Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Roy Wood Jr. Part 1

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup!  Roy Wood Jr. — comedian, writer, and one of the sharpest political voices in comedy — joins Club Shay Shay for a raw and insightful conversation about free speech, family, and finding truth in laughter. Roy starts by looking back at his time at CNN, where he was invited to join New Year’s Eve Live with Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen. He explains why he turned down drinking on-air, knowing that one wrong moment could jeopardize his role. That experience taught him early on how delicate free expression can be in corporate media. From there, Roy dives into the fallout surrounding Don Lemon’s firing after his controversial remarks about Nikki Haley. He admits that moment reshaped how he viewed the tension between truth and image inside the news world. Hosting CNN’s I Got News for You only reinforced that lesson — showing him that journalism, unlike comedy, often filters honesty through politics and brand management. Roy recalls one of the toughest breaks of his career — the cancellation of his sitcom pilot with Whoopi Goldberg. He describes how the loss initially crushed him, but ultimately became a turning point. Whoopi’s encouragement reminded him to keep pushing forward, and he returned to stand-up with a renewed sense of purpose and creative control. He also reflects on how late-night shows like Jimmy Kimmel Live! have become one of the few remaining spaces where comedians can still tackle uncomfortable truths. To Roy, comedy has always been about exposing what people are afraid to say — a mission that’s becoming harder as networks and audiences grow more cautious. In a more personal moment, Roy opens up about fatherhood and how becoming a dad changed the way he sees his career. He talks about balancing his work on The Daily Show with raising his son, making sure he’s present while showing him the value of purpose and patience. Roy admits that being a father keeps him grounded — it’s what motivates him to stay authentic, to build something that lasts beyond applause. As the conversation unfolds, Roy praises comedians like Trevor Wallace for using digital platforms to shape the next era of stand-up and Katt Williams for his unapologetic honesty. He also gives love to Marlon Wayans for his versatility and ability to evolve without compromising authenticity. Roy explains that whether it’s political satire or social storytelling, comedy’s greatest power is still connection — making people feel seen through laughter. Roy Wood Jr. shows why he’s one of comedy’s most essential voices. Honest, fearless, and deeply human, he delivers a masterclass in turning truth into humor — and proving that integrity will always be funny.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to the Move the Sticks podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Why do you turn that shot, that tequila shot down on New Year's? It was too close to the Don Lemon Fire in there. Yeah, yeah, Don. And Don used to get drunk the right way and can keep it journalistic. And, you know, they're always drinking on New Year's Eve. Yes. You know, Andy Cohen, Anderson Cooper.

I don't know if I want to drink with you, my fucking shot. I don't feel safe. Right. Now, if I'm going to CNN offices and my name is up there, I'm on the mural in the hall. Are we good? I'll pull up. All my life. Been grinding all my life.

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Shannon Sharp I'm also the proprietor of Club Shethe Stopping by for conversation And a Drink today The Master of Observational Comedy One of America's most respected Cultural Commentators Forbes declared him one of comedy's best

journalist, a fan favorite An Emmy Award-winning correspondent an Emmy Award in Writers Guild of America nominated producer and a writer an award-winning host. He's entertained millions as a consistent figure on television and radio for more than two decades, an internationally known comedian

who makes you think a dynamic forcing entertainer, a famed actor, acclaimed television personality, accomplished entertainer, thought-provoking journalists, a beloved philanthropist, an author and a father, please welcome to the show, Roy Wood Jr. I appreciate that. How did that intro, I read it like you're

I just like to give people, when people come on my show, I really like for them to receive their flowers because sometimes I don't know if they've heard it or they realize what they've done because a lot of times when you're in it, you don't sit, you're not cherishing it because you've got to get to a destination and you're on the journey so you don't get to time to reflect. Like, damn, man, I did all that, man, I did a lot of stuff in a very short amount of time. So I want someone, I want you to hear what we think of you. I think smelling your own flowers feels arrogant. So that's why I never really stopped to do it.

Really? Yeah, it's the idea, yeah, you did that, but you could do better. You could do more. You can show me anything I've done, and I'll show you where the mistake was. I mean, you watch gang tape. Yes. We didn't have four touchdowns in the game, but the one I dropped. That's the way you remember.

And so for me, a lot of it is just being rooted in, how can I improve, man? And so you just don't look back at it because you're just trying to just get better. Last time somebody offered you a drink, you turned it down. I mean, normally when people come on club, shay-shay, we toast with. I don't know. Oh, I'll drink with you. Okay. Now, I'll drink with you.

This is an understood drinking show. You got liquor in the decoration. So it's understood. You know, cognate, you understand behind cognac house made? Which one is it, it's in France? Cognac. Cognac has to be made on the special street in France. In the Cognac region.

It has to, the first two years, the cognac, it has to originate in that region. Okay. In order for it, for it to be a cognac. Now, a whiskey or a bourbon or a wine can be in California. Same with tequila. You got to come from this section of Mexico. It's not otherwise. It's whatever else.

Okay. This is a combination of an unibon grape and a petite champagne. So the origin of this is a grape. Okay. From that region. And no artificial colors, no added sugar. So you don't get that burn. You'll be able to taste smell and to taste the,

the notes, the marshmallows. Let me know what you think. Yes, sir. Oh, that's smooth, sir. That's very, it changed my pole. That's smooth right there. This is way better than the shit I was drinking at FAMU. We was drinking E&J, boy.

Well, you were on the budget that pay out. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We had $20 and we would go down to Jack's Liquor, pay a homeless person five. dollars to go in and get us $15 or whatever you can come back with, sir. We'll take it.

He got, I'm like, do you right, young bloods. He's going to liquor store 10 minutes and be walking around, come back out with some E&J and some Stoli. And four dollars change. Like, they're done good. When you turn, let me ask you question. You did say that, you know, when you're

working, you don't do, you know, you don't drink on the job. Why do you turn that that tequila shot down on New Year's? Oh, you're talking about the The CNN. So, you know, they're always drinking on New Year's Eve in CNN. You know, Andy Cohen, Anderson Cooper, and everybody was drinking. They had us out there.

It was too close to the Don Lemon Fire. Yeah, yeah, Don. And Don used to get drunk the right way and can keep it journalistic. And I felt like at the time, I'll just be real. If we're being blunt, I'm new to this network, this is my, I'd only, we, I think we'd only been on there 10 episodes yet. Okay. We hadn't even got to re-up for the next 10 episodes.

I don't want to drink with y'all. I don't want to be that comfortable yet in this space when I don't necessarily know my place within the hierarchy. Also, journalism is way more catty than Comedy Central or, like, any entertainment. Just the world of journalism, like any TV station, way more catty than a cable show or a sports locker room or whatever job you work at reality TV, what have you. It's a lot of caddiness. It's a lot of whispering.

It's a lot of behind the backing going on. And so I don't believe at any place that I work where I didn't create it that I'm safe. Wow. So I'm the host of a show on a Saturday night. The show we do now, I Have I Got News for you. it's a remake of a British show. And if you look at political satire in Britain, the host is the least important part of the machine.

Wow. It's the co-hosts that are stars, the guests that are star. The host job is just to keep everything on track. You're kind of a Van der Waite, Kiki Shepherd, with respect to those two. I've met them both. Your job is a little bit more just stay in the middle.

Well, if I'm just stay in the middle, then I'm the most replaceable. Yes. without changing the machine that you've built. So I don't know if I want to drink with you, my fucking shit. I don't feel safe. Now, if I'm going to CNN offices and my name is up there, I'm on the mural.

You know, you're in a TV saying they got the mural with all the niggins that done a good job. It'd be me, Abby Phillips, maybe Jake Tapp. If I'm on the mural in the hall, are we good? I'll pull up. But I'm new here. I don't know, y'all.

I'm not going to be just on TV. drank it like that. What did you learn from the Don Lemon Fire? He had been there for 17 years. He'd been, I mean, he'd been held in bare high esteem. He'd been done a great job. I think he does a great job. What did you learn? Because I think he said something about the fighting because I think he said like Nikki Haley is Pastor Prime. And maybe they used that. Well, that's what they said. But was that the reason? But they're saying what the reason might be is two different things. I think if you really look at it, knowing what we know now about Now that we're post Jimmy Kimmel, I think that a lot of, and even Amber Ruffin and her beef with the White House Correspondents Association with them pulling her off the dinner because they wanted her to be both sided with her jokes, I think that what happened to Don Lemon was really a precursor to some of the media censorship that we see starting to happen now where you have particular organizations that are going to, you know, try and make a particular head role or settle up. a lawsuit with the administration, all in the sake of making sure that the messaging is a little more centrist and a little bit more on brand for whatever will benefit the company's bottom line. I think a lot of what Don Lemon was starting to say at that network, and keep in mind, this is also after Don had gotten into it with Vivek Ramoswamy on the air.

And they were told, hey, keep the questions over here. But Don was like, nah, the meat is over here. I learned a lot, you know, really, in a lot of ways, man, you know, because, you know, the Don Lemonfire and also showed me what the network, what CNN at that time under that leadership at the time was trying, the way they were trying to turn the network into, oh, let's be a little less liberal, let's try and be a little bit more centrist, Don, if you start getting out of line, we're going to put the heavy hand on you. and I couldn't see all of that from the outside at the time. And, you know, when Don got fired, Don got fired the same week as Tucker Carlson, which was also the same week I did the White House Correspondence dinner. And I probably, I am probably,

I went harder at Don than I should have at that time. And we tight work now, and to Don's credit, because he was the one who reached out to me, and we talked a little bit about it. And he goes, here's what you're not seeing. Here's what's not. Here's what you need to be more. He filled in the picture.

for me. Okay. You know, I wrote a joke with, you know, one eye, you know, covered up. And so when I look at media now and then now being on, I guess, kind of the inside of the network, it's hard to say that I'm in the inside of CNN. I work on a Saturday, bro. Don't nobody be there. Right. You've been in the building on the way. I can steal shit. No, nobody. You know, you'd be in a building, just a motherfucking cubicle. They just got all these value. Just you were cleaning services. Yeah, yeah. I'm retired. from stealing. But, yeah, but I think, I think Don's firing showed us years ago, three, four years ago

where things were starting to head when we're talking about the idea of how much freedom of speech do journalists really have. But I think the thing is for me, if I turn into the weather channel, I expect to see the weather, if I turn into this channel, because they're trying to be something, Fox makes no bones about what they are, about who they are. You turn, when you watch their network, you're going to get what you expect to get. Yeah, but I also, but you also got to remember that a lot of these media habits were developed under two terms of Obama. So the idea of this being a liberal leaning thing, well, it's the popular thing right now.

So we're going to lean into what's popular. And then when that's not popular no more, then you start figuring out how to rejigger your network because people's taste change, people's political influence. influence has changed. And we have to stop thinking about corporations and media companies as these entities that have some sort of heart or have some sort of degree of sense of responsibility to the, no, big dog, we're here to make money. We need eyeballs so we can sell soap. I had an acting coach said, the real shit to me. She said, you are a soap salesman. Your job is to be so good that people don't change the channel when the commercial come on so they can be reminded to buy soap. Wow. That's it. That's it.

So if we here to sell soap, then they're going to constantly change. Like, even the type, like, if you look at what we have on our show, on my show now on Saturday nights, we had on Republican rep Mike Lawler, we had Tim Burchett, like, these are not good people, in my opinion. Right. Or these are not people who have voted in the interest of the public, in my opinion. Okay. And we have them all. I don't know if these are the same people

I would have been able to talk to if I worked at Daily Show, if I was still at the Daily Show, or if those are the type of people that we would have had on as a guest at the Daily Show. But I know for what we're trying to do on our side, we're trying to talk a little bit and joke a little bit with both sides.

I know a lot of people got a lot of opinions because they say you shouldn't platform no assholes, no crazy opinions and stuff like that, but that's what we choose to do. Have you come to the point, come to the realization to say, you know what, I'm going to have to change my way of thinking. I'm going to have to be more open-minded because in the past, ain't no way I could have sat down and had a conversation with you guys. Because you're so far for what I believe in and what I think is in the best interest of the people. But because of this time, as you mentioned, things are changing now.

The tides are changing. The winds are blowing in a different direction. Do you feel that, you know what, you've had to change your thinking? I think I've had to change my degree of tolerance. Oh. But I don't think it changes my opinion. I think one big thing that I would love to see happen in media is that there's less conversations with pundits and political influencers and more conversations with constituents. Oh, okay.

And the people who. So you like the town hall set-ups? Yeah, but even more man on the street. Like, I love what Don Lemon's doing now. Don Lemon out there taking it to the folks. Yeah, he out there. Next, no security either. Don, get you a, get you a in a tight shirt to protect you, brother. But the idea of just, well, Trump's the president, so I guess I got to explain to me why I should not have slavery in my museums.

Please tell me. It's the African American History Museum. History means encompassing the entirety or as much as you want to encompassing. Compass. History, not his story. Yeah. Because they're trying to frame it as his story. It's day story. It ain't even his day. It's story now. It's day story. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to sit and listen to you, explain to me why this doesn't matter. I don't know how much common collected conversation you can have with somebody that's that steadfast. If we're talking policy makers. And folks that are like political pundits on either side of the issue, right? Because everybody got their talking points. Correct. And they're not deviating. But if you talk to a voter, most people are single-issue voters. Most people are voting on things that affect them directly, fiscally speaking.

But we didn't see that in this last election. People voted against their best interests, and now they're having revisionist history. Okay. And so then would you be more inclined to talk to them? because I feel like we would rather talk to the folks that influence those voters rather than just going to talk to. Go talk to the Latino for Trump who just got deported.

Some of them they talked to and they said they still wouldn't still wouldn't vote for common. Exactly. I'm looking at the farmers. The farmers, farmers for Trump. Now, China just signed a deal to get soybeans from someone else. They're not buying our soybeans.

And now, you know, we hate, we hate socialism. We hate welfare. Well, they call it welfare when it refers to us, but they call it subsidies when it refers to somebody else. Correct. Now they're about to get subsidized, about to get bailed out. Everybody's for it. Just like the banks. Oh, now, hold on.

I thought you didn't like when somebody got something for nothing. Well, that's different. That's different. That was the blacks. I'm a good white of marriage. It's supposed to happen to me. I'm white. I mean, that's the biggest magic trick that rich people pool is getting poor white folks to think that

They were one of them. They bought it. You're not. They bought it. You're not. I think that you have a better chance of having conversations with people who vote than members of the media. If we're talking about trying to change the country in any way, you know, I don't know how much we gain anymore from, let me have a sensible conversation. But you, we bring them on CNN.

We're going to crack these jokes on your ass. And if embarrassment works cool, if not, cool. But the idea of, I can't remember who it was or why it was, but Obama had like a beer, it was called the Beer Summit or Obama sat down. Oh, yeah, when the police officer and Henry Lewis Gates. Yeah, and Gates had been on Obama's neck. Can't man have a smile. So this idea of let's all sit down and kumbaya, okay, maybe.

But I just think both sides, I think we're in a race right now to see which side can activate their voters more. The apathetic voters. Yes. I don't think you're flipping people right now. Yeah, people, people that have decided,

there's nothing that he can do to turn them off, and I'm not so sure there was anything that she could have done to turn them on. You ever met anybody in despair, though, bro? Like legitimate hopelessness to the point where they have no choice or they feel they have no choice.

but to buy a lie and then the embarrassment of saying that you're wrong was too great so you have to buy the next lie and the one after that so of course a farmer is never going to come out right and go yeah I didn't I didn't know that this was going to happen because they're going to get slapped in the face what I told your souls to know in and they're too scared of the embarrassment and I'm not going to be the one to tell liberals yeah you shouldn't be mean to the people that are suffering who voted for Trump. Well, they're suffering, too. You're passing law.

Like, if the administration is passing laws that make you feel a certain kind of way, yeah, I'm a hate on you for voting for them. Yeah. So I get where that comes from. Get that shit out your system. I think there's a lot of behavior policing. I just think we six months, not even.

Yeah, yeah, we are. We're almost a year into what's going to be, you know, another three years it is. Yep. So you got to figure out. away once you're past getting all that yelling out your system now that you're broke and now that you need some help on your farm then you come back into your hey how can i help you but i think that most people would rather buy a lie because it's more calm it's more peaceful this matrix blue pill

you know it's it's easier to exist in the calm of of being wrong Because being right means that you have to admit that you were wrong. I can't admit that. I mean, people are willing to do that. Freedom of speech as we currently, as we once knew it, is that only in the Constitution? Is that something that's going to be, is going to be able to stand the test of time because it looks like we're getting closer and closer to there is no such thing as freedom of speech? It's changing I don't

I would have told If you'd ask me a question a year ago I'd have been like I'm a friend of a speech is fine You can say whatever you want Whatever you want We'll see I can tell you this much

They're not going to touch the comedians You don't think so The comedians have too much influence over The ideology of voter Chappelle's and the Schultzes and the Gillises of the world, the 85 Salfors of the world, you know, comedians, you start trying to lock them up? Right.

Because they got the streets more than any politician does. And if you look at what happened with Jimmy Kimmel, that was one of the things where a lot of comedians, they didn't necessarily go at the administration, not all of them directly, but a lot of them sat and were like, yo, that's not cool. Yeah. I don't fuck with Kimmel, but that's not cool. Yeah. We're getting on a slippery slope here.

And then Kimmel's ass was right back on the air in under 72 hours. And all them demands that those TV station networks made, demanded that Kimmel do, they folded on that shit. Right. I don't think that, I think the administration for sure is stress testing, but honestly, you're not going to need to suppress anybody's freedom of speech if you control the messaging. Why do I need to, yeah, say whatever you want. I just won't book you on this show. So I hope you're YouTube tight.

I hope you got numbers over there. If the next star merger goes through and they gain control of almost 80% of local television stations, ABC-affiliated TV stations, then they control the messaging. Right. And I speak as, and I have a degree in broadcast,

and I worked in broadcast, and I worked in radio, so I'm not just talking out my ass. These stations are given national stories to carry. You can watch the local news in one market, and two-thirds of the stories, Oliver, John Oliver did a story on this years ago. Two-thirds of the stories in that market

are airing in every other market. so they can dictate what they feed you. So you can have your freedom of speech. But eventually, y'all, freedom of speech, it's going to be you on a corner, like one of them blow up. Like, you ain't, who's going to hear you? Who's going to. So you have to build.

You remember what it was, Roy, when he was growing up, you go to the grocery store. And there's a man, Jesus, he's coming, and he's standing on the soapbox. And he's coming, he had the literature, and he's passing out. It was just him by himself. And you looked at him like he was crazy.

You did. He looked at him like he was crazy. So I don't think freedom of speech is one thing. I think suppression of messaging is something that's a little bit more of a prevalent issue to me. And then when you start with AI, you start with disinformation, and you're confusing people who are too lazy to sit and go and do a double check or search. Freedom of speech is irrelevant. If I got the messaging a lot and you dumb enough to believe it and run with it,

we scroll and we look at everything through, through headlines man right clicks whatever the headline read okay that's it okay so you get a journalist who decides to tell the truth or press the issue on air like don lemon you just yank him off the air and put somebody else in who would you want to do your bidding so it it would require for humanity to truly advance, it would require a level of fiscal self-sacrifice that I do not believe most Americans are prepared to make.

You know, I talked about this a couple hours specials ago, but like, It's like fire ants, right? When there's a flood and a fire ant mound gets flooded. This was happening in Texas during some hurricanes. The fire ants all form a ball. And that joint floats until it gets to dry ground. Now while it's floating, it's constantly rotating.

So the on the bottom... They get some fresh air too. It's fresh air. And they rotate back down to the bottom. But periodically, some of them cats is going to drown. Yes. There has to be some sacrifice. But the colony survives.

Yes. And so if we're talking about people fighting against an administration or fighting against public ideology, then it would require more people all running up against that same buzzsaw. And in some degree, you know, a lot of people are hesitant. I don't necessarily believe that blind sacrifice is the only way to make progress. I think that there's, I think that there has to be a multi-pronged attack. But when you ask the question of, is freedom of speech under attack? Yeah, they're stress testing. This year is stress testing just what we can get away with.

You know, Charlie Kirk's, Charlie Kirk's widow is suing. I forget the network or the show. I think she's doing ABC. Yeah, it's ABC of The View. Somebody. For like 400 million? I don't know the number. I don't want to get sued.

either. It's telling you what I heard. Yeah. But the idea of the media being policed down to the comma, that's how we're going to get you. We're not going to say you can't say anything. We're just going to go, ah, technicality, want my money. And what's the corporation going to do? Corporation ain't fin to take this to trial.

Right. Sorry. We admit no wrongdoing. You admit that we did nothing wrong, and we wash our hands. and we wash our hands. It's 60 Minutes Trump, $16 million. Right. It's easier to settle.

So now, if you're going to say anything bad about me, I'm going to tax you. But you still got freedom of speech. Right. Now, if you're the company that just had to pay out, let's just say, Charlie Kirk's widow wins the money, she'd get the bread. Well, then the next time there's anything sideways or politically charged that needs to be said on the show, y'all going to get called into that meeting before the show.

Like, hey, motherfucker, y'all but shit. Yeah. All we going to say is this. Here's your words. Here's your words. And here. Freedom of speech, though, right? Right.

So I think that you create an atmosphere where the media is scared to touch on anything because they know that there's a fiscal consequence. And the employees are scared to touch on anything because there's a fiscal consequence. And the only thing you're going to be left with is comedians and podcasters because they're the ones who don't give a fuck. They already been broke. They already been slept in their car. So threatening them with unemployed. The comedy, stand-up comedy is literally committing to unemployment for three to five years to start.

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if you can't say anything negative about the president we're headed to Russia we're headed to China we're headed to North Korea we're headed to the because and I think that's kind of the direction that he's like

you shouldn't be allowed to say anything negative but that's not just about the president it's negative by anybody that supports his mission as well correct so that's where it's going to and that's why I brought the Charlie Kirk Widow situation

and it's not just her there's also all of other public officials that are going, oh, well, you said something about me. Well, maybe I can get a little bit of money, too. So do you make it illegal to say the thing? I think we are going to eventually be in a situation in this country where patriots are going to have to choose between their leader and the founding fathers and the documents they wrote up.

And we're going to see which one went? Well, black folks just along for a ride. This don't concern us. I mean, it does, but we ain't got no sense. it's just this is just watching white folks fight right that's really what politics is well it looks like the supreme court and listen to clarence thomas like anything that's been written can be challenged it just seems like anything that it's not he's saying it's not law so it's not the gospel nothing that's like oh my god so then if clarence thomas say nothing is gospel and he can go

well we can go back and look at any decision i thought supreme it lad that's it done boom we're never talking about this again right so if they can undo supreme court rulings at what point can they go you know what maybe we need to redo some of these amendments yes yes that's coming it's all stress testing everything right now is stress testing and there's really nothing you can do about it because they got a six three it's like when you date a girl and then you're trying to see how dumb she is and see what you can get away with okay you ain't gonna go with me on that one you treat all you women good. Okay, that's fine. My bad. My bad. You know what you do? I'm going to not

call her for two days and see if she get mad. And if she don't trip over, you're not calling for two days. You know you got a two-day window. Right. I'm talking too much. My bad. I'm sorry about that. Where are you on National Guard in the city? Where are you on the National Guard with the... What? Why would anybody be for that? Where are you on Wasting niggas time But you don't Look

D.C., they say Man, D.C. is the safest has ever been I ain't getting carjacked. Did you see the footage in Chicago Or the brother on the bike just riding past the National Guard? They walking down Miracle. I think it's called Miracle Mile, whatever it is down. The down time, the nice

The nicest bar. Yes, yes, yeah. Fuck crime is down here. But you won't go to South Shore with that nonsense, will you? No. You're not. And so, like, you're not going to go MLK and 55th with it, are you? You're not.

So stop acting like this isn't something. This is some big-ass theater, man. I feel bad for the National Guard soldiers, bro. Right. Because, like, people get mad at the Guard, like, they're the police. I'm in the National Guard. You signed that one weekend a month, two weeks a year, to fix a tank and get some college education.

My name won't be here either. Yeah. And the problem is that the national. National Guard dressed in the same cameo as the SWAT and the police. Right. So we're just as mad at them as that because they are being used as. So you believe this is a political theater? Absolutely.

And I do not like the fact that people who have taken the oath to die for this country are being told to walk past a fucking lids on Michigan Avenue to make sure nobody's still in fitted caps. Because that's what's happening. in Chicago right now. And I think that using our military for that purpose, it's backwards as

dumb and stupid. All of the ICE stuff is backwards and dumb and stupid, just in general. But the idea of having that presence, it should also tell you just how easy it is to get the public opinion of people

because, yeah, D.C.'s the safest it's ever been. But you know what else make people say? parks and sports literacy programs jobs yes and you know what that stuff needs money so the same money you use to pay a whole platoon you could have done more literacy with the second and third grade as you get kid there's statistics my ministry is literacy youth literacy and sports right because in Birmingham those are the two things that have really helped to turn around some of the crime in the city.

You get kids reading on grade level by the third grade. They less likely to be hungry or homeless. They less likely to end up in jail. So you want to stop crime. Start way down there. So don't tell me that this is fighting crime. Okay, cool, but is this the only way to fight crime? It's silly and it's nonsensical, man.

And it's theater and it's inviting open government harassment to the point where it potentially becomes normalized. And that's not good. You know, they're talking about the Guard in Portland. They're talking about the Guard and National Guard going on tour. Like, these are regular folks. Are they still in L.A.? I don't know because they never stay with the story long enough.

They show you the Guard there. They never show you them leaving. Right. And that might be an indictment on the media, but I don't agree with it. Like, the short answer is, I think it's stupid to deploy soldiers your military to police your own citizens. To police your own citizens. I'm interested to hear what you have. How we are the, I guess, our GDP is through the yin-yang.

Why do we have the mass shootings that no other country has? Why? Because we don't have the mental health care. all these other countries we'd be comparing ourselves to got jobs and got some health care and less shit for citizens to stress and worry about they also don't have nearly the degree of conspiracy theorists and people dealing with all types of mental health issues and isolation which in and of itself even the most sane person can be broken down if they're isolated long enough and that's what COVID did.

That's what a lot of remote work did, which, by the way, that's like one of the few things that Trump and Elon was talking about. I was like, all right, I give you that one. Get your ass back to work. Why don't want to go back to work? Because, man, people, for a lot of people, your office is the only place you see people.

Yes. You at home by yourself and then you work at a computer by yourself, then you get fired over Zoom, and then you come to the grocery store, and shoot me, that's fucked up. Yeah. I ain't do nothing.

Dug, the one fired you. Go to the building. It did how you call it? Shoot the people that you work with. Stop. There's a lot of mass shootings because they can't get to the people they want to kill. Some good cognate. Why?

How do you, let me ask you this. How do you call in sick to work and you work from home? I'm in the bed right there, man. You got the... Ron, you can't get nobody sick but yourself. But still. You wake up in your pajamas. I mean...

I'm not optimum. I'm not performing at my optimum. You know, but I really do think that America has a unique set of circumstances where there are a million different ways your life could be shit in this country. And there are a million. different solutions that are not functional and you can at some point have a degree of

hopelessness and taking a gun and killing strangers might be your only way of as you believe sensibly trying to I don't know alleviate that pain or to be seen that's a real crazy thing about shootings now is that we don't even righteously be naming the shooters no more like It used to be a time, and it sounds like a joke, but I'm not. Like, there used to be a time where if you shot a bunch of people, they would say your name, they would read your manifesto. And, like, it would be, it would be news for multiple days. It could be a shooting at noon that don't make the 6 o'clock news. It could be a shooting at 6 that don't make the 10 p.m. news because we don't care.

So the idea of even- Have you become that desicitized? Absolutely. even in murdering people you're still an unknown because it's such a norm and I think that comparing America to other countries is one of the most

backwards there's no other country like America's 50 fucking countries all connected so we do we do have a lot of different man in Switzerland diga Switzerland the size of Delaware. Shut the fuck up. It don't, it's not the same. And they're probably like 95% Swiss. Yeah. And they all ride bikes so that helps your health and your mental health.

Right. You can't get people to ride city buses in most cities that have decent transportation because I want my car. So they're just more stressors and there's less solutions in this country. And I think that's why mental health is so problematic. And just, and it's not just mass shootings. I mean, a lot of, a lot of domestic violence. violence in this country and violence against women. It's all rooted in a lot of the same causations, you know? And so a lot of the crime is rooted in that. And I think that's a big reason why crime here is so different.

That's why we have more people in prison than any other place on earth. More people on probation than any other place on earth. probation set up. I think with two million in their prisons, four, maybe five million people on papers. And probation don't mean you free. It's set up. One thing. We got you. And I say that as somebody that did three years of federal probation. Like that's not, it is not set up in any shape, form of way to encourage you or to make you better. I'm here because we just ain't figured out how to put you in there. Right. But I'm going to watch your ass

And the moment you give me a chance I'm going to put you in there I'll tell you what This is what I'm going to do there I'm going to make you president In 28 You're going to be the president Everybody out of prison but murderers

Rapists Charmaling Okay Get back to me But nonviolent Prison? No So the weed You open the doors for them

Absolutely. I'd legalize cocaine. Damn. Who's it? Who's it killed? I mean, you got the fentanyl in it, but that ain't, okay, you caught a bad batch. I'm sorry.

Damn, Roy. If we're talking about putting people in jail, bro, there was a story we tried to do on the Daily show that didn't get done, But there are owners of private prisons who are suing the states they are contracted to imprison people in because they don't have enough prisoners because the state got lax on some of their laws and decided to be more lenient on incarceration. So you have a state government that goes, all right, we ain't going to put as many people in prison. But the private company running the prison go, nah, motherfucker, you promised us 80% capacity. at all times we at 50% capacity go catch some niggas and bring them and put or reimburse me for the people that are not here and the state can't afford to do it so they locked up in court right now

bam every every every almost everybody in this country you're a commodity to someone else and you know if you make it me president the first thing i'm changing is incarceration i got i got very lucky bro i had i had a probation officer that actually cared about how my life ended up couple that being at fam you and the faculty and the stats so my pops used to teach a family my mama fam you my auntie fam you okay so it was enough folks in the faculty like I we're gonna bring you close and hold you close and make sure you don't slip up again and get expelled but I think that the idea of recidivism in this country is is it's pretty nonexistent it's all it's all setting you up got your stuff so my last year probation I was in so I stole credit

cards when I was in college. I know you're thinking cocaine trafficking. No, no, no, no. No on the credit. In college kids, credit cards or phone cards? You remember they used to do the phone card? MCI won't in a collect down down the center. You know why I didn't do that?

Because I thought phones was traceable and they were recording the calls and they'd do a voice match and catchment. So I knew people who was running the shit. So I had a work study in the campus post office. I steal credit cards at the post office. Damn! Take them to do the mall, buy shit, sell it on campus. for half price. I get caught, and this is to my point about recidivism, right? So I had,

it's too late, I can say, it's a statute of limitations. So when you're on federal probation, you're not supposed to leave the state ever. You leave the state for a birth of a child or the death of it. They got like a family tree of hear the dead people you can go bury. Mom, grandma. Yeah, exactly. My cousin? No, no, no, no, no. Stay your ass. in Florida. My last, my first two years of stand-up, my PO was like, if you come back that

night, you can go anywhere you want. So I could get away as far as Atlanta and get back and get a little travel permit for that type of stuff. And then my last year, I was given, this is year three, same year. I started doing stand-up after I got arrested. Okay.

You're depressed or whatever. And so that third year, I graduate college. and I want to move back to Birmingham. And he goes, well, if you move to Birmingham, you've got to transfer your supervision to the Birmingham Federal District. You can't stay in the Florida Federal District.

Now, mind you, at this point, my PO knows me, we got good rapport, I got a job, I'm wearing a Golden Corral, everything's straight. I'm traveling with anywhere within eight hours of Tallahassee, you know, every two, three days. You get a travel permit for up to nine days at that time. I go cool.

Well, I want to move home because I'm done in Tallahassee. Right. I call the Birmingham Division to get my probation transferred, and I'm explaining to the woman what I am, what I do, blah, blah, blah. Here's how we've been doing things in Tallahassee. Sir, I don't give a fuck what's been going on down there. You report here and you transfer here. You ain't going nowhere but Jefferson County.

I'm like, fuck, I can't even go to Tuscaloosa. And she was like, no, you can't. It wouldn't give me a reason. I got two years of paperwork that say I'm doing the right thing. I'm doing everything, right. Pour into me. Pour into these people.

You treat people in this country who've made a mistake like they're irredeemable. So they start acting that way. Right. But if you pour into them, you might just get a, couple of decent folks out of it and recidivism might actually work. I had to stay in Tallahassee another year, bro. I interned, I start Ricky Smiley that same year. Ricky leaves the radio station in Birmingham. Ricky's like my comedy old. We both from Birmingham. Okay.

And Ricky was the first person from the crib to make it in any capacity. So you saw Ricky and you go, all right, I can do it. Because he wasn't like Bo Jackson or Charles. Barclay or I mean Arsenio Halls from around the way like those people were just such God status right you ain't gonna be both but oh fuck Ricky huh maybe I can I get the internship at 957 in Birmingham while I'm still under the supervised probation in Florida which means every nine days I have to drive from Birmingham back to Tallahassee to run my piss to verify residents to do all my regular check-ins so essentially my first year in Birmingham was just a year-long visitation permit from florida because the

birmingham district would not give me any flex whatsoever so when i say i'm lucky man i really do feel that I feel like there's parts of our court system that they don't show. They show you cop catching criminal. They show your courtroom TV show. There never been anything on that I'd ever seen about probation officers. That's why I was trying to do that little comedy sitcom

about probation officers, because it really is social work to a degree. You know, and it's a lot of PO. that for no reason will violate people who don't deserve to be violated. And then at the end of the day, probation is even more dangerous because it's your word against a single person

who may just have a grudge against you today. And they can go, ah, he was late to work. He ain't serious about employment, Your Honor. I would recommend that they go back to be locked up. And then you go on for whatever the rest of your sentence was supposed to be. Just like that. They don't, they don't show

that part, of recidivism in this country and it's something that I think would help to change the public perception of criminality and the idea of making a mistake and then you redeeming yourself and you do it that's why I'm I talk about it out in the open anyway right because cast needs to know like your mistake ain't your destination that's a stop and I wish more people would show that and talk about that, but they don't. You try to make everybody out to be this irredeemable character, and that's how society starts treating you after a while.

You know, but I don't know, man. I just, I was really, really blessed, man. I was really blessed because my pops died when I was 16, and I just started getting guidance from just random guardian. You know, my book, I call it The Man of Many Fathers, because it just really was random people that just popped in, yeah.

But I wasn't seeking that out. It just, it happened. You have a, your comedy, you're one of the few. And, Chappelle, Rock,

rest his soul, Paul Mooney, Carlin, with these, could blend politics and comedy and make it a smooth, seamless transition.

Chappelle is unbelievable at it. Rock is unbelievable. at it. Mooney and Carlin is unbelie you have that gift. Did you choose, did that aspect of comedy, did it choose you or you chose it? Wow.

I think it chose me. Because everybody can't blend that. Everybody can't tie that in a nice bowl like that, Roy. I opened for Dick Gregory. Oh, Dick. I forgot about him. I don't know, man.

It was a while ago. It was at one of the bridge crossing jubilees and Selma for Bloody Sunday Memorial. And I just sat on the dais and just watched him just oscillate between pain and funny. And he kept him distinctly separated until the end. And like just, I know I'll never be able to do that, partly because of the era. When he came up in. He came up in. His scars are different from that.

I ain't got no scars compared to. to Dick Gregory's scars. So the reservoir of pain from which he was able to mine from and pull from, it's deeper, it's more rich. But, you know, I came up,

you know, shadowing my pops. You know, my pops, he was a civil rights journalist. And so my dad in the 40s and in the 50s, he was pretty much any radio station he I hired at, he was the first black. And he gets to Chicago. and he co-founds with a couple other gentlemen

the National Black Network, which at its time was the first black syndicated national news service. A collective of black reporters all pooling their stories together and then sending them out on the wire to other radio stations, to other black radio stations to air,

so that there could be some sort of cohesive message and sense of community about stories that were relevant to black people. So Waito Southerst out. Africa, Zimbabwe, Vietnam. Anything pretty much like from South Africa and riots in the 50s to about Rodney King. My pops covered it. Wow. They were the tape recorder, covered it. Did call in shows, community awareness shows. And so when I was a child, I would ride with my pops to the radio stations in the morning. So my parents didn't get back together until I was

in the third grade. So I got sent to Birmingham every summer before that. Me, me and my mom was still living in Memphis. We weren't even in Birmingham yet. And every summer, first grade, second, grade, third. I'm with my pops all summer, and I'm just shadowing him to speaking engagements. And he's interviewing Jesse Jackson and Farrakhan, just sitting and breaking bread with all of these, you know, deeply rich political people and white folks, too. He sat down. He sat with George, the old George, Daddy Bush, way back in the day. Like, he interviewed them all. And so I remember when I was 15, I got a learners permit,

and I used to drive my pops down to Montgomery. He had a talk show at Alabama State. Okay. And so he would do a Saturday morning call-in-show at Alabama State. And I would just sit in a cut. I'm on the Game Boy, and you think you're not absorbing this shit. But he's just taking call after call from the community and offering solutions, offering a pulpit for people to vote.

voice their grievances, allow black people to feel heard and seen. And I get to college and I'm like, man, I want to be Stuart Scott. I'm going to talk about this heavy shit. Right. Because that's all I came up in. And then on top of that, you live in Birmingham, everything is black. It's a 75, 75% black city. School was predominantly, every school I went to was predominantly black.

I went to the black-owned boys and girls club. I went to the black church, black boys, everything black. Then go to black ass fam you, everything black. So I was like, well, I just want to analyze the world. But once I hit my 30s, man, and then when I had my son, switch flip. I don't know what happened, but you started looking at the world like, oh, okay. Through a different lens. Yeah.

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You tried to avoid it, but you couldn't help it. Can't. This is how, like, entrenched. And I've told the story before, but I'll tell it to you because I'm sure you don't know it. Like when I tell you my pops was like entrenched in veteran black people, that's all he was dedicated to. That's all that mattered to him. One of the reporters he hired at WVON in Chicago was a dude named Don Cornelius. And so Don was a police officer. And he pulls my pops over and my pop's trying to get out the ticket go,

you got a nice voice. Which, I don't know if, that's not how I would get out a ticket. That's all I'm going to say. He gives Don his card. Don hit him back a year later. And Don started working at the radio station as a reporter. And that became Don Cornelius's entry into the world of media.

Now, at some point in the midst of all of that, he does his homework on, Don Cornelius does his homework on television, and Dick Clark. and he comes back to my pops and a couple of folks and goes, yo, give me a couple thousand give me some money. I'm going to shoot a pilot

for a show that I think could be dope. I'm going to call it Soul Train. The Hip Diso in America. Yeah, it's just going to be Dick Clark, got an American bandstand. Why can't we have black people dancing? So my pops was one of the people

that gave Don Caneas to front money. Seed money for that. To shoot Soul Train. Wow. Don Cornish goes, shoot Soul Train pilot. Can't sell that. Nobody abide.

he can't put no ads on it so he ain't got his money to pay people back my pops comes to Don he goes hey man it's been a minute when the fuck we give my money back right and don goes well tell you what instead of giving you your money back why don't I make you one of the producing partners and soul train I think this could go a long way Roy and I think it's going to be a good investment and I think it's going to be something that really changes the culture to which my father replied motherfucker

don't nobody want to watch dance for an hour give me my fucking cash Don Caneas broke the ball but if your dad had to talk to you wouldn't

but see then if he'd be to talk to my Roy you wouldn't be Roy now I understand that but I tell that story to prove the point of just how focused my father was on black America. He grew up Atlanta, Georgia in the 1930s. My grandfather, who I never met, got snatched up when my dad was four, never came home again. So you know what that is. Moved to Chicago with his mama, no head of household, no male head of household.

no male head of household ever again in his life. So you grow up in the streets like that with a single mom and then you see every single atrocity that you can name. Your friends murdered, assassinated, people that you broke bread with, people that you covered in the 60s,

one of the most trying decades for black folks. The heart of the civil rights. And then a motherfucker who come to you and go, hey, what if black people be dancing? People, like, get the out my face. You don't understand what's happening out here. But the truth of the matter is that

Soul Train was right on time because black people needed a release. We deserve that. But my pops couldn't see the vision, man. He couldn't see it because he was just so entrenched in the problems. Your comedy and

going back and studied, you said something very interested and I never even thought of it until you said it. You said nobody gave it damn about the vice president until a female got to, until a woman got the job. And then all of a sudden the vice president who really is a figurehead. All she does is break

the tie. If there's a 50-50 tie in the Senate, she'll break. But that's really that's- Show up at the middle school, wait for the kids. That's really, that's really their only job. Yeah. But now I've never seen a vice president

get as much criticism. President Biden is the president. And it seems like everything that he got wrong, it was her fault. And she had to take the brunt of it. Yeah. I mean, it's a better question for a black woman. But the ones I've talked to have been like,

that's what we've been trying to tell you. I don't think that, I don't think Kamala got a fair deal. And she talks about that a little bit in her book. I haven't finished it. 107 days. and she breaks down the whole run of what happened. You know, like, I don't even think we talked about a vice president.

Who's the boy that shot the one in the face? Cheney. Dick Cheney shot somebody in face. We're like, all right, we got to talk about him. Dan Quill couldn't spell a word back in the 80s. Like, all right, we got to talk about him. But, you know, no, I don't think that Kamala Harris got, I don't think she got a fair deal in her election run.

Whether you love her or not, whether you voted for or not, the idea of, hey, motherfucker, you hear something real quick? Y'all gave her the ball on her own two-yard line with no timeouts. Pull a John Elway, go down the field and win the game and the drive at 1986. Yeah, yeah. And then when you don't, we go, you're terrible. It's all your fault. Ain't no wonder she's been laying low.

all this time damn yeah the black said well you know when President Trump his first term in office man the money was flowing

we got them stim-ins everybody the unemployment was down hey man we're jig is up hey man we were doing unless you flipping bitcoin with them

you ain't making no money with Trump right now but that's what they said they said the black they did so much better under president trump than they did president just the average black vote yes okay yeah i could go with that like i understand that like that which that just goes back to what i was talking about earlier man politics is personal i give about the world for if i'm hurting but if somebody broke bread with me when i was down i ain't going to never forget that think about when you was down and

Who was there for you and who gave you a dollar or who gave you a bite of a burger? Split the pizza with you. Right. There's an undying loyalty to people like that that extends well beyond politics, especially with black folks, because most people don't fucking help us. So I could get why Trump giving you a stimmy. But it was Congress, a Democratic Congress, that passed out those things. Okay, I ain't got time for the facts. You're talking to me about facts.

Trump name on the check. on the check that's enough for me that's enough for you are but that goes back to the idea most people don't want to know truth and facts and information so if you can figure out a way to attach yourself to the lie and they buy it you won yes we got it like politics is getting to a place where I feel like liberals are constantly trying to well no no no that's not what it was. That's not what that was really actually it was the there's no effective way to deliver a well actually. You just got to tell your lie. Make you a lie bigger than their lie because that's what's selling right now. But that's not ethical. And I think, but I think

that a lot of people still believe that there is a way to win ethically. And I think that if you can when unethically then govern ethically then maybe there's a way to run that back but the idea you're not going to get black folks or poor white people to understand well actually congress if you understand the disbursement of checks and how things are actually allocate all i know is that i was broke and somebody in government gave me that money and the president is considered the head of government therefore the president gets credit Period. I don't care that Trump had his signature added to this chase. And that's the truth.

It is absolutely. But you're trying to get, you're trying to permeate people with truth who don't have the time or the patience or the desire most of the time. Correct. We're smart people. We're very smart people. I'm not going to call them dumb. I'm just impatient and you're starving and you hurting. And so you figure out ways to sell a lie.

This administration has done a brilliant, brilliant, like they've shown you the blueprint of how to get people to believe blindly. Folks saying, go Trump as they're getting loaded into the ice van. What kind of, that's a level of dedication. And four generations of the farmers are starting. to lose their farm. They're going to go belly up because nobody's buying their soybean. Nobody is buying their wheat. Nobody is buying their products. And they're about to lose because

they can't pay for that farm equipment. They can't pay for that fertilizer. And they have all those crops. They can't sell. I think that I will say this. I think that both sides stand to gain more of a political advantage by activating passive voters. But you're definitely not going to flip anybody without empathy. And I think that what we've seen right now in this country over the last year or two, there is no empathy from liberals to Republicans. It's very much around and find out you got what you deserve. Ah, ha, ha, ha. Don't call black women. Okay, cool. But then the plan, if that's the play, then the plan needs to be, how do you activate all the other people who don't believe that the party didn't have a plan? And I think that's the part that, that's

a solution that nobody's presented. You can't keep writing letters and reprimanding the president. You know, and vice versa. You're not going to get sympathy from Republicans to liberals. No. I mean, D.L. Hugley said it best when he was talking about how people were, there was no sympathy, the way the George Floyd jokes flew in comparison to the way that people were telling jokes about Charlie Kirk.

Well, you're never going to get those. people, you're never going to get the empathy. Or Trayvon Martin. People had the Trayvon Martin costume. They had the Skittles and they had the stuff and it was funny. Correct. And so, so with everything that happened with Charlie Kirk, the expectation of empathy from, from liberals from that side, it's an unrealistic expectation. You may want the empathy, but there are a lot of people who still forever are going to feel some kind of way. And I think that a lot of those feelings people are going to carry to their graves and i don't know if there's a policy that any democrat could flip that's going to that's going to flip a moderate republican without losing without losing some liberals yeah because there's

a lot more morals uh on a democratic side and so when you've got morals and you need to let go of some of your morals to reel in some of the republicans i think you stand to lose more you know Democrats. So I don't know. It's a rock and a hard place. Where are you on protesting? I'd go to Canada, but I'm a felon. They'd be true. Every time I go to Canada, I got to fill out a gang of paperwork and promise I ain't going to steal nothing.

Man, you still on paper? No, but Canada don't care. Like, yo, it's a lot of countries. When they find out you did dirt in America, they think that you like the master criminal. They think you that French shit from Netflix. What are, Lupin? Lupine?

I forget the brothers. I try to use actors real names because then that's how black people just call you that forever. But yeah. What do I feel on protest? Yes. Because you see how, I think it was Pastor Jamal Bryant. He asked, you know, look here, since Target is getting rid of that DEI,

don't worry about it. Let's not go to that thing. And it's killed their stock. Yeah. So there's still power in the protest. Yeah, absolutely. There's still power in voting with. your dollars.

Yes. All of this is a form of protest. It's all fiscal. That's why any corporation, if you look at what Target did during George Floyd, and it's like, oh, well, we will have the programs

and the initiatives, and we will hire blacks, and we will study why we are racist, and we will read Dr. Ibram X. Kendi, we'll read your book. Tell me why I'm a racist cracker, Ibram X. Like, and it wasn't just target.

All of these companies made all of these promises and we're going to do the thing. And then an administration came in and said, we're going to fuck up your cash if you don't stop fucking with them niggas. And then it's a business decision. And it always was. Yes. Because four or five years ago, it was, if you don't show us that you don't care about black people in DE and I, we're going to f*** up your cash. And now all these. these companies, man, they're getting stuck up

from both sides. That's what ABC and Disney dealing with with the Kimmel fiasco. How do we play the middle? Yeah. If you better let go of Jimmy Kimmel or we're going to mess up your merger. Paramount CBS. Oh, y'all

aired a clip of me kind of edited but unedited. All right. Well, watch this. You're going to pull that 60 minutes report and you're going to give me $16 million. Or I'm not. going to let your merger go through and I'm gonna fuck up your cash yeah it's all a heist bro and I'm not I think the failure we have made as black people is thinking

that corporations has humanity you're about I was about to say morals you can manipulate them yes and you can have the upper hand and you can gain leverage and you can get what you want and it can help advance society and make the world a better place. But just know that the only reason they probably did it was because you had the gun to the head. It's not a coincidence when you look at the increase,

the deft of DE and I and the increase of black women unemployment in this country. Because it's not just necessarily black women that were hired to run whatever DEI initiative for a company, but a lot of those black women were hired under the guise of this program. Even though you were perfectly qualified, yes.

We put your hire under this umbrella with this grant and paid you with this initiative instead of just leaving it. I think that that part of it is, I think protests are effective. I just don't think that we should continue to assume companies to be. be as quick to kowtow they're not protesting was easier back in the day like we talk about

sit-ins and all of that shit that's because it was just jimmy's dinah like yeah you can shut down jimmy but to effectively protest something now yeah they got they got 1500 3 000 yeah and you connected a million that that's why i knew white folks weren't going they was going unfold on that Bud Light protest they were like when Bud Light had the trans actress yeah and they were all oh we ain't drinking Bud Light

they were shooting the cans and shit you know how many different liquor brands are run by Anheuser Bush and Bill it's like 20 20 or so brand are you really that dedicated you're not

you're not going to do you get the speaking of protest did you get the the George Zimmerman paper protest email when that happened? I don't have email, so no, I wouldn't know. What the fuck? I don't have email.

Okay. Jordan has email, my sister has email, so they'll send it to me in a text one. That's fair. Like Bill Murray, you know, Bill Murray just got a phone with an answer machine and he checks it every day. Okay. And that's how he gets gigs. No, there was an email. I don't know if this was true.

but I got this email it was supposedly a paper company was funding George Zimmerman's defense fund at the time and we got an email

and it said boycott this paper company and it was like 30 different brands of paper and picnic and plates and coats and forth don't buy

none of this shit don't buy it was like 20 different toilet tissues and I wanted to reply to the email well how am I going to wipe my ass

What am I mean out of my hand? You got to give me alternative options. I say that to say the idea of protesting is something where you have to be much more steadfast than what I think our ancestors had to be because there's also a serious degree of convenience with a store-like target. I live three blocks. from a target in New York City and walk past it and it's like

fuck I know it's in there yeah I need that shot with you yeah yeah I do think that protesting is it's still effective

but I do think that there is a degree of I don't want to say a lack of unity across our race but there's definitely people who are just going to, but I'm not with that, I ain't doing that. Right. People forget the Montgomery Bus Boycott was a year.

Like, it was a long time. Like, it wasn't three weeks and the way folks folded. It was carpools and it was different. And the sanitation boycott that they had down there? Yeah. Same game. People actually think it like with like a, no,

it was a long, long period of time. That's also because a lot of boycotts now are top of the news cycle and then they fall off and nobody else is talking about it after that but you know you hope Target does the right thing

there's a lot of companies that have backpedal let's get to your career dating scene now because you was once married we're going to talk about your you're we weren't married but we moved like we were

oh you weren't efficiently no no but we made we were we were solid so we moved like that right so what's the dating scene now to Roy Wood junior now i work bro i've been so in other words you tried so that's what you tell him i work now because they say well you wanted if you wanted to find time you could find time you find time for your son that's my son you know that what it is that what they tell you yeah yeah i have i have met i've been

blessed i'm blessed now with the eyesight to know when it is a good woman Okay. And I've met one or two, but I also have enough sense to know of what it is I'm trying to build right now. Right. And I think what I underestimated and being single again was the idea of also quitting my job at the same time. I quit daily show around the same time. Yes. And I didn't know what the fuck I was going to do next.

And I still have a family to support Together or not, we remain a family We remain a unit You remain the most important person in my ecosystem Because you're helping me raise the boy So there's certain things that have to be provided for So yeah, I'm going to work right now And back to what you were talking about at the top of this, man

about the flowers, I can't stop to smell them because I got to keep going. If I stop, the wheels come off of all of this. Right. And I don't know if that's a pressure that men put on themselves unnecessarily, but it don't change the truth.

It is, because you feel you have a sense of responsibility. Yeah, but it's the truth. People are calming on you. Yeah, absolutely is. So, to be in a space where I can never again be waiting on someone else to choose me, which is what happened at the Daily Show. Yes. So to get in that space requires a level of focus and work as the industry that I love

starts to change and crumble. Oh, I'm going to do daily show and then I'm going to get me a late night show. Now, no more you ain't. Late night show where? this is the last licks yep jimmy phallin kimmel them the last licks that's it ain't nobody else coming in and doing i don't know what's going to be next but it ain't going to be that land CNN cool write a book cool sell to tv shows write a movie cool you just start putting pots on the stove pots on the stove how many irons can you have in the fire i don't know

but i can tell you that figuring out taking one off to put in a relationship and not being sure if that's going to work and knowing that if any of these other pots fail, bigger ecosystem that I have a higher responsibility to first suffers. Son will never suffer. My son is my only child. So you're going to be straight.

Now, I can't do this alone, but, you know, it's hard when you're grinding, man, and you're trying to figure out relationships, because you almost need someone to just merge in with you in traffic this idea of stop and courtship and it's a merger huh i've never dated under this degree of industry pressure before and i don't know how to handle it because i don't have anything to recreate last time like when i met my son's mother i was sitcom and just got canceled i'm on ESPN for free two days a week praying that they gig lead me to get another college gig Shout out to Sports Nation and Jamel Hill, his and hers. Bermani Jones just to put me, like, just praying one of them, 3 p.m. ESPN shows. Hit and give you something else.

How much of what your father, how your father was to you, has rubbed up on you to how you are to your son? Not a lot. Maybe. Maybe how I am the women. Maybe some of that. So for perspective, I'm the ninth of, my mom's only child, I'm the ninth of 11 kids.

So your dad had... A lot. Yeah. A fucking. So is that what called separation between your dad and your mom? To a degree. Yeah, a little bit. I got two young and halves.

You do the math. But I think how my father carried himself professionally was what rubbed off on me. I care about black people. I use humor to try and tell our stories and to humanize our experiences to educate people who wouldn't have otherwise paid attention to what we were going through, period, full stop.

If you look at the body of work that I've built over the last decade, it would support that thesis. where it comes to parenting my pops wasn't around a lot because he was out working or he was with his other family you know one of one of the toughest things i had to you know if you bring it back to the breakup right you start thinking about what your responsibility is to your child and how you plan to build him up what that values am I going to give him? Okay.

And one of those things has to be how he treats women. Well, he's going to learn that from seeing how I treat women or how people treat his mother. Whatever that dynamic is, I'm oblivious to it. So I can only be concerned with the time. Correct. With my side of the equation. And the more I looked at love and the more I looked at, how to show my son love, my parents didn't sleep in the same room.

Truth of the matter is, we in Memphis, I'm wilding out, there's no man in the house. My mom reconciled with my pops to make sure there was somebody in the house to knock my ass out when I started jumping bed. In exchange, free rent, take the money you save, put yourself through law school so you can get out of this situation. And that's what my mama did. That's where my mom worked on. That's what her focus was grad school, degree. degree degree mm-hmm but most nights my pops wasn't home and so when I started thinking about the life I wanted to construct for my son and I started thinking

about well damn if I'm gonna show him love where the fuck did I see it mm-hmm what the fuck what was my example of love you had a roof over your head you had food on the table yeah but a lot of men think that's enough they that's how and in the black community, that's how we grew up. Clothes on your back, food in your belly, roof over your head. What the fuck else? That's love. I paid a cost to be the boss.

In fences, you remember Denzel when he told his son that very story? I lived that. And so the more when I had my son, the more I reflected on it, the more I realized that the best example of love I had was with my pops and his other woman. It's the best example of love, he loved her. For whatever issues he had with my mom, it was in love. But when I really sit and think about how he treated that woman, that's who he was out with.

He brought you around her? Just be around my younger brothers. Yeah. Yeah. So he had how many kids with this other woman? Two. I had two younger halves. Yeah.

So you had two with her? My older half siblings, we were never really that. We're cool now. Okay. But in terms of every day seeing them, no. The two youngers, I saw them on the rig. On the reg. He scooped me up.

My pops had scooped me up from soccer practice. Go scoop them. We go to Dairy Queen, stuff like that. Wow. And so I had to call my two younger brothers and talk to them about what was lifelic. And this is a conversation I've never wanted to have with them. But I got to have this conversation.

If I'm going to be better to myself. son. Hey man, walk me through what Pops was like at your crib. On the nights he didn't come. He wasn't with you, your mom. What was he like? Damn. And they described a man I never met. So, so you got an opportunity to see him when he was with your mom. So when they're explaining to you, I mean, he was home. He was at the dinner table. He read the stories. Checking home. What? Go into their games, bro.

Oh, my God. My pop's never did that. And so... That, man, Roy, that had to hurt. But you don't, but you don't unpack it. Imagine being 38 in the delivery room. I'm packing that shit in real time while you holding your newborn. Because these are things I've never had to consider.

I've never had to consider showing him love because I had a kid. But now I have a kid and I go, well, damn, he needs love. Okay, well, I am here. And I didn't learn it from my pops. So who did I... My aunt J.P. and Uncle Rick, They love each other, but I ain't around them on a regular. My boss is buried next to that one.

She died three years before my dad. My dad got his and hers plots. Plots in Syria. And we didn't even know he was being buried next to her until we was walking the casket up to hill. That's love. You can be mad about it or you can be sad about it. You can take the game and figure out how to apply that to your child. A woman he came home to every night.

So if nothing else, it gives me a blueprint of what I should be looking for and what I should want out of a woman and what I should want within a relationship. She loved his funky draws. He loved hers. And that wasn't the case at our crib, and that's just what it was.

When your father passed, was your mom still alive? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom still alive right now. So you have to look at, and I really didn't unpack all of this with my mom, but you have to look at it as, as I've looked at it, you're in Memphis, you're in law school, or you're in grad school at the time. I'm a latchkey kid, bro. We got there. We almost set the apartment complex on fire in the third grade and I almost got evicted. So I'm wild.

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things I have to do, because I follow my two younger brothers, like, love them. Love them to death. I follow them on social. Father's Day, Pops' funeral day, Pop's birthday.

I usually don't go on social on those days. Because they're talking about a man that you never knew. Never know. They posting pictures with this man, and these are old-school Polaroids that's got the date at the bottom. I can look at the date of the picture and tell you whether or not the heat was on at our house, because my parents was arguing and pops and pulled. You know, so the idea that I can even learn what type of father I can,

could be from watching through his lens he was damaged you were damaged and you saw comfort through women and sex and you were superb at your job top of your game correspondence dinner when I got done a bunch of black journalists who were there at the correspondent's dinner came up to me and were telling me about how my pops gave he was there they were their their job was working for my dad, five, six people, people who used to work at National Black Network, which eventually became A-Ur-R-N, American Urban Radio Network. That company exists because of my fucking pops and the other people he co-founded with. And they came up to shake my hand and told me, thank you.

And, like, that was a level of respect that, I don't know if I'll ever do anything as valuable as that. So you still, you can be mad at this man or you can learn from it. Because either way, you're still going to be in his shadow. Yeah.

I didn't go by Roy Wood Jr. until he died because I knew it fucked with him. It was the only thing, it was the only thing that I knew just fucked with my dad. But did you think for a second,

Roy, he gave you his name. He gave you his name. He didn't give it to the others. Give me your time. Fuck your name. Tushay. But the idea of, I remember I came home in the yearbook,

he had Roy Wood. He goes, your name is Roy Wood, Jr. And I just didn't want to, like, I just hoped that, like, people didn't know or would assume that I wasn't related. And then when he died, he died my senior year at high school. And I was like,

I carry it now. I carry the torch. So you did grow up with some level of resentment towards your father? A little, but it didn't. It came out after I had my son. Because you start, you have your child, bro. And then you start thinking about everything you're going to do with your son. That your father didn't do with you.

And then you realize you never did it with you. you. And you like, damn. The one thing he did give me that I did appreciate, he made sure that I knew who he was and what he stood for, and that's through being able to shadow him and be around him. But you're only getting half of a person when they get you at work, when you get your parents at work. But I'm grateful for that. And I try to do that with my son, you know, I don't take him everywhere. He knows I do comedy. He knows I'm on TV and some capacity. His classmates' parents' telephone game gets back to him about, oh, his dad is just the thing. But, you know, I try to give him a degree of space away from all of this. Also because it's

politics and it's funky and I just don't want to be young. You deserve to be young, you know, beyond man. But I don't think that resentment gets you anywhere if you have issues with your father. I think you literally have to look at who the man was and just pick the little pieces get rid of the rest. You remember you was a kid, your mama cooked something you didn't really didn't like and she put stuff in there, you just pick out the pieces.

You pick out, you pick out the stuff that you like out of the dish? My mama put bell peppers in her tuna and when I tell you, I used to pick them a little bell, and she mints them up really. My grandmother did that with hamburger. She put onions in the ham. Like in the meat. She mixed it in the, ah, yeah.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But that's why I'm grateful, bro. I'm grateful that I had so many men that just that God put in my life, that poor knowledge of poor game, be it once, be it multiple times. Like, that was, I think that's where I really learned how to love. was like just being a reflection of taking my own experiences out of it when have i seen a man be kind and soft with a woman okay there all right take the note all right cool i need to make

sure i feel that with her and then i can better identify whether this is somebody i should be with and that helped it really like i hate to say it but Having that conversation with my younger brothers, it helped me immensely in being able to love my son. But let me mention, did you, when you talk to her and people say, you know, communication, you know, be honesty, be honest, be transparent. When you, I don't know if you did or you didn't, when you talked to your uncles or you saw people that had been married and that had been in love, does that better help you understand or paint a picture of what you should be looking for in a mate that you could be. potentially be your wife my uncle my uncle Derek he lost his wife um this in the 80s um drunk driver

he heard the crash from his house and it devastated him and I remember going to my aunt Mary's funeral and seeing my uncle cry over the casket and he had you know he had a he had about a five 10 year stretch after that because he's also ex-military you drop in some PTSD in that mix along with grieving as a widower. He had a rough stretch. Yes. I just say that. He had a really rough stretch

that he came out of and seeing what he became without her helped me understand what she was to him. That's love. And I think through those painful moments, you're able to mind something that's beautiful, man. I'm not, you know, we all wish we could have got a better hand with our parents.

I don't care what kind of parents you got. You wish they was more this or more of that. But, you know, what really helped me was going on finding your roots and learning so much new information about my dad and the idea that, oh, I get it. You lost your dad. You didn't have no game. Nobody gave you game.

I was about to say. Then you get a debilative injury in high school. My pop's got hit by a car chasing behind the girl that just broke up with him. Hip replacements for the rest of his life. Walk with a limp, the rest of his life. How you think that informed his opinion of women? What you think walking with a limp did to his confidence for the rest of his life? And how he viewed women.

I don't know. There's a lot of questions that are just, that will forever. be unanswered because most of the people that can answer him from his side are dead because i was going to ask you i was going to like because a lot of times we learned how to love through how we were loved you know your dad and i was going to ask i said did you ever talk to his to you ever did you ever ask your dad how was his father to him your grandfather to him and so forth and so on so it would probably give you a better picture of how but you's like you know what i don't know a whole lot about this fatherhood i just know i want to be a better

dad to my son than what my father was. That's it. That's it. I don't know how this thing going to shape out. But I do know that. I'll start with that base level thing. I will be present. And I will, you know, and for the life of my relationship with his mother, you know, it was. I was going, like when I travel, hey, I'm sorry, I got to go, but I would explain why I'm going,

where I'm going, what I'm doing. And I still do that to this day. Even when we broke up, sat him down, walked them through, Hey, here's what's happening with that. But just so you know, me and her, ain't got nothing to do with me and you. Everybody's still good, cool. And. But that was a lot.

That's a lot. That's heavy. You got a newborn. You quit your job. And you just broke up with the mother of your child. That's a lot going on. Well, he's about six or seven at the time of the breakup. But it's still a lot.

Yes. And so there is a pressure. There's a pressure of providing that. I don't think men talk about enough and I don't think women necessarily I want to say don't care but they have their own battles as well they got their own workplace challenges so I understand you got your issues but I'm over here fighting this fire over here good luck with your fire I think that I remember some nights watching my son sleep when he was younger, and I would be up at night

and just be walking around the house and to that flower moment where it's like, I live in New York City, bro. I live in New York City. I have a solid job. My family is fed. They're sleeping safe. I remember when I came to New York in 1999,

And I was here for three days and I could only afford one meal because I needed the rest of the money for tolls to get back to Alabama. Praying that somebody at the comedy club would offer me a wing or a fry so I could eat that day. And now I'm in this city and I got furniture. I got a job. My picture on phone booths. I got an hour special coming out. and I'm watching my son sleep peacefully with none of the cares that I had

and it lasts for about 20 seconds and then the next thought is how the fuck am I going to keep this all together? And that's the impulse that drives me. That's the impulse that gives you everything you read at the top of the show on my intro. And I don't know if that's for better or for worse. Do you sleep good?

No. I suffer the same thing because I can't turn my mind off. I wake up immediately and there's 20 ways this could go wrong. Yep. There's 30 ways this other thing could go wrong. But if I can control it and be in charge of it, I realize what I lack is control. I'm a control freak to a degree. I need opportunities that are...

That afford you that. that afford me that i'm thankful for seeing then but it is a network all tv shows in one day it will hopefully i'll see it coming or i'll have time but in case i don't you have something already you've already got a garden planted and something else is about to write let me get this youtube shit straight for 2026 i already know what i want to do get this book right sell that book get that book get script on that and that way I know my son can continue to sleep comfortably that drives me and I know some people will consider that unhealthy but if it's gotten you more successful every year than the year before since 1998 doing

something right doing something right what have you learned about money that it's just money it's not going to make you happy. There's definitely a peace of mind you need to have with it. I'm probably a little reckless. But I think my recklessness comes from stupid shit like Uber and when I could have walked. Yeah.

It's like eight blocks. I don't feel like it. They come get me. I'm on the corner. Yeah, but I don't have a lot of vices in that regard. Like, even with women, it's not like I'm spending a bunch of money on a million dates and going to exotic locations and shit like that. I don't wear jewelry.

Right. I get nice sneakers every hour special. Hulu paid for these. Oh, okay. Bodies. You get crazy? No. When I get an hour special, they allocate money for wardrobe.

Yeah. I spend it all on the shoe. Ankle up. Ankle up, I got it. It's already in the closet. I know what I'm aware. With the shoe, you're going to pay for that. So I don't, you know, my relationship with money is, I would say it's decent.

I'm not rich in the lease, but I'm blessed. And, you know, I am the family member that family members call. which in a way is a huge responsibility though it's a blessing and a curse it is it is but I've always

me I've always wanted that I was the baby and my brother had a serious injury and so I took on the responsibility and I remember telling my grandmother on a deathbed that I got it my sister we and my sister's here right now and she had a conversation with me

she was telling I had this conversation with my grandmother in June my sister had the very very conversation with my grandmother in April. I didn't know about it until she told me. She said, Shannon, granny, like one of my cousins was in the room. And she asked my grandmother and what's going. She said, hey, Mary, what's wrong? And my grandmother said, I'm dying. And I don't want to leave y'all. My sister, say, granny, it's okay for you to go. I'm gonna be okay

Spanky's gonna be okay To my brother Shanna's gonna be okay Shanna's gonna make sure Mama's okay Everything's gonna be taken care of I didn't know Roy My sister had this conversation

With my grandmother in April I come back along in June The guy's doing a story Because I'm going into the Hall of Fame That August So he's following He's following me around We go to the old house

We go to the old high school When we get back to the nursing home, the retirement facility, my grandmother is crying uncontrollably. So I stopped the guy and I go in and she's crying and I hold in my arm that I look at it. I said, Granny, I said, so I already knew what it was. I said, Granny, it's okay. I got it. I said, you and Papa, y'all did what y'all was supposed to do. I got Libby.

I got Spanky and I got Mama. Don't even worry about it. A week later, Roy, she was gone. She needed her baby to tell her that he had it. Once I told her, I let her mind be at ease. My sister called me. She said, shout and she's gone. I said, for real living?

She said, yep. She told my sister and my mom. Because my sister would go up there every day, feed her, bath her. That's not a responsibility. My sister did that for two years. Every single day, we'd go up there, make sure she ate her food, make sure you had a, change your clothes, do it everything. Stay on top of them folks.

About five o'clock, my grandmother said, maybe you and, you and, you and, uh, Alice, y'all go, that's my mom, Mary Alice, named after mama. She said, y'all go home, man, I can't, I can't get no rest with y'all here. She sent them home probably around 5, 5.30. They called my sister at 6. That was it. Libby, Ms. Mary gone. Man, so to hear you say that the responsibility of your siblings and the family, you're who they call, I know what that's like.

I've lived that life for the last 30 years. My only beef is that, and I understand this, because my mom used to think I was asleep, but I could listen to her making the money, at night. Mm-hmm. Hey, girl, it's Joyce. I wouldn't call you if I need it, blah, blah, blah. So I understand the courage it takes to admit you need help. Mm-hmm.

But, nigger, don't wait until the tow truck is in front of the house. He doesn't have got it. You knew you old on the fucking car for two months, nigger, and now the tow truck is outside. And now I'm trying to Venmo a name Keith. And it's like, hey, hey, he's out here right now. He want to talk to you. What do you want to talk to me about?

He ain't got my car. Meanwhile, I'm on the phone with you. And then there's somebody talking to me, yeah, three minutes. We're going to, the shot is live in three minutes. Come on back over to the set. I'm at work. And I'm like literally, there's times on the daily show where I've just said to Venmo.

Well, yes, Trevor Noah. I'll tell you what's going on with the Republicans. Like, that part of it I don't like, but I understand where the hesitancy comes from. I wish, man, I wish I'd have had that, like, luxury of that, like, last conversation. Because prostate cancer is what took my pops. And my pops, when you're 16, you don't even know what you're supposed to be asking, bro. And cancer, like the last year of cancer. It's just such a nasty, terrible thing.

My pops became very mean, like very, just angry. Right. Which I just wrote out. I ain't take offense to it. I didn't do shit to you today. You're just snapping. All right. You're in pain, I guess.

Whatever. I remember the last conversation I had with my dad. I remember we watched Jeopardy that was always We'd watch Jeopardy My pops would watch Local news

Because he was mentoring a lot of the anchors On the local affiliates So he would watch everybody's anchoring And then call them and give them critiques Yeah give them feedback At the feedback At the feedback we watched Jeopardy And we're watching Jeopardy

And I make him a baked potato And I give it to He takes a nibble. After about an hour, he gave it back. He didn't really touch the appetite going. And he looks at it. He looks at me. He goes, I did all right, didn't I?

And I look at the baked potato. Well, yeah, you did all right. You know, I'm lying, but all right. Next day I come home, he's in hospice at my older brother's crib. And so, you know, for the most part, I live my life after that. I didn't go visit them every day because it's hospice and and a lot of the time in the hospital when I was there it would be a lot of the other women so if my mom's was there and then it's some side chick that's weird you know what I'm saying so I would go solo and that became weird

about a month later he dies and we're at the funeral and we're walking away from the we're leaving the bear we're going back to the limos or whatever and my oldest sister brenda she comes up to me as we're walking down the hill and she's like of all my siblings all my half-siblings she's like the most spiritual and jesus and god and the scripture says you know daddy loved you and i know you may not have always felt that but daddy loved you and no matter what just remember he did the best he could and that shit hit me like a fucking a mat truck bro like he asked me i did all right he wasn't asking about to baked potato he was asking me how he did with raising me and i missed

the fucking window bro not only that i missed the window i told him he did all right about how he raised me. I was talking about the baked potato. And so... Had you had that window, the window that he left open, had you knew, what would you have told him? I don't know, but I wouldn't have let him off the hook like that. Even in the situation, the condition he was in?

There's a soft way to say what you could have done better. Well, it's not even to criticize. It's more questions than anything. I never thought about that. I said, damn, I never thought about what I would have asked or what I would have said. I don't think I had the wherewithal or the scope of knowledge.

Keep in mind, I'm born, my parents are separated. I'm born in New York. My parents are separated within a year. My mom moves in Mississippi. My whole mom aside from Clarksdale. Okay. So she moved to Memphis to go to school and be closer.

so she got the babysitter network with her siblings, right? So I grew up never knowing my father other than the dude who come to visit once a month. And I go see him for a month in the summer through third grade. So the idea of a father was just, this thing is a guest star in me and my mama's sitcom. Me and my mama are the star, Daddy, just a neighbor who come in and wave from time to time.

Then when we move in together in Birmingham, y'all don't really sleep. y'all in the same room we don't do any family functions other than breakfast on sunday breakfast was sacred but outside of that you're not home everybody work different schedules he's a morning radio man he gone before i'm up for school and by the time i come home from school he back out at night to do his jazz show and then hit the bars and you know socialize hit the loungers and all and drink some of it like he he out there right so we never kept the same clock okay so i'm not even crossing you in the hallway for you to give me a game.

Just off the nature of our schedules. So you take something like that and then it becomes, oh, you need to be around more. Because I've learned in like, I tried doing like mentorship programs and stuff. It's not, I'm not the right person. Literacy sports, I'll give money to mentor.

Because what I found, at least what I've believe is that male guidance it's these microscopic moments that happen it's not a full three four hour day let's go bowling let's go where you might ask something or not you just have to be around and then the moment your child shows a window of wanting some knowledge you jump in and so the weeks i have my son I schedule my life differently. We're getting that meal. I might go back out in these clubs and tell my jokes tonight,

but first set's not going to be till nine because I want you in the bed 8.30 and we're going to talk. Babysitter pull up 825. I'm out the door. But the idea of just not being around as much as I can, I'm trying to fight that, bro, because I don't want to be a guest star

in his fucking sitcom. That's my biggest fear with my son is that I become the dude that's always gone. Oh, he provided. And then he the one sitting here with you talking about a motherfucker I won at the time. So the only way to create that is to work like a psychopath at building something from the ground up for yourself that you control. That it's not susceptible to corporate mergers. That's not susceptible to an administration leaning on your supervisors, getting them to fire. you. That takes time. So I'm sorry, I can't go on the date you want me to go on with you.

I can't be present in the way you want because this is paramount right now. It won't always be that way, but that's what is because I know on the other side of this is growth and freedom, man. And I know I can do that. This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two is also posted and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listen to Part 1 on. Just simply go back to Club Shay-Shay Profile, and I'll see you there. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.

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