Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Roy Wood Jr. Part 2

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNON and use code SHANNON and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup!  Roy Wood Jr. — comedian, writer, and one of the sharpest political voices in comedy — joins Club Shay Shay for a raw and insightful conversation about free speech, family, and finding truth in laughter. Roy starts by looking back at his time at CNN, where he was invited to join New Year’s Eve Live with Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen. He explains why he turned down drinking on-air, knowing that one wrong moment could jeopardize his role. That experience taught him early on how delicate free expression can be in corporate media. From there, Roy dives into the fallout surrounding Don Lemon’s firing after his controversial remarks about Nikki Haley. He admits that moment reshaped how he viewed the tension between truth and image inside the news world. Hosting CNN’s I Got News for You only reinforced that lesson — showing him that journalism, unlike comedy, often filters honesty through politics and brand management. Roy recalls one of the toughest breaks of his career — the cancellation of his sitcom pilot with Whoopi Goldberg. He describes how the loss initially crushed him, but ultimately became a turning point. Whoopi’s encouragement reminded him to keep pushing forward, and he returned to stand-up with a renewed sense of purpose and creative control. He also reflects on how late-night shows like Jimmy Kimmel Live! have become one of the few remaining spaces where comedians can still tackle uncomfortable truths. To Roy, comedy has always been about exposing what people are afraid to say — a mission that’s becoming harder as networks and audiences grow more cautious. In a more personal moment, Roy opens up about fatherhood and how becoming a dad changed the way he sees his career. He talks about balancing his work on The Daily Show with raising his son, making sure he’s present while showing him the value of purpose and patience. Roy admits that being a father keeps him grounded — it’s what motivates him to stay authentic, to build something that lasts beyond applause. As the conversation unfolds, Roy praises comedians like Trevor Wallace for using digital platforms to shape the next era of stand-up and Katt Williams for his unapologetic honesty. He also gives love to Marlon Wayans for his versatility and ability to evolve without compromising authenticity. Roy explains that whether it’s political satire or social storytelling, comedy’s greatest power is still connection — making people feel seen through laughter. Roy Wood Jr. shows why he’s one of comedy’s most essential voices. Honest, fearless, and deeply human, he delivers a masterclass in turning truth into humor — and proving that integrity will always be funny.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Part 2 is underway. You're on Better Call Saul, The Last OG, confess Fletch, only murders in the building, and Space Force. Been a lot of things. I mean, all those different experiences, do you take, I mean, when you go on a set, I mean, you try to make friends, or you try to gather information?

What is Roy Woods, Jr. When he goes on a set, what's his mindset? I'm usually chill. Okay. I keep my distance. Really? I don't know. You don't get nobody.

You don't get close to nothing. I don't know Steve Martin like that. Like, I'm happy to be here. Right. But I don't want to, I've seen cats get fired for being too chummy. Yeah. No, what's going on, man? What's going on?

Man, you're looking good. And then they're like, yeah, you're cut. And then you come back from lunch. And he ain't there. Nick, go on. So I'm not for him to be that. Steve Martin was real cool, man. Martin Short.

I tell you, man, Space Force was probably some of the most fun. There's not enough said about the Daily Show and the fraternity and sorority, whatever that it is after you leave it. Right. But those folks look out. They really do, Sam B, John Stewart, and Steve Carell and Space Force. course, like, they make sure that you're comfortable on set. I just did a joint. It's not out till top of next year. I just did a joint with Jonah Hill and Keanu Reeves. Yes.

Keanu Reeves, man. That's a funny-ass muffling. Really? It's a comedy, but it's on, it's called Outcome. It'd be out. John Wick, Keanu Reeves, funny? Hilarious. Hilarious. Neal. Matrix. Don't forget, he was Bill and Ted, X, adventure. He got the muscle. Like, if he want to be funny, he's not like dude, bro funny. Like, he's legit, like, quick. Like, I was like, we was jawing in the scene, straight

improv. Speed, Keanu. Yes. Hilarious, sir. Damn. Hilarious, man. And so you get around people that respect the craft and respect the fact that you're present, and they give you the freedom to kind of, I don't know how to put it, like, be yourself

without penalty. because Keanu ain't afraid of you stealing his shine or something like that. Does that happen a lot? No, but that's a big issue on a lot of comedy sets is that you'll have one star

that's like, yeah, don't do that. Then the writer will come. The star would never tell you. The writer will come over like, yeah, don't do that joke. Like, just, we're going to get that joke to him instead of you. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

But you're doing great. And action. Yeah. Damn. That happens. So you get it. They're dulling your star. I guess.

I mean, it's your job to come in and just do whatever is asked of you, especially in film. But there's a lot of cats that are not like that. And it's important that people know that about him. Kevin Hart is definitely, he definitely passes the ball in the scene to make sure you shine. John Hamm passed the ball. I got a shout out to the homie Andre Holland as well we did love Brooklyn

and that's like a romantic black you know Love Jones let me be funny let me be myself I don't man I go to work I go home I ain't drinking with y'all

because then that's when the cocaine come out you just be somewhere and it just be cocaine but it's time to go that's where that's where probation helped me because them first three years of stand-up, because I was on probation, I was like, oh, it's a felony

for me to even be in the room with this. Yeah, the last thing I needed somebody come up in here, them people to kick that door in and here I am. But I ain't nothing in my sister, but you ain't supposed to be around. Bro, I spent that first year

of probation suspended from college, just working the road, and it was all I had. It was the only thing that I looked forward to. I'm not fucking this up. I didn't really drink. I definitely wanted for me. So those behavioral habits, they just stay with me.

And you can tell who the cocaine people are on set. You know who's starting. So it's easy for you. It's easy because of what you went through earlier your career. It's easy for you to say no. It's easy for you to leave the room or not be in that situation or put yourself in that situation because he's like, bro, I was on probation and this could have all ended. And now if I be in this bulljive, it still could all.

in i'm out of here i don't ride in cars with people i drive where i'll meet you there i don't know what's in your car wow i don't know how you roll i don't know what's in here and you get the wrong cop it's in the wrong state it's communal possession it's our gun oh lord so i'm not i'm good i'll meet you there and if you feel some kind of way about it then i don't need to break bread with you no way Like, that's just, I don't know, I just, that's how I've always looked at shit. Like, I'm just not going to find myself in a situation where I lose out on an opportunity because you act in a fool. I get it.

You just starting a show with Whoopi Goldberg, even though it didn't get picked up a pilot. What is it like working with Whoopi? She doesn't do very much now, but there was a time that Whoopi was, I'm pretty sure she's still Whoopi. She was great. Whoopi Goldberg is like, so Whoopi, two of the greatest performances I've ever witnessed, Whoopi Goldberg on that sitcom and Salon Gnol's Essence Fest rehearsal, 2017, maybe 2018. Really? Whoopi came into, like, so like with sitcoms, they do rewrite.

And we had a table read, which is basically a sit-down performance of the show for all the people who decide whether or not this show. going to get made. And there was about 30 pages of new dialogue from the previous night. They changed and tweaked stuff. Whoopie came in. Never opened the script.

Off book. For an hour. I ain't never seen no shit like that before in my life, man. And granted, she comes from theater. So she's had to memorize three, four hours of dialogue with the stuff. But for me, the young happy comedian, I was like, oh, my God, this is wild. Like, Whoopi was electric and kind.

The premise of the show, it was me and Jermaine Fowler. Jermaine Fowler played my son, my boy from Superior Donuts, and he was the prince coming to America too. Right, okay. And so, Whoopie plays his grandma. And it's about Jermaine living with his grandma. I'm the crazy, ain't shit daddy, whatever. And it was a funny-ass show, bro.

And this goes back to what I'm talking about, about stuff getting taken away from it. It's for ABC. This is 2015, summer of 2015. It's for ABC. The sitcom is a go. We're going to make the sitcom. We're going to make the announcement.

But first, we got to get, this is the stories that was told to me. I don't want to get sued. But before we announced the sitcom, we're going to lock up Whoop Wuppie's contract with The View. She's up for a re-up. We've got to get her money right with the view

because that's the main thing. They were taking so long ABC and booking the new co-hosts with Whoopi that it took so long to go, we can't negotiate Wuppie's deal until we negotiate the deals of the new co-host. That took so long

that the deals on the other actors on the sitcom expired sitcom was never greenlit because it took too long to get the main thing negotiated because you get signed to do a sitcom they got a you know

you got a shit to get off the pot in like two three months because otherwise I need to go and be on another show I think I'm going to be on a sitcom with Whoopi Goldberg and I get a call

a month later that the sitcom ain't happening and that's how this game is two weeks later I get a call from Neil Brennan saying that Trevor Noah is looking for correspondence when he takes over for John Stewart for The Daily Show. And the only reason I end up on the Daily Show is because the Whoopie sitcom didn't work.

So if that had to work, you wouldn't have been able to do the Daily Show. I'd have never been on the Daily Show. You see how God worked. That's how it was supposed to be. I mean, that's the game, man. It's just all of this can be snatched and taken away from you. And nine times out of ten It's not even

Because it's something you did But if you control it They can't take this from you That's what I want for myself Man I just I just remember so many times Watching people

Think they got something And then you don't have it no more But yeah Whoopi was great You compared your character, your character on outcome to Dion Sanders. That's not all of it. As a civil rights lawyer. I said, the character I playing at Keanu Reeves movie is essentially a mix between

Dionne Sanders and Al Sharpton. If Dionne Sanders was a civil rights lawyer. If Dionne Sanders was Ben Crump. Yeah. Yeah, you know, baby, prime time. It's going to get the case straight, baby.

We're going to get the racism bag. Like that. I know that's a tough shit, but yeah, yeah, yeah. HBCU. Why did you decide to go to an HBCU? I feel like I would be appreciated there.

It's a beautiful thing, black colleges, man. I, you know, my mother, you know, my pop's graduated, Morehouse, and then he taught at FAMU. Okay. My mama, FAM, she was Delta State before that, then FAM for grad. My aunt was FAM, then Tennessee State. It's just culture there. You know, I also, I feel like in Birmingham, Birmingham City Schools.

are all predominantly black. And marching band culture is a big deal. So there's this kind of a grad, like a natural graduation from a black school system to an HBCU. Like it just, it just felt no-brainer. Seamless transition, it seems like. Yeah, it just, I'd never thought about anywhere else. I only applied to three colleges out of high school. I applied to Pham, Clark, and Tennessee State.

Clark, you're going to the A, you said, huh? I found out Tennessee State didn't have a baseball team, so they was out, because I thought I was still, you know, every. You're going to be Jackie Roberts. Well, I was going to be Ryan Sandberg. Okay, right, okay. Let's take a basement. And I ended up going to fam because I felt like it was just going to be a better experience. You know, it wasn't a not.

I was not going to Clark, but I was just like, smaller school and there weren't a lot of people from my school going to FAM. I think Stephanie and Shauna, I think it was like two or three people from my high school. I just wanted to be, you know, college, you get to reinvent yourself. Correct. You get to be a whole new person. They don't know you. Correct. And so I chose FAM.

I tried out for baseball, got cut. in 30 minutes. Damn. Are you sure you were a baseball player? I was in high school. But, you know, like baseball, like, I thought I had a week, bro. I thought I had a week. Like, you know, like in high school, tryouts is a week.

Yes. We will evaluate you on these disciplines every day. College baseball, they say we're going to give y'all 45 minutes. And every 45 minutes, we're calling out numbers. And if your number ain't called, go home. Wow. And my shit got called in 30 minutes. I said, I thought I had 45.

They said, we've seen enough. So what? Was it to field it? Was it the hitting? Was it to throw it? It was everything. They guys, it was terrible. What specific?

No, I just didn't play in high school enough. I didn't play summer ball. I didn't play fall ball. You know, my parents used to argue a lot. and in those times my pops wouldn't pay bills oh i'm gonna show y'all with the you know so sometimes a bill wouldn't get paid and so a bill couldn't get paid you couldn't go play baseball you come home the lights off yeah so you go through that freshman and sophomore year by my junior year of high school i was working 30 hours a week man which is illegal

I should be at home, playing, but I'm working. I'm literally, I figured out, you figure out how to circumvent all that labor law shit. You theoretically man in the house as a teen, as a kid. I'm not paying the bills, but my mama know I got it upstairs in that Batman can. I had a little Batman can with Michael Keaton on the side. And I had cash in that bitch. Right. All right, he ain't paid a light bill.

But now my grade's suffering. But I knew I did really, I was good with standardized tests, so I wasn't really tripping on it, but. So you've always. But I worked, man. I worked so that I could have independence. I didn't want,

you grow up listening to your mama borrow money from niggas over and over and over again. The only way to keep that from happening is to be able to self-sustain. Right. So to self-sustain. Self-sustain, you got to work.

Correct. So I rate leaves. I walked up to the church's chicken across from West End High School. Hey, man, I know you clean this parking lot every day at 3 o'clock. Give me $10, and I'll do it. Start working with him. Go across the street to the sit go, hey, man, I clean churches parking lot. Tell you what, instead of giving me $10 worth of candy and write it off his shoplifting.

Say, bet, I take that $10, I walk it back to school the next day, sell that for $30. So, yeah, I missed the baseball camp. And then you get to college and you go, oh, shit, they got Cubans. I had never seen a Cuban. Ain't met one. Because you have to remember, I'm all black neighborhood. You have it at Birmingham. Unfortunately, there are no Cubans in Birmingham.

Two Guatemalans and a Vietnamese. That's all I knew. It's in Alaska. I got to college. They had a Cuban on them. I said, I'm going to Shoney's. Fucking left. Did you understand the responsibility that you were undertaken,

even though you were a child and you was working and your mom would, you know, you would help your mom with bills, but you had, so you kind of grew up as a responsibility as the man or the head of the house, even though as a child, that's not a child's responsibility. Do you feel like you ever had a chance to be a child? No. Not once we moved to Birmingham. No.

I mean, I went through therapy for a while on it, but even when I look back on the credit card licks, I was running in college. Originally, I thought my thought was, oh, I act like this because I'm an adrenaline junkie. There's a degree of experience. excitement to committing crime. Yeah.

It just is. And if you're into jumping out of planes or whatever, I highly recommend committing felonies. They run that car, you're like, oh. Hey, damn. I ain't Mr. Purcell. I ain't Mr. Purcell, but they don't know right now. It's called a Code 6.

So in the 90s, the machine would show a Code 6, which means that the car was stolen, or they need to call the car. to verify that shit. And then they called a card company in front of you at the register and then hand you the phone and you on the phone

with the card company. Hello, yes. I am Mr. Purcell. And then they go, what's your social and your billing zip code? And I go, three, two, J, nine, X.

Oh, yes. Oh. Well, you know what? I thought I had more money on the card. So that's why it didn't go through. It didn't go through because I don't have enough money on the card. Great.

All right, no problem. Thank you so much. The whole time the person on the phone is going, give the phone back to the cashier. Get the phone back to the cashier. Oh, so it didn't go through because I don't have understood. Click. Now you have,

as long as it takes them to call the store back to get your ass up out of this store. A rush. But when I really started digging deep on myself, I did this so I wouldn't be a bird. on my mom. My mom, absent of my father, those first K through three in Memphis, calling asking people for money.

I don't want you to have to do that no more. Did you feel a sense of embarrassed, but were you embarrassed by that? Embarrassed. Because nobody knew, maybe the grown-off, but you didn't have kids. Like, it's one thing if kids know you're poor or know you don't have things to eat

or you don't have decent clothes. That's one thing. That's something entirely different. Did anybody, did any kids know that you were in this situation or were they just grown-ups? No, because I'm the son of the most popular journalist in the city of Birmingham. So they think you got it good.

They think you, I mean, they're like, man, Roy got it good. We had a nice two-story house. I had a basketball goal. I had a plexiglass, backboard. We had a couple of decent things. Right. But also the heat wasn't on. So what the fuck?

So, yeah, you get a little older. You start working. You start raking leaves around the neighborhood. Bro, I would rake leaves. I would rate leaves $10 front, 15 front and back. And then I would take the bags of leaves. And at night, I would go to a house that didn't have leaves in the yard. And pull the leaves out.

Come on, come on, Roy. I just see a criminal enterprise right here. This would I see a criminal enterprise, Roy. Wait two days, come back to your crib. Look like he got a lot of leads. Well, I did before you pulled him out by yard. $10, $10 front and back. And that was the lick.

But now I don't have to ask my mama for a Nintendo tape. I don't have to ask her for the Ken Griffey's. I ain't got to ask her for the Sammy Social Cubs batting practice jersey, 1994. I got it just give me a ride to the mall Joyce that's all I need because the bus don't go that far. I wouldn't even burden you with the transportation. So you grow up like that and the other thing I think the other downside to all of it is that within that hustle you grow up alone. I think the best and worst people are comfortable alone i'm extremely comfortable alone i got suspended from school you made your whole lick you made your whole lick selling stolen shit on a college campus if you ain't the plug no more what's your social capital who with you nobody you on the road doing comedy. When I first started, I was on the bus. I'm ironing my suit on fucking baby

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Because I don't believe those things are mutual exclusive. I believe you can be alone. I think the problem with loneliness is that you will sometimes remedy it with people that are corrosive or activities that are corrosive. Agreed. And I think that's the problem with true loneliness is that you can immediately become so desperate for human contact that you're willing to do anything, go anywhere, hang with anybody. You are accepting anyone into that circle.

Yeah. I'm blessed in that, you know, I had a couple of tight partners in college, you know, my partner broke Williams, you know, there was a time. when a lot of people didn't with me in school. You become radioactive once you get arrested. Yeah. And you're on probation, so I can't even be around the people that I used to hang because they're doing dirt. Yeah.

You might need a snitch. And keep in mind, when you get arrested, they show you pictures of every that's committing crimes within the metro area and ask you if you know them. No, I don't. Damn, I know it. And you do.

You know 90% of the mug shots, but you go, I don't know him. I ain't never been around here. So I can't come around you anymore because if they catch you, what they make me look like. So you're alone. Comedy is a loner sport. You live alone in your thoughts on the long drives. You're alone in the hotel rooms. That's why so many comedians fall into drugs and women.

You know, Kat, that's what Kat said, because it's alone, it's, you know, you work at, you start work at 10 o'clock at night, and you sleep till 6 o'clock at the afternoon because you don't go to bed till 2 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. And, look, I'm interested to know, were you always funny? How did you decide to get in the stand-up? I don't know, the itch was always there. I've always had a sense of humor. Okay. Were you a class clown?

No, not to college. But in high school, I wrote the bench. When I play baseball, I wrote the bench. So we just crack on people. So that was my contribution to the game, which is we would sit, bro, we would sit in the parking lot and we would watch and see what kind of car your mama dropped you off in.

Make a note of that. You come up to the plate, yeah, your mama got the ragged of tourists. Straight! Your ass ain't paying attention. Right. Like, we would heckle, man. I mean, granted, it was the 90s, so it was a lot of what you couldn't get away with now.

But, I mean, we'd call you gay. We'd call you poor. We'd call your grandmama ugly. There was no rules, bro. There was no rules. And that was kind of the first open mics for me was just heckling a post. and teams and then I got to college seeing Ricky smiling on VET's comment view do my name Lodrell that validated okay bet I can be from here

and do it and do it now how do I get over there and I saw the first stand-up show I ever saw was Lavelle Crawford and Corey Zuman Miller And they came to Fam U, my freshman year for Homecoming. And it was the first time I saw the power of words. Just destroy the room, man. And I had a plug over at Florida State, and she was from Birmingham, and she ran the student activity shit. Earthquake came, then Bobby Lee, then Michael Blackson.

This is all within, like Florida State had more money. So they had comedy. a regular basis. Fam, you, you get one nigger of semester. Florida State every two weeks to have a comedy show. And so I got, I had my fake ID plug, make me a fake Seminole card, and I would go over to Florida State and pretend to be a Florida State student and would just watch stand-up. And like, that's what I was like, that's what I want to do. As much as I love Stuart Scott and Kenny Main and their ability to bring humor to sports,

I think there's something different that I want to do. And that's kind of where the itch was. But it wasn't until I got arrested that I was like, all right, I have to do it now. I'm going to prison. Right. I didn't know I was going to get probation. I thought I was going to prison. So let me try it before I go to prison.

It's the loneliness that you mentioned riding the Greyhound buses, sleeping at rest stops. Nobody but you. And, you know, everybody, everybody. Everybody is not going to get the standing ovation the very first time to get on stage. They're going to be some booze. They're going to be some trials. They're going to be some tribulations. Shout out to Uptown in Atlanta.

Keep going. Uptown comedy car. I can go there all the time. I used to go there all the time. The old one when it was upstairs. Yeah. Next to Puffies right to Justin's. Yes.

Right there on Peace Street. I used to get booed and then I would walk over to Justin's and get me an $8 water and wait to catch the bus to go back to the ground. Greyhound station. So you're riding Marta? Yeah, I would take the MARTA downtown. There was a MARTA. Because the MARTA was right down the street from a Magic City.

And there was a MARTA, Greyhound, like, hub station downtown. So you could either sit at Justin's and be sad, or you go to the Greyhound Station and be sad. And if I had $8, I would go to Justin's and get me an $8 Voss water. They was charging $8 for them fucking waters. That's why they closed. Fuck him. Did you ever think about quitting comedy? Did they ever get that bad like, man, F this, man.

I ain't, man, I, man, I, I, I, no. I got lucky, bro. I got lucky because I started so young. So by the time I graduated college, I was three years in it. Wow. So when I graduated, just for the math, I was making, I had two jobs. I had two job offers in journalism with two jobs. could have gotten Tampa Tribune and the Birmingham news both were going to pay about 14k

to be the page two sports i forget what it's called but like back in the day in the newspaper page two was just the score of every sporting contests in the country that day and you just it's clerical right 14 000 by my estimates i was going to make 18 000 that year on the road I'll just do it. I call my mom. I go, yo, can I move back in with you? If you give me two years, I'll be out of your house. She said, cool.

I call my probation officer. He said, I'll get you nine-day visitation forms. Every ninth day, you got to come back to Tallahassee. We got to do, you know, I think it was 21 days. Come back to Tallahassee every month, do a face-to-face, stay at my partner crib, couch surf with him, get back to Birmingham. And that was it. you know but I never thought about quitting I'm I'm lucky man I'm just I'm so blessed and I'm so

thankful because so much of my journey has been from people who didn't have to take a chance on me right taking a chance on me every fucking step of the way for 27 years it's been that and you know I even look at radio where you know I did I did I did prank phone calls. Yeah. And I went viral when you go viral over e-mail. Yeah.

That's how old I am. Well, you wouldn't know. You ain't got email. I ain't got email. But. So how did you get into the prank phone calls? Because that's what Ricky did. It's morning radio.

You got to do what the streets want. Okay. I came in a morning radio. I'm like, all right, I want to do parody songs and funny commercials and weird political act. They're like, getting that fucking. room and get a black person to cuss you out. Go in that room and let black people cuss you out and record it.

I go, yes, sir. And so I got good at it. I put them on CDs. And what happened was that we had a webmaster at the radio station who was just lazy. And I go, hey, man, these prank calls do really well. We only play them that day. It's hard to do it. To get one prank call, you got to call four or five people.

could you put these on the website so that people could download them? No, that's too much work. Lazy mopo? So, I mean, I'm not saying it's like I know coding or some shit. But I taught myself rudimentary web design

to build my own website. There used to be an app called Microsoft Front Page, which was like, it's Squarespace now, but it's basically, if you know Microsoft Word, you could build a website. Right. Built my own website.

Put my pranks on the website. First week, my website crash. Second week, my website crash. Third week, I get a call from the website server people. Yeah, you're getting a lot of traffic from all over the globe. We need you to, you got to purchase a gazillion billion terabyte, whatever. I have been putting my pranks on my website strictly for people in Birmingham to download. But the folks in Birmingham was taking them and emailing them to their folks all over the country.

And then those people was emailing them all over the globe. And word a mile. And that was that validated me to be able to sell prank calls CDs. And those CDs carried me for four or five years, man, at a time where a lot of the comedy clubs weren't paying me what I should. Right. I know I could pull up and sell the CD. You know, there's a cat, this is Cat to Kill.

back in Birmingham and Akeel ran the black-owned music store, music and more. He carried my CDs on the strength

of just me. But because he carried my CDs, every other white store wanted the CDs because they didn't want to be the one to miss out. I was selling them

on consignment. I had my shit in Sam Goody. My shit was in Turtles. My shit was in Blockbuster music. And that's all because this black-owned

business a chance on me at the time. And, like, that type of stuff got me buzz. Because this is, you also got to remember the early 2000s, comedy and hip hop still had a relationship. It was more, you know, like, yeah, like, little Duval was just starting to run the grand hustle. I think Cat was with D.R.S.et was. You had, D. Ray and them was running with Kanye.

Henry Welch was running with outcasts and organized noise, right? So there was... He managed to see him all the time with uptown comedy. Okay, yeah. So King Henry, he or Birmingham, have a name. So the idea of hip-hop and comedy was starting to work. Where I get back to me after a couple years, they go, hey, man, a chameleonair put one of your pranks on one of his mixtapes. Just a chameleonair doing that, open up the whole state of Texas to me.

Because now if I'm on a comedian-ass mixtape, Texas DJs are going to be. I don't want my pranks. And if I'm on the radio, then the comedy club in that market wants to book me. That's more valuable than the TV credit, bro. Yep. Cameron did, same shit. Now, granted, I couldn't drive all the way to New York to take advantage of being on dipset mixtapes. But there's just so many, I look at my life in times, man, and, you know, Seelot said,

everybody's somebody because of somebody else. And that's the truth for me, man. I'm just thankful. How did shows like Comic View and Apollo? Because I read that you would like turn down by Comic View. Yeah, early on. I mean, a lot of cast did. I mean, but my comedy's more preppy and upright.

Like it wasn't like coming off a Def Jam, you wanted loud, boisterous, bombastic comedy. So I get why I didn't get it, you know, to start. But other comedians. Like growing up, you said you, You know, you always had a sense of humor. What were some of the comics that you looked at like, man, I like that. You know, a lot of people say it was prior and it was Murphy.

Obviously, now you have Chappelle and things of Iraq, things of that nature. But when you were a kid, who did you look to in comedy? Simbad, Chris Rock, George Carlin. Simbad was just a beast, man. He was a machine. He was. people forget that Sinbad did

a live stand-up special on network like you can talk about freedom of speech who you know do a live comedy special on network television that's crazy oh I'm live on Netflix you don't know what I'm gonna say

Sinbad was live on ABC with commercial breaks which means you got to write commercial breaks until you're set because you're still performing even while the nation isn't watching that psychotic behavior and then with an all black camera crew then gives the all black camera crew a shot out on live TV why they're shooting the special he does not get his flowers he does not get the respect that in my opinion he doesn't get the praise that he

deserves um but it was chris rock it was george carlin a little bit of martin lawrence Early on, his first CD, Funkett, was like, or was it, you're so crazy, I'm not sure, but Funkett was the one that like, got you. That's the one that got me. Like, my early stand-up was a terrible Martin Lawrence impersonation. Right.

If you get it back, every comment when they start, you're just impersonating somebody else. Right. Until you figure out your voice. And for me, it was Martin. You mentioned that D.L. gave you your first big break. Did D.L. actually know that he was, was giving you this break no no that's one of like d l is one of those o gs that gives more than he has to

and i would also put that on marlin marlin and sean wands too for sure you know i used to do so when i was doing mornings one of the advantages for those 10 years that i was on aaron burman while doing stand-up was that any black comedian that came into the city did our show okay so i got to meet you i got to see your approach to marketing and analyzing which bookmarked lavelle crawford and bruce bruce most brilliant marketers ever in black comedy marlin and sean would do our show every year even if the show was sold out and the only other person i knew who would do that was simbad Simbad would come in and do media, even if the show was sold out, because he knew he was essentially selling next year's show right now.

BL, what happened with DL, so when I got hired at the radio station, I lied, bro. The one thing I also learned in entertainment is that nobody's telling the truth. So just fucking lie. And if they catch you, apologize or figure your way out of it. But most of what you're saying, nobody's double-checking. So just lie. So it's easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. So 95-7 jams at the time, Ricky Smiley leaves.

They do a contest to see. And my man said Delaney, who I had to give a shout out to, said it was there for a couple years after Ricky. and then they get into what they're trying to do with a new comic after a said, I'm going to leave.

I call the DJ, my man Buckwild, still there now. And I go, hey, man, I'm a young comic. I got a degree in journalism. I think I could do comedy. He goes,

I don't know if you're funny. We're just not going to do any more auditions right now, but thanks. I go, okay, cool. I call the comedy club because I knew D.L. was performing that weekend,

and I knew Jams promotes the black comments. I called the Comedy Club. I go, hey, Bruce Ayers, he's the owner. I go, hey, Bruce, I just got hired at 957 Jones. That man told you they weren't in terms anymore auditions. Buckwell said it wasn't no more auditions. But Bruce Ayers don't know any more auditions. So I called Bruce.

I go, hey, big dog, I just got hired at 957. They say they want me to host for DL. instead of doing the station promo, T-shirt toss. Bruce goes, cool, see you Friday. I get off the phone with Bruce. I call Buck Wildback. Hey, man, I just got booked to open for D.L. Hughley Friday night. Watch me.

If I'm not funny, then don't fuck with me. If I am funny, give me that job. Give it a job. He goes, cool. That's Tuesday. Friday comes. All I got to do is keep buck. Bukwile and Bruce A.

Keep him separated. And this is not Buckwold starring Buckwold. This is a different buckwale. Friday night come. I keep them separated. I'll go out on stage. I do my five. And it's one of those nights where just everything work.

It's just God. Every joke. Every syllable. And I'm from there. So I got home-filled advantage. I'm destroying, bro. And as I come off stage, Buck Wilde was standing there, and he goes, see you Monday morning, bring 12 Krispy Cremes.

And next to Buck is D.L. Hughley. And D.L. goes, hey, young brother, that was a good set. What do you say you stay in open for me for the rest of the weekend? Now, at this time, at this comedy club, the Star Dome in Birmingham, this is my home club. you don't get to open for a fucking weekend headliner until you've done

all of these other progressions within the club you got to perform on this night for this type and this night for this type and DL's vouch skip me straight to the front of the fucking line and now I have tape opening for him which essentially opens up me to work Nashville Chattanooga

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how hard it is to follow and I've heard a lot of people who had Rick smiling on. As you know, I've had a lot of comedians on because I love comedians. And Ricky said, the one thing, I ain't following LaVelle Crawford. I ain't doing it. And you mentioned Patrice O'Neill and Tommy Davis and

LaBelle Crawford. How hard is it actually? Even though you're good like, man, hey, I'm good. I do what I do. But how hard is it to follow somebody like a LaVelle Crawford? Rest his soul, Patricia. I don't know because I've never done it, and I never will.

I will never follow LaVelle Crawford. I will just quit comedy. I will become a podcaster. Lavelle and Bruce Bruce. I used to see Bruce. I used to see Bruce all the time when I was Atlanta. I have the utmost respect for them because when you do morning radio, I watch, I get to see you mark it, and I see how you move.

Lavelle and Bruce would come to Birmingham the night before. Now, granted, y'all, Atlanta, you can drive up to the morning, be in the studio at 7.30, promote the show. 90 minute. Lavell and Bruce were coming to Birmingham

the day before, and they would go to the black mall. They would go to Century Plaza at that time. They would go to Century Plaza and Western Hills Mall. And they would just crack on in the food court. Like, you talk about word of mouth. They literally would just go in city trends.

Yeah. You gonna buy that? That shit don't look good. And just roll straight. Then, bounce around to all the barbershops in the city in the afternoon. Then that night, go to the club, go to one or two clubs, just to be, like, it's one thing to be funny. That was funny, blah, blah, blah. but to market yourself

and understand the importance of outreach and connecting with people. Like, you can do it all through social now and you can connect with all right, fine. But in those days, you had to really grind to create an audience, man. And those brothers, I watched them. I watched them for a decade coming to town

and they would have a Thursday through Sunday. And then it became a Friday, Saturday. Then it became a Friday, Saturday, instead of four shows six shows instead of four shows eight shows Gary Owen too

that's another one like they were just and they not only understood being funny on stage but they understood how to be funny on the radio we used to call Lavelle a pushback

where in radio you would turn on the mic 957 jams who's in the studio Lavelle Crompe start on Lavelle how you doing

and you just push back from the mic that nigga That nigga is going to talk for four minutes straight. Choke, choke, choke, choke, choke. Roast everybody in the room. We take a call. He roast their ass, too.

The marketing of it was intentional, and it was diabolical. And I just, I didn't understand it at the time. I wish I did. There's so many balls I feel like I dropped when it comes to understanding marketing with stand up that I feel like I'm even now still making up time for. you got to open for Kat who opened for cash money. Let me ask you this. You'll tell you about that night.

I caught a lot of criticism for the Kat interview. I don't know why. Because Kat peel back a scab that if you're not in that business, you didn't know. You didn't know so many comics didn't like each other until Kat revealed that unless you're in the comic, you're in that area. As a comic, I was like, oh yeah, I already know. Yes. But the world didn't know that. So he pulled back a scab and allowed the world to see what was going on in that business.

You mentioned, and I was like, and people got upset at me. And a lot of people have, you know, been very outspoken and said some things and I've gotten some pushback. I'm like, y'all could say what y'all said to me. Why don't y'all say that to cat? I didn't say anything. I said that's cat experience. That is cat experience with said individuals. When I allow people, this is your story.

You're coming on and telling your story about your father. Now, me pushing back, well, your father did the best he could and he did X, Y, and Z. But this is your story. I should allow you to come on and tell your story. I allow Kat to come on and tell his story. But everybody got upset at me. And not Kat for saying. Ain't got mad at Kat.

Have you talked to him since the interview? Who cat? Yes. and he said he's like they're not going to say anything to me what they're going to say to me because this is what I do and he said that was just

he said that was not a direct hit that was just a fly over it absolutely was I mean knowing some of the infighting in comedy you know I try to I don't know I move in love

and usually when beef start in black comedy I already went home because the cocaine is out. My goal, you have to understand. My goal at any comedy show is to leave before the cocaine comes out. So most of the shit, Kat was talking about the cocaine was out. The liquor was flowing. There was some shit going on.

The funniest shit about Kat, and I've only worked with him that one time, I can't even say that he ever did our morning show because by the time he became cat there's no need for him to do right local radio on a Friday morning cash money cat is going up and cash money's on the show I don't know which in the hot boys

but somebody in the hot boys would not come off the bus until they got a bottle of crystal it's 10.30 on a Thursday night in Birmingham, Alabama. They ain't no fucking Christall. Yeah.

Where are we going to get Cristal? Where? In Birmingham, nowhere. Strip Club. Oh, okay, right. So our program director called some folks at the strip club and was like, we need two bottles of crystal.

Can you sell us two balls of crystal out the back? And they was like, yeah, who are they for? Lil Wayne. I want tickets. Then we get there with the Cristal and the club owner bringing the Cristal. Now he want to meet and greet.

If you don't stop, you are fucking. And this is like the back-to-school backpack concert. So like, we need this concert to happen because the proceeds go to help the community. Now, I'm just saying, I need the meat way and I don't think. That's cool. But, yeah, Kat was there, man. He showed a lot of love.

I bombed. Ooh, I bombed. And it's worse when you bomb at the crib because you call the station the next day. Damn. Why'd you bomb? Because, I don't know. Some days, it ain't your day.

And it had to be that day. I bombed one time. I almost got booed. Well, technically I did get booed at the Apollo. The Sandman didn't come out. If the Sandman don't come out, did you get booed? I mean, if they booed, I mean, if they booing, mean, nah, technically, I guess not.

No, technically a boo is a boo. No, but the sandman, they got to come get you. Okay, I got booed, but no Sandman. So whatever you want to call that. Right. Next day, it airs on like a Saturday night, so on UPN, Birmingham. Next day I'm at the radio station.

Somebody called, they said, man, if that's the best you can do, tell you from Montgomery. I ain't never forgot that shit, bro. I never forgot it. But no, I think Kat Williams is one of the best comedians doing it right now. It's not even close. And what's interesting, what's fun about watching Kat is that you can see him turn the political switch on and then you see him turn it off. Yeah.

I don't want to talk about that. Anyway, let's talk about ladies. Right. And that's a beautiful, it goes. back to that, to that Dick Gregory's separation of the two. You know, Granite Payne versus politics, cat can just be silly and then he can be poignant. Yeah.

The Washington Post said, you occupy space filled by Chris Rock in the 90s, Dave Chappelle in the early 2000s, black comedians who double as one of the most thoughtful and political commentators. That's kind of, that. Did you intentionally try to occupy this space?

Because like I said, you know, prior did for a little while, but mainly is Mooney, Carlin, Rock, Chappelle. Yeah. I don't even think I'm in that. Oh, you, you are. I'm not. There's more work to be done, in my opinion, to get to that pantheon.

I have just tried to make people laugh by showing them my perspective on the world as I see it. Right. My first three comedy specials were very political. The one I just did for Hulu was about loneliness and just how we're fucked up inside as a people. That's really all I wanted to talk about is that special. The first half of that special is y'all are fucked up and then the back half is I'm fucked up. That was it. I didn't try to give a deep analysis of politics in that particular special by intention.

because I was just tired of talking about the world. I wanted to talk about us and me. But, you know, I'm thankful to the Washington Post for those words. Because this isn't a comedian job to take real events and make them funny? Yeah. That, in and of its nature. Or it's events from the world or events that happen to you.

You, right. Comedy is journalism. We're all reporters. Every comedian you name is a reporter. And they're either reporting on the, world as they see it or themselves in their own condition and their state of mind to me that's that's what this is i didn't set out to talk about a bunch of politics i just woke up one day and i kind of started caring about racism more than i did talking about paying back my student

loans y'all put that on me they put that on me you know i'm thankful for that time at the daily show because you know trevor noah gave me a lot of runway to talk about a lot of black shit mm-hmm and take cameras into places but normally black folks wouldn't mainstream media is not gonna right they're not gonna allow that I don't know any of the program that would have even attempted to look at the 20th anniversary of the Million Man March right with jokes yeah and somehow still remain respectful to what black people were doing i mean we spoke with nuri mohammed from the nation in that piece which i would have even and that's also why i've tried my best man to be kind to people

and to be polite because you don't know when you're going to need those favors like that was the second piece that i did for the daily show was talking about the justice or else march right i don't know anybody in the nation i'm not plugged in like right but i know charlemagne the god is and i don't know at the time i don't know charlemagne but i know andrew shultz and i know shultz no charlemagne mm-hmm a shultz is wood wouldn't call you if i didn't need this can you hit charlemagne tell charlemagne to hit the call telephone game two days later we get an email from the nation wow here's who you can talk to here the terms so i never saw that as some sort of crusade of blackness it was just these are the stories that are

interesting to me how can i make them funny so that they'll be interesting to you let's go to the south side of Chicago and do a walk along with strangers who defuse gang conflict. What's funny about it? Not sure. We'll figure it out, though. But the what is more important than the funny. So let's go out and do that. Hey, Roy, tell your camera crew to stay over there and don't point the cameras down the street. We're going to go up the block and make sure it's cool for y'all to even come up the block. That type of shit. And I have to give respect to Trevor Noah for giving me the runway. Because it's the thing.

I'm the new dude at The Daily Show. I'm not going to come in and go, yo, we should talk to the nation and we should go to Chicago. But I'm like, hush. So you need Trevor to come in with that accent. Right. I think what Roy is trying to say. I'm like, yeah, tell him what I'm trying to say. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.

Yeah, so having producers that cared enough to allow me, I mean, man, one of the last stories I did before I left Daily Show was about Cop City in Atlanta. We, in the forest with people who are shitting in buckets trying to stop police from building a training facility that's just going to make the police more militaristic and ruin the environment. Wow. so did I set out to do that I don't know man that's just the stuff I'm drawn to and I don't know if that's because I did ride-alongs with my dad and you got an opportunity to see what was I don't know I don't know where it got planted you know

you ever think about do you ever concern yourself with how much of a burden you want to give your children about being black versus what being black could be. How do you teach the history without giving them the burden? Yeah. Yeah, I try. I've tried to shield them as much as I possibly could.

But I think they did a lot of research on their on and they understand what that even though that last name yeah it's still attached to a black man you know what's wild I did finding your roots and they found the white family that purchased the first black wood of my bloodline off the slave ships in Charleston yeah that's what we came off of if I wanted to today I could find the white wood descendants in southern Georgia and pull up on their fucking house. One day I will.

They ain't got no money, though. I zillowed their crib. They broke. That's the thing we were talking about with slavery, man. There was a lot of white people fumbled. Like, y'all... They fumbled the bag. Yeah, you had...

Working for you, you still couldn't come up. how you broke and you had slaves yeah that was bad that was gold they phone book bro you are have you ever met rock and uh chappelle yeah yeah uh rock and i are cool i'm cool a bit rock than chappelle i see rock more frequently than chappelle yeah because let me say it that way you know chappelle is you show up like yoda and then be gone but rock i've seen from time to time at the comedy clubs and stuff around new york um number of respect for both of you know and just what they've worked to build you know you also have to really think about a lot of what dave built and what we know and love dave for came from rejecting the industry yes

and not knowing he knew what was on the other side of going to africa but he followed his instincts and he knew that was the right thing to do so that's a lot i mean to turn that down but now what makes him so impressive is that they can't take something that he didn't value. See, once he found out what they value that he didn't value, now you could no longer harvest. Correct. You couldn't harm him.

See, it's hard to starve a man that can grow his crop and cook for himself. You can't starve him. Yeah. Because he can live off the land. He knows how to survive. And that's what I want. You know.

Chappelle, once Chappelle found out he could survive, he can do a show. He don't really need anybody. He could, like, I'm doing a show as such and such. It's sold out in five minutes. Probably going to crash the site, but it sold out in five minutes. It's like that old school print shit where prints would just tell us tour bus driver, drive west. Mm-hmm. What city?

I'll tell you later. And then sellout Staples Center on two days notice. Yep. Yeah, I really do. That's what I want for myself. You know, I think that, oh, man, I just, I can look at so many times in my life where I got fucked in the game and it wasn't my fault. You didn't know.

I got fired from radio. I found out I got fired from radio over Twitter. Damn. People don't even have a card to call you. You just have some compassion. Goddamn. Why are you saying? But I'm saying they don't have the common courtesy to call anymore.

What is common courtesy? Hey, Roy, we're going to, look, it's going to hurt the same. I'm going to be without a job. The income is not going to be coming in. But, you know, Roy, you know, what we're doing, we're downsizing. We're decided to go in a different direction. We really appreciate your contributions to the network, to the station. We wish you the best of luck, but unfortunately.

No. I guess I sound like I've given that speech before. If you Google Roy Wood Jr. show fired, you read the article. It's still up. They fired us, and I found out that morning on Twitter, I thought I was dead. They were like, man, I'm going to miss Roy. The what did I do? Am I dead?

Like, I gave my heart and soul to that show. and it ultimately came down to what they saw as a conflict of interest. I booked a sitcom. I'm a comedian. I can't say no to a sitcom. No. Can I do the show from L.A.? While I do the sitcom?

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share our experience of existing in an industry that wasn't always built for everyone. So listen to good luck with that on IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. That's the game. I think that we have made the mistake. of thinking that the people who have lowered over us have the same compassion. They don't. And once you accept that, you're free to move. It's like comedian Doug Stan. I'll say, once you accept that you're completely and unapologetically fucked,

only then are you free to move throughout this country without care and concern. I had a sitcom on TBS. We went three seasons. We got a handshake for the fourth season. The next week, the show was canceled. That's the game. It's unfortunate. But that is the game.

You work a daily show for eight years. They say you're in the running for the host, and then you find out somebody else was already in the running. Promise the job. Promise the job. Okay, that's fine. You couldn't tell me because you thought I was going to tell him. Okay, cool.

But now, where do I fit into the new structure of the show? And I know I can't trust you because you already said the bullshit. If I stay here and you merge, will the new host fire me? Will I even like the new host? will the merger require a cut in salary will I be fired because of the merger and there's a salary fucking consolidation am I truly safe here

I don't know but I do know if I'm going to find something next it's going to be during an election year so I should quit there's nothing personal I should quit I'm going to quit and I'll figure it out

the same as I did after getting fired over Twitter the same as I did after the handshake sitcom I'm not scared because I've slept in fucking bus stations all I need to do is make sure that the boy got a roof, he got clothes and he got food

and we'll figure everything else out everything else out after that when you call that prank J. Prince, did you know who J. Prince was that? Did you know who J. Prince was when you pranked it? Yes. That was one of the reasons why you wanted to prank him, huh? I wish we still had the audio of that prank phone call.

What happened to it? Deleted it on the day. You deleted it? Yes. You think I want that shit to leak? So for the people don't know So when the pranks were bubbling And

Camillionaires running with me I'm on a PimpC UGK mixtape and Dipset and all of that I get a call from a company And they go, hey We want to do prank calls On Texas celebrities

We think your prank calls are great Come on down to Texas We're going to do the prank calls We're on prank calls celebrities I go again And they cut me a check. I'm there. It wasn't a lot.

It was like $10,000. But a lot of money back then, wasn't it? It was a lot to a nigga making $500 a week. Yeah, yeah, you're straight. So they go, come down here and make these pranks. I go bet. And they have a list of Texas celebrities. And it's like Paul Wong and Michael Irvin, T.D. Jakes.

And they got Jay Prince on that. the list. And Jay Prince is, I understood, I grew up listening to ghetto boys. I grew up listening to a deaf do us part and we can't be stopped. So I knew he was an imposing figure but I figured him to be able to

take a joke. When I called his ass and he just kept asking me where I was like, where you're at? Where you at? You're talking all this shit. Where are you at? And then the engineer came on the phone. He goes, hey, Jay, it's us.

We were just pranking you. It's no big deal. This is Roy. He's a comedian. And Jay goes, oh, if you were him, I know exactly where you had. And he hung up the phone. And I'm like, he's on the way here. And everybody in the room was like, no, he's not.

Jay can take a joke. We spend the next 20 minutes trying to call Jay Prince. to, like, make sure shit is cool. Right. He didn't answer the phone. He didn't answer the phone. So I told the people at the studio, I go, hey, I'm going to run to the hotel and drop my bag. Because I came straight to the studio from the airport.

I go, listen. I'm going to run to the hotel, drop my bags off, get some lunch. Let's do the rest of these pranks after lunch. Cool, cool. I went to the airport. Did he show her to the station? So years later, Jay calls Sway on MTV. He's talking to Sway, and Jay Prince confirmed he was on his way to the fucking studio to fuck me up.

Oh, wait, no, it was Drink Chaps. Shout out to Drink Chaps. Yeah, he was on Drink Chaps. And Norrie asked him. You found just like you too bad. Norie asked him. He was like, yeah, man, did you go? Well, you know, I was just going to fuck him up.

I think that what I didn't realize with that prank was that because of what Jay meant to the streets, you can't clown my body like that. But I'm a comedian, bro. We clown it. You clon everybody. You clown everybody. But you can't clown Jay in his own town. Because I was in Houston when I did this, bro. I was in Houston a total of three hours.

I landed, went to the studio Prank called Jay Press, the shit went sideways I got in the cab went back to the airport back in Birmingham, whole day got back to my mama house where you been? Don't worry about it, Joyce. Yeah, yeah, that was

we laugh about it now Jay and I, but at the time I was violating because the premise of the prank was I own a I own a mom and pop record shop these rap-a-lott album being selling

rap a lot then fell off and I'm naming artist by artists which rap a lot artists ain't doing well terrible and I'm just naming rap you can't do that to the hit of rapa-a-lot records and claim you in Houston

yeah he would come and see you as he should like you have to Come beat the shit out of somebody who's talking about it. In the true, you slap by the coworker but snitching. Yeah. What? You say it like it was some sort of, like. You snitched on the man, Roy, damn.

The shit wasn't doing his job. Fuck him. That is your place of employment. I understood that after the slap. Let me explain it. Because I told, I tell the story in my book, but let me explain it. Because I told the story in my book. All right.

So did you ever work any type of food service job? Dishroom, anything. Okay, that's right. You're too busy running routes. Yeah, I was in the field. I do a manual label. Okay. Property tobacco, picking up pecans, clipping onions, catching chicken.

Running that route treat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I worked in the hospital. You know HealthSouth. Yeah. Okay. HealthSouth has a rehab hospital in Birmingham. Okay.

I worked in the cafeteria. We go to the floors, collect the trays. Yeah. Watch the tray. It is your job to help me collect the trades. Right. It's a two-man job. Two-man job.

This motherfucker in the gym hooping for money. Because there's a rehab hospital. They got a gym. He down there playing $21, $10 a point. Muffucker. We have a job. We have a job. Can he break you off?

Fuck, no. He hooping. He earned it. So for perspective, I'm 16, this man is like 35, 36 years old. This is a grown man hooping for money. He make his money hooping at work. And when he's free, he helped me in the dishwork. I go to all the floors.

I do the pickups. I do the drop first. I drop all the trays. Hour later, do all the pick up by myself. By myself. Because he's down there hooping for $10 a point. I come back to the dishroom and I'm behind. And like in the dishroom in those days, you make lunch

and the same hot plates and plates whatever that they need for dinner. Right. You got to wash them so that they can flip them for to make the dinner plates. They got to turn it around. Supervisor come in and go, hey, but the dinner plates is taking too long. I go, well, I could be quicker if motherfucking Mike was here. Oh, no. Is that snitching or is that me just going, hey, man, get off my ass

and look for the other. that's supposed. Why are you in the dish room mad at me? I'm here. Right. This is gone. What you wanted him to ask, where is Mike? But instead, you on my ass talking about I ain't washing fast enough.

Of course, I ain't washing fast enough. But you're one person. It's a two-man job, and it's only one man here. I say Mike down in that gym, go ask Mike. He go down to the gym, get Mike. Mike come back to dishroom slap the shit out of me. Grown man slapping 16-year-old. He's a

Mike slapped the shit out of me. Then, this motherfucker take a little vial out. My motherfucker fucking twist that tells me to get out of his dishroom. And this man for the next 30 minutes, Shannon,

does the work that it should take two men to do an hour. One bump of cocaine and that motherfucker washed all them dishes. He can't wear no glove. You know industrial dishwash. That's 200 degrees. Yes. Touching the bare hand. Skin.

Touching the dishes. Silverware. It's like holding a fucking hot eye. Yes. That's a hot poker like you stick. Yeah. It's holding a hot poker. Yes. You pull dishes out in industrial dishwash. Mike was pulling them, stacking them, had the whole thing straight. We never were behind schedule.

And he turns back to me and he goes, don't you ever question the master? And the whole time I'm thinking, I snitched on him. He's going to be in trouble. He's going to get ridden up. Nothing happened to him. And it was like the first time I learned a very valuable lesson that if you're exceptionally good at your job, the rules do not have. apply to you and all you can do is what you can do so if you ain't as good as Mike just do

your best supervisors see you and respect but that it's the first and only time i ever snitched on anybody in my life was cocaine Mike at health self rehab hospital lakeshore drive Mike if you out there a you did your a no Mike if you out there fuck you 37 slapping a 16 year old I can talk that shit now because I know he old and I can take him. Did you ever get called a Nepo baby? Because your father was an icon.

I never got called that. Maybe because you didn't go in the profession that he was in. I mean, technically I did. I mean, you know what's interesting is that I don't feel like black people get called Nepo Babies in the same way that white people. do because I feel like... Bronny James did. Yeah, Bronny, that's a whole

another level. That's a whole another level. But like, oh, your dad, civil rights icon, and you on the daily show talking about black issues. The only reason you're there is because my daddy didn't give me that. I mean, there are definitely, you know, my pop's

died in 95, but also there are a great deal of people who I, I'm sure give me opportunities. because they knew my dad or because they respect his legacy, but I still think we're going to show and prove atmosphere, Bronny included. Wow.

Okay, you got skipped to the front of the line. We could argue the stats and say somebody else should have went in the second round. But sooner or later, Brian got to put the basket in the hoop or he's going to be gone. Same as anybody else in the way. We're going to finish up on this. You said your dad was a good father, but a questionable husband. Terrible husband.

Yeah. You think your mom, did you ever see your mom stay up at night crying, wondering where he was, when he was coming home? She just accepted the fact this is who he is, this is who she married, and this is what I'm going to deal with. My mom knew what it was. My mom had an exit strategy. You're on the fuck tit.

you don't gain anything from sitting here being sad about it what's your way out okay grad school law school bet how do you pay for it move in with him the boy gets a dad to beat the shit out of him if you jump bad and at night I can go be in school the boy will be straight because the pops will be home and latch key he's fine okay that's going to be my way out I don't think that my mom And I say think because she and I never talked about it. We still haven't talked about it yet. But I think that my mom and I, we just looked at it as, you know, I've always looked at my mom and I as a team.

We've always had each other's back. And I think that to some degree, the way my pops chose to treat her, she did not allow to define her. You can get the divorce and all, okay, fine. But that's the playbook she chose to run. I never saw my mama cry over that man. I never saw my mama stressed out over how he chose to treat her. I just saw a woman every night who worked hard

and asked for help when she needed it. And now in the later years of her life is a vessel of kindness to so many other people. She's the epitome of paying it forward. I just... So would you say we are not our circumstances but what we become from

our circumstances? Because a lot of times people will let their circumstances define who they are. Man, I came from this situation. This is how I am. I grew up like this. This is how I am. What did you become? Who are you from those circumstances? I didn't have the best father, but I became a great father.

You didn't let those circumstances define you. No. I didn't have the best examples of love, but I still seek the opportunity to create that construct for my son. And I will. You know, I just think that there has to be an order to some of it because what I don't necessarily know, and I think a lot of men deal with this and don't necessarily admit it or know how to explain it to women. But finding yourself and being comfortable with where you are career-wise and fiscally, a lot of that is a solo journey for men. Oh, you want to help me, you want to pour into me, you want to be my help meat, you want to be equally yoked, okay.

But there's still part of this for me that I have to go at alone first. And then you can come emerge in and pour into me and help. Because if you don't know whether or not you can do this yourself, then there's a degree of wondering who you are and what you are. The book, The Man of Many Fathers, comes out October 28th. What are the top three lessons you hope men learn from this book? I hope that men learn from my book that, it is okay if you didn't get everything from your dad.

That was the first thing that I really learned was that, oh, I didn't get it all from him, but I got everything I needed. When we talk about values, if it could be something as silly as don't snitch, but it could also be something as random as comedians that I know that have passed on who gave me the game on the importance of picking someone in terms of a mate that's supportive of you. I think that's a mistake that a lot of people make, you know, in this game. I hear me or Harmon say that.

The most important thing you'll ever make is the most important decision you'll ever make is who you choose to marry. It's very true. I agree with that. And I mean, as an unmarried man, I couldn't agree with that anymore. I think that also the degree of knowing and understanding that, that you're okay in spite of how you came up I don't think that it's very easy as a man to just write off the who what wins of a lot of shit and just go oh well my daddy didn't do this so I ain't shit no you got worth man you matter and being present for those kids

that's important, it's paramount. And I think that regardless of when your father passed, I think we're all men of many fathers. We're all poured into by innumerable people in our lives. And I think if you stop and took stock of any of those people, you would be blown away at how many lessons you might have missed miss that it's dope to be able to sit back and just think about now and reinforce and be able to pass it on to your kids.

I just, I look at my son every day, man, and I'm just grateful. I'm grateful that, like, I wouldn't have achieved half I've achieved in the last 10 years, if not for his presence. There's a drive in that. Two weeks after your dad passed, he was like, you heard from it. Like that showed up as a ghost But two weeks straight And it's weird because

Number one, I believe in ghosts I believe in all that That you believe in the supernatural Yes I don't f*** with Ouija boards I don't fuck with haunted houses It's all real to me That was a big thing when I was in college

They wanted to play with the Ouija Boy Because of bone thugs in harmony Ouija are you with me And you remember that the eight ball That thing you Magic eight ball No sir Don't touch it

Do not touch it Not my thing Like that stuff man It's weird because I heard my pop's ghost But all I heard them doing Was getting ready for work Yeah, go through a normal routine

I'm like You still got a job you're dead kick it I thought you was coming I thought you was coming back to tell me you had some money

buried somewhere no sir he came back because that's how bad the economy is you gotta stay at it Trevor Noah said your book

is honest raw and an absolute treat to read what was it like working with Trevor it was a blessing I

I've never met a black man with a better understanding of what to do with his anger than Trevor Noah. Wow. I'm very upset about a lot of the same things, but I think that's part of why he and I worked so well together. I'm the angry motherfucker from Alabama. I don't have patience or a tempered response. But Trevor was very measured and very kind. Still very on the nose, but he knew how to not lead with anger, which gave more understanding to the issues.

And I think it helped more people look at it and see, and, oh, well, what does Trevor have to say? I never possessed that. And I think sometimes it is time to yell. It is a time to be angry. And I think in that regard, he and I complimented one another. But Trevor had the ability to take anger

and quantify it into feelings and make people feel seen. And then through those feelings, try to make sense of what was happening. Roy, thanks for stopping by club. Shay, Shay, guys. Make sure you go out and check guests. book, his book out, The Man of

Many Fathers' Life Lessons, Disguised as a memoir. Man, brother, thank you. Ah, thank you, brother. Lloyd Wood Jr. On my life, they're grinding all my life. Sacrifice. Hustle paid the price. Want a slice. Got the roll of dice. That's why

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