I'm 30. How did they find you to be on love and hip-hop? Stevie. Oh, okay. So he was on there, and he had his old lady. I guess it was his old lady. You know, don't do that. Don't do that.

You're talking about, you guess. You know that what it was? I don't know what them people had going on. I just knew what I needed. You needed the opportunity. Thank you. So when they said, well, we like for you to be on this, you said, okay? No, that's not how I went.

I was actually dancing and I had a homeboy. And I was like, let's, I was, one of the stripper girls, she was an older lady back in those days. Okay. And me and her used to dance together at Onyx. And I was like, hey, I was at her house one day. Her daughter was singing and dancing. I was like, girl, why you ain't got your daughter doing that damn music? Girl, she could dance dancing.

What the fuck you over here doing? And I was like, let me manage her. That was when I was 23 or so. Okay. The mama was like 35. Right. The girl was like 18. Right.

And she was about to finish high school. And the mom was like, okay, you can manage her. That's fine, whatever. I was like, okay, cool. I went to this strip club like the next night. and my homeboy, G.B., you know a producer? I'm trying to get this girl in the studio. I need somebody to help me get this girl in the studio.

I'm trying to get out the strip club. This is me at 23. I'm trying to manage this girl. I need to find, listen, help me out. So he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, my homeboy Stevie J. And I was like, well, who the fuck is that? Because, of course, I didn't know who he was. I grew up in PR, and then when I came here, you know, like, I don't know who he is.

And so he introduced me to Stevie. So that's how, within like a week, I'm in Mona and started doing 11 hip. I had took the girl to the studio with him. He was like, I don't want to do music with her. I want to do music with you. But I've done music before because my brother's Brian McKinney, which is a football. You know Brian. Yeah, I grew up with Brian.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I grew up with Brian in Florida. You know, he's been living in Florida. He's all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Brian McKinney used to give me music to do, take me to his studio. So I've been around music like since I was like, you know, 16, 17. Okay.

So he was like, I want to work with you. I don't want to work with her. She ain't a superstar. I was like shit. She 18, I'm tuning three. I was like, bitch, you got to go. I'm going to do the music. Ah, man, you fell for the ogre dog.

Ah, you did. How? How did I feel? What? You know what he, you. What? Tell me he wanted to do music. That ain't all he wanted to do.

Right, but I didn't, I wasn't thinking about what he wanted to do. I was thinking what I needed to do. Oh, even swap ain't no swindle. I mean, I wasn't even swapping anything. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're supposed to be managing old girl. You, you, you, you, 86 old girl. 86 that b'uploc. Come on, Jice.

See you... I had to do what was best for me. I don't know that whole. But you told her mom you were going to take care of it that you, hey, you were going to get into the studio, you were going to manage you. The lie detector said, that was a lie. That was a lie. Law, Haliburz, John.

So, okay, you get on love. and hip hop. Stevie, Stevie J. go help you, go get to the music game. You've been doing music, you've been around music for the steady period of time. So how did it go for music to y'all? You know, he was trying to get in my pants. Did you not know he had somebody?

Probably like, like a few times after I went to the studio with him. Yeah. Without the other girl that I was managing. Yeah. Me put that one time. Yeah. And then that's when I was I found out. Okay, you should say it, okay, look, you got Mimi. Ain't nothing going to, ain't nothing popping. I wasn't thinking about Mimi. I was thinking about what I needed to do. They won't marry. I didn't see no rings on nobody's fingers.

But you know he had somebody, Josh? That's not what he told me. But you know he would lie. I don't know what the man going to do. The man said, listen, let's do the music. You're a superstar. I'm going to help you. I'm going to take you on the show. I'm not thinking about this maid. A maid. You know, she used to be a maid. Why are you playing?

She played too many games, man. How do you try to figure out now she'll made? She's been a maid. Well, you know, she had the, what you might not know because... No, I don't know. Like, back in those days in love of hip-hop, she had like a main service. Okay. So, like, you know...

That don't mean she was cleaning. She just had... Oh, she used to clean the houses with her... How however many workers she had, whether it was two or three of them. But, yeah. I mean, but sometimes that's what it calls for. I mean, if I own a couple of McDonald's or something and they fall behind, I might be the owner. I got to get in there and flip them burgers.

I got to get on that grill. I got to be at the cash register. My husband is the one that upload all the videos that we got for our network. And he's the developer. Right. So I get it. Okay. But we ain't going to clean no houses.

That's a lot. It's too much. But, Josh, you know that at that point in time, you're a side chick, right? That's what you like to call it in America. What you call it? What they call it in Puerto Rico? You know Puerto Rico in the American territory.

I'm being funny. So what y'all call it over there? Listen, you know what I called it? What you call it? Me taking care of my business and my life. And it got me here to where am I sitting with you? He did. I'm sitting with Shay, Shay.

Lord, have mercy. I made it. Stop playing. You think I'm thinking about the maid or him or anybody else? I'm not one I'm thinking about them. But y'all, y'all became cool later on, though. I mean, I'm always going to be cool with her. And I'm sure she throws little shots at me when she threw her interviews.

It's not a big deal. Whatever, we can laugh about it, right? But I really wish her none but the best. Right. You know, she's finding to get her stuff together. She got her own skincare line. She's doing her thing. her daughter's beautiful. Like, come on. Like, I don't hate that woman. You know what I'm saying? I want

nothing but the best for her. Like, why wouldn't I want that for her? I don't hate her. She hasn't done anything wrong to me. You know what I mean? Shut out to meet me. Go buy her skincare. You know what I mean? Like, I don't. I mean, you can help promote it. You got your old skincare line? I'm actually working on it. Okay. I've been working on it for a couple of months now because I do have a flawless skin. I do. This concludes the first half of my conversation. is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just simply go back to Club Shet Shay Profile and I'll see you there. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast?

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