Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Memphis Bleek Part 1

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup!  Memphis Bleek joins Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay to perform a track from his new album Apartment 3D before diving into his journey from the Marcy Projects in Brooklyn to hip-hop history. Raised by a single mother and stepfather, Bleek recalls growing up watching his mom struggle and his determination to change his family dynamic. At first, he thought basketball, baseball, or even art would be his path, until writing lyrics became his true calling. Growing up in the same building as Jay-Z, his first job was walking Jay’s nephews to school for $100 a week. He shares memories of the projects, losing friends, and respect for older generations who disciplined kids whether related or not. Bleek reflects on idolizing Nino Brown before Jay-Z told him to quit hustling and focus on music. Though not blood brothers, he says Jay-Z raised him alongside Dame Dash, Biggs, Clark Kent, and cousin Bee High. He explains why Brooklyn breeds stars like The Notorious B.I.G., Lil’ Kim, Fabolous, Big Daddy Kane, ODB, Joey Bada$$, and Pop Smoke. He remembers meeting Biggie during the “Brooklyn’s Finest” session with Jay-Z and visiting Biggie’s New Jersey mansion with elevators and Land Cruisers, which inspired him to believe success through music was possible. He admits his pen was never as sharp as Jay-Z, Biggie, Nas, or Tupac, and recalls being devastated by Biggie’s death. He describes Jay-Z’s life in the projects as “royalty” with an air conditioner, waterbed, and white carpet. His mother was best friends with Jay’s sister, and Bleek always knew Jay was destined for greatness. Watching Jay-Z evolve into a businessman, he says Hov has long planned to retire from rap and hasn’t felt challenged since Eminem, Big Pun, Biggie, and Tupac. Bleek recalls freestyling for Jay-Z during the Reasonable Doubt era, seeing Jay write “Sunshine” in 30 minutes, and realizing he was hand-picked. Reasonable Doubt changed Bleek’s life, giving him money to support his mom and allowing him to buy a house in New Jersey at 17. Bleek admits to losing focus, skipping sessions to chase women until Jay stopped working with him for a year. His mother’s guidance saved his career, and he never missed another session. He saw Jay grind—begging DJs to play records, selling Roc-A-Fella to Def Jam for $10M, then chasing the Forbes list until becoming a billionaire. Beanie Sigel’s signing pushed Bleek to prove himself, and he went gold with his debut album. He reflects on envy from friends, wasted years, and the advice he’d give young stars: chase money, not girls, and don’t glorify violence. Bleek credits Dame Dash with saving him from a bad management deal but explains why Jay-Z will never “save” Dame now. He recalls Roc-A-Fella’s breakup, calling it the worst day of his life, caused by egos, lack of focus, and fights over credit. He names Roc-A-Fella the greatest rap label ever, with Cash Money, Death Row, No Limit, Ruff Ryders, and Def Jam rounding out his top five. He shares Kanye West memories, Rihanna’s early career, and calls Rihanna an anomaly. He talks about rap beefs from Tupac vs. Biggie to Kendrick Lamar vs. Drake, praising “Not Like Us” as the greatest diss record he’s ever seen. Bleek recalls turning down beats like Joe Budden’s “Pump It Up,” Barbara Streisand quoting him in a diss to Donald Trump, and being starstruck by Michael Jackson. He performed for Nelson Mandela, worked with Destiny’s Child, Rihanna, and Missy Elliott, and says Beyoncé is the closest thing to Michael Jackson. He praises Kevin Hart as the funniest person he’s met, likening him to Eddie Murphy, and remembers hanging with Nick Cannon, Serena Williams, and Meagan Good. Bleek shares lessons about money, family, and loyalty, admitting cars and jewelry were wasted purchases. He agrees with Fat Joe that rappers live paycheck to paycheck and opens up about marriage, fatherhood, and why focusing on friendships hurt his career. He says Jay-Z always has his back but egos destroy empires. From Marcy Projects to Roc-A-Fella Records, Memphis Bleek’s story is one of loyalty, lessons, and legacy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He lucky it was on Instagram So I'd have seen him He'd have met the real me He wasn't in Met Memphis Bleak. That's personal Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Sheshay I am your host Shannon Sharp

I'm also the proprietor of Club Shethe Stopping by for conversation of the drink today, all away from the Marcy Projects in Brooklyn, a renowned figure in the music industry. He's been in the game for over three decades, a gold-selling rapper, a music label executive, an entrepreneur, and a businessman. And he's one of the first artists signed to the fame Rockefeller label. Here he is, a hip-hop heavyweight all the way from the BK, Memphis Bleak. Yeah, yeah, you know what it is, yours truly. Memphis Bleak in the building, Club Shay, Shay. A rock in the building, you know it's hot in the building.

We got to do what we do, baby. Album out now, apartment 3D. Let's get to it, man. Marijuana is with the smoke. Shout out my whole crew. Mind right, exotics. Duce, Ace gang. Rock solid, rock nation, baby.

Yeah, let's get to it. Rising stars and alchemy. Yes, yes. Yours truly. Empleat. number one greatest rap group in the world rock for fellow records

only the star will survive yes yo the games like blizzard where you've been hiding that I've been multiply adding and dividing that my whole team chewing ain't no denying that

you said it's your block where we thinkin' that I should charge you a fee for this boss talk when you play this mp3 it should cost more I give you this one here for the love money.

That project wanted to show me how to rinse the drug money. I used to move the white on that New York shit. That John Snow, real king of the north shit. My business stretch out on the west end. Clubs I will vest in.

Now I'm trying to invest in. Yes. King design. Yes. King. On my mind. Money. Get it.

All the time. All the time, baby. King. King. Yeah. All my mind. Let's get to it. Well, the life.

Yes. All the time. Hey, yo, that duce moving like it's the Nile River. That mind right smoking can blow a pound with us. Don't mention me until you zicking bought something fronting with another in the bread that should cost something. You lucky is free for you to gossip. Because if it costs it, explain why you ain't got shit.

You watching my moves, I hope you learn something. Ziggins say they're spinning, well, don't make us you turn something. Yeah, they're throwing shots in the little. If I catch a case, then it better be in spirit. Yes, you know the Roseo or the ex-o. I get the game started like an indigress go. Let's go. King design.

Yes. On my mind. All the time, baby. Yes. It's the rock for life. King design. All my mind. All the time.

Well, the life. Yes. All the time. Let's go. Duce Mafia, baby. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by prize picks. You and I make decisions every day, but on prize picks, being right can get you paid.

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Want a slice. Got to roll. a dice, that's why, all my life, I've been grinding on my life. Look, all my life, been grinding all my life, sacrifice, muscle paid the price, want to slice. Got to roll a dice, that's why all my life, all my life. My brother, what's up, man? I'm good, bro.

I'm good. How you being, man? You're great, man. No complaints. I want to thank you for performing. You know, that's something that we're trying to add to club station, try to have it a more intimate experience. Guys come on and they can rap.

or ladies that can sing. We have them to perform. So, man, I really appreciate you. First of all, taking time out of your busy schedule and then performing on Club Shays here, so I really, really appreciate that. It's an honor, man. Plus, I got a project just dropped,

so I had to perform something. Shout out my girl Tish Heimann on that record. Right. You look, I know you're a duce guy. Yes, man, yes. But I wanted you to try mine. This is Shade by La Portier. It's a cognac.

I see you got two different. Yeah, yeah. You know, I had a procedure this morning, so they told me they advised me not to do no drake with the anesthesia skill of my sister. Health and wealth, brother. Congratulations with everything you've been able to do and continue success. Thank you, my brother. Let me look your thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not bad.

Yeah, that's a V-SOP. Hey, we won like 13, 14 awards. The SIPA awards, which is the highest award you can win in the spirits industry, which is a blind taste test. They put all the cognates on the thing and they just let people sample them. And they say, you know what? I like C, and come to find out. That was yours. See was us.

Oh, that's what so. Congratulations, man. That's always great. Yes, the liquor space is not easy, man. It is not. It's a three-tier system. It ain't just, well, you know, bleak, hey, man, I like to sell that to my store. Nah, no, no, no, no, bro, you don't go through that.

That's right. You got to go through a distribution. Yeah, that's right, man. It's levels. You got to grow, graduate. Like, it just steps to this thing. You got to market it, and you got to be at there. You got to be front and center.

A lot of times, a lot of times celebrities or entertainers or whomever try to I think just slapped their name on it. And it's going to go. No, we won't. No, it's going to sit right there on that shelf. Sit right there on the shelf. So thank you for coming by. Let's get right into it.

Ubringing, the Marcy Projects in Brooklyn. Yes. What was the family dynamic in your household? Single mother, of course, you know, father wasn't there. But I had a great stepfather, you know, my stepfather passed away. Derek, he raised me, my brother, and then my sister came along. But mom was the backbone of the family, you know. She did everything.

your mom struggle. I just knew, like, it's not the way life going. And it got to be another side to this, you know what I mean? So I just knew I'm going to change our aspect of life in this household. I knew that was my destiny. I was destined for that. What was, did you have an idea of how you were going to change that dynamic? Because a lot of time, you know, what am I going to do because I see my mom or I see my father struggling? And the last thing I want to do is struggle as a child and then struggle as an adult. Did you have an idea what it was going to take for you to break that cycle. Every kid wanted to be an athlete.

So, of course, I thought I was going to be a basketball player. Oh, you go who? Yeah, then I thought I was going to be a baseball player. Football wasn't in my car. Okay. Like, we didn't have those programs in Marcy. You know what I mean? It was mainly baseball and basketball, but that didn't work.

Then I tried to do art, you know, do art. I'd even add a little gymnastics in my, you know. Damn! Yeah, so I tried everything. And then when I put the pen to the paper, magic happened. Like, that's when the magic just happened. So, and it worked. Give me growing up in the projects in Brooklyn.

Give me some of your fondest memories. Give me a couple of your fondest memories about growing up in the housing project. Oh man, growing up in the housing projects is love. Like one of my fondest memories is love. Like everybody in my building from the first floor, six floors in the building. And in my building, 534, you know,

Jay lived in the same building as me on the fifth floor. I lived on the third. The number one thing I remember from then is the love we had in our building. from everybody, from people, grandmothers, the mothers, the aunts, cousins, sons, and, you know, that was what it was. My first job was taking Jay nephews to school for $100 a week. I'll sign up for that.

Yeah, straight up. So, you know, like the memories of the projects, all I got is good memories until you get older and then, you know, you start losing friends. Right. It changes everything. You mentioned about the love and the projects. The one thing I remember about growing up, and I think, Bleak, I'm a little older than you, But there's a certain level of respect that young people had for older people.

Yes. It was an older, even if it wasn't a family member, they could correct a child. Yes. If they say, son, don't talk like that. Son, why are you doing that? Your mama or your grandma be so disappointed. Now you can't correct nobody's child. No, no, no, no.

You don't tell my such and such what. And there's some of these kids that's super disrespectful. Correct. You're kidding me? They don't even want correction from their parents, let alone an outside parent. Growing up, I had about five mothers. Exactly. And all of them could discipline you.

If you stepped out of line, not only would they discipline when your mom or your dad got help. They tell. That's right. And then it was on. It was on, man. Like, that was the thing. Like, people, you know, you ran from other parents more than the police or other kids or anything. It was the parents you hid everything from.

So that was it. This rapping thing, that was, you say, once I put pen to paper, that's when the magic. And I was like, okay, this is what I'm going to do. But you kind of got a little side. track, you started moving a little something, a little something, something. Yes, I remember a day I was in the building, actually thinking I was going to be Nino Brown. And Jay came through, like, you know, he's like, you know, what you doing?

And I'm like, you know, I'm trying to get money. I'm trying to be like, y'all. Like, you know, lights off in the crib. I got to make sure my mind is straight. And he's like, let me see what you're working with. So I show him my pack like, yeah, I'm getting money. He took it and threw it. We had this thing called an incinerator.

Right. It was the trash shoot. Yeah. And he threw it in there. So I'm like, yo, bro. I need it. that. Like, that was a thousand-dollar pack. I needed it. And he was like, man, don't be out. He gave me a thousand dollars pocket. It was like, I better not catch you in the

building selling drugs no more. You got a better future than this. Damn. Straight up. You know, and we're going to get to it, but you mentioned Jay a lot. I've seen some of your interviews and when you talk, you talk about Jay, even though you guys are not blood brothers, you guys are almost, your guys are like brothers. And sometimes that relationship is a lot closer than blood relationship. Yes, like Jay, I honestly say Jay and his cousin, Bihai, Biggs and Dame Dash, rest in peace, Clark Kent,

they raised me. The man I am sitting here today is because of those men. Like growing up around them, their tutelage, especially Jay and Jazz O at first when I first was growing up, putting pen to paper, I used to ask them for all kinds of advice. They always was there and gave me a helping hand in the friendly air. What is it about Brooklyn? Biggie, Lil Kim, Jay-Z, Fav, Big Daddy, K, MC, Like, ODB, Jem after Jay,

Joey Badass, Papoos, Pop, Spock, Spock, Smoke, most different. What is it about Brooklyn that bred so many? It's just, I think it's the vibe, like what you call, the style. Because each of those artists you name have their own style. Very different. No one sounds alike. So it's what they bring to the game, their area, the culture they was born, up in, and Brooklyn is so diverse where, you know, you got the Jamaicans, you got the Mexicans,

you got the Haitians, you got the Puerto Ricans, you got the Dominicans, and you got the blacks, and we all mixed in one pot, and all them coaches come together, and you get different styles that breathe from that. So all these artists was just expressing their struggle and their style, and that's what made Brooklyn, I think, so dynamic with artists. Is B.K. the best, burrow? Of course, hands down. The biggest, the biggest borough, remember, we were.

She was our own city before we became part of New York City. Right. We had the Brooklyn Dodgers. Brooklyn was his own city. Right. So Biggie, what would that? So how did you meet Biggie? Oh.

I met Biggie in the studio session. Okay. With Jay when he came to do Brooklyn Finest. Okay. You know, and that was my first time meeting him. And then I met him again out of interaction. That was when I saw him. I didn't speak to him there.

My first interaction with him was at the show in Apollo. Okay. When him and Jay had a show on Apollo, and I remember telling Biggie, you know, when I get my album, dog, I need you on it. He's like, of course, I got you. Brooklyn, I got you all the time. But, of course, we never made it to that far. Right.

Man, so what's your favorite memory? Although it was brief, what is your favorite memory of Biggie? Oh, man, my favorite memory of Biggie is where I remember being in Jersey. This when they first bought these homes at Hackersack. They had elevators in it. No, I was fresh in the projects. So to see a house with an elevator inside. side of it was like, these guys

getting astronomical figures, like this was brand new to me. Then they had the land cruises with the Eddie Bauer lever. And I remember he let little Cs driving. I'm like little s- Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL

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I gotta have a talk with you. So, like, you know, stuff like that, just seeing them as the first like and really come up from the same era, same struggle I didn't see where he took it was just like the motivation and inspiration I needed as a kid. I'd say Biggie

Noriega and Capone, Jay-Z, they was the people I saw and was like, they live in like this. I definitely need to make a record. Is it, look, and I tell people and people after me, my brother, I was like, when I saw him go to college, I was like, I can go to college. He slept

why I slept. He ate what I am. That's right. So I can do it. When he went to the league. I was like, well, we came up in the same household. We ate the same thing. We lived the same way. I can do it. Was it that way when you were big? You're like, well, damn, I grew up around here with Big. I grew up around here with Hove. I grew up around here with some of these guys. If they did it, I could do it. No. No. No. I knew my pen was strong, but it's not big of your Jay-Z strong. Right. I just was hoping to make my mark. Right. But watching them, they're legends, man. Like, it gets no better than Biggie Z. Two-Py.

nods like where you go from there I feel like they said everything only thing you could say is find a way to say the things they said in a different way right but those are the greatest pens on the paper like I just wanted to be a part of the history I didn't where were you when you found out that Biggie had passed so young so I mean he I mean the you know obviously he was out there promoting the life after death he had the notorious VIG I think that was his first album and so so young and boy you like man yeah he here yes i was in i was in brooklyn i like i was in the projects in marcy and i remember when they hit the news i remember that day and i was just heartbroken

devastated i couldn't believe it it took me a while to adjust to even accept the news i was like no way they have to have it wrong right no way you have too much security for that to me it was like so unreal and then being a rapper we never thought like the rap in the streets can emerge yes like that so that was the first time really knowing, noticing that, hey, this rap thing can really take a U-turn and put you right back where you're trying to get away from. You know what I mean? So that's what really broke my heart because we was trying to get away from that.

And, you know, you make all this money, showcase your talent, do all of this, and still to go out on some negative street violence is just, like, devastating. Wow. You said Jehovah living like a king in the project. He had a waterbed. Flat screen TV. I mean, not flat screen. You had the floor model TV.

Yeah. First of all, to have an air conditioner in the projects, your money was different. Your money was different because everybody had a fan. Had a fan in the winter. Yeah, with a squirt bottle just to get the water breeze on you. Yeah. So to go in his room and the air conditioner, waterbed, everything on white, the white carpet, I'm looking in there like, I need to find out what he's doing.

I want to be a part of that. Right. And that's what changed my whole, I'm not flipping, I'm not drawing, I'm not playing basketball. I'm not doing none of that. I want to do what he doing. Right. I've had some young celebrity, teenage celebrity. I had Biow Wild talk to Chris Brown, had Megan Good, I had Coco Jones, I had Kiki Palmer.

And they say they met some resentment, some jealousy, having success, having to go to school and people looking at them, they can see them on TV, they're on the written, you know, they're in the movies and so forth and so on. Did you experience any of that? No, man, in school, I used to tell my teachers, I'm going to make more money than you. So these lessons don't mean nothing. Teach, I don't need this test today. I'm going to be richer than you.

Now, I remember my teacher used to be like, what do you think you're going? I'm like, trust me, this music thing going to work. And they used to be like, do you want to pull your eggs in the music? Good luck. That's why teach, trust me. I'm going to make it. And then the more resentment you get, I feel like when you become success,

it really comes from your environment. Yes. The people who know you. Right. And they just feel like, why him, not me. Right. So it really didn't come from the outside or like school or anything. It came from the kids that I call my friends.

That you really knew. Yes. It changes everything, man. Success. changes everything. You mentioned that and you always speak glowing about a whole. What is it?

What was it about you and him? What connected y'all? Families. My mother and his sister was best friends, you know? Oh, okay. Like, so when we first moved to the projects, I was two years old. My mother said the first person she met was Mickey, which is Michelle

Jay's sister. Okay. And they became best friends, so it's no age where I know I met Jay. I just always knew it. That's Jay. And, you know, and I always knew he was doing the music thing running around with Big Daddy Kane at the time with Jazzo. Jazzo. Jazzo is the first rapper. You know, out of Marcy really have a record deal. And I just knew I wanted to be, I wanted to get a ride on that train. Like, wherever that train going, I need to be a passenger. Right. You look at where he's come from. And he doesn't really do a whole lot of music. Now, he'll jump on a track here and there, But he's more known outside of what, you know, the Doucet brand and build up his Acese Spade and building up what he's been able to do.

So music is, that's still the backbone of what it is, but it's not at the forefront of what he does. Yes. Like, Jay always been in the business, man. And if you go back to his first album, second album around that time, he always was talking about retiring after his first album. Then he was like, I'm going to retire after the second album. He never wanted to do this and be this glamorous superstar. to be the biggest businessman. So that's why if you see, music is

the backbone, but his business is his personality. You know what I mean? That's who he is, the businessman, and that's what overshadows the music. So now I feel like it's to a point, Jay needs to be challenged to do music and not, I feel like not saying that like somebody need to

diss him or competition. He just feels like there's no one on his level. Like, until someone like when Eminem was making music, pun was making music, Biggie, Tupac, those guys, he had competition and be like, oh, I got to be number one. It's no competition for Jay now.

Wow. Unless he want to battle me. Well, let me ask you this. Because there's a lot been said, you know, he has a prominent role with the NFL. Yes. And he is responsible for bringing acts for the halftime show. And he's never going to be able to, he's never going to be 100%.

Because if they bring Memphis Bleak, why didn't you bring this guy? That's right. If you bring that guy, why didn't you bring this? That's right. It's always going to be that. It's always going to be something. You can never please everybody. What is it that the internet get wrong about Hove?

Is that they think he do things personally. That he, like, you know, of course, they think, like, he pulled the names out the hat and be like, oh, not that guy, I don't like him. Right. I didn't like his album or he did this about me. And it's never about that. It's about the best situation for business. Sometimes business decisions hurt the ones you love, hurt your friends. But at the end result, is it better for business?

and that's the decision you have to make. It's no friendness. It's business. You're absolutely right. You freestyle for Jay on Reasonable Dock. How did that come about? Oh, rest of peace, Clark Kent. It was them walking through the projects, you know,

and I'm sitting on the bench just hot summer day. And, you know, they pull up on the Lexus, new Lexus. They ain't even out yet. Paper plates. And I'm like, man, I got to find out how to get involved with these guys. Right. So I'm like, yo, I rhyme, man. I get busy.

I got to hear me out. So Clark Kent was like, Jay First was like, yo, you rhyme. Get out of here. You never told me that. I'm like, yeah, Clark was like, me hear something. And then I rhymed for them. And that's when they was like, and Clark was like, yo, he might be good for this record.

And the rest is history from there. Did you practice that? No. Right off the cuff. Yeah, right there. I always used to write rhymes just sitting outside with my friends. And when I put my mind to something as a kid, I knew that's what I wanted to do.

Like, I didn't know this was going to be. from rap. I just wanted to be the best rapper from Marcy. Right. But even though you said you was always putting the paper yourself and you doing what you did, but the opportunity, because you never knew when Jay and DJ Clark Kent

was going to roll up or somebody was going to roll up and they need you to spit something. That's right. See, you know, people say luck, luck is what happened when preparation meets opportunity. That's right. If you're prepared, the opportunity to presented itself. Clark Kent and Hove came scrolling through. That's right. You was prepared. I was ready. I was ready.

Because I always, always wrote rhymes, and then I had a friend, you know, used to take me to talent shows, rest of peace, guy named Sambric, used to play the major instruments from my projects. That's who always used to take me the shows, talent shows, and everything. And he's the first person put in my head. If you ain't 10 minutes early, you're 10 minutes late. Wow. So I live off that. But you was surprised that you learned that Jay wrote your verse in such a short period of time. He didn't even write it.

Like, he gave me a piece of paper. We went to the house and he ripped a piece of paper right out of notebook and was like, yo, as fast as you remember this is as fast as your life would change. I'm like, what? Okay, I went downstairs, rewrote on a piece of paper. Probably like an hour later, I caught him, yo, I'm ready. He like, you remember it already? I'm like, I'm ready.

We went to Clark King crib that day. That's how fast I. Because, bro, what was happening in my projects, in my apartment. You had to get a party there. Yeah, I was eating surer bread, man. Come on, bro. I know. I know what man-a sandwiches?

Yeah, catch up on your rice. Come on, it's time to go. I can imagine. You know, I'm old enough to remember, and I saw Michael Jordan play. I saw Kobe play. Obviously, I've seen LeBron and Steph Curry play. I saw Michael Johnson run. I can imagine what it would be like to see Usain Boat or see Simone Biles or Michael Phelps in their craft.

Greatness, personified. Yes. Now you get an opportunity to see Hove. And everybody talks about Hove. I think it was a DJ Callage said, you know, sent him a beat. And he's like, and the holy's just like, wrote nothing. He ain't writing nothing down. He just nod in his hair.

Tell the engine in there to go in there. And let's go. Just like that. I seen Jay write a whole song from the time we was in the, like we had the house. This when he lived in 560 State Street. The limo picked us up to go to the airport. JFK probably a good 30 minutes from downtown, 40 minutes with traffic. From door to airport door, he wrote the whole song.

song Sunshine in the car. They didn't say one word. We got out the car. He's like, y'all got a whole song and we laid it down in Virginia. Like 30 minutes, whole record. I'm telling you, I haven't seen this man. I knew. That's why when you say, when you look at somebody and you say if he did it, I could

do it. No, I knew. I can't do that. He was handpicked by the angels, man. His path was, it was no way because it was like one day everything just changed and it was so easy for him. So he's what you would call. Like, you know, young kid, they say prodigy.

Savant, he's destined to be that. That's how I saw him. He always been like, well, how people view him today, billionaire hove, he was always that to me growing up in the projects. I didn't have 10%, 1% of what he had. How did reasonable doubt change your life? It changed everything, the whole complexion of everything. But when it dropped, I didn't realize it was changing it for this.

Because back then, success to me was having all the girls in Brooklyn. You know what I mean? I didn't care about the money was like, okay, let's give some money to mom, make sure the bills is paid. But I didn't see life really outside of Marcy yet. So I thought I was the neighborhood superstar. That's why I missed the second album. So if you asked me, reasonable doubt, did good.

It helped and ruin my life, but put me on the right track. You get money. From that, I'm considering you probably got a little break. had more money than you had ever had, ever seen in your life. Of course, yes. What was the first thing you did with it? First thing I ever did when I went and bought a house. Because I always wanted a backyard, pool.

You know what I mean? I wanted to do that. So 17 years old, I went to purchase a house in New Jersey. Damn. That was my first thing I bought with my money. Then I moved my mom to New Jersey with me. And then, you know, I went bought a couple cars. Right.

You know. You're stunting. You've got a stunt. I already got the crib, got the pool in the backyard. I took care of mom. Now it's time to get the cars and pull back up to these high schools. So now you got a car, you in Jersey, took care of mom. Now are you starting to notice there's more envy, there's more resentment starting to be aimed at your direction?

Yes, from loved ones, from friends, family members that think why not me, why you know, cousins and aunts are thinking, yeah, you should buy me a house too. It's like, huh, you don't even pay your rent. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

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Might want to go back to the Dr. At the Colts Stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing. forward on that yeah i thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well for generations we're just here trying to enjoy it we hope you all will join us throughout the year and let's go i hope i'm as youthful as pete carroll is at his age he's a young 73 he is a young 73 he is spry i wouldn't fight him i i would listen NFL cover zero with matt jones and drew franklin on the i heart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Right. You can't maintain a house. You know what it takes? People think. Like, what it takes? People think. The upkeep. Yes. They think it's just the mortgage. They don't understand when that roof leak. There's no landlord to call.

That toilet stop. There's nobody to call. You got to have that cash on deck. Yeah. Because a lot of times people expect you to give them, take care. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, I buy somebody a car. Now they expect to me when the tires, Changed the ties, yes.

Oh, it needs to be service. Hey, you will take care of service? Yes. No, no, bro, that's you. That was a one-time thing. You must maintain the upkeep. And a lot of people, they don't even know what they ask for. They don't even know they're asking for a bill.

When they ask for these things, a house, a car. It's like, okay, you're asking for a bill. I hope you can maintain these things. No, they can't. They expect you to maintain it. Yes. You learn a lot about people, Memphis, Bleak, when you say no. That's right.

As long as you're saying they fed a baby. They love you. They love you. The one time you say no, you're the biggest enemy in the world. Yeah. And it's cool. I've been the enemy for a long time. After 50, yes, it's one no.

You're the biggest enemy in the world. Changes everything. Oh, my goodness. School. So what, now you're 17. I think you probably still. Oh, no, I left school. You left?

I left. I got up out of there. School couldn't hold you. Yeah, it wasn't. I learned everything I needed, man. You know, fundamentals, read, writing, math. Yeah. You know, comprehension.

Social studies, it was nothing. nothing else to learn and I got a hundred and fifty thousand dollar check it was like it's no looking what I need in there I'm out yeah yeah I'm making more than the teacher they yeah it was it was not like it was nothing to do I'm gone I see y'all later I read when you missed the biggie tour yes how did that have becoming too big headed after reasonable doubt I thought I was a superstar like I said I got a little bit of money family good I'm thinking everything is cool I don't need nothing else I'm I made it this is this is the peak of success so then Jay used to be calling me to go to the studio that's

to tell my mom's telling him I'm not here. Damn. That's old. That's your man. I should tell him I'm not here. I don't want to go to the studio today. I'm good. I got a couple girls coming over.

Forget the studio. So, yeah, and you know, Mom, she like, Jay, he in the room with some chick-ass. And Jay pulled up. I never forget. He kicked my girls out. Get out of it. And I know he asked me, he had to talk with me.

Like, this is what you want to do? If you want to be in the projects with these girls, he's like, bro, I'm rich. I'm trying to give you the opportunity to change your life to change life in this apartment. I want to bring you with me, but if this is what you want to do, cool, I'll leave you here to do it.

And left, and I can see Jay for probably like a year two after that. He went on a tour, we dropped another album, and I didn't even know contact, nothing. And it was one day I'd seen him in the projects and planned my story, and I haven't missed another session or anything since that day.

Your mom really saved your career, your life. Yes. Even though she dimes out. Your mom dismissed on you for a minute. Yeah, yeah. She definitely dimmed. me out, but she helped me out. She knew. He was on the road to know. He was on the path headed nowhere. Has Jay always been this mature? He seemed like he was, he's a little older

than you. I'm sure. Yes, yes, yes. He's older to me. But he's always like focused on yeah, okay, all this. I want this, this, this and this. But this is, this is a journey. That's not my destination. Yes. Like always, bro. Like I say Jay was a prophet and he still is. Like, He see things and talk things into fruition. Like if you look, if you listen to the song, what's the song, it's where Irv Gotti, God bless Irv Gotti, your customer. Listen to the beginning line. He said, it's the eventual triple platinum rapper with the solid gold fete.

What rapper starts a verse off that? I'ma eventually be this. That's how you knew. He knew where he was going with it. He knew. And nothing was going to take him off that. that path. But even before all the success, you saw him grind. Yes. Working, like ready old. You don't, you don't do, look, you can't become successful and then start

to grind. No. You grind before you become successful. Therefore, it's easy to maneuver. Yes. I remember when, you know, the days, Funkmaster Flex, BJ Red Alert, they wouldn't play the records. And we used to make baskets by, you know, champagne, crystal, Godiva, all type of stuff, and make gift baskets for the radio station to try to get them to play his records. Like, it was a struggle, you know, carrying crates of records to Burkina, mixtape shop, you know, Beach Street, downtown Brooklyn, like trying to get these people to sell the tapes. It was a struggle, man. It was not, you know, people like to read the end of the story. Nobody like to pick up the glossary of the book. They don't want to get to the beginning.

But, you know, I read, like, well, because the record label didn't want to sign it because he was a little older than the typical rappers. He was like, what, 26? And a lot of these, you know, they're 18, 19, 20, you know what I'm saying? And they can take advantage of them. Right. They was already super smart, you know, crazy intelligent, one of the smartest men I know. And he, like I said, he knew what he wanted to do, the path was set. He knew.

And he wouldn't take them less or no for an answer. He ends up selling Rockefeller to death. death jam put 10 mil and you like and a lot of people you know 10 million back then

that's a lot of brain but he wasn't satisfied 10 million today is a lot of bread but you can imagine what it was back then yeah because and he strikes me as a guy real understanding that

the minute you're satisfied as a person you threw as an individual yes so he had an unquenchable desire a thirst to get more I believe, if you ask me, I believe once Jay Guy's first $100 million and he knew it was accessible, he looked at the list on Forbes and start headhunting all of them. That was it. Say, I'm coming for everybody on his list. He wasn't going to be satisfied with EM.

He needed a bead behind his name. Yep. I'm telling you, he's a go-getter. He don't stop. It don't matter how much is here. We need more. Right. So now, okay, you get signed to Rockefeller.

Yes. You're one of the first. He didn't look that for you. He doesn't came like, hey, get out of here. You, y'all on some bull jive. Y'all holding my man back. But you allowing them to hold you back. Yes.

You need to get in the right frame of mind and realize you see all this. It's within your grasp too. But I can't, I ain't going to hand it to you. That's right. You got a warning. It's just like the story they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Right. So I had to definitely take the drink from the fountain and learn myself.

But I wanted it. Once I got the opportunity, I got the deal. Like I said, it was at the time when I was acting like I was Hollywood, so they didn't trust my work effort. You know, they didn't really believe in it. And this was at the time when we signed Beanie Siegel, because I was signed first, and then Beans got signed. Right. And then, you know, Beans was just like a breath of fresh air to Rockefeller that the whole focus shifted to him. So I had to prove myself all along.

And that's why I think, you know, superstar A&R legendary Lenny-esque, because if it wasn't for him, us believing in each other, we went and turned it around and made the first album coming to age, and we went to go. Wow. So now you signed to the label, you get that signing bonus, what you do? Oh, I told you. That's when you got the house. Yeah, that's when I bought the house. Before that, we was, I was still going to the projects.

I used to do shows with Jay and the limo and drop everybody off at their condo and then pull up in the middle of the project. Come on, bro. You're in the limbo. Like I was king of New York. The limo dropped me off right in the projects, and I used to feel... Yeah, how did that make you feel like, bro, I'm stepping out of limo, but I'm stepping out of a limo going into... Yo, I used to feel like shit, man.

Like, it was like the worst feeling ever because you came from this such high. You're flying, first class, business class, you're staying in these prestigious hotels, we're doing these concerts, riding around in limos, eating this fancy food, and then it's all over in the car drop you right back to reality. So every day I used to know what I was working for. I heard you said you wish you had planned your career earlier. Because it sounds to me, you could correct me if I'm wrong, that you feel like you wasted a couple of years.

Yes, I wasn't prepared. Like the things like, I knew Jay was great, but did I know he was going to be what he is today? Heck no, I don't think none of us saw this. And I wish that if I did pay him, a little bit more attention instead of chasing the girls instead of chasing the club life you know the flossing the flashy stuff I would have been more prepared for what arrived I wouldn't be just learning the business aspect now it would have been business then you know you know what I'm really

glad you said that because every time I talk to someone I say what did you know oh yeah I knew that I knew it oh yeah I knew he's I'm like what damn everybody knows that somebody's I'm like come on now But you're really the first person that I can honestly say. Like, no, I, you know, I knew he was good. I knew he was a hard worker. He was dedicated to the grind. He saw a bigger, he saw a brighter future, a bigger picture. But I didn't think he would become this.

No, heck no, man. This was not in the cards. I knew he was going to be one of the greats. But the greatest, I didn't know. I couldn't see this. Right. Having success early, and I mentioned some of the people that I've had on from Kiki Pomp. to Megan Good, to Chris Brown, to Bow Wow.

If you could, some of the upcoming stars now young, teenagers, 13, 14, 17, if you could give them advice, if you could get five, six, seven of them in a room, what advice would you give them? Leave the girls like, the girls come the more, the girls going to always be there. That's the number one rule of advice I would give them is the girl. Don't chase the girls, chase the money, because the girls chase the men with the money. That's number one. And number two, a lot of these young guys is just turning,

they're making so much money and turning to gang culture. And it's just like Asanon and backwards. Yeah, I thought you wanted to lead that. Yeah, you do that as you broke. You don't become a millionaire to be gang. I'm King Tito now. Like, I made $10 million now. I'm King Tito.

Heck, no, I don't want to see Tito. Right. That's the whole purpose is that why you're doing it legit is to leave that culture. Yes. Why would you make $10, $20, $15 million to go back? And that's the advice I would give us that you're just wasting time, man, and prolonging your life, man. Like, some of these guys is cutting their paths short by living the life.

Not even, I'm going to even say living, portraying a life that they thought was glamorous. Like, these streets don't, they don't forget. It's not, it's not the play. Not even play, play, play. No, man. You don't play. It's like you don't play, play, play, fight. You don't play, yeah, it's not.

Yeah, it's not the hokey pokey. Can't put one foot in, one foot out, turn around and shake it all about. No. I read that a Dame Dash got you out of a bad management content. Yes, yes. Dame saved my life, man. That's why when I, you know, when me and Dame get our little internet spat, I don't feel good about talking about anybody I once called brother in a negative light. Right.

This is how I like to talk about my brothers. The good things, the nice things and the genuine things they did. I remember going up to the office and I'm telling Dame I just signed my management contract I'm ready to go let's get this album going and he's like you signed the management

who are your manager? I'm like yo my guys you know he's like let me see that contract I gave him the contract he called the lawyer right there on the spot are you fucking insane you're trying to rob my little brother y'all better fix this contract right now

like crazy and you know I didn't know I'm like hold on my lawyer set me up fire him and Dame helped me get a new lawyer new account and all of that That word. Save my life. So now you've been in this situation.

So how would you instruct others to go about handling business? Oh, man. Hire your own lawyer. Right. I had almost like a court-appointed lawyer. They just gave me a lawyer. Like, do your own due diligence, get your own attorney. And, you know, make sure don't just pay somebody to read something.

Pay somebody to teach you something. You know, learn the business. Dane wanted you to be LL because LL was a T LL was a I mean LL was a major He was one of the major was like in early 80s Come on L LL he influenced all of us Yes

You was resistant to that Yeah no because we had Jai Roo and they had the muscles I don't got the muscles See my bad come on you And you weren't willing to work out to get no more I would do but it take a long time I thought muscles coming six months Right

I thought I could get the six-month plan, man. Right. So you said I don't really like to go back and forth with Dane because he's helped me so. He's helped me so much. And when somebody helped you, it's hard. But why do you think he's become so resentful? Man, I think any man that knows they did wrong before they admit it, they're top. And I think that's the phase he's going through.

He's in attack mode right now. You know what I'm saying? And then comes the admission and self-gilt later. Right. You know, I see people on the internet. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL Cover Zero.

We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? It looks like something that should not be sold. Oh, my.

So that was my other big Colts take away. They sold that? Yes. Might want to go back to the Dr. At the Colts Stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.

It's worked for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is Sprott.

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And everybody said, man, whole work this many billion. Man, he can kick Dame down something and get him out of that situation. You can come in, you know, blah, blah, blah. That's not Jay. I'm just letting you know that right now. Shit, I'm his friend. He ain't giving nothing away to the loved ones. You got to earn it.

You got to work. And then a person who was chopping at his tree for so long, I just don't see it happening. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I mean, because he's taking some shots. I mean, it's, in a way from me, I mean, you know the situation better than I do, and you know both of them better than I. But it's really sad to see people that were so close together to come so far apart. Yes, and business does that.

Now, that's why I say money is the root of all evil, man. Money is, it changes everything you know. When you, we sit in here, everything is fine and dandy. You throw a pot of money in, everything changes. Rockefeller breaking up. Worst day of my life. Did you go back again? Like, oh, did you know, Jay, could you see this coming?

Could you foretell of this? Yes, I knew. We used to talk, you know? Like, I remember I had changed, clothes, video shoot, you know, me and Dane. had a little argument, like something that got real, real personal. And Jay didn't like that. And we had a conversation, and he was like, yo, it's going to come a time.

If none of these guys don't ship up and act right, we're going to ship them out. It ain't going to be none of this no more. And I'm like, huh? And I'm going to the guys trying to tell everybody, you know, break it down. But nobody was listening to me. They thought they knew the put, they had the blueprint. And it's like, okay, if the boss is saying this is about to be over

and y'all not listening to me, I'm going to just sit here and watch the credits roll. You know, and it's sad to say that I tried, and it was nothing I can do, man. Money, ego. What was the root? What was the main, if I got you under oath and you got the Lord, what do you think the main reason was? Looking back now, I think it was credit. For some reason, our culture loves credit being the reason.

behind something instead of just getting the money for something. Like, people want the credit. They want to be the man. The reason why it happened. I put this together. You're here because of me. And I think that or me, me, me attitude is what destroyed it. I mean, if you look at it, let's just say you inherited a $10 billion and I got out and I grind and I worked and I got $10 billion.

You got $10 billion. Yeah, we just say. How is unimportant. That's right. And that's, that's, I don't know why people be so fascinated off of that, man. They want to explain that. It's because of me. It's like, okay, I'll give the credit away.

If I walk out and find a bag of money and you want to say, you help me find. Go ahead, you help me find it. I saw it first. Okay, good. I grabbed it. Right. But they say most dynasties fall from within. Yes, all the time. It's not the outside.

It's the inside. And too much money, man. Too much money. too much power, it brings egos, really big egos, man, and it's uncontrollable. I want your honest opinion on

this. The greatest rap label. We got death row, bad boys, cash money, young money, aftermath, no limit, so-so-deaf, rough riders, T-D-E, quality control, made-back music, death jam. No Rockefeller. I ain't got to, we're not in there. Yeah, you're in there. You ain't say Rockefeller.

Rockefeller's in there. And it's automatically Rockefeller. Give me a five. Give me a top five. Uh, you got to say cash money. Okay. They had one of the longest runs in hip-hop, independency history, I believe. Then you got to say, Def Roe.

Def Roe started this gangster. Like, come on, man. Dr. Dre, everybody, they started that. Uh, you got to give no limit his props just off the hustle and the shore, Endurance Master P Show. Mm-hmm. What's the other names you said? Oh, Rough Riders.

Rough Riders. Come on, man. You got Swiss, D-A-Mex, God Bless, D&Y, Real Street, New York, Yonkers, Harlem Hustlers that turned that into what? Come on. That's four right there. And then who else would I go after that? I got a young money. You got aftermath.

You got So-So-Deft. You got Quality Control, Mayback Music. And you got Def Jam. Def Jam is one of the greatest labels in history. Because they really started. Yeah, without them, there wouldn't be no young money, cash money, OVO, TV, yeah, there'd be nothing. Word up. So Def Jam really the pioneers to this Russell Simmons and them, they paved the way for what we do.

Kanye, what do you remember about Kanye? Oh, genius, man. Kanye is a musical genius. When it came down to Kanye in the studio, he was like Jay. He wouldn't take no for an answer. Kanye heard no. Like, you know, used to make the beats, but telling everybody, I rhyme too, yo, listen. And I got verses, I got this.

And I'm like, bleak, I'm telling you, I'm going to be the greatest. Get behind it. Get back in the, get back in the, get that energy going. And he wouldn't take no for an answer. So his sure endurance and perseverance to grind and make people believe, it's in like forever etched in stone. You know, you're right. You know, college dropout.

Here's some of his greatest stuff. But a lot of people say, man, it changed when his mother passed. Because that was the one, that was the cloak. That was the woman that he truly. truly, truly loved. She was probably one of the few people that could talk to Kanye and keep him on the...

Do you think... Did you notice a change? I don't know if you've been around him since. I never, like, it's so crazy, I knew Kanye and I never met his mom. God bless her soul. I never met his mom. You know, so I really don't like speaking about that,

but people mourn in different ways. You know, like, death hits people. No one can mourn the same way. Right. So maybe this is his mourning. Do you know what I mean? We don't know. You got to let him find his peace.

Yeah, man. But, you know, it's a lot for that man, man. You're playing, like, you got kids involved. Your mother, the industry, your money, your business. It's a lot, man. They put a lot of pressure on them and expect that you don't break. Right. Like, pressure bust pipes, man.

Like, at some point, every man got a breaking point. He does. And I think he hit his, man. And it's sad to see because, like I said, I don't like to see none of my brother spiraling or in the news, any type of controversy, but sometimes you just have to sit back with a clear mind and just

try to understand what that man can be going through, you know? You also got an opportunity to work with Rihanna early in her career. Yes, and I had no clue who she was. I was pissed off. I didn't even want the hook. I remember I came in the studio. Jay, like, you know, I got this beat for you. We got a hook on it already.

And I'm like, who is this girl? I don't want this record. You're bugging it. Jay, like, and this record is fire. You don't like it? I'm like, I don't know. You turned it. Yeah, and then they bought Rihanna in the room, and I'm like, put that beat back up, man. Let's go. I got this one.

Man. I guess you didn't know she was going to become a big. No, she was, come on. Rihanna was one of the most beautiful women. You could lay your eyes on. So I knew once she gave her face on camera, she'd get the song she need. It's all she wrote. Yeah, that's it.

Like, that's another anomaly, man. The Rihanna, like, she's the, like, she came in and dominated the game, man. Like, no foreigner, I could say, came to America and really dominated it like Rihanna did. But if you think about it, music, you know, she started having had a music background. But people don't really look at Rihanna for music now. No, she got perfume and she got, yeah, yeah, bro. She's killing. Yes.

She damn they put Victoria's secret. secrets on notice. Absolutely. They better watch out. Do you remember when Hove got sued by the wrestler for doing the... Oh, the diamond thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. But that's not his thing.

I don't know. Why would you think you made this up? That's Delta Sigma Theta. I would have thought they would have tried to sue us, but they were stepping with us. So I made your love for them. Let me ask you a question. I mean, I think the first time I've ever heard beef, I don't know if it was beef, but a diss, was when LL

and Coomodee. Yeah, Coomodee. That was really the first time. And, you know, obviously Coomodee got into it, I think, with cannabis. Yeah, uh, uh, you mean LL got to do with. LL got to do it with cannabis. Uh, Hove and Nas went back and forth. When was the first time that you noticed, like,

the disc, how were you, when you found out, like, dissing was like a thing? Oh, man, young. I mean, you know, like, we're saying, like, we go and bar bar, we go, you know, we cyphering, okay, a cool, but. Rap started out as back. Like in the back park, when the DJ played the music, two MCs grabbed the mic, one showcasing that he better than the other. So it started out like that.

So that's when, if you get into hip hop in any fashion, any form, you know it's a competitive sport. Like, number one, it's like trying to be friends in basketball or football. Right. After the game, we can chill, but when we get on them lines, it's war. I'm trying to knock your block on. You know what I'm saying? And that's what it is in rap. So I just feel like they took the battling now.

It's in court. beef is in court now rapping like it's insane that you man went in the house wrote a rhyme pick the beat and now he's going to court for that wow and look

and there have been some great obviously nods and Hove going back and forward you got Tupac and Biggie yes it's great legendary you got Ice Cube and NWA I mean I said CoreMega

I mean what's my man from Chicago he's gonna kill me now man he's gonna kill me now man he's gonna kill me Because, you know, when NWA broke up and Q left and did his thing, and he came back with No Vaseline. And he had major beef with Thunder. No Vaseline, one of the greatest disc records in history. One of the greatest.

I mean, a lot of people keep moving it down because it seemed like people don't think if it didn't happen today, it wasn't important. No, you got to respect. But no Vaseline and Ether and all those, Tupac, hit him up. That was a heartbreaking record. I ain't liked it. I was from Brooklyn. I like it, but I ain't like it. Yeah, it's common sense.

Thank you, my brother. Yeah, when Ice Q and Common got into it, that was a good lyrical battle because common is super nice. Yeah. One of the nicest off-the-top lyrics, man, nobody messing with common sense. This concludes the first half of my conversation.

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