Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Michael Beasley Part 2

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

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Starting point is 00:02:51 Spoh, like, if Spoke would have played me, we're the one. They couldn't figure, like, watch the game I played in San Antonio. Antonio. Yeah. Like, I scored like eight points in like three, two minutes. It was like the end of the game, but it was like, if Spow would have played me, they wouldn't have had no answer for them. Right.
Starting point is 00:03:08 But I was in the suit the whole game, so I don't say y'all anything. Spow didn't like me. Why? Because I don't know. I don't know. I really don't. But I thought the objective is to try to win a game. You ain't got to like the player.
Starting point is 00:03:20 If the guy's going to help me win, I don't care. If you got a player that's per 36, my per 36 match up with the Mard de Rosans. Why am I not paid like it? Why haven't I played like it? Right. So, yeah, logic applies to us all. But when it comes to Michael Beasley, it just doesn't. My whole career, go watch it.
Starting point is 00:03:42 I've always watched more than half the game, and my numbers showed that I should be playing more. Right. But for some reason, people just took my thoughts and opinion as great in the test, and I got judged for being that instead of who I actually am. Were you still in Miami after LeBron left? One year. How was it?
Starting point is 00:04:02 Worse. This, Spoh, looked at me and set me behind James Ennis in the belief that he was the next LeBron James. I love James, too, but Spoh, you fuck. You're wild for that one. I was hot. The whole year I sat in there.
Starting point is 00:04:21 I came back from China, so I had to go bust ass in Shanghai. Yeah. First time, like, whatever. came back and Fos literally had me
Starting point is 00:04:33 sitting behind James Ennis and Sabaz Napier right just like whatever he just didn't like me wow
Starting point is 00:04:43 he just didn't like me you've heard the conversation there are a lot of people that say at Memphis and I don't know how much time you spend in Memphis other than being on basketball travels LeBron spoke about the hotels
Starting point is 00:04:55 KD spoke about the hotels Even Randolph and Alan, Tony Allen spoke about the hotel. Did LeBron get misconstrued? What is it about Memphis? I mean, I don't know a whole lot about Memphis. I haven't spent any time outside of basketball in Memphis? Yeah, I got good friends of Memphis.
Starting point is 00:05:14 So what is it about this hotel? Because I know Memphis. Memphis problem is everything fun about Memphis is 30, 40 minutes outside of where the downtown is. Okay. You're talking to a guy like LeBron James Everywhere he's gone, the party has always been He's not driving 30 minutes to find out where the party is Right, he don't know what real Memphis is
Starting point is 00:05:38 Right, right Downtown Memphis is not the prettiest place It's ghetto, it's hood, it's scary for a person that got money That's why Josh shouldn't be with the I love you Um But I know some real good people in Memphis Right
Starting point is 00:05:55 I know some real good people. Memphis is a fun city. It's just when you don't know, you don't know. You end up on the wrong side and don't know who you with. Brown ain't got time for that. You understand? Most NBA players don't got time for that. Yeah, but it's hard to explain to our people that even in a dispute,
Starting point is 00:06:13 we cannot have a respectful conversation without you wanting to fight me. You can't lose the fight. I can't lose the fight without us wanting to kill each other. Right. That's a real thing in our community. It is. And y'all want to chastise Braun because he want to be here forever for his kids? Right.
Starting point is 00:06:32 No, if I was a billionaire and if I was as childish as he was to go and do things at my leisure, Memphis is not a place I want to do it at because I don't know. Somebody that looks like me may rob me. Y'all got to stop pretending that's not a thing. That's what's wrong. Accountability. Remember I told you the women? Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Okay, wait, wait, those same women Has raised these men that's speaking today Remember I told you the wise man don't say nothing? Yeah. Now we're in the era of the clothes mouths don't get fed And y'all want to blame Braun for building a billionaire And not wanting to get shot, robbed. Bro, stop, stop Chad, stop doing that.
Starting point is 00:07:14 You mentioned Jha, and you said, I think what you're alluding to, Jock probably needs to move on from Memphis. No, Jod's just around the wrong people in Memphis. So you want him to stay? playing Memphis. Right, John, Jod just be kicking it
Starting point is 00:07:28 with the cool kids in Memphis. Yeah. And Memphis is just a sidi town. So you kick it with some kids and the other kids don't like you. Right, okay. You understand? John need to play basketball
Starting point is 00:07:39 and just stop kicking it with those kids. You understand? And that's the part of, like when I said, what I said it went viral or whatever the fuck. That's the part of T I want him to realize. It's like, dog, you need to keep him in the gym
Starting point is 00:07:51 and out of that club shit, out of them cool to cool scenes because just like LeBron James the cool scene is wherever you are. No, J'all don't need to get out of Memphis. The city loves him. Yes. Jha just need to understand
Starting point is 00:08:06 who he is to Memphis so the city can love him to life and not love him to death. They need to help him become a better him rather than... Shoot him up, bang, bang, shit. You do realize that.
Starting point is 00:08:25 I think there's a greater chance that they're going to probably move on. You see they traded Desmond Bain, you see they traded Triple J. Desmond Bain, we're the ones. He came out of Ajum. Did he? So you think there's a greater chance
Starting point is 00:08:39 that Joss stays in Memphis or he's moving on? What is, is, and shall be. That's not my, that's up for the sun to see, you know, and that's the handle. I don't know where he's going to go and if he's going to go anywhere, but I just think before y'all start judging him
Starting point is 00:08:53 and just help him. 2018 Lakers Josh Hart Lanzo ball Brandon Ingham Kyle Cusma Alice Caruso Zubox
Starting point is 00:09:02 you blow on that team I played them yeah should they have kept that core together honestly yeah I wasn't a basketball player
Starting point is 00:09:11 what were you there my mom died I couldn't you couldn't focus huh so New York hurt my feelings because I played
Starting point is 00:09:23 really good in New York right And New York was only three hours away from D.C. Mm-hmm. So I used to drive, you know, my mom lived on the Baltimore side of this time. Yeah. I used to drive three hours, like after practice, after games, after, you know, whenever I could to go see my mom. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Because it's like she had cancer. Right. Right. Right. So I was hoping to stay in New York, man. I wanted to stay in New York so fucking bad. Or I wanted to go to D.C. or Philly. Like, one of those teams that was close to my mom. So you still get.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying? New York looked at me and said, Michael B. is the greatest player, the smartest player to ever put on the Knicks jersey, but how did this help us win? This is one of the times I wish I had something to say, because I said, I don't know. Like, I ain't never, right?
Starting point is 00:10:08 Mm-hmm. And then then when I signed with the Lakers, that's when we found out my mom would have been lying about us about having stage two cancer and it was stage four. And then when I went to the Lakers, like we tell all day on FaceTime, me, her, my brother, right?
Starting point is 00:10:27 And then like, right before the season, my brother went home my brother went home and FaceTime me and like y'all was on the phone with my mom just the same shit
Starting point is 00:10:38 and he showed me like decide she wasn't showing us so like we didn't know but like every day she would like really get up and make sure she take her more things
Starting point is 00:10:50 so she can have that phone call right and then I just could hold on I just gonna blame him and I just got to I had to go, I just, bro, my mom was driving herself to chemo until they put her on hospice. She ain't deserved that.
Starting point is 00:11:13 And I was mad under that time because I remember I told you my dad did. I ain't know how to just, yeah, bro. I ain't like that, yeah, because, man. You say you were mad at your mom, what, because she didn't have anybody to take her? She had to drive herself. No, no, no, no. I was mad at my mom for my childhood. My dad at 25 told me I cut my whole family off for three years.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I was pissed at them because my dad's a real n- I was looking for him and I was looking for him and you got all these random ass niggas in my life I'm one of my dad and then I got mad at my mom
Starting point is 00:11:47 and then she died man So three years you're not having a conversation with your mom and when you come back and then when I got to New York and I got to New York we was getting back
Starting point is 00:11:57 and then when I got to LA it was just too fun and it was too late now and then I didn't know how to say it I didn't know how to say that and then I just went out there and I just had the wrong short They fit the same, so I couldn't feel that shit.
Starting point is 00:12:09 Y'all fr-haugh laugh. That day, James died two days before. My cousin, I was supposed to be in a funeral, and I was at shoot-around. Like, damn, should I get on this flight? Or just play, bro. If I get on this flight, they're going to think I'm lying about people dying and shit. I ain't want to play at all, I didn't want to play it at all. I didn't want to play it.
Starting point is 00:12:29 I was one of my favorite people and shit. They was just laughing at me and shit. It was just fucking laughing at me. Man, I was hot. I was hot. I was hot I hated them nicks man because my mom didn't deserve that shit
Starting point is 00:12:44 and then James James died in the car man James James went to go I told him stop fucking these dumb ass bitch man James went to go meet this girl and she set him up and the nigga hit him and he hid right he hid and the only reason the nigga ain't come
Starting point is 00:12:59 because the nigga came down the street and they let James die into a car man I couldn't be there for him and y'all laughed at me But don't, man, I'm gonna cry a little bit, but don't, act like you don't notice, right? Just act like you don't notice. Yeah, I hate it that you.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Your mom dying, that robbed you of your ability wanting to play basketball, huh? Yeah, I couldn't, like, Magic Johnson and LeBron Jane, my favorite people. I couldn't even be happy around them because they was laughing too. But not. Did they know?
Starting point is 00:13:33 John's heart, though? I love him. Josh Hart, bro, I was on the bill. I was on the bus one day. And I ain't even know I was crying. I was just sitting there trying to be quiet. John's Hart came up to me and gave me a hug, bro. I was like, bro, I don't know what you're going through, though,
Starting point is 00:13:48 but you can come talk to me. And I never did, and I wish I did. But, like, Josh Hart, he's seen who I was, bro. I f*** him, Charles, man. And then B.I. B.I. used to kick it with me. B.I. used to be like, man, fuck them clubs. I'm going to kick it with you, OG.
Starting point is 00:14:00 I don't know why, but I just fuck with you. And we used to talk all night. You understand? Like, you know what I fuck with them youngest, but. Like, I'm just mad. I couldn't be able. Did anybody know what you were going through at the time? No.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Did you tell anybody? I couldn't. I couldn't. My whole life. My whole life. And not just then from day one. From day one, the day I got drafted, I was going through it all.
Starting point is 00:14:24 And it's like if I say it, I just laugh at it. If I act out on it or if I just slip out because I'm going through reality inside of this game, y'all just laugh at it and never, what I got to say, never just would I. Did you feel like anybody ever tried to understand who Michael Beasley was the person?
Starting point is 00:14:40 Everybody thought they knew who Michael Beasley was the player, basketball player, but nobody understood Michael Beasley the person. Did anybody try to get that? Did you try to let anybody in to see that side of the person? How many times did I cut my hair? Go back and look at it. How many times I tried to reintroduce myself? Go back and look at it.
Starting point is 00:15:01 How many times I tried to apologize for who y'all thought I was? Go back and look at it. Y'all laughed at it. Every single time. Every single time. If I had a bad game, look, he's the, look, the worst in the world. If I had a good game, it's just some lucky shit. I've never been able to have a good game with y'all trying about my past.
Starting point is 00:15:23 Even today, I go play in the big three, like, him, belong there. You know where his mental this, his mental that. Y'all don't know my mental. Stephen A. Sniff met me at 15. They said word to me. Now, next thing I know this nigga. talking about character issues at 18. How do you even know about character issues?
Starting point is 00:15:41 You don't know I was catching a bus to them gyms you seen me at, nigga? Walking a mile after I got on the bus. But character issues because, why? You grew up with a fucking bridge? I didn't. Y'all never asked me anything. Not once.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Y'all just all thought I came from where y'all came from and then judged where I did. And so me and my friends got laughed at it and y'all just, for loyalty, Trevor Reza looked at me and said, yo, you're the smartest nigga I ever met. but you love you to the most dumbest n-knit. I know that now.
Starting point is 00:16:09 No, nigga, nobody asks me shit. Now I ain't care. That's real. If you'd had mentorship, Michael Beasley would be a different person sitting on this country. A billionaire. That's why I look at, right? And I'm so out of the kids.
Starting point is 00:16:28 Because all you need to, all you need is a little bit of discipline, a little bit of organization, then you're going to be scared of your parents. Then you're going to go outside and be scared of your coaches. And you don't go outside, be scared of the officers. And then you're going to go outside and be scared of life.
Starting point is 00:16:45 And that's just going to make you live one more day. On the court, you had moments. Look, you're the second pick in the draft. Everybody saw what you did. Y'all laughed at them all. Go back and look at it. That's a real shit. When you say they, who are they?
Starting point is 00:16:59 Like, I can get your real stat. Every time I played over 30 minutes, I'm averaging like 20 plus points. Every time I'm playing over 25 minutes, like look at the stats. My per 36 add up with the all-stars that y'all love to pay. But whenever it was my turn, y'all, y'all, all brought up with mental issues y'all thought I had, having none. The mental issues y'all thought I had y'all created, because I couldn't understand it, which created depression, anxiety.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Then I couldn't talk to anybody, and every time I tried to change, y'all just laughed at me. Right? And then look at my numbers. I only play half the game, max, but always produce more numbers. I just never got a chance to play. Never got a chance to play. And when it was always time to get paid, you know, I was in. New York, right?
Starting point is 00:17:45 They had a vet minimum of $8 million. They played me $2 million last year was the minimum, right? I'm looking at them, trying to negotiate my contract before I go to New York. They say what they said to me, and, ah, okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I look at my age, and I say, bro, they got $6 million to give me, just something to give me that $6 million for the one year. You know what I'm saying? They ain't hurting now and I ain't hurting me. Right. Ask me what they do the next day.
Starting point is 00:18:08 What do? Mario Hizonia, where in number eight, just signed for $8 million. So the money Ask who wore number eight last year. You did. Not even a phone call to say they was going in another direction.
Starting point is 00:18:22 Right? Yeah, nigger. Every time I played good, y'all laughed and just thought it was luck. Mike, did you, I mean, at any point in time, did you ever say, you know what? I need to go sit down and talk to somebody about what I got to. Yeah, like last week was the first time I called my lawyer and asked them. I'm looking for my insurance calls now. I don't want paper that shit
Starting point is 00:18:45 I heard that shit I heard that shit real shit do you wish you had done sooner I did I was an anger management in my whole life I just never spoke
Starting point is 00:18:58 quartered since fifth grade fourth grade how do you go to how do you get caught up on an anger management in fourth or fifth grade what did you do the first time
Starting point is 00:19:12 yeah Antoine Queen he beat me in basketball when I ain't care but afterwards at recess he was like ah you just talking for nothing you're just talking for that so in other words he's uh uh uh uh oh so i
Starting point is 00:19:29 so i beat the shit out of him for beating you in basketball no for that was five 10 minutes leave me alone I didn't care about basketball then okay so I beat the shit out of him so you beat the guy up because he was telling and then and then and then when they tried to stop me yeah right the only person like I
Starting point is 00:19:48 I dragged this nigga from the playground to the inside bathroom. I whipped his ass. I really whipped his ass. Right? The only time that I would hear anything is when they would call Leroy Ellison, get to Michael Beasley. The only person I was scared of was my brother. One, partly because he knew how to box before me. And then secondly, he was the one that always snitch on my mom.
Starting point is 00:20:12 Yeah. I'm whipping this n' ass. Whipping this n' ass. Whipping this n' ass. Pause the story. Like, you see this scratch on mom? Yeah. Principal gave it to me. She grabbed me like maybe a few weeks before that. Yeah. And my mother told me, you know, next time somebody put their hands on you like that, right?
Starting point is 00:20:33 So I'm whipping this nigger ass. I'm whipping this nigger ass. I hear my brother name on the fuck, uh, uh, the intercom, right? So now I'm scared. I go out the bathroom, like, what's my next move? Soon as, as, Dr. Cooper grabbed my goddamn arm and before I can think I looked up and seen it was her and this thing
Starting point is 00:20:55 was flying to her shit. You hit the teacher? I knocked the shit out. That's the first time I got arrested. What grade were you in? Fifth grade. Boy, I was nine. I wasn't supposed to be in the field
Starting point is 00:21:09 but I was eight or nine. I was just bigger. Yes. You understand? So it was like, I knocked this shit out. I knocked this clean out. I wasn't.
Starting point is 00:21:16 the basketball player then. I was a child around the older people. Right. They, fifth grade, you 10, I'm eight. So yes, I'm gonna act like a child, but back then I didn't know this. Back then I was just very violent because I grew up in Chocolate City. I was a light skin guy. Yeah. And my mother had a boy and a girl.
Starting point is 00:21:35 I got green eyes. So I'm just always mad because everybody asked me if I was a boy or girl or they'd be like, yo. So you're swinging on them, they did. Come on, let's find out. Real shit. I swear. And then, like, I'm talking, like, everybody in my family, your complexion.
Starting point is 00:21:53 Yeah. So in D.C., everywhere I go. Yeah, chocolate city, yeah, for show. It was always a red-bone joke about my mom. Yeah. Because your mom's light-skinned like you. Let's go, nigga. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:22:03 It's a second fight. All right, you find out of my boy or girl. Right. Now you're saying something about, all right, come on, let's go. We're fighting again. Right. Everywhere I go. So you fought a lot with a kid.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Yes. And I was. Why do you think you fought so much? Because you dark n-knit. Don't like light-skinned people. Well, you're not hearing that I'm saying. Every, like, literally, black only matters to black when it's black is black. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:27 The 1% matter don't matter when the nigger got green eyes because you think I'm better. Oh, nigga, I know I'm a tiger. I don't talk about the stripes, right? Yeah. But, nigger, black thing, light-skinned ain't black or not. You act light skin, you act, light-skinned. I've been hearing that all my life from the females I try to like. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Oh, nah, you act light-skinned. What does that even mean? And then they all fall in love with me when they realized, damn, no, you dark skin. And I'm a hik. Yeah, nigger, because I'm a nigger. Snoop. Like, black people think light skin people just like, no, we're light skin inside of our body, right? Oh, no, no, we're black inside of our body.
Starting point is 00:23:01 And the exterior is the exterior. Correct. Our bino, whatever the fuck my mom was doing, all that shit. Right. Nica, I see myself as you. Right. But my whole life, you didn't. I just had to beat you n' ass.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Real shit. So then they realize, they're like, oh, hold on, he might be life scared, but oh, oh. Everywhere I go. Look at this. It's flipped down the middle. Yeah. People think that I think that that's pretty. I didn't even notice that shit until I was like 18, 19.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Right. Bro, everywhere I go, oh, green eyes, life skin. And then my hair was long my whole life. And my mom used to put borrots in my hair. So I was my mom's second. You mom's breast in your hair? I was my mom's second child. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:41 And she really wanted a girl. She was mad I wasn't a girl. And then she was mad. was big. You know, but she ain't put like girly, girly styles there. Yes. Just like when Snoop Dog made that shit acceptable. Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:52 You know what I mean? My mom used to put my, which is dressed me like Snoop Dog as far as the head. But I'm light skin with green eyes. Right. And so, nigger, my son used to ask me if I was a girl, you just called me white boy. I used to beat the shit out a lot. A lot. When did you start fighting, Mike?
Starting point is 00:24:09 Would I play basketball? Well. Do you remember the last time you had a fight? Yeah. Had it been in the last year, the last five years, last ten years? Last time I had a fight, it was like 20, like 2017. Okay, been almost a decade. Okay, we can get with that. You remember why you got into it?
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Starting point is 00:25:36 Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.
Starting point is 00:26:00 And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, personal health, personal health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,
Starting point is 00:26:27 and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.
Starting point is 00:26:45 If you are a founder or a freelancer or the friend who always says, I said, you know what, what if I started that? This is for you. I'm telling you I had nothing to my name. I didn't know a single person in New York. And somehow I'm dressed by Oscar de Laurenta walking down that red carpet. This month, we sit down with entrepreneurs and creators who actually did it, who turned
Starting point is 00:27:04 the scary leap into a business, a paycheck, and a life they are proud of. Direct center of our happiness or our regrets is whether or not we're taking action on the things that matter to us. They're not selfish. They're so important. they actually lead to our greatest contributions because when we're living fulfilled, we actually show up better everywhere.
Starting point is 00:27:24 We lead better. We're better friends. We're better relationships and collaborators and all those things because we have passion about the things we're doing. If you're trying to build something of your own this year, join us in these conversations that will make you braver and smarter with your money. Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the Michael Tutta Podcast Network
Starting point is 00:27:41 available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars, and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love.
Starting point is 00:28:06 On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years. since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Listen to the away end with Daniel Auer Kohn and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. with somebody that you knew. You felt he was disrespectful. You've been lowered. I don't feel anything. See, like, all right, this, this, your truth is just glasses you hand me with mud on it. Right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:09 The truth should be a sword. And if you fall on the wrong side, it's just that with your blood on it. I don't do anything by how I feel. I do everything by according to what the truth is. what the right answer is whether I fall on that sword or not no fucking feelings do you
Starting point is 00:29:36 did you display any of this type of behavior when you were in the NBA and people and exactly no okay ask who I never smack none of them they should have I should have they all disrespect me to my face and thought I was cool
Starting point is 00:29:51 I laugh I laugh but no I should have smacked a lot of them I ain't never Brian came to me in 2014 and said And I'm just sitting there, bro. At the time, I think it was after practice. It was Dewey, Braun, Ray Island, Chris Bars, Chris, Chris Anderson.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Yeah, Burman. They were all getting treatment. Yeah. Bro, these are people I grew up watching. So I'm just admiring the conversations. Bro, I woke up to me and was like, Bees, you are a scary, dude. What?
Starting point is 00:30:32 This is the way you look. I'm like, bro, I'm just, man. You know what I'm saying? It's like, and I know he ain't mean what he meant by it, but that's what y'all take me as. I come, I'm just silent because I don't know what to say, and then I just get too afraid to tell you that I'm afraid, and then now y'all just judge me with your own mind
Starting point is 00:30:52 and never ask me about mine. Right. That's just my own life. Is it true you weren't turned down 50? million to go to China and accepted a $2.1 million from the next? Who told you that lie? That didn't happen? No.
Starting point is 00:31:10 So did you make good money going to China? Yeah, hell yeah. I made my 15, nigga. So why didn't you stay over? Why didn't you stay over in China? Because when you understand who you are, you understand value, right? Yeah, for sure. What female do you like?
Starting point is 00:31:28 that you see every night. Nah, you might see it Wednesday and make her sweat on Thursday, right? Especially when she knows that you got turf at your house. Yeah. Huh? Right? Because you know, right?
Starting point is 00:31:41 Like, you ain't going to let her come in here every day, every week when she wants. You're going to see her when you want. Right. That's creating value. I play what I want. Delante West. He was a teammate of yours in China, right?
Starting point is 00:31:54 Yeah. How difficult is to see him going through what he's going through right now, B's? It's not. It's not difficult for you? No. Why? You just told me to mind my own business.
Starting point is 00:32:09 What? Just because it's, right? No. We all have to go through what we have to go through to become the person we need to be for tomorrow. Tomorrow only knows survival. Us and our social cues of today tend to forget that, right?
Starting point is 00:32:35 Mm-hmm. Tomorrow, if tomorrow was a place we had to go to, you know how many people wouldn't make it? But we're so spoiled as to have it come to us that you can sit on the couch and be 600 pounds. Right? So, no, we all, life is just a maturation process. We're all on our own journey. Everybody has to go through something, some more extreme than others, but we got to go through something. The wise man was a fool.
Starting point is 00:33:02 You understand? Once upon a time, once upon a time, he will absolutely be. In order to learn your lessons, like, okay, this is my lady's revelation. It's never not been right now. So if you get it now, or you get it later. When you do get it, it's going to be right now. See, we all confuse right now with our right now. And if you confuse that, then you're the present moment, right?
Starting point is 00:33:26 When you finish, it's never not going to be the present moment. That's your right now. You just got to put your head down and just not worried about mine. Right? So don't confuse my now with your now Because right now was always going to be right now I saw at one point time you were living in your car for two years Mm-hmm
Starting point is 00:33:45 Was that your absolute lowest point that you've been? I wish You've been lower than living in your car Yeah that my fuck got repossessed That fuck ass bag my body my god got man it was on her name Yeah, I wish that was the worst I was sleeping outside. I was sleeping outside for real.
Starting point is 00:34:08 You sleep? Hold on. You was unhoused. Yeah, because my friend, like, you see him? Yes. I don't hold him accountable as far as, not accountable. I don't hold him responsible.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Right? Like, he called me, he will call me every night. Like, dog, just come on my couch. Listen, bro. We all love. He loves elephants at the zoo. Yes. When he comes down, sit on your couch, and half your house smells like it.
Starting point is 00:34:41 You don't want them in your house no more. I understood how big I was from an early age, so I don't put my burdens on my friends. I just let them help me. Like, he makes sure I'm in the gym. Why? He helped me? Because whether I'm in a house or a car or doing this,
Starting point is 00:34:55 he hold me accountable being in the gym every day at 9 a. Whether I got the money to pay him or not. Yeah, I've been worse than that. Like, my mother always. always told me to tell you what depression feels like, I'm not allowed to show you what it looks like. That's why if I cry a little, just act like you don't notice. It's a real thing.
Starting point is 00:35:17 You have a lot going on inside, don't you, Mike? Yeah, that's why I smoke a lot. A lot of crying. You do a lot of crying when you by yourself? No, when I'm on a basketball court, because I sweat. And you don't notice. You can't tell. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Yeah. What to make that crying stop? Just listen. Stop telling me what I mean. Just hear me. There's a little boy inside that wants to be held, that wants to be heard, that wants to be seen. How do we get that little boy heard?
Starting point is 00:35:54 How do we get him seen? Stop telling me who you think I am. I was saying my whole life. Stop telling me who you think I am. And just like, like, we judge decisions without knowing choices. You don't know the choices I had to, right? I made a decision based on the choices that I had. My stomach sometimes just gotta, you understand?
Starting point is 00:36:20 Maybe I gotta do that shit for $20. You don't know that, niggins says the strippers. She gotta eat and feed them babies, but you just so cool on judging pretty women was a thing. Right? We're just so cool, like everybody's just not us, so we don't like her. Everybody just don't do what we do, so we don't like them.
Starting point is 00:36:37 It's like, bro, birds, fire, fish swim. We are not the same. But God gave us all air. You don't judge. Why are you? That part. Just listen, bro. And not just to me.
Starting point is 00:36:56 You know how many fathers out here? Missing their kids. You know what I mean? Mothers out here and not telling the truth. And there's some fuck niggas out there. There's some niggas out there that's, that's, right? I'm raising one of their kids right now. I love her to death.
Starting point is 00:37:12 Right? Mm-hmm. Bro, just stop fucking. People just shit. How, as a listen to me, listen to you talk and I see the type of relationship that you have with your father, your mom, have you transported some of that into your, your relationship with women? What?
Starting point is 00:37:36 Your anger, your disappointment in your mom because you found out that she kept you away from your dad. Their dad was trying everything he possibly could to see. Unfortunately, I tried to have a family by just the wrong women. And just like my, just like my mom, they, oh, Kyia was four where her mom, decided to take her and the four for three years. Papa was four when his mom decided to take him for three years. Norie was three. Two.
Starting point is 00:38:13 They all used the crazy narrative that y'all all laughed at to take my kids away. Then I had no money, so I had to go continue to play and then got laughed at. And so it just kept continuing. And so now I got, I got 16-year-old at 6-4, Makaya Beasley. Awesome. She's mad at me right now because I haven't been there as much as I'm supposed to.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Right. But she doesn't know that her mom took her away from me for three years in the name of me loving someone else. Papo, the same thing. Right? His mom took in the way of me not loving her anymore. She even, you even stole my fucking house. whatever Mike
Starting point is 00:38:58 but yeah in the process of all this going on I just don't speak ill will of your kids parents I know I just say I would I would love to be there
Starting point is 00:39:09 have I ever you didn't hear me say one bad thing and don't no just like I give my mom grace I give them grace now that's the part I don't that's the part I do not like
Starting point is 00:39:19 about when people hear me speak yeah because you just try to just no no no I will never speak why This is the difference between man and women, right? Women don't know how to take, how to leave the hero or hero. Right?
Starting point is 00:39:36 Yeah. We over-sexualize these kids as women. Your dad did this to me. Your dad did. Remember we were just talking about kids don't know what they don't know? Correct. You were. Every time since you've been younger, when that mom calls the dad, what the dad say?
Starting point is 00:39:51 You better listen to your mom. Even if the dad, even if they arguing. Yes. Dads know how to keep the hero alive because. Because we know dogs, right? Moms feel, feel. So they tell kids lies in order to be writing their own story. Remember we told makeup?
Starting point is 00:40:09 The wolf and sheep clover. Women lie so much. That's why you can't ask them if they're telling the truth when they say they've been. Right? You can't ask them if they write. You just got to take the truth and then now, right, Kobe Bryant is dead now. We can't even defend his name. Right?
Starting point is 00:40:24 It's like people go through things as women and then y'all let women lie just because y'all want to fuck them in their makeup. That's why that's real shit. That's real shit and whatever. Money can solve a lot of things, but it can be a lot of, it can cause a lot of problems. What have you learned most about money, Mike? Uh, that is not, it is nothing. We think money will solve anything, but it's like, all right, cool, I give you $100 million right now and you don't know what to do with it. You're just going to, you know, you know, like 70% of the people that win the lottery broke?
Starting point is 00:41:00 Go broke, yeah. Because, one, you'll get that $100 million and spend $100 million and in the year you owe $50 of that but you got mortgages on all this. Right? And then it's like, money is not the root of all evil. The lack of knowledge is.
Starting point is 00:41:21 To see that 70, 80% of the people that player professionals within five years end up broke potentially finding Brank Rupsie divorced what is it that causes this situation
Starting point is 00:41:37 B's greed one I just told you the one the one lottery winner don't understand taxes I think you spoke about it on one of your podcasts I ain't giving my family
Starting point is 00:41:50 no money because I'm getting taxed at it and you that's what Michael said nobody teaches that right and then they all chastise us or make us feel guilty for not doing.
Starting point is 00:42:03 I used to go to my family like this. Like, yo, we're on a ship right now when it's a hole at the bottom. Mm-hmm. I can get off this ship and go on a lifeboat and go get, you know, it's going to sink. But by the time it gets life-threatening, I'll come back with a... Rescue everybody. ...with a bigger boat. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Or I can sit on this boat and party with you. It's all the same. to me. But when this money sink, me and mine getting on this life rap, we got. My family chose to sink because we don't know. We all came from the hood. Section 8, our whole life. So all they knew was to party and keep spending and keep spending. And I knew that this wasn't the way. I just didn't know the way to go. Right. And then I'm scared to leave my family, so I just chose to die with them. And then by the time, you know, I had kids. So that life wrote, that life raft. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:59 That I had enough room for. I got nine kids. I ain't got no one for y'all no more. You got nine kids? Ten. Ten. Mm-hmm. I told you, I'm raising a fucking nigga kid right now.
Starting point is 00:43:11 So I got nine, but a stepchild. You got nine of your own and another one that you call your child. The oldest is how old? 16. Youngest is three. You done? No. I'm done having kids, but if I shall fall in love,
Starting point is 00:43:29 and have a family. Yeah. And she wants a child. I want a family. I don't want to know kids. Yeah. I would love a family. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:35 You want to walk in the house one day. I used to. After practice, I used to love that shit. Walking house, honey, I'm home. Kids, nothing. Honey, all the time. No, I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:43:47 You want to, you want the ladies. Exactly. Like, I enjoy the woman running the house and the man running around it. Yeah. Because, bro, I've been to these niggas houses with no girlfriend. It's my, like, pee in the bathroom. I don't like it. As soon as you get a woman to doctor that shit up,
Starting point is 00:44:02 now you're the player. That's a home. Right? Yeah. Your house now, you only know what to do because she told you how to smell that mrs. Yeah. For women, they need to understand the power they have.
Starting point is 00:44:14 Right. Because a man is only as strong as the women he chooses to follow. But when they all out here want to shake ass after Meg and sexy red, lace fronts and this, it's like, now we're sitting here. What are we doing? Watching. and argue with niggas over who brings what to the table.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Ain't that a funny argument? You notice that too? That seems to be the theme not right now, B's. Yeah, but okay, from the man side, all the men saying is, yo, are you going to come here and help me pay some bills? That's it. This motherfuckers ain't making no money right now. In the business world, the black woman is the new black man.
Starting point is 00:44:52 They make more money than us, right? All the woman is saying is, I don't clean my house. Right? Because every woman will say to, oh, what you want me to come in here and cook and clean and cook? All right now, right now, as it stands, I pay my own bills and you pay your own bills, correct? Right. Cool. You telling me when I pay our bills in one house that you don't want to cook in.
Starting point is 00:45:15 I got one question to ask you, how many dirty tampons is behind your toilet right now? How many eyelashes is in your bed and when in the last time have you changed the sheets? Right. If you're complaining about laundry that, when the last time you bought new underwear, ew. We, oh no, bitty. Right? And then the high value man sit there and watches the women say, I want a man that want
Starting point is 00:45:47 $100,000, $100,000. And then what do we say to that? 100,000. Right? Well, we say, ew, I won't kick with dumb roaches. Wise men don't say nothing at all. But now we're in the era of the clothes, mouths don't get fed. So we just sit there, watch them argue at the table.
Starting point is 00:46:03 And remember, they said, from a distance, you can't tell who's, who the fool. That's what our women are doing today. And our b-nick-a-old. I tell women, if a n-old come to ask you what you bring to the table, tell him you not helping with your bills and move the, if a woman, I am the table. Tell her to go clean our house and move to the table. the fucking dirty, nasty.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Ew. That's real, that's real shit. It acts like real. That's what I think about the table. Bees, have you ever had a father figure? Yeah. You still hadn't? No.
Starting point is 00:46:44 I remember I told you I paid for it. You thought he was a father figure? Yeah, well, now I can't respect him because he won't even be honest about me paying for. So I love him. I love him everything he did for me. I got to respect it. This is why I got my isms from him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Yeah. but he can't look me in the eye and say sorry for the things he wasn't supposed to do to me not the things he did right nobody do things to speak right but the things he wasn't supposed to do he never looked me but yeah yeah i had a father figure he was a real nigga but you know i paid for that so i guess i am my father figure you said you used to get on face time with your mom and talk when she was getting ready to transition and you knew it Because I'm sure you're broke. No, I ain't know it, nigga.
Starting point is 00:47:33 You didn't know? Who the fuck know their mom going to die? I didn't know until my brother went home. Yes. I don't know. I ain't know. I'm a kid. I'm a kid, bro.
Starting point is 00:47:43 I just, you know. But if you say you were a kid, how old were you in the NBA when your mom paid? When my mom passed, it was my last year in league, 2019. So what? I'm 37 now. Is you 31? 30, 30, 30, 29, 30. 29, 30.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Okay. So I'm, I'm not my mom. I'm sitting there trying to. You didn't realize how. I think you were. Yeah, she was line tons. Oh, okay, okay. We thought she had stage two, but she really had stage four.
Starting point is 00:48:06 We're thinking, we're thinking, oh, my, you will beat this. We think, yeah, smoke a couple jays. That's the only reason I was smoking during the season. Yeah. Because I'm trying to get my mom to sing. She hated the week. We just tried to put her in her oatmeal and shit like that. I didn't think she was going down until my brother went home.
Starting point is 00:48:19 It was like, yo. And then that's what. She had lost a lot of weight and everything. Bro, you ever seen somebody take the last breath? Well. My mom, 6-1. Like, oh. almost like 165, 185 pounds when she.
Starting point is 00:48:38 She was at her best and then she had dropped all the way down. IHart Radio is throwing it back. 20s, the decade. To the days of huge hits and unforgettable albums. A non-stop stream of the biggest and best. Drake, Rihanna, Beyonce, Katie Gaga, the weekend. And more. All your decade defining favorites all in one place.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Hi, it's Katie Perry. Hey, it's Bruno Mars. This is Kesha. Find 2010's The Decade on the free IHeart Radio app. Preset the station, so it's always one tab away. The 26 NFL draft is here, and the NFL Daily podcast has it covered from all angles. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and Jordan Roderig, after night one on Thursday. Nick Shook joins me night two Friday and then Sunday to recap everything that went down over the three days in Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:49:29 We'll tell you who won the draft and which players were my favorite. Picks. Listen to NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place.
Starting point is 00:50:03 for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music.
Starting point is 00:50:19 The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:50:37 And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and a TikTok podcast network on TikTok. If you are a founder or a freelancer or the friend who always says, hey, you know what, what if I started that? This is for you. I'm telling you, I had nothing to my name. I didn't know a single person in New York. And somehow I'm dressed by Oscar DeLorenta walking down that red carpet. This month, we sit down with entrepreneurs and creators who actually did it, who turned this scary. relieve into a business, a paycheck, and a life they are proud of.
Starting point is 00:51:06 Direct center of our happiness or our regrets is whether or not we're taking action on the things that matter to us. They're not selfish. They're so important. They actually lead to our greatest contributions because when we're living fulfilled, we actually show up better everywhere. We lead better. We're better friends. We're better relationships and collaborators and all those things because we have passion about the things we're doing. If you're trying to build something of your own this year, join us in these conversations. that will make you braver and smarter with your money. Listen to Dos Amigos as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network,
Starting point is 00:51:38 available on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars, and now I guess also is the co-host of the Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist, and John and I have known each other since we were kids.
Starting point is 00:51:57 My first World Cup was Mexico 86. I was nine years old. I watched every game, and I fell in love. On our new podcast, the away end, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup.
Starting point is 00:52:09 For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable. And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game.
Starting point is 00:52:25 I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, it's beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Auer Kohn and John Green on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:52:41 or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, man. She may have weighed 40 pounds? What? She was a skeleton. You ain't never seen nobody go through that? I watched cancer my whole life. A lot of people died, like, my whole life was cancer.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Bro, these muscles you got all deteriorate, and then you see this elbow? that elbow goes to your shoulder and it's just like that thin and that's all you can see that's literally
Starting point is 00:53:08 all you can see and it's like that's why I couldn't play basketball I couldn't I couldn't understand what I was seeing the stronger person in my life
Starting point is 00:53:14 was a raising and then y'all laughed at me that's what this is like that's a real thing I really could I couldn't understand it I just really just couldn't understand it
Starting point is 00:53:23 and then nope nope did you share that did you share that with anybody that your mom was going through that I couldn't y'all laughed
Starting point is 00:53:30 Oh, he got the wrong shorts on. The day of my cousin's funeral. So that's what, so the wrong shorts on, the, it was the, the, your cousin's funeral. I was supposed to be in D.C. that day. You beat yourself up for not being there, don't you? Wrong shorts. Which I'll laugh.
Starting point is 00:53:48 And then they asked me why. I just laughed. And yeah, I know I had the wrong shorts on when I knew it. But think, like I said, they fit the same. And I was just trying to, I was, like, literally I looked at the team and said, bro, I'm not getting on this flight because they're going to think I'm lying about people dying. Right. And I let my n-knit down to a car, man.
Starting point is 00:54:07 In the situation you said sometimes, you get, you talk about the choice, you talk about the decisions I made, but you didn't know the choices I had the choice between. Not just me, all of us. Yes. You too. Yes, absolutely. Right? We sit here and judge everybody thoughts. Like, like we're grading the test.
Starting point is 00:54:27 No, man. Sometimes I got to let you think it. Sometimes I got let you feel it. Sometimes I'll let you just get it out. Because the more I can press it, the longer it's going to blow and blow and blow. You know what gas does when it's compressed, right? So, no, man, just let people be who they are.
Starting point is 00:54:45 Stop judging people so much, man. That shit just nasty. Mike, where would you be without the big three? Because it's three-on-three basketball. It gives you an opportunity to compete. it gives you an opportunity to play the game that you love. But if you didn't have that, I look at your ring, is that the championship ring?
Starting point is 00:55:07 Two-time back-to-back MVP. I like that's cute. You like you. Prior to the Big Three, what were you doing prior to the Big Three? I had my business trying to raise my kids. Just playing, just going to the gym, hooping. Paying $1,500 a month for a phone bill. Because, you know, I got nothing of them.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Just going to the gym with him every day. It's mind my business. Wasn't I? I don't care about this social shit. I don't care about these podcasts or these big threes. I was just happy being depressed about not being in NBA. You were depressed about not being in the NBA? At first I was.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Like, yeah, you just told me Kevin Durant is still playing and I'm younger than him. You don't think I want to still be, you don't think I still? Yes, absolutely. I was, nigga, yeah, heartbroken. And then when it comes time for my, my. My insurance, right? I got to pay a co-pay because I played 12 years in NBA. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:08 But they only giving me nine years of service with like three or four games missing. It's like, bro, nigga. So you want to go back and get those three games and then you be straight? Yeah, bro, I got to pay insurance for 10 kids because y'all, fuck up. I got 12 years of service. But yeah, I was depressed as fuck. I was fucked. And he the one got me out of.
Starting point is 00:56:27 That's what we the ones is. Yes. We the ones. And he was there today was like, right? I was just so depressing. Imar Shump was came in a gym one day. and I dogged his ass I love yourself
Starting point is 00:56:36 but I murked his ass so bad that I start screaming and shit because I used to only say this in my head like people just say let's go, let's go, let's go let's go
Starting point is 00:56:43 yeah nah I used to always I said we the ones because I could never just like differentiate the me and I right
Starting point is 00:56:51 so it's like I just talk to myself even today I just talk to myself I don't know me and I can't do it I can't
Starting point is 00:56:58 right so rather than to say let's go I used to always talk to myself come on like we don't want we don't want we want
Starting point is 00:57:02 but nigga just you know keeping me in the gym and he don't even know he did this for me. Right. If he wasn't forcing me to be in the gym, I wouldn't ever got out of that depression and we don't ones would have never been born. Right. And like that is just, you know, so, yeah. I'm going to throw up some names and let me know if you think you could beat them one-on-one. Why would you throw our names then?
Starting point is 00:57:24 You think you'd be the one-on-one? I know. I don't think. Hello. As we said here today, you feel you, you're the greatest one-on-one player. I've literally never lost. Okay, bam, that's my man And he can say to you You beat you?
Starting point is 00:57:38 Listen, listen Bam has beaten me one time How many games did it take him to beat me? How many years? Four summers It's like literally, like the way we do it in my gym Yeah We don't just go one on one one game
Starting point is 00:57:53 Right We'll play five or 11 or 15 We'll just play an odd amount of games Right So at the end of it, somebody has to win. Yes. That's who wins the day. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Right? So you're not talking about just one game, but yeah. We don't count that because you can be hot right now or I can be hot right now. No, the best one I'm going to do it two times, three times in a row. Oh, you go. Now, in four years, here I'll tell you, I went like four years straight without losing a game, period. I'm lying. To anyone.
Starting point is 00:58:28 I'm talking about we'll play 10 the game today, and I'm winning all 10. of them. We played 20 today and I went on 20 of them. Whoever come in this gym, I'm talking about for four years straight. BAM was the first person that got a day on me in four years and still he's the last person that got a day on me. Damn. Bam, the only person that got a day on me.
Starting point is 00:58:47 So with that being said, you're not surprised that BAM had an 83 point game. No, I've been telling y'all this. I've been telling him this. I hate the way he played. It wasn't supposed the right way, the right way, which I understand the right way. But you got somebody like that's going to be aggressive. If He'd go out there and shoot 40 shots again.
Starting point is 00:59:07 I don't think you could shoot 40 shots. Listen, listen. I'm not saying, do it. Listen what I'm saying. If he's that aggressive, you have no choice but to file him. We've seen it. That 83 was 40 free throws. Yes. Because he was aggressive and y'all had to stop him.
Starting point is 00:59:20 If he play aggressive like that every night, I ain't saying go shoot 40, just play aggressively. I promise you. But he'll have more than 20. If he play aggressive, I promise you he's going to shoot 15 free throws again. game. Right. That's right there. You're 30 right there. But he don't even play aggressive or look for the shots because of the system that he's in. Yeah. If I just put your foot on the gas a little bit and they ain't going like he, he's stronger than you. You ever been next to him?
Starting point is 00:59:47 Uh-uh. Bro, that man is a chop. Oh, nigger. Bro, I ain't lying too. I'm trying. Bram, one of the strongest most you ever seen in your life. I mean, you got to name bam. I mean, if you, yeah, if you, if he just put his foot on the gas, the other team has no choice but to file him. He's going to be shooting 10, 15-frey-thos a game. But he caught a lot of criticism. They say, but, man, they fight the doubt.
Starting point is 01:00:12 It's counterfeared. He should have, you know, some people say, well, Kobe, Kobe. Yeah, but you know how many people have been saying that the, well, 100 point same game is fake? Yeah. All right, cool, they're going to be saying the same shit. So what? I mean, I never thought, I mean, look, I am not going to lie.
Starting point is 01:00:28 I didn't think I see somebody get 80. I definitely didn't think somebody see somebody. Yeah. And I figured the thing is, you know, you know, And it behooves me to know that everybody in the NBA city had a player coming in this $1.50 and 25. And nobody brought a camera. So it's like, yeah, I can say the same thing about a hundred points.
Starting point is 01:00:49 But you ain't nobody had no cam quarters. Yeah, cool. So how did it happen or did it happen? Yeah. Or did it, right? It's like we've been hearing criticism my whole life, man. We're just going to criticize, extra criticized, ban for it. It's like, right.
Starting point is 01:01:02 You know, I think the biggest thing is what? Bam's game is because Bam is not looked at as a score. If it's Luca, if it's one of these guys that's a score, you know, James Hard or Donovan Mitchell, guy. I got my hand right. Dame Lilith. Go ahead. Talk to me.
Starting point is 01:01:15 LeBron James is not looked at as a score. No. Right now he's currently the all-time lead score in NBA hits. Okay, while y'all keep waiting for them to tell us what the score is. Because bam. Birds fly, fish, swim. Yes. We don't do the same thing.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Monkey climbed trees. Right? Yes. So if I'm waiting for BAM to do it like D-Rose, right? Right. It's like, bro, stop judging people because they don't do it your way. Right. Michael Jordan this and Clyde this.
Starting point is 01:01:46 It's like, cool, they did it they way. This is our version. We all wanted to be Michael Jordan. This is our best rendition. But y'all judge it because it's not Mike. Cool, bro. He got 10,000 points more than Mike. You can call him the greatest or not, nigga, the history books.
Starting point is 01:02:00 And remember I told you about that 100-point game? Yeah. Why, they ain't going to be thinking about that? Did you hear when Josh Hart said he could beat KD one-on-one? He can beat KD-1-1? Yeah. Josh Hart said he can be... KD. say he was smoking crack.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Wait. Josh Hart said he can beat James... Yeah. I ain't see that. He said that? Yeah. So he could be KD. One-on-one.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Oh, I could be KKD. 101? Oh. You think you get KD. 101? Huh? You think you get KD. 101?
Starting point is 01:02:36 I don't know about that. I don't know about that B. Out A, Reaper, slim. Hey, hey, can we can't, can't, can't, can't, can. Hey, can't, can't. I love, I love your thoughts. I won't disrespect your perspective. But while you and them argue about half full and half empty,
Starting point is 01:02:54 I'm just going to tell you it's a dirty glass. Remember I told you your truth versus the truth? Yeah. I just know. I don't think. So who could beat you one-on-one? So if I put, if I came to the table, say, okay. God curse me with this.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Don't get mad at me. Get mad at him. You talk to him. about that. Go to your prayers. I ain't got nothing to do with that. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'll tell you what. God sent it and I just signed for the package. I don't know how it got here. Yaki, no, you can think all you want to make it the right answer will always be that. I put 250,000 on the line. When or take off, we play it to 11. Put it up. Who beating you one-on-one? I tell you what? You know my call? A coach? My co-host. Rick Adelman. My co-host said he gets you. Hey, Batman, I love you to death, right? I haven't said your name because it's no joke, right? I want you to get healthy. I want you to get real healthy.
Starting point is 01:03:53 He's healthy, he's coming. Okay. I want you to get real healthy. I want you to come to my gym and I want you to do it the respectful way. That shit that me and Lance did, that shit was nasty. I don't play basketball like that. You understand? I'm gonna wait for you, Batman.
Starting point is 01:04:09 They ain't got to be involved. Keep them out of here. We know you're talking about. I ain't say no name, B. Dang. I'm like, hey, I'm over here. I told Ocho the same thing. He told you he seen me in Winwood.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Yeah, the boogeyman. Right? I'll stop talking. I know what I know. You're trying to get me to know something differently. I'm minding my black business. Yeah, that's the business is going to pay you. Everybody said that you did.
Starting point is 01:04:45 played LeBron one-on-one in Miami. No, the story was told wrong. Tell me the story, did. You, you hear. So I used to I used to play Bronn, I used to guard him in practice. Yeah. Right? And just, bro, I used to 94 foot this nigga. Just because
Starting point is 01:04:58 I wanted to make him better, but I wanted to be better. And then I wanted to get caught. You know what I? Yeah. One day, it was like mid-season, like, almost late season. And he was just tired. He wasn't scared of me. He wasn't, like, we wasn't playing one-on-one. he was just tired because we just come up a back-to-back with some shit.
Starting point is 01:05:17 You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Br, I was going to guard him 94 feet. I ain't going to fuck about that tired shit, right? You ain't try to hear that. Just out of respect. Not out of him. Yes, yeah, not a fuck.
Starting point is 01:05:27 But so I get down and guard him, and he yelled to the top of his lung. Mario Chalmers has guard me today. All right? So I looked at him and was like, no, you're not. No, you're not. No, I didn't say it, but I thought it. Yeah. I just got back in defense.
Starting point is 01:05:42 And he said again, Mario Chalmers is God and me today. Turn around, Mario, like, be, go ahead. And I went on game Chris Bosch the Blues that day. Oh, you put that work on Chris Bosch, huh? Yeah, yeah, but, nigga, Chris, I love Chris. Nick, Chris put, Nick, he worked me out, too. Like, don't just think it's one side of it, right?
Starting point is 01:06:04 But the reporter that told the story, he's there all the time, so he was able to see that I was playing defense on him in practice to hold. And then one day, he don't know. that Braun tired. All he sees is Braun don't want Michael Beasley to guard him. And that's the story
Starting point is 01:06:21 he ran with. Nobody gave, like, Braun was averaging 30, 40 points. At the time, I'm not realizing this, but you think he wanted to deal
Starting point is 01:06:30 with this nigga in practice every goddamn day? I'm carrying an organization. Right. Right? But, nigga, I was depressed, so I just let the story run.
Starting point is 01:06:38 You incorrect. You incorrect. Yeah, that's right. And then I was on Aiden podcast, right? And he asked me the same question. Yeah. Would you know this bitch
Starting point is 01:06:45 ass n' ass. Me eating them hot ass wings. But I was sitting there trying to keep it crying. Like, go watch that shit back. I was crying. That's all the reason I said. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I beat them.
Starting point is 01:06:54 I beat them. 30 times. But I just ain't wanted to eat the number one of the wings. That's it was hot as fuck. Nah, I never even played Brown one-on-one, like outside of, like, you know, we played a couple times in practice and shit. But, like, no, that story was just told me. Land Steve, you play last Steve for a hundred thousand. I made way more than that.
Starting point is 01:07:14 Look, these are shoes I will. I knew. He's going to ask me. Oh, look, you all the times in a basketball game. Yeah. Hey, hey, Deion, hey, look, when you send me that package, the bill that I was in, they was fucking over my package, bro.
Starting point is 01:07:26 I didn't get my package. But, yeah, that's why I wore these. Nika, these two million-dollar shoes. $100,000. I made a lot of money. So you play one-on-one for money? Huh? Do guys come to your gym trying to challenge you for one-on-one?
Starting point is 01:07:38 Yeah. I play for free. That's why they was dumb giving me money. But now you got to give me the money, because, look, we did. But you come to my money. gym, you just got to find what the gym is. We ain't never going to tell you. But if you can find what the gym is, man, listen, bro, I'm sharp in the sword just for the sake of the
Starting point is 01:07:53 sword being sharp. I don't sit here wait for the war to get started. You prepare for war in times of peace. Denzel Washington told me that. Right? Why y'all think I'm sitting here retired? No, it's sharp, man. I swear. So if somebody comes to the gym and they got, they come in the brown bag and they got 20K to say, hey, bro, one-on-one. What's time to keep their money and burn their ass up for free? No, you gotta get the money, B. Who gotta get the money? You! Why?
Starting point is 01:08:20 Because they challenges you. I will when you put the cameras on, but when we're getting better for the sake of getting better. Now, we're just men doing what men do. You know iron can only shop in iron? Right? So why the fuck was I being there swinging that jello? No, nigger, just come in here and bring your heart.
Starting point is 01:08:39 I don't get a fuck about your money. We men. The females love of money. Is there anybody playing currently in the NBA that reminds you of Michael Beasley? Yeah. Who reminds you of Beesley? Brandon Ingram and 610 with everything. J.T.
Starting point is 01:09:07 That's my n-t. Because you guys have been here for some, his rookie year, he every 13.9, 5.4 rebounds on 20. Your rookie year. So he's my, he's my, um. 9.5 graded car. He's my, um, he's my, um, he's my, um, he's my, um, um, um, he's my, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, he's my, um, um, um, um, um, Um, doppelanger? If Michael Beasley wasn't bad.
Starting point is 01:09:29 Because we average the same points, same, and they just gave him a chance. And I'm not saying that I would have did that because that niggas awesome, awesome. He's cold, cold. But I just like to think, you know. What could have been? I just like to think that, like, this could have been, right? So not only, like, do I see myself in him, but, like, I played him. He came to our gym, respect it.
Starting point is 01:09:50 And, man, the nigger can do it. He was strongest bam. All right. That boy can do it. But if I'm being honest with myself, I looked at Jason Tatum and Bam and said, I didn't lift weights enough. I wasn't disciplined.
Starting point is 01:10:07 You should have been stronger. Nah, I should have been, because I was strong as shit. I come out of college because I lift weights. Yeah. That's only what I did what I did in college because I lift weights every day. Did you live weight in the league?
Starting point is 01:10:15 Did you live weight in the league? Yeah, but. Not like you should. My life got a hold of me. And not in like the partying sense, But just, you know, my mom, my family just having to be there, having to be there. So I would have to leave a lot. And the heat just didn't have my back.
Starting point is 01:10:29 Rather than tell me, yo, lift, lift, lift. At the end of the rookie year, the beat writers put out, Michael Beasley and Mario Chalmers get fined $85,000 worth of missed lift weight. It's like, y'all always just laughed at me rather than ask me what was going on. They always talk about the negativity. They never talk about anything positive. Even now. Even now. It's like, you can't talk about me.
Starting point is 01:10:51 having 30 points or 40 points or a good shot or last shot without yeah but his mental issues it's like dog people just so stupid bees if you could go back and do anything if i can you know you know now here you are 36 37 years of age and i can get you to go all the way back what would you do different nothing how is what i learn the lessons you go through what you go through because god want you to go through it. Yes. If I would have changed, then you know how different reality will be even for you. You probably wouldn't be sitting here right now.
Starting point is 01:11:26 No. How selfish of me to just change? No, I learned the lessons I move on. Memories are what hold us back. Yesterday never happened. Tomorrow doesn't exist. If it wasn't for memories, we wouldn't know anything. Right?
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Starting point is 01:15:40 Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeart. Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's anything. I'm just grateful for the lessons. I'm just happy I can teach the next. Consequences. They say consequences, lessons without consequences,
Starting point is 01:15:58 there can be no lesson learned. Consensus is unnecessary. Necessary. Rich Paul said that if Michael Beasler had an opportunity to do it all over again, he would take a different approach. Who said that? Rich, Rich, Rich Paul. Because he said Michael Beasler.
Starting point is 01:16:12 He said I would take a different approach? Yes, he said you're one of the most challenging people. I think Rich Paul should take a different approach. When Rich Paul came to me at 25 years old, he came to me, and rather than admire who I wanted to be, I told him, I say, bro, I want to change my image because, like, I don't understand how I don't got a shoe deal or at least, right? I just told him I want to change. He looked at me and said, bro, it ain't no money for Michael Beasley off the court.
Starting point is 01:16:38 Which that turned me off to a meeting. Right. If I can do anything over again, I would have signed. with him because he looked at me and said, yo, I'm a dude, like, everywhere Brian go, you're going to go. Right. His approach was wrong, because I was 25 and I was still trying to be Brian. Right. I wish he would have seen that.
Starting point is 01:16:54 Rich Ball said, I love Rich. I love Brian. I love that. But they never accepted who I was. Well, Brian did. Brian, like, no, you know, a little bit. Rich never accepted who I was. Rich just always just wanted to, wanted me to do what he wanted to do without accepting, like, who you were.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Just like the rest of him, yeah. Do you wish you had gotten married earlier? Do you wish you had settled down with one woman, gotten married, been stable in a stable situation, and focused on basketball and became the best Michael Beasler you can become? Says Tim Duncan? Huh? Says Tim Duncan?
Starting point is 01:17:28 Yeah. Says Kevin Garnett? Yeah. Says how many times you've been divorced? I've never been married. So why do I got to get married? You don't want to do anything? Do I want a family?
Starting point is 01:17:41 Yeah, I tried for a family. But now, like I said, For me to wish I did over, I disrespect the lessons. I don't care about what happened and I learn what I learned. You learn what you learn. But now going forward, I don't trust these women to be honest. They can't go out. Like, okay, I ask women, judgment day, the all-knowing, all-seeing, the unneeded one.
Starting point is 01:18:10 What do you say? how do you say it, what do you wear, and how much makeup do you got on? I know if I created something and gave y'all everything y'all needed and y'all came back and made this, I'd be pissed. Do you think it's hard to find the woman in the NBA? It's hard for you as an NBA player
Starting point is 01:18:33 to find someone, you'll find your forever partner. Or do you need to have met her before you got into the NBA? Everybody's different. Ray Island got to dope his wife. They've been married for a long time. Bronn's been married for a long time. Steph Curry made his wife at college. Y'all I disrespect, Brian.
Starting point is 01:18:56 Bron is literally life goals. Literally life goes. The only thing you can say bad about him is his shot. Been married to his high school sweetheart still. In the NBA longest, right? My son is in the NBA and my other one is coming. Yes. Shut up.
Starting point is 01:19:15 If I'm, right? So, yeah, like, I love that part, but I don't think my mom raised me to be like that. My mom always taught me how not to get caught. Y'all was always taught not to get in trouble. So I just... How are you raising your kid? What type of father are you? I'm just honest.
Starting point is 01:19:37 Honest. I just, I keep adults, like, because how do you? Almost 58. People tell you to act your age, but when you turn 59, you've never been there before. Right. So how do you know? Right? So I'm just honest as long as they age allows.
Starting point is 01:19:54 I would never tell my 16-year-old things that I've been through when I was 25. Right. He's never been, he's not that age. She. She. She. She's not going to understand it. Right.
Starting point is 01:20:05 Right. I would never tell Mikey things that had happened to me at 30 because he's not going to, right? If a thief come to your house, you don't know if it's a thief or a regular person. But the second you tell him, don't steal the things in my house now you can't. tell who's who. Right? We let one situation jade us all. You understand? So no, I tell my kids the truth how they see it. Right. Their business is not their business because I'm an adult and they're what? Child. They do what I say? Why? Because if you're not scared of your parents, you're not scared of the coach, not scared of the cops, and you're not scared of life. Discipline is needed.
Starting point is 01:20:48 So scared to, you know, whatever. Your kids, you see, you mentioned LeBron and playing with his son, Bronte, particularly have another one, Bright, playing in it. Are you okay? If you're okay with your kids don't play basketball? Are you okay? Do you want those kids? What do you want for your kids?
Starting point is 01:21:05 To be kids and then growing to be teenagers and then they're growing to be adults. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. You want to take credit for everything good they do, but if one of them become a cry kid, are you going to take credit for that? No. We all want to take care of it for the good. No, you do your job, and when they fly, you just let them fly.
Starting point is 01:21:24 Right. If you're able to catch them if they can't, you know, that's your fault as a good parent. Right. That should be living in his own, flying his own. But, you know, we love them. So if they fall, we catch them. But their life is their own, right? They want to be a sciences, they want to be a basketball player, they want to be a football.
Starting point is 01:21:44 No. The only thing I don't let my kids do is play football. kids do to play football. Whoa. You don't watch it. Huh? You're going to watch it. Why you don't like football?
Starting point is 01:21:52 Because if they fall in love with it, that's the only thing I'm going to tell when they can't do. CT is a real thing and y'all act like it's not real. Yeah, it's real. Yeah. Like, the pay, the health care afterwards. Albert Hangworth's one of my real friends. And like the way he was paid in the NBA and the way they treated them, I mean,
Starting point is 01:22:09 in the NFL and the way they treat them after the NFL, like, how dare I tell my kids to pick up a football? Like, I need him. helping and like you're the good one but what about the ones that junior say i was yeah right y'all just call them crazy until what y'all can dissect their brain right now ask questions man go go home with these people right but nah man that's too much banging in the head squirrels don't deserve that you think you can play in the NBA today yeah somebody called you right now to say B's we'll get you no i don't think i know so you can make a roster if somebody gave you a legit
Starting point is 01:22:47 do you watch me every day No, I'm asking you. But yeah, I'm supposed to say yes. No, but you'll be honest, though. You've been honest with me the whole while. So, yes. You thinking, yes, 100%. Yes.
Starting point is 01:23:00 Like, I'm kind of upset with you right now. Why are you upset with me? Because I was originally told that this was going to be on tomorrow. Yeah. And it was on today. Yeah. And I couldn't get my work in this morning. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:23:15 Who do you think is the best player in the NBA right now? As we sit here today. Right now? Right now. I think Shay is. She figured out how to score the best. Yeah. I think Aunt passes the best eye test.
Starting point is 01:23:33 Yeah. I think LeBron thinks the best. Yes. And I think Wimby has the most potential. Well, you got Yolkich. I think Yolkish is the only anomaly that I've ever seen. Right, bro, I hate him, man. I never see anything like Yoke.
Starting point is 01:23:50 Br, he just make it look so chill. So, like, honestly, I think just stat wise and winning wise, Like, Yokits, yeah, 100%. You know, it's just... Because normally we see guys be there, so we look at Jordan, we look at COVID, we look at the bra, we look at super athletic guys. All right, all right. If I was Russell Westbrook, I would be mad at Yokic.
Starting point is 01:24:10 Because it's like, I come and do the Oscar Roberts thing for four years straight, and that was history. And now this nigger just walking on triple doubles every night. He just sleeping on him. He's going to lead in rebounding, Elsius, which is true. Yeah, stat wise, winning wise, playing their own way. You got to say jokish. You understand?
Starting point is 01:24:34 But like I said, Brian think the best, when we got the best, most potential, Shay score the best, and pass is the best I test. What's the best pickup game you've ever had? I don't know, nigga. How many we didn't have some niggas in that gym. Y'all be going at it? I went against T-Mack before. How'd you do?
Starting point is 01:25:01 I didn't know I did good. Like, I went to T-Mack house, and to me, I was busting ass, but, like, nobody told me I was busting ass, so I just went home just thinking I didn't. And then he come on his fucking TV, to tell me Michael Bainesville, the best player I've ever seen him. He ain't tell me that shit while I was at Houston. Nick, I want to be your friend.
Starting point is 01:25:20 So you wanted to, he didn't tell you that did, and he told you that years later. Yeah, he said this shit like maybe. But it's like at the time I was so scared to even just be at this house. I was just like damn, nigger, like this nigga got a blast fuck on this house. What the fuck? Like, like, nigger. Like, literally in his living room.
Starting point is 01:25:37 Right. Like, you can see his fucking ears and shit while we hooping. You know what I'm saying? The fuck fire and shit. I was in there just nervous. There's T-Mack. I was just happy to just be there and shit. But I was just nervous and then when I left and they didn't want to kick it with me again.
Starting point is 01:25:52 That was only time I was at this house. So I just, I just didn't know they like. didn't think they liked me. But then, you know, he said what he said. So I was just... Give me your top five rap hoopers. Rap hoopers? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:06 Master P. P. Who else who? Dave East, C.B. Jay Cole. I played with Dave East. Are he good? He played on my A.U.
Starting point is 01:26:16 Yeah. He was good. He was just like lethal shooter, not shooting as far. Yeah. Or your three-bun shooter. Jaycoe, I never seen him hoop. He looked trash to me, though. What about Breezy?
Starting point is 01:26:26 Chris Brown? Yeah. Man, Chris Brown like what? Five or 11? No, he's six. I ain't, I ain't never seen a hoot. I don't know. He looked trash to me.
Starting point is 01:26:35 Cuevo said he can hoot. I seen Cuevo shoot before, but he can just make shots. He can't, nigga, his jump shot looks trying. But Quabo can hoot, though. I ain't go, like, he can hoop. Jay Coe about to play in China. I never seen Jay Coe by the play in China. He looked trash to me.
Starting point is 01:26:51 I don't know, but, you know, I never seen him in person. Want me allotted to you? No. You really got me in a strip club. right now. Think about the bees. How upset of you that weed is legal now in the NBA?
Starting point is 01:27:10 Why would I be upset? Because it was different when you played. Because just think about if you played now what they judged against you, what they held against you, you beat. That's not true. It's still okay.
Starting point is 01:27:26 It's getting judged today. They ain't judged now. Guy smoked weed is a thing. Now, everybody smokes. We seem like, everybody smoked me. Everybody smokes me. They're not getting in trouble. for it, right they still getting judged for?
Starting point is 01:27:34 Yes, but I'm saying. I just got in trouble for it and judged at the same time. They're not getting in trouble for it because it's legal. Yeah. Why do you think some of these number two, number one picks are not getting the contracts they're supposed to get? Because you still getting judged for it. I can judge you silently.
Starting point is 01:27:56 Right. That's my feelings. You don't got to know I'm judging you right now. But I don't know of society. You think I like your sneakers. But it's society judging us. Yes. You think society judge you for weed.
Starting point is 01:28:07 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Yeah. Say Drew. Say something bad about them. See your camera right there. Say gay. Say you don't like the alphabet community. Say it.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Oh, right there. No, I'm saying. But while you're sitting there telling me society don't judge. No, I'm not saying society don't the judge. You're the same person. The same person that just asked me of LeBron and Memphis. Yeah. Bro, yes, they judge, like literally.
Starting point is 01:28:34 The questions we get asked, we'll give you our thoughts. Yes. And then you guys are grade them as the answers of the test that we don't know we're taking. So do they judge? Yeah. Do I wish they didn't judge me? Yes. Am I mad about it?
Starting point is 01:28:50 No, because I wouldn't be able to speak to you as I'm speaking to you now. But you do realize anytime you have an opinion on anything, no matter what the topic is, somebody's going to be diametrically opposed to what you said. How pity the fool. Why is that my business? You know I only go to sleep with my own mind. Nipsey Hussu said, would you rather be at war with the world and at peace with yourself or at peace with the world?
Starting point is 01:29:16 War yourself. But you guys judge me for what I do. I'll go home. People in my head I make friends with. It's okay. Stop acting like you don't hit them. And you come outside and then they act, they act, they act, and then you got to act and then you ask me what judgment is.
Starting point is 01:29:39 It's real. I'm at peace with myself. That's all that matters. Man. You got a clothing brand. Your clothing brand, we the ones. Oh, oh, we them ones. We them ones.
Starting point is 01:29:51 How did the clothing brand come about, and what does we them ones mean? We the ones is like a single applaud. Okay. Right? So, like, we all men that can't speak about our feelings, but I just want you to know that, like, even though you're alone, you're not.
Starting point is 01:30:07 That's where we them ones come from, right? And it's just something I used to say in my life. something I used to get through. Everybody say, let's go, and I just didn't want to say let's go. I always ask myself, like, go with. Right. So I just always say we're the ones. And I told you I was depressed when I, like, around 2018, 19, and just didn't know why the NBA didn't want me. Right. So like, it's just in the gym with my guys, just being there every day and just remember and why I fell in love with the game with no money involved. Right. It's just, you know, it just gave me confidence to say it out loud. And we just, you know, it just gave me confidence to say it out loud.
Starting point is 01:30:41 I think we got the date the first time I said it out loud, playing one-on-ones against Amman Shumpur. And I ain't know it was a thing. I didn't, I was, you know. And people started saying it back, like, it was cool, like, it was cool, you know? So it was something organic. And then it's like, you know, I like, Nike never gave me a shoe deal. So I, you know, just trying to make my own Nike. Right.
Starting point is 01:31:04 But you also created a music app. Tell us about the music app that you created. I ain't created. My man, Omar created. Okay. You know, I'm just, like, kind of help him. But it's called Aria. It's like basically like Instagram.
Starting point is 01:31:19 Like TikTok. You know, you go viral for a song, you go viral for whatever. You drop your song on there and it's licensed through. And we only take in a small percentage rather than you going to get a big music deal. So, you know, you can go viral tonight. Right. And if the song is as good as you think it is, you wake up or six weeks from later or the next night,
Starting point is 01:31:40 you can wake up with 10, 20, or 20, 100 subscribers. Like, I'll show you, I drop one song just to fuck around. Yeah. And I got seven people paying me $5 a month. I don't f*** that. Right. But it's like, duh, I got $7.
Starting point is 01:31:55 You know, and it's like, I just think that's cool for one to just express yourself and two, you know, you get paid while you're doing it. Right. You know, so. You're in the gym. You mentioned that you're in the gym every day, working on your craft trying to get better. Obviously, you're back-to-back MVP in the big three. You want a championship in the big three.
Starting point is 01:32:13 What is your goal? You're in the gym every day. Is it just for exercise, or are you actually working on your craft trying to get back? So one of my favorite quotes is, you go looking for God and find yourself, turn around and look for yourself and find God. So that's like how I was with the gym.
Starting point is 01:32:32 Like right now, I've just been finding myself. And the God that I've found is, and this is why I tell you I wouldn't change my past because the pain that I was able to endure and keep showing up and show has been a lessons to the kids of what not to be. Right.
Starting point is 01:32:51 And we laugh about it and we got some good kids that came out of our gym trying to think of Manga's, Desmond Baines, and that made some real way better than Michael Beasley money. Right?
Starting point is 01:33:06 So without those lessons, I wouldn't be able to teach the way I'm teaching in the gym. So I went looking for myself and I found we the ones and now we're the ones has turned into what it is today. And now we're looking to, not even looking,
Starting point is 01:33:20 we're in a process of building gyms here, Atlanta's, our second city. We're building a one-on-one gym, one-on-one league. And we're doing everything from youth sports. So I know what I said, what I said about NIL and much of children involved. Yeah. But we're going to try to do it the right way.
Starting point is 01:33:40 Okay. So where kids can not only know how to monetize themselves, but they can have something to fall on if sports, not only basketball, but all sports, if sports don't work out. So I literally just use my lessons, use my pain, and just try to teach. Michael Beasley.
Starting point is 01:33:58 Appreciate you, bro. Y'all know who it is. It's your favorite uncle, and I want to thank 11 nightclub for having us. We could not have done this without you, so I appreciate the last three days and what you've been able to done. We want to thank your staff.
Starting point is 01:34:10 We're going to thank the everybody that was a part of this that made this possible. the wonderful Marissa that brought us the drinks every day that we came out. So everybody at 11 nightclub, thank you so much for your hospitality. And everybody at club, Shea, wants to thank you because none of this is possible without you. So thank you guys. We really, really appreciate it. And we look forward to coming back down here and shooting again with you guys soon.
Starting point is 01:34:31 Thank you very much, 11. All my life. Been grinding all my life. Sacrifice. Hustle paid the price. Want a slice. Got the roll of dice. That's why all my life.
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