Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Michael Irvin Part 1

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup!  Michael Irvin joins Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for a powerful and unfiltered conversation about his life, career, and the stories behind the Dallas Cowboys dynasty. Irvin opens up about celebrating Sterling Sharpe’s NFL Hall of Fame induction and what it meant to see the Sharpe brothers standing together at the podium. He reflects on his first love of basketball, his lifelong friendship with Mitch Richmond, and a near arrest that the Miami police let slide because Richmond was set to be drafted into the NBA the next week. He recalls competing in a Foot Locker Slam Dunk Contest with Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, and Deion Sanders, and says adding NFL players would revive the NBA Dunk Contest. He shares how NFL teams used to play basketball against each other in the offseason, go bowling, fish, and gamble together, and why he believes Florida produces the best athletes over Texas, Georgia, and California because “the greatest pain creates the greatest gain.” Irvin reveals his Mount Rushmore of Florida football players: Deion Sanders, Ray Lewis, and Jerome Brown. He also names himself the only offensive player on the Miami Hurricanes’ Mount Rushmore alongside Ray Lewis, Warren Sapp, and Ed Reed. He wore #47 at Miami because Jimmy Johnson joked he was like a Boeing 747 landing in the end zone. Irvin explains how he kept the Green Bay Packers from drafting him because of the cold, and that the Rams wanted to draft him but the Cowboys selected first. He talks about nearly being traded until Jimmy Johnson fired the offensive coordinator instead and says the Cowboys’ first Super Bowl win was the hardest but most rewarding. Irvin speaks on Micah Parsons, his $100M podcast, and Parsons’ pursuit of being the highest-paid defender in the NFL. He shares his thoughts on modern athletes and social media. He details his talks with Travis Kelce about chasing a three-peat, admits he still can’t get over missing a catch that cost Dallas a three-peat, and crowns Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce “America’s Dream,” while saying the Chiefs haven’t replaced the Cowboys as “America’s Team.” Irvin calls Kelce his favorite player and even discusses Kelce’s engagement to Taylor Swift. He talks about buying a home with an eight-foot gate with his first NFL extension, how he learned financial literacy, and caring for his large family with his first $1M check. Irvin dives deep into the infamous Cowboys “White House” era, sneaking women into hotels, Jerry Jones questioning him about it, and explaining to Jones he was “trying to do the wrong thing the right way.” He recalls being found in a hotel room with drugs, the district attorney threatening him, and wearing a mink coat to court to distract the press. Irvin admits that his arrest changed him, the Cowboys, and his leadership forever. He recounts slicing Everett McIver’s neck with scissors at training camp and apologizing after nearly killing him, fights at Miami over music and meals, and says he’s been fighting his whole life. Irvin talks about being suspended for five games in 1996, how it permanently altered his career, and separating his identity from football. He recalls his mother calling him “the chosen one” among her 17 children and shares the story of his last game in Philadelphia in 1999, Deion Sanders praying over him, and his wife opposing his return to the field. He reflects on being part of Tom Landry’s last draft class, crying over losses as a rookie, and how “football isn’t about skill, it’s about will.” Irvin shares stories about Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, and Charles Haley, and recounts the Cowboys’ dominance over the Buffalo Bills and 49ers. He analyzes why Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones couldn’t coexist like Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft, calls Al Davis “Michael Corleone,” and recalls Davis telling Jerry Jones not to trade him to the Raiders. Irvin discusses recruiting Deion Sanders from the 49ers, Shedeur Sanders’ future with the Browns, and Dillon Gabriel. He says Dallas could’ve won in 1998 if they traded for Randy Moss and that he should have three national titles with Miami. He shares thoughts on Travis Hunter, today’s receivers, and Denzel Washington’s quote on Jerry Jones: “All money ain’t good money.” Irvin believes Micah Parsons should’ve been Dallas’ Patrick Mahomes and sets expectations for CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens, and Dak Prescott this season. He opens up about his wife’s early onset dementia, her loyalty despite his mistakes, and the care she receives from their family. He weighs in on Rampage Jackson’s son’s viral altercation, Cam Newton’s comments on Jalen Hurts, and recalls his father raising 17 children and teaching him lessons about hard labor. Finally, Irvin reflects on why football is the ultimate team sport, how one player can’t win a Super Bowl alone, and why the Cowboys still have a shot at another championship this season.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is why all my life, I've been grinding all my life. Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay-She. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shishay. Stopping by for conversation and a drink today is an NFL icon. He's a Cowboys legend, one of the greatest receivers of all time. He's tied for the most 100-yard receiving games in the season. He's a three-time Super Bowl champ, three-time all-pro, five-time pro bowler.

Pro Football Hall of Fame. He once led the NFL in receiving yards in a single season. season. He's an all-decade member of the 1990s. He played his entire career with one team, America's team, a national champion with the Canes. He's one of Florida's, he was on the Florida's all-century team.

University of Miami Sports Hall of Famer, Texas Sports Hall of Famer. He was inducted into the Cowboys Ring of Honor. Fearless competitor, clutch performer, and a vocal leader, sports analyst, broadcaster, season commentator. He's a father, a husband, a brother, a son, and a great, great friend. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. Playboy.

That's a hell of an intro. That's a hell of an intro. Did I do you right? Did I do you right? You don't even put, God. That's all you, right? I always wanted to hear an intro like that, man, but that really means you're getting old. That's what that really means you start getting all them line-ups like that.

But guess what? You get to hear it. You get to hear it. Because you know normally when they give you one like that, you don't know nothing about it. When you give you that one set of flowers. set of flowers. Here's what you need to hear. Here's what's on top of your grave. At the same time, and you

go. So you're right, I get to hear while I'm in time, and I'm not in... Man, you know, I got my own cognac. I don't know if you partake, but it's early today. It's about six o'clock. Man, it's good time. It's good time. This is my time. You know what I mean? And we

don't put it into work, Shed. Yeah. We can stop early if we won't and do a cognac. We can do that right now. Oh, Shannon? That's rich, man. That's like, that ain't that made on the hood or nothing. That's real stuff, that's shit.

Yeah, that's the real stuff, Mike, you know, come on. That's that real stuff, that boy. Mike, Mike, we go back 30. That's all right, man. How's that doing? How's the business doing? Doing really well. We do it really well.

We come into Dallas. Man, that's great, man. That is great right though, buddy. I appreciate that. Man, how you being, Mike? I'm doing great, Shannon. I am absolutely doing fabulous. I really am, man.

I mean, you know, I saw you at the hall, what, about almost a month ago. A little bit of three weeks ago was at the hall, and you know how we do. We get together in our little group, me, you, we back in the back of the bus, we laugh at and talking. I had to do a little bit more serious this thing because I was with my brother. Had to be a little bit more serious. But normally you and I, we're always cutting up. And I told you, man, I had so much fun. And I'm not going to lie, man.

This year, because I've been through things, you know what I mean? And, you know, I reach out, I tell you, I love you and stuff like that when you're going through. and I was watching it. Because how we see the hall, right? I'm still here, that's our brotherhood. Yes. And I know you felt everybody was trying to get around. You're right.

In here, we ain't thinking about that. Correct. And here is us. And just to see that whole night, that whole week, you know, we laughing, messing with each other everywhere, messing around. And then to see Shannon, to see you up there with your brother. Because I know what it means, your brother. And I don't know if people know the relationship I have with Sterling, me, him, Tim coming in together, always talking, competing together. You know, I knew I got to worry about that joker.

I got a word about that joker. Let me tell how they got me. I promise you, when I was here, when it came before I came to Miami, and I was playing basketball, I set a workout at a certain time. I did my workout for all the scouts. I'm shooting basketball. Gil Brant comes late on purpose. And he said, I wanted to see what kind of competitor to your, he came in. He comes in the gym, and they said, Gilbrant, Gilbrant's from the Cowboys Valley.

I said, my workout's done. My workout is done, man. You're done with it. I said, I already did the workout. The Joker came, and he said, oh, he just wanted to talk to you then. He came and talked to me. He said, yeah, he said, yeah, everything's going good. He said, but you know, we're going to take a receiver.

I understand the missed the workout. I can get it on tape. but I just left Sterling and boy did he look good I said let's go work out I said let's go work out mom let's go get the work out of here I said let's go get the workout out of it I said let's go get the work out of here

I went out and put that work out here that's how we battle man that's what brings you that close man so you know yeah that was funny man but I love seeing it and they saw you back on that talk right up there brother I'm telling you You, appreciate that.

That did my heart so well. Appreciate the idea of my... Of course, I was laughing with you the whole week, so shit, you're trying to. But, but with the serious face all in front of the camera. We have fault. We have fault. We have fun. This episode is brought to you by prize picks. You and I make decisions every day, but on prize picks, being right can get you paid.

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I don't, like, I played with some top guys and played well with guys. Well, we got football just had a different confidence on the court, you know what I mean? And I was like, man, and I'm not a one or two, you know, I'm a rough guy, so I can rough these jokes in high school and maybe even college. Right. But at six two or six three, you ain't going to be roughing them jokes at another level. You know what I mean? And so I used to be out there, Mitch Richmond, who's my best friend growing up. Right.

Mitch Richmond and I, that's who I played with all, we used to. play high school and go around beating everybody all the time. You know, Mitch went, he's a Hall of Famer. Yes. So Mitch and I, we grew up together. By two weeks before we got drafted, we were all in Miami. Mitch is about to be a top five, pick, top ten pick. I'm about to be a top ten, 11 pick in the draft.

And we're eating at Denny's somewhere right across the street from the University of Miami. And I don't know, somehow we ain't got, nobody has any money. Nobody has any money. Damn. Man, we ate all this damn food. They called the police. And we were like, oh, my God. Man, how do you mean?

I got no money. Police come, man. They're ready to take us to jail because we ain't got no money. And we're like, listen, we're getting drafted in a couple of weeks, man. We'll come back and pay it. The cops took care of it. They paid it. They said, boy, y'all got it.

I swear, I don't know how we messed this up. But Mitch and I was so tight, man. And I always thought if Mitch made it, I could have made it. Yes. But Mitch was a shooting guard. Mitch could shoot that thing. And I could shoot, but I couldn't handle the ball like that. So football for me was my way.

I've always said, my brother tells the story. Like, when you come from rural South Georgia, there's really no one to look to that if you want to be, let's just say a doctor. We didn't know any doctor. If you wanted to be a lawyer, we really didn't know any lawyer. But if you want to be a professional athlete, it's not like it is now where guys are accessible.

You have the Internet, or you could go to a game and you can meet these guys somewhere. There was no one like that for you and I to look up to and say, you know what? That's what I want to be like except on television. But we didn't have access

where we could physically touch or talk to that individual. Our game came from, I don't want to be him. Yes. I want to be like him. It's like I'm not going to be him. That's how we fall.

And honestly, because of where we come from, you know, and so funny you bring this up. Because of where we come from, you sit and be like, man, you know, turn. And he tells somebody, I'm going to make it to the lead.

Boy, who you know made it to the league? That's exactly what they say? They always say that. Like, why I got to know somebody? They want to go do something. Because you know what, Mike? When we were growing up, if you got a job, somebody helped you get that job. Right.

If you got a job at the porch, you had to know somebody that worked at the porch or the fruitcake. Well, you knew. You knew somebody. Who you saw that. So now who you know. And that's the way you know. You're going to get it? That's exactly how they have.

Who you know you're playing. So what you're going to make sure? Right, right, right. But I'm going. You better have a backup plan. Yeah, I'm going to have a backup plan. Y'all going to back up when I get my money. That's what I'm going to do.

Back up when I get my money. They ain't going to back up. They never will back up. But you know what I mean. Right. But it's it. And I started studying that too. That's funny bringing up because I was studying for my kids, my kid.

My kid was in the music. And he'll be beating on things, you know, all the time around the house. And he's rapping out under Tarotino. And I started studying it because, like you saying, no, no, no, saying no to him, you shouldn't say no. Like they say that he may be walking out his talent or working out his talent. So I have to say to him, he lied to. Everybody's not ready to hear it at this time.

Right. But I don't want to say no, no, no. And they surmise that African Americans hear the word, no, no, no, no. so many more times than any other group. Like even if you said, Mom, I'm going to quit my manager job and go back to school. Boy, you better not do that, boy. You quit that good job.

Well, you got a good job, boy, quit that good job. But I'm going back to school. I'm going to get better than any other culture. That's a great idea. We'll help you. You get rid of that apartment. Move back in the house while you're doing it. So you can say, you know what I mean?

So I wanted to get out of that. No, no, no. And really, really, learn. But most, I tell my people, look, when you have a great calling, a great calling, something deep down inside of you, the next thing you'll have to show it's courage. Because once you share that calling, everybody else's going to say, boy, who you know, you know what I'm saying? So you got to have courage. Right. And sometimes out of love.

It's not even negative. They love you. Right. And they're doing it out of love, but they didn't feel the call. So you just got to go with that call and have the courage. should overstep what they're saying, but I understand. You remember that 1992? I think it was Foot Locker that put on the slam dunk contest.

I think were you, Griffey, Bonds. Oh, so there. Time. Godly, yeah, time. All of us, boy, that was a great. I don't know why they stopped doing that. They stopped doing the NFL fans. The way you can bring back the NBA dunk contest

is making NFL players. Boy, I get wrong to you. You let NFL players, like you let a Miles Garrett get in that thing. And, dude, let me tell you so, that made me retight. When I started seeing this kind of athleticism, we were playing a basketball game against Washington. They had just drafted LaVar Arrington. Boy, right, a reunion arena, I'm shooting back, we've been winning. Lamar gets that, LeVar gets that ball.

And from the feet, though, the line, I would say, damn, this is 250, 60 pounds flying. I said, boy, it's time for you. But, Mike, they don't remember. They used to, the teams used to put together basketball teams in the offseason, and they would travel around. The Broncos would play the Raiders. The Raiders would play the Cowboys. The Cowboys would play. I ran the Hoops.

Yeah, yeah. By 8 or 9, and, you know, they would see who had the best. And we played it. We mess around. We play around. And then we go mess around, pan around. After the game. You see what I said? We mess around in the game. And then we play around. You're serious. It is trying to win. Exactly. And then after the game. Yeah, we know. And when we had, I don't know if we talk about this in the documentary. I don't know if we were even brought up. But we were, oh my God, man, around here. And we were winning Super Bowl. So we're going to the McCallan, the Brown. And boy, they were, hey, boy, I ran it so I would get the whole floor.

Right. I made them rent out the whole floor. I didn't want anybody on our floor because that may be, yeah, we just need to keep it in the family. You know what I'm saying? So they gave me the whole floor. And we had some great times. We would win games. We would play the fire department.

Yeah, that's exactly the way. Right, right. It's all chair. Yeah. And you sit around, sign. And then you go to the spot. It's your spot. man, those are great times.

They don't do that stuff now. They don't do that stuff. But back then, it was, football teams were more, you know, we did all that. We did all that time. We went bowling. And I tell people this all the time. I say, I don't know how close teams are because I've been retired for two decades. You've been retired two plus decades.

But we went bowling. We went to movies. We did things together. We went fishing. We did things together. I mean, we rolling dice. We're rolling dice. We're rolling dice.

I mean, we might not get home. Practice might end at three o'clock. got meetings, guys weren't getting home to seven o'clock. Right, right. Man, I remember asking me, Steve Beck, would have told the story to, man, y'all going to get me the boards. I'm up here, right, right. I'm going to roll a guy with two guys.

I'm going to bed on. Right, right. But you know what? You know, the importance of it. And I try to tell people this. That's why here in Dallas, they were not going to the hotel the nights before a game. I said, what are we doing?

And you know, and you win championships by making a commitment man to man. Right. One man to the other. That's why I was sharing with Miami. I will get my job done. Now, the coach's job is to create moments so you can make them damn commitments to each other. Yes.

And the team, that's what we're doing. We're creating moments so we could make that commitment. We're being week three, and I'm eating dinner with Eric Williams. And we're eating after we're all together. I'm like, hey, big fella, week eight, you got Reggie White coming in here.

I got him, I got them. I'm just letting you know. Reggie White coming in. You know, week four, we're doing it again. Big fella. That was a good win. But we got Reggie White. You're still in me alone by Reggie White.

I said, okay, he's going to be ready. He's going to be ready. It's just ways you're trying to get that commitment made, one man to another and get the job done. Who do you think? What state has produced the best athletes? Georgia, Florida, Texas, California. I love this battle because, you know.

He's closer. Look, it ain't about a handful of states this city. It's Texas, Georgia, California, and Florida. That's the only, look, Louisiana, Ohio, I'm sorry. But it's really a 14th. It's a 14th race. I'm with you on that. And y'all know where I'm playing my flag.

Now, now, now, they got some athletes here. They got some athletes here, man. But it's usually, usually the greater the pain, the greater the game. Yes. And we got great athletes in all of those places. But out all of those places, the greatest pain is coming from Florida. And I said those boys in Florida got the greatest game. But yeah, man, we used to joke about that around here, man.

Like, think about it. When we were rolling, it's like, hey, we had the top three dudes from Florida. Dion, M. and me. Florida, Florida State of Miami. So we were like, we used to be arguing with the dudes from Texas. Joker, y'all wouldn't be winning this if we weren't here. So, shut up.

Just shut up right now. And enjoy it. Enjoy it. We used to do that all the time around it is. All right, I'm going to ask you this. Give me your Matt Rushmore for Florida players. Man, that's, you know. Yeah.

Somebody going to get left off. I'm going to throw some names out. You got time. You got time. You got Ray Lewis. You got Sam. One. Emmett. Deons one. Lamar Jackson, D. Henry, Brian Jalkin, Ocho Cinco, Antonio. I'm Dan. He's Ty. Hello.

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and on this week's episode, I'm talking to Olympian, World Cup Champion, and podcast host, Ashlyn Harris. my worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over I got the blues and I was like, this is it. For me, it's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey, it's the people, it's the failures,

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People don't really how good Jay Boogie was, man. What? Man, Axe was my receiver coach. He was the one. that recruited Jerome Brown. He would always tell us stories. He said, man, listen, I went to recruit Jerome Brown. His dad was over there in Brookville up under the car, working on the car.

He came on out, shook my hand. And he said, then the car fell off, the rock. And he was like, he said, he was waiting on him to put a jack back under there and start jacking it up. He opened the door and said, what? Called the wife's name. Tell him, J.B. to get on down here. And J.B. came on down. What's up, man?

The truck car fell. He said, J.B. Then, move. Lift the car. They put the bricks back on. Co. City. Please sign this scholarship. Please sign this scholarship.

I don't know. I don't see. We're going to see no more. He said this college. J.B. was the bad boy. But I would have to go down. And, dude, Ray Lewis.

I would have to put Ray in there. I don't see myself physically gifted enough. He even throwing myself on a Mount Rush. Rushmore out of Florida. You know what I mean? Now, I'm physically gifted. Now, I'll put my ironware. I'll put my hardware up against anybody.

What about the you? What if we put the U players, my Rushmore? Yeah, and that too, you know, because we're always arguing about this. We always arguing about this now. We always are like, now, now, Ming, Ray, Ed Reed, Warren, Sapp, and all the people that ain't them always want to throw in Sean, tail, and all. I see, y'all stop. Y'all would stop Because all of them boys are bad

And they deserve their rights But I'm the only one on office You can stop that mess right now Hey, if it was a quarterback You had a shot of getting ahead of me But it ain't no quarterback in here So it is I You can stop that right now

It is I Yeah, we have that debate all the time What made you where 47? Man, they give for it They give those numbers at Miami Remember Eddie Brown were number 40.

Stanley Shakespeare were six. My boy Brett were 33. I didn't want 47. I went to Jimmy on this, man. I had a long talk, Jimmy. I said, Coach, man, listen, can I just change to seven? That's a wide receiver number seven. I'm going to give you some touchdown, seven points.

When he's seven, he said, Michael, I was just a freshman. He said, Michael. You know what I see when I see you? with that 47 on in practice and you'd be catching them ball, you're a little like a big 7.47, catching that thing about to land in the end zone with a perfect landing. I said, yeah? Is that what you're saying?

I swear. I was like, yeah? For all of that 47, little Chris to get up. Hey, I'm trying to get a job. If the head coached me like the 747, I said, yeah. I was like, okay. Hey, man, a few years later, we get here and we were having to drink after we did something. I was with Coach, he said, Michael, I can't believe you brought that story.

So what story? Coach, that 47 story. I'd say, you dirty dog, you. And plus, y'all was in the down stand. You moved back, y'all was in the down stance. Y'all didn't stand up wide and split out. Y'all was in the down stance. I was just back at Miami the other day, and we were talking about that. Mike Rumpinam coming up to me

because we always argue about who's the best the 101 team or the 87 championship team and the 91 championship team and he was like boy you couldn't have got me and no three points there I said dog

it's impossible to jam of a receiver coming up out that three point stand it's impossible it's impossible so yeah I don't know why receivers do it today I don't know why they stand up so like

if you had If they had, well, there's just no way. You would have to get down. You got to get down. Because the cornerbacks, look at anybody with the cornerbacks. I had to go through Dion Sanders, Darrell Green, Rod Woodson, Champ Bailey. Aeneas. Anias, William.

And now the other guy just got in Eric Allen. All of those guys went everywhere I went on the football field. And when they tucked me in at night and handed me in the toilet paper when I was done and needed to wipe. They went everywhere with you. So I always said, I went through gold jackets to get to my gold rings. And it was a different time back then. The cornerbacks was real. Why did you tell the Packers not to draft you?

Because they had the seventh pick. They ended up taking my brother. I heard, I heard, I heard, so I'm telling the story. Yeah. That they were going to drive me. He's right. They were. They called me because I was a junior.

Right. Like I was graduating early. Right. Right. When you were coming out back then, you had to graduate to go to school, go to the draft early. But it gave me control over the draft. So if somebody calls me and I didn't want to go, I can decline. I'm going back to school.

And that's what I want. I just wanted control. Right. I wanted my, I was directed towards, you know, somewhere on the West Coast, in New York. I really just wanted to be in Dallas. You know, it's always wanted to be in Dallas. So I was trying to work my way. I saw Bernie Kozah, work his way to Cleveland.

Yeah. Remember? As a sophomore. It was a supplemental draft. So I was just trying to, yeah. So when they called, I'm sitting there, we ain't got a dime. It's the seventh pick. It's 17, you got 17, brother.

Right, and they're all looking like, are we rich yet? Are we rich yet? I'm like, no. Not yet, not yet, not yet, not yet, not your home. Right, right, stop back up, back up, right. So, yeah, they were funny, man. But then I started thinking, who, who, who, who, who. Oh, you know, the weather-wise, I'm coming from Florida going to Green Bay.

And I just weather and temperature. Did you got Chicago, that's outside? All that, all that out there's just too, no. And Norr Turner, who was with the Rams at the time, had spent that draft with me. Norr, the Rams were going to draft me at 14, nor was there with me. They took Aaron Cox. Yeah, because the Cowboys took. man left.

Yeah. And Noah was so disappointed, and Nora went back. And then it was so funny after, you know, a couple years here, Dave Shuler, the office coordinator we had here, he was like, we should trade Michael. And Jimmy was, you know, they were talking about trading me because they had come up, coming off the knee surgery. And Jimmy came to me, he said, listen, the guy pulling the trigger don't think you can do it anymore. And he said,

I've had way more success with you than I've had with him. I'm going to let him go and get to an offensive coordinator. Damn. Get this thing going. And that's when they brought in. They brought it in Norr. Because Norne's Ampeze. So everything was going to be with

hearing Ellen. I thought I was going to be, and let me tell you how Norve got me, dog. We came here. It was March. Right. As soon as they signed March. I'm coming off to ACL. Right. You know, so on my head is like, okay, Can I play again? I'm going through this dude. I ain't never been through anything

like I went through the ACL. That took me through something. I don't know if I can play. He takes us out in March. He said, let's go. I want you to see you running this bang eight. I said, what's the bang eight? He said, four steps, hit that one leg.

I'm going to put it on you right there. I said, okay, let's go on it. We ran the first two routes. He said, well, I don't know what, they told me. That's plenty of speed for me. Make sure you catch that bang eight. Is it going to be safe to go? I mean, then he started putting the game playing together, man.

Nor was our blessing for all of us. He put in it in the right way, right place to win. He put Troy in the right place to win, and that just made it great. And it was so funny that he spent, he was with me on the drive. They tried to get me before. Right. So it all worked out. It definitely worked out.

I hear you talking about in the America, what is it, America's team, the gambler and the Cowboys. You're talking about how difficult that first Super Bowl was. There's all the ones that was the toughest to win. Yeah. Why was that one so tough? And it was the most gratifying too. Yes. Because it's right up against all the hard work.

It's right up against the 3 and 13 my first year, the 1 in 15, my second year. And it's the turn. It's, I'm coming from Miami and I know what it takes to win And I'm seeing what I used to lose it Right, and I'm like, dang, what's going on, man? And I got here, I thought, this is it. It's the best right here, you know what I mean?

But then you get in the league, you find out some of these jokers about money, it ain't about being the best. And I was like, dude, I couldn't take that. Like right now, I was talking about Emmett because I talked with him today And I was like, man, Jerry knew I couldn't, I couldn't hold out. I couldn't hold out.

As long as I have held out or stayed away was the wins before the first game on me, I got to go play, you know, I got to go play. You know, it's just. But they know that too, though. Yeah, they know that. They don't use that against you. Use it against me. He used it against me.

He used it against you. Don't he worry about it. Right, right, right, right. But I wasn't playing on going no way either. Because remember now, I had my plan from the jump street that I was, I knew I'm going have some back end. I was making sure, but back end going to be good. I'm going to be right here.

You know what I'm saying? And that's what you got to consider that. Michael has to consider that. You know, Michael, you get opportunity right now. You're going to get the highest pay guarantee, all those things. Everybody said, well, don't, are you going to risk a million dollars a year, two million dollars a year here? And you got another $100 million podcast.

That's only going to be $100 million. podcast if you were the Cowboys. Right. It's not a $100 million podcast if you were somebody else. True. So the whole gathering, Micah, has to see, you're a whole, you're a whole business, man. You're a whole business. Right.

Man, and make sure all of your entities up under that umbrella coverage is going to be taken care of, and that podcast has to have a star on it. That you mentioned that. Have you talked to Micah about that? Like, Micah, like, Micah, what? What can't you with 41, 42, 43 million that you can only do with 46 million? Yeah, but that's, that's logic. And that's our world.

That's our world. Their world is not the world of logic like that. It's, it's, it's social media. It's, it's, it's, the world going to know. I'm only making 41 and he making 43. And I'm not saying, Michael, like this, but this is, well, this is their generation. This is why when we're disappointed, we're going to screw up, and all of them do it. Everyone in this generation, we're disappointed with team.

We take everything off the thing. Everything with the cowboy-related or everything on the carball-related or everything. It's like a breakup of your girlfriend. You take everything, all the pictures that you got. Go back by fire and you're going back and everything. Where did that come from? You know, I don't know where they start from. Like, hey, take it out of my money off shit.

You understand? I ain't taking all my money off net. That's what I'm telling you, y'all. So, you know, I don't know where you get that from. So that's what's the difference. Like, do you and me, it ain't going to matter. Right. And a lot of people won't even see it.

It'll just be somewhere in the officer. Sometimes somebody said, bring it up. But it won't be every day you got to hear everybody's opinion that you took a million dollars less. Did you see what's going on with Roger Jackson? Roger Jackson. I saw him the other night. After he did that ring.

I'm tired of everybody messing with me. I'm tired of calling him. Who are you mad at? These are the people you're inviting. You're streaming. You, yes. You stream. What are you doing?

You're streaming. You begging these people to come in, and then you don't like what they say, and you want to go break another dude's face because that's this, that's where that is. Have you ever thought about Mike what it would have been like to play? You're playing maker. You're playing for the cowboy at its apex, and there's this thing called social media. Yeah. Have you ever thought about that for just to say that?

Yeah, yeah, I did. I would tell somebody this story, man. I did the E.A. Sports, when he first brought in the legends of E.A. sports, I did the appearance. And I was speaking at an EA sports conference, and we were talking about the social media and all that. I said, listen, I told him I was scared. I said, I would be scared to live in today's and play in today's time. I couldn't make it, I couldn't make it when it was news at 11, let alone talk about Twitter every second.

It's my butt. This man, they only had the 6th and 11 o'clock news. Right. And he stayed at that. I couldn't make. With the news they didn't live. God damn. Why, I ain't got no chance.

They ain't got no chance. Zero. So I'm like, hey, man. With all these camera phones? With the camera phone. And why, I got a stay playing, boy. I got to stay playing. Keep me playing.

I'm telling you. Keep me playing and I ain't playing. And you know what? Shannon, I know that. I know what's real. You know what I mean? I know what's real. I know what's real.

know what's good for me now. I know what's not good for me now. Like, keep me busy. It's good. Right. The report is that you talked to Travis Kelsey. You had a conversation with Travis Kelsey because he was trying to do something that you guys were trying to do, which is three-peak.

Nobody's never done to three-peat. And I believe, and we're going to talk about this after you ask this question about you believe that you guys, if you had kept genuine, you believe you would three-peated. You believe you. But what did you, what info, what did you tell Kelsey how to approach the season? going to the three p once they make it through the god lady get through the season get to get to the uh get through the playoffs and get to the soup bowl what did you what did you share with him man first thing i said man was because then he asked first thing you go through is the

disappointment of not getting it done and that's what i was talking to my guys at my name about even yesterday like dude i don't know how other people how how do they how are they going to have peace at the end of it all i mean I mean, I've won championships on just about all levels everywhere. And I still... It's the ones that you don't win that eat you. It's not the ones that you win. I should have gone up at that ball.

I should have jumped up. And Dion, it would have definitely clarified the past interference. Right. But I'm thinking... It's going to drop right down to. If I can just drop it, if I wait by it, it'll drop right by him. And it dropped by on, and I'm going to stretch the thing out. And I'm going to get that game winner.

I wanted to be the hero. All I had to do is get up and get that ball and now we're down for it. And I cannot let that go. I can't let it go. So, you know, man, yeah, man, that's just the ones they get away, it's something that you deal with and live with all the time. But does the three-peak change how people look at Michael Irvin? Well, or how we see the cap.

It changed how Michael Irvin would have looked at Michael. And let me tell you that. Think about it now. Now, when you go and get what Kansas City has done, I'm going to tell you, mine. Yes, it makes it more important. I regret it more that I didn't get it when Kansas City or when New England had their run.

Right. You see, now it'll be good. You want to be the first. I was worried about y'all. I was, whoa, we didn't have no chance. John retired. Right, right, right, right. He got hurt.

John ain't want to retire. Get your old butt out of now. Stop messing around. I had to worry about that time after that thing rolled on. They're darn, man. I don't care what they say. I want everybody to have great, do great, but I just want to leave me a little mark up there somewhere.

He'll leave me something up there. Leave something that they can remember me by it. Emmett, like Emmett, he's an all-time leading Russia. Nobody's going to get that right. No, nobody's going to run the ball like that. Nobody will get that record. Right, right, right. Nobody will get that record.

I just want something to leave up there for me. Right. Have the Chiefs taken over America's team? because you see what happened yesterday. Kelsey and Taylor, they get mad. They're the new America team. They don't tell them all from y'all, Mike. I ain't going to go that far.

I'm going to go that far. I ain't going to say, she's America's a sweetheart. I ain't going to say they're America's team, but they are, those two is America's dream couple. I'll give a debt. Those two right now, America's dream. And I'm going to tell you and say, listen, I've said this openly, Travis Kelsey, I love him more than anybody. international football. He's amazing.

That's my dude. That's my dude. He is genuine. That's my dude, man. And let me tell you why this is my dude. You know, we were at that one of those pro bowl. I was coaching the pro bowl, you know, and he was one of his early pro balls. And he was coming.

He said, you got to draft me. My God, don't leave me out there because he's worried a younger guy. He said, you keep me up, though. They're going to let you down. I said, come on, young buck. You're a young buck, now. Buy your time. By your time.

You know, you're going to draft him. Don't be leaving me out here. And I did draft him. I did draft him. but he was so good and my son played tight in my son plays tight in but he was man

he was so good with my son and he didn't have to be you know and he really took care of him I was like now that's a different dude I just appreciate him

and ever since then we've been so close but I was telling him man listen don't let this get by you because you'll agree no matter what you're going to think

about it all your life and they're going to think about it because they got thom they got thumped because they weren't you close They were not even close And they're going to think about it But yeah, yeah, man, he was

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or wherever you get your podcasts. That's the kind of guy you know. No matter what he do, he's going to win. And certainly now, you got to tell you, he won. The fight's over. The fight is over. Call of the career. When you got that signing bonus,

what was the first thing you did? That cowboy, would they? That first one. Yeah. Oh, my God. I didn't came from Brokeville, Florida. Brokeville, Florida, not Brooksville. I'm from Fort Lauderdale, but Brokeville where everybody was broke.

You know, dude, I was young, too, man. I was crazy, man. I didn't know anything. At first, I bought me a house, too. I was so crazy. A lot of houses, but I remember my first house I bought. Right? They were showing me all these houses, big out of this house.

I said, what's that one over there? They said, well, okay, let's go look at it. And I bought that house because it had fully, it had the pool and everything, but it had an eight-feet gate. Yeah, all I knew is I don't want anybody to see me in the pool with what I'm doing. That was the parameter that I need to buy my first house. You already know you're going to be coming. Right, right, right.

So I know I'm coming in. And then let me tell you what I did. with that first check. Let me get the card. Give me on the car. That's my check right there, y'all. That check, that was a million dollar check. I left that right there on the table, right in my room.

So soon as they walked in, they said, that's your check? That's your check? You're all right. I'm very much. They just, I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had my financial people calling me to my man, sitting that check. Michael, we're losing.

I said, shoot, I'm winning. I'm winning. What you're talking about? I'm winning like a mom, boy. I said, boy, y'all tripping, boy. Hey, I was, but it's real. It was real. It was real.

Coming in, as you mentioned, coming from a large, large family like yours, even though you got a million dollars, man, when you try to break our brothers and sisters, Mike, ain't a whole lot left. You know you got to take care of mom and dad. Right. I think your father passed before you got drafted. Right. You got to take care of mom. You got to take care of brothers and sisters.

Mike, that ain't a whole lot left over. Yeah. But back then, that was a lot of money. A lot of money. Wait a minute. Because you get somebody $2,500. You get somebody $2,500,000? What?

Man, I'm coming up. We're coming off. This ain't coming from where they come. These dudes now, these kids, now, they got NIL do. I was getting $20 a weekend, and mom took the first $15. You joking? Love me with five, dude. Coming from $5 a weekend to getting them, I left that check right down. I was going to get every bit of that check. So, so, yeah. Now, here's, here's the kicker to all of us that we have to get to. And people have to understand, making money

is one thing. How you let it go is as important, you know. So, so especially us, too, especially else, because we know there's so many people holding on to the caboose that you've got to bring along on this train. It's never just us. Right. It's never just my, it wasn't just my, it's never just yet, you know, I got grandma, I got my brother made it, but, you know, I got mom, I got, I got other people that's counting on me.

And it took me through that first contract to figure out and get the understanding of financial literacy enough to know how to best handle that. So, so to get everything and put everything into a trust. So my whole family into the trust. So now when I'm handing you money, I'm handing you money and I'm going to send you tax papers. So we're handing you money now at your tax bracket instead of me handing you money at my tax bracket.

So if I give you a million dollars, I got to make a meal seven at my bracket to give you a meal. Right. You know what I'm saying? So now we got to learn to do that. So everybody in your trust, I'm, we're in the, we're in the Irvine family, dynasty, skipping, trust. We ain't never paying the government, nothing.

When we lead time, we ain't given yet nothing. And when I send money to my mom who's, who, you know, when she was got, God rest of the soul, and she was like, I'm not paying at my tax bracket. These are the things that we have to learn to make sure we stay up. Why were you so forthcoming in the documentary? A lot of the stuff, you know, you and I had talked about. And I was like, when I found out the documentary was coming out, I was thinking to myself, how forthcoming is Michael going to be? Is he going to be as forthcoming as I, as he's, when he's doing me and him talking?

Or is he going to put that on front of each ready to cover? And I'm going to be straight because you know you're my boy to the heart, man. You're my boy to heart. And even when you call me first and talk about all the things you, to Michael, I want you to do, I want you to do this with me. I want to do. I was like, oh, shh. Damn, Shannon.

I don't know. I'm scared Because listen You guys You're talking I love watching your show United Cap stuff You guys be talking about some stuff

And I This is what I was afraid of Right And I said Okay like listen Here the problem now I got some real dead bodies out here

And I don't need nobody Coming up by the grave He's talking about me Undertaker Yeah I don't need All these grave sites Raise it back up

When I said Yeah well I was over here with this. Well, I don't need them girls coming up to my. Yeah, I saw that check when he was your nose. Sit your old butt down. It's too late now. But that's the kind of thing.

So I was worried about that. But the reality is, man, if you don't share, people will receive it and put their thing on it. Right. You know what I mean? And not get it in the way that you got it. Like we were talking about, a lot of the things we did, White House, all that stuff. You can think about the other side of it, the women and all of that stuff. But it was also team building and Dean Bundy, you know, and that's what we did, you know.

So talking about it and getting the stories out the correct way, correct way, it's palatable now. It's palatable now. It wasn't palatable back then. They won't take it now. But these kids, they got Love Island. Everybody doing everything with everybody. Hey, that ain't nothing I did. So we're good.

At the time, I mean, like, you're like, man, you know what? I think this would be a good idea. You know, let's get a spot right across from practice. It's like anything else. It grew to that. Yeah. It grew to that. You know, we had.

Because you were thinking about the money to spread to the hotel. Right. The White House was the end game. This thing grew. It started out, you know, hotels. Then we had an apartment. And then we went to the house. You know what I mean?

So at these spot, there were issues. Like, you know, what happened at the hotel, you know, the hotel. A Do you're an ordinance, and the people came. Right. And they set me up at the hotel. You know, I'm so dumb. I got the girls getting the room. They got the room under their name.

I'm thinking I'm being slick. But I won't put down my benzos. And they got playmaker ridden all alone. I'm still driving parking them all. What good is doing that if I'm pulling up in here. to be with playmaker flash. Playmaker flame like a playmaker. So it's just because you're stupid.

You don't know. So it went from the hotel. Man, what's money we spend it on the hotel? Let's just get an apartment. And then we got an apartment and I had apartment and then, you know, you bring a few girls over the apartment and then things ain't going right with all the girls and they got over there making all these noise and screaming.

Ah, what's going on? They're kicking in the window. I said, be an apartment building. So then we finally got a house that tried to move that thing. With Jerry, finally, finally. Leon Lett called me.

Dude, I'll never forget it. And New Jack City hadn't been out too long. I had just seen New Jack City. And Kat called me. He said, Michael. I never forgot. I was headed to the campus. He said, Michael, we've been infiltrated.

He said, man, I'm telling you right now. Shut down the White House. Huh? Negro. This ain't no movie. They ain't shut down the carter. They sit down to Carter. Cancer, I'm telling you, Mike.

I'm telling you. And about two weeks later, I'm in meetings. And Jerry called me, and it's Winston. This is installed. You know, I want to be in here. Like, wait a minute, dude. We're going on over the plays. And they'd peek in the door, Jeter.

I said, no, I'll talk him in a minute. In a minute, we're in a minute. I got to make sure he's putting it in the right blade. Yeah, yeah, right now. He said, no, I want to see you right now. I said, we can't wait? He said, right now. You know, I go.

And he asked me about, he said, Michael, there's a story of breaking. About some house y'all got over here somewhere, a White House. I said, oh, shit. I thought about it yet. I said, I should have shut down. You should have shut it down. You should have shut it down. Hey, man, and he asked me about it.

Do you know who dimmed it out? Yes, I do. I know, well, a few people dime did out. But yeah, yeah, we know. We know the guy that out. When he asked me, though, I ain't had no answer. Jerry would tell the story. He said, I came in.

I'm sitting there. And he said, just be honest with me. You know, I'm going to be with you. I'll fight for you as long as you're honest. And I thought about it. And I just told him, I said, boss, we were trying to do the wrong thing the right way. I said, we were trying to do the wrong thing the right way. I thought through it.

I thought through it, but it's just, you know what I mean. And it was a good plan because at first, you know, here again, we start. We're going to park at the complex and bring over one car. So every to all the cars. You know, and there's a whole bunch of cars. You know, now already in the hotel. We got all our cars identified up to a park at the complex and come over here in one car. And then, you know, as you get more and more loose with that and you're out drinking and you're coming to the club pretty soon, we had a whole parking lot out there.

And that really gave us a way. Them old people that were living next to us said we'll make it too much noise. That's what they were saying. So, yeah, but, yeah, it was crazy times with that. Do you remember the first time you were introduced to drugs? You know, it's so funny, when I went through the thing here at the hotel, Jerry set up a meeting with the district attorney. His name was Mike Gillette.

It's a private meeting. We met to talk about the case. Right. I said to him, I said, Jared said, man, listen, this is, let's just get this case out the way. So we can get back on the field. I need you to set up.

I need you to go talk with him and just be honest with him. Be straight with him. Let's see if we can get this thing. Because right now it just seems like he's after you. He's after you. I said, okay. Now, you guys got to understand. Now, that night in the hotel,

when all of this went down, When the police came, they arrested the girl. I went home. I went home. Now, then they hired this new guy, Mike Gillette. They hired his new district attorney three, four months later. And he went back. Now we're into getting ready to work for the season.

He went back and looked at the case and opened it up. Right, okay. And opened up the case. He reopened it. He reopened all of it. He said, well, because I didn't have him standing. You got to have standings. That means the room was not in my name.

Right. The room was their name. They found the things with her. So they said, okay, we can just take her and let you go if she says it's hers. And she says they're mine. She's a good girl. She's a good girl. And that hurts me too, Ruby.

Listen, she really was a good girl. And what happened with her was just not right, you know, because I really liked her. She was a good girl. She wasn't a dancer. I had met her at a club. But, you know, they put it out as a prostitute. It was just wrong. So I really, because she was, I had, before we went to the Super Bowl, I had.

Was this the first Super Bowl or the second Super Bowl? No, before we went to the second Super Bowl. Okay. No, this happened when we got back from the third Super Bowl. Okay. This happened when we got back to the third Super Bowl. Before we went to this, before we went to Super Bowl, the third Super Bowl, you know, you get all the tickets. You know, tickets, so...

Yeah, they used to get a boatload ticket. They'd get about 30 tickets back then, Mike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'd get about 30 tickets back then. They cut it down. Yeah, yeah, they cut it way down. They know, you get them 30 tickets, and the people out there are waiting,

they'll give you $3,000, $5,000 a ticket. Boy, I mean, I had about a hundred on me. And I was, we were hanging around. I said, hey, listen, I pull it, like a, or not. I say, hey, go get an apartment. Because when I come back, I do not want to come back to these hotels. Right.

go get an apartment. And she was like, I don't want to take your money like that. I was like, no, no, you're not taking my money. Go get an apartment. Right. We don't want to be in here. Right.

And, you know, I come back, and then when I get back after, then I go, I want to see her, I go see her, and I ask her, she came back. She gives me back the money. I said, what did you do? What are you doing? I don't want to be like that, you know. So she was a real good girl.

And then all of this goes down. You know, so it made me feel extra bad. Yeah, it made me feel extra bad for her, man, because she didn't deserve it. But when I was dealing with Mike Gillette and Jerry asked me to go meet with him and she took, you know, she took it. She took it. She took it.

She took it so I can go home. And I always respect her for that. And she just wanted a good people. But he had me a private meeting. And you and him. Me and Gillette. Me and the district. You and him.

Me and him. Private meeting. And this joker sits down with me, man and he says he says uh i said um mr let i'm gonna tell you what happened i'll tell you the truth i said now i got off an airplane because i had an autograph session show and i came to the hotel and you have a girl claiming that those are hers i said now i'm not telling you i've never brought drugs to the hotel i'm just telling you this time that night i didn't bring the drugs to the hotel you know trying to be honest and trying to be stressed i'm trying to be

honest, I'm being straight with you. His exact words was to me, and he jumped in early, he says, let me tell you what I think. He said, first of all, the truth is what I make it. And you'll find that when I get it when we get in the courtroom. And then he told me, I promised you, he said to me, he said, you know, I personally think you're a piece of shit. And you're using your fame to take advantage of these poor white women. The white girls, and I'm going to put you away. He said his exact words, I'm going to fill you like a fish and leave you in that alley.

I was like, oh, oh, no, now all the Fort Laudel are coming up out of me. Now, you're raising up. He was raising up. He was raising up. He was raising up when he was talking. I was trying to. You try to bite you live. You're like, okay, I got a reminder.

But I do understand. It was my first case. It's my first offense. So then they got south after that. It got south. I said, let me tell you somebody. You little short, you're a little short dude, right? That's my first offense.

I said, you could do what you want to do, but you can't get me any time. You get my probation. Somebody going to pay me millions to catch the football because I know how to do that. And you're going to be down here, bro. He said, well, I'm going to show you tomorrow when I have them cameras and everything here.

I said, okay, I'm going to show you, too. That's why I wore the meat coat. Hull up, you all me? That's why I wore the meat. In Dallas, Texas. It was 90 degrees. You got on a four, you got a full lean. With facet glasses, and that's all they talked about, you see.

That's all they talked about. He thought he was going to get words to him. He wanted, and he was trying to say I introduced him. When he said, you are taking advantage of him. I wanted to say, what do you mean? They gave me drugs. I didn't even know. They did it to me.

I was here. I was the one innocent. Right. I was the one innocent. They started this. What are you saying? You know, so, yeah, man. That was, and I remember the two girls.

The two girls that, yeah, here. I don't call that name. Yeah, and I remember the girl. So, the word, did. Did you do drugs in high school? Did you do drugs in college? No, no. And I never did any drugs during the season.

I could, that's what I was telling. Early when we were talking about it, I could do, I don't know, I had it. I was, I could, because we played until February. Right. I'm in the Super Bowl, Super Bowl is in February. I got, I was, I would say, Jimmy said, let's get away. I had about a month in there. Yeah.

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Listen to the bright side on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And then I'm training. And then I'm training. And then I'm training. I'm going and I don't you know and it goes and I'm and I'm thinking I used to look at people like man I can't understand why y'all have problems stopping why can't you just stop right you know because I could just stop and go play ball and not worry about it but but after I start after I retired I realized okay I ain't as strong as I thought it wasn't that I was strong I was just switching add addictions right you know what I mean you had football you had something to replace my mind

ride. And if I had a real good month, I'm going to work out real hard because that's the yin and the yang. That's just how I train my own head. So, yeah, I'm like, I'm going to have for him. After that birthday, because we always start training. Yeah. About a month after the season, yeah. Yep. Second week in March. Second weekend of March. So it worked out for me. That's what I thought worked out for me anyway, you know. It's so funny, though, that night I went to hotel, I promise you do. After already trying to get Angela to get a hotel room and everything, I remember driving to that hotel that day. And I swear to you, as God is my witness on my mother and father's grave. As simply as I'm talking to you, God said, don't go to that hotel. I think on this

every day, I swear to you, as simply as I'm talking. He said, do not go. And I went. And I went, and he must have set me up before. That's why I said, that's a cool in an apartment. You know what I mean? We didn't, and he just didn't, you know. But yeah, as I said, you're, I guess, yeah. I wish I never would have happened. Man, I mean, not that what I was doing, you know,

I ain't going to say I wish I never did that because, you know, that was what it is. Yeah. Young. Yeah. We were just out there. But I just wish, because it changed things. You know, it changes things.

It just changed things. Your Cowboys teams were never the same, Mike. No, I was never the same. I was never the same. It just, and it just felt like, man, it was just, it wasn't saying. He couldn't lead the same. It felt like, you know what I mean. Because people looked at you different.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you felt that you're different. They're different. Maybe they didn't. And they changed everything. And it changes everything. Because you feel that. You feel like, dang, you know, and, and you feel.

So I was never the same. I was never the same. Because Mike, I'm thinking, Mike, you were the same. battery. You was the energized. You were the receiver, one of the very few receivers that led a team. When you got a gold jacket quarterback, you got a gold jacket running back, you've got the players on the defense, you got Haley, gold jacket, you got Hayley, gold jacket, you've got those guys. But you're that battery. That was rare. How were you, they might have not knew to the extent, but they knew you like to get down.

Right. Right. How were you able to do what you did over here, but get on the field, be first in the sprints, and lead? Because it will, you, we're, we're having fun. It's not like I'm over here in the corner with some, like, going, you know what I mean? This was, all of this stuff gets to reduce in the process of the womanized and chasing and all of that stuff. But I didn't see it as, oh, you got an issue. And so we're all having a good time for this month. And then we get back to training.

And then guys, we were all having a good time. We had a month off and we got back to training. I never saw it as a problem. Right. You know, now once that thing went down in hotel, everybody, it's almost like, you know, you got, you got to a problem. I'm like, okay, you can see I had that kind of a drug problem. I didn't know I had a drug problem to after I retire.

After I retired, and then I was like, okay, you know what? I had a good time. That's it. Let me get back in shape. I said, that's it. This will be last weekend, and I'm going to start focusing. Get back work, so I put them out of career together. And then, you know, you go out another day and you're back out there.

So wait a minute, this is the last week. So after about three or four last weekend, you were like, it was about three or four months in it. Right, right. And you were like, whoa, this is what they've been going through. Oh, you know. I never knew that, right? I never knew that side.

Because once I had football, I ain't got time for that right now. I got to get ready. I got to go chase Jared Rice. But, but yeah, so it got different for me then. Then I realized, okay. And that's when I started. I had to start searching more answers about me. Yes.

Trying to find out things. about me since I didn't have football to keep me off of the streets. You said that that situation taught you a lot about you is that the one time, but what about the other hundred times that I was out doing being playmaker? Right, right, right, right. What are you talking about, what are you talking about, like, getting caught at that one time? You get caught. And the problem is, here's what you try to do, what you do.

You try to justify, all right, all right, right, you know, many times I didn't get caught. Right. You know, even though I didn't, I don't think I did it's wrong, I'll mark it up, chuck it up, or whatever, you know, that kind of thing. But, you know, I look back and I'm like, I was young. I was young, you know, I was young, we were having fun. We're on top of the world. You were like the gladiators or the warriors. You go win and you get the prize.

Yes. And you keep having fun. And people always say, like, you know, you have. have fun doing anything. It's like anything, drinking, smoke, and you're just having fun having fun. When does it become a problem? When it becomes too fun, and you don't know how to start having that fun, or are when you don't have something else to turn your attention to. You also mentioned the situation. You had just gone through that, and the judge gave you probation and said, look, Mr. Irvin, basically you say, I paraphrasing, you're getting a reprieve.

But don't come back before me. Don't come back. And then right before. that there you go, you get into a scuffle with a teammate about a haircut. Yeah. Did you go home? Like, Lord, I'm going to jail. Yeah. Lord, you got me out of this situation.

And I promise you, Lord, I say, Lord, if you get me out of this, I promise you I won't do this again. Well, you're in that room when I was saying that, boy. You're a boy. You're joking. What? Lord, if you get me out of this, I promise

I won't ever put myself in this situation again. Hey, you saw that first day, that first day I went to court. What? Walked in the bad like I don't know what. Full link, me, Fasci, boy, after them folks hadn't done put me through the wringer.

Man, a couple weeks later, I'm coming up in that court. Blue suit. All right. Please just let me out of this. God, all right. I was done, boy. I was done.

When many ever... I was like, I ain't never coming back here again. And then that situation at training camp happens with Everett McGiver, man. And everybody. And this is why you asked me earlier why you tell the story. So everybody comes in. I heard this one guy going around there's all right.

It's not like I came up, grabbed stills, and slice somebody's throat. You know, we had been out drinking. We had been out early because we got off early. We had, we got haircuts and get meetings later. We had been out drinking. And every, my guy was the new guy in, you know. And I always rig and get on my linemen because I wouldn't be tough. Biggie came in.

And I would be giving Bigfellow. What's your plans, Bigfella? What are you trying to do? I got to take care of my mama. So then I start, listen, Big Phel. Because, you know, you ain't a win without the line. I said, listen, Bigfellow, when you hear Troy say Blue 18, blue 18, shit, you look up and you look at that joke across from you,

you said, you're trying to stop me from feed my mama. And then you say, HUD, and you tear him. You know, I'm setting them up, him, Larry, all of this. And Everett was the new guy. And I'm working, and we messing with Ever, we're messing with Ever. And Biggie and the guys, they started messing with, you can't let that little receiver mess. Dude, dude, I'm like, come on, Ever, stop playing, man. Come on, come on, this is, this is how we do it.

This is how we do it. This is the order of this team. It's with everything. Taping angles. You got to what we do. You have to follow this. Now, come on, we have to follow this. And everybody, oh, man, over here, come to me.

This, we were trying to get, okay. And then Eric, you know, because we had drinks, he'd get up, dude, to be truthful. And the other people let people know, I was getting my ass kicked. This big old joker was whooped my butt. I mean, that big boy push, man. I said, hey man, stop, man.

I said, stop, dog, stop. And he did. And I shouldn't have, it's still not an excuse. I should never have grabbed the scissors. But I was in fight or flight mode. You know what I mean? And dude, I went back to my room right after that, and there's blood everywhere, blood all over me. And Big Cat came in and he said, man, they don't know, you know, they don't know.

They said, I barely missed an artery, you know. And, dude, it was, that was as difficult thing as ever. Because, you know, you're in this kind of frenzy fight thing going on. And then all of a sudden, once you come down after that, you realize what you've done. Oh, my God. I sat in that room thinking, boy, I'm going to jail. I'm going to jail. He killed this man.

And somehow, if he survives, I'm still going to jail. Because the judge just told me, boy, if I see you again, I promise I'm going to give you 25 years. You know, and, yeah, Everett, I mean, Everett talked after that, man. And I shared then, and I'll never forget that. And I thank him again today, and I apologize to him again today on it, you know, because I've been thinking about it lately. Because you watch a documentary, you start thinking, my God. You relive all those moments all over again.

Yeah, all those moments, man. And I just, man, he said to me, when he said that to me, he said, Michael, you know, he said, I know the severity of what would happen if the truth got out. And he said, man, I don't want to take you. away from your kids like you always took almost took me away from mine dude that was that was did you break down yeah yeah no doubt yeah because i didn't expect him to do that in my own mind because at that moment yeah he showed you more grace and mercy than you showed him you showed me grace yeah and i wouldn't be here without i would not have been here i would not have been here i would

wouldn't be here without it, you know. So, yeah, I tell you, man. Again, I apologize to him a million times, you know. Did you have a situation at Miami? Did you get in the fight with somebody at Miami? Yeah, I got in fights at Miami. Yeah, because Jimmy was telling us. My first day, I got to play with Miami.

How you just get to school, Mike? Right, I know, man. I don't know, man. But I told these guys, because I know, I said, I don't mind doing so funny. I don't mind doing freshman stuff, guys. But, listen, man, we got nothing. man, I'm here to try to get my family somewhere. And I was saying this.

I know, you know, it's so funny. I was just saying, come on, man. I just got to get my family. So we were playing these games with me. This was on the train and table the first day. The first day, you know, the guys are sitting there. Freshman's got to eat last. Yeah.

The protocol. That's true. Protocol. I've tried to wait. I tried to wait. So they kept making us wait. And then I kept saying, let me go. Let me go.

He said, freshman, shut up and get back. I said, okay. And then the joker went and picked the food that I wanted. This was my first time seeing the training table. I'm coming from the ghetto from Fort Lauderdale. We never seen no food like that, no abundance of food like that. And see, they don't, you didn't think about it. It's like, y'all see this all the time.

Remember Howard, bed just gave Howard Snellerberger the okay to go in the ghettos and get us. Yes. So we were freshly coming out of the ghettos, for real. And I was like, oh, my God, look at this. and yeah, after they messed with us and mess with the freshmen, shit, I don't eat last. Then that joker, I snuck by him

and picked out a state and they pushed me and put me back and then they, and then after he finally went, he took my steak. Man, I cracked that joke over the head, man. With the tray and started whooping his butt.

Hey, Jimmy called me in the office. I said, this joker finished me home. I just got here. Yeah. I just got here. Right? And then a couple of weeks saying, We're, we're freshmen's working.

A freshmen's workout, right? And we get the music box. Then the linebacker come in. Freshman, shut up. Y'all don't plan to change the music. I said, what? We get to work out for 10 more minutes. Right.

And then you guys come in. Turn this music. I said, but that's not putting us to sleep. It's our music. Freshman and you? I said, dude, this is our time, dude. I got 10 more minutes. 10 more minutes.

And you push me, boom. Push me down. I said, oh, okay. Oh, I said, these jokes, it's going to keep. messing with me. So, so then we go upstairs in the big meeting room. Yeah. And Jimmy calls a meeting and he says, I can't believe. Michael, get down here right now and called the player and I said, I didn't told you, we can't be fighting each other. Stop it right now. We're going to shake hands right here in front of everybody right now. I'm fresh out of the ghetto. I ain't, I'm a little rough

around here. Right? I'm fresh up out of that guy. So in front of the team, he said, I want you all to shake hands right now. This is true story, I said, I'm on fire. I'm on fire from what that Joker did, man. I reached out my left hand. And he reached out of his left. My grab, and he was, you know, and, man, and then I hit him again. And, man, man, coach was like, listen, boy, listen.

Listen, listen, let's tell you so right now. Have mercy. I know, I know you had it hard. We're here now. We're trying to help you get out. Right. You can't be fighting us. It was it, man.

And then he said, look at him, he said, you sure you want to play football? You ever thought about boxing? I'm not joking. I ain't joking. He asked me that as me. I said, no, coach. I want to play football.

I'm playing football. But to all of that, those situations, you ever and my guy ever situation. After I retired, I had to figure out why, why? Why? Did you fight with you, because you're like the, of 17, you're like 15 or 16, right? I've been fighting all my life. So you've, you had to fight up.

You're like, you know what? I ain't taking nothing else like nobody else. I haven't took it off of them for 18, 19 years. It stops here to date. And then I had to go study it and learn it. And if you go through it now, it's true. They'll tell you in a mother's third trimester, if she is stress, pressured, her brain releases, her body releases cortisol that goes to the brain of the baby, to tell the baby to prepare for fight or flight. And in this child, you will have a smaller cortex, bigger mammalilian, that's the body base.

So your fight or flight state, you're more apt to fight than reason. I'm more apt to fight than reason. It serves me well on the football field. So you come up, but off the football field. You're such a small time on the football field. Right, right, right. And that's what I said. I had to learn.

Dude, joke, stop. They tell you, understanding it and studying it is 75% to beating it. So now, even when I'm riding and somebody comes by and cut me off, hey, I said, that's just your reptilian. brain, calm it down. I see no problem, excuse me, no problem, no problem. But you got to calm it down. You got to know, calm it down right now.

So, you know, I had to study that, figure it out, learn it, and so I can try to get through this thing without, get through this thing called life without football. Had you known what you know now back then, are you still the same Michael Urban? Oh, man. Because that served you well, like you said, in playing football. Now you go get the help, the treatment that you need to be able to reason. Right, right, right, right. And do I get there?

You know, that's a great question. That's a great question. You know, because the fight in me was the fight here, the fight here. But every all these other fights away from here, they were problematic. it were problematic. So coming up, the way I came up, I was like, yeah, I need that come up. I need that come up.

I just need to learn what I know now sooner. You see what I'm saying? So I could have said I could have stopped a lot of the stuff. Understanding, that's just your reptilian brain. Just calm it down. You're not on the field right now. Be reasonable. This concludes the first half of my conversation.

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