Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Michael Irvin Part 2

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup!  Michael Irvin joins Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for a powerful and unfiltered conversation about his life, career, and the stories behind the Dallas Cowboys dynasty. Irvin opens up about celebrating Sterling Sharpe’s NFL Hall of Fame induction and what it meant to see the Sharpe brothers standing together at the podium. He reflects on his first love of basketball, his lifelong friendship with Mitch Richmond, and a near arrest that the Miami police let slide because Richmond was set to be drafted into the NBA the next week. He recalls competing in a Foot Locker Slam Dunk Contest with Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, and Deion Sanders, and says adding NFL players would revive the NBA Dunk Contest. He shares how NFL teams used to play basketball against each other in the offseason, go bowling, fish, and gamble together, and why he believes Florida produces the best athletes over Texas, Georgia, and California because “the greatest pain creates the greatest gain.” Irvin reveals his Mount Rushmore of Florida football players: Deion Sanders, Ray Lewis, and Jerome Brown. He also names himself the only offensive player on the Miami Hurricanes’ Mount Rushmore alongside Ray Lewis, Warren Sapp, and Ed Reed. He wore #47 at Miami because Jimmy Johnson joked he was like a Boeing 747 landing in the end zone. Irvin explains how he kept the Green Bay Packers from drafting him because of the cold, and that the Rams wanted to draft him but the Cowboys selected first. He talks about nearly being traded until Jimmy Johnson fired the offensive coordinator instead and says the Cowboys’ first Super Bowl win was the hardest but most rewarding. Irvin speaks on Micah Parsons, his $100M podcast, and Parsons’ pursuit of being the highest-paid defender in the NFL. He shares his thoughts on modern athletes and social media. He details his talks with Travis Kelce about chasing a three-peat, admits he still can’t get over missing a catch that cost Dallas a three-peat, and crowns Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce “America’s Dream,” while saying the Chiefs haven’t replaced the Cowboys as “America’s Team.” Irvin calls Kelce his favorite player and even discusses Kelce’s engagement to Taylor Swift. He talks about buying a home with an eight-foot gate with his first NFL extension, how he learned financial literacy, and caring for his large family with his first $1M check. Irvin dives deep into the infamous Cowboys “White House” era, sneaking women into hotels, Jerry Jones questioning him about it, and explaining to Jones he was “trying to do the wrong thing the right way.” He recalls being found in a hotel room with drugs, the district attorney threatening him, and wearing a mink coat to court to distract the press. Irvin admits that his arrest changed him, the Cowboys, and his leadership forever. He recounts slicing Everett McIver’s neck with scissors at training camp and apologizing after nearly killing him, fights at Miami over music and meals, and says he’s been fighting his whole life. Irvin talks about being suspended for five games in 1996, how it permanently altered his career, and separating his identity from football. He recalls his mother calling him “the chosen one” among her 17 children and shares the story of his last game in Philadelphia in 1999, Deion Sanders praying over him, and his wife opposing his return to the field. He reflects on being part of Tom Landry’s last draft class, crying over losses as a rookie, and how “football isn’t about skill, it’s about will.” Irvin shares stories about Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, and Charles Haley, and recounts the Cowboys’ dominance over the Buffalo Bills and 49ers. He analyzes why Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones couldn’t coexist like Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft, calls Al Davis “Michael Corleone,” and recalls Davis telling Jerry Jones not to trade him to the Raiders. Irvin discusses recruiting Deion Sanders from the 49ers, Shedeur Sanders’ future with the Browns, and Dillon Gabriel. He says Dallas could’ve won in 1998 if they traded for Randy Moss and that he should have three national titles with Miami. He shares thoughts on Travis Hunter, today’s receivers, and Denzel Washington’s quote on Jerry Jones: “All money ain’t good money.” Irvin believes Micah Parsons should’ve been Dallas’ Patrick Mahomes and sets expectations for CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens, and Dak Prescott this season. He opens up about his wife’s early onset dementia, her loyalty despite his mistakes, and the care she receives from their family. He weighs in on Rampage Jackson’s son’s viral altercation, Cam Newton’s comments on Jalen Hurts, and recalls his father raising 17 children and teaching him lessons about hard labor. Finally, Irvin reflects on why football is the ultimate team sport, how one player can’t win a Super Bowl alone, and why the Cowboys still have a shot at another championship this season.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the dollars and Mike you got everything you got everything and I tell people at the time like no matter how much you have you don't think about what you got you just think about somebody trying to take advantage of you somebody trying to what we say try you trying to pump me right oh you think because oh you bigger than me you go nah it don't work like that because you're not living in your now you're still dealing with your yesterday yes you see You're like, and you asked me about finances. That's what we do in finances. We buy out of our pain.

We don't think about our purpose. Our purpose is what we're going to do ahead of us. Our pain is what's behind us. So now you get that $5 million signing bonus and what you do. You go spend $2 million on a house. You go spend another million on your mom's house. You go spend some money on cars. Now the $5 million is down to $1 million.

And you ain't paid no taxes. And you say to yourself, that's all right, though. I paid mine. I bought it. I paid it all. Ain't no, because you're dealing with the pain of watching your mom lose her house and watching your cousin them lose their house. Soonen down, you made a stupid financial decision by buying it outright when you should have borrowed.

And, you know what I mean? And left that principle there and use the interest on that to help pay down. You see what I mean? Yes, absolutely. But we do it out of our yesterday, not in thinking about our... tomorrow so yeah you got to be careful dealing in your pain and that's what i was doing a lot of times even when i was making it i was still dealing in my pain the trauma from yesterday or show up today yeah and that's all of us you get through that the 96th season you get suspended i think

you got suspended the first five games the 96th right first five games yeah yeah i remember getting that letter from paul taglabel saying You know, you have enjoyed the fame and notoriety of playing for one of the biggest and well-known franchise in this league, the Dallas Cowboys. And for that, we think we should, for that, we should give you an extra game. So I got five instead of the four. Right. I was like, wow. Damn.

Yeah, well, right, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Right, right. I thought the league was supposed to be about being fair, being fair. You don't get everybody the same thing, but he was like, no, we're going to give you one extra. So, yeah, they gave me a five-game vacation that I didn't want, but they gave it to me anyway. They gave it to me. During that time, I know just how important, because we're wired a lot of light, how important the game of football is.

And when I can't do it, not from my own religion. something is missing yeah not only is it missing I'm letting my teammates down because I want my teammates respect and trust I want my coaches trust I want their respect I want the fans appreciation I got none of that now right who am I what what actually am I at this very moment when I'm not the playmaker right and and you know what Shannon that that's why I said I was never gonna say when when I got back, it's never the same. Because I demanded accountability.

And where was I for five games? I cried on the sideline when time. Because I realized I couldn't get them back. You know, we had just won the Super Bowl and all of that went down at the hotel, man. And after, like I just, you know, I wanted to give back that Super Bowl. Let's get back to a Super Bowl so we can sell. and have a whole full celebration in the all season. And just we can never get back.

I was never the same. I was never the same. But, Mike, your accountability was on the field. You caught the passes. You ran the routes. You was in shape. Yeah. But you felt that what you had done off the field somehow had crept,

and now I can't be the general to stand up in front of you and says, this is what I need because you felt they were going to question you. That's not what you did. Yeah. The authenticity, the authenticity. I studied a lot of things, you know, I'm trying to figure out, trying to figure out me. Excuse me.

Trying to figure out me, you know, because God has blessed me in a great way to have, to accomplish great things and do some things and finance. And now that I don't have football, I want to make sure I don't mess that up going forward. You know, I've always said, I mean, no bones about it. If I wouldn't have had football, I wouldn't have made it, you know. So they did that one time, what would you do if you didn't have football? And I jokingly said it, but I don't know if I was all the way joking. I said I would probably imprison or dead, you know.

Because I'm going to find and try some way to be successful, and I needed an avenue to try to go do it. And football gave me an avenue. I don't, you know, I was going to do it. And if I didn't have that avenue, and I could have gotten in a lot of things to try to get it done. Could you separate? Could you ever understand football was what you did, but not who you were?

Could you ever separate that? Or was football tied to Michael Irving and Michael Irving tied to football? I could separate once I got, once I got enough to live, you know, to be really, real. Football was the only way out. There was nobody around you that you saw got out. The only thing you saw on TV was the football. That's how you get out. That's the way you get out, you know.

So that was, that was it. There was no other way for me. That, that's just no other way. Now, I graduate. I got a degree in business. But, you know, I got all of them. But, and it's not, and it's not, I got all of my, my mom told me from the day I was born, dude,

from the day I was born, I'm the 15th or 17 kids. She said, baby, I was crying when I got pregnant with you. She said, I was like, I can't have another baby. I was in church crying. And God put his arms around me and said, fret not, bro. This is the one that will make your latter days greater than your former days. My mom told me this every day. Every day, I swear, every day of my life.

Almost like you were pre-year-day of my life. She said, I remember her opening the refrigerator with nothing in there. And I don't know how I remember this. On God, it's my witness. I don't know how I remember. But I remember her saying, look at this. That's all right, baby. God gave me you.

He told me, you're going to make my latter days better than my former days. I was on that mission. I was on that mission. And I kept telling everybody, I'm on this mission. I got to get here. I got to get here. You know, so football is everything for me. It allowed me the opportunity to provide for my family.

You know, I got those business degrees. You know, mine in communications. It wouldn't have given me that instant help like football there. 96, that happened, 97, 98. Your last season, 99. You in Philly, old Vett Stadium. Routine play, catch it, get tackle. But the first thing hit is your head.

And it kind of pushes your head, jars your head backwards. Did you know at the time that it happened that something was wrong? I knew, you know, you're dizzy. You know, I'm trying to start, get the cobwebs out of you. I'm shaking it up, shaking, I'm shaking up. And then everybody comes out and I'm sitting, and I'm hearing them tell me, I'm cross your legs. I think I was like, this.

I'm cross your legs. And I thought I did. And they said, They had a couple of them. Unconstra. And then I look up, and it was Deion. Dion was there. And he was, whew, that's what made me scared.

Seeing Deion prayed like that, I was like, just a door. Because we, you know, we called them headding. Right, yeah. What's going on? What's going on? And then that's kind of how I got it. And they gave me this little thing that willed something.

Let me know if you feel anything. And they said, Let me know if I said, all right. Like I was waiting on you. You wait, you're like, okay, well, go ahead. I'm going to let you know what I feel so. I let you know, right. And yeah, and then when I look up, I see Dion.

That's when I knew. That's when I knew. But I found out, right, I didn't know what I had was called stenosis. The tenosis, it's a narrowing of the spinal cord, and the spinal column, and it presses against my spinal cord. And it's so crazy. And they were like, any other hit can be your last. Yeah.

Right? And I'm thinking, what? Like, what are you talking? This was my route. This is the slant route. I live in this slant route. This is it. This is it.

And that's what, dude, I went and tried to find a doctor that put me back on that field. You know, I wanted to keep playing. You know, and I found one that said, Michael, you've had this for helpful, you know, you played this long with it. It's a risk. It's a risk. I got to tell you that. But you can continue playing. And I talked to my wife about it.

And she would start, you know, way you can do that. And I thought, like, she was right. She was like, because you're going to be out there trying to prove the people that you're not thinking about it and you're not scared and you're going to hit somebody trying to prove and something's going to, like you can't put us through that. I'm going to be worried. So, yeah, I had to finally walk away. But that was hard. That was hard because I knew that that's my lifesaver of football.

Football was my life. That was it. Yeah. Because there ain't no senior circuit. And in golf, you got a senior circuit. Right, right, right. Basketball, you got a big three. You got a big three.

That's basically your single circuit. NFL is over. This is it. And when it's gone, it's gone. And what you said, we can't, it's what we did and not who we are, but separating the two when what you did made you who you are coming from where you came from was very difficult. It was very difficult because, you know, yeah, it gave me the confidence. It gave me everything.

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It's the heartache. Listen to the bright side on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Mike, you came with, you was a coach Landry's last draft class. That's first round. And those vets, Randy White, Ed Too Tall, there were a lot of guys from the glory days, those 70 Cowboys that were still on the team. But the story's like they were telling you

you were going too hard and Friday. And you went to Jimmy, say, Jimmy, I got a list for you. What happened? That first year we went through, dude, I'm coming in from Miami. We're about to win. I just won last championship. I'm going to put the Cowboys. I watch all these years with my dad.

Watching the Cowboys, I can't wait to get here. This is story, franchise. And, yeah, we get here, those first, that first year. And it wasn't, like, Randy Weiss and the, those dudes, they're like us in it. Them, them, them the dogs. Right. They ain't the ones you got to worry about. Right.

They had their old ass out there going hard as they can, you know. They want to, they want to. But they're 14. Right, right, right. But they had other dudes around them. Because, see, when they were carrying the team, but now they couldn't carry the team and the guys they got around them now

when I caught in I'm trying to get us back to here I'm crying when we lose I'm crying like no this they're like come on rook we don't do that in the NFL we don't act like that come on we pick up a check on Tuesday

there would actually dudes saying this I was like what are you talking about man what about the game man it's about winning right that's what I thought about I worked my heart out to get here to play you jokers. And this is how you're all thinking, you know. So, yeah, every dude that talked to me and said that to me,

I wanted to tell Coach Johnson because you can't win with that. You can't win with that. Yeah. I don't mind that you want to make money. I want to make money. Right. I don't mind, whatever. You want to be famous.

You want to meet girls. Whatever. But we all got to focus on winning, and you can get that. But you can't be sitting here telling me, not the hurt, it's okay to lose, Joker. The only way we're going to stop this losing is if it hurts. If it hurts enough. And the more you, and this is what I tell people, Mike.

I say the more you put into something, the more it hurt when it doesn't work out. Right. I say because if it does not hurt when it doesn't work out, you didn't put enough into it. You didn't put enough into it. It's really that simple. And that's the game. That's the game we play. That's the game we play because, and that's why it's not just, and I tell people this, all that, it's not,

Our game is not just about skill. It's about will. You can have a better skill set, didn't mean, and still get your, but look, every cornerback got named earlier, every last one, I'm doing a sense, the Darry Green, where I was, think about these, all of them better physically, the physical skill set that kill me, a physical skill set. They'll kill me. They all run four ones and four two.

I best I'm going to run a four or five, but I'm going to run the first quarter. second quarter, third quarter, four quarter, fifth quarter, six quarter, and seven quarter. And we go eight, I'm still running that four-five. You're going to beat out of five, eight out of five flat by now. I'm going to still be running this four-five. You know it from a four-one to a five flat. I've been that four-five all day long,

because you're not going to outwork me. You know what I'm saying? So skill is one thing, but I got here on will, and you got to commingle those two. That's what makes our sport so unique. We're the only sport that asks a man to move another. another man against his will. Yeah.

Yeah. Mike, I ain't going to where the hell you say you were. You said to get up out of him. I don't know what you're going to do next week. You can do something that week. But you're losing this week, bro. You're going to lose this week. Absolutely.

And get used to it. And I tell you, get used to it, boy, if you're playing me, because I ain't happening. They ain't having it. When did you know you guys had turned the corner and you had the guys assembled that could go win a Super Bowl? You know what? That third year, we came back. I came back. We just drafted in it.

The first game we played in all three of us together was Tampa Bay. I was coming back off from knee surgery. And I had, at that ACL, I had missed the first four games of that season. It's the fifth game of the season. Yeah, yeah. And I was on injury reserve, you know, missed the rest of the season. The first four games on injury reserve. Came back at the fifth game.

Called a game winning touchdown, the cornered in zone. first time all three of us was on the field and we won that game and then we won a few more games that year big game and we'll get the Rams in LA and then we were like oh okay now we're turning the corner now we're starting to turn the corner and then you know that next year that 90 the 91 season we're different that's the year Emmett and I have We both won receiver and running back up the year. You know, we went off. So, and from now on, it was over.

It was over. Once you get a taste of what you win the Super Bowl, because nobody, everybody thought it was going to be, you were going to win the 93 season. Right, right. But you win the 92 season. They thought we were a year away. Yeah.

Dude. But see, that's what, but once you had gone through that 3 and 15, that 1 and 15, that 1 in 15, and now we're sitting in San Francisco. They thought both. San Francisco, they were like, I don't know if they beat San Francisco experience,

and they don't have experience to be Buffalo in the Super Bowl. Man, dude, that's San Francisco game? I don't care. There was no way on God's green earth we were losing that game. I told, I tell people all the time I was walking around,

I remember before that, because we were coming from the 313. That was fresh enough. That was three years ago. That wasn't like, Yeah, that was just yesterday. Yeah. Y'all remember this.

We were just there, boy. And I remember walking around. I'm talking about, I'm ready to die before I leave here defeated. We were all, we were ready. We were all ready to die before we leave there, boy. We were not leaving without that victory. But you know whoever won the NFC championship was going to win Super Bowl. That's how we saw it.

That's how we saw. Even when we got there, they said, well, Buffalo has experience. And I was like, I don't give a damn about experience. Yeah, I run a deep end in the parking lot. It doesn't matter. But, boy, when I walked in that Super Bowl, I was like, oh, wait a minute. Maybe I should care.

Crazy you. Because it's different, dog. And you already 50,000 already. And you put, ooh, I'm like, I'm like, I can't breathe. What's going on out here? You know, you can't breathe. It's different.

You can't even believe it, man. There was nothing like, greatest day of my life after that game. It was the greatest day of my life. I know, bar none, I know. Nothing like that first one. Nothing like it, man. I sat in that locker room and did not leave because I just wanted to remember that. I used to sit in that locker room crying when we lose.

And now I'm sitting in this locker room looking at the Lombardi Trophy. That was, dude, I stayed there all night. When Jerry tells you, when Jerry, when Jerry tells you guys, we're going to make a trade for Charles Haley. You know the story about Haley. Yeah. You, Haley, Haley is a different cat. He's very different now than he was then. And he was very, he was very, very different.

Very different. And I knew it. I knew it because, right, he was in San Fran. And Daniel Stubb, they had drafted Stubb. Yeah. So Stubby was over there. And even when he was playing for San Frin, I hope Stubby don't mind me telling this.

And that's the game I got hurt against San Frum. Stubby used to call. He said, hey, man, do you guys got to play? Will you crack him back? Will you crack down on the D.N? I said, why? He said, dude. I write to a nice check man

to take out Charles Haley's knee Hey how are you talking He said I hate this joker You know because I read Charles was all I mean Charles had been all over Danny Stubbs So he was trying to tell me Come in and take out

You just take him out You know I was like man Hey Haley was all over everybody I ain't coming in and take it It'll take a special time of purdy to deal with him Right right right You have a special dude Special dude

But I mean he If he liked you he liked you he liked you. But if he didn't, right, right. But if he didn't, boy, you're going to stay on you. But no matter what he is, if you put him on the field and say, C, E, QB, he'll get that. CK, E, QB, you could do that.

He could do that real good. I don't care what. Nobody said, man, he was the difference for us on defense. He was the difference. He ran that defense. Now, in 94, you win 92, you win 93. If Jimmy, because I believe, because you. Jimmy was your coach in college.

And I know how you felt about Jimmy. I know how you feel about Jerry. But do you think, do you ever think about like, man, why these jokers couldn't just get along like Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick for 20? That's perfect, too. And I was thinking about that. I mentioned I was meaning to bring that up because you're so good at this. Because that's the perfect example.

And you know why? You know why? Because Jimmy spoke to the media. You see, Belichick, that speaks to that. Right. So, so, so they couldn't take Belichick words running back to craft, twisting them in twine. They couldn't take craft back to Coach Belichick, because neither one of them really take. Belichick don't want to hear.

He ain't giving you the time. He's going, you know what I mean? So it was able to do it for so long. Now, Jimmy, though, Jimmy looking, even I look at the documentary, I can see, I can see it. I know Coach can see it. He sees it. Now, but like us, he was monomaniacal, single focus. He couldn't see it then.

Look at what this league is now. Honestly, y'all can say what you want is because of Jerry. Jerry, when CBS, they're talking about, they talk about a documentary. CBS wanted to give less money. And all the other owners were saying, okay, because CBS was really one of the first network. Good old boy network. Jerry said, ain't no good old boys here. No, no, no.

CBS, you're out. He brought in Fox. Now, now. Made Fox a whole network. Right, right. It made Fox a whole network. And now, now everybody starts growing again. Everybody's coming back in.

CBS tries to want to work back in. He's doing the same thing with Netflix. In the salary cap, coaches making the kind of money they're making, quarterbacks making the kind of money they're making. If somehow they could have worked that out, let Jerry show off the team so he can build a league like he's building the league. And you just do your thing, it would have been perfect. It would have been, Jim, it would have been the greatest coach, known as the greatest coach ever,

because Jerry was going to promote it that way. Because you guys were supposed to be the Patriots before the Patriots became the Patriot. Because when you won your third Super Bowl, Mike, you was 28. Right. Emmett was like 25, 20. Dude, isn't that crazy? Troy was like 26, 27. And you had Larry Allen, you had time, you had your, you had?

You had. We had it, man. It was, dude. It was, hmm. You were, and he couldn't keep it together. God, darn, I could. God almighty could keep that together.

Y'all, y'all could have three peter. I asked him today, I asked him about that day. Because I saw that, I saw that interview in the, in the documentary, when Bob Costa set Jimmy up pretty good, what he said, you know, Jerry said he could coach this team. Do you have any respect for Jerry's football agreement? And he said, well, yeah, as an owner, as an owner, and then Bob came back. And Jimmy thought about it.

And Jimmy's smart enough. I wish you should have handled that. I know he looks back down and say I could. Like when he asks, but as an equal, as an equal, it's a setup question. How the hell you're going to ask this man, is there equal to him? Yeah. You're equal to him as a coach. Now, I wish Jimmy would have said, well, listen, I don't expect this man to know what I know.

To make me an equal. Right. to him in business right because when he's bought Dallas Cowboys because he's been doing that for 35 years correct I've been coaching for 35 years so you can't expect me to think he's my equal like I don't expect him to think I mean

give an answer like that and leave him some room to wiggle you see because he's sitting right next to it I think that was that was the killer I think what really hurt Jimmy is that he said there anybody could coach this team but the question is could anybody have built this team

and that's a good that's a good assess Because to go to get Troy, to draft Emmett, to trade her. And I think to think where it started, who traded Herscher a good way? Who traded Herscher? They were like, Jimmy said, I did it. Jerry said it was a collective thing. And it kind of, it kind of, and then you know you have success. But you know you have success.

Everybody thinks they have success. Even the people that cook the food. Everybody. But you know that food. That was the best food you all hand. We don't cook. I want a Super Bowl with it. We don't want a Super Bowl

random slant robes, Joker. They got nothing to do with no food you put on the table. But everybody does say that. Why y'all are the Super Bowl with it? They got nothing to do it. Nothing, man. But you're right.

And that's why winning at that kind of pace is so hard. It is. Because everybody wants to get more credit than they deserve. Than they deserve. And it's just, and that's why it's hard to keep it together.

Yeah. Mike, you almost got traded to the Raiders. Yeah, you know, they, they, they had played. I would have loved to go to Raiders. If I was going to get traded, Raiders would have been. Al, you remember, Al Davis, you know, I used to walk around when you're working out and always come by, I don't know why. That wasn't tampering.

Why didn't you never put Al with tamper. Al come right on back and watch you work out. Boy, you work out like a Raider. So you want to be a Raider? Right on. I'm like, boy, hey, boy. I ain't, boy. That's his favorite one.

The first time, though, listen, though. If you were a good player, now, David's got close to you, he's going to ask you. He come walking by, oh, he walked by, he wanted. And for us, that was like, boy, that was like Michael Corleone, invite you into the family. Yes, bro. Because he was really, you really, that you actually knew. What?

Because you saw him all the time. That means, you know, he knows. And he's saying he wanted them dogs, because we only want dogs over here. So, you know, he played that great, man. I loved Al, man. I loved Al. But Jerry, Jerry even said, he said when they were talking about trading me and everything, Al Davis, who the one told him, because he was new.

Jerry was due. He said, you don't trade people like that. You should trust me. You don't trade people like that. So, you know, Al, I had a great respect and love for Al Davis, man. I really did. When y'all got time, did you know the time was up for friends? Like 40, I'm glad you.

Y'all enjoyed that championship, but you're not fin to get it. Right, right, right, right. And I was, you know, I had called time. We had talked. Dude, I got time here. He called when we talked on the phone. I said, he said, Michael, man, what is it like? I'd say, what was that like going from Atlanta to San Francisco?

He said, too, San Francisco. I said, just, I'm going to try that by 10. Come on, Phil. Come on that. Let me show you. That's my verbatim word. Dog, that Joker came, that third? You know, I ain't have been all on the ready, y'all.

Prime-time party Thursday night. Yo, come on and make me, help me welcome him here. Help me get him here. We're going to make sure Deons had to be coming. Boy, the whole city came out. It turned out. What? Man, you know.

Time is a show. He's always been a show. He's always been that. He's always been a show, man. So you put that show on, man. And I got time. I was so happy to get him, man. That's my boy. I love him. And I was like, man, we've been beating each other up for a long time. Let's join for us. Let's stop this mess, man. Let's come on and play together. And then that made that Florida thing that we love. Let me, let's go to some current events. You've been outspoken about your door and how the

Browns have handled that situation. And I've said, look, I ain't said the man should start, But I do believe that he played well enough in the one game because I was in a very similar situation, Mike. I got drafted in the seventh round, played really well in the preseason game, and then I started getting refs with the ones and twos. Because the coaches wanted to see, okay, he did that against the threes and fours. Let's see what he could do against tougher competition. Right. I just thought that was the natural progression. I'm not saying he takes all the rep with the ones, but I'm saying, don't you want to see if he could perform at that level?

with better competition against better competition? Correct. Yeah, yeah, and that's the process. That's the process of his progress. I want to see that. I want to see. Now, what they did, and honestly, I knew they would, what they've done now is put it in a situation.

Oh, this is about to be one of the most interesting seasons for the Cleveland Browns that we've ever seen for the Cleveland Browns. The way I see this thing happening, And I'm, you call it a prediction. I'm saying this. I'm prophesying. I know it'll go down this way. I don't know.

But old Joe, he'll play first four, five games, maybe. And if this team is 0 and 4, 1, 5, something like that, and no, you're not going anywhere, or Joe gets hurt. Dude, Cleveland is going to be the first in-season quarterback battle between rookies. If I'm Cleveland, I'm almost saying, this ain't why, though, I'm going to get, I'll start dealing one week, should do it next. So do you know how many people are going to tune in to watch this live, in-season quarterback battle? Joe Flacko hurt. Let's find out.

And we got to find out which one of these, if any one of these can do it. Oh, we got to go back in the market. We got to go back in. This is about to be a very interesting season for the Cleveland Browns. And I believe Shador get those reps that you were talking about to see if, and once you get the reps, I won't make sure you put a game playing together for him. The other day, the other day, he had no time back here with those guys. Why are we doing regular dropbacks? Either give him a quick game.

Right. Just give him a quick game. And you give him a quick game, even though you don't got lime in the block, give me some receivers that can work the quick game. Hit hit, hit, hit, hit, to give me some move. You know what I mean? And usually it takes a quarterback two, three years to really learn a quick game where I can take these bad lines and still make a play. That's Tom Brady's stuff.

That's stuff that's going to take you a little time to learn. So, yeah, I'm anxious to see what happens with you. And I think the thing is, Shadour, he fell into the thing, and you know this better than anybody, Mike. You're not going to make every play. And sometimes he falls into the trap. Correct. He's giving up, bro, you can't give up that kind of ground.

Right. Sometimes, hey, one, two, check it down, throw it away. Throw it away. It's really that simple. An incompletion sometimes is the best thing that you can have. But when you're playing in desperation, it's just like you said. So, okay, okay. So just like you, you're seventh-rounder?

Yeah. So now you got to go ahead, Joker. I know, like the old vet, they've been here for, I know you don't want me to, but I'm about to block you real hard because I don't know if I'm going to be a, So you can let somebody else get in this game because don't ask me to go easy because they're going to send me home. You know what I'm saying? So you got to have you got to work through that because he had a different place.

Like he's got to try to make a play. He does. Like you got to try to make a play because I got to make this team. Of your first round, you threw the ball away. Nobody's going to say that. Right. But you know you're in a competition. So yeah, that's kind of the balance.

Sometimes the incompletion is a good play. It's a good play. And guys got to learn. You know what I want that. And that's the part that most young guys. have to learn in the NFL. They do. Throwing it away.

Zero is better than minus 12. You go back and look at your team that won. You guys got Charles Haley, you took the next step. You ain't got Dion, you went back. You guys had an opportunity to get Randy Mawson 98. Yeah. If you get Randy Mawson 98, do you guys get it? We do it.

Yeah, no doubt. Randy gives me life. What he added to Chris? Carter, he should have added here. You know, I had spoke with Randy during that draft, and Randy, we had already started a friendship. I really thought he was going to get drafted here. And Jerry talked about it just because of the stuff that we had gone through here.

And the way the media came at it, he, you know, they backed him up off Randy. And man, oh, my God, we'd have gotten Randy Maltz. That would have been, that would have been the difference. That would have been the difference. was, well, he ate us up too every time he played it. Oh, that Thanksgiving Day game. He went three for 163. I'm playing him, you know, see, we ain't get him now. I got to match up

on him. I mean, I think I had like 8 for 135. I mean, I was like, got me, beat my buddy in here tonight. You know what I mean? I was supposed to get this dude, man, golly. I heard. That bothered me, too. That was another. When you look at the things that you said, the Eric Williams car accident.

Yes. That cost us. won. Even with Dionne in San Francisco, with Eric Williams, we win that Super Bowl. We win that, we win another Super Bowl. You know, and then you get them, we're certainly going to win. Those things right

there. We get Randy. You know, these are plays that have, man. Yeah, yeah, we're definitely. We could have won five in a row. Five in a row should have won me six or seven by myself. No doubt, though.

I should have won three straight national titles, too. Before I got to Dallas, I played three straight national title games. I should have won all them jolars, too, man. But yeah, yeah. You mentioned the differences between Jimmy and Barry. Jimmy was a guy, he going to grind you. He's going to ride you. He's going to take you to the limit.

He's going to push you, take it right up to the line, and he's going to ask you to look over. He's going to ask you to look over the line. You're going to the line now, Mike. You're going right to do it. You got to go. You got to go. Oh, that's far as I can go right there.

And I was telling you this, that there's a saying that I love that says only those who risk going too far. Can possibly know how much. You know what I mean? And, yeah, that's how we've been doing it. You know, and it's great on the field, but sometimes not so great off the field. But then you get. Barry, and Barry was a guy, you're a professional, your grown man, you know what you're supposed to do,

go handle your business. And it don't, that, that's a great thing to say. But it's not a reality in life. No. And no kind of way. Everybody has to be held accountable to what we're trying to do. And everybody's not going to have the same accountable. if you leave it to them on their own.

Correct. So we have to set the standard for accountability. That's why they got people that self-checkout. They know you're going to scan one and put one in the bag. Scan one, put two in the bag. You know, right? They're like, oh, well, you're going to try. And people, most people are going to try to slip a corner if you don't watch.

You don't watch it. And to win championships, there is no corner slipping. Nope. There is no way. No way around it. Nobody can give it to you. Nobody can hope it for you is will. You got to go take it.

So I can't play with you in the practice because they're not going to play with you in the real. You got to go get it. That's just what it is. Mike, why are you on this? And I've kind of gotten away from this. I really never big on this. Going back and forth with current players or former players. Because Time told me this.

He's like, man, he's like, the problem. that you have. He said, you're not wrong. He said, but because you have a gold jacket, it carries more weight than when anybody else says anything else about the players. So when you say something about a player, you got a gold jacket. You're credentialed. Because for the longest, they're like, well, what did you do? They can't ask Michael Urban, what did he do? He got three of them things. He was an all-decade player in the 90s. And what number of you? I'm 267. What number of you? 232. 32. So you got that. So, when you speak, you know which you speak of.

People get upset. They call it hating. Because you can't have an opinion now. You can't critique a play now, Mike. You hate it. Right, right, right, right. Because of who you are. And Shannon, that's the power of what you do.

And what we have. And let me do this to be righteous because I love you, brother. And let me apologize to you here live while we're on. Because, you know, even when the Travis. Hunter. Hunter stuff went down, you know, with his girl. And I said, come on, man. And then we finally talked about it.

What did we tell? I said the same thing, too. I said, Shannon, I want you to think about that's you saying. Because everybody's talking to this girl and said, I said, everybody's saying stuff. The only one he, what I said, the only way he's going to remember. Is you what I'm saying. And we're going to need you one day to go lift them up. And he's going to bring back up.

Oh, me, you try to talk to my woman with me, like, you know what I mean? And that's what I was talking. Because you just said it. A million other people can say it, but they ain't got the jacket. It'll go right off his bat. But he's trying to get and be you. So he's going to hear it from you. And now you won't ever have the ability to go give him what he needs as he takes his journey.

Right. And that's what I was saying. When I said, Shannon, we're going to need you. When I go, I said, we don't need you. We don't need you. This brother will need you. Right. I don't want him to turn an ear off.

to you. You're one of our greatest spokesman out here. I need you to be and you didn't know anything wrong. Right. But he's going to take it that way. Right.

Because I'm like, you were trying to help him. But speaking to his girl, he's going to be like he won't protect his girl, you know what I mean. And, you know, that kind of thing. Because I told me, you have to understand.

When you were growing up and your mom or your dad or your grandparents told you not to see that boy or not to see that girl, it drove you closer together. Now you ain't on it. Yeah, right.

So now you try. Right. Right. You're trying to pull them apart. They're going to band together almost like a Romeo and Juliet. Right, right, right. And then blame you because, you know, like you did something to it. This generation's different now.

They're very different. I'm different now, you know. I told myself another day, listen, man, I don't want you with all these girls in the house. You know, all these, all these women. Hey, man, that joke is like, hey, dude. This is my house. I do what I want my house. I'm telling you what I want you doing at in my house.

That's what I'm trying to, whoa, I don't hear that. You came into that at that mind. You know, this generation. My son, Elijah told me one time, I said, like, did somebody take my money out there? Somebody steal my money? He said, Dad, did you take the money? He said, yeah, God, I said, I didn't steal your money, Dad, I took it. You're my dad, I can't steal from you.

You took my money. That's how they said. You're my dad, what's yours is mine. I can't steal from you. I said, okay. this boy crazy. You know what I mean? But they believe that.

This generation believe my dad would have grabbed their belt. But we ain't no more money around here. All year long, you came in, you know, it would have been a whole different thing. But this generation different. What do you think about today's receivers? Football is back. That's right. The new NFL season is here.

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But they physically gifted now. Ooh. Some talented motherbrose. always. Mike, you didn't have no 101. When you didn't have no 7-0-Camp-Newton 7-07? You ain't have none of that. We learned to play in the backyard and get. And they're crazy, dog. And these receivers and this

passing game, it's just... Quarterback, that quarterback coaches in middle school, in junior high and high school. I was telling people, we were playing, you had the big receiver and the fast receiver. Yeah. Not a big receiver, is the fast receiver. They all won, man. And it's so amazing to see the talent and skill set.

You got seven footers dribbling basketballs all the way up the floor. Shoot three. Because everybody now, sports have become such a big business. Now, it's like when you tell your kids, go be a doctor, go be a lawyer. Let go be an athlete. So you start training three, four, five years old, and they train all their lives. The fat guys used to shake fat. Now, they're just, man, these are 350-pound wide receiver-looking dude.

Like Aaron Donner, it's not an ounce of fat on these jokes, man. Look at Miles Garry. He ain't supposed to be that. He ain't supposed to be that size and bend the edge. It's amazing to see that. It's amazing to see that. I don't care what you say. He ain't supposed to be like that.

Dude, I saw, I had a mouth. Well, I saw Alonzo Spelman. Have you ever seen Alonzo Spelman walk through a locker room naked with all the muscles sitting on top of him? It's all just, all in the long. I said, God darn, man. Oh, I would hate to make that joke of mad. Man, I mean, it's just a physical.

beast, man. And boy, yeah, Miles Gere, they're different athletes. They're different athletes. They're different now. Now, the physical skill set, physical skill set. Right. Now, mentality, they are different also. I see receivers now tapping heads on third down.

I'm coming out. I ain't never coming out on third down. That's the money. I'm going to get that ball. They're going to get it. You can't even play with me if I see you tap your helmet on third down. Coach, get him out the game. Don't ever bring his ass back.

Don't you keep, you leaving now. We need third down. Yeah. You want to, we need to go. get these other downs right right now you can go some next but you if you leave on this third down don't ever want to play i don't ever want to play with you again so so so that so you got all the physical skill set all the physical skill set but sometimes i question the desire when i see guys walking off the field on third down dinsale has some very some very some very some very strong

comments to say about them cowboys you heard what he said yeah denzil was yeah love dinsale yeah he said he said i don't know yeah that's i i don't know yeah that's i i I heard him talk about Jerry, say, all money ain't good money. You know what I mean? I guess when you get up there with the kind of money they got. For me, all money. I guess when you get up there, I can't wait to see that day, you know. I wonder what the one day if we go, I show like, have a bad, bad, bad 50 years.

Hey, that's a bad 50 million. Now, I don't know if you want that. Well, they sit it over here anyway. I decided. I don't know if I did all money ain't good money but I get the gist of what he's saying you know I get the gist of what he's saying

it's about let's get it to the field let's get back in the championship challenge and everything and I believe and he's right about that he's right about it and that's why and I know Jerry does business but that's why I thought this time this time is the right time

to get Michael Parson done let's not go through what it went through with Doc and C.D. Let's make Michael. I wanted him to make Michael to Patrick Mahomes of this team. I thought that would have been smart. Right. The expectations.

You got George Pickens. CD comes back healthy. Dak says he's feeling good. The only thing really, the uncertainty is your defense. But you're going to be reliant on your offense because your best player, three of your best four players. Michael, for me, is the best player on this team. But you got Cedie, you got Pickens, who's coming from Pittsburgh,

extremely talented, but, you know, hey, he wasn't getting the ball, he would mope, he wouldn't block, and do you have that? What is your expectations for the Cowboys this season? What you have to look at this year, and especially in this league, Cowboys probably the last year had those 3, 12, and 5 seasons. They were averaging about 28, 29, 30 points in game in those years. They were top, pretty tops in offense. In this league, if you're going to put an offense on the field, you're going to put an offense on the field, field, you can win some games. Yes.

You can put the offense on the field, and you can make some plays late. You can win the game. Now, my Cowboys, I have that on offense. The issue I'm having with, and when you do go up and put them points on the board, now you just set the defense up to pin their ears back. The best ear pinner you have, you're not even paying. True. So how are you working harmoniously to get to a.

Super Bowl. So Michael Parsons' value went up when you got George Pickens. Correct. Because now, every time you gave, given that, two receivers, he came away, 12 and 5. He was in the top offense, and you know you got, he has that now. Right. Michael Parsons should have more value because he can get to the quarterback, and if you're going to put up 35 points.

That's the surprise that I think will hit a lot of people this year, because the Cowboys will put up at least third point a year i think i think it was last year you spoke about your wife who's been by your side through thick and thin a baby and you said she's going through early onset dementia yeah how how has that been on you dealing with that i mean she's such a young age and to see the woman that you've been she was a cheerleader after you you met in college right and to see her go through that and and and with the support that she's given me over the years, you know, my wife, I'm 59, and we recognize some things were going wrong with her about 10 years ago, actually.

Really? We thought it was menopause, and, you know, you go through it, and you start going to the doctor. Now, I'm coming off of burying my mother-in-law. Well, I buried my mom. She had Alzheimer's. My mother-in-law was living with us because she had Alzheimer's. and we were taking care of her and now we thought my wife

were going through menopause at 49 because she's coming in 50 so in about a year but year or a half of testing we find out it was early on set so we had been dealing with this eight nine years you know going back and forth

and it's been you know what's difficult is you know it's quite hard to take care of someone 24 hours a day 24 hours a day 24 hours and she and she has that agitate all times. And I have to keep a 24-hour nurse with her, nurse with her all the time.

And these people now, you know, she's getting agitation all the times and she hits you. They take that nurse out, send another nurse, and they put more charges on. I mean, they're running a bell up on me. But she, if anybody, has earned the right to being her home. Yes. You know what I mean? And no matter what, she will be in her home. I just, I have to do it.

And it gets hard. But football gets me like, I'll do what I got to do all week. And they didn't get to go on the weekend and talk football or so well, watch some games, have a good time. And I can come back and do what I got to do again. You know what I mean? Take care of my wife, take care of my family. But football still, football playing football brought me out of the ghetto.

Now, being around the game, and keeps me sober and gives me that lift so I can go deal with everything else I need to deal with. The most touching thing. that I took from that documentary is that when you got in that trouble and your wife said the Lord told me I am your wife and whatever else you did you got to work out that with him

but I'm your wife and I'm not leaving but you got to work out what you need to work out with him when you told you told a story and it almost like you broke that like that broke me

everything else I had been through I thought I was strong enough to overcome. But when I heard or utter those words, that broke me. It's the fight in me, right? I told you about the reptilian brain. I'd rather her to fight me here. Not physical fight because I never hit a woman. But I rather said, what is wrong with you? What are you doing? How could you do? How could you do me like that? Then I, what? I've been taking care of everybody, you know, that's, I'm taking care of my family, your family, I'm going through. You can run to that. Yeah. You could run to that. But she didn't fight.

me. She says, I'm going to get out the way. And now she makes that fight between me and me. Now I'm looking. And she just showed me in that moment, how much she doesn't deserve, how much I don't deserve her, in that moment. And she's saying she's not going anywhere. What you go in the room and say to that? What do you do? I was hoping she going to fight me and we get in the argument. I can walk back out of the door and go do some more. Right. Or she said, I'm a devoid. Hey, see, if you want to be out there, I'm out. Do what you got to do. I'm going. I'll go back and do some more. You know what I mean? But when she hit me with that, it was, oh, yeah, boy, you, that was, that was the hardest. When you found yourself

alone with yourself, did you ask God, God, what did I do deserve this woman? What did I do to deserve her? What did I do to deserve your mercy? Yeah. Something like that. A woman like this. And my mom, my mom, man, she was always like, you know, you meet people as you go through.

And my mom would always say, that's a cool girl, baby, but she's not the one. Like, that's a good woman, but she's not the one. That's a girl, and she's not one. I like her, but she's not. As soon as she met Sandy, she was like, that's it that's the wife

that's what my wife and my mom were very close you know very close and my and me and her mom

was very close because her mom put me back together like even when I was out all night messing around come back home

her mom would say baby come on it's just a devil that we're trying to take out blessings

she said I got you just we're going get you back on your feet and she would pray feed me

saying ain't nobody going nowhere we're going get you back on. That's the old school, though. Yeah, that's our grandparents. They came up, man.

And it happened in the day, that's that village. Yes, absolutely. When they say you can take a village. Yes. They're going to look out and take care of you, and she was like that. I love her mom and I was so close. I miss her so much, man. Because she just helped me with everything.

You know, she just helped me. But, yeah, that's been hard. And the thing was, after watching what my mom goes through, and then I was picking her mom up all. off the floor, even at the household time. When she realized, when we realized, it was Alzheimer's. My wife, she made her a problem. She said, I don't want anybody know.

I don't want anybody to know or don't want to say. That's why people never found out. We've been dealing with 10 years because she didn't want anyone to know. And how they found out is I brought everybody, because I told everybody that you can come live at the house. It's a big house. She saw us, you come live at the house to help out.

and then her brother and sister get in a fight at the house and I'm working and they're calling me all the time and he has to go, he has to go and I had to get her brother to leave and he didn't want to leave and I had to take him to court to leave out and then it all came out in a little court because I had to get him to leave

and standing there, you know, and it was just, it's messed. This is so hard on families disorder because every family member loves the one that is sick and they think they know what's best. And you're arguing about treatment and who's going to take care of it. And this thing requires an anointing.

I can't do it 24 hours a day every day. So I have to get help. It takes an anointing to take care of people. So I'm praying for everybody out here that's dealing with it. And there's a lot of people that are dealing with it. You know, a child, taking care of a child, you can pick your child up.

You can carry him around. but you're talking about an adult that's not as easily manageable. Correct. Correct. And like you said, she's at that state where she gets agitated and she fights you back and you try to calm her down. And it's a huge undertaking. And with a child, you have hope of tomorrow.

I'm doing all of this now, but the kid's going to learn and they'll be able to do it. So you got an end game. There is none here. She's not going to get better. We're going to continue to do this. And so you just got to keep that support and keep people around her. Like the doctor said, bring as much family around as you can. Does she recognize family?

She doesn't recognize. You know, it's so funny, you said it, for the first time, about three months ago. And I promise you, man, in at least seven and eight years before she said it, she looked at me. You know, she said, and I held the hands out. Like, come here, baby. And she hadn't done that in, you know, seven, eight years. About six years ago, six years, seven years ago, she came, we were in the room, and she looked at me like, who's this in my bed?

And that's what I knew. Yeah, yeah, I can't be in the room anymore. so I had to go to the other room because she was like hey I don't know who is this man in my bed you know so yeah she had to have my own room that hell sorry to hear that Mike

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blues, and I was like, this is it. For me, it's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey. It's the people. It's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to The Bright Side on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You touched on it briefly. Rampage Jackson, his son, Roger, got into a situation with a psycho stew. And he gets on the internet. The internet is a blessing on a curse. Yeah.

It is a blessing of curse. Because you've seen it make careers and you've seen the end careers. and sometimes people perform do performative for the camera that's really not who they are but they perform for the cameras I mean all the time

ain't know sometimes most of the time most of the time if you could if you could like if that was your child I mean how would you go about it Mike

how would you how would you like man you know I thought Rampage you know he came out and says look I would want to apologize for my son that's really that's really all you could do

because the act has already happened you just hope that people will give him mercy, will give him grace, show him leniency. But there's really nothing, I mean, it's happened now.

Yeah, I tell you what, now I know they're trying to say all of this and everything and they told him part of the scheme and all of that. There's a lawsuit coming. I don't apologize, who apologized to who,

whatever psychos through and, and, because somebody's going to get psychos through. said, listen, we got money here. Right. We got so sold. There's a lawsuit coming.

I just, I, you know, I just want, like, if, if, if, if you're going to be doing all this in streaming and inviting people in, understand you're inviting in their opinions, too. Yes. So you can, after inviting all these people in, go crazy on somebody else, because all these People say you solve and all that, you know, because that's what he was, look, he be calling me a little bit, ain't this, ain't that. Well, you invited them to this show. Yes.

You told them that their opinions matter, and you allowing them now space in your brain and these things happen. Yeah. I think, I think I used to always say, I'd rather somebody, I'd rather be around somebody that's, I understand mental illness is real, but I'd rather be around. somebody that's really mentally ill than somebody's acting like their mentally ill because

somebody's acting like they're mentally ill or take it too far to prove the point. You know what I mean? And somebody in the middle of ill, you can kind of see it and deal with it and work with it. And I don't know. I don't know about him, but I was like, I'm worried about what I see with that.

Dude, wait, it's a wrestling match. We all know that. his faith. Correct. And that can he hit you with, ain't no, that's spup up in that gap.

That can was already soft and prepared for that here. You didn't even move when he hit you. It wasn't even that serious. And I understand. But for you to go after all of that time

and well like that and think that was okay, that's a little crazy. Right. That's a little crazy. And you might say, well, that's crazy, Michael, we're talking about that.

We just talked about you, Cud and dude throwing all of that. Yeah. Yeah, but that was, whoof. I mean, you just pounded 25 times on this man, and he's out. That's, yeah. What's it been working like with Cameron Mason? I love those guys.

It reminds me a lot of Dion and I. Right. You know, that old friend's shit that's been around a long time. You got those hidden things to mess with. But they're smart dudes. Yeah. They are smart dudes, man. I love what they've done.

And I love the brain, because our people spend a lot of time, music, and sports. So when you start blending those two, you can grab a good audience, because that's what we do. And that's, you know, that, so I love having that opportunity to talk to us, to talk to that audience. I enjoy being with it. Cam, caused some criticism, Cam Newton. When he said Jalen Hurts, he don't think Jalen Hurts is the top 10 quarterback. everybody now they try to undermine his career came

with a phenomenal player he won the Heisman trophy phenomenal I mean are we no longer allowed to have opinions Mike yes you can have an opinion you can have an opinion but you got somebody else going to have an opinion on your opinion right that's just what it is

and if you deliver the opinion and you come off of anything where people feel you are staying professional and you go personal, then they're going to go person. Correct. And it's just what they may see. You know, every Eagle fan once you say that about Jalen Hertz, come on, man. They just gave him a Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Took them to two. You gave him last one. So you're going to

get some pushback. And you then win that Super Bowl. You just got to get ready to handle that. And you're going to get everybody going to bring up. You're not diving on that ball. Correct. You just got to be ready for And be ready when you go in, you know, be ready to go in when you go in and understand that's what's going down. That's what's going down. I'm going to get you out of here on this one, Mike. Your dad raised 17 kids. You don't nearly have that many kids. What type of father is Michael Irvin? How close of your father, how he raised his kids are you to raise your kid? My dad was more hard on us. It was more difficult. tough you know what i mean my dad my dad said i was a kid he said you know teaching me about being a man

he said being a man is about making decisions living and dealing with the results are the consequences that's what we got to do you know and so i remember being young and thinking i was sling and said oh okay so i said with that you know i knew i'm going to make a decision you tried to wake me up one day. I made a decision. I think I want to quit school. He said, okay, son. Let's go then.

I said, I just made a decision. I thought you should have been a man and making a decision. Right. And I said, yeah, that's the decision. The other side of it is the consequences. Let's go. You're going to go to work with me.

Dude. I went to work with this joke that first day. Oh, and he was a roofer. Like, we went on the roof. Yeah. And laid towel in Florida. So my dad died of a brain and throat tumor.

To this day, I know it was the sun in Florida being down on his head. Because we worked Sunday, sunlight, sunlight. Yeah, but you had to have those ties up. You had to cut those towel upstairs. I'm carrying towel. I mean, on top of the roof, because now they got a machine that'll ride it up there for you. Dude, that's where my hands lay. And I had to put on ropes, pull that stuff up.

You had to grab him to the towel. So he worked me to death. When I went to college, I worked every summer with him. I went to college. I took the pants. in the shirt with all the cement on it. It was on my wall in college. I said, well, if you don't make football work, that's going to be work.

Yeah. I'm never going to work that. I'm never going to work that. That what I tell, Keith, I made football. Have a lot of jobs when you're growing up because they tell you what you don't want to do. What you don't want to do. Because if you can't do that job as a child, when you're young, it got full of energy. Energy, right, right.

Having an adult. No time for it. No time for it. So it's a different. And it goes back to what I was saying when we started. In our areas, where we grew up, we didn't have, I want to be him. I want to be him. I want to be him.

Them pants and shirt, I don't want to be him. That's what I know. I will not be him. And that's how you got it. That's how you got motivated. 2026 Super Bowl Chamboyal Cowboys? 2025 that plays in 20206. Cowboys got a chance here.

Cowboys got a tent. We got a new head coach, and there's so many things. You've got to see how he handles in-game. Right. In-game. But in this league, if you can put 25 to 30 points on, you can win any game in this league. And the Cowboys have an offense that can put up 30 points,

27 to 30 points. You can win games. When you re-watch America's team, the gambler and the cowboys when you rewatch all that what goes through your mind man it's first of all I'm so glad they're showing these highlights

man because they forgot they forgot to a place I forget about bad a brother well I forgot how bad I was I ain't mad at deal I forgot I'm like god dang I did all that I got a babble two touch dollars two touch dialed 18 feckers what said that boy hey boy God I don't know why we like that

why them highlight bro I'm like who everywhere I go now doing speaking engagements and they play these highlights I'll give me a copy of that I got a copy of all of them I want all the highlights you know what I mean so first it's always you go through and you go over those moments man

but people what I want them to take from and I want what I want these current cowboys to take from it is what we talked about the closest it takes to win championships I always say this football teams and organizations will never win a championship.

It's too hard. It has to be a football family. Think about championship teams. Man, you, in football, you, in baseball, Reggie, he can have a problem with the men. Y'all ain't got to get along. You can still win. And basketball, you can probably still win.

It ain't happening in football. Because everything is interconnected and interdependent on one another. Yeah. So we can't have these strife, this gripe. This division. This division. You can't be.

So that's the whole game. If you become this close, this is what it takes to be a champion. And you could talk about all of the talent we had, but you get to see the work we put in and the determination we had to turn it around. And honestly, there's nothing greater when it starts at the bottom and you raise it to the top. That's the greatest journeys that you can take. Playmaker.

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