Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Killer Mike Part 1

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Killer Mike joins Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay fresh off his Grammy wins to reflect on his journey from Atlanta’s Westside to becoming one of hip-hop’s most outspoken voices and community leaders. Killer Mike offers an apology to Steph and Ayesha Curry. Killer Mike then opens up about his own marriage to Shay, his wife of 20 years. He recalls knowing she was “the one” after just two weeks, breaking up with another woman to be with her, and proposing with a handwritten note in Las Vegas at 3 a.m., and they kept the marriage private for nine years. Killer Mike says Shay has always been his encourager, business partner, and twin flame. Together they’ve raised a blended family, invested in property, opened businesses like their bed-and-breakfast and The SWAG Shop, and built a bond rooted in honesty and resilience. He reflects on temptation, monogamy, and the lessons learned from missteps early in marriage, including the moment Shay confronted him for being too friendly at a strip club. Killer Mike explains why partnership is about tailoring marriage to what works for you and credits Shay with helping him become a better man, father, and businessman. The conversation turns to money, business, and community. Killer Mike explains why he believes young couples should invest in homes and businesses over expensive weddings, and how he and Shay built wealth by combining his instinct for opportunities with her research-driven approach. He recalls buying Bankhead Seafood with T.I., developing housing projects, and the hard lessons of entrepreneurship — checking your ego, taking losses, and knowing when to cut ties. Killer Mike shares why cannabis should remain in the hands of local communities, not just corporations, and why he feels indebted to reinvest in Atlanta.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's something that wasn't my damn business, like my wife said. Steph did something that all us brothers with women should do, and that's stand up and defend your walk. No matter, if somebody stepped on the foot, no matter, if they did it or not, man, check him and say, hey, man, you didn't say, excuse me. So let me say again, Aisha, step, excuse me.

I apologize deeply, and I'm searching for your address, so I may sing y'all some of this paloma. Y'all may make more love, make your beautiful, light-skinned babies, ma'am. All my life, they're grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle paid the price, want to slice, got the roll of dice, that's why, all my life. I be grinding on my life, yeah, all my life, then grinding all my life, sacrifice, hustle paid the price, want a slice, got the roll of dice, that's why, all my life, I be grinding, on my life

Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shayshay. I am your host Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shishay. Stopping by for conversation on the drink today is a four-time Grammy Award-winning rapper, Emmy Award-winning host, the ultimate hypheny, a rapper, actor, outspoken, social activist, celebrated cultural commentator and an entrepreneur. He's an advocate for the disenfranchised, the frequent public speaker on politics, race, and equality.

He's earned the first ever Billboard ChangeMaker Award and Influor. influential figure, a respected artist, a decorated veteran MC, an elite wordsmith, a hitmaker, an Atlanta icon, he's hip-hop royalty. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Killer Mike. Oh, man. I appreciate that, man. I bet I appreciate you, ma'am. Thank you. We've been trying to make this happen for a minute. I understand that you're very busy, but you took time out of your schedule today to grace my audience with an opportunity to hear you, and I appreciate that.

Man, I appreciate you and let me start by saying, congratulations to you and Sterling, man. Being the first brothers with that gold-colding now. Man, it's going to be many to come, minute after, but, boy, only one first. Only one first. And you and your brother been, and as a Georgia boy, y'all been heroes of me a very long time. I appreciate that. Man, I got my own cognia, killer, Mike. I don't know you, but I want to celebrate you.

I got to celebrate, I mean, a Grammy Award winner, you've been at this thing for a minute. And we're going to talk about this during the interview, but you got your flowers. Yeah. They might have not came when you wanted them to come. But they came. They came. They got them. Hey, so, let me tell you what's cool, man, is I, I only drink by four.

four or five times a year. What is one time right here? What you got? And I got a Paloma remix that me and my guy made, me and L.P. I'm one half of run the juice. We made out of a mescal and grapefruit juice. Don't you try it out, tell me if you like it. Tell me what is it.

What is it? Give it a sip. I don't know what I'll drink. I know I taste grapefruit. You taste grapefruit? Yeah. The smoker, heavier taste is a mescal. Yeah.

Comes out of Mexico, his wife's, grandmother. wife's grandmother, his wife would bring him from Mexico. He fell in love with it. And to chase that yak pretty good at you. I'm going to have a part of that line, man. You got me, oh, man. There we go. Come on, man. Do some with me, man. Don't act like that. But you try to do something for two, some three. There we go. I don't know how they're going to go after that. It started. It started well. Mike, we got to get right into it.

Yeah. You got into a little. Verbal, not, I mean. Oh, no, stop. Hold on stop. Steph Curry. Aisha Curry. Boy, my wife can cuss me out. She got him.

My oldest daughter called me. My youngest daughter called me. My home boys that played in the NBA called me. And I realized maybe I shouldn't smoke marijuana and get on it. So, Steph, let me say this, because I appreciate it. You're checking it because it showed me you have a tremendous amount of respect for me. I was trying to say to the comedian. and go easy on step

and I just type something stupid my home girl Tessman Figuero man our political fighter and activist she said bro you don't understand how this could be Miss Red and I read it and I said damn so step let me say man since my favorite player ever turned me on you Kobe Bryant told me you we've got to follow

you heard this story before you have been my guy the only time I don't cheer for you is when you playing against the Hawks because the Hawks are my guys shots out the ice trade but I got to say first and foremost I miss Mrs. Aisha Curry and her husband's step I apologize for my statement being misconstrued I was just stoned up trying to make a joke out of it was something that it wasn't my damn business like my wife said so I'm sorry y'all and see that's the thing knowing you like I know you

you don't really dwell it delve into other people's affairs hi man high stone man and the boy made a all a gloat really joke and I love glow and I was I just giggled a little bit but I but I was hitting tell me you know don't go so hard on my guy because self my guy right but it really wrong, but I'm going to tell you something, man, Steph did something that all us brothers with women should do. And that's stand up and defend your walk. No matter, if somebody step on her foot, no matter if they did it or not, man, check him and say, hey man, you just say, excuse me. So let me say again, Aisha, Step, excuse me. I apologize deeply. And I'm searching for your address, so I may sing y'all some of this paloma. Y'all may make more love,

make a beautiful, light-skinned babies. Love y'all. You know what? A great transition. You've been married almost 20 years. Yeah. But what people don't know, probably, maybe your closest friends, you and Shay kept it a secret for a damn big decade. First nine years ago. How did you keep it a secret and why did you keep it a secret? Well, see, man, it's, it's, in the world of ruin some good stuff. If they know about it, they will.

Yeah, they will. They'll find rumor, lies in your window. They'll find reason to get in the way. And I wasn't walking a straight path, too. I was crooked to the clothes hanger. But. But that's not the reason I kept it a secret. I kept a secret because she was mine.

Right. And I didn't want to share her with gossip sites and opinion. I didn't want to share her with other people thought about marriage because it's been very non-traditional at times. I just wanted her to myself. And in the meanwhile, I had to understand that she as a wife had to share me with the world. And even though my wife's a very beautiful woman, she's very shy. She doesn't really look for attention.

That's why, you know. I couldn't tell. Yeah. You found some bad. She figured you were a home boy. She got right to talk with you. But I didn't know, man, we got, man. It was three in the morning.

We in Las Vegas. A friend of mine who had in a former life been a pimp brought me down. I wasn't doing my best financially. He was like, man, I bring up a couple of grand to the club just say hello to folks, man. My man, T.D. man, shots out. And at three in the morning, man, it just struck me. I was like, man, I'm supposed to be married to this woman. And I remember writing her note and drawing something on that saying, you know,

if you say yes, we can go do it now. If you say, no, I'm just, I'm going to figure out something else to do. And she said, yes. And we got up, got a cab. You weren't even Uber name. We got a cab at three in the morning and went to one of those drive-through chapels. Really? The cab guy was our witness.

We got married by some white woman who I'm sure was a witch. And we started figuring it out. And I have been honored to be her husband. I've been honored to have her as a wife. I appreciate her greatly because she didn't make me start going to the blue flame. She encouraged her and went with me. She encouraged me when I wanted to quit rapping, to keep rapping. She encouraged me when I went in the business to think bigger, think better, think better.

And I'm just, I'm proud of her. Ozzy Osbourne has a God bless a dead when he talks about sharing. He has a spill when he talks about sharing. They say she's my best friend. Sometimes I love her. Sometimes I hate her. Sometimes I'm envious of her. And I really felt that because those are the truest feelings sometimes when you're married.

You don't know how you're going to feel about each other that day. But I know I made a dedicated choice to her. And we're in this thing until it's over. I'm going to take these off before I start crying about him. When it was very unconventional to start. And she was seen she was amenable to it. But did you guys at any point in time have a traditional wedding where you had the family together?

So that was it. I was it. I'm going to tell you how it was. We were in South Carolina, Hillterhead. Her family, she's from Savannah. Okay. But her family, father's family in South Carolina. They're a huge family, like my mother's side of the family in Tuskegee.

and they love their nieces and nephews and sons and daughters so we were on there and she was talking about you know building on some of the land that you know the family has down there and so I'm like yeah man y'all get some land we'll figure out you know how me get her house and her and says hold up hold up hold on when you're gonna marry my niece

I said excuse me I said when I'm married my niece been too long you've been dead and you've just been having her around you just have her running around chase you on the world and I'm just like excuse I don't understand her what she says you're just going to have my daughter my niece my niece following you around chase you around the world

and I started laughing because Aunt Penny is serious she reminded me my aunt Melinda she was not playing you know what I mean she's the one that tell my wife

go cook for your husband go cook your husband don't need to go in the kitchen and cook so she's talking to that and I'm like Auntie we've been married nine years

what you've been married nine and never heard another peep out of her it satisfied her enough to know that I had validated her niece through through marrying her and that's my girl

Aunt Penny hit me at two in the morning just to ask me how I'm doing if my wife acting right. But Mike, you said you knew Shea was the one after two weeks. Two weeks, Mike? Man, it was a nurse. She was a nurse in school, but it was a nurse.

It was a nurse that lived in the back of her apartment. So the first time I went to her apartment. The nurse, the nurse was, she was shaped like that bottle. Damn. That's what I said. And when I pulled up, I pulled at the apartment. I said, damn, she lived in the same apartment. I just drove all the way back to the girl house.

told. I said, you know, I ain't going to be able to see you no more. I ain't going to be it. I said, I'd have met somebody if they stayed in front of your apartment. So you ain't going to see me no more. I ain't even going to count. So Shea would have lived in the same apartment. Yeah. And you so, you saw, you saw. I had been to the girl. You had been to the girl. But when I pull it up, I'm like, oh, shit. You saw Shea. Yeah, I'm like, damn, all in there's no, no, I met her in Daytona. Okay. I met her in Daytona. Yeah. Yeah. All her, yep, Black Spring Break. All her friends knew who I was. Yeah. And she was at the table eating, acting like she knew who I

was. So I was like, what's wrong with us? She's going to be the family of head of her head? I'm going to be. So I went up to a plate and I ate something off a plate and she cussed me out. But like I said, she speak Gitchie. I ain't understand what you're saying. I thought you were Jamaican or something. Yeah. But she said, man, she said I was rude and inconsiderate. I thought too much in myself and I'm like, whatever, shut up. And I pushed on, but I saw her some months later at a, at a event at Big Boys' house, where the old boom boom room was. And I saw her walk in. And she was with, man, shots out to her friends, her guy friends, who didn't hate shots out to them.

But she walked in and I was struck. I was knocked off my feet. She was, I mean, she had beautiful skin glowing. She had freckles. She had been born in natural redhead. I didn't know them, but her hair was just off-color. And she had a quirkiness about how she looked at him. I was just like, man, I got to talk to this guy.

I remembered her. But I was like, man, I got to talk to this girl. And she saw me and instantly remembered me and hated me and thought I was. arrogant and full of myself and um thought you didn't change at all but but but the p v of the station man was a was a true friend and that he encouraged to give me a shot you know what i mean and camouflaged god bless the dead had died and he was a common connector she was a friend to he and he was loosely related to me right and um she she told me she had no obituary for me and upon trying to get out of there because there was another girl in the party that had been with biblically and i

had to get out of that now because i was like if this girl sees me talking to her this girl's gonna hate. I was like, I can't have a hate. Like, I denied knowing this girl another 10 years. Because the girl had told she, oh, yeah, I know Mike. I was like, I don't know what in the hell she's talking about. For 10 years I held that lie. I'm like, nope, I do not know this woman. You know what I mean? Because I wanted my chances to stay alive with it. But when I was leaving, she spoke to me.

And I told, I said, man, you need to take me out to dinner. And, you know, she again, she thought I was arrogant and pulling myself. But I ended up taking her to dinner. But I thought she was just amazing. Wow. That's an unbelievable story. She's in the building of the girl that you see. And she lived in the back of the building. She lives in the front of the building.

You'll see Shee, you're like, yeah, I ain't going to be able to see you. I ain't going to be able to do it. I was just playing. We were having fun, but I was just like, this other girl, it was something about her. I don't know at the time she was a Gemini. My sister, when she first met her said, man, I didn't know if you was in love or just program because she acted so much like my grandmother in the way that she treats human beings and people. She was in nursing school.

She generally cared about people. Right. With that said, there was a certain amount of standoffishness about her. So I just wanted to know her more. And she didn't disappoint. It'd be two, three in the morning. And me and my partner's coming home with strokers, we coming in. She'd get up in the middle of the night, cooked shrimp and rice at two-faced.

You know what I mean? She was like an old lady and a young fine. She looked like she was supposed to be striven getting some tipped. But she acted like an old Southern woman. Right. And I just, I fell for it. And then when I realized how intelligent she was, I said, I can't let, I can't let these Atlanta Negro get this. They ain't going to know what to do this.

They ain't going to know what to do this. They're going to do it right. I would do it right. Yeah, and I can remember the moment she was like she was going to go waitress and jazzy tea. And I said, I went and thought, I had to go think. Like, you go, you're in the older spot. Yeah, yeah. You did your brookers and blue flag and jazzy tea.

Oh, man, magic city. Duke is magic. All of them. But we were supposed to go to, we used to go to, we used to take him to Jazz and have a good time and part in. And then she said, I'm going to go, I need some extra money. I'm going to go, you know, wait a minute. I just starting and thought, I was like, man, bam. You let that happen.

You know what so. I said it's going to go crazy. Because I had a girl in Jazzy Tees, too. I said, I said, this ain't going to, I was like, no, I got that little bill. Don't worry about that. Since you didn't have a traditional wedding, how much do you think someone should spend on a wedding? They say the average cost is somewhere between $30,000 and $50,000. So by the time the cake and the pictures and the DJ and you get the building,

how much do you think is a good amount? of money. Let's just say for the sake of argument, I don't know if you would do it the same way over again or you would go back or you'd have a traditional wedding. Maybe she would want a traditional wedding. Let's just say Mike had a quarter bill. Yeah. How much would you spend on a wedding? If she wanted a traditional wedding, she could have one, but I'll tell you, like, with shade the way her mind works, she'd go, she'd say, I'm going to take that money. I'm going to put 20% down on a property and develop something. So I would encourage young, African Americans in particular. You know, traditional wedding used to be in your mama's or grandma's or grandma. mom's backyard with a very nice dress so you would give something for the dress and a tuxedo or sorts or just a suit but you would put that money into investment in the heat of battle your squad relies on you don't let them down unlock elite gaming tech at lenovo dot com dominate every match with next level speed seamless streaming and performance that won't quit so you can push your gameplay beyond performance with intel core ultra processors for the next era of gaming upgrade to smooth with high-quality streaming with Intel Wi-Fi 6E

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So we would honestly, I would say before a traditional marriage, We probably would have invested in something. And that theory proves true because I remember getting a $60,000 publishing check or a royalty check for rap music and saying to Shay, you know, what are you going to do with it? And she was like, well, we should get a rental property. And it's the first thing that was the first rental property we bought. And we've grown our portfolio, you know, I could have afforded $150,000 dollars name and our Porsche.

She was like, no, we should buy these apartments. You've been saying you want apartments, we bought a set of apartments in the blood. So my wife, like an old country woman, has constantly defundated. our money into investments. So maybe when I'm 67 or something she'll want a traditional wedding and I give a one, like my big mama and big daddy in Tuskegee, we have wedding pictures in them and they're adults. They're grown. I was so funny seeing my big mom in that wig and that gold dress. I don't see my big daddy dressed up because I had only ever seen them in overalls. But when they could have done traditional wedding, they bought 40, they bought just

under 40 acres in Tuskegee, Alabama. We still own that land to this day. And both of their names is on that deed. It was not just my great-grandfathers, N. N.H. Blackman, too. for me and her, we probably would. You give us $35,000, $40,000. We're just going to go find another property to buy it in that scene. Wow. And I would encourage young people to do that. You said that you knew that that was your soulmate.

How different do you believe your life would have been had you not followed your instincts and say, that's my soulmate? Well, I think she's my twin flying. Like, you know, I think more than I think we're the same flame, just sparking different kind of coming in. I've had a lot of soulmates. Like, you know, my children's mothers were at the time. that they were in my life I needed them you know I need the encouragement they needed me I've never fallen off from doing my job in terms of co-parent and being there so I've had a lot of people my soul match with but there hadn't been anyone

that thought from the same place I thought from and moved in the same way that moved and they had the same core values of beliefs in the same way so how would my life have been different probably would have been more of an addict probably would have probably would have wasted more time chasing impulse and in compulsion of bullshit probably would have made a lot more money but squandered it. You know what I'm saying? So I'm glad that I married her because I married, like my grandfather did, a woman I can bring my check home to and the proper investment is going to get made. Now, the money I make on a weekend mind. You can't tell me what to do for a weekend

money. But all that money that comes and that singing to dance on stage, they get set to her and they get taken care. You are really an old soul because I was around my grandfather growing up and that's how he, but all the old men thought like that. They worked Monday through Friday, when they got that check on Friday, they come set that check on the table. Go do what you're going to do at that, Mary. I don't do what you're going to do. That's how, that's how they thought. Yeah, it's like Proverbs, what is it, Proverbs 31, and when they talks about the type of

woman you want to marry, a woman that's going to be a conserver, woman that's going to be saved, woman that's going to take her time to invest and do things for herself, but it's by the benefit. You want that, because you need a partner. You know what I'm saying? You have to have a partner. And, you know, for me, we have lost the art of partnership in our people. Not even in our actual, but in our opinion.

See, it used to be you want to break up with your girl, and it'd be like that scene in the good fellas. Your homie sitting around, you got to go home. I know you like your little sidepiece and everything. Y'all, y'all get back to that, but you got to go home. You know, no matter what happens. And I think that we've lost that philosophy, you know, in our community, and it's not good for us because you've got to go home.

You got to take care of home. I mean, and if you really got a good side of their home, I've seen as old men in the country, have two homes. You know, we mess around, but both of them homes be stable. Because one of them women or both of them women Two different side of the town But they're teaching him to stay in line And I think that we need to get back to that as men

Right Shee seems to allow You to be you Yeah How important is that In a marriage, in a relationship That because a lot of times you meet someone And you try to change the very person that you met

Yeah, yeah She met you, Killer Mike, how you are But she's allowed you to be that Yeah How important is that in a relationship in a marriage? That's a compromise. I trim back on some of my, you know what I mean, I have. But with that said, being allowed to be me is what's allowed us to prosper and grow.

And I appreciate that. And I encourage her to be her. I don't want her to simply be Michael Render or Killer Mike's wife. I want Shea Bigger. I want Shana Ford Render to be the biggest, best, most badass version of herself. When you see a project coming, like development properties, we do Techie Homes. We're partnering in a company called Techie Homes as building miniature neighborhoods for people. That man looked for me for five, six years, couldn't find me.

When he finally found me, he met my business partner and my life partner. He met She was the business part. She went out on the construction site. She walked the sites. She came back and said, hey, this is a good investment. So for me, it was important because I knew I married somebody who was my equal. If I'm the tight end, man, I want to know my old lineman doing their thing. And me and Shay try to work in tandem like that.

And so I've always attempted to live like that with women I've dated or been with. But it didn't work because they didn't probably have the proper understanding It didn't work because they didn't have a proper faith. I don't mean that from a bad perspective. My youngest daughter, Mikey, her bio-mama is like, hey, man, I'm into this working thing. The opportunity thing is too shaky. I don't know. You know, I need health care.

I didn't know how to five. And her and Shea have an amazing relationship that's benefited my daughter because Muff is going to go to work. Muff is going to take care of what Fulton County is taking care of. She's going to work on these developments. She's going to take some higher risk, but they both pour into my daughter. And that of my daughter is a freshman at half the university. Joe's rewards are pouring back. So her letting me be me allowed a big, mixed family.

You know, you come to our house on Thanksgiving, and literally everybody is there. The kids there, they mama's there, they mama's sisters and brothers there, you know, friends and family that may not have friends, family there, but everybody's welcome. And that's what I needed that,

because in order for me to be the type of Michael I am, a kid raised by his grandparents, raised in between parents, and we didn't say step-parents, but these bonus parents and all these cousins and stuff, you know, we were in Atlanta, but we lived like we was in the country. All ten of my nieces, all ten of my cousins, we were all on that living room floor together on palace.

Nobody wants to sleep next me because I peed in the bed. They all about the palace, though, by them. All the palace is the best thing going, man. If it wasn't, though, if it wasn't for me marrying her, I probably would have had a far more disruptive life. So I'm appreciative for her for having to trust in me that I could do it and encouraging me when I thought I could. All the places that you meant, strokers and blue flame, you had the teed, you go to Dugans. and she seems like, okay, you can do that. But you take her with you.

Yeah. If you got a wife and fines a stripper, you want the strip of the seal. And we get half off on our dancing on her with her. When I go to Manor City without Shane, man, man, my dance would be $10. For real, I'm just like me, you're talking to 10. Mike, you know, it's just a rule.

I get that with Shay. They'd be like, girl, don't worry about it. I ain't even worry about no dancing night. I just wanted to hang with you. I'd be like, you know? You ain't going to give me no break. I've been spending with you since my freshman year. Right.

But they like my wife. A lot of them thought she used to be a stripper. That was so funny dancer. But we respect the girls. We love the girls. We built cool relationships. We, a lot of those young women in there aren't just dancing. They own businesses.

Shade shopped with them a lot for their hair businesses, their clothing businesses. She's encouraged them to get real estate license. Shots out that girl Dee, who went on to get her, her nursing practitioner. I mean, she's a nurse. She was a practitioner when we met her. I think she's a full-on nurse. I was just, so you get to see these success stories, too. And I'm just, I'm damn proud that when I go to,

to the club, if I'm with my wife, I get a discount. Mike, how hard is it to remain monogamous when you're married? How hard is it remaining? I don't know. I ain't never tried. No, I'm just playing. Jay, don't throw anything on this shit.

Oh, man, it was this, it was this dancer, man. I was just, I was smitten by this dancer, but I knew I knew I wasn't supposed to be doing. I was doing my old lady didn't like this dancer. And this dancer. She liked my old lady, but it was a lusful way. My old lady wasn't interested. And I just had too much fun, man.

So I didn't have too much fun at the girl's spot at one time. And I got out of that, man. I got a call. Hey, man, maybe you should come back, man. We should run around too. I was like, well, I am trying to get some cardio in. I said, I was going to say, man. I got a call when I got in a dog and say, man,

you're going to bring your ass out of the girl house right now. I'm not going to kill both of y'all. I said, what? Man, get out of her. It's not playing, man. I ain't even over there. man, you just seen a truck. I looked out there.

My wife had my gun in that driveway point at me. I was like, damn, I was like Henry and the Goodfels. I woke up like, hey, I got in that truck, but I scoot on that. She said, ain't never seen a fair to everyone so fast in my life. Being monogamous got a lot easier after that. But what killed me is she drove straight to Monty Debra House. Monty Debra was the aunt that, you know, encouraged me to read.

My auntie Debra was my, she was, you know, into Zen and just peacefulness. Man, I walked in that man, my auntie said, man, I've never been so disappointing you in my life. Oh, man, I would rather got shot. Damn. I literally would have rather got shot. Because you had so much respect for Deborah, your auntie Debra. And to hear and to hear in her voice and to see her eyes, how disappointed she was.

After that, the rules changed. After that, I was just like, man, you know, I like you, but you just got a hollet hug. If you can convince her that we like each other enough, you know. you ain't no problem. Man, I love to do a twirling to win with you, man. I don't want to get shot and I don't want my Auntie Devin to feel like that again. So, you know, I would just say, let Taylor fit your marriage for you. I can't tell you what monogamy is the best thing for your marriage.

Because when I see some of my Muslim brothers that have three, four wives, all their kids, scholarship in the school. You know, a lot of my hominogamous, they've got to pay for private school and after college. So the dynamics of marriage are more than just who you land with, a monogamy and non-monogamy. How do I partner with this person? Because I know a lot of, I was, we visited, man, we have some dear friends.

They're both attorneys. Pete and Howard. They're amazing attorney. She was already an attorney. Her husband sold the janitorial of your business, went on becoming attorney. They did some of them black folks should be proud to brag about.

But they left me in the garage with the husbands one time. So we down in Tampa and EBO Cities there. They got a nice strip club there. So I'm like, no, let's go to the strip club. And the guys, you know, it turned into a, it turned into a slave plantation when you're saying Harriet coming.

Oh, no. I just don't know by that boss. And I was like, man, what's wrong with you? I was like, your wife don't go to the club. I gave it speech. I mean, this shit was, it was brave, heartworthy. I'm going to get to me and they're going out. The next day, Peachy and Shay get me in the kitchen, they say,

Mike, and Peachie, like a sister to me. She said, yeah. I said, yeah. She said, oh, the wives have a talk, and they don't really want you. And Shay comes in and says, stop talking. Stop talking. Shut up. I said, what you're talking about?

She said, stop talking. to wives' husbands. Because you get them some idea that they can live like us and they can't live like us. They don't have the same type of marriage we do. You're out here messing up marriages. And I was like, oh, my God,

I didn't told slavery there's freedom on the other side. So what I realize is Shea and I have a non-traditional marriage in that I have the ability to speak my mind. Even if I can't act on every impulse and thought, I can say to my wife,

man, I find that girl attracted. I can, she'll nudge me on the horse. Like, man, look at the ass. on that one. So I have a best friend-like relationship in that way with it. You mentioned something earlier just a few minutes ago. You said your kid's mother and Shay have a great relationship. Yeah. How important was that for you to make sure your kid's mother had a relationship with your now wife? Because a lot of times it's not like that because they feel some type of way that you would hurt and not with them. Yeah. She's getting

benefits that they were in time. She ain't got no, well, I don't know if you had kids at the time, but she ain't, she ain't went through what she is. She got us as a package deal. She got a five for one. You know, with us, we came to the package deal with, you know what I mean? So she was like, I remember one of our first date. She was going to buy clothes a pony boy. You know, pony is the one who had the kidney transplant. He's named Trade School. Shots out of the pony.

I talked to my guy this morning. So it's three mothers. It was four children. Right. You know, with the oldest boy's mother, it's pretty cool. She was pretty comfortable. The second two, she was a little wilder. We were from the same neighborhood.

So it took them a minute to get acclimated to each other. But they did, and they have a lot of love and reverence for one another. Like, she's the one out of Carl Shea now, like, if he feels like being a monaunner none monogamous, we're going to whoop a whole ass. Like, she's that type, but I'm just like, I like fat head, please, let's not do. Let's not whoop no whole's asses today. And the youngest was Michael, her mother's Anna,

and Anna is amazing. My grandfather used to plead with my father, biofather, Big Mike, and my mother, Drusella, Denise. He used to say, get his sisters together. He has two sisters by you and three sisters by you, which means this boy has five sisters. No half sisters, no step sisters. He has five sisters.

And my parents were so young and impassioned that a lot of times they didn't do right in terms of taking that advice. Now that my sisters are adults, they know one another, they talk, they congregate and they all love their brother and their brother all love them. And I wanted my children to have that faster. My children

have me on a text chain, and they got a whole other text chain without me about me. Because even if you don't have the same by your mother and father, biologically, y'all are 50%. Y'all are 50% me. That means y'all belong to one another. And I need you guys, I need to know that one day when I die, that

Those four people that's going to cry are connected beyond me. And I have accomplished that. And that is my greatest accomplishment. You know, besides finding a woman that would be steadfast in that philosophy with me, my greatest accomplishment had been in birthing these four individuals and having these four individuals grow up to be a human being. When I go in a room and say their name, people speaking in high esteem and away from me, they keep the same integrity for my family that we've developed over the past 50, 60, 100, 80 years,

however many years we've been doing it. And they love one another beyond me, you know. That's awesome. You're in business with your wife. A lot of people are like, man, you know, hey, keep wife, wife. Yeah. But business, keep that over here. Yeah.

Because she knows everything. So it's not like you can hide something because she knows she's reading all the documentation also. She knows where all the money is. She knows the safe deposit box. She knows the shoe box, the back is and all that. How, what led you to do? Like, you know what, Shay, everything. I'm an open book.

Yeah. There it is. I mean, that's what I saw. You know, with Danny and Willie. That's what I saw. Now, again, what the money Willie made on the weekend, that was his money. Whatever he made, playing,

drive the dump show on the weekend, but the money from Chattahoochee Brick, that was the bedding and Willie collected fund to raise Michael, Levin, and Lechamda. You know what I mean? So, you know, it's one or two things. Like, I got a bill and I bought.

I didn't tell her about it, but she were pissed about it. But I knew I wanted to build it, and I wanted to see if I could do it myself. You know what I mean? And I went and I went and got great terms on the loan, got great, and it's paid off already. You know, I knew I was going to get it out quick. but I had to see if I could do it myself

because of what I had learned just in proxy to her. As she learned, she teaches. What she learned about development, she taught me. I'm running around trying to learn lyrics and learn lines, but she makes sure I understand.

You know, shout out my man, Booker T, owner of Tech and Holmes and somebody who's been a part of wisdom on us. Shouts out, you know, to my man, Patrick, who's giving wisdom to us. Shout out to John Hope Brian who's giving wisdom. Jamie Gertz, who's giving wisdom.

Tony Restor, owner of Hawks, who's giving wisdom, she takes that information. We take that information and we aggregated. We get it, figured out what's going to work best for Mike and Shay. So having a partner, and me, I told him that, if you ever want to leave me for another nigga, just tell him to get introduced to his brotherhoods. Because you're not getting rid of me.

Like, I'm here. I'm here to the end. Yeah, we're a package of you. What are we getting her for her birthday, brotherhood? You know what I'm saying? I don't, because, so I'm just, I'm locked in with him like that. And I trust to implicitly, I would, I got, I woke up exhausted and dehydrated in a hospital.

I had blicked out and didn't even know what was wrong. I woke up and there she was. And I went to sleep and I woke up and there she was. And I went to sleep and I woke up and there she was. She wouldn't leave my side at the hospital. She wouldn't leave. My dad come up. I got to watch him.

No, I'm straight. She didn't leave till I left. I remember we left. She was smoking a joint playing Keynes of Leon. You know what I mean? And I just, I appreciate it for that. And I understood the death of what my grandparents had with that. You know, every time Willie Burke went fishing, he can't come back with no fish.

But he came back with the same love and adoration for bedded. And that's what I saw. So that's what I emulate, you know, and I have a partner. I don't just have a wife. What happens when she wants to do a property? You don't agree. You want to do a property? She doesn't agree.

Yeah. How do you resolve disagreement? We just, we talk, we argue. I mean, we have disagreements that lasted months. We had philosophies where we still stand on a different side. You know, for me, man, you know, I practiced this long for a few years. I was like, you know, I can technically have four wives. She's like, nigga, I'm going to move in my house.

I hope you're in the holes be okay. You know what I think? So. Shabody. Shabody for real. But I don't have to hide the fact that from a philosophical standpoint, I do think you can have more than one wife. But that's a much more freeing relationship than one way I got to sit in. garage and not go to the strip club in any boy city you know what I'm saying so for for me I found

a partner in that I can openly communicate agree and disagree with and um and she came with me so there's certain things my wife told me man she said I want to get a bed and breakfast and I was younger my career had a little more money at that time and I was arrogant I'm just like we fuck want a bed and breath I stay in marriots you know talking talking like pimpsey to myself in the mirror and what exploded right after that bed and breakfast is right in savannah joy and I not And I came back and told her, I said, I'm sorry. I said I was wrong. So when she came back to me and said, I found an industrial building and Savannah,

they're about to build a new police station, smother stuff over there. I didn't question it. I just signed off on the paperwork, you know, and that property is worth, I would say, seven to eight times what it was when we bought it. And I remember going to the property. We bought it from a black woman. A black woman walked in the room and realized it was a young black couple buying it for her, and she burst into tears crying.

Because she said, I had bought this with my husband, and I wanted the leg. to be people who look like us to happen. So I tend to trust that God has favor and grace on us. And if we will give ourselves the grace to get through the communication, that we'll reach some type of understanding. And understanding doesn't always mean agreement. But I trust her because I've seen her as a businesswoman. That same property I tell people about that I bought,

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You see Alonzo, Morning. Yeah, yeah, I did an amazing job. T. T.I. knew affordable housing was a big thing in Atlanta, so he built 140-some-oddunits right at the old Kmart. He bought the OKmart and developed those. So we talked about it. all. We knew that, you know, coming, I look at, man, my heroes were people like the working men that worked at the Longshoremen in Savannah. The working men that worked at Chattahoo

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From late winter soccer to Tampa, Clearwater, St. Pete. We got to go all these places because my grandfather made a sound investment. My grandfather, you know, they had a little stock option here that penned stocks. He would buy stuff for us. my grandmother was an investor. You know, she was a grow your own fooder. You don't have to get everything from the store. So when me and She have an idea, she usually is a better research than me.

I do things off good instinct. You know, it's like, I remember buying my first barbershop. We were recording rap music, and we were living in Brooklyn at the time. We were living in Williamsburg, record music. I saw a barbershop on Craigslist. I just bought it. And she was like, I told her, she ain't taught me for two weeks. And I was like, what?

She was like, you could have just, they damn lease on it, but we could have just, when they got the lease. I said, shit. I ain't never think of it like that. And she was like, well, you need to think and we need to talk about before we make major moves with money. I didn't make another major move with money for another probably 15, 16

years, you know, because I understood that the importance of having my partner. You know, you get Warren Buffett, but a lot of people don't know who Charlie Munger is. You know, you don't get Dr. King without having Coretha Scott. You need a partner. You need a partner. So for me, I needed someone who thought practically,

who was instinctively conservative with a dollar. And the universe gave me that and her. What she needed was a dreamer, a believer, and someone who wasn't afraid to think is big as she is. Because, you know, owning one, two, three, 10, 20 rental properties is the one thing. But when you get into development and she stepped into development, Bankhead Seafood is a restaurant that T.I. and I bought from a lady name is Helen Hart. It was a hole in the wall. Great five fish, great shrimp, and the world's best hush puffy. When we reopened that business, it opened as a sit-down restaurant. We've had some repairs done

like now, we're reopening in a matter of weeks, which I'm very proud about. But if it wasn't for Shea and Crystal Peterson thinking big, it wouldn't have been developed like that. But she only could think that big, because she's up at night watching YouTube, reading literature, learning. She's being mentored by people like Booker T, by people like John Hope Bryant. She is in a constant state of learning. And that's what I trust. More than just, okay, I know she did it a couple times if she had a real estate license or was trying to get it. I trust the fact that she's researched with me. I trust my gut. And I like a good story. When you look at the swag shop, which I brought for you today, because your hell always on point.

So we got, man, we got shampoos. We got, well, you're going to love this bump killer. You get razor bumps. We got a shaving cream for those brothers that still put razors to their face. Oh, I'm going to put Ray. So this is, you're going to love this shaving cream. We spent two and a half years developing this, and we got your beard oil. So we got, we got this, but what I learned by watching my wife is research it.

I could have went and bought some white label stuff. that was made for white folks that wasn't for our skinned. But what I went and did was I went and developed formulas specifically for us. So when I get out the car and I see a Floyds barbershop

across the street, I know that the swag, wash, and groom shop is going to be comparable to a Floyd's one day because I think that there's a cool that black barbershops offer. And it was for me

just about marrying a business model with that cool. We figured that out with the first barbershop in the State Farm Arena. You can get a haircut, have the same view as the suites, watch the game.

But then I say, man, well, I can't grow the company as fast as I like to grow it. COVID happening. I was supposed to expand about 10 stores by now. I said, so in light of that, what can I do? Talk to Tony wrestling. Tony said, you know, Mike, you could. Go ahead and start rolling out your product. You don't have to wait.

So I appreciate Tony for that advice because they put me on a two and a half year campaign to develop and research our own. We've developed and research our own. We've got some of the best products on the market now. They're going to be rolling out. And it's only because I've learned good research habits from our way. What are some of the keys to run a successful business? Oh man, I haven't been successful in all of them

So learn your lessons And from your failure Because for some dubs, you got to take some als Y'all man, you're going to take some L's man And you're going to take them Like we took some LL's and Manker C-Food We were too top of every on salary at first So rather than keep going and keep chugging along

We said stop We put a freeze on it We said we got some infrastructure things We need to fix some pipe 1 late Let's fix that Let's put a freeze on Let's put a freeze on spending money Let's read

Let's re-configurate how we do business And when we reopen We'll be a much more streamlined business it's much more effective, but it took me and tip not having ego. Our egos had to be put to the side, and me and my friend had to come to the table and talk and say, well, how are we going to fix this? And I've been to a couple other restaurants, and this is what I thought. With this, the first time I thought about doing it, I just thought about white labeling.

The first time I got some product back, I'm saying this isn't good product. Let me develop my own thing. So you're going to have to be willing to eat some losses before you get a win, and you're going to have to learn from them. And then I've been reading Charlie Munger, man, his quotes, his books and things that nature. And Charlie has a real good thing You're saying big part of success It's just to keep yourself from doing stupid things

Like you know sometimes, man This ain't a win in play So why run it? Don't run the play if it's not a winner Try to avoid the stupidity that's already in you And that way, even if your intelligence don't save you Your none stupidness will So I've tried to do a good job

And growing up in business And learning from my mistakes early You got to know when to cut the rope early You know what I mean When there's too much weight to let it go And you've got to do things you're naturally passionate about Elle loves Metzcal, my rap partner. So when it came time to develop an alcohol, I'm not much of an alcohol drink.

I like marijuana. I leaned on his expertise of Mascat. I leaned on what he thought. And then when it came time to will a layman like this, well, just every average day person, when it came time for me to taste, and I'm like, oh, I like this. We understood that together, we had put together something. You got a marijuana line coming out? I did, and I didn't like it.

I didn't hate it, but I didn't like the marijuana business from a corporate structure. I believe marijuana should be rammed by the people who put their time in federal prison. I believe marijuana should be ran by the people who grow on the top of the mountains of Jamaica. I believe marijuana should be ran by the people who were outlaws 20 years ago. I don't think marijuana should be ran in a corporate way. I don't think marijuana should have to sit in a warehouse two, three months before it hits the public. So I'm not a big fan of that business in the same way I was. I'm a bigger fan of like, where we're from, people make their own cone liquor. I like corn liquor than I like buying the car out of store sometimes.

You mentioned bankhead seafood. It's a staple. Yeah. And I remember hearing that it was potentially going out of business, and I remember you and Tip. Yeah. Like, I was like, damn. It's almost like you and Tip like, man, this is a staple. We can't let this thing go. That's how we felt. Like, I don't know if we'll ever have 100 manhead seepools.

I don't know. But what I know is that one, that we dedicated ourselves to for anybody who ever said disparage and remark. Don't you worry, buddy. We'll be back on your ass and open in a few weeks, and you come on out, eat with us and talk all that shit. But we're going to eat these hush puppies and laugh at you because we have. We have a mission. Right. We're the same little Napa Head boys that sold dope up and down that street.

We're the same little Napa Head boys that played for the parks around the corner. We're the same little boys that went to Frederick Douglass School under Dr. Samuel Hill and he believed in us. We're the same little boys that William Murray, you know, my art teacher who told us to be a business man. We're the same little boys he's still proud of. So I feel indebted to my community, in those children and community that are writing their story, the organization called Paul Kids, that helps kids after school get their reading in and have clean clothes the supplies they need. I feel indebted to my community, whether it's Car Your Heights

and Grove Parks or the old-born homes, to show them an example of you can, you know, to show them that you can, you must, you will. And the biggest way we can do that is by keeping that restaurant and those recipes alive. We got better seed now. You got a rooftop. You can smoke your, smoke your cigars on the rooftop if we want to and look out at Bankhead. So you expanded it. Yes, yes, we did. That's what I say, Shade develop it. We tore down the old building and we had to keep one legacy wall. It is now full sit-down restaurant on the inside, and we have a rooftop in which you can see the sun set every day. Wow.

It's an absolutely gorgeous building, and I'm very proud of Shane Crystal for putting it together. We've now brought on a woman named Sharmica, who has ran four, five, nine restaurants and clubs. She helped us understand what we were doing wrong and getting it right. Rest in peace to OG Mike, who had helped Tilt with Traff City. He just died, but he gave us some valuable advice. Brother Waleed, whose family started the Fish Supreme Franchise down there,

and his dad was a part of the Olympics in terms of feeding. Feeding the Olympians in 96, we've had a lot of good people around us to help us and I sincerely appreciate it. And I just know, I know we're going to be successful because we're not no quitter. You know what? I was wondering, how difficult is it, and maybe it's not as difficult as it would appear to like to take advice? You're like, because a lot of times you're like, man, bro, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know what I did wrong.

I know what I'm doing. Bro. How difficult is it, like you said, you and Tip swallowed your ego? But how difficult is that, Mike? Because you've had success in other areas. Yeah. And so when somebody tries to tell you something, you're like, well, you're not successful. So why am I going to listen to you?

Yeah, yeah. I'd have had that. Listen, man, it's hard. It's hard, it's hard, not to get in your own way. And even if you feel like you know, listening don't cost you nothing. Right. Listen. But not listening might cost you everything.

You know what I'm saying? But listening don't cost you nothing. I can listen. You know, I've had better advice on not becoming an addict by addicts than I have by people who've been done. One addicts. This is what I'm saying, I've had better advice from addicts on how not to become an addict than I've had for non-adicts because addicts understand addiction. They can see it in your early.

You know, fat boy, your ego getting too big, you liking that too much. You're going to mess around. You're going to lose everything at the crib because you're hanging in the club too much. You know, you have to take advice. I remember, you know, I remember my grandfather would say, you know, the world going to learn your boy. And man, when you hear that, you're like, oh, my God. He's tired of talking to me.

When your grandparents say, you're going to say, hey, man, the world can learn you. Or the world can learn you better than I can. That means I pour out. The world's going to teach. Hey, they're really better than I can. And they didn't say teach. They said learn.

Because you're going to learn the lesson. You're going to learn that lesson. When you're sitting there on your ass, broke is a joke. You can't call. You ain't got nobody to call because ain't nobody going to answer that phone and speak. Man, you know, man, oh, man, the world unlearned sign. I get it now. So for me, it's my ego oftentimes wants to jump up because I like to argue.

love about your argument. But I'm going to go sit by myself and I'm going to think through what you're saying because I appreciate you even care enough to impart any wisdom. You know, even if your wisdom is doubt. You know, I can accept it because like I told him, I say, when we come back now, I said, I've saved all the messages what people say, this is where we mess up, this is where we go. I say now I'm going to let them know this is what we fix. Now I expect to see your ass and he'll buy him some fish. Don't give me no advice. Don't come by no fish, no hush. Yeah, we're trying to be the new care of here. Right. We're trying to play. Okay. You nobody can. Yeah.

That fried, hey, that fried chicken, ooh, Lord. Finance, Lois, how did Shea help you when you're at your absolute lowest? And really the only person you could turn to was probably her. Yeah, man, it's so, you know, she was talking to one of my ex-girls from high school. We had lived together, and she said,

she had told She said, I remember time, well, you know, I thought we couldn't pay rent. I thought we was on my ass, bro. She said, Mike started laughing and walked through the closet and pulled out a few things. And say, girl, we never broke. I'm always, I'm going to always be a saver. So even from my time from running around in the streets, you know, trying to be a half-ass drug deal and shit, my mother taught me, Denise taught me the importance of conserving, of having something and tuck and then hide.

You know, my son to fall back on. You got to. So instinctively, I'm like that. But with that said, there can be times where as a man you allow yourself to be stretched too thin. All four your kids need something at one time. You know, with my businesses, I like. old costs too much, so I tend to buy too many old costs. And with that business, with certain businesses I put so much passion into, that passion oftentimes will lead to a cash deficit.

That's why I empathize and sympathize when people be saying, hey, man, you know, I get dame. You know, I shit. Sometimes you can pour so much your own money into it. It's, if bosses be broke, you know, it can get like that. But to have a woman that you have invested in and it has made the proper investments with your investment, when I bought her, her grandmother's house that she grew up in, she didn't just take that house and try to flip the house, she put the house together, put that house up as a house for rent. So at the end of the year, no matter what happened, she knows she had these many thousands of dollars off that rent. When I bought a house off one of my comedian homeboys and he taught me about pad split and we

started using pad split, I don't ask her about that money. I just know, man, it's been times I've been tight and I needed 50, 60, 70,000 dollars. And she said, well, shit, I got it. I'm just like, well, you get it. You got another husband. And she said, no, nigga, you bought me them two houses. And this is this what I saved off this. Just make sure you pay me back. And I get out of just sing and dance. And after the show, she called the couch and said, and I send me my money back. Mike, what's the broke as you've ever been?

Man, I've been so broke. I laid in the room for two years depressed. And I had got a truck. And it got repoed. And it was under Mikey's mom's name. And it broke my heart because it was under somebody else's name. And I could have did it under my name. I only spent a few hundred dollars more.

and it just would affect me, but it would affect her. I felt so guilty by that. Yeah, it made a mess up her credit. How you were doing that? How are you going to put the truck in some of your kids' name? You know, you mess people? Doing that dope boy shit. Dumb.

But I tell you this, when I got my, when I got back on my feet, she ain't paid a call note sent. You know what I'm saying? And I deeply appreciate her for being patient with me. But the brokers I have a been, man, was, you know, I, man, I remember paying child support and didn't get a child support order the next week. I literally paid nine hundred.

on the busdie in the next week. You're going to hit you with the child's portal all that way. You can't know? And I all, but, but I, but I, for two years I was on my ass. And if it hadn't been for the encouragement for shape, it hadn't been from people like TD booking me on the Chitlin circuit. If it hadn't been for, for me getting with SMC records at the time. And my manager was currently working with him at the time.

Now you should, my manager works for me. If it hadn't been for all these people believing in me, gut master DJ Swift, Outcast DJ, giving me a price to record at a discounted rate, I wouldn't have been able to do I pledge in allegiance. to the grind is a series. That was meant I pledge allegiance

that the grind meant getting rich independently. And I had to do that. I had to understand the record business from the trunk up, from digging out my trunk, having fat beats hit me and say, this is how many

you sold this month? Because that way I put a value on money that I didn't have before. You know what I mean? So the brokers I ever been and I didn't have transportation and I was famous. The brokers I ever been

is I couldn't afford a $5 a dance in his flame. Girls that gave me dance on charity and said it's going to be all right, You know. You don't spend enough of you. You're good for you. Yeah, exactly.

We got your big dog. You got some grace today. You tried to file bankruptcy. You were too broke to file bankruptcy? Yeah, I was. You know, the bankers was a cap, though. I did that to piss my baby, my mom. Yeah, yeah.

I was like, helpful. You know what I mean? I gave this money. You're going to hit me with the order. But her mama was afraid that I was going to be a typical guy. So her mama pressed her doing something, and I got pissed because I went. And the lawyer was a white boy. Her lawyer, and he had a, he brought a black guy.

He brought a black intern in with him. And I said, you know, and, you know, flack were better. I said, that cracker trying to shame me. And I really was offended by it. So then I went to my white woman lawyer. I said, we filed a bank robes. Scared the shit out there.

Didn't they call it off? We sat down and we talked and we figured it out. Because I love my kids. I'm not going to have my kids go without them. You don't want them being hardship. But let's work. Let's talk this thing out. And we did.

And I have a wonderful relationship with her. I have a run relationship with all three of them. But, you know, it was just like, man, when you're on your ass, sometimes you just got the middle on your ass. Because people are going to see you and still think you're doing good. You know what I mean? But the, the Air Force Warren wasn't clean. I'll just clean them every night like a day and I was a little boy.

You know what I mean? They weren't going to do it. They weren't doing. You know what I'm saying? Same one, baby, you know what I mean? But I, but I appreciate the grace that they gave me. Because after we, after we got past that rough moment and sat down and talked it out, we got to sort it out. But that's the thing, though, Mike, you go back and you look back, you're like, man,

there's a lot of things that we could have done differently. We could have just talked. Instead of reacting, you reacted, I reacted. We're young. I'm high-strung, you high-strung. I'm not going to let you one-up me. You're not going to let you want to let you one-up me. And we find ourselves in a spot where we could have just sat down and talk.

And we could have saved because ain't nobody really get rich. But the lawyers, but the lawyers got paid. The lawyers got paid. That was it. The lawyers got paid, man. Man, I don't pay, hey. He doesn't pay a partner. Boy, they got his own firm.

Come on, man. That's all. But I appreciate. understanding and learning that way. I often tell my kids, when I try to impart something on you and my niece and nephews, I'm imparting on you from a place of where I have failed. I don't think you're going to fail.

I'm just telling you where I failed. And I don't want to see, I've seen further down the road because I've made that mistake. I don't have been further down the road. That's all. That's all. And where E40 said, I've been your age. You've never been mine.

Hey, well, that's an old four way. And you put the guard rails up where there could potentially be a problem. I put guard rails up there so you won't have. have those problems. Just listen. Like people intentionally, they get this wrong. God bless the black bourgeoisie. I went to Morehouse, the craziest black college for men in the world. I understand

the concept of the Jackson Gilles, and I get what higher education will do for us. But don't forget Tuskegee University was built with the hands of the students who went there. The students who went on to become doctor, lawyers, engineers, made the bricks that formed the bill. I just spoke at Tuskegee a few weeks ago, and I got a chance

to see the bricks and see the thumbprints in them. And I want to remind people that you know, our young men, if they aren't going to go to college, they need to be going to seek trades. So I said something publicly. I said, if a young man, you know, between, say, let's age is 14, 24, is to get a girl pregnant. That girl's going to receive weak or some type of government underwriting the funding. I said, let's make it so that the boys don't owe that first two years back. Now, people try to make it like interpret it, like, you want to take girls, you know, the government assistance. They get them like, no dummy. I would like to add. I would

like to say if the girls are going to get this government assistant, let's require it that the boys have to go to some type of trade schools too. So within that 18 to 24 months, while she's being assisted by government and this child is being allowed to be nurtured in terms of food, clothing shelter, let's make it so that these little boys have a place to go get educated because what we need is educated fathers along with these educated mothers. Our girls are going to school. That post-high school, they're going to school. I don't care if this to be a nurse tent or to be a full-on doctor. They're going to school. Our girls still understand the power education. We need to make so the United States government to underwrite our boys, that first

whether it's been 18 months or 24 months, you got to go get a trade, young man. And if you get this trade, then we're not going to charge you back to them two years that first two years. Because they're going to get their money now. They're going to get their money. But if you got, you know, my friend and I remember he got his passport, he could have went through the roof. But that was after years of being a dad and having to go through the court system and not being allowed to travel. So I want to see us as a people, whether you're married or not. I like it. So if you get married and you get a trade, you get a bonus. You get a lower interest loan on wherever you want a house.

But I think that as black people, we're going to have to sit down with one another outside of government and government resources, and we're going to have to come up with some new terms and conditions for what to do. Once these babies get pregnant, because it's both pregnant, the boy and the girl, these families are going to have to start getting together and say, well, what's the plan for them so that we don't do it again with the next generation and we get to stabilize because had it not been for my grandparents, had not been for your grandparents, we wouldn't have an opportunity to create what people, you know, to catch

a word generational wealth, which is really just the ability to take care of yourself, post my party. When I get out of here, I want to make sure you can take care of yourself and the kids that are coming out. Wow. You spend 500,000 of your own money on your Grammy award-winning album. Yeah. And She wasn't too happy by that. No. She had a quarter million dollars she didn't say, me saying, what the fuck? She was like, what do you keep taking this big money out for? And I was like, man, I got a dream. I gave it. I got a dream. If you was Dr. King, you have a dream about it. She was like, a quarter million dollars?

I was like, yeah, man. And we're going to have to probably spend a little more because Deon, no ID lives in L.A., so we're going to have to go out there. So, yeah, man, we, we, we, we, I did. And I was proud to have done it, but had I known what I know now, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have spent that much money.

I would, I would, you know, shots out to Cubs, like your A&R, shots out to Will, my manager and business partner. I wouldn't have been so free with it, but I needed to do it because the gamble paid off. I walked away with three Grammys, walked away, walked out of getting locked up after Grammys, walked out a folk hero while I walked in a musician. So it's paid off, you know, and then when it came around this time, the record was calling me, said, hey, we got some money to give you to record another record.

We don't even want you to spend your money. We got some money for you. You're like, okay. So it was dad and pluff. So I was like, okay, I got you. This is really a partnership. But I'll tell you a time that I understood how important her mind was to me. And that was when my attorney, and not my attorney, my account called me and say, hey, man, I don't know if Shay's getting ready to divorce you are.

But I mean, she's taking out like 80 grand. And I'm just like, 80 grand, I mean, but she's done it several times. And I'm like, and he's a small, like, he's a small Jewish guy, man. And he gets a little nervous and antsy. like Robert, it was just calm down, man. I said, I'll talk, I'll see what it's about. And she said, that guy he talked to goddamn much. I was trying to surprise you.

I've been developing these houses, and she had developed a few of our properties that were then on the market of course for rent. And he was a, he was a for a while for a few days around there. But you appreciate it because he was like, hey, hey, she. But I knew that I knew that she wasn't a squanderer.

Now, she could spend three hours in everything the same store. Right. And by that buy that shit out. So, you know, we land in London. She's going to the mall. We land in L.A., she's going through the mall. But she is a woman that is constantly thinking of ways to invests to turn a dollar, and I appreciate that about it.

So I've trusted her, and I appreciate her for trusting me in terms of Michael, because Michael really was a gamble. Spending a half a million dollars in your own money is not what you should be doing. You know what I mean? So what did you learn from that? I learned that once you prove to the record company that I'm willing to do it myself and I can do it, they're a lot more free flowing on the other side with the budget. because they know you've already took the gamble

and invested in yourself. They know how much your investment based on the prior investment. They know how much a return they can expect on this investment. So they're going to not only invest in you, they're going to invest in you and bump you up some

because they want to further the investment. They want you to grow. You've got a lot of criticism because you beat some heavy hitters that night. Yeah. You got a lot of criticism. Like, ah, man, that's every record,

what that did they weren't better than this. Shots out the Travis. Shouts out the Knobb. Shots out the Metro. Yeah. I don't lost up to you know that's it that's it you know that said they put Travis in a position when they tried to get him to diss me he came with some light balls it was cute you know I appreciated it that shit was funny but this the same kid that I had saw it South by Southwest and I remember telling sway like don't try to push him to be no freestyle artists on it this kid's just good he's entertaining I like I take take my kids to see him he's entertaining the shit I like the comic book like like um imagery he has I I like him a lot. But, you know, with that said, like, I'm a, I'm a M.C.

Right. Like, I'm not here to play with you. You're going to talk with you. I'm sure there's a lot of people you love in the league. But when Denver played them, when Baltimore played them, hey, man, I'm here to win. So that, yeah, I tell you, if you were, if you were a Travis Scott fan and one of the ones that have disparaging me, I don't give a damn, nigga. I, I walk down. I still, I don't get him grab him, I wake up every day, you know, you're going to do.

You know, I mean, nigger can't out rap me. That's just, and that's just what it is. Like, but that's not to. say I'm not entertained, I don't like him. That's just to say when the game is on, I'm not to win. I don't care how old I'm on how many grades I got. This is all I ever wanted to do. So I'm not going to feel bad about being a winner because I put $500

grand of my own money into it. I've given my life since I was nine years old to this. You know, I've given 40 years of my life, over 40 years of my life to this. So I can't feel bad about when you get it. Because when you ask God for something, be prepared for everything that comes with it. Right. When you ask God, God, I want to be a winner. You know next year they're going to come for you harder.

When you win a Super Bowl, boy, the hardest thing to overcome, I would imagine, is laziness. Yes. Because, man, I don't want to win. I want to chill. I don't want to do like Jerry Rice and run them heels. I don't want to be like Shannon and get out there and condition myself. Yeah. So my thing is, with everything I asked for to come with the win, I got. And with that, I accept it all, and I appreciate it.

So when I get back in the studio and work my ass off for the next 120 days, when I come out on the other side, I'm coming back to whoop ass again. I don't give a shit who's in the category. Do you are I think Kai had said something on the stream You ever talked to Kai? I have not talked to Kai. I think we may have passed each other in a wrestling event

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I think it's Time Magazine cover. Congratulations, Kyle. Yeah, you're going to unbelievable. Yeah. I'm cheering for all you niggas. Even you little niggas don't like me. I'm cheering for you niggas. Because I don't want you in fools and counting.

Begging nobody for nothing. Being nobody girlfriend. You know what I mean? So, you know, I don't give a shit. Oh, I don't give a damn how you feel. Because I got mine. Right. The old people, you say something to say out, I got mine.

you got to get your You got to get it. Yeah, so I'm good Everything I've ever wanted I got. I got a wife shape like a strip I got off fast muscle cars I got some German cars in there My house paid for

My warehouses and buildings paid for I can sit back Take a monk off and live off the rent that I charge people I am rich I'm as I ever been I'm fine I'm not JZ rich

Not billionaire rich But boy for an old country boy Oh man You got more than you ever thought you have Oh boy everything But you don't know The only thing I'm missing there Is a couple hundred acres

somewhere in West Georgia, my own lake, and the compound for my sisters to live on with me. And that's soon coming. So y'all, no matter what to say about me, what you try to do or throw at me, I don't kill a damn. It doesn't matter to me. I'm good. The barbs were mad at you, not Nikki, but the barbs, which is Nicky Fand-

I love, I love Nikki, too. She might... Why would they, I mean, it's not... I didn't even know they were mad because my daughter's a bar, so she protected me. I think she was my advocacy, my advocate on clubhouse or whatever for that. But I want to say, man, I think it's a a bit of an insult to call her one of the best female emcees.

Mickey is just one of the best emcees in the world. Right. Just shots out to Nick. I love you to Dell girl. You're absolutely amazing. But that night, this is the highest you've ever been musically. Yeah. And something happened.

Yeah. Walk us through, because you're like, you're in the age, we're in the house, you're at the Grammy. You nominated for all these awards. You don't know. And when your people's like, hey, I'm just glad I'm nominated. I don't care if I win or not. That's a lot.

Good job. Good job. You nominated you won't win. You want to win, man. That's like I'm playing the game. Well, I'm just at the Super Bowl. If I don't win, I'm okay, no, bro. I'm trying to win this game.

Because I don't know if and when I'll ever get back. Absolutely. You're so high. And then that unfortunate incident happened. Can you walk us through that night? I mean, we were told to go places by different people, but we didn't have one person just to walk us through. I think now that they do it differently now.

But we kind of got dropped off at a ticketing place. We showed our tickets. We went through. It was alleged that somebody with me didn't have a ticket, but we were ticketed. My publicist was walking me to the red carpet. It was raining outside, so we were trying to walk it through. We were told we couldn't go. We didn't understand what was happening.

The next thing you know, we were being told that we were going to be detained. We were detained. And I'm headed to jail. By the time they get me, I'm in the holding cell. Now, my wife had wanted, she had wanted to bring the kids out. I was like, no, for whatever reason, I don't want to bring the kids out. Wow. What I didn't know is the next day my son.

son would receive an emergency kidney out of nowhere. He has a rare blood type. So out of no, it was very, he had been bumped up on the kidney donor list, but we didn't know he had one coming. So I was glad. God has a plan. And God can remain anonymous through what seems to be a series of unfortunate events. So I'm sitting there in the holding cell.

And I'm like, man, ain't this some bullshit. And the people who love me, because the cops were kind enough to let me keep my phone, were hid me with encouragement, people like my mayor, Dickens. down in Atlanta, former mayor, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Cassine Reed, were hitting Mayor Karen Bass out in LA. There's a policeman on night duty. I forget his name, Mayberry or something. He's telling them to bring him on in. By the time they got me brought in, they had received 1,500 phone calls, like, on some mouth-knit shit.

Like, they're about to do a protest on your police station. Like, these people are coming out here for Mike. I don't think you guys know who you arrested. They had to move me to another detainment center. It scared them so. But as I'm sitting there kind of by myself, I just start thanking God. And I just say, man, you know, I appreciate you, put me in this place of peace and quiet because everything is so wild and disturbing.

I knew I could win, but I didn't know I was going to sweep. So thank you, Lord. I knew I could get back to this mountaintop, but I didn't know it was going to be on this album. Thank you, Lord. I just started being thankful. I was like Daniel and Linesden and I was like Jonah in the belly of the well because I felt like it was something that God needed me to understand in that moment to make me not get too arrogant, not too full of myself,

you know, not to be an I told you sore. And I can remember when I checked out, I can remember the Black Guard, and I had had Mexican policemen pretty much around me one white guy, and they weren't very talkative too for me. They weren't rude or unkind, but they weren't engaging. And they ain't like Atlanta police. No, I went to school with you, nigga, down.

You know, but he said, now, Mike, When I want to see you come back, I say, you ain't got to worry about that. He said good. And I walked out, and it was like a movie. I saw, I saw Shay standing in the rain. I saw my lawyer, Elliot, standing in the rain. Will was in the car in the rain. It was just like, it was like the end of a movie.

And I thought that was the very end of the movie, that this beautiful romantic set of me, this woman who I love, my lawyer, you know, the people who care about me there. And then I woke up the next morning after having, because I still went out of party. I still went out to party with Tom Wiley and Ron Wiley, who discovered Tupac. He owns the parent company to Loma Vista the company I partnered with. Man, we still went out and had a great time at, I think it was Peterson Automotive Museum, and had a great night. Oh, man, it was a great night. Jesus Christ.

And the next morning I woke up to a call from Pony Boys' mom saying, hey, you got to get back to Atlantic. You got to get back now. And I was like, what's wrong? What's wrong? She was like, Pony's getting his kidney. She was like he's getting a kidney. And that was truly the end of the movie for me. And I just thank God even harder.

You know, I thank God for everybody that had been a part of making that album with me. Everybody that sat up at the studio with me to encourage me, everybody that just gave me, Rico Wade God bless him, he's gone now. I remember Rico walking in the room, Ray Murray saying, you know, this album got to be as cohesive with the chronic and it got to be Southern. And he just left. And I was like, well, that's a hell of a thing to say to somebody. You know what I'm saying?

I was like, that's the chronic? You know what I'm saying? But we managed to do it. And it was only because of the people that believed in me. It was because of the men and women that believe me, the people that truly love me that believe in me. It was because of the ex-girlfriends that believed in me. It was because my wife that believed in me.

It was because my kids believed me. If I wouldn't have had all that belief poured into me, I don't know what I would have done. So in that moment, that night, that night that troublesome, like I tell people, They locked up a rapper But when they let me out I was a folk hero When we went to the Wap House We got home standing ovation We went to Spond David standing ovation

We went to every way we waited It was standing ovation because the city told me man We felt like we won And I said because we did Wow When you heard The categories And

Killer Mike Yes Travis Scott Drake you heard all these names call And the winner is Killer Mike Yeah First time it was exciting

I was like oh my God This is crazy This is amazing I got one Got one So if I I'm not leaving empty handed

Like Denzel said I'm leaving with something I'm leaving with something But I walked back And I said hold on Mike Don't walk back to your chair Notice it When I went up there

The first time I asked Shay I said Where's Shia was my wife They said I said don't go back And I said oh shit I'm gonna want to know And I went back out

When they called my name again I'm just like Nika Oh shit I don't want two. When I got off again, because I asked to say again, she still didn't come down. I asked when I left, they said, hold on. And that's when I realized, oh, shit, I just swept.

They said, don't go no way yet, Mike. And that's when I knew I was going to win, three. And when I looked up and seen Will going crazy, Paul, Y, T, Cuzz, Light, you're on the stage. My wife coming up in that short dress with them heels on and saw him up. I was like, I was like, it truly was a moment. And everybody in the house that night who had love for me, I appreciated it. There were people there just didn't even see

that just gave a fuck and showed love. And I just appreciated you all. Wow. You got Dre. I mean, Dre hadn't really done anything. Yeah, Stacks. Yeah. How'd you get stacks on this album?

I invited, we were, I was in the, um, No ID Studio and we, and I invited them just to come through. It's like, Dre and Beat Boy matter to me. Yeah. Like I have a, I have a, um, I have a podcast called Conversate with Killer Mike. I got to get you on there, too. I got to get you on there, too.

I had a conversation with Seabon, who at once time was my, you know, like your friend and arch rival at the same time. Cibon was very loyal and dedicated to Bigg and seeing what Big Boy wanted to see happen. And Dre and Big at the time Dre had decided, I'm going to lead rap and I'm going to pursue acting, pursue fashion. that and at the time the crew felt and I said the word abandoned but there's no malice

on it it's just that that's how we felt we felt like our leader him and big boy are our leaders you know and like in lieu of Rico being gone now Ray who was a very very quiet member of organized noise

said to become more vocal Ray has always been like Yoda quiet in the far but Ray is our leader Sleepy Brown's our leader so that was like one half our leadership left and to pursue what you should do pursue your soul's desire and calling but it just went into an anarchy and so getting an opportunity to be in a room with tray as no longer just teacher

and student not only just leader and follower but equals getting the chance to be in a room with him and let him hear what was michael at the time and say i think i may have something that you like man it was it was overwhelming because all i ever wanted to do was making him and big boy proud I wanted to make him and a big boy and a woman named Regina Davenport, who now works with brother David Banner. She was at A&R at Quimini. If it had not been for those three people, my life would have went drastically different. If it had been for Nassilo Reddick, you know, whose mother was a schoolteacher and father Bonzo Reddick, mother Betty and father Bonzo's a famous lawyer and Savannah, he was best friends with it.

If it hadn't been for these people, encouraging me, allowing me in, where would I be? So, you know, I just want a man like I forever do, man. I always, I tell Dray, man, damn, man, you'd be forgetting to mention me an interview. You got to mention me, Big Dog. We're trying to sell a record, but I never forget to mention Big and Dre because I appreciate them so much to give me an opportunity to change my life. And as I grew old and matured, I understood what a difficult task Big Boy took her on and then losing his partner, you know, and not losing his friend, his brother, but his partner in Ryan because his partner in Ryan had other things to soul, sought other things to see. Yeah. But he was forced to now hold it down along.

And by itself, and I remember years later just to call him being out of nowhere one night, just saying, man, I understand. And I apologize. I deeply apologize for the way I acted, you know, when everything was falling apart and you were trying to hold it together. I deeply apologize, because I see as a leader, what you go there, he says, see, I told you, boy. You know?

Yeah. So I think being and thank Tray, you know. Do you think they'll ever make music again together? I don't think about it because I'm an outcast fan. I get frustrated. yell at the sky too. You know, I understand that. But I'm glad that every few years they pop out on the stage together. And I think that music is better for it. They're receiving their rock and roll Hall of Fame, sometimes in the next couple months between, I think, October and November.

I'm going to be proud to be in the audience watching that happen. Just like I was proud to watch you and Sterling, man, walk on that stage, get those gold coats. I think that they don't owe the world nothing, but should they want to give the world something? We're glad to know. We sure they appreciate it. You won your first grade me with them in 03. Yep, I did. Yep, on a song called The Whole World. Yeah. I lit that shit up, too.

And I learned the importance of work ethic then. I wanted to go out to the club. All the other guys were going out, I think, to the gentleman's club. Yeah. They were going out too, and I remember Big was stopping me, saying, hey, maybe you want to stay here and check out. Because it was supposed to be another single off that album that was going to be the lead single. And Biggs, I think you need to stay, you know, and try to do something in this hit. So Big Boy, man, I got to say, has always been an encourager and it always been a,

someone I wanted to emulate in terms of being a good businessman, a good provider, the cornerstone of his family. I just, I just, he's somebody that doesn't get the praise and accolades he deserves because he's, because he's quiet about it. He doesn't, he doesn't throw his tail around. But man, the big boy through his tail around, a lot of y'all would be shamed. That boy bank, that boy bank account on swole, man, you know? You know, a rich, nigh, buy a house in the rich neighborhood.

Say, man, I'm thinking I'm buying this next old neighbor house. I don't really want no neighbor. I said, God, damn. And he just fucking around and did it. Is it true future was a part of the dungeon family? Yeah, Future, Future. He used to be called Meathead

when he was rapping with the D.F. Second Generation. And G. Rock, I think, Nicknamed him Future. Right. He's Rico's cousin, and he's an amazing artist. Dre's current favorite rapper. And Atlanta, it's just, it belongs to him. They love him. And he gave the work.

Future to me is like a futuristic rende When you listen to his music, a lot of times you listen to his music, a lot of times you listen to things that are sad and painful to heal, but he makes him sound like, man, it's the most exciting thing in the world, you know? So shots out the future and I really appreciate him and Drake. Because after Drake gave me the record, we had to figure out how to make it a record. Dre had a verse, you know, him and I think Blake, I've been getting the guy like, man, Sam, I think Blake. They had, and then No ID came in, and then DJ Paul came in and it just went crazy, but I appreciate Future because I know Future got a lot of shit to do. You know, Future, Future got a lot of shit to do. You know, Future. Future got a lot of A lot of hits to be on. But Future came out of nowhere, man, and sent me that verse, man. I just appreciate him and Stacks for doing that. So Future, I ain't seen him a long time, but thank you. You know, I sincerely appreciate you, brother. When he was in the second generation, did you know he would, like, be what he's become?

No, I didn't because I was so, I was too busy clawing at not falling off myself. You know what I mean? Like the big record company didn't have much faith in me. You know, Columbia Records is a company. The people who worked there didn't have faith in Killer Mike. They remember telling you, a big black guy, you can't be. I ain't a killer Mike yet, you know, you get a band come out a few years later, call the killers, and everybody gets behind them, you know what I mean?

So for me, I was too busy clawing, but I knew that Rico understood talent, and I knew that the guys, I knew he could wrap his ass off. I knew G Rock and See Smooth were dope as hell, you know, Bulletball was dope. I knew that the guys that Rick had put together for the second generation were dope guys, so I never doubted him. But it was when I saw him, he did a record. I'm forgetting it was featured with, but the kid literally chopped future. out the video, whoever was doing it was chopping future out.

And as a gunned time, man, I got pissed. I'm like, man, that's how I got to be y'all doing this. You know, I think it was racks on racks on racks. Right. See, it might have been that. But I knew then, I was like, oh, they're trying to hold Shaughty back. Oh, Shaught are going to do it. And the next thing you know, Shawley did it.

I can't even remember the other artist's name. That's not an insult to him. But I just said, that was the moment that I knew. When I seen another company try to kind of excuse him or get him, oh, I said, oh, he got. He got with the tape. And he's not, he's not let us down, man. he's done the city proud. You also got Dave Chappelle to appear on that one.

That's my guy. Why do you get Dave to appear on that one? I just asked him because, man, I went to, I ended up befriending Dave because I've always thought he was hyper-intelligent, funny as hell, and it's crazy to, like him and Ryan Davis are two of the most, and Paul Mooney. You know, so Paul Mooney, of course, God bless the dead. Dave is the current legend there's Ryan Davis, who I think is going to be an absolute goal to.

I like intelligent, funny. You know what I mean? I like all funnies, but there's something about intelligent funny. And Dave, man, I remember asking Dave, you know, when you, he gave me this speech, like, after one of his shows, like, you need to run for governor. And I'm like, I don't. I want some money like you. And he gave me this speech about how I don't care if you go to script clubs, I don't care if you go to script clubs, I don't care if we care that we can trust you. Right.

The people have implicit faith in you. And you have to honor that by doing something. So I called me and said, Dave, you'll do something on the album. I sent you to him. And he sent back that monologue. And I was like, oh, shit. And then people try to get pissed about the monologue. Y'all dare you compare being a black man or being a rapper to storming the beaches of Okinaq?

When I think to myself, how many 18 and 19 your boys in the Army and not don't know what their life is going? Stepping out on that beach is the scary, stepping out that curve sometimes. You don't know what you're doing, which direction to go, what's going on around you. And I say, man, what a pitiful way to hate on a metaphor by trying to hate on Dave Chappelle, who's intelligent, who gets it. And I appreciate him telling me to run because I ain't stopped running since, man. Thank you, Dave. What was the first time you met Dave? First time I met Dave, Dave had me on the show, the Chappelle show, first season.

When everybody was like, I heard your name's killer, Mike. We're not booking killer, Mike. And Dave was like, I'll book him and had me come to a boxing gym in Brooklyn. And me and my man, G.G. McGee, who just got his ex in the nation of Islam, Southside of G. Girard X now, man. I'm very proud of you. We went up there, man And we performed action

And the day was jumping around He was skinny as a priest And I have been a fan of since then But in the last four years Really built a solid friendship with him You took him to the flame Took him to the flame And Bill Maher

And that's how we toured together At the end of the night He puts his arm around me He says Mike We should go on tour And I was like Don't play with me I have my white folks call your white folks in the morning.

We're getting shit together. And the next morning I call my white folks. They spend days white folks already called us. You guys were going on tour. Wow. And it happened. That's not happening. The flame.

I owe a lot to the flame. Shots out to Michael and Jackie Cato. The food good is playing? No, the food is the best. Let me tell you all this, man. Atlanta is one of the places where not only do you have black strip clubs, they're black on. So when you start talking about club rain now, I think, rebranded Folly, you start to my peachy, she starts to my Magic City,

started talking about the flame. Candy land with two chains. Shots out the drill over there. Those are clubs that are now- Folly's reopened? Yeah, well, Folly's name is now rain over on Moreland, which used to be, yep, now they're...

It used to be on what you call them, too, the highway. Yeah, yeah, but it's gone now. So that one had to close, so I think that they're just doing a licensing deal. Oh, okay. But... I don't know why I knew that.

Yeah, but these places got great food. So if you want the best wings, you know, a lot of people are going to tell you Magic City, and I love Magic City wings, but you know, I'm from the west side. Yeah. But the west side wings at that flame, whoa, who, who, you know. I'm going to have to shake the flame by the end.

Yeah, you got to let me take you. I'm going to tell the secret. Where? Dayshill. Dayshill? Dayshill. Okay. They shill got them all natural bodies, and those girls got, they got real.

I'm going for the food. That's all I want. That's all. Oh, I respect. Work with me. Work with me. Work with me. We're going to go for the food.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joy, to get Joy got the schedule. We'll be there. Let's let's do it. This concludes the first half of my conversation.

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