Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Scarface Part 2

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Scarface — the legendary rapper and Geto Boys icon — sits down with Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for an unfiltered conversation packed with raw stories, hip hop history, and unforgettable celebrity moments. Face takes the stage in New Balance shoes, jokes about “jonesing” Shannon, and sips award-winning Shay by Le Portier VSOP cognac. He reveals that he often plays golf with Shannon’s brother, Sterling Sharpe, calling him a scratch golfer still showing off his strength. Born Brad Jordan in Houston, Scarface grew up with his grandmother, surrounded by his uncles’ music, a “crazy” grandfather, and the streets that shaped him. He recalls playing football like Walter Payton and Earl Campbell, ducking death during a store robbery, and surviving a shooting and open-heart surgery that stunned doctors. Face opens up about losing his biological father in a tragic shooting, his stepdad “standing in the gap,” and the sayings from his grandmother that still guide him. Scarface reveals that Ice Cube, Ice-T, LL Cool J, and Will Smith inspired his storytelling style, and he names Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, KRS-One, Nas, Jay-Z, Q-Tip, T.I., and Lil Wayne among the greatest lyricists ever. He remembers beating Jay-Z, Eminem, and Prodigy for top lyricist honors in 2001, and says Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Ice Cube, and LL Cool J were his biggest influences. He talks about Black history being erased like old-school rappers being forgotten. Face shares how Tupac became his “partner,” the wild stories from touring together, and the possibility they recorded Pac’s final song. He recalls being in the studio with Jay-Z as he freestyled verses without writing, and how Jay and DJ Khaled gave him lifelines when he was battling COVID and kidney failure like HOV did for Lil Wayne, DMX, 21 Savage. Scarface opens up about his own son ultimately donating a kidney to save his life. He talks about working with Kanye West, calling him a “cold” producer with beats for days, and having unreleased music together. Scarface also remembers discovering Ludacris as head of Def Jam South and learning from his mentor Ice Cube. He weighs in on Jim Jones’ comments about influencing Nas, Drake’s claim that UK rappers are better than American rappers (“like saying Kobe is better than Jordan”), and ghostwriting in hip hop. He says Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Beyoncé, and Taylor Swift-caliber artists are the only ones making money from streaming, while calling for others to take their work off streaming platforms. The conversation spans politics, fatherhood, and sports — from running for council to his love for the Houston Rockets, Kevin Durant, Jalen Green, the Texans, C.J. Stroud, and DeMeco Ryans, to respect for the young OKC Thunder. The episode closes with Scarface performing some of his biggest hits, breaking down their stories, and talking about making music with Mike Dean. This is Scarface — from the streets of Houston to the studio with Tupac, Jay-Z, Kanye West, and beyond — telling the stories only he can.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I remember when it was 99 cent to listen to it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, so here's the thing. Like, it cost, it costed us so much money to make those albums. It costs so much to pay a producer. But now, you know what?

I think producers may make a beat for $200 now. I'm not lying. But I know back in the gap, you know, a Dr. Dre beat was $250,000. You know, Timberlin beat was $150,000. as the Neptunes and all of them, that shit was high. So it would be shameful to get a beat from these top-notes producers and then have to put your shit on the stream and wait for it to stream. You know, 4,000 a million streams is $4,000.

What? Yeah. One million streams is $4,000. Wow. So you got to get, so Brad is in order to get some money, you got to do like a billion streams. If you want some money, yeah. So like Drake and Kendrick, they do in billions.

They're doing billions of streams. So they're getting money. Yeah, Beyonce, Taylor Swift. Streams, you know. But it's too much red tape, man, in between that. Because you don't never know. It's kind of like the record selling, too. You don't know how many records you really sold.

Right. You know what I mean? What they tell you. It's just go about what they tell you. You know, but the streaming, I still, I'm still not hip to how this works. Right. And that's why I'm not putting out any new music. I'm not releasing any new music because it would just be all done in vain.

Because those people have come up with something so slick to cut us all the way out of the money. You know, the mom and pop saved hip-hop. The mom and pop saved our lives. Because if we couldn't do anything else, we can sell 100,000 records. and making a million dollars. God forbid you sold a million records and made $10 million. But you used to go back of the day.

You look forward to going to the shop and get the vinyl. You did. And you read the credits. Yes. And you can roll a square on the record. You say yes. Yes.

Yeah. You know, you popped the cassette in. I introed my album to fix. I got this brand new face tape and I'm about to pop in the deck for you. Turn up the radio. you know what I mean? Yeah, like we

had jams, man, and they sold. Not just listening to shit, man. And I'm going to listen to this and I'm going to pay him half a penny. But after this, I want to hear something else and pay them half a penny. No, you had to buy that body of work. Yeah.

Like you can't, like a real artist, man, you can't judge their body at work by one song. Okay. I would prefer way more if someone would just listen to an album. from front to back. That's why all my shit jammed from front to back because I had a chance to listen

to my album from front to back. Right. And it jammed. You were at Def Jam South. You was running Def Jam South when you discovered Ludacris. I can't say I discovered Ludacris. He fell in your lap? A whole lot of shit fell in there.

Ludacris was already doing numbers. You know, he was already he was on the radio. Yeah. And he was already 30,000. thousand records sold already on that what's your fantasy yeah um so it was it was like a hands-off artist to me yeah and he just fell on the lap death jam picked it up and and pushed it a little further but you got to think about all of the other artists that slipped through the crack you had an opportunity

would you try to get t i try to get ross yeah david banner uh starting naming him i tried to bring him over there but back then the music that was coming from down south was so iffy to them. Like the music from down south was so iffy to them. They weren't on it like they on it right now. You know, at first you never, you didn't hear that. Right. Coming from the east coast of California. Now, that's all you hear. Even if you're not from down south, your music still sound like you from down south. Correct. That's crazy. Yeah. But it is what it is. What have you learned about Moneyface? it's only it's money like religion man

it's only as good as the person who has it or who believes in it you know what I mean because you can be you could be a a very very rich person and create a facade you know for everybody else like you're the best person

in the world right but when you're elected and the lights get put on you then they realize what kind of piece of shit you really are right or you can be just a regular person with no money

and be the greatest person in the world so it's only as good as the person who believes in it or has it it's like religion I think Fat Joe said on his podcast Joe and Jada that rappers live paycheck to paycheck You believe that?

It's possible. It's possible. Because you gotta think about it. You get paid, well, I don't know how to get paid now. I don't know how to get paid now. But you got paid twice a year. That's it? Mm-hmm.

So you had to make that money last? Yeah. Or you had to do a lot of shows. Right. Yeah, you got paid in, uh... September and March Mm-hmm Oh, the game is

The game is all the way around Cricket, you know And And, and And, you made You sold all of those records And you get paid twice a year And then they got something

They call reserves They put some records in reserves In case they come back and it's like damn then you never see that right and then it's like wow they got a cold system going on but

it is what it is right you know that's that's the way that's the way they designed it and I'm looking at all of the older artists that's like older than me I'm looking at

George Clinton get all his shit back you know they got it to where so your thing's going to revert back to you after what 25 years 35 35 so you ain't got

but like you ain't got me like 10 to go 10 yeah you ain't got much longer you think I'm gonna be here that long yeah you'd be here okay yeah I mean come to Houston me copy rights I'm not kicking in with you bro phase no sir same age I mean we you just talk age you saw you say same age we close at age I said you didn't say the same close bro you almost 60 well damn face why you give it out my info bro there ain't nobody ask you that. But you, I got the cars. Hey, but you know what, though?

You just talked, we talked about snitching early. You remember you mentioned snitching early? Hey, but you know what though? When you walked in the bill, I say, man, that man walked like, don't nothing hurt. What do they do? I got artificial hips. Oh, your hip's fake? Yeah. And then you don't feel nothing that plane, huh? No. Boy, when I get up,

man, I'll be, everything hurt. Man, you get your hips replaced, man. I mean, I've been there. I mean, sitting down, hurt, walking hurt, sleeping hurt, standing hurt, everything hurt. Man, I might need to get a new hip. You got two hips? Got both of them. They put two hips in?

Yeah. What they look like? Perfect. I mean, because you got to realize your hips are. No, I'm not, you're arthritic. Your hips are arthritic. They call probably arthritic. And so they go in.

So you got like some hips that came out of horns or they made you some hips? They're a ball, because the hip socket is a ball. So they just took the old hip out? So a hip is a ball? Yes. Ball socket, yes. Face. Did you see the, did you actually see the actual hip?

Yes. I could have kept it. I was like, no, I'm good. You never want to remember that shit number, huh? Yeah, that was a bad for years. Yeah, I got up out the chairman and channel and like, damn face. Yeah, man. What's wrong with you, man?

That shit hurt, man. I play golf every day. And I'm hurting right now. It looks like you play football every day. Hey, shit, I'm gonna bake your ass, man. You better leave me alone. Okay, my man, my man, my man. You gotta leave me alone.

But we just tell you. We told talking to face off camera. Faye's got kids, six, seven, who cares? Hey, this is a sound like a, uh, uh, he sound like a, he sound like an old ass, nigger that coached, uh, uh, uh, uh, Little League T-ball. Everybody get over there.

Everybody get over there and pick the balls up. Daniel, get the glove off the ground, son. What's wrong with you? But I read where you said you were terrible. You're bad father. You weren't. Yeah, no, I'm terrible. Have you gotten better?

Because you got your son? Chris, have I gotten better, Chris? Dang. Damn. All right, Chris. I missed a question. Oh. He said that.

Until I answer the question again, so he, Faye said he, uh, he didn't do too well as a father. No. He better now, Chris? Um, yes. I say yeah. He said, yeah. Chris wouldn't lie.

Shit. Chris lying now. I, um. Well, they haven't because you were so young because Yeah. Your oldest, I mean, you had your oldest was like 17. Yeah.

I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't really, um, I didn't really look at fatherhood as like being a father. I just figured that you throw money at and cover it up. But, uh, watching my children with their children, it made me a better father. I was like, oh shit. So this is what it is.

Yeah. You know, you're a better grandfather than you are a father. than you were a father. I can say that for sure. Yeah. My grandson come by the house the other day, man. And that chump,

uh, a chump walking and, you know, my other grandboy, I, that chump walking and talking. And every time you see me go, hey.

That's what I say to him. I'd be like, hey. You mean like, when he see me on the face, I'm hey. What did they call you? Grandpa, face. G.

Yeah. But Chris, I'm calling him Pop-au. Yeah, they call him Pop-O. He started that shit. That's all right. I'll get him back. That's what my grand called me.

My grandson called me Papa. I want to be Papa. Man, that's too bad. What you thought? But you are. You're fucking 60, bro. You are 60. That's close.

I'm 36 months older than you. Man, that man, counting the shit. I would have been like. And why I should have stayed in school, how man? I can't remember shit, man. I can't remember nothing, man. I can't remember nothing, man. Are you cool?

Are you cool with the parents, with their mom? I think so, yeah. Because you ran into a problem. But you know what, at this point, it ain't even about being cool with the moms no more. It's about being cool with the kids. But you had a situation where you were giving cash to one of the moms and not through the court. Yeah, I mean, everybody's going to go through that shit. Yeah.

Everybody's going to go through that shit, man. And I think that that is probably the most unfair thing that you could do to a, man. As a matter of fact, that creates a strain in parenting. You know what I mean? You'd be like, man, I want to spend time with my dad and be like, you was a token. You was a check. You wasn't, you wasn't that. Right.

This ain't that. You know, you was a pawn for a bigger scheme. I don't, um, and it's sad, you know, that that kid has to suffer like that. Yeah. Because the lady wanted to drag the parent, the other parent, threw some shit, and it's all on us. Right. You had to go through this shit, too? I have.

Yeah. So they, they, it's, everything fall on the, on the dude, you know, when. But we were young. I think the thing his face, like, when you're young, you don't really, it's not like, you know, if you have kids, like, in you late 20s, early 30s, but when you're having kids as a teenager in your early 20s, y'all don't know how to be no parent, and you do, and you're not doing what's in the best interest for the kid. I get mad at you. I'm trying to punish you, but I'm actually hurting the kid. And it wasn't until you start to realize like, look, come on now. It's about them. It ain't about us. And then once you realize that, you're like, Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, in my case, big bro, and a whole lot of cases, and I can speak for a lot of men out there, like in that situation that had a lot of money,

it's guys that don't want to parent them, them kids, some kids because the mother used that kid as a payday. You're like, here, I'm just going to pay you off. I don't want to do it either one of y'all. And that's some bad shit, too. Yeah, it is. Absolutely. You know, but it is what it is.

If Mama would have been, you know, straight up in the beginning, then that wouldn't have been the result in the end. Right. And don't do bad shit to everybody else because, you know, the shit didn't work out with you. Right. You know, don't be bitter at him because it didn't work out, you know, just take that. Yeah, you have to do it.

Sometimes you just have to bite your lip and do, you know, hey, I understand you don't like me, but hey, I'm still going to come get the kid. They're going to the Super Bowl. They're going to be with me during the summer. They're going to do all that stuff? All that shit. All that. I get it. Yeah.

Yeah. And it works like that in some cases. You have to. Chris just left, but Chris is your son. And he gave you second chance at life. He gave you a kidney. When you found... I gave him the first chance.

No, I'm a message. Go ahead. No, he did. When you found that, because obviously you got to go to match. It's not a match. That's not... That's not true? No. If me and you, yeah, we'd have to see if we match.

Right. But he comes out my nutbag. Right. So I know that's my kid. You know what I mean? Yeah. So how do you ask a son? I did not.

Really? He asked me. You broke down crying, did you? No, not then. I probably could now, though. Because he saved my fucking line. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I said, no, I need a Ferrari. That's what you would have said? That's why I ain't called you. That's the main reason why I ain't call your ass, because I knew what you was gonna say. Crip, hey, Chris, you should have held out, Chris. the hell out, Chris, you could have got it. And then, just this past,

I think it was what, October? You had the heart. August. August. Yeah. Yeah. Were you having shortness of breath? What was going on? Uh,

so, I had an arid hernia back in 2014. And when they scoped me, they noticed that I had an aneurysm on my aorta, a small one. And it was like, you know, we ain't got to do nothing now, but we got to watch it.

And I was like, okay, cool. And I was like, well, y'all might as well go on and fix it if you can, you know. He said, no, we got to cut you up. And I was like, no thanks. Right. Yeah, no thank you. And as time went on, man, time went on. We was watching it.

We was watching it. We was watching it. Caught the COVID. Kittneys fell. You know, running the heart. You know, they didn't know what the COVID was. I was probably one of the first people in America that have this shit.

Wow. Yeah. And they seen what it did, your heart, seeing what it did to your lungs and all this, and they noticed that the little thing was getting bigger. The aneurysm was getting bigger. Fast forward to kidney transplant, it's there.

It's time to go ahead and get it done. Right. You know, but I pushed it, I'll push it off, push it, I'll push it, off, push it, off. For years. and it kept getting bigger and bigger, it just wouldn't go, it's not going to go away. Right. That problem is one of those ones that just don't go away.

So, my cardiologist, you know, did all, he worked me up and looking at it and introduced me to my surgeon. His name is Dr. Andrea Corti, probably the most sought out the best heart surgeon in the world. He did babies. You know, he did their surgeons. Right. So he's really, really incredible. Long story short, man. He was like, man, he wanted to put me on a transplant list to get a heart transplant. Wow. Yeah. And he said, man, why don't you do this CT scan so I can just see what I'm up against? Right. You know. So that Friday, Well, whatever day that was, we did the CT scan, he saw it or whatever, and then, I say, well, I'm going to be ready when I come off this tour. And I can't remember what month that was.

They may have been February or something. And he insinuated to, you know, he said something to the extent of him, like, I may not have that much time. But I didn't want to have this shit done in the first place. So I was willing to run the risk of dropping dad on stage. If I had to. Right. This is real shit. Yeah.

It's real shit. When I came back off the tour, I had an appointment and he said, we're going to schedule it. This was in April, or June. We were scheduling for August. Right. All right. So time kept coming near, kept getting there, kept getting there, kept coming.

It's cycling. Man, I go to the doctor and they want to do another CT scan opted out of it Friday, that Friday. I said, I'll come back Monday and do it, because I got to be in here Tuesday to do the surgery anyway. So I went on that Monday morning and got the CT scan done, and they were looking at it and everybody looked nervous and worried, right?

And I told him to take this shit out of my hand. I'm not staying here, I'm having surgery in the morning. I'm going to go. And one of those doctors came in and told me. He was like, hey man, you're coming in the morning and have surgery? I said, yeah. He said, good. don't forget right I left I'm having a lunch with a with a good friend of

mine and her bodyguard and they call my phone and she said it was a certain coordinator that said the doctor said you need back in the hospital now you need to be back in hospital right now I say well I got a tea time tell the doctor, tell the surgeon to call me and tell me that his self. So two seconds later, my phone rings. And I say, damn, doc, it busted. They say, I don't know if it happened a week ago or 10 minutes ago, but you need to get back now. So I went and I got me a pint of ice cream and some butterpeacon? No, vanilla, from homemade vanilla. And I went to French. Because I knew that was it.

So you said, I'm going to have me some vanilla ice cream. What drink is there? And some fried chicken. Yeah. I went to the hospital, man, and I remember my mama saying that it's just a win-win for him. If he lived, he win. If he died, he win. And, uh, shit, I got up a couple of days.

I didn't even know, I didn't even know it was, uh, I thought of like the same thing day. Right. It was like two days later. Like a day of some change later. Yeah. Like, I was out of there. And when I woke up, they had the tool in my mouth, and I could breathe, but I couldn't breathe.

So, Ms. Felicia was like, put it back down, put it back down. Like, I was trying to take that tube out of my mouth, but they had me strapped down, and I couldn't breathe. So they put me back out again. And then they put you in a coma, had you? They put me back out. But the lady was trying to give me to do shit, and I was like, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

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Yeah, I had it. And I woke up, man, from that shit with, when I out and everything. And you're the only one I left FaceTime because, man, I said, man, you ain't had no damn overheart surgery. He said, man, answer the phone. He said, anybody else in the phone. Look, I know you don't need no FaceTime. The heart open. No. Yeah.

You got it. But the first thing I said when I woke up, I seen my mama, man. I looked at my mom. I was some tough mama. Tough mama. Tough. And she said, yeah, baby, you're tough. But that was the first words to my mom and I'm tough mama.

Wow. Yeah. Now you work out, you watch what you eat. No. You don't watch what you eat? Get up and walk away from me, yeah. No, I'm just playing. He's a bad ass.

You said if you knew you're going to live so long, you took better care. Hey, man, my mom used to say that man, and now I understand why. Yeah, if I knew I was going to live this long, I'd take better care of myself. You still eat oxtails, though. You still eat fried chicken. You still eat pork chopped. No, I don't. You eat fried catfish?

No, sir. You don't eat nothing fried? Once in a while, I don't really eat bad, and I don't eat a lot either. So what's a typical meal? Okay, you're gonna be breakfast. You're a breakfast person? I am. Okay, you what?

Grets, eggs? No. I eat two, uh, two, uh, sprammel, not scramble, over easy eggs. Okay. And I eat a chicken sausage with it. Okay. And then for lunch, I may eat a salad. And then for dinner, it could be anything.

You don't eat salad? salad? I mean I mean not just a salad yeah I can eat a salad so you have chicken on it you have you like salmon? I love salmon that's my favorite that's my go-to

but now I don't really I don't really go ham on food no more because I've been fat before and I'm taking testosterone shots and I'm getting fed again so are you not working out? Not yet. What are you waiting on? Man I got to get I just had open heart surgery less than a year

ago. I don't want to be lifting no way this motherfucker bus back open. I'm sitting on the football field with my little league football team and I'm excuse me, trying to teach this kid. Yeah. I do a goddamn push-up and I get down there and I feel this shit

pulling the part of you. I'm like, damn. Yeah. Well, you took the shot before you started working out. You supposed to work out there take the shot? No. Man, see, there you go. Look at me. I came with you, man. You won't take nothing serious.

How did you guys, the Giddle Boys, how did you, how did that come about? Were you all friends? Did y'all know each other? Uh-uh, I didn't know them. But damn. Didn't know them. Most people in the group that start a group, they know each other. With the high school together, with the middle school, lived in the same neighborhood.

How the hell y'all form a group and not know each other from the junk? So, the Scarface song, Jay heard it. And then coming to the career. wanted me to be a ghetto boy. So I get into the van, this is the infamous van, and Willie, and Red and Bushwick,

and I think Jukebox was there. And he was, Bushwick was a dancer at the time. He wasn't even no rapper yet. Right. And it was me, Willie Dean, Jukebox that was rapping. That's why when you listen to, um,

Trigger happy I can't say it was that It was a couple of songs that Jukeboxer did when he was a part of the ghetto boys that knew when me and Bushwick I'm then when me and Willie Bill wasn't in the group He was just a dancer at that time And let me remember this correctly

But some kind of way, Jukebox had left the group. And I don't remember if it was Willie's idea or Jay's idea, whose idea was to have this little rapper talking, cast shit and rapping, you know, a little guy. And so from that point on, Bito worked with him in the mirror, you know, helping him, you know, with his, with his words with his raps and Willie and I wrote records for Bill right while he recited them but I didn't know Bill and I didn't know Willie I didn't know none

of them you know right and um red left the group um before my mind playing tricks on me came out before that we can't be stopped out right and um Shoot, that's kind of how I... Got to happen? Yeah. I didn't know nobody and they didn't know me, but I would make a record with them and I would just be gone. Right. I make a song and I would leave.

But then Jay put us at the ranch and then we had to stay there. Right. So we make a song and then start another song and then start another song. You know, and we did that four week or two. Right. We made that first Ghetto Boys album in a week or so, two weeks. If there is a buy-up about the ghetto boys, who's going to pay the Scarface? What age?

Well, you're in the ghetto boys? What age? They got to say, like, when I went while I walked the time when I was in it? Yeah. I don't know. I'd have to use one of my kids. Like Cube did. Cube used this kid to betray him.

But can your kid rap? Chris, can you rap? Yeah, you can't Brad can rap Bryce can rap Okay Somebody can rap If not

I'm fine an actor Somebody good Probably the dude They play Bobby Brown Or something Uh Jay Prince said The Fed

The Fed's tried to get you To flip on him Do you remember that time? They always Trying to get somebody To flip on Jay Yeah But you stay ten toes

It's a Jay Prince said Him Shug Irv Gott Was trying to create the distribution label. And that's when all the shit started. Really?

I feel like that when they was talking about flipping the script and taking the power away, you know. I think if you're putting out your own you're 100% independent and you're putting out triple platinum albums independently and you're taking everybody out, can't nobody eat off of it.

But y'all, hell, somebody's going to start paying attention because you with somebody's money. Right. You know, and this ain't nothing, but America ain't nothing but money in law. That's it. You got money in the law. Right. That's the only thing that separates.

Money in law. The album cover, we can't be stopped. Is that the greatest cover? I hated it. Why? If you look at my face on that album cover, I absolutely hated that cover. What the... I just feel like it was, you know,

I always say that, too. Like, I think, I honestly think that that was chief that pulled that patch down off BLI. Did this girlfriend really shoot him in the eye? That's, y'all made that up. No, a girl shot Bill in the eye for real. What, you're shooting with, 22? 22. Yeah.

Shot him in the eye. So he was. I wasn't making that up and saying my eye. I wasn't there. But I know that he shot him in the eye. She shot him in the eye. That's a hard cover, though. Yeah, he was a hard cover, but, you know,

the man was, Bill wasn't even woke. He's sitting up in that motherfucker dead. He was like, I y'all do the band like that, man. See what I'm saying? That wasn't me. Hey, my, the chief had with the phone in his head, she's like, Yeah!

You got to prop his ass back up, look. What's up, Bill? Politics, you ran for councilman, and you're going to... Council, yeah, I ran for city council. You're going to do it again? You're going to do it again? I am. I was going to do it this time, but there's snake in the grass.

Yeah. You don't say no names, but he's a snake. He was telling me that he was going to do this in this seat and I was going to do that in that seat. And yeah, man, we're going to do this together, man. We're going to be together, man. And then push, turn into a shove and the home boy was like, he did something else. So, nah. I'm going to do it, though, again.

You going to do it again? Yeah, but they won't be on those terms, though. Right. and be on my own. Have you always been in the politics? I have. I've always been in the politics. Tricks, polytricks.

Politrics, okay. That's what's happening now. Right. I think that if people really gave a damn about the condition of black people, then they would do more than talk. Right. You know, they would do more than

spoon feeders. If you really, really, really, really gave any too about the condition of our community, then you would do what needs to be done for that community. And it's not putting programs in place or it's not, you know, government assistant, or it's not this or that taking our education away from us so we'll never know who the we are. It's not that, all right? And I don't know why a certain group of people feel like they have to continuously punch down, that's a word, punch down on black people.

I know for a fact that black people are so great, so great. I'm talking about birthright great. Yeah. Birthright great. until people would do anything to dim that light do anything to dim that light

or make you forget who you are and then impose and interject the you that they want you to be and that would be the you that you become if you really think about it.

I know you're a sports fan and you guys got KD. Y'all going to win the championship this year? I like KD. I like KD. I like KD. I ask you are you going to win the championship? I said I like KD. We have a... Y'all got a good-ass team. We got a great... KD.

Amman Thompson. Y'all Shingoon? Y'all resigned Van Shingoong. Shingoon. Let's hear it. Never mind. Because look, when I was a little boy... Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. When I was a little boy, right, we said a big-ass word. And my grandma I'm going to be like, so-so, so-and-so, spell it.

Yeah. So when I heard Shang-G-O-N, I said, spell it. Yeah. I think it's S-E-N-G-U-N. However you spell it. Boy, so one time, Brad was like four or five, and Bryce was like two, right? And Bryce walked up to Brad, and he slapped the shit out of Brad. And I heard and I look back and Bryce said, oh, Brad, I'm sorry, Brad.

I'm so sorry, Brad. I'm sorry, Brad. That was an accident. And I say, accident, spell accident. He said, B-R-Y-C-E, accident. It was an accident. It didn't mean to do it. Bryce spelled accident.

That was really good. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. So y'all won the championship this year? I didn't say that. The Texans. Y'all won the championship?

I love C.J. Stroud. I love my. our head coach. I love I like Miko. I like D'Amico. Domingo Rines is a mean. He was a cold-in-line line, but I don't have nothing bad to say about the Texans, the Rockets

or the Astros. I think we got three different sport franchises that are excellent. See, when I move there, we can go to the games and stuff. I'm not going nowhere with you. I wouldn't, and it's not me,

and I'm not the junior, that's why they don't have me in their seat. But I don't move Jalen Green and a few first-round draft picks for KD at this age. They're trying to win now, like tomorrow. Okay, yesterday. Man, I don't think there's nobody in the league that's going to be better than KD right now. Yeah. But he's 38. 36. Oh, he's 36? Yeah.

Warren, how you tell me the man was 38? Oh, he's 36? Yeah. Oh, shit, I would have took KD any day. I thought he was old as hell. Duh. I thought, you remember when the Rockins picked up Scottie Pippings? Yeah.

And Scottie Pippen was like 42? Yeah. Like, damn. Yeah, he's on his last leg. Yeah. Yeah. The KD ain't on his last leg. KD got some mean-ass game.

Yeah. So now that KD's 36, you all that made it. And, yeah, we'll probably get to the dance. But we got to go see goddamn Steph, man. And Steph can shoot from outside. outside in the parking lot. You've got to go see the Thunder, too. Oh, them young cats with no names.

Yeah. You're talking about the no-name game? Ain't got no names over there. They don't have no big name. Do they got a big name over there? Shea, the MVP. He's a big name. Never was he a big game, big name?

I mean, he's just been averaging 30 the last three years. I'm just saying he's a, he wasn't, you ain't LeBron James and, Shea. You're not, you're not, oh, that's cold. Like, you know. Yeah, but, yeah, but I mean, you're talking about historically all times. transcendent great players. They ain't but a thousand of them. But what I'm saying about these kids

is they, that's a team full of no-name. They're not star names. They're great. They're not star. That works for them. And that worked, man. And they kicked ass, man.

They kick, I'm so proud of the Thunder, man. Like, them was little kids, man. What's the oldest? 25. I think the average age is like 26. God, damn. And you did, They did that?

They did that. Wow. I'm very, that's a coaching. Let me get off the players and get on the coaching. Because they probably had that team a couple of years ago too. They got better. That coaching man. That coaching, bro.

Can't beat that coaching man. So now I'm proud of the thunder. So we got to get through Steph and then we got to get through the no-name gang. And then we'll get to the dance. Faye. Thanks for stop by. Man, don't squeeze my hand hard, bro. I swear.

Oh, goodness. Much of love. See, you tried to give me. I wasn't trying to squeeze that motherfucker. Man, his hand feel like two big ass catchers miss, right? I'm trying to shake the man's hand. Scarface, ladies and gentlemen. What's going to be unique about this today, we're going to throw out a song, and Face is going to tell us the meaning behind the song where it was what he was thinking when he actually wrote

the lyrics to this song. So the first song we're going to start out with is Mary. and how the music came about. How that came about. Yeah. So I wrote it originally to the Commodore song called Say Yeah. Okay. You'll feel that now that you know that.

Like the way the words are spaced out. So I wrote it like that. I ended up recorded in LA. And Mike Dean came up with a piano line. It went like this. It was like... And then tone hit the drum and it was kind of like... And then tone hit the drum and it was kind of like...

Right. I remember clearly, because I had took a, this is bad, but I took an ecstasy. Oh! And it's just one of them, being in the studio in a vocal booth by yourself, and it was cold. And the only thing that came to my mind was, and I don't really remember feeling like this. Right. and it went. That's how it went.

I wanted to I wanted to make it sound like I was talking about a woman, right? Right. So I'm at my mother-in-law's house. My wife is laying in the bed's sleep and I'm like, damn, I've got this love for him in my life

for this dame. and indeed of the form of life and that's a shame how man can fall in love with leaves and now the brains not afraid to let you up and leave and do your things share the happiness with all my folks

and got us high for the days that we was hey wait shed her happiness with all my folks and got us high for the days that we were lost and broke shit I said shit in this song

got us by on the radio got by got us by only right we're stopping Get the props because she came The block I've only found the crops I need to hear you saying

So the same chick that sung It's the thuggish ruggish bone Yes Sung the hook on this Really? Really And she went And tell her what's saying Say Mary, I love

I love That came from the Rick James part of it Yes There you go Mary I love Now I pick up my guitar

and I put a bean that's going And then Da-la-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-be-h-h-h-h. And then the hook came back in It was like Mary Love Yeah

And the second verse is like When the world starts to stretch you out What you do Put a cancer stick off in your mouth Or grab a brew Sold in stores but the fact remains this They were made And the government's been taxing that

Getting paid That's why I was all illegal in the first place That's why I was all illegal Because the government couldn't tax it And get paid from it But if it's taxable It's cool as smoke then Kill or not

Ain't it alcohol that's killing folk True or not Other people try to make you bad But I know you not When my situation is looking sad I know I've got a true friend In my time of need Because you all I need

Girl you natural You come from seeds Not out of greed It makes me happy when I'm feeling paining once again it makes me happy just to hear your name do your thing Mary Jane

Just sit there and you just smoke down Yeah When you didn't need to smoke out You're already high Yeah but that song make you smoke out I was exed out when I was Exactly When I wrote it

And that's why you hear the first word is going Got this love forming in my life and then it got no going for this day and indeed the form of life that's a shame like it was some shit going on in that song that was kind of

you had to be high face when you're writing a song do you have an idea of the chords no clue no clue you just writing the words I'm just writing the music okay um to songs and then the words

will kind of come like you kind of start off with a piece an idea and then you write a verse to it and then whoever you're working with on the song will you know we'll start working on it more and putting it more together so you write your first first and you lay it

and then you work on the music a little bit and you go home and you write the second verse and then you put the first verse with the second verse and then you write the third verse and then you lay it all and then you listen to it and listen to it and listen to it and then you go back and re-record it and sometimes I don't even have to re-record it because it's that perfect wow I believe in being

absolutely perfect So you don't You know a lot of times when you're on a set Or you're doing a movie You're doing a commercial Oh that was perfect But let's do one more time Just to make sure

You're like once you lay it And you're like you feel good about it You're done That's it I don't need a safety Don't need one Guess who's back So that was a record

I was trying to get a record from I was trying to get a record from Jay Z Okay And Kanye was playing beats and j-Z was sitting in the corner in a chair and um conier was playing beats and jay was sitting there and he was talking and then he heard those pianos and he was like i'm jake hofer and this is back 40 a limited series show on Wire to Hunt,

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And he goes in the vocal and he lays vocals. Like he never wrote nothing down. He didn't write it down. So he just hearing the beat And he just here and he goes into the To the booth And he lays it down And then I'm sitting at the board

He leaves me stuck at the board writing Every time Daps me up and he leaves the room Right I come in I'm writing I'm thinking about what I'm going to say So I'm writing

And I said From the womb to the tomb with a hot pot adjoin a spoon trying to touch me 40,000 and move. Listen, from the womb to the tune with a hot pot adjoin a spoon, trying to touch me 40,000 and move to the next dope spot. Yeah. To the tomb with a hot pot of joint and spoon, trying to make me 40,000 and move. Motel star-studded Rock stars and goons

Playing clothes Wanted run in my room But guess who's bizat It's your boy Face Mom I started with an eight ball Gotta get this cake dog Give niggins to break gnaw

You know how the game go You think I slain four To go against the grain No I'm out here in grind mode Wrapped up in the paper chase I want a fucking buy a hole Candy paper 88

I ain't got no wholesale Because that ain't how I want to run it Here take these five stones and bring a nigga back 100. I gotta see my feet, dude. You do shit a fiend dude. The fire get too hot in the kitchen. I hit some streets, fool.

Money is an issue. And that's on the for shizzle, my nizzle, your block warm. I come by with that pistol. And make a show I get to work mine. One car at a time. Because if a motherfucker got a block bubbling, right? And you want that b-the-one?

The only way that you can get that block from this is go by there and shoot it up. And then the cops will be sitting out there. Okay? All right? I come by with that pistol and make for sure I get to work mine one car at a time we go to war and you ain't making a dime

you don't want to go to war nigger let me go on down here and work my shit too you know we go to war and you ain't making a dime because I ain't got shit to lose a nigga out here paying his dues my baby walking got to get in some shoes

it's a new game brewing let me get you get the rules get out of line and I'm going to get the rules get out of line and I'm making it get the blues it's a new game brewing let me get in you get you Get the boos, get out of the line.

I'm going to get you the blues. On my block. So I was in the studio. These are death jam albums, by the way. Those are deaf jam songs. And those songs were so, that was probably the easiest time I've ever had to record an album because I didn't have to make the music to it. Okay.

But a couple of guys came by the studio. Nachine, well, Masheen Meryk came to the studio and he was playing beats. And they had this record that was by Roberta Flack and Donnie Hathaway. And it went like this It was like, It was like, be real black for me Be real black for me Remember that?

Yes. It's something by dope-ass music. So I'm hearing the vibe And I'm thinking about, like, the best way, like, how does this music make me? How does this beat make me feel? How does the piano riff make me feel? Like, I want to say something about my neighborhood, man.

Like, they've been like the same old thing on my block. Like, let's reminisce on what's happening on the block. Every day, been like, the same old thing on my block. You either work and, like, you juggle cocaine. cane on my block. You had to hustle because that's how he was raised on my block and you stayed on your hop until you made you were not.

On my block, hang out with a thing back then. And even if you left out you came back in to my block from Holloway, Belford to Scott. Reed rode to flocks. We know the spots. Just go we to rocks. Just go we the rocks. We know

how, we know where to get that shit from, man. We know where to get it. Let's go we the rocks The drink or the blue dots on your block You probably bred a fat pad or Tupac A big pun of B-I Your homeward from knee-high And even if it was storming outside

That nigga B-bye That's me, dog, on my block I ain't had to play no big shot Them niggins knew me back When I was stealing beer from Shamrock And my nickname was creepy And if black June can see me he'd be Tripping

And I bet he still probably teased be your mom block. Black June was the homie, man. He got killed young by a police officer. He was in high-speed chasing. They shot through the car and shot him in the back of the neck, 17 years

old. And he never got a chance to see that life, man, because he died way back in the 80s, man. And if Black June could see me, he'd be tripping. And I bet he still probably teased, Man, so my block, but everything is everything for she'sy.

Oh, my block, we've probably done it all, homie, believe me. On my block, we made the impossible look easy for shezy. I never lead the block, the homies need me. Never lead the block, I never lead the block. I never lead the block. The homies need me. Imagine if you took the game, you took the instructions out the game. Right.

It ain't going to operate. You know, I remember talking about. the car. It's like, on my block, we race Impala's bone stock. On my block, I ain't have to play the big shot. On my block, we race Impala's own. On my block, we race Impala's bones, though, on my block. On my block, we keep on all the time playing at Domit. Keep the swish sweets down till my mama goes back in the house. Hey, listen, do you remember when you used to have to hide your door from your boy?

You don't know nothing about you. We don't know. So you used to have to hide that shit from your mom when they come outside, right? Yeah. You're like, on my block, we cueing all the time playing dominoes. Keep that swishers sweet down until my mama goes back inside. And then we can find. Fine.

Yeah. Passing around a few times and get high. I remember sitting back, man, the neighborhood. I got footage of this on my Instagram page. I was sitting in the backyard of my homeboy house. And we drink beer. We barbecue. We tail, tails, you know, smoke a few squares.

Pull it down from me. I remember when we was kids, right? I'd be like, man, let's go smoke some dope. And that meant it was going to go out and smoke a few squares. Right. Now when somebody say let's go smoke some dope, you don't know what the fuck they're talking about. So I'd be like, you know what, man? Go ahead. I don't get

a house. But you know, back then, face it, cigarette, anything smoking, you had to hide from your parents. It wasn't just weed. You know, funny thing, I never had to do that. Really? You could smoke around your mom? Boy, you were lucky. I mean, I don't know how lucky I was, but I grew up in the

but it started with my grandmother. Okay. All right? So I lived in the house of my grandmother and my uncles and all my uncles smoked this shit, right? Right. And they started smoking at a young age. When I had a cigarette, I was smoking in the house. I couldn't have been no more than 19... And I know people don't think I'm full of shit, but I swear to God. I'm 19, 11, 12 years old. I'm smoking.

Matter of fact, I'm at school with a smoking pass. Back in junior high school, you can smoke cigarettes at school if you had a pass. Right. You had to get clear by your parents. You had to get clear from your parents. I'm telling my age right now. I'm 54, but yeah, I was smoking for real. Wow. Yeah.

Wow. Not proud of it, but shit. You did what you did. I did what I did, man. This song, because I really want to know the backdrop. I've never seen a man cry until I seen a man die. The backdrop of that.

So, the backdrop of that man is I got high. Man, you've been writing some fire-ish when you high. Yeah. I was stoned. And I promised that if I ever came down off that high, I wouldn't never get high again like that. But I was drinking beer and taking painkillers. Okay.

And I had smoked the joint. I don't want nobody to try that shit at home. What kind of combo were you on? Drinking beer, smoking, taking pain pills? So I had broke my arm. Either that all I got shot Something had happened Hey on face

Yeah And I needed I didn't want to hurt no more A Nate dog had the coldest song on that one I don't want to hurt no more Don't want to hurt no more Yeah I didn't want to hurt no more Right

So I took a pain killer I was drinking mill of lights anyway I smoked the square Yeah, that shit didn't end well. Did it, did the words, I mean, how long did it take you to come up to lay those verses for that? Did it just start, the pen just started writing it, like an auto pen. So, I was in the studio, and I made a beat, and it started with a bass line. And the baseline went like,

Right? I did on the keyboard. And then I played the, right? So that's what I wrote the words too. Okay. The bait, the beat, the beat. So that's the original way that I set it up. And then Mike Dean comes in with the... Let me hear. He had the... Mike Dean also played this guitar part that went kind of like this. So I had to take this home, right? So I had to take this home, right?

And I'm high as hell. And the first thing I came up with was, he was his father with his hands out. He could feel the tainted slightly, glad to be the man's child. The world is different since he's seen it last. In seven years, he's out of jail, and he's happy that he's free at last.

All he had was his mother's letters. Now he's mobile, and he's got to make a change and make it for the battle. But he's black. So he's got one strike against him. And he's young. Plus, he came up in the system. But he's small And he's finally Making 18 Right

I'm coming up With these words Man The words are flowing Right But the more I wrote The more dead I felt Yeah I was

I was gone I had that kind of high I had that blackout high Yeah You know So that's the That was the writing process On this song

Man I was I didn't want to I didn't want to be high No more You know what I mean I remember that verse where I said I hear you breathing

but your heart no longer sound strong but you kind of scared of dying so you hold on and you keep on blacking out and your pulse is slow so I'm trying to fight the creepers just relax and let it go that's how high I was

wow that was high when I was writing that record yeah I really went in there got some shit because there's no way you can fight it though you still try

and you can try it till you fight it but you still die your spirit leaves your body and your mind clears your morning starts to set in you out of you like that's real that's how I felt

man wow but when I got to the studio in land I wasn't high no more that was coming with that and it was like he greets his father with his hands out rehabilitated slightly

but glad to be the man's child the world is different since he's seen it last out of jail been seven years and he's happy that he's free and last all he had was his mother's last now he's vocal and he's got to make it change and make it for the better but he's black so he's got one strike against it

and he's young plus he came up in the system but you never know how those words are going to come out upon delivery because I'm I stand firm on letting the beat guide. Okay. I use my voice as an instrument.

Like, you'll never hear a song for me where the beat is doing one thing and my voice is doing another. Like, it's not going to be a monotone. Right. Like, you know, how some rappers get on the microphone and they rap the same way every time because they're not letting that beat lead. You know, they're rapping off of their own instinct and not letting that beat guide.

You got to look that beat guide. And in order to let that beat guide, it's a vibe. And survive, man. So, you know, some records you hear me rapping this way, and the next you'll hear like, who's that nigga? Right.

Like, I remember one time we was doing that, sitting at the stoplight, looking at holes, peeping out this bitch in her black jabots. Windows rolled up tight, top was closed. Blowing switches, sweet smoke out my nose. 40 called me. Right. He's like, man, you let Warren get on the track? I'm like, nah, nigga, that's me.

Yeah, so I'm changing my voice. I'm changing, I'm changing the dynamic, the pitch. I'm changing the flow. The cum lines are different. You know, the patterns, the rap patterns are different. Sunday morning, I'm off in church, sending throughout the week, hustling every day. I'm getting it as we speak. I listen to preach to preach. Mama singing the song Annie clapping the hands

No, choir singing the song Ain't he clapping the hands My mama singing along I'm uncomfortable I want to leave Can let my mama, I'm seeing I ain't listening to the message But it's It's different deliveries

On different songs Different songs call for different deliveries Different beats man Is it never been a situation Where you write it While you're high And then when you come down off that You're like okay

I hope I can get right back into that headspace that. Oh, once you get in this in there, once you find out, once you get back to what you were writing and the pattern that you was writing it in, you're in there. But I ain't wrote nothing high in a long time.

Of course, I ain't been writing, but I ain't did nothing. I ain't, damn, Shannon, you're trying to act like I'm just a dope thing. Like, I gotta be high. Nah, I'm messing with you, but not, I wouldn't, I, I, um,

it's just, you know, I don't smoke weed all the time. you know but when I do I'm not just going to be burning our brain cells so it's got to be something being created do you that's what I was about to ask when you smoke are you spoken

to get in a a frame of mind that you can write no oh you just spoke you just spoke to smoke no I'm not just smoking I'm smoking I'm smoking the I'm smoking the I'm smoking to spark ideas right

but I'm just not right around smoking all day long just to be smoking. So if you see me smoking some weed, I'm in a vibe. Right. And I haven't smoked weed in a long time. Is that what it would take you to get back in? I mean, what would it... No,

what would it take you to get back to the pen that we know face to have? They got to pay. Like, the shit is free now. I'm not... It's not paying, man. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, this is where the money is. Like, short and I out on a tour, we're calling it the

function. You know, this is where the money is. Even though Todd is we still recording, E40 is still recording. Everybody's still recording. I just don't see the value, and I'm spoiled. I'm spoiled. I remember when you can sell a record, you can sell records,

you can sell records, $5, $6,000, $9, $10. Correct. Now, it's zero, it's half a cent on a cent for a stream. So I don't see the value and waste of my time, but I can't get my time back. Right. You know, I got a catalog that'll carry me in, you know, Yeah, you're good.

You feel me? Like, I got a pretty decent catalog. And I'm always thinking of some other funky ways to revamp me. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, this just didn't come overnight. Like, I've been doing my band shift for 20 years. Matter of fact, aunt sent me something yesterday.

Send us something where it was, how long was that? 25 years ago? It was 25, almost. 20 years ago, okay? Of us, you know, working with our band shit. all right and I went on the road with a band and I wasn't even getting paid

but I knew that eventually the game would catch up to what I'm thinking yeah where I'm at in my mindset because we can stand on stage and grab our shit and walk in and lip sync to our shit or we can bring it back

to the essence of where it came from you know like I we built this music man right we built this music Tupac's last song he recorded was with you

1994 smile I can't say that hello yeah do you remember that before you passed it might have not been 94 what year would that did smile come out it came out in 96 it came out 97

but we recorded it when you got that September hey man you know what That could very well be the last song that he recorded. Absolutely. That could very well be the last song because I remember leaving L.A. going to Chicago and getting the hearing that he was shot. But me knowing Pock, like I know Pock, you know, he's going to get up and he's going to be talking shit again.

Right. All right. You can very well be right, man, because we recorded that in September or June. Mm-hmm. And he got shot in that September. Okay, we recorded that song in June or July of 96. He got shot and killed in 96. September.

Okay, so that can very well be that last record. But I like me knowing Pac and how he worked, I doubt it. It's possible, though, because he probably laid down 15, 20 songs a day. Because that was, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was the Tyson. Field fight? It might have been Bruno. Check the fact. See, I went to the Frank Bruno fight.

That was in like April of 96. Okay. Who would he fight right after that? I think it was Holyfield. I can't say that. We'll look it up. We've got to look that up. Yeah.

I think he was fighting Pothar or somebody. It wasn't Holyfield, though. Because he, remember, he fought Holyfield back to back. He fought him, he lost, and then he turned around and fought him again, in 97 when he bit his ear. Yeah, but no. Pock was still around, though. Mm-hmm.

No? I don't think so. I mean, see, we can look it up. See, when did Pock get killed? I think it was September of 96. Okay, so when did Tyson fight Holyfield? September 13, 1996. 713?

So you said Tyson-Holome? Yeah. He fought him twice. He fought him in 96 and 90s. He fought him in December, right? He fought him on my birthday, November 9th. So, yeah, November 9th, 1996. The second fight was June 28, 1997.

When did the two pocket kill? September. Yeah, September 13th, 1996. So it's. I'm Jake Hofer, and this is Back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode, I'll be asking,

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Because I was at the Bruno fight in April. Yeah, Bruce Seldon. Bruce Seldon. Okay, one of the big on. Yeah, Bussing on. Yeah. But, um, man, Paco was a hell of a dude, man. He was, um, he was before his time.

Yeah. He was way before his time. More money mean, more litigating. More player hating. I got a sale at the pen for me waiting. Wow. So we, smile, when you're writing that, what's going on?

What are you thinking? So we recorded that way before he passed, like a couple of, record that in June, or July. June July of. and he ends up passing in September of 96. Right. So we wrote the song, you know, before he passed. And like Park would always have this thing with me

where he would be so pissed off that I would be sitting at the board still writing and everybody threw with their shit. You know, and he would always say, hey man, you got to find a way to get across to the bitches without offending them. Right. And the niggas going on with the bitches

one. And then whatever the last word is, or your verse, that's the name of the song. And I was like, okay. But nonetheless, I still sat down

in front of that board. And I came up with those words, man. But it was done to a whole, totally different beat. Shout out to Tom Capone. And Mike Dean, because I think that the job that we did on this song,

on this version of that particular song was awesome, man. Tone always wanted those, was it, Pissacados, what do they call? Piscados? He always loved the plumb, blam, bling, bling, fling, fling, fling, fling. Johnny Pee was still alive. The one who's like, do you want to ride? In the backseat, like a head of chopper, do a dot.

Tone had a vibe in his head. Tell me. Do you still care about me? Right? So he just broke. That came into, smile for me. That's Tom Capone. Won't you just smile for me?

And then Johnny P was in the studio. And he sung that shit. and some kind of way we got a chance to use that record on my album but I remember sitting in the studio writing it and recording it, man that's what Pock told the engineer

man, you ain't got too many more my bads right he's been to, that's when the, I think Pock may have been the first one, the first artist to beat up an engineer I could be wrong but I know he used to beat his engineer I wrote it down like

then as I opened up my story put the blaze of your blunt that's how you can reflect, okay? You know what I'm saying? So you're trying to reflect on what I'm saying, man. Sit back and like, damn. Now, as I opened up my story, put the blaze in your blunt

so you can pick your thoughts slowly upon phrases I run and I can walk you through the days of the done. I often wish that I could save everyone, but I'm a dreamer. Have you ever seen a who was strong in the game overlooking this tomorrow's and they finally came? I look back on childhood memories. I'm still feeling the pain.

Turning circles in my name grade to dealing cocaine. Too many hassles in my local life survived the strain. And a man without a focused life can drive him insane. I'm stuck inside a ghetto fantasy hoping to change. But when I focus on reality, I'm broken and changed. I had a dream of living wealthy and making it big but over football, chose to cook wrong, Take it and digging after all my mom was thanking God for blessing the child Because all my mama got to do now is collected and smiled

That's cold-blooded Whose kids writing music like this, man I would love for us to be able to get our music back You know what I'm saying? I would love for us to be able to make our music like we made our music. You know, even though from maize to

R. Kelly, from R. Kelly to Chris Brown, we didn't lose too much into that. We didn't lose a lot. You know, that music's still great, man. It's kind of like, from Rakim to Kane to Public Enemy to Cuban, NWA, to ghetto boys, to, you know, Snoop to, and You start Tribe Car Quest. You got to think about all of the great music. L.L. Cool J. Run DMC. Those

masterpieces of hip-hop, you know, Keras 1. Yeah. You know, the masterpieces, the J-Zs, the Nazes,

the Naz already? Yeah. No, you know, yeah. Okay, well, I should have said it twice. So,

I mean, those masterpiece classics that will always be remembered forever, You know what I mean? Yes. Like LL Cool J, bro? He don't get the credit that he deserves. No, he single-handedly put this shit on the map, bro.

He did. And then you have to look at... He got women to listen, start listening to the rap. Because he was thinking the deal. Hey, man, the man... The man broke some shit down, man on a record, man that was mind-blowing to me. Who can take the game of rap and rule it a lot? just playing many styles on the microphone

like the man was cold man and he single-handedly gave us a platform to stand today with that rock the bell shit oh for sure man I went out and I did a concert for rock the bells

on a couple of occasions and this last one I went to in New Jersey Jersey. I walked out on the stage and we're like, shit. Look at all these people. Hip hop lives, man. For sure. And thanks to that guy that is, you know,

it's recovering. You know what I mean? Like, he had some great shit on that. He had Rakim, Kane, plies, boosy, me. Roxanne Chante was on that shit. That's my twin.

Yeah. But I love what he's doing with it, man. I think that everybody should take time out and pause and thank LL Koojee for what he did and what he's doing for this culture, man. Like, for real.

Faith. Thanks for performance, bro. Man, we ain't even started to perform in. Let's play, let's leave him, let's go out with a bang. Fire it up. I don't even care what it is. What are we going out with? I don't care. Mind play tricks on you. You got Friday night like, damn it feel good to be a gangster. What you want to go out with?

No, let's do something else. What you got? Do, do, do, do. Duda-dun, da-da-da-da-da-d-da-oh. Do-dur-dood-dood-dood-dood-dun. Do-d-da-dun. Do you do. Can be life.

Can be life. Be more. Can be us. It's got to be more. So I'm leaving to go. to go to baseline from death jam and um think that's my brother called me think Warren Lee called me and told me that one of the homies uh babies that had died man that was devastated

because I got a two year old I had a two year old back then but that baby got a hold of something that he wasn't supposed to get a hold of that um And that shit kind of blew me the fuck away. That's why the verse came out so cold because it was so true. I walked into the studio to do this with Jim. I got a phone call from one of my nests. They say my home boy, Greek. He just lost one of his kids.

When I heard that, I just broke you to him. And he in the second hand, you don't really know how that is. But when they're hitting that close to home, you feel the pain at the crib. So I call mine, sad, my wife, and the bad news, my blessing. My blessings, because brands, too, that's one of the ones, man. Cut you. Shit. Brad, two years old when that happened, man.

Loving your kids like he was ours, and I'm hurting for you, dog. But ain't nobody painting like yours, but I just know what happens over his doors. and view it on the black one on the bright side you get to do it like this God's got open arms homie he in the midst who loves all who loves all and hates not one

because he in the midst and he in the midst of good company who loves all and hates not one and one day you're going to be with your son I could have talked about my hard times in his songs but heaven knows I would have been wrong would have been right

wouldn't have been us It wouldn't have been life It wouldn't have been love It wouldn't have been right It can be life Scary life A lot of niggas be bragging about their bands and shit, but I know for a fact, can't nobody with them.

You still up. I can stand on the stage and stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Do that. Boom, boom, boom, boom. I'm telling you, man, I know I got to, all I got to do is just dreaming. I just got to dream it. Live, live, live on, uh, club Shayshay. We're going to get down into a deeper interview.

in a few minutes, but I just wanted my partner's sharp to see that musical side. Go on give them the business, fuck. Hold on a holly, holly, louder, louder. Oh, yeah. They can say, uh. Once I live a life of a million hours Spending on with my money, honey I've been there.

Making my friends, I've got a money to the tie. Slipping as to the deal, champagne, and why I'm a girl. As soon as my money got me, I couldn't find a drink. It has But if I ever You know I must hold on to sit in a queen Nobody won't you

When you're bouncing up Nobody won't you When you're bouncing in Oh Nobody won't you Down and out. So I hear a lot of people talking about their band. After being together so long, we kind of know what we're thinking.

So it's y'all on the wavelength. Yeah, we're right there. I can turn that shit up like this here Get up loud like that Or I can bring it back down Yeah Scarface, ladies and gentlemen Don't know if you're down

Oh my ocean I'm going to grind in all my life. Hustle paid the price, want a slice, got the roll of dice, that's why all my life, I've been grinding on my life. Look, all my life, then grinding on my life. Sacrifice, hustle paid the price, want a slice, got to bowl a dice, that's why, all my life,

I be grinding on my life. I'm Jake Hofer, and this is Back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode, I'll be asking eight wide-tail hunting pros, a focused, thought-provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access? Should you, that's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand. Listen to Back40 on IHeartRadio. app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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