Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Paul Pierce Part 2

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Description: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Paul Pierce, NBA legend and Finals MVP, joins Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for a raw and unforgettable conversation about his life, legacy, and lessons learned. Born and raised in Inglewood, California, Pierce opens up about growing up surrounded by basketball greatness, idolizing Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan, and using being overlooked as fuel to chase his dreams. From high school standout to Kansas Jayhawk, he recalls the early challenges that shaped his toughness and the mindset that would later define his career Pierce reflects on the night that nearly ended everything — when he was stabbed at a Boston nightclub — and how surviving that moment changed his perspective forever. He shares how it taught him gratitude, focus, and a new sense of pxurpose that carried him through the darkest stretches of his career. From there, “The Truth” details his rise with the Boston Celtics, the early rebuilding years, and how Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers trusted him to lead a struggling team. He talks about the franchise-changing trades that brought Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen to Boston, how that trio built chemistry overnight, and what it took to turn the Celtics into champions again. He calls Garnett the most intense player he’s ever shared the court with, explains the brotherhood and tension within that locker room, and opens up about the fallout with Ray Allen after his move to Miami. Pierce reflects on his greatest on-court battles — going head-to-head with LeBron James, trading shots with Kobe Bryant, and matching up against Dwyane Wade, Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, and Shaquille O’Neal. He breaks down the mindset, preparation, and pride it took to compete with some of the most dominant players in NBA history, explaining why Kobe’s intensity stood apart, why every duel with LeBron felt like a heavyweight fight, and how playing alongside and against Shaq showed him what true power and presence looked like on the court. He then shares thoughts on the modern era — from Steph Curry revolutionizing the game to Kevin Durant’s unmatched scoring ability, and how Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown are carrying the Celtics’ torch forward. Pierce also opens up about life after basketball, reflecting on his departure from ESPN, lessons learned, and what he’s discovered about himself since retirement. Finally, Paul Pierce speaks on legacy — how it’s not about stats or trophies, but about influence, resilience, and truth. From Inglewood to Boston, from surviving tragedy to raising banners, from doubters to destiny — Paul Pierce’s story is one of perseverance, redemption, and greatness earned the hard way.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you for coming back. Part 2 is underway. You said something very interesting. You said it takes more than one great player to win a championship. You see LeBron leave Cleveland and then go to Miami, team up with D. Wade, team up with Bosch. But still, it took a Badiere making shots. It took a Mike Miller making shots. It took a real check or making shots.

can you explain to people that that watch the game of basketball, love the game of basketball, why is it, why, and how it's so difficult to win a championship? Because you play, I mean, all the 82 games and, you know, a Tuesday night game, man, I don't feel like it, but somehow you got to summers it up to give it everything that you got. Why is it so difficult to win an NBA title? Because you have to be good and lucky. like there's going to be

an element of luck involved in every championship run in year and what I mean by that is health is a thing because if you think about it like Toronto is not beating

Golden State of KD is 100% healthy absolutely not right no and there's just certain things that happen along the route that is just like if Kauai misses that shot

that bounces off the 15 times it's going Yeah, it's just like a luck is a major factor. Right. And health. Like, if you're one of the elite, I always say to say, like, Paul, who's going to win the championship? So every year you've got about four or five teams that can win it. Can realistically win it. So I say, all right, whatever team is the healthiest at the end will win.

So, like, look at OKC's run. They win seven games with Denver. The kid strains his hamstring. What's this night? Gordon. Gordon. Gordon. Aaron Gordon.

I'm thinking like, man, they pushed him to seven. If he's healthy, it's going to be tough. And look at Indiana. Tyreece Halliburton. How lucky was he? Them shots. Boom. Like, there's an element in all of this.

I think he had like three-game winners. Three game winners that win his way. And then they go seven. They go seven in Indiana. But he turns his Achilles early in the game. So who you're right? Who knows? Like, does O KC beat a healthy Boston team?

Mm-hmm, right. You know? Who knows? So, I mean, it is what it is, and it's part of the game. So I always say that luck is an element. I feel like in 2010, if Perkins don't tear his ACL, we got somebody that we can put on Gasol to work, because Gasol went crazy on us in game seven.

Yes. And so I feel like, man, man, maybe they got lucky. Right. You know, so it's always something. You know, so I feel like those are the two. big reasons you win or you don't. Being around the game, following the game, you still study the game. Has there been a player ever been as criticized as LeBron James?

Never. Like, the pressure that was, like I told you earlier in this conversation. Because you said, when you were in the locker, you were in the All-Star game in Philly, and they said there's a 17-year-old kid that's in high school that can play in this game right now. That's the hype he was getting. under these conditions with the social media and to be able to live up to it like when you look at all the great athletes

all through time and you know people will say I don't like LeBron that's not true I'll have much respect for LeBron like LeBron. You know like LeBron is the reason I am who I am right you know like I became a better player playing against him and and what I will say

there's nobody in the history of the game that's been his hype that's lived up to it and surpassed it and had to carry so much weight

on his shoulders politically athletically and then be under the microscope to be a household citizen like he has no

blemishes he got no margin for error and he has no margin think about all our great athletes Ali had his you know Russell

went through his the magic went through Jordan had his thing with the gambling like every Floyd Mayweather had his issues with the jail, Tyson all the great great greats at the top went through something LeBron is 20 something years in

and I don't see no blemish that's incredible to me because I had to really sit back at it like damn you know Cobb dealt with his thing in Colorado got past that like he ain't what he deal with man man, he's been model citizen.

Like, even if there's some speculated rumors, it ain't naturally, whatever, whatever he deal with behind it, whatever, who cares? But to add to go through your career, how he's went through it, is incredible, man. I tell people all the time. I say, no matter what you thought he would be, he superseded it. He became that and more.

Ain't no way you thought. You was like, yeah, he's good. He's really good. But you ain't thought this man was going to be no four-time league. MVP, no four times finals MVP, would play this many years because people thought Kareem's record was going to be untouchable. Because

Biggs, because you know, Big after Kareem got, hey they went Kareem getting the rebound, pass it out, imagine, hold that thing up. All right, go on down. Go get the camp and throw it to him. He's a win guy. Guys ain't supposed to play that long, play that well. Pete, true, that ain't supposed to have

I don't care what anybody say. You're not supposed to play 23 years, 22 years, and play at the level. The man was an all-NBA selection. The man was 6th in MVP voting in year 22. And he's still regarded as a top 10 player. I'm just trying to think, like, if I was giving the nickname Truth, my rookie year, and I made one all-star game, I'll be getting killed.

Like, he had the nickname King from day one. Day one. And lived up to it. Yes. You know, think about nobody got their nickname. Only one they got their nickname early was magic. Yes. That's in high school.

Lived up to it. Yes. Like, who had a nickname as a rookie coming in and lived up to it? Like, we all got our nicknames. Like, Alan Iverson, the answer got his when he became the answer. And the ticket got him when he got that big contract. Right, he got a big contract. Like, the nicknames didn't come until you really did something.

Right. You know, he got us before he actually did something and lived up. right so that's crazy right there those battles that you had with lebron you say it helped shape who you became and you knew that you had to go through cleveland when he was on cleveland in order to get to where you wanted to go the destination you had to go through you had to go through the king well yeah i mean i'm not a top 75 player today if i don't have battles with him and having those type of game sevens right and and playoff moments against him i'm not a hall of famer if, you know, I don't do those things against him and Kobe.

So that's why I say, like, you know, me being able to put on that jacket, he was a big part of that. Right. You know, you got to go through some real battles with some real players to really get that kind of credibility. You know, yeah, I was an all-star player, but you got to have shining moments versus the best. You do.

You know, versus the best. And when you do that, then you get verified. Yeah. And so I needed him. And I think he needed me too. For sure. Like, because when I look at it, like, we was putting him out the playoffs. And that critical game six in Boston that he had, if he loses that game, that changes.

Oh, yeah. That changes. He's not thought of in the light that he's thought of now. That changes. After losing the way, losing and the fashion that they lost the previous year to Dallas and to come back and to lose in sixth game. And, yeah, but it was that game that now it re-invited, like, okay, now we see why people call him that. Now we see why 45 and 15, nobody expected that. Yeah, but, like, that was a game where he went to a hostile environment.

We went that game, we go back to the finals. Yes. So he went there, there, he had to have the mindset where people was like, he's not, he doesn't have the killer instinct. He's not clutch. It was all these things being said about him. He erased all that in that game. And then at that game seven, when they beat us in Miami. Because he had like 30, well, yeah, like 30, 40, probably that game, too.

So, like, when you start having games like that, it builds that, builds that in you now. So, like, when I start hitting game winners, I feel like I hit them all the time. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Hey, let's run his pen down. Let's run his flair to pee, let Pete come up off this thing. So now that aura in them, I felt like it grew going through Boston and having that type of game. Wow. you get to your first finals

unfortunately you got to play your hometown team you got a team that you grew up thinking about you saw magic with all those titles you saw Cap and Corrib and worthy all those you grew up you understand the tradition of the Los Angeles Lakers but you also understand the rivalry that is the Los Angeles Lakers

and the Boston Celtics so now like damn I wouldn't have it any other way Boston versus the Lakers but they got a mofo over there that wear that number he's 24 at the time I think he's 24 24. Like man

why could I get somebody else that's a little year to get me a first one? And Shannon you know this like to win is stressful It is It's like Because like people don't take into the account I'm not

I'm not talking to family members I'm not I'm like You're locked in I'm so locked in that it's putting stress on my my wife and kids because I don't want to sleep in the same room now because I want to be over here and now I lose a game

now I'm not talking to nobody like it's so stressful and it puts a strain on the people around you and that's the part that don't get talked about it. Like it's more than a game it is. You got that seven times see we're in the Super Bowl with one game

so my family's coming the kids are coming I go see them for like a 30 minutes that Thursday when they arrive after that my mom everybody said y'all not going to see your dad until after the game ain't nobody going to call me until after the game because I'm focused I don't need to hey go to sea world go to Disneyland go wherever y'all want to go hey it's on me

but don't call me unless it's an absolute emergency somebody going to the hospital I don't hear nothing just the rise and fall of the emotions it is bad all right we beat lebrine all right cool now we got a cold King Cole Mama like Man it's like You can't sleep Some night

Right You gotta figure out like You know You up washing tape You You're in the whole day This part they're talking You're in the hotel

They might People yelling outside the hotel Yeah Like pull the fire alarm You can't get No sleep at night It's all kind of things That can distract you

It's like That's like But I wouldn't have wanted No other way You know For me As a kid growing up in Englewood to play the Lakers,

a team that I grew up a fan of, and then now I'm a part of this history of Boston and L.A. Like, I couldn't ask it to be any other way. It was almost storybook. Like, damn, I'm really playing the Lakers in the finals?

Like, I'm going to be part of this forever. Forever. Let me ask you this. Because I've heard not just in basketball, but I've heard this in football too. I've heard guys, said that when they won a championship is not what they thought it

would be. Like, is this it? When you won the championship, was it everything that you thought it would be? Man, Shana, it was everything and more. I built my whole life around this. It's just like, I don't know who says stuff like that, but

like when I dedicate my life to this and for just this one moment, even if it was only for like that night or whatever, I can say this for the rest of, of my life, it was everything and more. I still feel it. When I go to Boston, it's cheers. When I look up and I see that banner,

it's not going nowhere. It's never. I'm a part of this. When I go to Paris Mill is on us. Like, it's everything and more than I thought it was going to be. Because I didn't know, I mean, the feeling is there, but when you, it's getting, it's constantly like you still feel it. It took, like, it's been 17 years.

since I won and it's still every time I'm in the city it still feel like yesterday. It still feels like we won it yesterday. It does. It does. Because to be a part of it, Denver,

I was the part of the first one the winner championship in Denver. Went back to back. I went to Baltimore. I was the first to win there. When you put and that's why I don't know how you felt

because I always, I like to ask athletes. They was like, man, when you lost, I said, man, it broke me. I say because I knew how I said things hurt when you put so much into it

when you put so much of your time your energy and effort into something and it doesn't work out it don't just have to be sports it can be a relationship it can be a business the more you put something the more you put into something

the more it hurt when it doesn't work man look here I still I lost to Jacksonville in 96 I still ain't got over there it been 30 years yeah I ain't got over 2010 game stuff man we up in the 4th quarter. Like, it's still

Because you know what you put into it. You know how many times you ran those dunes. You know how many times that you denied certain things just so you can be the best truth you could possibly be. And when it doesn't work, man, it's equivalent to a man being married 20 years and

divorcing. Yeah. You're like, damn, I'd invest it all it is. All this time. Time and energy and it didn't work out. That feeling is not a good feeling. It's not. Because you feel like you'll fail. Because what did I, what did I do? What could, because now, guess what I got to do?

I've got to play, replay it over and over. What could I have done differently? What should I have done differently? Man, if I had trained a little harder, if I'd have lifted a little bit more weight, maybe if I didn't go out that night, maybe if I'd have studied a little, I mean, all that is the same thing. Same thing.

It's crazy. It's crazy. I'll never let it go. You know, to this day, I never watched that game. That game 7 we lost I haven't watched that game You didn't watch that one y'all lost I didn't watch that

I don't need to see that I know what happened Right right You know always that you're I ain't watching that I don't even watching that I know what happened right like you said

But in that game man Hold on I'm just trying to figure out how you get wheeled off in a wheelchair p all right look so the diagnosis is a strained meniscus

that was the diagnosis the next day have you ever strained a meniscus I have. You know you can still play on that. Yeah. But it hurts. It still hurt.

You know, and I don't know. And then your knee is kind of loose. Yeah. It's really, yeah, yeah. You don't have real stability. I mean, maybe y'all can play on it. It's hard to play on that if you're football, play all that platinum cut that we got to do.

And so when it first happened, it was like a sharp pain. Yeah. So it was going down my leg, and I was just like, I ain't ever felt no sharp pain in my knee. Right. And so that's why I reacted the way I reacted, but I didn't know the severity of it. Right. I just felt the sharp pain.

And I knew it was something. So, like, doctors like, oh, hold on, hold on, oh, get away from them. You know what I mean? Like, dang. Pick them up, pick them up. Get the wheelchair. I didn't ask for no wheelchair.

I said, hey, hold on, get the wheelchair. You know, they just brought it out. And then they had cameras all on everything, all in the hallway and everything. So I was just like, man, when I got back to the back, I was like, all right, hold on, man. Let me stand up. Let me see how to put weight. I didn't put weight on and think about it because they carried me yeah and I sat down yeah

so let me see where it's that so I stood up I was like yeah it ain't bad I'm doing this and it's kind of loose right but it ain't it ain't I'm weight bearing and you know anything that's weight bearing you good yeah you know because you know all spraying ankle feel it's hard to put the weight on yeah you can any other injury that's in your your legs it's hard to put the weight on so once I put the weight on it. I was like, it ain't as bad. Let me give me a knee brace. It just feels like loose, like it's going to tear any second. Let me just stabilize it and let me see how I'll feel. And it's the finals. Right. I ain't ever been to the finals. And it's game one. And I don't know if I'm ever going to come back to the finals. If I'm ever coming back, I'm going back out there.

I was like, no, I said, man, I can put weight on it. I just ran out there. I was supposed to be on the thing. He was supposed to test it, right? Do all this other stuff just to make sure it wasn't nothing. I ran out of there. I was like, no, I'm good. Give me the knee brace. And I just ran out of there. So it wasn't for you to go to the bathroom? No, no.

I made a joke up on the halftime show. Man, cool. Why would I go to the bathroom in the biggest game of my life? Right. You know what I'm saying? I mean, if y'all has to go to the bathroom, but if y'all have to go to the bathroom, you didn't have it? I've never had to go to the bathroom during the game.

Never. Because we got to go, we go on the sideline. Yeah, but I ain't, like, I ain't never walked off bench to go to the bathroom. Really? Never. If I have to, it's going to be at halftime. No, you can't wait that. I ain't never left the bench to lose the bathroom. Ever. Ever. You end up with dropping 15 points in the third quarter shooting 70% from the field.

People like, man, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know a trooper really hurt. I love that. This is going to live forever. Hey, I love you. That's your Kurt Gibson moment. against the A's when he hit that whole run. That bleaning over, that stress y'all whole row. Yeah, I remember that. Oh, man.

You mentioned you win it the first year, and then you come back, you're back in the finals, and you're facing the same team. And it comes down to a game seller. Man, against the Mamba again. Man, that's tough, you know, because he's talking about we got to play the greatest

and he ain't going to just keep struggling, you feel like. But they was built and Kobe, his will and he didn't have the best game but he turned Paul Gasol into Powell Gasol. Right.

And now... Because y'all neutralized him. Yeah. It was Powell and then the round of chance metal piece. But did he hit that shot? When he hit that shot,

what went through your mind? You know what? I couldn't even be mad because I didn't, I didn't watch the game, but I know to play because it's, let's think about this. You got, Kobe Bryant is isoed on the left wing on Ray Allen, and this is a crucial possession. Right. So.

Because I think they're up one. They're up one. So if we get a stop. Yeah. We like, because Kobe's known for ice in the game right here. So I'm like, all right, let me help off of meta. Because that's Kobe. Yeah.

Like, let's not forget who this is. Like, we'll worry about him later. Right. So when Kobe drove, I stepped up to like, hell no, we can't let him beat us because he can beat us. Right. They're going to have to prove that these other guys can beat us. And when he hit the shot, it just proved that he had other guys that can beat us. Right.

So I couldn't even be mad, you know, that Ron, because he was struggling from three all series long. So I was just like, he had a late contested three, then hats off. Couldn't even be mad because I'm not, we can't let this dude. Yeah. Yes, anybody but Kobe. Anybody, because we know he can beat us. Because he's beating too many teams. So it was just like, damn.

And we had to lead most of the game. Yeah, you did. I think we led like 90% of the game. Right. Like, it was unreal. I can't even. You mentioned game seven. Is it fair that Doc receives criticism for the game sevens that he lost?

He's lost them to the Clippers. He lost, you guys had a three, two lead in that series. Because they went back. for both games and they won game six and game seven is it fair that doc received the criticisms that he received for losing game seven no coach in NBA history has lost more game seven really really nope oh wow remember they think they uh they lost the one that really is that when they had them bead hard and they lost i think it was a reason i think that and they lost to the hawks remember they lost to the hawks they lost of the hawks yeah when ben

when ben simmons wouldn't take that shot oh damn oh right right Right, underneath the mask. Yes, yes. And then they have another one, I think. Who did they lose to? They might have lost to the Celtics. Yeah, I said the Celtics. In a game seven.

Yeah, a couple years ago. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. But the thing is, like, I will say this about the NBA and it's different from football. Like, you can have a player carry you to a win. One player is good enough. Your best player to say, come on, guys.

I got this tonight. You know what I'm saying? You didn't see it too many times. I got this tonight. We didn't seen Dirk de Whiskey do it to the heat. Like, y'all get on my back. Right. And then when you get to the game seven, really coaching is out the window.

It's like they know all our plays. You know, the scout report. This comes down to your stars. Yes. All game seven comes down to your stars. And point blank, period. So it ain't, I can't put that on Doc. You know, I could put the 3-1

blown series leads on Doc when he, you know, he's been up 3-1, I think he's blown like two or three series like that. Yeah, well, Clippers, and it's just the nugget. He had that with the magic against the pistons. Yep. Tracea McGregory, Tracy McGrady.

I remember that because Tracy was like, Tracy was like, yeah, I don't know what it's like to go to the second round. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I never forget that. That's on the coach and the player then. But, like, game seven is on your best players, truthfully. They got to step up and bring you home. We need some clarification.

The Ray Allen, Ray decides to go to the heat. Right. You, KG, Rondo, are you got, are you upset that he left, or are you upset? Part of you might be upset that he left. But did it have more to do with where he left and went to? Absolutely. It was absolutely where he went. You got to understand, we've been batted on a LeBron for the last four or five years.

Yeah. So now, they're our rival. Like, the heat on our rival, it's LeBron. He's our rival. You know what I'm saying? So, like, dude, we just played them in the playoffs a year ago. Like, you can't go play with them. So you don't want him to go help him help him get a championship.

Yeah, no, that ain't how this work. No, I would have been better off him going to the Lakers And that's our biggest ride Damn! I would have been cooler with him doing that. So you, so Ray, I would say, you know what, hey, man, look here, I'm leaving, you know, blah, blah, blah. I'm going to lay. I'm going to join Kobe.

You cool with that? If we had that conversation and it was like a conversation, I think the biggest issue, Shannon, was we didn't have no conversation with him. Listen, we, and I tell this story all the time, We was a brotherhood. When you win and, you know, our wives are friends and our kids are friends, we're doing family stuff, Halloween, that you're giving. And for you to abruptly leave without a conversation, like, hey, I'm thinking about, you know, doing this. We built something here.

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And me and I had that conversation. I was like, damn, we couldn't even get a phone call or nothing. Like, is it something we could have done? Like, we could have maybe talked to Doc. If the contract wasn't to your liking or. or whatnot. You didn't like your role on the team. Like something.

Like, what is it? You know, maybe we can help. But, like, to just, like, get up, lead a house. Don't tell us where you're going. Then we see where you're at. You know, mama didn't like that. You know, I couldn't do that. Rumor had it that Ray was looking for homes when he...

Wow, during the Miami series the year before. Like, before... Is that true? No, this was the rumor. that we were playing Miami in the playoffs the year before. Right. While we was down there, he was already looking at houses. I mean, Miami is nice, me.

Like, you can't be in a little of the series. You already checked out. No, no, I ain't checked out, but you know, Mama would live in Miami. Nah. The weather is nice. I don't want to live in Boston year round. You are already in this series. Like, there's some bullshit.

I'm coming to play for them next year who we're battling. You think he was upset with his role? I think he was upset with his role and then went to Miami and got the same row if Ray stayed we could have won too I feel like you feel at that point in time if Ray comes back y'all

y'all are equipped to deal with LeBron yeah yeah you understand we went back to the Eastern Conference finals yeah two years like we went to the finals 2010 but then we played them again in the conference finals like two or three years later

in Miami. Yeah. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. So we was we was equipped for a few more years if he stayed. Right. So that's, I mean, that's what I'm going on. It's funny how you guys used to handle disagreements in Boston. It reported that there was a disagreement between Ray Allen and Rondo. For sure. And you brought boxing gloves.

Yep. And y'all said, okay, settle it. Man, we was having a lot of tension at the time in the locker room and it was like little cliques. You know how their teams be. You're clicking up. You're clicking it up. And, you know, we was in a situation.

Our team was built. Old, young. The young guys kicked it. The old guy kicked it. So we felt they've old, the young guys was like, y'all don't mess with us no more. You know what I'm saying? Because something happened, Shan.

Like, something happened, man. We was on the road one day and something got back to the wifey's. Who pillow talking? Man, it was some pillow talk going on to where it was messing with the locker room. Oh, for show. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? And it came from the young guys. So the old heads, we was like, man, we got to just move like this now. You know what I'm saying?

We have to move different now. And they're like, man, we don't mess. Y'all don't mess with the young dudes. And then, no, y'all are talking. Y'all pill are talking. Yeah. And so then KG got into it with Perk. Rondo got into a rail or something. It was just like a division there. Right. So it was just too much going on. It was just like, man. Man, all right, we're going to get your issue off. I brought these gloves. I had an issue at the time.

We had another dude in our team late, Patrick O'Brien, so I started off first. I said, all right, we're going to get our issue off. Let's put these gloves on because I got an issue with you. Damn. We put the gloves on, right. So no, no, no, no. We're going to go three minutes.

Move on a moment. So then next. So then we didn't know that Big Baby had an issue with Tony Allen. So now Big Baby and Tony Allen. They get their age. they get their issue. All right, who next? Rondo, I want him. Me and Wright.

Damn, he's all right. I want him. Come on. Let's get it all. And when I tell you, I was right there, man, you remember, you just watched that fight, Canelo Buck. Canelo and Bud. Remember that ninth round how Bud came out?

Yeah. Ninth round. Frondo came out like that with conviction. He wanted the team. Like, he missed all of. of them. Yeah. But he would try to tear red head off. If he had to connect it on one of them, bro, man, oh, man. I'm glad he didn't connect on one of them

because he was swinging with some conviction. I'm talking about it wasn't no jabs. He wasn't going to have a haymaker. Man, it wasn't no jabs. So Rhonda was throwing one hit or quitter. Whoa. And I was just like, damn, okay. You got that? We got to break this up. We got to break this up. If somebody connect, this is going to get out of control. So we broke it up.

But, yeah, they had a little issue. And, you know, I don't know. Did they men once they got past that? So was it better after that or they still had friction? No, it was friction still. You know. Because the report was, is that Ray wanted Chris Paul. Oh, I don't know that.

Oh, maybe so. It was like, yeah, and I think it got back to Rondo. Yes. That's one of them. But it was a lot of other stuff I believe that Ray was doing. Because I think, you know, Ray would often go to Doc and be like, you know, Rondo not. Give me to rock. Give me the rock.

Right. And I used to be like, right, you just go to Rondo. Yeah, because I used to be like Rondo, run that. Like, come on, dog. Like, come on, dog. Hey, we got to, like, come on, man. Don't go to, to go to him. Because you don't feel you snitching on him.

Yeah, like, go to him. Yeah. Because I just go right to Rondo sitting right here. Like, Rondo, come on, man. What are we doing out here? Right. You know what I'm saying? That was like, all right, P, I got you.

All right, cool. But see, Ray's personality is not like yours. See, Ray not confrontational. Ray going to go to the coach. Hey, coach handled that. But see, Rondo going to realize where it's coming from. Yeah, yeah.

But Ray is not as controversial, but he's political. Yeah. So you can politically talk to Rondo. Like, you can use them words to where you understand. Like, me and Rondo might have a, shouting match, but we're going to get over it. You're going to talk better to him than me and him.

Like, yours's going to come off different. We're going to shout it out, and then we're going to be cool, though. But that's, I mean, that's how we are. But you guys, and then there was a ceremony, I think the championship ceremony that Ray didn't come back for. Or maybe there's something that he was, you guys didn't invite him back. No. Oh, oh, it was something.

Ray didn't come to. It was a few things. come to you, dog. I'm telling you, and that's what made the relationship, too, because when Rondo first re-signed this new deal, we all had a get-together for him at a restaurant. He didn't show up. Man, look here. The man tried

to tear my head off. I ain't coming, P. I'm not going to be honest with you. It's a team thing, though. And so, like, all that built up to... Man, I might have came and kicked the whole cake over. So, but we just felt like, no matter your relationship, like, we got to support each other. Okay. I see what you're saying. If I got a bowling event, y'all all got to come.

Yeah, for sure. If they're doing this, like, Come on, everybody support each other. We're on the same. We're trying to win, bro. Like, you ain't got to stay long. Right. You know, and that's, you know, and that's, that was kind of like the beginning of the breakup with all of us.

And it was just like, man, I wish we could have stayed together a few more years. You mentioned one of your former teammates, Glenn Big Baby Davis, and he had an unfortunate situation where got involved with some, some activities, and now he finds himself in federal prison. How difficult is it to see, you know, for me, it's very difficult. to see my former teammates when they fall on hard times because I remember, you know, I choose to remember the great time that we have in the locker rooms, on the bus, on the planes, laughing and joking on the practice field and to see him going through what he's going

through. How difficult is that, you know, you hate to see, you know, a few things when you're done playing that you've accomplished so much with people. You hate to see, you know, them go broke, you know, and need something from you because I'm always willing to help. Yeah. You hate to see them go to jail, which has happened in this situation. And I haven't had a chance to talk to Big Baby. I would love to, like, reach out. You know, I've had a few teammates go to jail, actually. And, you know, sometimes, like, it's hard to communicate

because you've got the letter writing in the visitations. You've got to do so much. And then they're in other states. Yeah. And so you try to just talk through other people that can get the mess closer to family members. But you hate to see that type of stuff because of the, bond you. You built. You built. And you hate to see people fall on tough times. And, you know, hopefully this makes him

stronger because, like, him going in, he seemed like he was on some positive vibes. He didn't seem like worried, because he was all on Instagram, and you never know, Instagram covers up a lot of our emotions. Yeah, Instagram face. Yeah, you know, it covers up who we really are. Because Instagram got me thinking, I'm broke. Because everybody's living, everybody got culliners, everybody got uricis, everybody got, I'm like, well, damn! They're doing that I...

Right. I'm like, well, damn, y'all got it like that. Right, right. Everybody happy, everybody in a happy relationship, Pete. Everybody been married for 10, 15 years. They got the woman of their dreams. They got the man of their dreams. The family is great.

I'm like, come on now. Nah. What you see on there and what you see in person is two different things. Entirely. That makeup come off. We know what's under that makeup. K.G. You mentioned that you guys had a great relationship

and everybody talked about how, you know, how intense he is and how much he talks. Could you tell when KG was getting on the people's skin? Yeah. I mean, dude, KG just is just an intimidating force just like looking out. Like, man, like his aura. Yeah.

Like, he got a whole aura about him, like just walking in the room. And then if he started barking at you and saying stuff, it's just like, got to understand a lot of the, and he do it to the younger guys, too, but a lot of the younger guys looked up to him. They did. And they were just like, you know,

I didn't heard some stuff like, ooh. Is that true what he told, what he told Joe Kim Noah? Because he's like, hey, man, I admire you, man, the way you play. He said, man, get on my D-Bad, stop him. I was right there. He said that for real Pete? Man, 100%.

Yeah, man, look at Joe Kim. And they made up since then, and we laugh about it. And Joe Kim is cool. So we was at the free throw line. He was like, man, I'm sitting right there. I heard the whole thing. I'm right there.

He was like, yeah, KG, man, I just want you to know, man, I look up to you. Man, I had your poster and everything, man. You know, I would love to work out. Something along that thing. Like, man, get off my deed. Like, hell, then. I was like, damn. No, but look.

No, but look. another one. Here go another one. Here go another story that all thing got out. It was another player. He was like, hey we had the free throw line again because, you know, this one guys like to talk. He's like, hey, cab, man, I just want to invite you. You know, I'm having my wedding

this summer. You know, I would like to continue your inviting, man. Kevin, man, looked up and said, fuck you. Like, oh, damn. I was like, damn, KG. I look like, so the one thing I did learn, dude, don't talk to Kevin during the game.

Right. Talk to him before or after or texting that. Like, y'all are here telling this stuff during the game? He is in full gladiator moment right now, dude. Leave him alone. Right. Like, come on, stop that, y'all. The situation that he and Carmelo got into it,

The Cheerio's things have been debunk. Yeah. But how surprised were you, were you, that Mello was waiting at the bus and wanted to throw ahead at KG? Yeah, I see, I didn't know what was going on because I think I was still in the shower or something. You know, before I realized what was going on. Right. Like, and I didn't even hear what was said to this day, and I've never asked them. Right.

You know, it's just certain things you just don't even want to know if it's true or not, you know, and that's one of them for me. and it was just like damn he really got under mellow skin and then when it came out that he was talking about something about his wife and all that and I was like man I didn't heard KG talk a lot of shit but he ain't I don't think he went there with it

you know what I'm saying maybe he thought he heard something like that but I ain't never heard nothing to that to where you like that's crossing the line oh yeah you know what I'm saying man people why man people don't play about

the wife man people don't play about the why the girlfriend he can Hey, you stay away from that. Yeah, stay away from that. Everything else is fair game. All right, we're playing the game, it's whatever. But, like, the personal family and kids and wives, they keep that out of it. Now, I've heard the girlfriend's stuff a lot.

The girlfriends is open. No, they do. Yeah, but you're just your girlfriend. That's open season. I don't heard stuff like that, not real, but other players. Like, hey, that's your girl. Oh, yeah, she was with me. It's like, you said that.

Wow. I was like, what? to the other player, and the player was all this game, the rest of the game. Man, it's some stuff. I know you didn't heard some stuff, too. Oh, for sure. I might have uttered a few things.

Let's go ahead and talk to that, you know. Like you said, fair game, fair game. Did you smack talk, trash talk to Kobe? Sometimes, but like, like Kobe, he, he, He's different. Like, he just, like his, sometimes his mouth talking was breathing hard on you.

Like, he had just had his look and his nose. He had this thing with his nose and flared around. Like, like, he wouldn't say nothing. I was just, oh, shit, you know what? I should have said nothing to do. No, but it was one All-Star game. So we beat them in the final.

So the next year in the All-Star game, he had the free throw long. and I yelled something from the bench. Like, that's why y'all blew it last year or something. I said something foul. Yeah, you're going to choke like you did in the final last year. He choked, yeah. I said, you choke, you're going to choke.

Man, we was about to fight in the All-Star game. For a rich? Dude, he came over to me on the bench. Walked right dead over there, got in my face. I had to stand up. You ain't going to stand up over now. Yeah, you didn't stand up in that. Yeah, so I had to stand up.

Yeah, so I had to stand up, like, what are you talking about this? So I'm thinking, like, dude, like, he really, like, it's the All-Star game. I'm thinking we're about the squabble in the All-Star game. He was hot. I was like, damn, all right, you know what, I ain't trying to do all that in the Austin. For real. Man, I was like, damn, I sure. You know what, let me chill.

You mentioned the battles. Like, you said, look, I'm not a top 75 player. I'm not thought of as a player I am if I don't have those. battle with LeBron when he's at Cleveland when he's at Miami he's in Miami I'm in Brooklyn you

a lot of times you guys guarded each other that game that game was that game six I think it was game six you have 40 he had 42 or you have 42 he had 40 but you guys were going at it you guys I mean that was

we game 7 Boston we both have 40 yeah you guys were going at it. So how you, what are you trying to do to get him off his game? Is there a spot you're trying to keep him from getting to? Are you talking to him? Like, bro, this is not your year. This is not it.

I would talk to LeBron at the, our meetings at the free throw line again. You know, I always used to say he going to choke at the line. Right. Because at the time, he was always missing big free throws. But like the, like when he's on, you can't stop him. Because the strategy is to make him shoot jumpers. Right. But if his jumpers on the, if he hitting, then it's over.

Right. And that's what happened in that game six in the guard. Yeah. Oh, he was hitting everything. Fadeaways, threes. Because the scouting is to go under the pick and roll. Right. Let him shoot jumpers.

And if his jumper is on, it's nothing you can do because he's on. Now, if you, like, when you get down, you don't want to give him the free jumper because now you got to get up. Right. Now he's going by you. And doing all that. Man, it was just like. like, man, you got to pick the lesser of two evils.

But if he got them both going, it's a long night. And he's so strong, man. I just remember trying to foul him, bro. You damn near had to WWF him to just stop him from getting the AN1. Like, I remember so many different fouls I gave. I'm damn near tackling him, and he still almost getting him. Because you see the one with the Marr's twin when he's playing Boston, and he grabs him by the back, and LeBron still lays it up and get the AN1.

I think that's so many times to where it's down. You damn near got to tackle him. to stop him from, like, getting the AN won. Right. Especially when he got that full steam ahead. It's like, man. You mentioned it's reported that you told him, I have the ball to take that shot in game five

in the 2000 Eastern Conference battles. You said that? That sound like me. That sound like something by the sake. I'm trying to figure out, why you and UD got here? You and UD's dumb iron y'all differences out? I ain't talked to UD. I really ain't got no beef with UD.

Like, and I said some things And the reason I said what I said Because I didn't appreciate what UD said about Russell Russell, what, no, Bill Russell Real Russell, okay You know, he said something I thought that was foul You know, Russell was passed by then Yeah

You know, and I didn't appreciate that And, you know, we got a long rival We were Boston, Miami and everything And I do a shot Yeah You know what I'm saying like And that's all it was Because like when we played against each other

it wasn't never know me and him in each other face. It was more like me and D. Wade or me and Brown. You know, so it wasn't nothing like that. So I said what, he said what he said. And I was like kind of like defending our culture or our side because what I said was I went on Stephen Jackson page. And he got his jersey retired. Right. And Stephen Jackson was like, well deserved.

And I said, I think I said not giving. it wasn't deserved it was given like something like that and it was a shot and I probably and I probably shouldn't have said nothing like that

but I just yeah you know now where you ain't supposed to go on somebody and say you take no shot in nobody because that ain't me usually I usually don't do that

because I tell a person you know and I just felt the need to like say that because of what was said I felt it was a disrespect to a Russell but like

you know I ain't got no issue with UD but like if we see each other like face to face, you know, I'll tell them the same thing. Like, man, I ain't really got no issue with you. You know, we grown, we retired. We got kids.

We got kids. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I ain't trying to have no issue with nobody. Who you think talked more, Gary Payton or KG? Gary, bro. You can't shut Gary up. You can't shut Gary up. That's why.

Bad GP me out of mind, man. You can't shut him up. Like, once he get going, man, I'm telling you, man. When GP, you know, we played in Boston with me. Man, GP, me and GP was going to fight one day, and I looked up to GP. Like, I completely looked up to GP. He from Oakland. I followed him all the way through, you know, him and my brother knew each other growing up.

And GP was saying something. And I was like, man, shut up, little man. I'll beat you out. He was like, well, do it then. He was like, he started yelling and he started getting all hyped up and all this. I was like, completely. I was like, he got so. turned up and I'm like man

I respect G you know I'm bigger than him I'm younger than you I'm like gee come oh yeah I had to smile it off I had to get off I had to live G you to this day that's my big brother man but ain't nobody ain't nobody talk more than G G's not going to stop

like G G G going to spit here and there but G is just going to keep on like all night it's like damn I didn't turn him on A guy that's called a lot of criticism, I think he does a great job on television. I work with him on both shows, undisputed and ESPN.

It's Perk. Okay. He played his role. You know, look, Perk, you know, Perk ain't going to get, you know, 20, but he's going to sit great screens. He's going to rebound. He's going to hard file you. But he's caught a lot of criticism.

Russ, he said that, you know, he and Russ had a falling out because he said something about Russ his wife, sent him a letter. He and Katie been going back and forth a little bit on Twitter, stuff like that. What was it like playing with Perk? Man, I love playing with Perk. He understood his role.

And, you know, he was our enforcer. You know, he was our big man. And I'll never forget when I felt like I knew we would win this series. I'll tell you this one series. This was when Cleveland was the number one seed with Shaq.

We were the four seed, and we played them in the second round. And I remember Shaq tried to punk perk. Man, Perk stood in that Shaq face like, oh, beecho. Like, and I was just like, ooh, okay. You know, I ain't never seen nobody stand up in Shaq. Like, I was like, ooh, that gave me confidence. It's like, oh, yeah, we're going to whip them.

You know what I'm saying? Because Shaq is intimidating. I don't care how old Shaq is. I don't care. He can be 99 years old. Shaq is intimidating to this day. To this day And I'm like

Oh yeah Perk just like low key Kind of gotten shocked face Right Oh man We're about to get them And you know But that here

Perk understood his role And that's why I say If he don't get hurt I feel like we win Right Two rings Did Perk have hot takes In the locker room

Was Perk a talker back then? I mean He understood the game And most of the time It'd be me and Kevin Because we stuck around longer in the locker room Me and Kevin

Like we'd be there Because we'd be there because we're the old man, they usually leave, but Perk was always knowledgeable. He always had his say in the currency, but they, you know, they'd gone. But then when we retired, you know, he would, all men and him were talking,

he'd just be like, man, you know, I'm looking to get into the business, P, you know, what you think, you know, and I was like, he's very strong opinionated. He's always been doing that. Perfect. That's what you got to have. You got to have an opinionated,

and that's what you have. You got to stand on what you say. Anybody can say, well, I like both guys. You know what? It's really, no, you got to have an opinion. and stand when you because criticism's going to come eventually criticism's going to come because you're not going to be on the right side of everybody's opinion right and you got to stand on it and you can't be in this trying to be liked all the time no no you know you got to say

what you feel what you feel and you know he's always done that yes and so that's why he's great in this in this space what was it like playing with shack because you didn't get the you didn't get the magic shack you didn't get uh uh uh laker shack you didn't even get uh uh uh Heat Shack. You got a guy that had been around. I think he had gone to Phoenix and came to you guys. I think he ended up going to Cleveland Lair.

But what was it like with Shack? Man, that was one of the funnest teams I ever played on. We didn't win it, but I was promised you Shana, if Shack had been healthy, we would have won it that year. Really? Dude, go back and look at our record with Shack. I think we were like 28 and then 3.

Wow. And then he gets hurt. Yeah. Something like that. Like we were rolling with all we needed was his presence Because the thing about Shaq When you drive to the lane, ain't nobody helping off of him So the lane is wide open

And you're not helping off KG I was having a field day with them Like Rhondo was having a field day with them too In the line up But then off the court Man just the last we had with him And you just know Shaq He's funny

He's just a comedian Your big old kid And then we had Nate Robinson with him Oh man That was one of the funniest times because we all kicked and we all went to dinner and this was the one the only person

Shack is the only one that had a bigger oar than KG. Wow. Because being in practice in the locker room KG, he got the biggest org. Then you see another big orer coming there and you're like, it's bigger than that one. It's like, I'm in the locker room.

These dudes are like a big sun in the locker room shining. I'm like, man. And then we sitting there having story time after practice. you know, the OGs, we're going to sit there after practice and be chopping it up talking about whatever, shooting the shit. So that was one of the fun

this time. Was Shaq still pranking people when he got the Boston? Was he still? Pranking. Man, that is never going to stop. Man, come on, Shaq was doing, putting stuff in people's shoes. He was doing... Man, he was doing... T. Lou told the story so how he took a dump

in Devin George's shoes. Man, he was still doing stuff like that. Him and Nate Robinson dude, I'm telling you. This was the two, it was crazy. But that's who Shaq is, you know. So it made the locker room fine. Yeah.

You also have a teammate, Delante West, who's kind of falling on hard times. He's dealing with some issues. Mark Cuban has tried to help him out, but he kind of had a relapse and he's back in it. What was he like? What was playing with Delante like? And did you see anything that would lead you to believe that this could possibly be a fate down the role. No, I mean, actually, Delante was one of my favorite teammates because I had a young Delante, you know, just having him and Tony Allen together was like, man, you wouldn't believe

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Yeah. Yeah. It was, like, when he was playing for us, he needed medication then. And I didn't know it would turn into what we see today. But we knew he had, like, I don't know if it's a. bipolar disorder or something like that. I think he was diagnosed with to where, you know, Danny would, like, talk to him and make sure, try to make sure he take his men's and all that because, like, you saw

a couple episodes, like, to where he go off and, you know, he had a couple fights in the locker room, but, you know, you didn't think it had just turned into, like, full-on, just, like, mental health. Like, and, you know, it just goes to show you how difficult it is to deal with mental health. I have two nephews and I have a chance to see it firsthand, Shannon, with schizophrenia's like.

Like, it's the worst thing that you can have for a family to deal with every day because every day is new and it's different and you don't know what can happen. You know, and I just encourage people to just, if you're dealing with this in your family and the people around you,

you know, just show the love and make sure that you could give the support that you can give because it's a real thing. And it can damage, it can break a family apart. Oh, for sure, absolutely. You know, and I've seen, you know, that firsthand. And, you know, you try to pray

and you try to not wish that upon people, but it's just, it's difficult. And like I said, it can break families apart. Wow. LeBron, heading into year 23, year 22, average almost 25 points a game, eight rebounds a game, a sister game, shot over 50% from the floor, shot 38% from the three, shot one of his career highs from the free throw line. You said you believe 23 would be his last season. You still believe 23 is his last season? Is that this year?

Yeah. Yeah, I think this would be his last season. you know i mean he's he's accomplished so much he's played so long and i truly believe that now that you've had the opportunity like you've done something that's never been done in a game multiple times right and the one ultimate thing that's there's two things that's never going to happen while i'm alive nobody's going to break his scoring record and no other player will play with their son right i don't believe that those two things will happen And I think, like, there has to be...

Unless you have a son in high school. Yeah, right, right. And I just have to believe that he has a sense of fulfillment now, that, you know, he's done it all and accomplished so much. And now he's built up such a great off-the-court presence with his businesses and things of that nature that that's going to be his next challenge and growing that and becoming the best in that field. You know, because I know it eats at them every year.

he doesn't win a championship, and I know he loves the game, but I truly believe that. You don't believe that KD can break his scoring record? KD's at almost 30,000. Where's LeBron at 50? 42 regular season points. No. So much things have to go right. He has to be healthy for like the next 10 years, I think.

Because, I mean, he has to play basically at least seven years. And play all the games. Play the game, yeah. All of them. No injuries, no sit-outs. And LeBron's playing this year. I don't think it, I think it's really hard because normally guys retire when they can't play at the level they're accustomed to. You averaging 25 points of game P with 8 and 8.

It's hard to walk away. And you make it now is different because we've never seen LeBron in the final year of his contract. Unless LeBron really wants to be in the final year of his contract. It's reported that the Lakers, like, nah, we're going to wait. and see how this year turns out. So I don't think LeBron goes. I don't think he really wants to go anywhere else. He's building a compound here in L.A.

He loves L.A. He came to L.A. They didn't recruit him. He came to them. Yeah. It's like winning the lot. I ain't even played the lottery, but I won. Yeah.

Magic ain't, he showed up at, he and Rich Paul showed up at Magic's out. That's going to be a hard, that's going to be a hard decision. It is. This is all he knows. over half this man's life has been in the NBA think about he's going to be 41 so since he was 18

all he knows is the NBA but I have to believe that he doesn't want to play just to play true you know he wants to win like he wants to win a championship and if there's if there's a situation

to where if the Lakers lose the first round or how they lose he should want to go if you lose in the first round with Luca and Austin Reeves and what you have. I get it. You don't have no history. You don't got no great

big man. But with Luke and LeBron, you should never lose in the first round. Right. That in and of itself, you should never lose in a place for first round. Yep. So I believe it's all going to depend. I don't think he'll announce it. But I think for him, for him, circumstance, on how they go out

this year, he'll make that decision. You uh, Your, LeBron, Mom, almost beat you up for filing that man hard. That was, that was, that was LeBron told, told Glow's sit down. Glow trying to get, hey, Glow, come on, Mama, you know we're lying. Come on, Mama. Hey, why are you trying to come?

I'm just trying to just not make the layup, Mama. I went trying to hurt him. I ain't never tried to hurt him. You guys have played. You guys have played a lot. Yeah, we played. LeBron has beat you 35 times. You beat him 30.

four times. Yes. You won't go back and get to try this thing? I need to go tie this thing up with a dagger three.

I'll sit in the corner. I'm trying to think what was the last game. The last game was probably in Brooklyn. Yeah. Or Washington. Washington.

Oh, this is regular season. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Damn. That close. What

what if you guys were the same major? What if you came in, because you came in 98, LeBron came in L-O-3, if you guys were like... If we were the same age, I don't believe he would have four championships. He wouldn't have got... You kept him before? He wouldn't have got those two in Miami.

Because I got to believe if we're the same age and I could offset him, and that would have been good enough. Right. You know, like, if he had to got 40 in game 6 and we were the same, I would probably got 40 and offset him. Right. You know, I was at an old. older age then, a lot of miles and stuff.

And it was hard for me to keep up with them. I'm going to lie. I'll be looking at that tape shed and I'm like, like, damn. I couldn't even move. Like, I was younger. I couldn't move with him. But I'm like, you can't, because you don't put it in Brooklyn.

You say you got it. You're going to die him up in Brooklyn. I don't know what you was on. My mind and bodies say two different things. Your mom was saying one thing. That body fit. No, I ain't. I ain't.

I got them. You know. I thought I did. Oh, man. You were very outspoken about KD going to the war. You say it's not so much that they have the ability to go. LeBron and KD. had the ability to go wherever they wanted.

But it was KD going to a team that won 73 games that have the MVP and they had just lost the finals. Do you believe that KD would have been judged judged differently had he gone somewhere else and helped that team win a championship as opposed to the Warriors. Yeah, of course he would have got judged differently because the way, and it's the same thing with Ray.

We just lost to Miami, then you join them. Katie, you just lost a go-to-state who you should have beat. Right. Because you're up three-one. You was up through, and you joined them. And so that's why, that's where the criticism come in because it was just like,

damn, Katie, you good enough to beat them. Right. Like, we feel like that's because that's how the old school stars won. We like, man, I'm going to get over the hump. I'm going to take my lumps. Take my lump to love to love the way. And people just felt like he took the easy way out. And that's all.

But like, you know, I get it because we live in a culture to where we just off. It rings of everything now for you. Just off your championship. So he said, let me get that out the way. Yep. So now what y'all are going to talk about? Right. And so I get it.

You know, it's more understandably now because I come from the old school and I feel like, man, you got to get at the hard. You got to take your lumps and maybe, hey, and maybe you don't get over the hump. Yeah. Charles Barclay and Carl Malone, maybe you don't get over the hump. But what you don't do is, in that, I look at it like this. He paid his debt to society. He paid his debt to the thunder.

His contract was up. I'm trying to think, I don't know if he could have gone. Where could he have gone in won a championship? If you look at the landscape, if you go back, if you can remember, if you go back and look at the landscape, where is he going? If he goes to the Knicks, he's not beating Kyrie and Kevin Love and Bronn and Cleveland. If he goes, if he goes anywhere else, they're not going to beat the war. He got to go back to the OKC.

He got to stay in OKC. Okay, okay. You got to stay right. You went to the finals with that team. Right. And you up three, one against it. This was supposed to be the rivalry that we should have started. the next five, six years

to where one of these two teams is going to go to the finals every year. Right. You know, you stay there. You got the team. Yeah. But I think a lot of that

had to do with Russ. Yeah. You know, I think they had, they was bumping heads. And it looked like it on the court. Mm-hmm. Because you felt like Russ should have got him the ball more,

but Russ felt like I'm the man. Right. You know. And then, you know, it's hard to argue because the next year he goes to win the MVP and average a triple double. Right. So it's hard to say that he couldn't be the man.

And that's the hardest. thing, is that Shaq and Kobe should have won more championships together. Right. But Kobe's like, I'm the man. And Shaq, like, no, you little bro. He's said, no, not no more. Damn.

Because just imagine, the perfect situation is Kareem and Magic. Is that magic was fine. Cat, where you want the ball? Gotcha. Right. It's hard when one guy believed that he can be the man

and he should be the man. Magic knew he could be. Because magic, because when Pat Riley challenged him and say, need you to score more. Magic would not scored, more average over 20, and won the MVP. But he's like, and Magic

tells the story that when Pat Riley told him that he needed to score more, he's like, you run that by cap? Wow. Hey, I knew you to clear that up with Cap. But damn, that was Magic's game was passing. You know, when you got two guys who they game and scoring,

then you got to say who's going to take the lesser rolling over this. It's hard. Because the way we live in a society, we've got to determine credit. Somebody, it ain't no 50-50, no truth. We got to get somebody to need 51, we got to get somebody 49, we got to be 60-40, we got to be 70-30. Ain't no 50-50. So whose team is it?

Right. Kobe got tired of hearing he Batman. I mean, he got, he robbing. Right. That he riding Shaq's coattails. He was chasing something else. Yes. He was chasing something else.

He knew that in order for him to become, he can't, yes. He had the mama name with Shat But in order for us to look at him differently He had to do this without Shack We're never gonna we're never gonna look at him If he's doing all the he win five championships with Shack We're not looking at Kobe the same as we look at him now 100% yeah he was on a mission

He knew that he had to get under that shadow He had to Damn he just it's a lot of just in the histories of sports There's a lot of what-ifs Damn Because plus I got we got We got to sign credit to somebody. Yeah.

We got a sign. We see this in football with Coach Belichick and Tom Brady. Right. Who gets the most credit? Right. Well, when Tom left, Tom went, we got a championship with New England, with Tampa. Yep. Coach Belichick went to the playoffs and then two years of mediocrity.

He's the coach at UNC. Yep. We look at the 49ers, we look at Bill Walsh. We look at Joe Montana. Coach Walsh retired, Joe wins another one with Tom, with Cephyr. So we can say, so now we can defendants to be safe, okay, it was him. Right. We got to be able to determine who the reason why we win to the championship through.

That's just the way we're wired. That's the way. It's not good enough. Right. Shaq and Kobe. Nah, nah, no. The Shaq was so dominant. You had to see it.

People don't risk, people, because people look at Shaq now and they see him, he having fun. People just don't realize. man he was so dominant you couldn't do nothing with him nothing nothing they changed to lose just imagine if they called foul shak would shoot like 50 free throws a game if they caught it caught every file man come on it's damn you couldn't do nothing with the big fight you couldn't

people don't realize just how athletic considering his side considering his agility people don't realize how good people think oh joel and b joll and b couldn't move like shack with Shaq Orlando Shack

and the first three years of L.A. Shack? There wasn't a better athlete on the planet. No. Yeah. He's 7-1, he's 335 pounds and he can move

like a 6-7 guy that's 200 pounds. Yep. Yep. You had to see it. Like I said, some things, like you had to see Barry Sanders play in person to really appreciate what he was doing. You had to see Jared rice you had to see prime you had some things you just have to see in person so why is it you don't think that jordan is better than lebron you saw him both i did i saw him in person like go james man

come on come on i mean can you think about it come on because he could do more he could rebound better so what do we go off of dude because this is the argument that i have today like You know, like, better player is one thing. Yes. Like, is he just, like, let's take away all the accolades. Yeah. Like, LeBron is probably the greatest player of the game, right? But it's unfortunate that we've got to add the accolades.

Yeah. So we have to add the team success. So we're going to put those like 20 all-MBA selections in there? 21-all-N-B-A selections? Yeah, you'll put it in there. We're going to put that in there. We're going to put that in it. We're going to put those 20.

No, no, no, no, we're not going to put those in it. Oh, okay. So we're not going to do. This is what we're going to do. Okay, we're going to do. We're going to take the 15 years or 13 years Jordan play and let's match him up with the 15 years. My guy's still playing. Huh?

My guy's still playing. You can't say this guy. If this guy was he. So we're crediting longevity as a reason. You make a see like LeBron just out there. No, he's not out there. But I'm saying at the peak of your superpowers. Did you see Jordan in Washington?

I never seen Jordan disappoint in a big moment. Did you see Jordan in Washington? Yeah, I played against Jordan and Washington. That was like a farewell tour. My guy still going at 23. Ain't no farewell. Ain't no telling him. Ain't no telling him.

We're going to be dead when he retired. We got to book that's a five of a page. It ain't the end yet. Oh, man, you ain't lie. I mean, that's nothing's ever going. You're not going to do that. Nobody's going to do what he's doing ever again. I mean, think about those points.

Truth. But is this a statistical thing? Then if it was, then why don't we say Kareen was the greatest? Before LaGne did that. But see, that was, but here's the thing. Because people say championships, but they crowned Jordan as the greatest players when he had none. If you go back and look at the late 80s and early, late 80s. They crowned them as the best player in the league.

They said he was the greatest player that we'd ever seen. and he had no championship. They didn't call him the goat, though. But we, first of all, they didn't call him the goat. They said he was the greatest player. We've ever seen. Yes. Just like when Barry Sanders was there, there was the greatest running back we ever seen.

Yes, but they said running back. They didn't say he's the greatest player. They said Jordan was the greatest player we had ever seen, and he had no championships. Yeah, but they didn't say he's the goat. But there's a difference between greatest player and the goat. But how did he get a great player? Like Tom Brady, like Tom Brady, when we just. look at Tom like he's

the goat, right? Yeah. But like when you look at him compared to like Rogers and Mahomes, if you just watch him. Right. Like he don't look better than him. Right. But see, for me, I mean, look, I think Tom is because the quarterback is so

so damn important. But I can make a case that L.T. or Jerry Rice is the greatest players of all times. But they're not as important as the quarterback because he touches the ball. LeBron,

Jordan was never asked to do what LeBron has been asked to do. The Jordan had a specific task. LeBron, they asked LeBron said, LeBron, we need you to give us 27, we need you to give us 10, and we need you give us 10. And we need you to do that every night. And in the meantime, we still need you to guard the best player.

All right, I will say this. LeBron has, he has the greatest of all time influence on winning. Okay. Like, from day one, you put them on this team, they're a better team than what if he's not on it. Well, you can say that about Jordan,

but just like his influence on winning is greater than Jordan. Okay. Because you look at the teams he took to the finals. You know, it's like, damn, you dragged them? Yeah. That 2018 team ain't got no business in the finals. But then you kind of erased that because then you'd be like, damn, how did you lose when you had this?

I think, if you think about it, The only thing, the only time that I think LeBron really should have won the championship was against the Dallas Maverings. He wasn't favored in any other championships, really. Does the journey matter how you went? Does that matter? It does to me. It matters, right? It does.

Like, because if you're saying Kobe became something different because he stuck it out with the Lakers and won without Shaq, that matters. That's elevated Kobe. Well, see, if they could have got it. He got him pieces. Do you think Kobe win if he doesn't get Powell? I mean, Powell is not a top 75 players. But I'm saying if they don't get him. Oh, they don't.

LeBron couldn't get nobody to come to Cleveland. Bro, he took, think about it. He got Timofay Mosgoth, $75 million. He had Deladova. Deladova is your starting part of them. See, that's my point. That's what he was up against. Just imagine if Jerry West was his GM,

he would have knew what pieces to put around. around LeBron. But that's what makes the journey matter. Like, when you go through the rough times, like, me and Cole, like we talked about earlier, we were like, oh, we're going, we, you know, the journey's over, but he stuck it out. Yeah.

And that meant something for him to stay a Laker and wait for them to see if they were going to do something. Right. He never ran. LeBron rated LeBron waited What year was it? Yeah, like year seven

He just realized What year did Jordan win? Seven or eight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But here's the thing. They got them Scotty Pippen. They got him whole grand. Scotty became something.

They don't know Scotty. They didn't go get Scottie Pippen. They drafted well. But what I'm saying, they weren't drafting well, though. Truth. But they were trying to do everything to get them.

They got, Wallace, Shack, Antoine, they was trying. But Ben Wallace was my age. Shack was my age. But you think that, think about this, the great players, people always gravitate towards the great players. Yes. The good role players gravitate. Yeah, but they ain't going to Cleveland to gravitate towards them.

Why not? People, because I ain't trying to go to Cleveland. Milwaukee won. Yeah. Denver won't. I tell you what, let me ask you this. You think Yon is going to finish his career in Milwaukee? I mean, in the last game we are today, it's hard to say that somebody's going to finish a career with one team. Because he wants to win and, you know, once you get a taste of that, win it's truth. But whose journey was better, Jordan's or LeBron's?

You think it's harder to win as many championships as Jordan did with one team or win the championships that he's won, like LeBron, on multiple teams? It's hard to win, period. Yeah, oh, for sure. We said that. We've agreed to that. We're going to agree with that. But now if I go say, all right, I want to go over here, but then I get the hand pick, what part of the journey is that?

That has to mean something. That has to mean, like, Jordan is say pick-pippin. Did he? Right. They got him on a hen's just saying, hey, maybe he becomes something. Right. You know, like the journey has to, like, mean something. and, you know, it doesn't take away from LeBron's ability.

Right. Like, he's, like, just take away all everybody. Take away everybody's championships. Right. LeBron has the greatest ability of any basketball player ever, like skill-wise. Right. Like, I mean, dude, he's the scoring champ. He can pass like magic.

He can rebound like Robin. I mean, he could do it all. He can do it all. Like, if I'm building a basketball player, I want to build LeBron. Like, an athletic team. No players have been able to do more. But the mental for the two is. is what we always questioned about him.

Well, just let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, LeBron James would have had a historically great coach. Say he had a Dean Smith in college for three years, and then he got to Phil Jackson for the better part of his career. What coach did you believe that LeBron James going to have that's going to go to the Hall of Fame? Maybe Spolstra?

Spolster will go to the Hall of Fame. Ty Lou will go to the Hall of Fame. Let's see who he went right now. JJ Reddy. Oh, JJ Reddy. Mike Brown, Vogel. But who made who? Who made who?

Did Phil make Jordan? All I know is Phil left somewhere else and won a championship. Did Phil make Jordan? I'm just asking you a question. Did he leave? Tell me the coach. Tell me the coach that's won a championship. after they left LeBron?

Probably nobody. Why that? Because LeBron elevated the coach. Right? Yeah. So did Jordan. Phil won three more,

Phil won five championships after they left Jordan. Oh man, come on. You inherited Kobe and Shaq. I just said what he did. That's like right now if you inherit, like, who ain't won a championship

a great player in the league? right now. Vogel inherited, did he have KD and Book? Oh, Vogel won with Braun. Yes. But didn't he get Book? Wasn't he in Phoenix?

Yeah, and that was trash. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. I mean, I'm not taking nothing away. LeBron, I think the coach... I think me probably... I get more credit to the player than the coach, though. Do you?

Yeah. Yeah. I do see that. I get way... In the NBA? Yeah. NFL is coaching. NBA is the player.

You know that. One player can change your fortune in the NBA. It's different in the NBA. I agree. You know what I'm saying? I definitely agree with that. Let me mention this. Clippers, you go to the Clippers.

You said that you hated that you demanded the trade to leave Boston. If you had it to do over again, you finish your whole career in Boston, even though you don't win another championship. Because it seems like once you won, you start trade. You still, you know, that high. that high of winning a championship is like they say it's called chasing the dragon so you never get that high that you

initially felt the first time you did it but you chase it so you won it in Boston let me go to Brooklyn let me go to the Clippers or let me go to the Whizzer you chasing that you wish you had like you know what

if I'm going to win another one it's going to be here in Boston yeah I wish I could have to stay there my whole career. Yeah, I really do. But I'm not mad at my path because I had a chance to be an influence on some other young team.

Yeah. You know, and I enjoyed that experience. I really did. Like, just because being in one place, your whole career is great. Yeah. But to go to Brooklyn, the spirits of the big city.

Right. And then go to Washington to play with these young two all-stars and give them some game. Yeah. And then to reunite with Doc at home to finish it out. Like, I love the way I ended it, actually.

Even though I would have loved to end in Boston, I loved having that experience on the way out the way I did it. Because like even being that back home in L.A., it was like it gave me a chance to retire and really kind of like put my feet down and ease into retirement in a smooth way. Right. Because I already had it figured out because I'm home. I have my house here, my kids, everything. I retired.

I jumped into sports analyst media. And it was a good transition for me. How difficult was it for the Clippers? Because, bro, you're a 10-time All-Star. You're a finals MVP. You're an all-N-B-A selection. And you're coming off the bench. Oh, man.

You know, it's crazy. I just called game in Washington, too. Yes. And, dog, dog put me on the bitch. I was hot. I was like, I just, I'm going to stay in Washington. Yes. It started.

Like, I was just like, I had, it was like, when you get to that level, And I understood with Russ Feld in L.A. now, Russell Westbrook. Yes. This is my first time ever coming off the bench. Yeah. It was like a shock. I was just like, damn, it was just like, hold on. Like, you got to see who I'm coming off the bench for.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It was, it was Wesley Johnson. Oh. And I was like, you know, it ain't a knock on Wesley, but I think I'm still better than him. I think I'm still better than him. You know, just like, you know, it gets. got to the point to where I just had to be like.

But you were coming up the bitch, you were coming in the cleanup time. They were like three, four minutes in the game, truth, and they put you in. At some point, but then it got to the point. I wasn't playing for- At all. At all. I was like, man, you know, I had to accept. Did you talk to the dog?

Man, we had little conversations, but then it was just like, it got to the point to where I understood my world right now. I'm at the end. This is when the light came. The light comes on like, bro. That's it for me. This is it for me. And then I was like,

Because Sam, Cassell is on the staff, right? So, you know, practice is going. I'm on the sideline. I get to practice early workout. So he's like, P, get in there, get some reps. I looked at Sam. I said, Sam, in your last year, did I bother you? I said, get away from me.

Because he was with us in his last year. Yeah, I remember. I looked at him, like, boy, I was on the side like chilling. Hey, Bobby, you, man. I got here early, got my workout in. Now I'm watching practice. Everybody remember the viral clip. You going back and forth with Dremont.

Draman, I mean, it's quiet and Dremont. Hey, you thought you were going to get that COVID treatment. They'll love you like that man Yeah, yeah You know that's crazy I didn't hear him say that What So you didn't hear him say

No, I'm on the bench And I'm talking to Draymond Because look Gold Estate Warriors Was like big brother To the Clippers And I'm coming over there Like you know

I'm the OG Like hold on Y'all ain't about to be punking this While I'm over here And I'm like Blake You know I'm trying to put a battery And Blake back

You know Because Drayman He's going to yeah Man he's trying to go at Blake But Blake But Blake an All-Star, too, now. And he was like, shut up, you ain't Kobe. I guess I didn't hear until after the game

because he said it under the basket where the mic picked it up so everybody on TV heard it. But like in them arenas, it's hard to hear. Right, okay. So I didn't even, I couldn't even hear him when he first said it. Right.

I didn't know until I got into the locker room and Twitter going off and everybody said it. Yeah, it's going crazy. It's going crazy because, you know, everybody thinking I'm just ignoring him, but I'm just kind of like, I didn't hear him. Right. And so, you know, it was funny.

I give it to Jermont. He won't one of the all-time trash talkers. He got me. He got me. Oh, man, man. You also, man, you've been going viral because you said you're better than D. Wade. I did say that. Yeah.

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You know what I'm saying? You know, I never cared about what people thought of me or other people's opinion. when I step on the court, I'm better than all of y'all. Right. You know, and that's what made me who I am,

and I'm going to work toward that. You got to believe that, though. You know what I'm saying? And so I'm never, I'm never going, like, I'm retired now, and I can change that, whatever,

and I knew I was retired then when I said it, but, like, that's who I was, and that was my age. I felt like every time I stepped on the court, I was the best player.

And that's why I made, the accolades I made. Right. Why didn't it work out with Kyrie and the clip and the Celtics? Man, I don't know, man, because I thought, you know, in the preseason,

I was at that game, at the practice. He said, I'm going to be a clipper for life. I mean, a Celtic for life, and I'm going to resign. Man, but, you know, Kyrie different. You know, he'd think on a whole other level. Yeah, he's a whole different level. He on a whole different wavelength.

A whole nipper stratosphere. And I thought that could be something that was going to work out. They can win a championship with him. But, you know, Kyrie. You know, it didn't work out with him and Braun. It didn't work out with him in... K.D. in Brooklyn. It didn't work out.

You know, so you never know what Karee is thinking. Right. We would have loved to have him in Boston for all them years, but it worked out. You know, it allowed Jason and Jalen to grow on their own because, you know, Kyrie was the OG and, you know, but everything happens for a reason. What do you expect from the Clippers? They got Chris Paul, they got Bradley Bill, they got James Hardin. Kauai seemed to be healthy.

he worked out for like a month after the season talking to T-Lu T-Lu said he wanted to make sure his body he missed half of the season last year but he looked good and they're a different team when he plays. What do you expect from the Clippers with Karee, with, excuse me, with Kauai being healthy and all the additions?

Man, I just think I think they'll be competitive but I just think their time is kind of past. Yeah. You know, they're older. James Hardin is older. Kauai is older, dealt with so many surgeries, and Bill is older. It's just like, this is a young man's game. Yeah.

You know, and these young teams is good. Okay, C, Minnesota, and you still got Denver over there. I think they'll be competitive, and Tailu is a great coach, and y'all got talent. But them is a lot of big names, and we all know that older big names usually don't win. They don't win. And so they'll be good. They may be better than the Lakers. maybe, but I don't see it.

I don't see it. John Wall called it the career. Are you surprised that how soon it ended for him? Man, John had a lot of lengthy injuries. You know, sometimes I can take a toll on you mentally. Then I think he lost his mom. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, he's made a lot of money.

Yeah. You know, in this game. And, you know, he probably didn't accomplish all the things he wanted to accomplish. But, man, he had a great career. He had an unbelievable career. He had a great career. He's been an all-star. He's the number one pick, man.

My shout-out to the young fella. I'm glad I had to spend a year with him, give him some game, you know, and I text him from time to time, hit him up and just be like, you know, how are you doing, young fella? And, you know, he has nothing to hold his head down. And I know it didn't end the way he wanted it to end.

Correct. And we all want that storybook in, though. Yeah, we all want the storybook in, but sometimes I don't go that way. You know what? He had a story book. Coming from where he came from and being a number of,

Hundreds of millions. Why is that on a storybook, Shannie? Yeah, you're right. We always got a judge on championships and all that way. Like, what? Or retiring on our terms. Yeah. Like, no, I mean, he's made hundreds of millions of dollars.

He's played in NBA. He was the number one pick. He got a storybook, life. Yes. How about that? You're right. You walk to work 20 miles in a bath road. The Knicks.

You really used to convince the Knicks were going to lose to the cell you work. Man, oh, I was sick. I was convinced I hate the Knicks and they hate me they hate me you know that's a Boston New York thing man I know I put my foot in my mouth

I said that on national television and to this day I don't regret it and people everywhere I go say did you really walk you saw it you saw it in my road

walking side the road you saw it you saw it you got a new show truth after dark where it seems you're talking you giving advice about relationships and people seem

that don't want to take advice from anybody that's not married that's not in a relationship for 20 plus years been stable why do you feel you're one of the best to give advice on relationships I mean because I've seen

all sides of a relationship you know what I'm saying I've been married in long-term relationships for 10 plus years, a couple of them. I've had kids. I've had long-term girlfriends. I've been on both sides, so I can speak on it. It's like you've been in the NFL, you can speak on it.

Yes. Like, I can speak on being married. If I'm not married now, I can speak on it. Right. Because I was married for a long time. Yeah. You know, and I've been engaged and I've had girlfriends. And, like, I just, you know, I see my perspective the way I see it.

And it ain't for everybody. Right. You know, I mean, I try to speak for everybody, but, you know, everybody different. Right. I just go off a lot of my experience, Shannon, and you can take it how you want it. Right. You know, but, like, I've seen it all. And even if I didn't experience, I've saw other people experience and I learn from them.

And that's why I feel like I'm more than qualified to give, you know, a relationship advice. You once said that marriage is for poor people. It offers no advantage to a man. Yes. So under that premise, would you get married again? That's a good question, man. It's like, yeah, I'll get married again because I'm getting old. So you want a hospice wife?

You want somebody to take it? Yeah. I'm getting old. Yeah, I'll get married again. I mean, it's just, it's just. I hear too many of the horror stories, like, especially for, like I said, old people and poor people. Like, think about a man, successful, rich man. Like, I hate seeing stories like she got 70% of his wealth.

And she got the kids. Right. And she, like, just feel like you stripped a man down of his dignity. Yeah. Like, I hate seeing them stories. Man, it just drives me nuts, and there's too many of them. Right. And the percentages ain't in her favor.

As successful, not only black, just people in that upper tax bracket. It's just like, no advantage for us. And I'm not saying, don't do it. Just, you know, wait until you get old. Or you broke. Did you and your wife grow apart because you had, like you said, you'd been married 10 plus year, you got kids? How did you come to the conclusion?

You're like, you know what they, we need to part? ways. Man, you know, I think it happens over time. It wasn't like a sit-down one-sit-down. Yeah, yo, they're, oh, no, no, no. They're a continuation. You know, and it happened in retirement, and a lot of players, you know, get divorced in retirement.

Yeah. And it's just like, it's a whole new dynamic that happens. You hold them all the time. Yeah, because, like, it's cool when you in and out. You miss each other. You're going through whatever. You're going through, and you can deal with it. And, you know, she get to get on, go to the game.

highlight herself and she's in the line light still too but then the lights cut off and now you come on home telling the kids to do this and changing the whole family dynamic yes and it causes a riff you know what I'm saying and it just like it causes like like you start side-iron licking each other like no I wouldn't allow this if I was home all the time right you know what I'm saying and then it just causes a divide and I just think like kind of like that's what happened yeah you know the divide and the communication wasn't there in my situation. And, you know, and it happens to a lot of us.

Yeah. You know, it's hard to make that adjustment after you're done playing. To be home all the time? And then now you home all the time, then you just get up, be like, I need to go somewhere. Right. And now y'all, you argue with you because you got. Why you go, you ain't got, you ain't got no practice?

Yeah. You ain't got no. Yeah. Where are you going? Like, now you're just so antsy. You used to travel in every week. You used to leave it. Every week, you're just like, I don't know how to sit down.

Right. And then now that's. something. That's a conflict. That's a conflict. And, you know, if I had it to do all over again, what I know now, I would have been probably more sensitive to their needs instead of being selfish. You know what I'm saying? It was selfish. Well, you've got to be selfish to be great. Yeah. And I took a lot of... You hear LeBron, when LeBron talks? LeBron says, I denied a... You know, and the first thing he says it's family. Because when you, when you and I did, Because family's the closest

That's why we mention them first That we apologize to them for being selfish In order to be great You've got to be selfish Because you're going to miss recitals You're going to miss certain things You're going to miss this Because guess what

Oh I can't go play in the game Because my daughter's recital Well I can't do the celebrate my anniversary Because I got to miss this game Because I got to do my wife's anniversary So you become selfish Right The greater the player

the more selfish he or she is. I've said this. I said I've took those traits that made me who I am and it affected my marriage. You took it in a relationship and it ruined it. Yep, it affected the relationship. Yes. Because now you're seeing it all the time when you're home.

Yes. Selfishness. Doing what you want to just, just so many things. And like you just... And they might let it see. They'll let it slide. When you got a basketball, when you play basketball, you play football,

you play a professional sport or you have a business. But when you really, retirement since, oh, I want to spend more time with the family. Yeah. That ain't been there for 20 years. Right. And then you're going to come in there and think you're going to let you change everything

and how the system works. It ain't going to happen. I didn't know what the system was. I tried to come in there and change it. So, but, you know, to this day, you know, everybody cool. Yeah, that's great. You know, kids is where everybody get along. So, you know, like, it's an experience.

Yes. You know, and you go through it and you learn from it. and you move on. Did you see the story where the guy said the young lady $200 and she sent him back, she sent it back to him, say because she knows her worth. Was it $200 or $2,000? I know my worth if some of a girl sent me $200.000, wasn't it? It was $2,000.

$2,000? Yes. He sent her $2,000. She said, she says, I know my worth. We've been dealing with each other for an extremely long. period of time she sent it back to it that's a red flag shana anybody can use two racks I'll take two racks right now I can use two racks I mean damn like what you mean like you like girls like that you you stay away from them right because like oh you must

used to be dealing with who you dealing with yes who you're dealing with that's doing that or somebody that thought what such and such a used to do this for me well he not do it no more so why he stopped doing it. Right. You're telling me who used to do it. I want to know why he stopped. Right. That's the question right there. That's the question. They're quick to throw that up in your face, don't Pete.

Man, that's why I be trying to tell him you got to it's messed up right now, Shan. It's messed up. The game. The game is messed up. Pete, you've been giving some good advice. You told us that, look, a hardworking man that's building something. Leave them pretty girls alone. Get you a five. Get you a solid six.

Keep it written. Get you a five, solid six. Get somebody that's humble. Yeah. That don't require all this. Because nine, ten, that's a lot of maintenance. That's a lot of upkeep. And see, and I always have to go back.

I'm not going to tell her she a five or six. Right. Like, we all know. I'm going to let her give her a nine. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, the public know you were five or six. Look. But I'm going to make you feel like a nine and ten.

I'm a six. You're a six. Yeah, let's go. That's 2 over 10. We're good. We're good. Yeah. Man, somebody who's humble who don't care about, man, let's go get a sandwich on the Friday night.

Right. And I'll be tripping. Look, I understand that, you know, occasionally we're going to go to the master's. We're going to go to steak 48. We'll go to the nice establishment. But that is not a prerequisite. You don't have to walk on the red carpet. You don't have to be seen.

We don't have to post everything on social media. Oh, look, you know, my soulmate, my. rib and all that other food because you you hide and things you understand what i'm saying i feel like just the prettier girls are are like that they're caught into the the cloud they're caught into the the nice things because we feed them yeah we you know because when like if i'm not constantly feeding her ego as like a beautiful woman and a beautiful yeah that's why i say that you're on your phone and somebody is and that's what you want all the time yes yes i can't keep up with that yes you know what i'm saying yeah yes i know

I can't keep up with it. Hey, it was one, like, you had to tell her all the time that you were, that you're amazing. Right. You, you, you, oh, you awesome, you, this or that. But I've never, I've never, I've never been in a situation like that when I had to constantly reinforce who she was and who she is and what type of person, you know, what type of body and how she looked and everything.

I'm like, well, damn, I felt like I was a full-time cheerleader. Yeah. I have, I mean. Because they constantly getting it so they needed, they wanted it from you. The minute you don't, I'll get it somewhere else. Yes. Or somebody will. Like, it's hard to keep up with that, man.

And I hate it that it's like that. And that's why I said, man, I'm going to go this route. You know, somebody who a little more humble, who actually, like, appreciate the comments. Well, do you know, do you shot to shot at Ruby Rose, I mean? I mean, the truth, the truth, he can normally call game. The one thing I know about truth, he called. Hey, it go in? You hit that bucket?

You pulled a step? Pull it over 30? Nah, no. I had to catch myself. I had to catch myself. Cam just went viral. He says he wants to know a girl's past. The man that she slept with.

Ooh. I don't be wanting to know. I don't either. No. I don't. about this here. A woman's past is important to a man as a man's future is to a woman. Would you agree with that? A woman, a man, a woman's past is important to a man as a woman. As a man's future. As a man's future. Is to a woman. Because you want to know if he's going to

make that bread, he's going to be, he's going to be, he's going to be racked up. He wants to know how many bodies you got and is any of them in the NBA, NFL, or MLBs. She wants to know, you're going to the NFL? You're in the NBA? You're going to play in the major leagues? You're going to be, you know, you're going to be

working CEO? No, no, because most of them girls, they're chasing them that's already in there. So his future is important to her. Yeah. Yeah, that is true. That is true. Damn, I don't want to know the past.

I don't either. I don't really care because you, Like, me asking, you can lie. Yeah. I'm going to go, more time I spend with you, it's going to show. Yes, yes. You know what I'm saying? It's always going to come out.

Yeah. Like, any time I've ever called a girl up on something, I didn't have to look. Yeah. It was just like, damn, what's this? It's right here in my face. We go somewhere. How you knew everybody? Like, damn.

That's my boy. It's right here. Like, it's right here. How many boy you got? Right. I give you one. I can't get your phone. My friend.

It's going to come out. For sure. Every time it never fails. I never had to look. Right. I'm going to just chill, you know, and then it's going to show. Oh, real, real? Okay.

That's what it is. I'll see it. You have daughters, and, you know, they hear you, you know, my daughter like daddy. You got to say that. You got to talk like that. Because I got, I got, you know, my daughter's in the 30s. And so they're asking me questions, you know. I said, baby, I'm in the entertainment bit.

But can you find another way to entertain Daddy? Right. Like, damn. How difficult it to have that conversation with you? Man, that's difficult, Shan, because, like, you know, I had to deal with the situation, you know, the ESPN situation. Or the live stream. The live stream, you know, I had to deal. That was a difficult situation because it was just like, damn.

And, you know, even doing this truth after dark, I'll say some things, you know, about, you know, relationships or black women and everything. And I'm like, you on this, like, you know, at this point, I'm entertainment, but then it'd be some hard conversations, too. That we got ahead. When you make the mistake, it's just like, man, you know, I'm human. But it don't change the fact that I'm still your dad. Right. And it's, I'm human. And I know you probably look at me like a superhero sometime.

They do. and all of that. But, you know, I'll make some mistakes. Yes. You know, I'm just like anybody else out here. I make some mistakes. You know, some, I regret and I say some things. And, you know, they may not come off a certain way.

But, like, some of these things I believe, you know, and don't you want a dad that's truthful and stand on his words? And I know they not always sound like the best thing. By the end of the day, when I'm long gone and everything, the one thing you can say about me is like you know what at the end of the day dad he was solid he was solid he was he spoke his mind and he didn't give it damn well people said about him right and i know sometimes it may be hurt or something like that but hopefully some of the traits i give in my opinion and the things i do and say can carry over to make you a strong person

because i didn't i block out the crowd noise i block out the negative and i hope that my kids can do the same thing. You ain't going to always be the most popular person in the room. You ain't going to always be liked. And that's what's going to build your character and make you stronger. And that's what's done for me.

You still gamble like you used to? You don't gamble anymore, huh? No, not that much. Like once every six months, maybe. Like, if I go to Vegas hang out, but no, not like I used to. Because you try to fuel that compared Because we're competitive.

Yeah, for sure. And that never leave. And that's why we missed the sport. What can we do to replace what we've done for the last 20 years? It's hard. There's no replacement. None. There's, no replace that bus ride, that plane ride, that locker room.

That chemistry, that camaraderie, ain't nothing. You just got to find what makes you happy. You know, I've been trying to, like, for me, it's pouring into my kids. Yes. You know, the more time I do with that and just like try to stay busy, try to get, the key is when you retire is try to get routine. Yes. You know, because we are.

We're so routine because we know the structure. Okay, I got practice at this time, so I need to get my workout in it this time. I need to do this. I need to eat. I take my nap. Right. Get on the bus. Go to the stadium.

I'm going to play the game. Everything is so structured. Structure routine. Now, I got all this time on my damn hand. What the hell am I going to do? You got to get your, when you first retired, you were like, I got a free time. I can just do whatever I want. I can travel here, go here.

That's the worst thing. That's the worst thing. So now since I've been back in routine, I've been good. I got, you know, I get up, my workout. It's the first thing I do. Take care of the mail, run my emails, kids, sports with them. Like, it's just I got a good routine going to do my podcast and this and that. So I got a good flow right now.

So, but it's hard, you know. Right. It's hard. What's next for Paul Pierce? What's next for Paul Pierce, man? You know, I'm getting older. My kids are, or I got a couple kids in high school. I got a young one.

I'm just trying to still go out here and build out my media career. You know, I've been doing that from day one since I retired. I stepped into the media field, and I enjoy doing that. Right. You know what I'm saying? I enjoy talking sports. I mean, I enjoy talking life and relationships. And I'm just trying to build on it.

You know, I'm trying to be a positive. influence. I'm trying to have a respectable opinion. And, you know, I really love what you've been able to build, Shannon. A lot of us in this culture, we look up to, like, a lot of things that you've been able to build and admire and appreciate, you know, because we got a lot of things in common. And, you know, I think it's important for all of us to support each other. Yes. And that's it. Just try to be a positive influence, take care of my kids, and, you know, eventually riding into the sunset. The truth. Cheers, ladies

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Want to slice. Got the roll of dice. That's why all my life. I be grinding on my life. Yeah. All my life. They're grinding on my life. Sacrifice.

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