Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Killer Mike Part 2

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Killer Mike joins Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay fresh off his Grammy wins to reflect on his journey from Atlanta’s Westside to becoming one of hip-hop’s most outspoken voices and community leaders. Killer Mike offers an apology to Steph and Ayesha Curry. Killer Mike then opens up about his own marriage to Shay, his wife of 20 years. He recalls knowing she was “the one” after just two weeks, breaking up with another woman to be with her, and proposing with a handwritten note in Las Vegas at 3 a.m., and they kept the marriage private for nine years. Killer Mike says Shay has always been his encourager, business partner, and twin flame. Together they’ve raised a blended family, invested in property, opened businesses like their bed-and-breakfast and The SWAG Shop, and built a bond rooted in honesty and resilience. He reflects on temptation, monogamy, and the lessons learned from missteps early in marriage, including the moment Shay confronted him for being too friendly at a strip club. Killer Mike explains why partnership is about tailoring marriage to what works for you and credits Shay with helping him become a better man, father, and businessman. The conversation turns to money, business, and community. Killer Mike explains why he believes young couples should invest in homes and businesses over expensive weddings, and how he and Shay built wealth by combining his instinct for opportunities with her research-driven approach. He recalls buying Bankhead Seafood with T.I., developing housing projects, and the hard lessons of entrepreneurship — checking your ego, taking losses, and knowing when to cut ties. Killer Mike shares why cannabis should remain in the hands of local communities, not just corporations, and why he feels indebted to reinvest in Atlanta.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. Would you consider because you're so versed, because you're so well read, because you know the history of this country and you understand what our people are going through, would you ever consider running for political office? Yeah, but I got to get, I got to get real. You got to get some more paper, though.

Yeah, a real talk. Y'all want to be unbrivable. Yeah. See, a lot of iPhones get caught up because they pour. Yeah. You know what I mean? What I mean is when you're poised, when you look at white politicians, they're doctors, their lawyers, their engineers, they're people that understand the economy of finance.

So they are above, they are above certain levels of bribery. Yeah. Man, some iPhone get caught taking $3,700 for a goddamn youth league team or some shit. And you'd be like, God damn, no, bro. You're too intelligent. We need to lose you for it, you know? So for me, it's important that I have a certain amount of stability. So when I get at about $22, $23 million, that you can see me.

you pop up, I'll run for something local, hyper-locals, you know what I mean? So I want to service my community, but right now the best thing I can do to service my community is be as strong individuals I can take care of these women and children, you know, take care of my sisters, take care of my nieces, nephews, and once we as a family get stable, you know, I want to be the, I want to be the, I want to be the, I've seen the King family, I've seen the King family keep the integrity, I've seen the King family make good investments. I've seen Bernice and Dexter, God bless the dead, you know, Landa, God bless the dead, and Martin III, do solid investments in our community. And so I want to be that.

I don't want to, I don't want to be pandering. I remember Bernie Sanders, I met with the OG one time in D.C. Meen and Nina Turner met. And, you know, I think it was Eddie Galk, too. But Bernie said, you used to come to D.C. to make a change and go back home and say, this is the change we've made. Now we've just become a political fundraising. And I didn't like the idea of it. That's not what I want to be a part of. You had Young Thug on the album also. Yeah.

Shots out the Thug. Let me ask you this. What do you feel about, I don't get this. Why all of a sudden they released those recorded jailhouse calls? I mean, as a consorted effort to keep black people out of power. As Thug matured matured, I saw him matured as a human being. As he matured past, you young, you got ego. I remember sitting with him, and this is before he ever went to jail, got released.

He was saying, man, I can't feel no way about Lucci. He'd take too good of care of his mom and his children, so I don't want to see nothing to happen to him. Now, he's saying this is we record and run. This is not after he's been in jail. Right. And I've seen him say it post that. I talked to Lucci and heard Lucci say, man, I don't have no problem with thug. I don't want an issue.

I'm just trying to make money to take care of my family. I think at the core, we all want the same things. But our pride in Nigo is a lot of times. Fuel is added to a fire because of the people around us because of beach. Because of beefs and stuff we don't have. My hope for Thug and Lucci, my hope for all these young men that are coming up in Atlanta is for them to take time to be mentored by the black men and women that over the last 60 years have shaped and formed that community.

Because what you don't understand is a lot of time our behavior is an embarrassment to them and it loses them political equity and real equity and money. Atlanta is Atlanta, and it's a special place. I feel like Atlanta should be treated by black people like America is to Muslims, right? You have economic opportunity thanks to Maynard Jackson. You have economic opportunity on 10 and international because of people like Andy Young. You have economic opportunity because of Shirley Franklin, Bill Campbell, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Kassim Reed, Mayor Dickens.

You have economic opportunity. Your reputation and the reputation you bring that city could possibly ruin it. If you're too thuggish, you're too ruggish, you're too outlandish, you're too, you're too, bare bones, minimum bullshit, and especially violence. Violence is not good for money. Violence is not good for bringing new hotels, for bringing new tours, bringing new conferences, bringing Super Bowl, FIFA, Major League Baseball is not good. So when we, as the entertainment and athlete class, we have two choices.

We can take the low road and do the typical bullshit and be the top of the street. And we all know what that ends up, jail or early funeral. Or we could be the youngest and the mentees of the business class and the social class to say, hey, this is how we can make the city better. We could take our cues from the people who are in the streets organizing. We can take our cues from the people who are in those big suites organizing,

making it work. Like Andy built a dome with no public money. He was a pension plan is out of California. So he was able to build our city and not have to overtax you, I'll tax you. Keish and Lance Bottoms put a furlough on anybody building

that would take the taxes up on Legacy Residents. These people have made the right investments. So we need to consult with the Keishandth bombs of Michael Thurman. We need to say what can we do to be better Because if we don't, we're going to lose a city for our people that generates so much money and so much economic opportunity. And we don't understand that because we used to nobody paying us attention. We used to nobody caring about us.

We think that because public school teachers didn't pay attention to us like we want to nobody else deals. Well, the students paying attention to you. And we owe those students an opportunity. So I would say in Atlanta, keep rapping, keep making money, keep slamming basketballs, keep scoring touchdowns, keep getting home runs. But keep your ass in front of a YouTube with John Hope Bryant. Keep your ass in front of when Stokely Carmichael or Quimantori spoke at UGA. Go look at those old tapes and you will understand we have a greater responsibility than just the flash of right now.

We have a greater responsibility than just the winning of right now. Our responsibility should be to plant a tree that we'll never get to enjoy the shade of, that these two, three, four generations down would get an opportunity to say like I can see about Alonzo Herney who started the Atlanta Life Insurance Company because he started a barbers. He had a barbers shop that serviced all white men, but it was all black barbers. He heard about the insurance guys. insurance game, life insurance game, which you just learned about now, he heard about that started selling black people life insurance. Magic Johnson recently acquired that company.

When they asked Magic Johnson, why did you acquire the Atlanta Life Insurance Company? He said, I saw this interview with Killer Mike. And that's the unique thing about you as in Atlanta. As in Atlanta, you get to live your history. Your black history don't just happen in February. Your black history is happening every day, and your black ass has a responsibility. And part of that's responsibility is to rise above the streets. You got an opportunity to rise above the streets and become somebody, because you have kids that are coming after you that look up to you, that admire you, and they need to know that opportunity is there. Atlanta ain't been no champion city because we got no funky-ass reality show programs

of some music, singing and dancing since 1990. This is 124-190. This is 124-190. Booker, this is 104, 1905. Alonzo Herney had been there since 1900. So you have a social responsibility. John Wesley Dobbs was the mayor of Black Atlanta before there was his grandson, because the mayor of all Atlanta. We have a responsibility. We have that responsibility in Savannah.

We have that responsibility in Macon. We have that responsibility in Athens, Augusta and Columbus, too. And if we don't hold true to our responsibilities, it's nobody fault, like Mr. John told me down the street from my barbershop on Edgewood Avenue. He said, hey, they're going to come along and tell you that white folks bought this neighborhood up and jacrified and took for us. And that's a goddamn lie. He said, the kids thought they were better than the auto stores. Their parents are owned and bought, and they sold it, and they sold it for too cheap. So I'm telling my athletes and my rappers out there, we have a responsibility. And our responsibility is to learn to do good business and become businessman and women. You wrote a letter for WIF and Lucci.

Yes. Why did you do it? What made you do that? Because it's the right thing to do. That brother is better on the streets with his mom and his children than people. I remember getting a call to them very powerful people. And they said, hey, man, we called you and Tia. And we're telling you to call Lucci because I know you have a relationship with Drew Fenland and his

lawyer, and I know you have some a relationship with him, although it wasn't a very deep, a long relationship, Drew is my guy, love his lawyer, have grown to love and respect the hell out of Brian Steele who defended Thug. I consider both of them friends now, and I talk to them more often than not. But I got

that call. It said, hey man, we want you to call Luchin, tell him, if there's any bullshit, tell him it's time to cut the bullshit. Tip got the call, say, hey man, call Thug, tell him if there's any bullshit, it's time to cut the bullshit. Me and and Tip, both did what we asked to do. We made the calls, We both got the same plaza on, man.

I don't know what you're talking about. You know the big homie, a little homie talk about. So the little homie, man, I don't know what you're talking about. You know, and the next thing you know, all hell broke loose and everybody went to jail. Got snatched. Because you guys who think that you run the streets, God bless our souls, because I've been one of them guys, we don't run shit. The black political class in the southeast runs us with an absolute hand. And if you get in the way of that money, if you get in the way of that port money of Savannah,

If you get in the way of that peaches and cotton money or that tobacco money in the Carolinas, if you get in the way of that airport money in Atlanta, they've got somewhere to sit your ass down for a few years. And if you have a reputation, they've been ruining each other's reputation in politics so long. You don't think they know how to ruin our reputation? You understand what I'm saying? So I just want to tell the athletes and the entertainers to take yourself more seriously than the homies around you take you because they want you to be the top of the streets.

And I'm telling you, you could be the top of the suites if you play it right. Wow. You are a great peacemaker. You can sit down and somebody might have been arguing for years and years and years, and you can bring them together. Your voice is soothing. You just have a way with words and people gravitate towards you, Mike. You think you can sit down and get thug and gunner back together? I don't know if I can get thug and gunner back together as I don't have that relationship with them.

But I do know a guy named Troop. God bless it dead. And I love Troupe because Troup was a big homie to an entire neighborhood. And before he was ever even known as a big homie to that neighborhood, he saved one of my cousins life. Troop was a gambler instinctively. He gambled. Him and a lot of athletes, he made a lot of money out of athletes. He didn't ever have to touch a field.

And what I do know is that Troop had the respect of a lot of people and it wasn't based on violence. It was based on the fact that he in a gambling house could get you out of the house. that gambling house without getting your head knocked off. Because he could help everybody understand that, hey, man, you're going to win some, you're going to lose some. Yeah. So next time when you win it, ain't nobody going to put no hands on you tonight you can't put your hands on them.

So if I had an opportunity to say anything to gone and thug, I'll remind them because they're so young of a guy named Art. Art was in a gang. I believe the gang was I refuse. And he remember, I remember watching the news with Art sitting in a hotel room and they busted these guys. And the guys were getting locked up. And everybody looked at Art, man, he's a snitch, he a rat.

And I saw Art go serve time. And then I got a message in my Facebook one time from a guy named Art who said, I need you to help me, help some young men. And I remember how turned off I was about it at first. Like, man, you the guy that sent in the neighborhood. I remember how the big homies felt about you. But I remember how many big homies had used and abusers

had took advantage of payers a dollar on the $100 when we should have been getting $10 on $100. And I thought about what that man must have He had to went through, and he got out of jail, and his job became helping and saving young men. And I said, well, I owe him, man, I got to do something for him. So art is do a favor for me. I saw art change and evolve. You know, that's what I saw.

So I would just encourage them, brothers, to change and evolve and show an example that we can get past whatever. Whatever that differences are. Whatever our differences are, we can get past them. And if we choose to do that, see, when America lands in Afghanistan, they get the tribal leaders together. And they say, hey, now, we need y'all to stop doing it. So we need y'all to come up with a peace agreement. When we go into other country, that's the first thing that we do. If America really wanted gang violence to end, Jeff Fort would be free.

Larry Hu would be free. They would have been free 30 years ago. And they would have been organizing. You know, if America really wanted this stuff to stop. You know, there's somebody, man, right now in this city. I don't know if he's going to do jail time or not. You know, his name was Big U. They got their brother locked up and they got them, you know, some pretty serious charges.

But the guy I saw, the guy I saw wasn't bullying people. Me and Tip, said, and we said, well, he never asked us for anything. He never forced our hands. He never asked us for anything but our presence in front of the little boys that he was mentoring. He told me, Mike, you know, money would flood in when the violence is high. And when we get violence to come down, the money drives up. And then the money drives up, goes to police force, and then it rises back up again. Then money comes back our way.

So a lot of this is just a part of a system that perpetuates it. So I just, I'm highly suspect of our people when they get locked up. I'm highly suspect of a system that has an incentive to keep us enslaved because incarceration is slavery. And I would just encourage every young man out there to do what Amina Matthews and Gary Davis. Gary Davis has the next level Boys Academy in Atlanta. Amina Matthews is Jeff Ford's daughter. And they get young men together at a table and they moderate and mediate conversations.

So I get to say to you, this is what you did to offend me. I believe the Jewish people, if there's somebody in the room, let me know. Is it Rosh Hashanah, where you get together and you ask each one of the people? another's forgiveness, and the person has the option to forgive or not forgive or wait to the next year, we need to develop systems like that in our community. Well, we can sit down and say, man, I know I did you're wrong, and I'm asking that you forgive me, and give each other an opportunity to give each other grace. Because at the end of the days, you know, most of us in the southeast, a Christian of some

sort, and we follow this guy named Jesus, this ultimate character, and when you look at who was the last person that he saved that he cared about was a prisoner, a self-confessed thief, somebody had took something for somebody, somebody that was looted, somebody didn't nobody care about. Christ gave that person grace. That's the person who went to send it to heaven with him. So for me, I would just say we need to learn to give each other grace. We need to give ourselves some grace. We need to be real leaders amongst our crews and tell our crews, hey man, that beef we had, that beef got to go because nut dead. We don't need another dead man. We don't need another dead man. We've lost too many good people. Trouble dead. We don't need

another dead man. You know, so we, we need to figure out a way to get at a table together, to discuss, to forget, to forgive, and then move on in unity, because it's better for our people if we do. That's all. Kendrick put you on the pimple butterfly. He mentioned you in pimple butterfly. Yeah, he did. I mean, because at the time, that was Kendrick's biggest. Yeah. Oh, man, man, thank you, Kate. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. You can, you know, From a stylish standpoint, you can overtly hear the Dungeon family influence on him, and it's just amazing.

And I'm glad somebody was paying attention to D.F. like I was. I'm glad to have been mentioned by him. But, boy, I could use a feature. So if you're at home thinking about it, KD., man, I would, you know, I love getting, you know, shit. And that's for his whole crew. Al, you know, kill him. Schoolboy, it's just amazing. What TD is, baby, was able to do was amazing. But K.D., I would, I love it.

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Oh, man. Oh, man, he ain't lost a step. Oh, man. He, he the one. Man, Ice Cuban Scarface, I'm a direct student in him. I'm a judge. You can hear it in my music. I'm a direct.

But that boy, O'Shea Jackson, senior man. Oh, man. that man don't play. Everything he has become. You know, I remember reading the Rolling Stone article where his parents made him go to Drapment School in Arizona. They were like, I had rap shit cool, but you're going to have an education. He's always been proud to be brilliant.

He's always used his imagination to give you a world that you might not have known, but he brought you into whether it was NWA or whether later America's Most Wanted, death certificate, kill at will. He's always taking you beyond where you thought he could go. When he showed you you could laugh in movies like Friday, one, two, when he gave you new, when he popped up as an actor, Cube has shown me since I was 12 years old that all possibilities are possible. When you see Killer Mike going on now a television show, you know, the lowdown, when you see me next to Ethan Hawke, I'm

unafraid, I'm informed by Ethan on this is how you pull it off, but I'm afraid because I saw my idol do it. I saw Cube do it, so I know I can do it. I'm unafraid to do business with people who don't look like me because I've seen Cube do it with priority records. I've seen them do it with Hollywood. I've seen him be a black man. Stand up, I've seen him be married to one black woman, create these black children. I just shot a scene with O'Shea Jackson, Jr. Just did a scene in a movie with him. And I say, first of all, Trippy, you look so much like your dad. You know what I'm saying? I straight the fuck up. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to look you like your dad. But I thanked him for sharing, for his family, for sharing his dad with the

world, because your dad has been an uncle, has been a father-like figure, it's been a big homie to so many of us. So, man, when it comes to Ice Cube, I just want to tell kids, hip-hop's finally 51, 52 years old, it's finally old enough for you to go back on a nostalgia run, make him a part of that nostalgia run, make Ice Cube a part of that, make, make, make E40 a part of that, make, make a scarface, who is my personal goal, a part of that. You know, the ghetto boys, you have to, you have to know where you're being to know where you're going, or else is somebody resell you something you already did and give it a new name. You know, rock and roll did not look like Elvis, and there ain't no disrespect to Elvis,

but he wasn't no Chuck Berry or a little Richard. Was it? Hove. Oh, that's my guy, man. I mean, we hear this, he might be coming out with music. I talked to bleak said, man, that ain't where his head is right now. He, you know, he ain't in that mindset. He's a business, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's where his head's at. You think Hobb going to give us something? I don't know. I think when you're an artist, I think you never stop. Like, I walk around the house, he's mumbling to myself. You know what I'm saying? And so I don't think he ever stopped.

I think Hove got some raps in there. He never stops. And as an artist, he sees the world in an artful way, just being channeling that in a different way. Like, I look at No ID. No ID's been taking more pictures than making more beats now. You know what I'm saying? And there's an art to business.

Like, I remember, so we got Mayor Bill Campbell in Atlanta. Black mayor from the Carolinas, but he understands the Atlanta way. The Atlanta way is you create opportunity on the private and equity side for black business people who are going to do the job right. Correct. What other city would have told Magic Johnson, who had been involved in scandal, you know, with acquiring HIV, but then becoming a staunch advocate for everyone being tested and all had been, had been, you know, basically treated badly toward his last days in the NBA by all the players and stuff, how they handle him.

And then, S magic at some point had to figure out what to do and how to do it. And he figured out business brought him to some degree the same satisfaction of athleticism. Because something you can beat. Exactly. So in my mind, Jay-Z has made business his art. in some capacity. So he wants to mask that in the same way. He mastered bars and flows.

I saw Magic Johnson come to Atlanta, and I saw Starbucks want to get in Southwest Atlanta, and they did it with Magic Johnson. I saw TGI Friday to get in Southwest Atlanta with Magic Johnson, AMC Theatres getting there with Magic Johnson. I saw Magic Johnson completely become a businessman by way of doing business in Atlanta, and then coming back 30 years later now to own the Atlanta Life Insurance Company.

So for me, I cheer for Hove in that capacity, because it's not only Hove. Knaz has learned how to become a business person. Absolutely. Big boy has learned how to become a business person. My man, a chameleonaire, has known how to become a business person. And there's nothing wrong with that because when we lose that element, when we lose these people, what we'll lose is people who will give other people like us an opportunity.

So I cheer for Hove. I would love another Hove album. But if you never give me another one, if you just give me some guest verses. You know, we can live. But I would like to see him succeed more or not less. And I would like to see Kareem succeed. And I would like to see Dame succeed. Right.

And D.N. You know what I'd like to see Dallas Austin and Jermaine Dupree. Brown Michael Copps keep succeeding because if we don't have these mega men of sorts, then you never get people like me. I'm a small business person, you know, but I'm invigorated when I see my brothers win huge and big. And I know this isn't small business to some people, but it's small business compared to the billionaires. I think I have a hundred million dollar company here. But would I dare to think like that if it hadn't been for Jane? What I dare to think like that if it hadn't been for brands like OutKast?

What I dare to think like that if it wouldn't have been for people like Yeezy, taking over the world, what I dare to think. So I'm inspired by that because as I have grown into a stronger, more competent rapper, I've also learned to do better business. And, you know, my businesses are small businesses, but they're ones I believe in and their brands I see growing. I want this to be a $100 million company. I want Banking and Seafood to be a destination point. I want you to land in Atlanta, get off their bankhead highway, stop by the blue flame,

then come the bankhead see us, man. T.I. Yeah, that's my friend. You've known T.I. for a minute. That's my brother, man. You're in business together. I mean, hey, he called himself the king of the south, and I can't say that I disagree with him. He is, absolutely.

But when you talk Atlanta rappers, you've got to mention him some shape, form of fashion. Yeah, absolutely. How did you and T.I. meet? Man, K.P., who's a Dundee family member, and DJ Toon, they found the kid and they developed them. I mean, when I remember walking in the gentleman's club, seeing the kid in some Cartier frames. He used to have a gold tooth pick on, and I never understood how his hat stayed on his head. He used to wear it like that. He would like one of them old men in the South who owned the gas station.

They might call a player. You know, man, he obviously a player, man. But he was such a player. He was such a player, man, at a young age. I'm five years old and tips off. He's 19. He was 24, but such a player, man, so confident. You know what I mean?

He reminded me of my cousin, Jimmy, you know, my cousin, man. And I just, I knew I rap, though, so I never was intimidated. So when we were getting rooms together, people asked us do verses, rap, whatever, I was, I was, it's like watching, it's like watching on the football field, your boy get it off. Oh, man, your boy might play defense, but he got it off. Oh, man, I got to get it off. I got to get it off, and I just seen my dog do it. And that's how I feel around him and then drove. particular. Like, when you talk about

the West Side, man, you're talking about from patterns and flows who are people emulate, you're talking about tip. You're talking about droplet in terms of just lyricism, man. So I really am grateful to be his brother and his friend in business, in music and beyond, because I truly love him

as though we blood. You drop your debut album, the same day 50 drop, get richard dot try. And 50, we know what that at? Phil. Phil, will everybody out of the ass that year, man. He was an ass whooping machine. I got a lot of love for Fifth, man. I tell him every time I see him, he let me, when I was on my, when I was on the down, Phil, I think I made maybe 10 grand for a show. I had to go to Europe. Yale was always

kind to me. Shouts out the buck and banks too. But Phil let me open for a show and I made some money. I really appreciate him because I really needed at the time. But let me tell you son, boy, you kicked there by the ass. Oh, man, you woke so much ass. I just remember looking at the billboard charges and looking myself fall like that. And every week you sell quarter a minute, boom, boom, boom. But what I really love about it is I still went gold. Yeah, and I was proud for that. But I learned to don't confine yourself to golden platinum.

Don't confine yourself to what's good enough. Because that's what I was going to ask. I was going to ask you, why didn't you get discouraged? You could like, man, this man did came out. He jumped out of the boss, did 10 minutes. He diamond. Here I am. I'm gold, which is good.

But that ain't. Because you got drafted at 192 in the seventh round. Yep. And you're in the Hall of Fame. Yep. And you got a ring. Yep. Yeah, that's why.

Because you don't, because all I need is the opportunity. Right. You went to Savannah State. Correct. You didn't go to UGA. Nope. You didn't go to Georgia Tech.

Right. You went to Savannah State. You didn't go to Balma. You know Tennessee. You went to Savannah State. So in other words, you're like, you know what? I'm not judging my success by somebody else. No.

I'm Michael. I'm here. I'm here, baby. Y'all let me in. See, when I asked God for a long career for a long career for a long career, I didn't understand the perils that came with it. I just know I asked lower, I said, I want a career like Bun B. I want a career like Scarface. But I didn't understand that a 20-year career, you're going to take some ups, you're going to take some down. I didn't understand that the highs

and lows. You're going to learn as much in the valley as you enjoy seeing the peak. So I'm thankful. I'm thankful to still be in a room and have 50 percent to acknowledge me and I acknowledge him and me again, say, hey man, thank you for that show years ago. You don't know it kept me going another couple months. I really appreciate that. I'm thankful to watch you because his first attempts at doing film and television didn't just take right off. I saw him not quick. So I've learned from him, you know, as much. And I'm just a student, man, and I'm appreciator of, you know.

Even people who I might not agree with, might not agree with me. I still appreciate you. I still learn from you. But, fifth, man, that year, I just got to say, you look that ass. You know, you whoopped ass, but I'm going to, shots out to you, Dre and him, you know? Independent. Oh, and I got to get shots to the game, too. Oh, yeah.

I forgot mention that game was early in my career, man. He was on the West Coast. Game's one the best rappers ever and he um I never forget they had Viad magazine had us do a had us do like a call

one of your homeboys who wrap up and tell them you just got a flat tire you and I'll cry man am I'm such such I'm in a son I forgot with street of neighborhood I said oh man I'm fucked up

he was on his way to buy a Bentley he told whoever he said hey man stop the car he said kill don't get out car man turn around for to come get you now I said no no we're just joking we just talking but I got to appreciate the game too as a member of Gene

and he was definitely friend and then just won the raw. Junior just had a Trump-type crew name, so shots out. Major versus Independent. Yeah. I hear Stephanie Miller. I think she's going on tour with Patty LaBelle, Shaka Khan. Somebody saw that show.

They told me about it. And they asked Stephanie Mills, and she said, if I knew then what I know now, I would do it independently. She said, because basically a major record company, they're marketing. Yeah. But I know what I'm worth. I know what I want to sell. And if I sell this many, I get that. If I sell that, I get this.

break down you've been at this thing three decades yeah break it down major record label independent pros cons for both well i mean a major label man you're in a major long you got that engine yep and they really believe in you're going on a major way but man i don't i'm in the nthel i don't get down if i'm playing for the new york times so tampa bay buccaneers i'm in the i'm in the nthale like so i have had a better relationship working as an indie with it with a with a smaller indie that's backed by a major in Loma Vista, being able to work with Loma Vista, who's, you know, parented by Concord, now that I understand fully who I am, now that me and will have meant through the pure independence of SMC, now that I've turned down a major

and virgin when Jermain was ahead over there, and I've been on a major with Columbia and lecture before, I think I found a middle ground in where I'm independent enough to know when I need some major help, you know, and I think that that really is it, because if you can go through the roof, you're going to need some extra fuel on that fire, and that's what they help you, and there's nothing wrong with that. But Andy Young said to me, I don't understand why you young guys don't just buy a house you can afford, get a couple of nice cars that I know you like nice cars and just be satisfied. Beyond major or independent, one of the best things you could do. Now, I've encouraged a lot of artists and athletes to do this, is find you a house in the South.

Find you a house in Atlanta, Savannah, Nashville, Chattanooga, Charlotte. a house, senior mama, your baby mama, whoever there, and buy it outright. And you don't need every car, get you a couple, you want some fancy, get you a couple German cars or whatever, get you a pickup truck, get you one German car, and just stack everything for the first four or five years. Put your money in the S&P's 500s. Don't try to get too sexy. But you know that, but when you grow up like we grew up, man, all we dreamed, that's

my car. I dreamed of having that. When I saw Miami Vice, yes. When I saw them wearing Bessachi and I saw Roll. That's all Rolex for the Ferrari. Man, we got to have that. Get what? Get you one Rolex. You don't need four.

So your boy got the Ferrari. You got the Porsche. You get what you got to do. Hey, man, I can drive your Ferrari today. Yeah, let me hold that Porsche, dog. Don't nobody know. The girls in the club ain't going to know. So I'm just here to say, man.

I'm here to say, man, you got to stay tucked in a tight, man. The most successful drug dealers I saw live like working dudes. The most successful ones I saw, the ones that managed to escape the game. Like, you look at it, you look at out in my neighborhood, man, a guy like a guy, like a guy like my man Rod. If Rod, if you didn't catch Roy, four seven o'clock, after seven, you wouldn't catch him because he had a job. Never went to jail, came pinned out, ended up doing well for himself, got out the guy he needs. But man, he lived like a regular guy. If you manage living modestly for long enough,

man, you're going to have an abundance. So again, if you and your homeboys, if you're 18, right, you ain't got a bunch, but you and three of your cousins, y'all go to trade school. Yeah. One learned carpentry, one learned flooring, one. learn everybody learn something go by y'all the quadruplex together yeah live in one or two of them and rent the other two out and then repeat process to you buy another and another and another then you can do it instead of saying why i got a car well man shit i bought i bought a shabell my brother bought the what's name if i want to drive as cutters i just get my brother yeah right you we have to start doing these little tricks because we talk about immigrants doing these tricks now your grandparents did these tricks my my

big mama and big daddy lived on land my big daddy's sister tea suite lived that the top of their land in the house. In the next five years, I'm going to have a compound. What, me and all my sisters got housed on the same compound. We're not going to sell the houses we got. Those houses are going to go to my nieces, my nephews, somebody, they're going to be in a trust so they can't wake up and do no stupid shit like selling one day.

But that's what you do. That's what you do. Repeat what made people in your family successful. Everybody got that one conservative bad, Auntie and Uncle who would do it the right way. So that's who we need to start emulating. I love Miami advice. But that one done, Johnson, Farrar.

He just got the drive. Act, it seemed to be you've been bit by the acting bug now. Yeah. I mean, I saw your, I mean, I saw my favorite show Ozart. Yeah, man. Oh, man. Man. And you're in this movie now with the series with Ethan Hawke.

Yeah. When did you get the acting bug? Man, I mean, I've been acting out my whole life. You know, I mean, I've been acting my way out a few tickets. I act like I wasn't in that woman. How would she pull that pistol on me? But, but, um, It's just creative, man, it's just my imagination.

I remember acting like Miami Vice scenes when I was a kid. Laura Lenny, I met on a plane. She used to be on a show called The Big Sea, a woman who was dying of cancer and what her last age was like me. It was a very uplifting show. I met her, my wife says, I do this all the time. I introduced myself to people on the plane.

I learned that when I flew to Daytona when I was a kid. You sit down and you say, and it used to be in the plane. You didn't put your luggage right above you. You put your luggage across me so you can see your luggage. So I still do that. And then I'll introduce myself, hey, I'm Michael. I was like, hey, Lord, I watch your show.

My wife loves it and whatnot. And we just kept in contact. So she's always been an encourager of. Omar Dorsey, a friend of mine, has always been an encourager of. Ethan, when I met him on Bill Marshall, called me out to do Good Lord Burr, just a bit part. But he saw something in me that I wanted, you know, you figure out what else you knew. because in the artist, you're compelled to do other things. But Sterling, who wrote the show,

who wrote Reservation Dogs, and just as a brilliant writer. And he and Ethan thought I might be good for this part. Reservoir Dog. Yeah. No, not Reservoir. Reservation Dog. Reservation Dogs was a series about kids who were growing up on Indian Reservation. Okay.

Yeah, Reservoir Dogs was written by Tarantino, who's a favorite director of my hateful eight is one of the most amazing movies ever. But they had collaborated on an episode. And they thought I'd be perfect to play this character. And I was nervous and shit. Ethan gave me one of the pep talks like, hey, man, you're made for this, buddy. Right. You know, he gave me one of your white friend, pep talks.

Hey, buddy, what do you mean? You're made for this. And I tried out and I got the part. And then I got called back saying, you're going to be in a few more episodes. And the next thing you know, oh, shit, I'm really acting. And acting is about using the live imagination to tell a grander truth. And I think I'm kind of made for that. You've been at this speaking about politics and race and understanding.

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Yeah, yeah. He said, if you can convince the lowest white man that he's better than the best color man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. He won't know. He said if you give him somebody to look down on, he'll empty his pockets for you. There you go. At the time the Dr. King was in Mississippi trying to help workers organize, the Klan was at its height trying to fight against blacks having an ability to organize and be on jobs with them. The lowest paid white man in the country was in Mississippi.

When me and Bernie Sanders went to Alabama a few years ago to try to help them unionize in Amazon, you know, you can just know Alabama for as far as it could be, it isn't as far as it could be because there's something that's holding it down. I just want to say to my brothers and sisters in the south of the working class, it doesn't matter me which color. you are. Doesn't matter to me who you like in terms of a national figure, speaking on social issues. I need you to understand that the same people that invented the word, invented the word cracker, and they meant for you and crackers to stay on the bottom. Because there's a rich class in the South. There's what they call a planter class, a master class of people. And they own Georgia and Tennessee and the Carolinas, Florida, the Mississippi, all up through Arkansas, they own it. And they rule it with an iron fist. And if we don't start to understand more like

Fred Hampton understood that we truly need a rainbow coalition of workers pushing forward in this country on each other's behalf, then we're going to stay separate, we're going to stay unequal, and we're all going to stay without. How have they been able to convince one group to vote against their own best interest and to look down on the other group when you're in the same boat? Well, the oligarchs have always done it. Because you get the thing at the trailer parks different from projects. No, it's both set aside for people who are poor.

That's it. We have to understand that at some point, race is just an economic tool used under this particular system of capitalism to keep us infighting so that we never get greater gains. I believe there's a more compassionate version of capitalism. I believe that there's a version where free trade and labor will work, where a working man can grow his own food and sell his food to his neighbor, and that's not outlawed by the state. Again, I believe in being able to brew your own whiskey. I don't think you should have to have a tax stamp on your whiskey. So when I hear about somebody like Popeye Sutton, you know, who's a white man, who's a bootlegger up in Tennessee,

rather than serve federal time, he killed itself. He said, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to bow to these oligarchs. He becomes a hero of mine. And the same way that John Brown is a hero of mine. So for me, I think that we need to look outside of our own culture, our own race, our own class for other people that we admire and that we agree with, too.

Because that way, you know, the possibility of better is in other people. as well, and you start to form union, you start to form collaboration, you start to form coalitions in which the best interests of everyone has served. And I believe in particular, in the working class in the South, that we have a duty and an obligation to just like we work in fields, to have an opportunity to work other things that will work better for all of us. Did you always feel like this because you caught a lot of criticism because you went and sat down with a deal?

No, no, I sat down with Kemp, the governor, Kemp. Yeah. And you got a lot of that, man, Mike, why are you sitting down with him? Because he's my governor. And you say, look, I'm going to sit down with the man because it might be an opportunity for I can help people that look like me. Absolutely, absolutely. And when you see when he passed the, when he reinstated the Hope Scholarship, he added trades to it too. Yeah.

The Hope Scholarship used to exclusively be for intellectual. You know, if you go into college, New York, go to the Founder State, going to UGA or you go to Hope Scholarship. But our boys and girls who wanted to go to trade school left out, He added that. Well, I was an asshole about trades. I was picking them, poking me. He put me in touch with the head of trades. I talked to him, but I still was calling him back.

Governor, I think we need to do this. Right. So if you are politically unengaged, you are a fool. I'm going to just tell you that. No matter who wins, no matter who I campaign for, the day after, I'm going to congratulate the winner and say, okay, what we're going to do to make Georgia better state? Right.

How can I help you? You know, so no matter who ends up being governor, if it's Keish and Lance Bottoms, if it's Michael Thurman, if it's one of the people who want from the other side, I have to. I'm required to, like my grandmother's, say it. You do this because it's what you're supposed to do. You know, you're supposed to have a political voice. Whether it's your city council, whether it's your county commissioner,

whether it's your mayor, whether it's your governor, your congressman, senators, you better make sure you do that because what you don't want to be is without voice. So a lot of people that criticize me, they aren't even Georgians. If you're on a Georgian, I'm not even fucking listen to. You don't even worry about what you're talking about. You're a minority where you live at. Right. Yeah, there's no goddamn minority. We make up 35% of the state in Georgia, we may go just under 50% in Atlanta. What am I going to listen to you for? Not going to listen. You don't even know what it feels like to be the

majority. You don't know what it is to see a black city council. You don't know what it is to only have known black marriage. You got so goddamn happy about Obama you could appease yourself. I ain't never known nothing but black leadership. That's it. My guy. Remainer Jackson and good luck trying to get another with it. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. So I don't have the capacity to tolerate

some of the shit y'all be talking about. Again, all my heroes and enemies look like me. All my my heroes and enemies when I was growing up looked like me. I grew up in all-black neighborhood. My neighborhood wasn't a form of fast street bottom or bottom, which were real neighborhoods in Atlanta. I didn't grow up in the bluff. I ended up buying apartments in the bluff. And the bluff's only two miles from the dawn. As the bluff is changing, I'm a part of that change. I grew up in the Collier Heights. I grew up in these working class people, 900 square foot houses, grew up white with the Russell, who were the

biggest black developers in the nation at the time. That's who I grew up with. I grew up with the people that built the Ford County Stadium in the dome. So then you can't tell me nothing impossible, because I could ride my bike three streets back and see a black house with an indoor tennis court and basketball court. So the fuck you're going to tell me. Nigel, you're talking about your imagination. I'm talking about some shit I've seen for real. You know what I mean?

So I don't listen to y'all Negroes. Just know when you write that kind of shit, I giggle. I roll over my big old bed, my $11,000 bed. You know what that my wife got for $4,000. You know what I'm saying? I wake up and I ya-knit. I look at y'all-knit don't know what y'all talking about. Because you ain't ever seen nothing.

That's why you tend to think it's an impossibility. It can't possibly happen because you've never seen it. Your grandfather didn't tell you about Jack Johnson. So you didn't know you can work no ass. You didn't know who Tiger Flowers is. Tiger Flowers, middleweight champion. They call him the Deacon out of Georgia on the mansion right there in Dixie Hills.

So when you walk by the fire station, you get to read about this man. You never stop to read, nigga. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I read the retchard. I read Franz Fanon. I've read all these books. But I also read, Why Should White Guy Off Have All the Fun?

I've also read some Thomas Sola. I also read some Walt T. Williams. So I read enough to take a look from here, to take a look from there, and to form my own. If you only read and instructive about you read, you're just a clone.

You know, I read that nigga book. He read that book. He didn't do. You never called a bunch of other people to tell me what I can't do. Shut up.

I'm out here doing it. You, professor. Professor, what they say. They say, those who can do do. Those who can't do, those that can't teach. And those who can't, and don't know how to teach teachers.

Talk to me about DEI. That becomes, I've heard a lot of diversity equity includes? Yes. I mean, I think if you can get it, get it. But if you can't, no, just understand you can't and make a way. I think DEI is best served when politically we put the pressure. There are federal grants and laws that should be given to you that aren't giving you right now.

They don't have nothing to do with just overt D.I programs. Because let's say, D.I programs work for white women too. Yeah. They work for immigrant populations. They've got a chance to jump ahead of you and things in that nature. But my thing is whatever you can make work, work. So if D.I is working, work it. But if it ain't working, you got to find something else to work, but work it.

What works better than DEI is having politicians that understand the need for. George Wallace was a white politician. George Wallace was a band who essentially said segregation now forever. George Wallace got shot, and then getting shot, he saw Jesus. Now, he must have saw Jesus was black. Because after that, his administration was black than any other administration before or after. So you didn't have to tell him about DEI because he all of a sudden understood it once being shot. Oh, shit, I need to change my ways and models of thinking.

Black people coming out of slavery were the most skilled workforce in this nation. And they understood capitalism and they understood business in a way that other people didn't. If they didn't, they wouldn't have been able to build things like the Land Life Insurance Company. If they didn't, the blacksmith wouldn't have been able to say to the master well boss, he wasn't called the master no most well boss. You know, I can do the work, we're going to caution now. We understood capitalism when we were still slaves.

So I used to wonder how when they would say, well, how does a family buy their freedom? Well, they rented their own self out on Fridays, I mean on Sundays. Because every land owner wasn't a slave owner. You had some people that were just middle class and working class that were poor class. They didn't have the ability to have an extra set of hands. So those people would then say, hey, if your guy let you work for me on Sunday, I need you on Sunday, you're going to negotiate a price, then you pay your masks out, 60, you keep your 40 percent, you save until you bought your own freedom, bought your wife, feeling,

about children, freedom. So it's not like you don't understand capitalism, but the question becomes how are you going to make it work for you? How are you going to make sure that the gas stations you go to own by you? How are you going to make sure that the dollar is turning in your community beyond your church? You've done it before. I don't have all the answers. But I do know that the guy who does my HVAC lives in the same neighborhood as T.I.

You know, I do know that. I know he makes as much money doing HVAC as we make singing and goddamn dancing. And we have the opportunity to use our minds in this country to advance ourselves in a way that other black folks globally are not, and we should take advantage of that. Now, the companies that don't want to play fair, punish their ass. Punish their ass by not supporting them. I like what Jamal Bryan is done, right or wrong, showing Target, hey, man, I can knock you down a quarter. I like what Ti did with Gucci.

When Chi, when Tia said, hey, man, we're going to knock Gucci down a quarter. They worked. Now, Gucci was smart. They went to got Simone Sanders. They said, hey, Simone, we need you. We need you in that pretty haircut. And your mom, we use some purse. We give you some money.

But Tia showed their ass. He bumped their ass down. And they had to tighten up. So it ain't wrong with showing companies they have to tighten up. You know, ain't nothing wrong with that. Freedom of speech. We saw what happened with Jimmy Kimmel. I guess they didn't agree with the marks that he made about Charlie Kirk,

who tragically lost his life at a rally in Utah. And they took him off the air. Yeah. I think one of the biggest Sinclair said, we're not going to put him back on. But ABC, Disney has reinstated him. Yeah, he should be. Where are we headed with this, Mike? A scary place.

Freedom of speech. If you don't believe in freedom of speech for those you've, vehemently disagree with you don't believe in freedom of speech. And what scared me most about freedom of speech, I think Noam Chomsky said that. But what scares me most about freedom of speech is everybody only wanted for their side. Yes. And I'm pro freedom of speech for all sides. Eric Nielsen wrote a book called Raffon Trial. I wrote the four word for. But we're figuring out maybe putting together two or some sorts because we have to get back in this country to having hard conversations with one another. And that requires freedom of speech.

It requires that I'm going to listen to something I may not like that will make me on uncomfortable. But in listening to that, I'm going to learn or impart of wisdom or that goes both ways. We have reciprocity. But that's what makes this republic different. That's what makes this republic great. Hey, man, I got no problems against Europe. They got some cool museums and old shit over there. They got some nice food a couple places. But I do not like hate speech laws in the United Kingdom. Like, how are you going to give me a hate speech law? You ain't gave me my artifacts from Africa back in. Shit, you're going to make it so I can't even say I want

my shit back. You know what I mean? So I would warn Americans against any restrictions on your First Amendment. Because that restricts you from protesting police officers. That restricts you from congregating religiously. It restricts you from policing and talking down on politicians you may not agree with. It restricts you from public assembly. So I'm going to just say I'd rather have the uncomfortable conversations where we disagree. That's it.

That's it. James Baldwin. Say, we can disagree and still love you. As long as your disagreement isn't draped in my lack of humanity. Come on, man. Come on, man. That's him. That's him.

That's him. That man. I mean, some of the stuff that he said, you, and like, you know, when our grandparents used to talk to us, Mike, I didn't know at the time what they were actually said. It was when I got much older because they talked in parable. They talked in phrases. They didn't come out and say, don't do this. Yep. You know, my grandfather used to say, boy, don't make me chew this.

his food twice. Like, you're going to chew it more than that. Or you're going to show you, your child, but he was saying, don't make him repeat himself. Absolutely, absolutely. Because, they wanted to raise thinkers. They wanted you to understand that this thing that resting between your ears is a tool for you to use, not be used by, don't be used by anxiety, don't be used by pressure, don't be used by overthinking.

Use this tool to look at the problem and solve the problem. And once I've solved the problem once, I don't need to keep revisiting the problem. Trying to save it twice. My grandfather, man, I'm talking about he would tell me, well, what is they learning you in school. And what I realized is over the last 60 years, public schools haven't learned us as much as we should learn because they're not truly trying to raise thinkers. They're trying to raise people that go along with the program. You got people now that tell you what you can and can't say, and they've never read the Bill of Rights. They've never read the United States Constitution.

It's a beautiful document in its aspiration. That means we've always lived up to it, but in its aspiration. You know, there's a brother man, brother named Chad. I like the brother. He's a He's a plumber. I like him, he's a tradesman, but he's an intellectual. But this brother's been going to tell the rant about Dr. King. He's probably going to put this up on a clip, and I hope you do. But I'm saying it's unfair. I support your right to say anything you want to say.

He's very much against Marxism and communism, but he's taking some low blows to me and talking about Dr. King. I say, I wonder who's funded my brother. He's a black man. And the reason I say that is, because you can talk about Dr. King being an alleged perverter, having no orgies, things of that nature. having multiple women. But we are talking about our founding fathers is sex traffickers. Benjamin Franklin had a 13-year-old girl, black girl. Oh, they were in love? No, they weren't.

He was sexually assaulting that girl. She was his property. George Washington owned 300 human beings, and I'm sure took advantage. I sit here right now as a product of Crawford Long's family. Someone in Crawford Long's family had sex with someone that was owned or enslaved, which led to the Long family out of North Georgia, Michael Render's mother's maternal family, and I'm related to Crawford Long, the man who invented anesthesia for the battlefield for civil war. I'm here because of a rape. And if you're going to criticize Dr. King and you don't find time to criticize the so many white men that founded our country, then that tells me that somebody's paying you to do what

you're doing. And although I support your ability, I support your rights to do that, I'm saying that we got to play the guy ain't foul, Bubba. We got to play the guy ain't foul. And we got to say oftentimes great men fall short in the glory of God, but that don't mean they can't be redeemed. And that does not mean that dream isn't a redeeming thing. Because I didn't know Dr. King, but I knew everybody who knew him. I knew Josea Williams.

I know Andy Young. I knew Joseph Lowry. I knew James Orange. And what I know is these men are stoic in terms of the way they lived their life. And as young men, who knows how wild they may have been. But I know that they got older, the wisdom that they gave us as young men and the wisdom that they gave us now is priceless. So as a man, I'm going to fall short. I'm going to make some mistakes.

Right. My wife might show up that $357 one day. But I guarantee you, I guarantee you after I talk to Auntie Debra, I've tightened up, you know what I mean? So I just want to encourage us to while we're defending that First Amendment, but let's make sure that we're looking at the rules fair for everyone. What are some of the changes? I'm going to make you president. You president of the United States. I'm going to give you, you got four years.

Yeah. What you're going to do? Create a reparations plan that's going to get African-American. proper education and trades and intellectual education is going to get African Americans proper financial education. It's going to give them land grants and the ability to own the land of the ancestors along, particularly in the Southeast. 54% of African Americans living in the Southeast, I think that 54% of the investment

should be there. I think that there should be a heavy investment in terms of making sure that that class of people is brought up because when African American economy and the community is doing better, this whole country does better. I would make a pathway to a legal citizenship easier. I would create bilingual classes very early so that we can communicate to one another. I would return trades to high schools on the federal level. I would support that.

I would guarantee trades programs in high schools. I also would guarantee minority businesses, construction, like the Ali construction company down in Georgia, that they can get more federal grants. The construction company I'm telling me about there is the ones who build all the furniture in the Delta VIP lounge, black company. I would make sure that we have a vested interest. I would make sure that public school returns to the greatness of what public schools was in the 30s, 40s and 50s, meaning physical education is important, artistic and music education important, and your reading, writing, arithmetic is important. I try to say, why were we so effective in public education, even all through college in the 50s and 60s, and where did we feel off from? I would take debt out of college.

I would forgive all college debt. I would make state schools more open to state kids again. I would start to support older people in a way that they would be engaged. I would make the retirement age earlier instead of later. And those that didn't have the option of retiring, I would give them some type of government subsidized job where they can help whether it be voting booths or librarians or something. So those are some of the things I would do because I believe when you have a society that can take care of themselves that can make money and turn a dollar, it creates a more effective

society than not. Wow. Upbring. Your mom had you at 16. Yeah. He was raised by your grandparents. Yeah. Talk to me about this.

I mean, you've heard different, like, women can raise men, but they need a... Where are you on this black? Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient. Still using yesterday's tech, upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 Carbon,

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The lady down the street can beach. If you hack it up, Mike, you know, I'm going. I'm going to tell you, I'm going. I'm going. Miss Ophelia, I'm going. boy yes ma'am where you going the candy lady your mama know where you're going yes ma'am hold on she'll go another room and call better better your boy this boy you're out a fat one he going down there to the can't you tell him he can eat some candy okay well i guess you can go on there

while you're gone make sure you brain me it's just like like damn it's off there you could have just asked me to bring you know what I mean so it's like it's I believe in the village concept I remember man jenis getting on me so bad at one time And she said, I'm sorry. You know, Denise is my mom. I said, she said, I'm sorry. I got to be so hard on you, but you're the only son I got. I don't give a second chance.

You know, my grandmother told, Shay one time, she said, she said, she said, she said, he was so bad. She said, I hate I had to beat him so much, but he was so bad. And what she really means I was adventurous, I was curious. I was terrible at times, you know, but she knew that if I didn't impart a certain amount of discipline on this boy, he was going to go, wow. Yes. My grandfather only spanked me once. Shit, he had me cried. Because he, you know, and my grandfather.

Because he didn't expect it from my guy, man. But he was so loving. And I realized him not having a father, having to drop out of school in the third grade, having to work on a sawmill at nine years old to support his sisters and his mother. He understood how to be a father because he had been robbed of that opportunity himself. So he was the best to me and my sisters. I come in the bedroom sometimes because my grandfather was, you know, yellow with the curly hair. My sister had a rat in his hair.

He just sitting there on the bed looking at the Braves guy. I ain't letting them do whatever they want to do. Because he understood that this is bigger than how I'm perceived. You know, anybody. So when it came time for me to have to put all my sister prom dress while my grandma hemmed it, I'm standing out. My buddy's looking at the weather laughing at me. I'm like, I don't care.

This is my sister. I got to do this for my old sister. So for me, I take the village approach, which means mothers. Right. You're going to have to allow your young man if his father is absent via you all don't get along or something. God forbid, death or prison or something, you're going to have to allow the other men that you trust, not just a guy you're dating or you might know, but the guy who's dating you, who says

I'm in with you now. I'm in with you to raise this boy. You're going to have to give him, you're going to have to give him some authority over that boy. If he has an uncle, your brother, you're going to have to get some authority over that boy. You're going to have to get that boy in things like Next Level Boys Academy that Gary's Davis runs, like Bear Strong, which bear from the neighborhood down in College Park. You're going to have to give up because mothering isn't, it's an authoritarian, it's an absolute. I'm your mother.

I made the sacrifice for you. God sent you through me. And we're indebted to that until we not. And then we get wild. I had a call from a friend of mine yesterday. It's like, Mike, I just don't know what to do. These boys, they were in regular school. I took him out.

He had an alternate school. Now I found out he's not going to alternate school. And she said, I'm fearing the worst now, I'm just going to have to put them out. I said, well, let's first sit down. Let's have a talk with him. Let's get him with Gary Davis. Let's have a talk with them at next level. And let's just say, hey, you know, as a mom, I'm so frustrated now.

I don't know what to do with you. I'm about to put you out. And I don't want to put you out, but you're not holding up your end of the bargain. See, it used to be understood in our community. Your bargain was that I brought you a diploma. No matter what happened, your sacrifice requires me to bring you a high school diploma. I'm sure your grandparents said that was that was it, right? Right.

So for me, we have to start to set these regulations back up. And women, Lord knows, I love you to death. But, man, if the government divorced you tomorrow, you wouldn't have nothing but us. See, because the government could divorce you tomorrow. They've shown you that they fired the ones that work for them. It won't be so long before they tighten up on welfare. And I'm not saying every black woman's on welfare, because more white people are on welfare. They call it snap.

They gave the whole new cool name and shit, right? Snap of the hills, they changed the name, your ass at the EBT. I see the white man. It's the goddamn EBT going to like, like, oh, you're getting the welfare too. You know what I mean? So for me, we better start turning inward toward each other. And we better start figuring out how to save these young men. from themselves and that discipline can happen from the village and I think that we have to

return to a village-minded concept Mike when did we when did this happen that we became so envious of one another like Mike got it man I don't know why he got I don't know why he bought that car I don't know why he's doing so well when did that Mike it wasn't like that maybe maybe I didn't see it maybe everybody was like us nobody had any more than anybody else So they couldn't say why he had such and such because they didn't have no running water or no indoor plumbing either. You act like the people who own you. We become too American. You know, American to sell you a dream of rugged individualism and having more through hard work.

But they don't tell you how much they cooperate behind your back. Those state senators in Georgia cooperated. And that's why they got the financial and physical advantage over so many people. Poor black and white underneath them. We have to learn that cooperation is going to be the way again. Envy doesn't bring you. Envy comparison is a thief of joy. Oh, man, I was so happy.

We used to be in Tuskegee the first few days. I'm down. I'm like, we ain't got no goddamn video games. We ain't got no TV. Man, about the third or fourth day, you didn't forgot all that exists because you're just on a farm with your cousins. Hang out. You're free all day.

Running outside with shorts. No shirt all just running. And there's a freedom in that. So I think that I'm going to say that a lot of of the people, most of the people that are telling you how great their life feels on Instagram, a lion and capping and flex. Decide what makes you happy and really, really just decide what makes you happy and aim toward that.

And man, stop comparing yourself to other people. Stop comparing yourself because you ain't had to suffer the suffering they've had to suffer. You don't know what they went through. You don't know what they did to get that. Boy, I heard that so many times in my life. You don't know what they had to do to get it. You know, go listen that song, Jezebel by Shade. Yep.

You know, when she talked about that new dress that woman is wearing it, boy, you never know what she had to do to get it. Oh, bad, looks like a princess in her new dress. Come on, man. How did you get that? Do you really want to know, she said? Do you really want to know? That's what I'm saying.

Everybody got something to say bad about a dancer because they ain't never been forced to dance. But them girls get up there, they do their jobs, man. But, man, them sane girls that be at church. Same girls start their businesses. So don't envy. Don't envy. Envy is a thief of joy. I almost felt myself envy a friend one time.

I checked myself so quick. I literally hadn't go in the bathroom and talk to myself. Like, what's wrong with you? This is your friend. Yeah. Like, what's wrong with you? You know what I mean? Like, I had to have a talk with myself.

But that evil never got back in my ear again. Right. You know? Mike, you had a relationship with your grandmother like I had with mine. Yeah. And I remember when my grandmother was about to leave and I remember coming back in the room and I held in my arm and I said, granny, I got it. Yeah. I said, you don't have to worry about mama.

You don't have to worry about spanking and liby. I got it. Yeah. I said, you've done your job. Yeah. I said, you can go now in peace. Yeah. And probably a week later, she was gone.

But she just needed me to reassure that her baby could hold it down. Because now I'm in charge. Yep. Your grandmother passed in your arm. Yeah, I'm a girl, man. What, I mean, because I slept with my grandmother until I was 15, Mike. Yeah, come on, man. I was going to be a sophomore in high school, and I'm sleeping in the bed.

When my grandfather died, I slept with my grandmother. My brother slept with my grandfather. My grandfather died in 77. I didn't get out of the bed with my grandmother until 83. Yeah, man. Yeah. So what she meant and to see the woman that you love so much that poured everything into you and the life just leaves.

Man, this girl had been trying to get me to believe in the Lord my whole life. Not that I didn't believe. I just had questions. Just like, man. Because you've been an inquisitive kid. Yeah, I'm just like, man, I don't really get it. You know what I'm saying? And I remember we was at Shelter in Arms, man.

Shouts out to that organization at take care. My daughter, Mikey, went there, now she's fresh than a half. She was there having a Black History Month, because it's a, she died in a leapier last day. And the guy told us we had to park down and walk up. I said, Mom, you should? I said, I could dry you up. No, no, I'm fine. And we walked, we got about halfway up the hill, man.

I said, she thought her name was too plain. It was Betty with an I-E. So I called the Beatrice. I said, that's fancy enough for you, you beatrice. I said, Beatry. I'll take him. She said, no, I won't walk. And we walked, we got by half up the hill, but we had just had an argument.

I picked up, and I'm taking her down there, and her mother had gotten married. And her mother was married to a solid dude. You know, he was kind of a dude coach football, and he had actually coached my youngest son, Pony, and he was involved in kids in the community. So I like them enough. I told him, you know, if we're going to both father this child, we have to have a relationship. You know, he ain't going to just get to be over my daughter and we're going to talk. We got to chop it up.

You're my friend now, Bob. Right. I asked my grandma, I say, why are you talking to me about being married? You know what I mean? She said, well, I've been thinking. I'm like, what you've been thinking? Why don't you just let him adopt her? I mean, you got three other kids.

I lost my goddamn mind. I lost my mother's mind. I said shit to my grandma. I said, what you're talking about? I'm talking to the woman that raised that used to beat my ass with switching. I'm like, what? Like, what do you?

I finally figured my life out. I finally got stable. I've gotten married. I have this. I can take care of them. I can do this now. And after I went on a rent, she said something she never said.

My grandmother, if she did something wrong, she said, I beg your pardon. You know, I beg your pardon. But she said, I hurt your feelings. I said, yeah, mom and I'm having the cry. I said, well, you're going to say something like that. I said, mother, her name's Michael. The other

gonna raise Michael. You know what I mean? I'm looking like, I'm gonna let another her name can't be nothing but Michael Rinda. She said, I'm sorry. And we rolled there and the guy struck us we had to walk up. And when she got up the hill, she looked at me and she looked past me

and she's seen something. And I just couldn't take my eyes off of her, but I knew I was witnessing in that moment. something and when she's saying something she smiled and she looked back at me and she smiled and she put her arms around and she was gone i was by myself i was in the present just that quick it was that quick i was in the presence but that moment of my in my spirit my mother because my grandmother raised me i was in that moment with her and with our creator and then she looked looked at me. And it was as though she said, I've done my job. I've done my job and I've gone.

And I remember attempting CPR on them. And then it was just like the spirit that came over me and just say, I got her. She's gone. And since that day, I have not stopped working. Since that day, blessings have not stopped pouring in since that day. And that day made me a believer that I am here for a purpose. I don't know that purpose, but I know I have one. I know I'm on a journey set forth by righteous and divine being. And man, I tell you, with the other absurdity of having a mother that's only 16 years older than you, my mother told me in the funeral car, as we're going to the gravesite, she spassed on me,

on my uncle who's autistic, on everybody. Me and Shay in the car, she's like, that shit went foul. You got to be with my mama when she was dying. And I was like, I didn't want the fucking job. So Denise was used to be cursing. Like, I didn't want the fucking job. Like, she said, it ain't there. You think that's your mama.

I'm your mama. And one day, I'm going to be gone. And you're going to realize that. And God damn it, she died on me. She died on me like six, seven years later. And when she died on me, it hit me that my mother at 16 years old made a decision like the woman in the parable of Solomon when they came before two women said this is my child and Solomon said well cut them

in half and give each half and the one who was really the mother said no no I give this child to you because it'll be better raised and that's when I realized man I'm so blessed I'm so blessed My grandmother was such a good mother to me. She was such an impression that I had, I found a woman and married a woman that was just like her. She was, her and my grandfather gave the second half of their life up to raise me. So you compliment my intelligence.

You complimenting them. You compliment an illiterate man from Edenton, Georgia, who would sit me in his lap and say, read to me. You compliment the girl from a big family that on land in Tuskegee that said, I'm going to take. these kids and show them that it isn't about material stuff, but it's about what's in your head and your heart. You took that. But a 16-year-old girl said that I'm going to allow my mama to raise his baby because he'll have a better shot. Oh, man, that's what I really realized.

Like, I realized that God favors me. And my mother was a part of that favoring because as much as a mother as my grandmother was, the choice to give me up to her by my mother is probably the most important decision that's ever been made for me. And I wish, you know, LaCray got me here tip on a song now called out of headphones. And if my mother really did have headphones right now in heaven, I just tell us, thank you. Just thank you so much. I tell people that same story. My grandmother, my mom, sending my brother, my sister, and myself to my grandmother.

And my grandmother raising my mom's three. and loving my mom's three more than she loved her own. I say sometimes the best decision that doesn't involve you. And people don't understand. Sometimes you can only under, sometimes things can only be seen through the eyes that have cried.

I know this story because I lived there. You know my story because you lived it. Amen. And you have a greater appreciation. Because there ain't no question in my mind. Your grandmother loved you more than she loved her own kids. And that's why your mom said what she said. Boy, boy, I get it.

I understand. That's all I wish I could. I understand. What's next with Killer Mike? I don't know. I just know God got somewhere for me to go. It's my job to be dressing, show, and ready. You know, I know that I have things to fulfill with people I love that I made promises to.

I know that ultimately my promise is to the person I look in the mirror and I say I'm going to do this for you I know that Shay and I have someone to go and grow I know my children I got to make sure they can take care of themselves before I get out of here I pray that I'm around to see grandchildren and great grand so I'm 25 more pounds down I'm out to 300 clubs so that's what did you try to get that too I was up the family 420 I'm down to 325 now so you're going to get on the 3 that's the go get on the 3 that's the go get on the 3 tighten up like My girl said, you got to start cooking, Shea. You can be cooking. But I, um... Help me, my helper, brother.

I'll give you this. In the immediate, I want y'all drinking this, because this is really good. And Elle and I worked hard. In the immediate, I want you all to listen to me on Conversate, because I'm talking about some real things. In the immediate, I'm going to put up a newsletter soon and place about this. I want y'all to, if you can't get to the swag shop, get some products. In the immediate, I'm going to keep truth-telling.

I'm going to keep, I'm about to go in. We're about to make another Michael. If Elle is in Amsterdam and he calls. me and says, hey, man, I got all the beats from running Jewel's 5. I fly to Amsterdam, and we'll get that done. But I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. And ultimately, it's what my grandmother said. I'm going to keep doing good, and I'm going to keep doing what I'm supposed to do.

Kill a mite, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. That appreciate that. That was excellent. That was excellent. My life, sacrifice, hustle paid the price, want to slice, not to roll a dice, that's why I'm all my life, I've been grinding all my life. Ah, come on, why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient. Still using yesterday's tech, upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, Ultra Light, Ultra Powerful, and built for serious productivity with Intel Core Ultra Processors, Blazing Speed, and AI Power Performance.

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