Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Mike Epps Part 1

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

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Liberty, Liberty, Liberty. You were talking shit to me on the way to my hometown. When you got to the airport, motherfucker, there's Shannon Sharp here. He just, I was all, Sik, Shannon Sharp at the hotel at the airport. I talked to a man, Turf and talk to it. I can take my motherfucket jacket off too. All my life. Sacrifice.

Hustle paid the price. Want a slice. Got the roll of dice. That's why all my life. I've been grinding on my life. Look, all my life. Been grinding on my life. Sacrifice.

Hustle pay the price. Want a slice. Got the roll a dice. That's why all my life. I've been grinding on my life. Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shethe. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Shethe.

Stopping by for conversation on the drink today is one of the most hilarious. It's one of the most hilarious comedic minds of our time. He's one of the funniest comic actors to emerge in Hollywood. He went from stand-up comedic star to a bona fide international movie star, one of the most celebrated comedians of our time. He tours the country and performs the sold-out arenas, award-winning and critically praised actor, multifaceted host, writer, executive producer, entrepreneur, real estate magnate, artist, entertainer, and extraordinaire.

He's a powerhouse, an icon of a legend. The OG, here he is. Mike Epps. What's up, Shannon? Sean. Man, look here. Hey, you know this light now to happen. Fuck you, Shaq.

Man, fuck you, no. Boy, I don't need to lie to you. You had me on swore. I was going to whip you. Okay. Well, hey, you know what? Hey, you ain't got your bars here. Now, you get your ass toe up.

What's up? We ain't up right here between those swings. You know what? I ain't going to be no old person. But you know what? You know, I know you a football player, but I ain't turning down no phase, though. If we would have got in the fight,

I wasn't going to turn down the phase. You aren't talking about you going to shoot me. You were in the bed talking about, you're going to be talking about, tie, tie, time. You ain't want any problems. I never said that I was going to shoot you, bro. What you say? Shannon.

I didn't say that I was going to shoot you. But them little homies going to probably tear your ass up. I wasn't going to fight your big ass, man. Let me ask you this. I had seen you at the, I've seen you at the, uh, uh, uh, what did I see you at? Whole Foods in Atlanta.

And you was nice as hell to me. That's what, that's what took me by surprise. What? I said, hold on. I'm saying to myself, I said, hold on. I just saw this man, the Whole Foods. We exchanged them. You hadn't did the interview with Kat.

The cat thing, that's- He didn't say shit about you. Look. I could have put you in there. You did. You did say my name. Oh, look. I said, I said, I said, Mike.

You said my name, no, nigger, the way you said my name, you said it like you was trying to set me up to get him to talk about me. I was watching, I watched the interview, Shannon. This is what I said. I said, Mike, I said Mike else played that. I said, can't nobody else play day day, but Mike. That ain't, you might have said that, but you did say some other shit that. And where I was talking about with that at, Shannon, to be honest with you, bro, I respect your podcast. I respect you getting your money.

What threw me off was, I'm like, this ain't interviewing nobody but comedians. Yes. That's what threw me off. Why? Because I'm like, this is our business. Look at what the, look what kept me a cat that shit up. So that, hold on. I can't even do this shit now.

That nigga broke to my record. Why am I doing this shit? So let me ask you this, because I did catch a lot of flat. Let me tell you why we brainstormed out, because in the beginning we did mainly athletes. Right. But I said I got the athlete. See, I had to study that to know that. At first, I thought you started off doing comedians.

I started out with athletes. I said, in order to, what the Popeyes did chicken, but in order to get bigger, what they do, the chicken sandwich. Yeah. So in order for me to get a different audience, let me do celebs, let me do entertainers, let me do comedians. Yes, I can get the athletes. But I need to get a different audience because that's the only way you can grow. I get it. I mean, if Target just sold one thing, they're not going to be Target.

If Costco sold one item, they're not going to be Costco. So in order for me to grow, that's what I had to do. Now, I didn't know I was going to have to whip a comedian in order to get even more followers, but I thought that's the weird route. I was going to have to go. Well, niggia, you weren't going to whip me first of all. I wasn't going to let. I know you played football and everything.

I played. I don't play no long. And he was a great-ass tied-in. I appreciate that. You was a great tight. You wasn't as good as Mike Dicker. But you was a good time of you. I did, okay.

So let me ask you this. Because a lot of comedians got upset at me. Yeah. Because I think what Cat did was peel a scowback that outside the comedic world nobody knew about. Didn't nobody know that there was this hostility or this budding of heads between comedians because it was never talked about.

Right. And so what Cat did is that cat lifted the veil and like, oh, this one don't like that one and that one don't like this one. And I don't like him and he don't like that. And so everybody got mad at me. I was like, bro, I mean, I don't know what you. all want me to do.

Yeah. I understand that. I understand that. I mean, you know, I mean, the thing of it is that us as comedians, we all, every last person that Kat talked about, everybody that I talk about, we all worked hard as to get here. Mm-hmm. You know.

And I guess each one gets money the way they get money. You know what I mean? Get it how you get it. Yeah, and that's what everybody has to respect. But like I said, it just felt like it was like the interview was set up to gear towards attacking. You see what I'm saying? Oh, that's what he, you realize the first 45 minutes, I didn't ask a question. Yeah, I understand that.

So. Yeah, that was it. But that's what I'm saying. See, that's just like me right now. I could tell a million stories about. I just need like three or four. You need three or four. Well, you know, before we go to one, let's get a call.

Let's get a talk about it. I'm ready to go down. Check this out. I'm ready to go about it. This is my cognac. This is a motherfucker you want to talk about right there. This is a Shade by Laporte. It's a BSOP cognac.

I know you like cognac. I know you do. It's the best, just the best cognac you're going to ever put to your lips. You ain't put no P. Diddy in there. May I go, there you go back there. You're having a shit over here in the morning. Hey, bro.

You've been in this thing three decades, bro. That's pretty smooth. Yeah, you thought it was going to burn. I don't, yeah, see? See? That's pretty smooth. Yeah, I've been in the business 30 years, man. But you know what?

When you and I had a conversation, we talked on the phone, and I just thought it was very important. I want to hear why you thought it was very important for you and I to have a conversation. Yeah. To set a lot of differences. Be a degree or disagree, we can agree to disagree, but you felt, I felt that we need to have a conversation,

and I'm going to tell you what I was going to tell you my things from my point of view I wanted you to hear from your point of view and we got I didn't I didn't anticipate you showing up at Country Kitchen since that up because he knew I was coming and the next thing I know I'm sitting down there and Jordan he's a boss there Mike Yel so now I'm like okay you know I ain't ain't too much I could tuss him for my nigga that was my hometown you were talking shit to me on the way to my hometown and then you got to the country kids, when you got to the airport, I said Shannon Sharp here at the airport.

He just, I said, oh, shit, Shannon Sharp at the hotel at the airport. I talked to a man, Turf and talk to him. Your ass was coming there anyway. Yeah, I was coaching the All-Star Games. Yeah, you was coming there anyway. But that was the thing, Shannon. One of the most important things that came out of that

is we got a chance to show these little youngsters out here that guess what? It ain't always got the end in no violence. Or fighting each other and putting our hands on each other. Because at the end of the day, we're still all black men. Yep. You know what I'm saying? We're still all examples in front of millions.

Millions. That's just like whatever cat said, it wasn't that bad. Right. It was, it was, it was, it was like a roasting him. He just got up here and roasted everybody. Nick, I can take my jacket off too. Shit, shit, shit. All right, we up here at White T.

Thank you. trying to, just in case you get upset, but no, I think the thing was for me. Right. Is that everything that you said that I wanted to show, look, we disagree. But just because we disagree, that doesn't mean that we have to fight. We have to, like,

get out here because at the end of the day, ain't no other group doing that but us. You're right. There ain't nobody doing that about us. You're right. I mean, ain't nobody fighting Joe Rogan. Ain't nobody fighting for your vine. Ain't nobody fighting anything to do shows. And there might be people that say things that they disagree with.

But we're the only ones that feel like I got to show you how much macho, how big and bad I am. I'm going to show you. We ain't got to do that, bro. Let's go ahead and get this money. But that's where we come from. You know, the neighborhoods and stuff that we grew up in, man. I'm pretty sure you had a bully. I had a bully.

Everybody had a bully when we were kids. And we grew up in neighborhoods fighting, man. black kids did. We grew up fighting each other. You know what I mean? And, hey, man, unfortunately, that's what it is. But like you said, as adults, we have to make sure that we We passed that stage now. That's right.

So, but I'm glad that we got an opportunity. But do you feel that's an obligation? Because everybody referred to me as, they call you the OG. Do you feel like we have an obligation to our community to show that there's a better way outside of violence to handle a difference? We do.

We all are, we all are responsible for the youngsters out here because they're watching us, you know? And if you are somebody that the kids are watching, whatever you do, they're going to do it. Yep. And sometimes you can't even see your influence. You're doing some shit. You don't even know somebody's copying you. Nope.

So we are responsible for that. And that's the hardest part about coming from where we come from is that a lot of us don't want to take the responsibility. because we're so used to being I'm who I am. Yeah, I'm who I am. No matter what, hey, now you're gray and you're old doing this shit and you look stupid as a person.

Right. Yeah. Because if you think about it, think about everything you see these NFL players do when they start doing all this stuff like this, what the college kids do? What the high school kids do? They start doing it.

Steph Curry hit a three and do this right here? What are they're doing in the college? So you are influential, whether you choose to be or not. And I think you should take responsibility because all the positive that comes along with it, you're so accepting of it, the money, the fame, the attention, the adulation that comes along with it. So I think we do have an obligation, Mike, to, like, put our best foot forward. We do. To make sure that the ones that are watching us say, you know what, man, Sharp and Mike had a disagreement.

But I like the way they settle that, man. They got together and they say, you know what, man, I understand. I might not agree with what you said or how you said it, but I understand you being a comedian, you said it. Bro, let's dab this thing up, let's move on. Yeah, because it's enough. It's called the motherfucker. Yeah.

You got this motherfucker on jail, on hospital in this motherfucker, man. Because it is enough situations out there to show that or where it couldn't come to an agreement. And it's enough, like you said, it's enough of doing that. Yeah. We don't have to do it. Right. So when CAD came, like, people like, man, you said, I say, Harriet, first of all, when someone comes sit down, I'll always ask them, is there anything you don't feel like you don't want to talk about?

Because if you're sitting in that chair, what you're sitting in, I believe you have enough of a career that I can talk to you over your career about about something that's not your most salacious or something that you don't want to talk about. I believe you have enough of career that we can talk about, exclude that, and still get the best Mike else. That's right. So when he came, I had no idea what he was going to talk about, but that's his story. Like Mike, if I tell me your story, and I'm like, Mike, that didn't happen. That is your story. You're telling me your story. I wasn't there.

That's right. So I can't, I can't. They're like, man, you should have said, no, stop what? I don't know his relationship. Well, you know what I think, because I met Cat Williams long time ago, we used to do, we did a thing called uh uh it was a comedy competition in the bay area it was called the bay area comedy competition and cat was a cool as a man nice and a motherfucker his name was cat in the hat yes and cat cat when it was time to do next friday ice cube asked me man you know him i said hell

yeah that's cat in the hat from oakland because i thought he was from oakland because he's always like a bay area dude to me i said hell yeah that's cat he said man he funny he's funny that's him. He put him on Friday after next. Right. So. So you knew him prior to Friday after next. Hell yeah. Okay. From doing, like I said, the Bay Area Comedy. I thought he was from Oakland. And then he did the Bay Area Comedy Competition, and I knew him from there.

But he was always a cool, calm, funny dude to me. I never seen all of the crazy shit that happened. But I can honestly say this right here. I really think that coming up in this business, When you're young, as a comic, you could probably relate to it in sports. I think, you know, I think you do get brushed by older guys the wrong way. I didn't been brushed by a couple of them, but I don't say nothing about it because I understand what to see. It's a sport and it's camaraderie.

And when you first come in the game, when you first come in the locker room, just talking shit. Really? I mean, in anything. Yeah. I think, I think if you, when you're coming in the prison, you're going to try. You go in the locker room of a sports joint. You know that. Am I line?

They're not trying a lot of, especially if you play this, because it's like, okay, I might take somebody under my wing, but am I really trying to take somebody under my wing that's really trying to take my job, take food on my table? Hell no. Hell no. So you're going to be away with them. And I think that's what happened to Kat. Right.

Crossed them a couple times. Steve Harvey. All of the motherfuckers crossed him some kind of way. Right. But it happens in the game because I'm a. the comic now and I run into all kind of young that sometimes I run into little young comics and I'll be looking at them like you need to get a job

straight to f*** up now you're going to have to prove to me later on right if and if I see you again and you're hot I'm gonna say shit this little end up turning into something right but I know that can happen and I'm pretty sure that happened to cat right because it happened to me right but some of the same that he was talking about damn but but but I

I never took it the way that cat took it. You see what I'm saying? The only that I took that from me and Kevin Hart had a little problem is Kevin was a dude that came right up under me. Right. You see what I'm saying? And he blew up and he got famous and he got rich and they weren't no longer talking about Mike Epps. But before Kevin came along, they were talking, man, I had this shit locked down. Right.

I did. I was out on the road. But I didn't know that other part of it. of business, which was business. Business. You know, I got in show business, and all I was good at was the show part of it. Because I didn't grow up under business.

And all I could speak for was really my work, which later on in life, that shit ended up helping me because I did good work. And I didn't get the big accolades, but I did good work. But Kevin Hart knew how to do that show and their business. So he was able to get in there. And then I had to end up learning from him. That's how that shit worked.

The old learned from the new, the new learned from the old. And I didn't understand that. So I took it to heart. You know, I took that shit to heart. I was looking at it. I'm like, shit, this is a little dude that came up under me that opened up in me. That sometime I put money in his pocket. And he don't remember, but a couple times I've seen.

seen him and he would kind of brush me the wrong way. And see, people do that shit sometimes, especially if you get some success. Sometimes if you get some success and you hot and a person see you and you don't respond to them or act a certain way with them, especially if they're an OG to you. They'll take that shit to heart and all this.

Some of the fucking think he better than me, you know? That's how that shit end up happening. And I told him that. When I seen him, I said, you know what? You actually end up putting fire under me. that's what it ended up actually doing it made me it put fire into me because at the time

man I was settled in whatever the I was settled in I needed some young to come along that was hot and the people was loving them and looking at me like what you gonna do you know

that shit hurt but at the end of the day I'm like okay you know what I know what I got to do I got to stick it to them so I just went back to my regular roots to who I really was That's how I started comedy, you know, and that shit helped me, propel me to keep going

and stop looking at the new, stop looking at the old, and just, just focus on what you've got because there's only one mickeeps. Ain't going to be no other mickeeps, it's only one mickeeps, go do mickeeps, and you're going to get whatever you get from that. And once I focused in on that, I was able to breathe, and I'd be free, and not look at the young coming up or the old. So in other words, a lot of what Kat was talking about that some people rubbed them the wrong way. Some rubbed you the wrong way.

You just didn't take it the way Kat did and voiced it because you could, but you're like, you know what, let me leave well enough long. I'm eating. I'm okay. Yeah, and that's a testimony to believing in yourself and believing in your art. When you believe in your art and your testimony, I have a lot to believe in. that'll help that that keep me from getting into bullshit. Right. I'm a good actor.

Right. So I can rest on that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm good at what I do. So do I really need to do some other bullshit to get people to look at me hell now? Right. But as days I wake up, I'm like, oh, shit, I need to get a podcast. Right.

Because it looked like the business is leaving me. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. Oh, Shannon Chalk just got a big ass deal. I got to do this. Right. Let me go give me some glass.

in a tight-ass shirt. I'm serious. I started looking at a little tight church and shit. I said, I'm going to do it. I'm not lying. That shit did cross my mind. Because when you see a getting money and success,

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He devolved some information that I didn't know. Right. He said that he was originally cast to play Money Mike. Kat asked me, say, why? I said, Kat, how am I supposed to know? I wasn't on the set. I got to take, if you were to say, you know what, you don't know Sharpe? That's not true.

Check this out. If you were to say Sharp, I was originally scheduled to play Damon I got to believe that because you were there how would I know that's not true so I said Kat how would I know that's not true

so when we released the episode and we had that clip that Ricky said that he was originally scheduled to do money Mike Kat responded upon it I didn't think I didn't think he said anything bad I didn't know that

wasn't true I don't think that was true. I think that knowing Ice Cube and watching how he works, because I didn't work with him many of times, and he is involved in the casting. Yes. I think Ice Cube might have, you know, vaguely told, because that's how Ice Cube is.

He might tell Nick, go read these two parts. I want you to read for this one and read for that one. I don't know if that's what happened. Right. But it's something in the longer lines of that. Right. Where Ricky could have thought that. Mm-hmm.

But money, Mike was... But like I'm saying, so you look at it. Yeah. I don't believe... I don't think Ricky liked the part he played. Because he had the band down on you really couldn't see it. Yeah. And he said that, he said that me and Ice Cube was really hitting him hard with the tree.

You know, you know, we found him. And that nigger kept saying, man, y'all hit me hard with the tree. And Ice Q was like, what's so this dude? I said, I don't know. I said, I'm not hitting him hard with the tree. You was. You were framed with him, man.

Yeah, you were. Yeah, you were. Yeah, Mike. You were framing on him, man. I wasn't hitting that n*** with that tree. Ice Q slammed the tree on that nigger. And when he slammed it on, he rick and got him and said, okay, that's it.

No, my, no more of the tree slammed on it. man man you know i can see now you went overboard with it i swear i wasn't the one hit yeah i was hit me more than you was but i really wasn't trying to hit him with the i mean sometimes when you wrote in an actor i think ice cube might have told me go ahead and hit that dick man no he didn't tell him that oh that dicky go bad i knew them did that on purpose yeah and so that and so that was the situation i didn't know I thought, I was like, well, damn, I remember thinking I said, CJ, man, he revealed that he was supposed to be Money Mike. I said, people are going to really love this because he gets, so I didn't know.

But can you see Ricky as Money Mike? No. Right. It's hard to see because when you, like, we've all seen somebody was originally supposed to play this part or somebody was supposed to originally sing this song. Yeah. And after you hear that person saying the song, like, I know you can sing, but I don't think you would have did it like this person did it. Yeah. So, no, I can't see him. I think Ricky played the role as the Santa Claus.

Then he played it amazing. Yeah. That kleptos Santa Claus. Do you think Gonzales should be sitting where you at right now instead of you? I don't know if that's his call. No, no, no. I just said that he's a tight end. No, I'll just fucking with you.

But if you look at the tight end, look at all the tidings. Me, Jason Whitten, Gates, Gonzo, all the guys. No, you took that shit to the next level, though. You made, you made it where, you know, you was the first. I tied in that was catching that shit. Yeah. But I think the thing is, you know what it is, Mike? You said it all. When people come sit across with me,

within the first five to ten minutes, they look at me and they said, this man ain't judging me. Whatever I've done or haven't done, I don't look at somebody with judgmental lives. And so they're willing to open up to me because I don't have any judgment. And I think that's the thing that people love about me. You got them drunk or you let, I didn't leave nobody.

I don't make nobody say anything. So the question, They just want to, yeah, you're like a detective. You make a tell on their self, like on first 48. The thing's just sit there and just tell the digger all that shit. That's because most of these nests want to need a daddy. You look like a daddy to some of these. But the bad you look like no daddy to me.

You look like a big old kid. You older than me, Mike. I ain't older than you. How old are you, Shannon? 557. I have the f*** my older than you. I'm 55. Do I look older to you?

Kind of. Hell, no. Stop cutting your face like a white man and let the beard grow on your shit. See how old your old southern hair. I ain't never had no face with him, man, because I ain't never had no beard, you know. That shit won't grow. Yeah. But I shave every day.

Look at that shit won't grow. I shave every day. No, no, I ain't got no splotchy. That ain't got to do no feeling here. You got to walk around like a white man. All your shit shamed. like that. But I think the thing is, when Kat came on, though,

everybody that Kat was really talking about had already been on the show. Yeah. Ricky, said, Steve. And the thing is what said, I asked it. I said, said, Rick, uh, Kat said, you stole one of his jokes.

Said, said, well, Shannon, if you take the timeline, it don't really, it don't add up. He was talking about, I think he said, about a spaceship and so forth and so on. So here come cat again. I was like, hey, I don't know. But I ain't heard that joke. You know, Joe.

You're in the comedy club. So you know people, Joe. Yeah, but you know what? Just looking at what he was doing, the shit went and turned the check into it. Went out on the road. Yeah. And went out there,

and people came to see him off of what he said on this show. Yeah. That was his hustle. So that's what it was. Yeah. Them niggins should have came back on here and roasted his ass.

That's right back. It said all kind of shit, but you know what I'm saying? Everybody's different. I don't think they're them type of dude. Right. You know what I'm saying? But he should have came on here and roasted him back. You mentioned that you knew, you had known Kat from the Bay Area.

So when you saw him on Friday after next, were you surprised that how well he played that role? No, man. You got, you got guys like me and Kat, certain guys in the business. You know, we come from a, you know, we can reach back and grab certain things that, first of all, me and him from the Midwest, he's from Cincinnati, I'm from Indiana, and, you know, we're coming from a different perspective when it come to acting and performing. But I wasn't surprised because I knew, you know, Kat been around some shit, he didn't seen some shit.

So, you know, when it, when it comes down to this acting thing and this comedy thing, if you don't have that background and that history, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, It's going to show up in your work. You know what I'm saying? It's going to limit you on your jokes. It's going to limit you on your creativity. So, no, that was a perfect role for Kat. And like I said, Kat is a great actor.

Right. You know, like myself. But, you know, personally, everybody has their own personal shit. And that's where it get a little rough for all of us as comedians, man. We are some crazy. Yeah, these motherfuckeringians. I tell everybody, man. We like, it's dark, you know, and I had to, I had to, whew, and just as a comedian, man, people don't understand the sacrifice for making a laugh in your personal life.

It's like you give up a lot. Because a lot of times that you're sad, you're making other people laugh, but you're really sad in your own personal life. All the time, all the time. That's, that's one of the hardest things about being a comedian. And they call it a tears of a clown, you know, because it's the real sacrifice of making someone laugh is that you got to be sad to make me laugh. You can't be happy and make me laugh. And if I see something that you're happy, it's kind of made up, you know, because we come

from dark places, man, to make people. I know I'm standing up there telling them my whole personal life and they're dying laughing. Right. And I got to go to a therapist and tell the bitch the same thing. You know what I'm saying? And she got to make it make sense for me before I go make them up laugh about it. So you got two therapy sessions. One what you're getting paid for and the other you're paying for. Come on. Two therapy sessions. One I'm paying for it and the other one I got to don't laugh. It's just real. But you know what? But I had Ms. Pat on and Ms. Pat said although a lot of comedians do come from a dark, everybody doesn't have.

have that same type of a past they don't everybody don't have the same past i got a hell of a i got a dark past you know what i'm saying my past is dark i come from dark shit family uh personal life all of that shit so you know i consider myself a hero every day because of the shit that i what you've overcome huh hell yeah that i know that i ain't even supposed to be sitting here period I'm supposed to be dead in jail, strung out on dope, fell at this shit, you know. But I guess God had a better plan for me, you know. And I think that's because he knew I'm going to do the right thing with my shit now that I'm at this age. I use my power to do the right shit, you know.

When did you, was Friday the first time you've ever met Q? Yeah. So how did he get the call? Okay, you, hey, obviously the first Friday was Chris Tucker. So now Tuck's not coming back, so he's going to have to move this franchise in a different direction. Yeah. So he needs, he, uh, smoking was his homeboy, now he need another homeboy, day, day.

That's going to be, that's going to be obviously probably three, four hundred people read for that part. Yeah. You get the part. So, so what is Q, when Q, when Q tells you to come in and you read for the part, did he tell you anything? So how did you create this character, Day Day. Well, at the time that the first movie that I did when I got to L.A. was Three Strikes.

It was a movie called Three Strikes with DJ Pooh. I met Poole. He said, damn, boy, I wish I would have used you as the main role, even though my man, Brian Hooks did a great job. He said, damn, boy, I would have used it as great. I said, I know, man. So I did a small part in that movie. But my manager, who's still my manager, his name is Niles Kersner, when I first moved to L.A., and this is some funny shit, when I lived in New York, Red Grant. Yeah.

Your partner. Yeah. Red Grant used to come to New York and sleep on my floor. When I moved L.A., I rode a bus from New York to L.A. That'd probably take you a week. Seven days, yeah. Took me seven days. Because they stopped everywhere.

You did it before? It took me like six and a half hours to get from Glitville to Columbia, South Carolina. That's crazy, right? I said, God. Yeah, they stopped everywhere. Yeah. So I took the bus out there, man, and Red Grant said, man, I got an apartment over here off of Venice, man. You can come stay on my floor.

I said, come on, Red. I'm going to stay on your flow. I'm sleeping on Red's floor, man. And I had a little partner man named Little Marcus, Baby Looney. He was a straight gang member, straight gang member. But he was so nice to me and cool. I never seen that part of it. They said he was a straight hitter, right?

He was telling people he was my manager. So he'd take me up there to the comedy club. We at the comedy club. My man Niles, who's my manager now, he was a manager at Jamie Fox's management company. Okay. which was Marcus King and his wife and that's who I was signed with Mark Niles went to school with Matt Alvarez who was the producer of next Friday okay he said man we got to get Mike up here to do an audition I went up there audition and when I came off the stage man my man

baby Looney said Mike Ice Cube want to holler at you and when I turned around man I seen Ice Cube and John Singleton standing there and almost peed on myself I said damn And he said, can you act? I said, hell yeah. And he started putting me on the auditions. I start auditioning for it. Every time I show up, I see a lot of comedians audition for it. Now, don't forget, everybody's

trying to audition for this role that Chris Tucker didn't want to do no more. Right. Which was next Friday. Correct. I mean, was the first Friday. So this role was really hot in Hollywood. And I'm performing and auditioning, a bunch of

comedians that I know was auditioning for it. Every time I auditioned for, When I'm done, he'd look at me and go like this. So I'm like, okay, I got this. So I'm thinking in my head, okay, I got it. Yeah, I got this. Make a long story short, unfortunately, my little homie that was bringing me to the auditions, man, little baby Looney, he got killed.

Get murdered up on, yeah, got murdered up on Sunset, man. I'm talking about a beautiful young brother, man, but was in the streets. Wasn't no joke. Good little guy, right? Gets killed. The day that I went to his funeral, I left his friend. funeral and took my funeral clothes off and put my regular clothes on and went in that audition and got that role man and that day that I pulled up I seen Marlon Wayne's all kind of

I was like oh I thought I had it because he kept looking at me going like this yeah you're doing good man I pull up I see all kind of out there with the past I said oh I ain't going to get this shit man I went in there and got that role and when I seen his wife Miss Jackson laughing I said oh man I think I got this role, man. You know, and I got that role. I called my mom. I said, what you want? She said, get me a walk.

Buy me a wash and drive. I said, I'm going to buy your house. She said, no, you're going to my Social Security up. Because I get 700 a month. I get 700 in a month. You're going to fuck my Social Security. Hey, you ain't been the best of their Social Security. No, don't know.

Yeah, no, $7,000 to money. Okay, but what did you do? What is it about Q? that he loves comedians, Chris Tucker, you, he had John Witherspoon, he had D.C. Curry, he had Bernie Mac.

He had all those guys he had, he had, he wrested to AJ Jackson. All Jamie Fox, what is it about Q? With comedians. And comedians.

In his movies. I don't think he's never had, I don't think Cube has ever been, really been in a movie. Obviously, you know, the triple X stuff. No, he did. Yeah, he did a few.

Yeah, but I get what you're saying. Johnson Family Vacation and all that other stuff. Let me say this about Q. As long as I've been a, and I've been a fan of Ice Cube since 1989, NWA. Yeah, NWA. He's always had, if you listen to his music, always had a comedic, a comedic sense to his music.

Once Upon the Time and the Projects, you know, I mean, on and on and on. And I think that he's a comedian in his own right, you know. So he knows how to work with comedians. He knows how to be the straight man He knows how to be that guy That is That a playoff of you And let you get your shit off

Yeah Like he did for me and cat And all the rest of us Everybody to Cube touch On a comedic side Goad Now on the other hand You have to have it

To bring it too You know I tell people all the time Man Cube put me on I put the movie on too I made that character You did The franchise of a movie too Right

So it takes both moving parts to make the shit work. Yeah, I mean, now that you think about it, and you look at all the comedians that you say, there are a lot of comedians, obviously, that were reading for the part. Yeah. I don't know if they could have played day day like you. No.

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You know, Cube always used to tell me, um, it's a marathon that was one of one of the things that stuck to me he said man this is a this is not a race this is a marathon

because I think he caught on when I was younger like this dude want it now right this dude want to make it now this dude you do realize that a marathon is a race

you mean to say it's a sprint you know what I'm talking about yeah yeah yeah yeah it's not a sprint it's a marathon y'all get what you're saying yeah yeah

I knew you was going to get me on here do a Sesame Street thing with the nigger, man. Hey, look, the man said, take your time, do it right, so that you could be here for a long time. And I took that advice, you know. And to this day, I think Chris Tucker is mad at me because I did the next Friday.

To this day, I said, that was my personal right. Okay, the reports are that he didn't want to do cursing. and he didn't want to be smoking weed. Well, I heard through the grapevine and he said they should have left it alone. Huh? That they f***ed it up by keep doing it. It's too much money to be made.

Well, you know. You could say that same thing about the Godfather. They should have left it long, but they had two and three. That was it, that was, he did such a great job. I could see him saying that, but I don't think anybody, I don't. But my mama needed to wash it drive.

But I think what was I supposed to do? Mike, I think the thing is, I loved the way what Q, the pivot he did. Nobody could have played Smoky. Nobody could play Smoky. He had to do a whole different character, a whole different way of doing it.

No, nobody could have played it. And see, that's what I thought I was about to come and go and play Smoky. But I fooled him. And I'll never forget the first day I did that when I was on the set and they said, action.

And when they said, cut, I'm not bullshit, and John Witherspones were sitting down looking at me like this. And the B. The set was silent. It was quiet because they was waiting on me to bring it. They like, nigger, you better bring this shit.

And I was nervous. I went up here and told Cube. I said, man, they ain't laughing. You know what Cube said? It ain't time for him to laugh. I said, okay. He said, I'll let you know when it's time to go there. Yeah.

Go there. By the time it was time for me to go there and I came down and said, say, why y'all let the fat shit jump on me? Y'all just, it was over with. They was laughing. And I said, I'm gone now. You know, and that, you know, so that was, that was, that was pretty much the layout, Shannon, you know. But, you know, as great as Cube has been to a lot of people, a lot of people complain about the pay.

Yeah. That Cube don't pay as actors and Cube don't do this. After all this, all that, what that man has done, we got to get a man as flowers. Because he's putting, he's put so many people on, Neil Long was in the movie. Yeah. Well, see, his pay is different. And if you want to ask somebody, if you want to compare to what somebody gave you for one movie

and it was your breakout movie or your first movie, you, you, you, you, you, yeah, you ain't in no $300 million budget movie. You ain't in that yet. And so, so I hear people talk about he don't pay a lie, but every that did his movie took off and went and got paying. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yes, absolutely.

I know what you're saying. I didn't get paid. I got a decent pay. Yeah. But the money that I made from being in the movie was... Now you're in your stand-up. Now you're hotter in your stand-up. Now I'm hotter in my stand-up.

Now instead of doing, you know, not there anything wrong with a 200-sweet. Now you're doing 500. Now you're doing $1,000. Now you're doing $2,500. Yeah. They come to say, hey, man, hey, day they're part in the mug. Now you're getting your money. And see, they got to look at it.

You have to, in this business here, as an actor, as a comedian, when you first starting all, because everybody got to start so. where you have to plant a seed for the flower to grow. You're not going to get an instant. Well, some of these dudes is getting instant flowers, but the fly part is going to pop in a minute.

It's going to break. And your ass going to melt down back into the soil. Because it ain't a seed. It was sitting in the pot. There is a report that there is a last Friday. It's a last Friday.

I just said with me, Ice Cube, Aaron McGruiter, and DJ Pooh just sat in a room, and we've been writing it. Right. So it's, it's going to be off the hook. So what can we expect to 27, 28? Hopefully 26.

Hopefully we'll come out. 26? Yeah, probably 27. Yeah. Damn, you know this shit more than me. So, I mean, is it bittersweet? Because you've been at this thing. It's two decades that you've been at the Friday, at the Friday franchise,

and knowing that it's coming to an end. Well, you know, it might not come to an end. We thought the second one was the end last one. We thought the third one was the last one. But Ice Cube has the ability to keep creating. That's going to squeeze the juice out of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That little thing ain't going to have no juice left in it.

In Friday after next, man, how did you come up with that? You cuss them old ladies out. Them ladies come out of that with the family. And you say, y'all sell it, y'all selling it in the name out here selling the name of the Lord. That's the thing about film and knowing somebody's going to do something, you know what the reaction is. But if you don't know what I'm going to say, when I walk up to you, it's going to throw you off. I got a real response out of them ladies. It really shocked them.

Yeah. But them is being, knowing that they're in a movie, they couldn't break. So they just went on with it. That shit was real. They didn't know what I was going to say. I just walked up to them and said, why y'all are using Godself pussy on that lady? old lady saw oh my that's how she was looking but they just kept going right they kept you know they stayed in it man so how much how much freedom does cube give you to ad lia

oh man that's that's what he do i'm i i remember i went in the script i mean i was sitting in the in the trailer with him and he just took the script i made it through the brother i said what the he said come on let's go you know but but but you know the script is the guideline and we have to say certain words to lead us to the next scene so it's certain shit that has to be said and it's certain shit that he's like okay this scene right here

do what you want you know go ahead and there and you know and if he had to pull me back he'll pull me back should we expect some up and coming comedians in the last Friday yeah I mean like I tell all the comedians

a lot of people have been hollering me about that movie I said Cube is he gonna make you audition he ain't just handed out no part because sometimes like Leo Leo ain't got to read for no part Denzel ain't reading for no part Samuel Jackson not reading for no part

there's some people that I'm not reading for a part you're not reading for a part you're going to read for this part even though you don't me I'm part of the franchise but these new guys I'm pretty sure

I respect him for doing that because the only way you'll see it is if you see it like I can guess all the way and try to pair a person up with a character in a script. But to see it is to believe it, you know. So I agree with that. Right.

Do you think Chris Tucker have regrets about not returning the Friday? Seeing how successful that it was? Because in the beginning, they said, well, he wanted this much money. And, well, then you heard earlier people say, well, it was about his religion and he didn't want to smoke weed. He didn't want to do all that currency. He didn't want to do it all that drinking. But then I guess, you know, when what was that? movie that he got with Jackie Chan, I mean, they came along and it's like, well,

well, he was the, he was the perfect example of, he might have been the that first started off saying the Cube didn't pay. Right. Because I remember he had a joke to say, man, that paid me a T-shirts and CDs. That was his joke that the nigger used to do on there. Right. And then, but what he did with that role was crazy. He went and did rush hours.

Rush hour money taught. So he went and got paid off the row. Do I think he regret being in it to some degree? Why would he regret it? It put him on the map. I mean, look what he did afterwards. Yes. I don't think he gets, do you think he gets Rushire if he's not in Friday?

No. I agree. I think Rushire got him, I think next Friday. I think Friday got him everything he was going to get. Would he have been a star outside of Friday? I think so. Yes. Yeah, because he was good.

Yes. He was good at what he did. But definitely the Friday. roll, put him where he was. It was crazy. And I'm glad that he didn't do it. Don't do another I was waiting on this city

he wasn't going to do rush out. I was going to say, he wasn't going to do a they got a light scared nigger to do all these rows this dark nigga won't do. Did you feel pressure? Because even though that was a different character, you were a comedian. Replacing a comedian in the franchise

of Friday. Did you feel pressure? No. I didn't feel no pressure because of where I came from, how hard I worked. You got to think about it, Shannon. I've worked. I lived in New York for 10 years, man, doing $50 rooms, $25 rooms. Damn. Yeah, not making no money, man.

You know what I'm saying? So that's true, like, hey, uh, uh, uh, not making no money. We had Roy Wood Jr. on. He's like, hey, sometime, man, all they pay you in buffalo wings and drinks. Yeah, well, I don't know where that nigga was performing. I always got a couple dollars for performing. $20, $20? At least some gas money.

I just, I just, right, boy, what the f*** was you performing that one, a guy, you some chicken wings, nigga, nigga. You parlay Friday out the next to All About the Benjamin. Yeah, all about the Benjamin's. That was a script. Me and a partner, me, TC, my partner, T.C., we found the script, took a to a guy named Ron Lane. Ron Lane wrote it, took it to Ice Cube,

rewrote it, and we shot the movie. So at least the second movie, I brought it to Ice Cube. Right. You know what I mean? He put me in one, and I brought him one. Yeah.

And that movie was incredible, too. It was. It was. But you said that was like, you had a lot going on during all about the bench. We had a lot going on in your personal life,

your private life. Yeah. How were you able to, because as a professional athlete, we have to compartmentalize. I got to play the game. Whatever I got going on at home, whatever I got going on, the game is the most. So I'm going to focus here.

Now, once I'm done with the game, I can decompress and I can deal with whatever I got going on outside of the game. How are you able to compartmentalize? Focus on it. I got to do this read. I got to get through this movie. But I got all, I got chaos in my life. Yeah, well, you know, first of all, the next Friday movie, It did something to me.

It fucked me up. I couldn't believe I was famous. I couldn't believe I made it. It really did a mind trick on me. And not only that, I was so upset that I left so many. It felt like I left my whole family and all my friends. Because I'd never forget one day I went back home and I was looking for everybody to be like, ah. Yeah.

And wasn't nobody like that. You might get them, though. That shit, that shit fucked me up. That shit fucking me up. And I'm the type of person that, you know, since I didn't get the love, you know, I started getting high. I started getting, start doing coke, start snarting cocaine. That was your first time. That's what that was down?

No, I was doing that shit when I was 14, but I had revisited it. Damn. Yeah. The first time I did it, I was 14, but I revisited as an adult. And I started getting high because I had, I really had Survivors' remorse. I swear to God, I was so hurt that I left so many people back in my hometown, my friends, because I was really out here by myself, you know. But what were they going to do?

It wasn't, like, they could act, they couldn't sing, they couldn't dance, so why are you having, you make it seem like they actually could do something and you didn't help them. They couldn't do, they couldn't do what you did, Mike. And they couldn't do what I did. And then I had pressure me on to bringing money back home to buy a kilo cocaine, all kind of shit. Damn, Escobar. Yeah, because you got to think about it. I came from the street.

Yes. I came straight out of jail and started doing comedy. I was in the street and I wasn't successful at it, you know. And that shit followed me, man, you know. I mean, for a long time I would come back home, man. It was it was niggas still talking about. I owe the money and I'm like shit I can't pay no old as

20 year old debt with you with no money and I you know I tried to buy my friends I tried to buy my family I couldn't buy none of them they the ones that were naturally jealous of me they was just it wasn't nothing I could do to them

I was get I one time I swear to God I gave my friends my one of my buddies some money and that took that shit and threw it out the window huh oh hello yeah Why? Why? It wasn't enough?

Well, you know, I think it was just, it was just, I think people's perception of what they thought I had, I didn't have it. You know, I didn't have what motherfuckers. They thought you was Eddie Murphy all of a sudden. Hell yeah. I'm like, niggins shit, I'm one joke away from being right back here with you, standing on the block. But why is it, why is it that when I can just speak to our community? I'm black, you black, so we can speak on a level that we understand. Why is it that when we leave, everybody feel like we owe them something?

Because we all came from a, we all came from a crab in the burrow syndrome. We all came from crab in the burrow. If you watch crabs in the burrow, that's what they do. They, if one of them get out, another one, I grab his crab and pull them. That's why they call it crab in the burrow. You know, I think that shit is a derivative from slavery. You know, we all, you know, that shit started. And I tell brothers this all the time, man, we're still on the plantation.

You know, we just got clothes. We got more money and stuff like that. But if you think about back of slavery, that shit was real. If you seen a brother standing up there with an outfit on in Massa's house, you know, you was like. You had light skin, you worked inside. Yeah. How can I get in? How can I get it?

How can I get down? Mm-hmm. How can I be a part of this? You know, so that shit is, that shit is real prevalent. It's still right now. It's still right now. And that's what these dudes, that's what these dudes don't realize. It's like, you know, if, if, if one brother makes it in this business, he don't understand that he's the guy that they use to, to, to.

to to make all the other brothers rise to the top he's he's he's he's the guy he's the center guy you know he's the he's the template of what we are they all compare us like that i was sitting on the plane with a and it blew my mind but the shit is real i was sitting on the plane with an older white lady and people were speaking to say she said who are you i said Chris brown and she believed that shit she said oh i can't believe i'm sitting there with you I'm serious. I said, yeah, Chris Brown is late. And then something must have hit.

She said, you've gotten a lot older. I said, yeah. I said, I said, I said, Rihanna and then wore me out. They drove me crap. That's the talking shit, right? And then she must have called her daughter on the phone. She called her daughter because the lady, I seen the lady, she started looking at me like this.

You ain't Chris Brown. Yeah, you ain't no Chris Brown. And, uh, but it didn't make me mad because I was the first thing I said myself, we're sitting on Southwest, Heffa. You should know that I ain't no damn Chris Brown. Right. That's just, she didn't know who I was. She probably didn't know who damn Chris Brown

was. She did. Probably. She probably knew the name, but I don't know. 55-year-old nigger would snowser color gray in his chin. When you did all about the Benjamin's, those lines, 15, 30, 35, 15. 15.

Yeah, them jump joints right there. You came up, that was ad liable. Yeah, I was high right then. Damn! Oh, yeah. How do you show up to work high? Like now. No, I was just bullshit.

No, no, you know what? Man, I was 20-some years old. Please, I could do everything at that age. You know, my comedic time. I don't care what position I'm in. I am able to still tell jokes. You can wake me out of my sleep, and I'm going to crack a joke.

That was my calling. This is my only talent that I've ever been able to... To harness. That's right. I tried all kinds of shit, Janet. I tried to go to the military. They wouldn't let me in there because I flunked the test.

Well, that's probably why. Yeah. But military to take anybody. Damn, how bad are you at school? You're right. And the military ain't really turning out nobody. They're looking for a few good people to die. Damn, you couldn't.

They're so bad. They didn't want you. You couldn't even die. Damn, Mike. Oh, stop. I was just like all the rest of these niggins, right? It's all kind of can't read it in other friends. You weren't no scholars, Shannon.

No, no, no, no, no. They probably let your ass get through the lady. No, but I was about to take the test. I was about to go to the Air Force. Did you have good grades in college? Yeah, I got good. grades in college. I didn't have no good grades in high school because I didn't apply myself. I was full of, you know. So how did you get to college? You know, back then, I was, my first year.

Your talent. No, no. Prop 48 hit in 1986, which means if you didn't score 700 on the SAT, you couldn't go D1. You had to go D2, HBCU. So that's why I ended up going to an HBCU. Yeah, that's why you went to Savannah State. Yes, yes. You were too good to be there. You're supposed to been in Notre Dame. Georgia, Texas, somewhere like that. But you know what? It's the best. thing to happen. Why? Because I sincerely believe I went to a university where you could get off. They cared about me. How did the NFL find you in that little school? When you're good, they find you. The numbers, huh? And I think the thing is, Mike, is that you don't think your brother you don't think your brother put a little right on you? Because guess what? He couldn't catch no passes for me. Now, obviously, there's like he has a brother. Okay, let's go see what he's like.

Yeah, come on now Don't take nothing for Sterling No, no, no, no, no. They're going to say, yeah, he has a brother Well, why is he at Savannah State then? If he's that good, why is he at Savannah State? His brother's at the University of South Carolina Then they see me play, okay, he's big,

it's fast, okay, raw. They got the tape on you. And the thing is is that obviously we don't have a wide receiver coach, a tight-in coach, a running back coach, an old line coach, this coach. We ain't got 50s. 15 coaches on offense and 15 on defenses.

So they look at men like, okay, he's wrong. But with some coaching, we think we can find something for him to do in the NFL. He's big, he's fast, he's strong. So when you came in the NFL, they wasn't checking for you like that. You had to earn it. Oh, you got to get it. Because you got to realize, though, Mike, I went to an HBCU where HBCU weren't cool. You see everybody how they hype up HBCU now?

It wasn't no ESPN wasn't coming to no agents. So they were looking at you like you weren't shit. Yeah, man. They was, oh, you went to a college in a strip mall. People were making jokes about it. Yeah, they're making jokes. Now it's a big thing going to an HBCU. A strip mall.

Damn. Hold on. Was Little Kim supposed to be in All About the Benjamin? She auditioned for it. Damn. You were going to be your wife or your girlfriend or something? She was going to be, if you watch all about this, I think she was going to be Q's girlfriend.

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radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Liberty Mutual Insurance. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty. From a person in the movie world than she was in the music world. Really? Yeah, man. When she was on the set, she was really, really calm, she was really cool, and she was

really serious. Right. And what threw me off with that, I was like, damn, this ain't the Whitney, everybody be saying. Right. Because I think in the film world, she was, because she was a great actress. she was an incredible actress she wasn't just a good singer

she was a performer and she just has some great energy on the movie set is that you get that a lot like you get on the set you have this expectations of someone and what you've heard or what you've kind of experienced

with them not on set and then you get on the set and they're totally different than what you thought they would be totally different people man and I didn't have some good experiences and bad experience really I mean you know

sometimes, I mean, they always, they got a saying that sometimes you don't want to meet your heroes, you know, because they're not going to be who you think they are. And that's a true statement, you know, everybody is not who they portray they are in show business, you know? Some people are different people, you know, you meet them and you're like, damn, what an asshole. That's why I'm always cool. I try to be cool with people when I meet them and see them, because I heard all these stories before I got in the show business. You know, I'm pretty sure you did too. Yeah. Well, people always ask me what such and such like.

I was like, I just know what they're like around me. Right. I can't speak to what they, if they see you or if they see somebody else, I can just tell you what, how they treat me. And people are like, well, oh, I thought, well, I don't, I mean, what you want me. I mean, I can't tell you somebody that I haven't been around what they're like. I can just tell you how they interact when I'm around them. Right. So you say she was really, really quiet.

Did she ever sing on said, did you? I mean, could she... I tell a story. One day I was on my way to the set, and I had to always walk past the trailers. And I was walking past the trailers, and I heard Whitney Houston sing a mic. She was playing Michael Jackson in the trailer.

And, man, it sounded like they was both in there singing together. It blew my mind. You know, she was in there singing. I'm like, damn. So it was... It was, that hurt it, man. That really hurt me because I had just met her. You know, I did a previous video with her and Bobby Brown years ago, but I didn't get to meet her.

This was the first time that I got to meet her. And, oh, man, she was such a beautiful person. Do you think somebody could be winning in a versus battle? Hell no. Hell no. I doubt it. Shit. But you was also in the set with Beyonce in fighting temptations.

I did a movie with Beyonce and fighting. I actually worked with Beyonce on the Apollo. When I first did Showtime at the Apollo, Destiny Child was on the show. Really? Yeah. Damn. And I seen them before they became who they were, man. Did you know they were going to become bad?

You know what? I was so nervous from doing that show. I didn't even pay attention to them. And then later on, I was like, damn, that's the girls. That's them. Yeah. On 125th. You look at Beyonce fighting temptations.

She was in, I think, Dreamgirls with Eddie Murphy. She was in the Austin Powers, one of the Austin Powers. Are you surprised she's not doing any more acting? And then she's kind of focused on a music career and raising a family? No, you know, the acting world is something you've got to want to do. Yeah. That's some shit that's... I think she feels that.

She scratched that itch and... Yeah, acting is... Acting is... It's different. It's some shit you've got to want to do. It's a different. in parlay. It's a different hustle. Sitting

in trailers and that shit is different, man. It is. I can just imagine. I can imagine doing a movie because I've been on commercials and the commercial is going to be 30 seconds and you're there a day or a half. You're there a day and a half, maybe even two days. So I can imagine a movie that's going to be 120

minutes or 150 minutes. I can just imagine. Yes, it's a process. It's different. And it's different than performing on stage. When you're on When you're performing on stage as a performer whether you're a comedian and actress

I mean or a singer you got control that's your shit yeah the acting you're sitting in the trailer waiting on them to literally call you and say

okay it's your turn yep five minutes five minutes 10 minutes sometimes you send a trailer and they come home

and tell you you can go home yep yep it's different it's a different hustle so you go we're going to rap for the day

what you mean rap for the day I've been here all a day We can finish this today. Welcome to the movie world. Someone that we had on the show that I know you're familiar with, Monique. Yeah. I love Moe.

I love Monique, too. She, Welcome Home, Roscoe, Jenkins, Three Strikes, Bessie. Yeah. People have this perception of Moe because of what they heard. Yeah. You've been around her in a more intimate setting, on set, been around a lot, probably been on tour with her. What's Mo like? Family.

You know what I'm saying? One of them cousins or one of the Maltese that don't bite her tongue. Nope. Gonna say how she feel. But sweet, man, there's Monique, good people, man. Me and Monique, we did a comedy festival up in Montreal called Just for Laughs. And I didn't have no ride back home. And Monique and her mother and her brother, I rode all the way back to the States with them.

Damn. Yeah. I rode all the way back to the States with them. She is a very motherly person. Yeah. Because off-camera, brother Shannon. Yeah. You know I'm praying for you.

Off camera, huh? Oh, brother Shannon, I'm praying for you. Yeah. Hey. But she's another one. See, that's what I'm saying. In this business right here, people cross people and paths. People do shit and little shit like, you know, like if we're sitting under a table, right?

Say this is the table We're at the dinner table And nobody can see me doing this to you And you just jump and say You kick my mama Now from everybody else They're like you're overreacted You're crazy

Yeah But that's what happens in this business Wow People People nudge people the wrong way And they pretend like ain't nothing happened And you're supposed to take it and deal with it Because it's me

Yeah I'm the one, it's me now. You want to work now. Yeah. You want to be around here. So don't even say nothing about what I did that might have offended you. So if you don't bring it to me, guess what? I'm going to go publicly and talk about every motherfucker body in the business.

And I think that, man, I'm telling you, that shit happens to everybody. You know, and if you don't address it to nobody, because what happens is when you get home and you're sitting around, you're like, you know what I'm saying? That's some bullshit. And you're really upset because you didn't check them right then. Right. So you go on a platform and just blast that.

Being in The Hangover. Yeah. I've always asked a lot of people. And some people are like, hey, an audience is an audience. A funny joke is a funny joke. Yeah. But have you, is there a difference between a black audience and a white audience? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Money. craft service shit you can see a whole bunch of differences shit no but but seriously

so let me so when you go on stage let's just say for the sake of argument you're in Harlem and you got 5,000 people and they're black yeah now you go to Oklahoma yeah and you got 5,000 are you got to

tell different jokes you do you do it's it's you actually have to tell a different joke every time you go in front of any audience. Really? Yeah.

Every audience is different. And black people celebrate different than white people. Yeah. And that's what throws a black comic off. Is that when white people laugh, they say, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Black people. See what I'm saying?

Niggas hit each other Yeah, that's us Yes So, but that's how we are That's how we are That's our makeup That's how we celebrate So that shit

I'll throw a comic Because it did me like this And I get off stay I'm like damn man I'm white people Ain't laughing at me Right They laugh different

They laugh different And that's the like Dave Chappelle and them They know how to do that shit Man Chappelle They know how to master That And see my whole thing

Well I don't think white people trust me 100%. I mean, your background, I mean, you did, you know, do some... But even if a bitch don't even know that, I guess they can see the arrest. Yeah, but you got a little beady eyes. Hey, but you know what?

That's the real truth. I said, guess what? Your success, it spans off of the trust, you know? And white people, they let me in their house. I ain't going to take nothing out of there. This time. Back in the day, I wouldn't.

Had all their VCRs and TVs up at the front. Because you know that's how things used to do. They break your house. They bring everything to the front of the door and then set it there. Go make a bologna sandwich in the people with us and out. You've been on sitcoms. One on network television, Uncle Buck. And now during the final season of the upshaws, I love the upshaws.

I love the upshall. Thank you, my favorite. Thanks, man. Creed should be tearing you a bit. Hilarious, right. Creed should be tearing you a bit. I ain't even hold you on that one. Is there a difference?

Do you have to, because like Netflix versus ABC, is there a difference in performing and how you do it on like a streaming platform versus a network television? Yeah, you know, the streaming platform, you're able to be yourself more. Okay. I've always looked at network television as a commercial. Okay. It's a commercial for you to show who you are and to do other things,

to ride in the parade on CBS and get other commercials and stuff. Because it's a commercial network. Right. You know, it's a sale network. So if you do a television show on one of these main networks, that's what you are. You're really doing a commercial. Right. I want to ask people this.

like when people get killed off, it was reported that you got killed off because you asked for a raid. Is that true? And which one? What was that? Survivors or more? Yes.

No, I didn't get killed because that was LeBron's show. I didn't get killed. I didn't get off the show because I got another show which was Uncle Buck on ABC. And I was a fifth lead on that show. I had to go for the

You got the Biggie Burry. Even though the show didn't go, but I still had to take the chance. That's why I wasn't on the show anymore. But what they'll do on a show is if you're not on it anymore, especially if you're black, they're going to kill your ass. Is that written into your contract that you got to let them kill you off? Can you just not show up no more? No, they're going to kill you without asking if you want to die or not. They're going to get rid of your ass.

The dude Michael Melley asked me that shit, the director, how do you want to die? I said, huh? We're killing you on the show, so let me know how you wanted to do. I said, oh, yeah, make it a car accident. Damn. You know, that's how they do. How did the upshaws come about? Because you got you and you got Wanda.

Wanda in there. My guy, Duck. Duck. Kim Fields. Yeah. Regina. You know, yeah, that's all I do is create, man. You spend a lot of time doing that, huh?

Yeah, that's all I do. Think of different scenarios, think of different television shows, movie ideas, and I take them. And when I write, I'm always writing casting at the same time. I'm writing with this person in mind. You know what I mean? So when it's time to pitch it, it matches. So I called Wanda. I said, man, I got a, first I called Wanda Sheen called me back.

I said, oh, this is some bullshit. You know, I start seeing all kind of crazy shit. You know how you say some crazy shit. Then she called back. I felt bad as hell. I said, oh, Wanda then went Hollywood on her. She didn't want to call me back. Yeah, I know she thinks I'm a deaf comedy jam.

Hello, Wanda. And I pitched her the idea, and she loved it, man. We went to Netflix, sold it. Went for six years. Wow. We in our final year, man. And it was great to do, man. It really was.

The kids got old on us. Yeah. You said something very interesting. You said you always got these ideal in your head and you're always riding. Can you sleep at night? Because it doesn't seem like you can turn your mind off. No, not at all. I've been having sleep apnea my whole life.

Because, you know, like I said, Shannon. You mean insomnia? Yeah, my insomnia, but... Sleep apnea is like you start breathing for in a minute of time. Yeah. Shut up, nigga, you know. Here we go with this shit right here, go again. I have sleep apnea also.

You know? I do. I have insomnia also the inability to sleep at night, you know. Which one I got? Insomnia. Sleep apnea is like you stop breathing for a period of time. Oh, no, nigga. I'm breathing.

At least I might not know it. Shit. I might have to watch somebody watch me sleep now. Yes. So, right? Yes. Somebody told you that shit, right? Well, I took the sleep test.

And I stopped breathing for up to like 90 seconds at a time, which is not good. So I got fitted they, I'm going to get the machine next week. Wow. I'm sitting there talking to a nigga that don't breathe. I've always had another kid. Even like when I'm just sitting around, my sister's always. Boy, breathe. I think that's just a human thing.

People hold their breath. I don't know it. But you can't hold your breath. You go meet your maker. You hold your breath at night because you're right. You're right. We're out of here. But I find that ironic.

People that are really creative. Yeah. And you're like you're constantly writing and you're constantly thinking it's hard. It's hard for me to turn my mind off. It is because you're thinking about the next move. You are. And you and you work. And don't forget, Shannon, from where we come from, from childhood,

we are always in survival mode. Yep. In our mind. Yep. That's crazy in it. It is. Even if you're successful. Bills paid, everything done, still surviving in your head.

You are. Still trying to not fall, still trying to win. I'm never, like, Shanna, you, I mean, you don't, because I don't, because that's the way we were brought up. Yeah. Surviving, trying to win. Shit. Of all the characters that you played, what's your favorite character? Um, I used to say all about the Benjamin's, but because I was so raw, but I played a, I played a role one time in a movie called, uh, Petey Green. And it had, it was me, Don Cheadle, Chew a Tale, and Taraji. And I played a guy in prison. And I love that role because it made, you are natural.

made me so honest, man. You know, some roles make you honest, man. I could feel it and smell it. I could touch it. I knew where I was. And it just did something for me creatively. But, yeah, that's one of the roles that I really enjoy doing. I'm looking at some of the people that you've been on set with, Don Cheeto, Martin Lawrence,

The Rock, Angela Bassett, Megan Good, Forrest Whitaker, Taraji, Danny Glover, Wanda Sykes. You mentioned Chewytale, Edgeap. wasn't like I could just imagine because I love Forrest Whitaker and the Godfather of Harlem. Man, I love Don Chito. Don Chito went to Denver Eads High School. I've known 20 plus years. So to see because that's not the element, that's not the world that you come from. And to see them in their world.

I remember doing a commercial with Martin Lawrence and he's like really quiet. And then as soon as they're like, okay, action. He turned it on. You ain't saying nothing for the last 10 minutes. Yeah. Not you? Yeah. That's the anatomy of an artist, man.

You know, we, I think to live with the art, to live with being funny all day, you know, you want to have a cut on and cut off switch. It should drive you crazy. Really? Oh yeah, yeah. Or you'll be one of them dudes that's running around and can't cut it off all day. Right. Do people, when they see you, do they want you to be funny all the time?

funny all the time tell you yeah they want me to be funny and sometimes i'm not i tell people sometimes all the time not all the time but for the most part i'm a nice guy but i do tell people get the fuck out my face what you're looking at when people just stare at me and they know it's me i'm like i'll just say what the fuck you're looking at because say it you say it asked me in my mic yeah are you like you know what i'll say you know the i'm like i am mike yep why would you just sit there when they do that. They might not be really sure. They don't know, Mike.

Man. It could be someone else. I'll be standing somewhere and the motherfucker's going to say, man, are you Mike Yep? And I'll just do that. I'll just say, no, I'm not Mike Gibbs. And they'll say, stop playing.

I'll say, well, motherfucker, stop asking me that. That shit bothers me right there. Why? Because it feels like they're playing with me. It's like, you know I'm Mike Gap's. I say, hey, Mike Apps. Can I have an article?

Don't sit there and just stare at me and do this shit because it made me do it back. I'll be looking the motherfuck like this. We both in the liquor store and looking at each other like this. Sometimes

say, oh, you Mike S? And I'll say, yeah, and they'll say something up. They'll say, no, you're not. No, they'll say, you look too old. It's like, it's like, you ask me that

to say something fucked up. Fuck you. What's the hardest thing to learn as an actor? The hardest thing to learn as an actor is your lines. Did you take acting classes or you just? Nope. I have went to the acting classes.

This shit didn't work. That shit felt like school again. I'm like, oh. Yeah, you know, you ain't do well in school, might? I ain't do good in school. I'm out of here. So I lived enough life to know how to act. Right.

You know what I mean? And I learned a long time ago as a kid, if somebody's watching you talk to somebody, that's the kid. camera so do you ever look at that person is watching you know no you keep talking like me and you talking and say man you know we ain't looking at camera yeah the camera over there you know what I'm saying right so that's to help me learn how to not look at the camera but I wouldn't say that I'm a list actor but I can you know hold your own that's all I can hold my own but

what they the opportunity is to show a person that yet you know what they ask you to do. Yeah. They're not asking you to be Oscar. They're asking you to be Mike Yups, which is funny, which is hilarious. Yeah. And to deliver a line on Q. Yeah.

That's it. But I want to show people that I can really get into it. So you want to take on more serious roles? Yeah. I've done a lot, though. I've done, I've done, I've done a death wish with Bruce Willis, accent. Bruce Willis, acts of violence. I've been in Vapaka with Forrest Whitaker.

I've been in a lot of serious roles, you know, as a comic and, you know. It's hard though when you... It's not a joke. Most comics you hear their name is in no actor lineups. Like when it's time to cast, they're not calling them. But they'll call me and, you know, I'll get at least a shot at it. Right. Yeah.

Have you ever been embarrassed? Have you ever forgot your life? Hell yeah. Damn, Mike. Hell yeah. All the time. All the time. It's not easy, you know?

Mike! Yeah. You got six months. They see you the script. They say, okay, Mike, you got the part. So before they start shooting, you got months to remember. Your mind can play a game on you right in the moment of acting. You can really like, your mind can freeze up where you can't remember what you.

You can't remember what you were supposed to say. Dead-ass suit. When I did The Hangover, John Goodman, they had a big-ass truck, a trailer with the trailer up, and they had a big-ass TV screen with his lines on it for him to remember. And in the middle of the scene, he'd be like, yeah, God damn it! He was doing that. He couldn't even remember that shit on the thing. Damn.

And that's John Goodman. We didn't seen him in a million movies. Yeah. But it just goes to show you that the way the brain works when you're trying to memorize them. The memory is, it can be tricky, you know. Man, I got new respect now when I see Danzell doing all that doing that training day. Oh, Denzel is one of the coldest ever, ever did it. Oh, for sure. But you could tell that he becomes the character so well that the words come.

Like nothing. Like him and Malcolm X, I still don't know how he didn't win the Oscar. They're cold in that shit. They're full of car on that one. Yeah. He did a good job on the training day too. Oh, training day. I liked him better than a hurricane.

Oh yeah, he was cold. Devil in blue dress, inside man. Yeah, he was cold. And he was, if you watched the movies, because I've studied the movies and I'm a big fan of his, still see Denzel the whole time. But the way he take on those characters. Robert McCuller equalizer. Oh, he just become him. become him.

Did you see, you ever see the movie Biko when he played Bantu, Steve and Biko? Uh-uh, I never seen that. Cole. He never seen that.

Yeah, see that. He's unbelievable. He's unbelievable. About what was going on in the part of South Africa. Yeah. This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted

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