Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Seth Rollins Part 2

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/SHANNONClub Shay Shay sits down with one of the most accomplished and influential superstars in professional wrestling history, Seth Rollins, for a candid, in-depth conversation with host Shannon Sharpe that traces his life, career, and legacy inside and outside the ring. Seth reflects on growing up in a small town in Buffalo, Iowa, being adopted at a young age, and the powerful role his stepfather played in his life. Despite what he describes as a “broken upbringing,” Seth credits strong male role models, unconditional love, and work ethic for shaping the man he is today. Seth opens up about learning more about his heritage through 23andMe and reconnecting with his biological family later in life. While he holds no resentment toward his biological father, Seth shares that they have never met in person and have had minimal contact, as his father has not shown interest in building a relationship. He does, however, remain in touch with his half sister, and credits the strong male role models in his life for giving him peace and perspective around that situation. The conversation turns to the moment that changed everything—attending his first professional wrestling event at just five years old. Inspired by legends like Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels, and Bret “The Hitman” Hart, Seth realized early on that you didn’t have to be the biggest athlete to become a star. At 14, he told his parents he was done with basketball and fully committed to becoming a professional wrestler. Seth details his grind on the independent circuit starting at 17, the financial struggles of chasing his dream, and ultimately dropping out of college with his mother’s support to go all in. He discusses mentorship from Joey Mercury, nearly signing with TNA, and why he was willing to wait years for the opportunity to join WWE because it was the only place he wanted to be. After moving to Florida to train, Seth breaks down the rise of The Shield alongside Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose, how social media amplified their momentum, and why their shocking breakup became a defining moment in wrestling history—launching all three men to the top of the industry. Seth also discusses owning the Black and Brave Wrestling Academy, wrestling through injuries, adapting as both a babyface and a heel, and learning to connect with audiences through storytelling, signature moves, and finishing sequences. He reflects on his relationship with Vince McMahon, iconic matches, and moments that shaped his career. Seth reflects on his legacy, including his Mount Rushmore of wrestlers, evolving friendships—most notably his real-life fallout with CM Punk—celebrity crossovers entering the WWE ring, and crazy fan interactions. He also opens up about life with his wife Becky Lynch, fatherhood, and how they balance two demanding careers while raising a toddler. The episode closes with Seth sharing his thoughts on longevity in wrestling, his lifelong loyalty to the Chicago Bears, and his bold Super Bowl prediction.This is a must-watch episode for wrestling fans, athletes, and anyone chasing a dream—proof that greatness is built through patience, resilience, and loving the journey.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. With all these matches, you know, you have ladder matches, table, chairs, all that. I mean, I understand there's a certain choreograph, choreography to it. But still that stuff hurt. Very much. We had Charlotte Fleer on earlier in September, and she was talking about that.

she tore an ACL and she still finished. She had to wrestle another 30, 45 minutes. Yeah, I mean, that's probably an exaggeration on her behalf. But she did tear an ACL and have to finish her match, yeah. But when you hurt something or you tear an abductor or you pull a hamstring or something like that and the match of schedule, you know, one fall for a 15-minute time limit, you know, it used to say that I don't know how the time limits are now. But in a situation like that, when you know something is going on and you have to finish the match,

that's got to be difficult, though. Yeah, I think it's one of the time. those things where, gosh, you know, I'm trying to kind of like liking it to a football injury, but, you know, there's plays. No, you get injured, you're coming out to field. Yeah, yeah. There's no finish. It can be the first quarter, second, quarter, third quarter, or two minutes left.

Yeah, I'm out of here. Yeah, there's a play and you're gone. Yeah, it's done. It stops. That's the thing is with us, when we get hurt, like, there's like a self-evaluation process that happens. And because, like, you know, I mean, NFL plays, what, seven seconds or something like that, boom, you know, you know, it's like, oh, that's like, oh, that's,

it. Now I'm evaluating. I'm going to go to the sideline and evaluate. But we have to evaluate kind of in real time. Like we have to, it's not a sprint like that. It's a bit longer. So like if something happens, you know, my shoulder is a great example of that. So I'm wrestling Cody Rhodes in the main event of a pay-per-view in Perth, Australia in October. I do this move that I've never really done where I dive from one side of the corring to the other and give Cody a headbut. And I land funky. So I land like on my elbow kind of off to the side, pushes my shoulder up. And it hurt. But I didn't know how bad it was hurt in the moment. So I hit him, I cover, he kicks out, I'm laying there, and then I just run myself check while the audience is, you know, kind of,

they're going through the replays and everything, we're moving on to the next thing, but you've got to give the audience time to digest. So you're just sitting there in the process and I go, okay, I hurt my shoulder. How bad did I hurt my shoulder? Is there anything left in the match that I can't do or that's going to be dangerous for me or dangerous for my opponent, or that I'm going to make look bad. Like, do I cut stuff out and we just go, let's get to the end of the match? What's the process here? And when it's like a kind of a ligament type injury like that, again, I didn't know what was wrong with it.

I was like, okay, here's the things I can do. I've probably got about 10 to 15 more minutes of this match. I'll get through it and then we'll figure out what happens. I'm not really going to know until I get a scan and I'm not putting Cody in any danger. So I think I can get this done. Now, there's sometimes where it's like you'll get a concussion or you'll see somebody get a concussion. Unfortunately, not been in this position. You get a concussion.

The ref sees that happen and that's it. It's done. Like they just call the match off. Young fella named Javon Evans just had this happen to him like maybe two weeks ago on Monday Night Raw. He butted heads with his opponent. You know, he got concussed. There was a little bit of like, hey, hey, what's going on? They kind of let him walk through a little bit of the rest of the match while he was out there.

And then it became apparent that he wasn't. Yeah, he wasn't himself. So they just, that's it, winner by ref stoppage. And that's it. And so it's just communication. Communicate to your referee. You communicate to your opponent. You just try to figure out what the best course of action is.

And again, when it's something like that, like a concussion where you can't self-diagnosed really because you're rock. Somebody, we have people in doctors. Yeah, we have everybody watching to make sure, no, no, no, get him out of there. When it's something like that where you can't, my shoulder. or like Charlotte's knee, my knee as well, when you can't really see what's happening, you just have to rely on the talent to try to figure out what's best for the situation. In a situation where, like, you broke John Cena nose

or something you guys are wrestling, and it's an accident, but, you know, things happen. Yeah. Who is that said? I think they said it's called keeping receipts. When you do something to somebody that goes a little further than it should have been? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a receipts, but receipts are generally for when things might be a little on purpose. The John thing was a complete accident.

I mean, look, John's got ham-hands. He's punched so many people on the side of the head. Like, it's, you know, he understands. Sometimes things happen. You know, we say it's not ballet, which, you know, no discredit to ballet. Ballet is hard. I can't do it. But, yeah, it's not ballet. Like, it's a physical interaction. So things happen. And no, for the most part, there's not a lot of bad blood. but occasionally someone will get a stray shot in there where you're like what was that all about?

Was that intentional or? Yeah. I think it was intentional. I'm going to pay your ass back. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I'm sure on the field you have those too. Yeah. Absolutely.

Because there's, you know, it's again, physical sport, and there's rules and there's like, you know, competitive edge and you guys are, I mean, how many DBSs or linebackers did you get into where you're like, okay, that, I ain't cool with that. Yeah, I know when there's a good clean tackle and you cheap shot of me. Exactly.

Which in turn, I'm going to get your ass back in the course of a play, and I'm going to make it look like an actual play, but I guess what I know. I'm going to get mine. I will get my leg back. Yeah, yes. But you have a great relationship with John. I do, John's amazing. And John is finishing up.

He's done 48. You want to wrestle that long? Yeah, maybe. Yeah. I mean, I'm 40 in a couple months, and I feel great. I'm in what I would consider the prime of my career where like the physical hasn't declined and the mental is as sharp as it's, you know, ever been. Right. And so I would, as long as I can continue to contribute in a way that's positive for our fan base and for our younger talent, as long as I can continue to be like, like, make the product better, then I think I would like to contribute.

And my body cooperates. I would like to continue to do it. who's your Mount Rushmore W.W.E. wrestlers. Mount Rushmore? Oh, man. That's so hard because you get into this trap of like in ring talent, guys who were just great wrestlers, and then you get into, you know, money, right?

Who drew the most money? So like, if you want to talk like all-time draws, you got to start with Hogan, you probably got to put Sam Martino on there, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and likely the rock. Yeah. That's probably your top four. You want to go like in-ring, All time, you're looking at Sean Michaels.

You're looking at Eddie Guerrero. You're looking at maybe, oh, man. After that, it gets real hard because, you know, my kid was really good, but he was kind of a jerk. Brett Hart was really great. Flair said Flair definitely had heart and Sean Michael didn't stop. And you could put Rick in there as well. Nobody could talk like Flair.

No, no, no. Flair was special. Dusty was a special. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Dusty's in-ring work wasn't like, you know, he wasn't blown anybody out of the water. You know, Brian Danielson would be up there, I think. You know, I'd like to begin the conversation at some point.

I think A.J. Stiles, who also just recently retired as someone who's one of the greatest of all time in the ring. So it's a fun discussion, but it's hard to narrow it down. Right. You call that to Rock. You want Rock to come back one last time and you get your shot at Rock? You know, maybe, man. I don't know.

I don't know. I had such a fun time wrestling DJed, WrestleMania a couple years ago in the tag match. A singles match would be a lot of fun with him if he'd be willing to do it. But yeah, the tag match was a blast, and it was really cool to be out there in the main event of WrestleMania with the Rock. I mean, that's a beyond bucket list. You know, you mentioned Sting earlier.

Like, there's some guys that when I was growing up watching, You just don't think you're ever going to get the opportunity to be in the ring with them. Correct. I think they're going to be retired by the time you're there. Sting's one of them. You know, I got to do promos with Jake the Snake and Roddy Piper. Got to, you know, being the main event at WrestleMania with the rock. I mean, this is bonkers stuff, you know.

I mean, Roddy Piper, you grew up watching and Sting and all those guys. You grew up watching. That's what I'm saying. And crazy, dude. It's crazy that I get the opportunity to be in the ring with these guys, whether it's a promo or a match, learn from Dusty Roads, you know, anything. like that. It's really, for me, as a kid growing up in Iowa, like to be able to live those dreams and meet your heroes in those ways. Like, it's really something special. You and a CM Punk, y'all made

up? No. I wouldn't say so. You wouldn't say so? I wouldn't say so. I mean, there's obviously some sort of working relationship. Otherwise, you know, we wouldn't be able to go out there and have matches. But there's just so much, it's so complex. I think maybe once we're both away from the business or retired or hung it up there might be an opportunity for reconciliation there um it's just so hard for me to separate the seam punk that there is now from the seam punk that um was a really rotten friend to me 10 years ago and so it's it's just those those wounds take time to heal i think whether or not he cares to make the effort to do that um and i care to care if he makes the effort to do that. I don't know. I don't know if we, either of us have the time for it at the

moment. Have the, the company pulled you in and said, look, guys, I understand there's some things going on between you two, but we run a business here. Y'all figure that issue out and keep it moving? No, there was never a time where the two of us were sat down and had a conversation like that. There were conversations had before he came back about whether or not, it's something that I could be okay with. And, you know, he's back. So I always feel like if there's business to be done, that's bigger than me. That's bigger than my grievances.

So, you know, at the end of the day, it's not my sandbox. I don't make those decisions. I think WW would be just fine without seeing Punk. But I do think there's a large portion of our fan base that is very happy that he is back. So this happened before, this doesn't have anything to do with wrestling. This had to do with something outside of the ring. I mean, we know each other through wrestling. So when he, he's with WWB and he was, I knew him before that.

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So, you know, but I stayed in touch. I'd go watch him on shows. I was a fan of his. He knew my upbringing. He saw, you know, that we were kind of cut from the same cloth. And he was somewhat of a mentor to me when we got to WWE. And he also vouched for myself and John Moxley to be brought up from developmental to the main roster. So everything was good.

He let me sleep on his couch. He let me ride his bus occasionally from time to time. He's a really good guy. and I know I would have done anything for him and then he leaves the company and basically just completely ghosted like just stop being a friend and I reached out to him multiple times to try to talk to him

and there was never any animosity between us there was never like a falling out between the two of us he just didn't like the fact that I stayed working for the company and well you just because you leave am I you think I hold on I got I want to eat I like my living style now. And so because you had a falling out, I'm supposed to have a falling out too. I wasn't the only person that he felt this way about.

He lost a lot of friendships over this. He did this on his own. And I think, you know, that would have been one thing. But then on the back end of that, he spent many, many, many years taking kind of pot shots at what we were doing, what we were trying to do in WWE without him. And look, when he left, he left a pretty significant void. He was at the top. He was a top star. And we were trying to rebuild.

And we didn't have a lot to work with. We were trying to make the thing great. And he took a lot of, you know, shots on podcasts and interviews, at me and at people who were trying to do good things for the industry that he supposedly loved. And at that point, WWW is my home. And so when you started to talk bad about my home and the people that I love and the people, I take that personally. Right.

You know, how am I not? And because we were friends and you didn't want. want to talk to me about anything when you left. How am I supposed to not take that personally? Right. You know? So yeah, it was hard for me and I did write you off and I did say, you know, F you. Like I ain't got time for that man.

I ain't got time for people like you, you know, that negative energy trying to tear down everything we're trying to build here. I ain't got time for that. And so it really, really bothered me when he came back because I go, dude, you were gone. We did this. We did this without you, not only without you, but in spite of you. We did this in spite of you. You tried to make this not happen.

And now you want to come back and read through the world. That you see, that you see we didn't crumble without you. We got better and we got bigger and everything is better now and it had nothing to do with you. And so that was really hard for me. And I just, like I said, this is a lot to get over. And I think one, literally if he would have just replied one time to one text or one call and said, hey man, I'm not ready yet. Or hey man, it's not you.

I just can't. going through something. Just one time, anything, would have changed the whole narrative for me. You got an opportunity to wrestle Brock Lesnar. Who? He recently came back.

Yes, sir. What's it like wrestling the big guys? Because obviously, you know, running into a guy that's two broad sides or one of these big guys is different than running than somebody that's your size. Because, I mean, you guys are really athletic. I mean, people are talking about

oh, that's, okay, I get it scripted. But all that falling and all that tumbling and from 10, 15 feet in the air, that takes a lot out of you, Seth. Yeah, I mean, I hear, the thing is I love, one of the fun things about pro wrestling is I love matchups. Yeah. You know, there are weight classes in UFC. There are weight classes in amateur wrestling. That's for a reason. Yes.

That's for a reason. In our industry, things go sideways. Those big boys will crush you. There's nothing you can do about it. But I love the fact in wrestling, pro wrestling that we don't have the weight class. that you get to see wild matchups, that you never get to see anywhere else, that Seth Rollins can go toe to dough

with Brock Lesnar, that he can find a way to figure out the beast, that he can use his strengths against Brock Lesnar's weaknesses. And you just don't get that anywhere else. You know, you don't get those kind of fairy tale matchups. Like, you don't get the big show or Kane or Undertaker versus Ray Mysterio, you know? There's no other world,

where that exists. So it's this amazing, like, it's like a Marvel movie in real life where you get to see Thanos versus Thor, you know, or Thanos versus Spider-Man, you're like, oh, well, Thanos would crush him, but no, because Spider-Man's got, he's agile webs, and he's got his way of figuring it out. And that's what's fun about wrestling is when you see matchups and you see the tail of the tape, you go, wow, how is this guy going to figure it out? Or, oh, man, this big boy's going to, he's going to crush that little guy. Or, man, I can't wait to see these two giants collide. Or, man, I can't wait to see these two technical assassins just get it on. Or these two, like, awesome strikers slug it out, you know?

So you get all of that with wrestling that you just don't get in any other form of sport, especially. How would you have liked to wrestle, rest of your soul, Andre the Giant? Over seven foot tall, 500 pounds. That would have been great. It would have been great, man. I mean, if you get them off his feet? No. I mean, I'm pound for pound pretty strong.

But those boys are, that's big, dude. That's a big boy, you know what I mean? I'm at to trip him. That's how I get him down. I run him until he's tired and trip him. What NFL player, NBA player, you think would be really good in WWE? Oh, man. George Kittle, because he does the, he doesn't love.

So Kittle loves it. He loves it. He loves it. He loves it. He loves it. He loves it. You know, I think when he's retired, he's going to come do at least one match. You think so?

Oh, dude. Once the Niners are like, yeah, he's done with his playing career, and he's waiting for that Hall of Fame. Like, dude, no doubt about it. He's going to come do one. I always, you know, I look at the big dudes for sure. I look at like, like Miles Garrett's one of my favorite. You know, just like house and David and Joku again. Like just these house dudes, man. I'm trying to think there's anybody else off the top of my head that's really good. You know, I like D.K. Metcalfe. Like D.K. is a freak athlete, you know? But he just got that building. He's got to look to him too. Yeah. I mean, there's,

That's a lot of the reason the WWE likes to recruit, like, recruit, you know, college athletes. Yes. Because you got an NI. I saw, I think the WV got an NIL program now. That's correct. We do have an NIL program. Because I saw, like, a couple of women shot putters and things like that that's going to watch their careers over and collegiate. They're going to go to the WVE.

Hopefully take a crack at it. Yeah. I'll go down to Orlando and see if they can develop a passion for it. So where are you on influencers or avioree? coming into the WBE. We see Logan Paul did it, does it from occasionally. We see McAfee, P. Madden comes in.

I show speed showed up in the ring a couple of times. So where are you on that? You okay with that? Yeah, I'm fine with it. I always feel like it's like, you know, I think as a talent, it can be frustrating because you feel like, you know, if they're in a big spotlight, you know, you're like, ah, they're taking somebody's spot, right?

But at the end of the day, like, you, and I mean this nicely. And I would say this to my younger self, too. I'm like, that was never your spot. That you weren't going to do, it wasn't going to have the same impact. The reason we are able to bring these influencers or actors or whomever into the phrase to get new eyes on the product. And those new eyes, then they can find you, you know. Otherwise, they ain't going to find you, you know?

So that's a tough lesson to learn, I think, as a young talent because you want those opportunities. But, yeah, I mean, I think it's great. And, you know, not all of them are like Logan. Logan's a great example. No, Logan can really do this. He can do it and he developed the passion for it quickly. I don't know that he thought, I don't know that he thought, because he's pretty much full time now.

He's every week, he's there. And I don't know that when he first started that he thought that was what it is. Here's this fun thing I get to do. Right. You know, he's all about making money and he's getting paid and he gets to do this fun thing. And it's kind of like fight adjacent, you know, this athletic. you know, nature to it. I think he got addicted to it.

I think he got addicted to the process. And like when you get hooked that way, it's really hard to let it go. And so there's not a lot of him, you know. Most of them are more like a speed who gets in the rumble and gets murked by Braun Breaker. And then he don't want to come back. He's like, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. I don't flavor.

Rhonda. Rhonda, obviously she was in the UFC when she tried it. Are you surprised she didn't stay longer? No, not at all. It's hard. It's really hard. And what they were asking Rhonda to do was very difficult. The schedule was crazy still at that time.

This is pre-COVID. She comes in. She comes in 2018, 17, something like that. And at first it's very easy. And I don't mean this in a negative way, but everything's curated for her. So everything's choreographed. And, you know, she has one match every six months or something like that. And it gets well rehearsed.

And that's fun. And you get to do wrestling that way. And that can be really fun. and that can be addicting for people, but that's not really what wrestling is. Wrestling is a bit of a grind, and you have to... It's a couple times a week, huh?

And it used to be five times a week. And you have to... But that's how you learn your craft, you know? But if you're not used to that and you're coming in, and it's not Ron's fault, you're coming in and that's how you're presented, and then you have to work backwards. You have to work, you know,

opposite of the way I did where I came up doing all that, and then I got to do the fun stuff at the end. That's easier because, now it's like, oh, wow, wait a, you tell me I only have to wrestle 50 times a year? I used to do 250, you know? Exactly, yeah. So there's nothing. When you go the other way, that is a really hard thing to do.

And she had other aspirations, you know, she wanted to be a mom. And it's really hard to be a mom and do our gig, especially when you want to have multiple kids. And, you know, kudos to her. She traveled with her oldest daughter a lot the same way myself and my wife did with our daughter. And that's a really difficult thing to do. And if you're not having fun and you don't love it, it's, it, it, it, it does not surprise me that she was like, I need to get away from this.

And not to say she won't come back and give it another go, because she does have a talent for it. But it doesn't surprise me. Bad Bunny, who performed it, who performed at the Super Bowl. Yes. Did you get that? You meet Bad Bunny? Oh, yeah. I met Minito multiple times because he, he has done a couple things for us from time of time.

He had an absolutely wonderful match with Damien Priest and Puerto Rico, a couple of the couple of things. years back. He loves wrestling. That's insane, by the way. I just want people to understand that. He was a street fight. It was like a no-holds bar. San Juan Street fight. He's going through tables, getting beat with chairs, getting chokeslam. This is the biggest artist in the world. This would have been like Michael Jackson in 1986 at WrestleMania. What are we talking about? That's crazy, dude. Could you imagine No, like Paul McCartney ain't getting in the ring. Exactly. You know, that's crazy.

So I have a ton of respect for Benito. He did not have to do that at all. What a stud. Like, I don't know any of his songs, but dude, what a savage. You and Post Malone had some beef. Posty. He got off of my grill, man. He's cheering for punk and his wife over me and my wife.

He can't be doing that. You know what I mean? Come on now. That wasn't rehearsed? No. I didn't even know. I didn't even know he was there. I think he was there with jelly roll.

They're in the crowd of Russell Palooza, which, again, Indianapolis, a lot of history there. And I just saw him, and he was, like, he's booing or something like that. And I saw an opportunity, and I took it. I'm going to let him, I ain't let him dunk on me and my wife like that. Come on, huh?

Posty. You good, y'all good, now, though, right? You settled in it. Damn, you don't let stuff go, Seth. Oh, I love. You got to let stuff go, Seth. I'm in the conflict business, man. I mean, there's no money to be made if everybody's Kumbaya.

That's what it is. That's where we get paid, sir. A fan attacked you. Why do you press charges? That guy, from my understanding, was he was catfished by somebody pretending to be me. And he was not, he was, I don't want to, you know, be rude, but he was not all there. There was something off about him. Okay.

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That's something that's, like, very scary in situations like that. But thankfully, we got on the other side of it, and you're able to look at it in its totality. Like, okay, what's the best course of action here? And it's probably to try to help this guy if we can do that. So I was not able to follow up. I don't know. But what I do know is that I chose not to press charges for that reason. It didn't seem to me that that was going to have.

solve the problem. Goat couples. We got you and Becky Lynch. We got Randy, Randy Savage, and Mrs. Elizabeth. Okay. Edge and Beth Phoenix. Yep. Matt Hard and Leader, Triple H and Stephanie McMahon. That's a good list. That's a good list right there. I mean, we're number one by a mile, but yeah.

Shout out to Edge and Beth. They're both great in the ring, but they don't have the accolades that myself and my wife have. Correct. Stephanie and Hunter. Did she just wrestling in WrestleMania? Who's that? Becky. Becky? She was at the Rumble.

She was in Royal Rumble last week. Yeah. In Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Did not live. I think live. Live won. Yeah. Live won the Royal Rumble.

Yep. Becky has won the Rumble before. First woman in main event, WrestleMania. Right. And then myself, you read the accolades earlier. I mean, there's nobody on that list that's even close. Is it easier to date a woman that's in the business with you?

Because a guy told me one time he said, you understand why movie stars date other movie stars? I said, nah. Why? I said they like each other, no. He said because the other know what it's like to live that life. Yes, yes. That part of it is very, that is very beneficial.

It's something that's like, you know, you don't want to mix business with pleasure because if it doesn't end well, you know, the risk. They still wrestle, you got to see each other. Yeah, it's hard. And then they date somebody else. You're dating somebody else. It's not fun. Like, that's just not a fun thing.

So you do try to avoid it. But when you find somebody, and Becky and I were friends for years before we started dating, when you find somebody, who gets it and understands what you're doing, and you go through the same things, it's so much easier. And because our business and our industry is so strange and so weird,

like just asking regular people who do regular jobs to understand it, it can be a tall task. Especially when you're starting out because you're saying you're wrestling three to five times a week. So you're gone. So basically 45, 45, 47 weeks out of the year,

you're on the road. We would be, yeah, 300 days a year, for sure. Wow. Easy, with the travel in the media. I'd wrestle, like, my craziest years, I would wrestle probably close to 215 matches a year. And that's not including the travel days. Like, we would leave Friday morning from my little town in Iowa. I'd go, and I'd do non-televised events Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

I would do Monday TV Raw, which is live. And we would tape Smackdown at the time on Tuesday. And then I would fly home Wednesday morning. and I would leave Friday morning every week for years. Yeah. And that's like a good week. That's like a normal week. I'd have that 36 hours at home essentially.

Like we would have tours that would take us away for months at a time. It was, I mean, there's no chance to have a proper relationship in that situation. I read in doing this research on you, you were open to being in a Pali relationship. How did Becky come along and completely change your mind? You're like, you know what I'm... You know, I thought I wanted Polly, but I'm good with just what? What I really needed was to be single. That's what I needed.

Well, that's what I needed. I was a serial monogamous for my whole adult life, and I just needed to, hey, you're okay being by yourself, dude. You're fine. You just need to figure it out. I mean, I was from 19 until, like, I mean, when did me and Becky started dating? It would have been 19, so six years ago. So like I was 34, it's like 15 years.

I was just in relationship after relationship with like this much break in between. So I never really got comfortable being by myself. Really just got comfortable. And that's what I needed. But I was like at the end of my last relationship before I started dating her, I was like, all right, I'm just not cut out for monogamy. I'm not cut out for being in a relationship. I just need maybe, maybe it's like I can just do like I can be in a relationship.

but, you know, maybe like some, be in that relationship and not really, be in that relationship. You know what? I just needed to be single. Right. And I just didn't know how to process at all. So, and I'm probably like intaking too much information, reading too much about it, thinking too much about it. And the bottom line was either A, I needed to be single, which I just didn't know how to do,

or B, I needed to find the right partner. And I did. And that was, once I found, once we locked that in, I was done. I mean, I had a ring on order within like two months. But here's the thing. Obviously, when you wrestle, you probably had a couple of your dates around, and she probably saw her. She's like, nah, Seth, I'm good. Bro, you ain't, you ain't ready for anything serious.

Well, we started seeing each other, like, because it was, you know, I was, again, we were both scared of getting involved with someone we worked with. And so we were like, yeah, you know, let's just keep it kind of chill. Maybe this is the right thing. Yeah. But then she was like, you know what? I don't think so. You know, we could just be friends. We were friends before.

We don't have to do any of that romantic stuff. Would just be friends? Because, like, if we're not going to be in, all in, then I don't want to just do this little thing. I'm, you know, that's stupid because I, like, want to be all in, but I'm not going to. So, like, she's like, ah, we'll just be friends. And that literal second she said that, I could, like, feel my heart be like, oh, no, what have you done? Don't do that. I can't let you get away.

I can't let you get away. I'm like, but I'm supposed to be single now. I've decided that I needed to be single. She's also decided that I need to be single. You know, all these things are going on in my head at once. And then, like, I remember she hung up the phone and I'm, like, sitting there on the couch by myself going like, no, no, no, no, no. This is wrong. This is wrong.

And thankfully, it was wrong. And then I convinced her that it was wrong. And like, you know what? We should be together. And like I said, then it was done. You guys have been together ever since. Ever since. How did you know?

Did you all? Because like you said, you were friends. And as friends, you know, some guys like, I can't be friends with a young lady or someone that I'm attracted to. But clearly you guys were friends. Did you have any idea that at some point in time that you guys could be in a relationship or you just? No. I mean, look, being in the WWE, look, man, I got to be friends with girls that I'm attracted to you because they're all. Because they're a lot of them.

That's all they are. They're all beautiful women. You know what I mean? So you're friends with beautiful women. You just learn to figure that out. You know, it's not. If you're not, then you're not going to have no friends. No female friends.

So, yeah, you learn to do that, you know. And then that is tricky, too, I think. That's harder than I think people think it is. And it was something I had to learn a little bit. But, you know, once you got into that mode, it was like, yeah, no problem. And I never, I never thought about her that way. I knew she was beautiful, thought she was fun. But the work, like, we just didn't mix.

And like she, I was, again, I was already dating, you know, I was in relationships. and she was, you know, seeing somebody here, a couple guys here and there. So, like, outside of the industry. So we just never, it never even occurred until we were both single and at the right time, kind of talking to each other and spending more time together. And it was like, you know, the classic one thing led to another. Why was she different? Gosh, I mean, it's so interesting because...

You don't see this, so be careful. Yeah, well, you can't describe it. She was just, it was so... effortless. I think effortless to talk about anything and to, I had a, I had a different type of respect for her right out of the gate because we had established a friendship for a long time. Our relationship was based on friendship and based on a mutual respect and based on that kind of love as opposed to just, you know, I think I just, I confused the feeling that of lust for a long time with the feeling of love.

Yes. And kind of let that carry me through into relationships that I would overstay my welcome for sure. With her, it was never about that. You know, it became lustful, became romantic and it's that part of it, it's incredible. But that was not like the base for it. And so there was a respect and there was an understanding and an appreciation. And I think those things like, late, the foundation in a way that I had not experienced before.

I mean, you can say, I mean, she's smart and funny and kind and sweet, you know, give all that stuff. But the basis and the foundation for the relationship was unique in a way that I had not experienced. And, you know, when you just find that person that feels like your person where you're, you know, you have that connection that's different and unique, it was just there. It was, it was immediate. Once the romantic, once the spark hit, I was like, oh.

That is, that's the thing. That's what they all talk about. That's what they write the movies. That's what they, you know. You are originally scheduled to be in Captain America. But they had your scene removed. Did you know they were going to remove that seed? Or did you like, did they call and say, well, Seth,

you didn't make, you didn't survive the cutting room floor. That's correct. So the movie went through a million rewrites. And, you know, I had gotten a call from producer who's also a friend of mine's name's, Nate Moore. He's wonderful guy, great producer, and he was working on that film. And so we had done it. We shot the whole thing.

It was awesome. I would love to see the B-roll of that because I had some pretty sick scenes in there where I'm beating up Anthony Mackey. And I'd love to see where that exists. But, you know, the studio wasn't happy with the direction of the film. They wanted to change some things. And they didn't just say, hey, you're out. They actually, they called me and they said,

hey, we're repurposing the beginning of this film. You're, like I was in like kind of a group of roles, like we were a team, we were repurposing that into one person. They allowed me to read for the role, just in the chance that they saw something they really liked. And they would cast me in that. So I read for the role.

And I was like, and then I saw Giancarlo Esposito. Gus Fring from Breaking Bad, get cast in, and I'm like, well, I think they had their heart said. I'm not competing with that guy anyway. That's an elite actor. So yeah, then they called me back and we're like, nah, you know, we're going to go in a different direction. So at least I got a heads up.

I wasn't like waiting for that invite to the premiere and then got sad when I didn't get one. No, I knew it was up. Would you, do you want to do movies, or is that something you're interested in? No, man. I only took the, I did a WWE movie back in 2016. I tore my ACL in November of 15.

W.W. Films, they had a studio at the time. They wanted me to come in and do a movie during my off time, which I did. Hated every second of it. I hated it. I did not want to do another one, which is why I didn't take another role until Nate called me and said, hey, would you like to do this thing in Captain America? And I'm like, I got to do that. Right.

You know, Captain America. It's Marvel. I got to do that. So, but that's, I just don't like it. I don't like the process of it, you know? It's a lot of sitting and waiting. It's a lot of sitting and waiting. You're waiting for months for any sort of feedback.

You don't even know if you're doing a good job. You're doing the same thing over and over and over. I was not for me. Again, if the right prospect came along, I would consider it. But no, I got my toes dipped in some other pools right now. If your daughter wanted to become a wrestler, her mom's a wrestler, her dad's a wrestler, You open to that? Yeah.

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was in a much different place. But thanks to my wife and some of the other women who've really pioneered change in WWE, the way the business looks at women now is completely different. What it means to be successful and good in our industry is not just about how you look. It's about what you can do. You know, whether you can talk. It's all the same metrics that it is for men. Yeah.

So I think it's just a much better place for women than it was. Yeah. Even when I came in in 2012. So if she wanted to do it, great. I'd support her and help her out. Yeah. Because, I mean, in the beginning, women had very limited roles in wrestling. I mean, you might see them like once every three to four months.

But it was, it was, and they were on TV for two minutes. Yes. It was probably a bra and panties match or Jerry Lawler was screaming puppies or something like that. It wasn't. It was awful, you know. It was awful. We've seen some of the biggest stars in the WWE come on, go on to become very, very big and acting. We see Rock.

He's probably your biggest. And you got Batista. Yep. And you see Roman Raines. You said that's not something that you're really interested in. Do you think those guys got into WWE thinking it would transition them into acting? Because I remember Rock into Mummy, and the next thing I know he said, and the Scorpion King, and the next thing I know he's the rock.

I mean, he's DJ. He's huge. He's doing everything. Same thing with Batista. No, you know, I don't think so. I think they all, you know, they came into it different ways. Like you look at the big ones like John, Sina and DJ, and they both, I mean, DJ grew up in it, right? His dad.

Yeah, his dad. Yes. His grandpa, like all his family. He's a part of it. So he grew up around it, you know, tried college ball. It was really good. Got hurt. Didn't make the pros.

And said, hey, let me give this. this thing is shot. And, you know, he just had an aptitude for it because it was, he'd been around his whole life and he's his natural performer. And he's perfect. I mean, he's, you know, six, four, 250 pounds athletic, can jump, can tumble, can do. You know, he's got it all, man. I mean, he's a total package, perfect. Like, just, but he, but his goal was never to be around for a long time. Right. He wanted to kickstart and go to Hollywood. Right. And when he got that opportunity, he, you know, made the most of it. John, same way, love the business, just wanted to be a wrestler. was working in gyms and stuff like that, got an opportunity to get trained and become a wrestler

and did it and just was like, I love this, I'm going to do this. And then eventually, you know, the role Hollywood came calling, came asking. And he was, he, he developed the love for that. And now he's, you know, John Cena the action star. So, yeah, I think when you see the people transition, it's, they have a genuine passion for our industry. And Hollywood sees that. They see marketability in these guys or girls, and they come, and the opportunities are there. And, you know, some people love it and want to do it and are great at it. That ain't me. What's a routine like?

So what's your week like as far as working out when you're on the docket? Yeah, I've trained like four or five times a week, usually. Man, I used to train like a psychopath, and then I hit 35, and I just didn't recover the way I used to. And I was like, you know, I think I was pump it down a little. little bit. So, you know, and then I became a dad as well. And, you know, your time just changes. You got to divvy it up. Yeah, your priorities change a little bit. And I didn't want to be at the gym for two and a half hours anymore, you know, and so I didn't want to train seven days a week anymore. I wanted to spend time with my kid and my family and all that stuff. So,

yeah, I mean, I'll do like four, four days a week. We travel on Sunday, do the show on Monday. Occasionally there's the pay-per-views on Saturday and it's a longer weekend. You know, again, I'm a little bit older, so I got to count what I'm eating, you know, wrestling an aesthetic business, so I got to look a certain way. You know, I try to get some bodywork done once a week just to make sure everything's tidy. If I've got something that's worse, you know, I might get a couple times a week, get the girl over to the house, get the elbow in the knots, you know? So, I mean, and that's it. And then I try to be a dad when I'm home, try to take my kid to school and pick her up from school and do all the stuff she wants to do.

Does she travel with you guys when you guys on the road? She used to when she was younger. She started like preschool this year. And so she's kind of locked in in one place. Right. We'll still take her on like some select trips. But Becky, so she's born in December 2020 and Becky was off until July of 21. And then once Becky was back in July, our daughter came with us everywhere.

Every, she came with us every weekend. We took her all over the world. It was awesome. I mean, it was hard, but it was awesome. I mean, not everybody who's like a traveling working parent gets the opportunity to just like take their kid everywhere in the world with them. and we were so fortunate to be able to spend that time. Is it a situation now that you guys alternate weekends or something, when she's on the road, you're at home, you're on,

my mom moved out to Los Angeles. Oh, okay, that's awesome. Yeah, my mom's out there. So grandma, she gets to spend time with grandma, you know. But we just make it work. If, you know, Becky's gone, she was just gone for a good three week stretch or so. And fortunately, I was hurt and home and able to do it, and I wasn't on the road.

But, yeah, I mean, if the schedule looks daunting and we're going to be gone, for long periods of time. We'll get ahead of it. We'll talk to WWE, and there's so much better now than days past where they are more family-friendly. They are like, hey, let's make this work. And there's not a lot of, like,

Becky and I are pretty unique in the sense that we both do the gig, right? Like a lot of times when people have kids, it's, you know, their partner stays at home. They don't have, they work from home, they have a regular job or whatever. So we're a very unique situation where we both do this.

And WWE has been extremely, accommodating and helping us make sure that our kid is, you know, has a parent there at all times. When you have to go to the bathroom? In the rain? In the rain. Oh, it never happens. Really? No, no, no, no.

I mean, you weren't not playing. You guys got a three-hour game, you know what I mean? That's, you know, our matches are, at most, you know, a crazy one would be an hour long. Like, the Royal Rumble is an hour long, but you're not in there for the whole time. So, you know, it never, it never occurs to me. So, you know, nobody's ever had to go to the bathroom? I'm sure it has happened. I mean, it's like, it's just like it's not there.

You know what I mean? Because, you know, we go on the sideline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get a nervous. Like, I have a nervous piece sometimes before the match, you know what I mean? I got to run to, like, a bathroom real quick and get it out. But once it's out, I'm good. Yeah, once I'm through the curtain, it's done.

It's over. Well, that would be bad. Yeah, it would not be fun. You tell the, hey, ref, I got to go to the bathroom. Yeah. You got to go and count me out. I know. I'm going to roll under the ring, get a little bottle, and go.

You roll up under the ring? That's what you did. If you needed to do it, that'd be how you do it. You go get a water bottle in there, a Gatorade bottle or something, roll into the ring and do your thing. Get back out real quick. Wow. I've known guys who've actually ran to the back, not on TV,

like on a live, like on a non-televised event. They'll like do something, boom, go to the back, come back. But it never happened to me, knock on wood. We know you are a big, a huge, ginormous bear's fame. Yes, sir. They might be here. Indiana, the Indiana Bears. Oh, God.

There's no way. Come on. Can you even imagine it? Can you even imagine it? The Gary Bears? Come on. Get out of here, too. Get out of here. You know, look, that's a PR stunt. There's no way. That's Kevin Warren's going, come on.

Yeah, keep pushing. They're not leaving Illinois. Well, they said that same thing about the chiefs not leaving Missouri. That's fair. That's fair. I mean, as long as we still call them the Chicago Bears. How are you going to call somebody Chicago Bears when they're in Indiana? I mean, if you're like Kansas City, I mean, I guess Kansas City is the same either way.

Kansas City, Kansas, Maduro. Well, we're just going to have to rename Gary. It's just going to have to be Chicago. We're just going to change the name. Chicago, Indiana. Just change the dang thing. You saw the vast improvement from the Bears this year. Oh, it's great.

You'd see they brought in Ben Johnson. Caleb Williams has performed unbelievable. The defense played better. You got skill position. but Ben Johnson is the big reason. Yeah. What has you so enthusiastic about the Bears moving forward? I mean, just you, they've got it.

They've got a quarterback and a coach. And if that stays synced up and you stay in that same system, I mean, you see the modern NFL, that is the recipe for success. Especially when you look at the big dynasties, you look at Brady and Belichick, you look at Mahomes and Reed. I mean, that's it. You know what I mean? That's what you want, and that's what everybody looks for.

And so when you and you see teams, they'd be getting rid of coaches and drafting quarterbacks and hiring coaches just so they can link them up like that, you know? So, I mean, I think when you've got the guy behind center who's tough, you can throw the ball, wants to learn, wants to get better, and you've got the guy calling the plays, who also seems to be a great leader from what I can understand. Players want to play for him, you know, that's the recipe for success. and it feels like this year felt different than for the Bears. You know, over the last 20 years,

they've had a couple seasons that, you know, you look good. And, you know, they had Nagy's first year with that Strabisky. You said, oh, baby, this just felt different, man. Felt different this year with Caleb. And, you know, could be wrong. Could be a wash next year. The NFL's crazy place. But I went to some of the games at Soldier Field this year.

It was a really special experience to be there and watch this team. Can you guys win a championship? How soon before you guys won a championship? You know, I honestly thought, and I predicted the Bears would have a really good season, but some of that was a little, you know, just me having a good time. I'll be honest with you, they exceeded my expectations this year. They exceeded my expectations this year, and I think everybody kind of thought it might take two years to get them where we wanted,

you know, what's this going to look like with Caleb Williams? Right. The fact that they were able to progress so quickly and start winning games and continue to win games through the season, and win the North with the Packers and the Lions? I mean, the Vikings had a great year last year, but the Sam Darnold thing was chaos. For them, you know, they might live to regret that decision.

I think the Bears to win the North this year was huge. I think they were, and I, look, the Packers game, the wild card game I was nervous about. I actually thought they were, I was kind of not too scared about the Rams. I thought they were going to win that game. And very close. They're there. I mean, you took, look at it.

the elite teams in the NFC, I don't think they're that far off. If everybody stays put and they get healthy and they, they, you know, they keep going. That offense, you only touched on what it could be. Right. So, yes, they can win a Super Bowl with this group. Seth, thanks to stopping by Club Shesh, bro. Thank you, dude. Thank you, Rob. Great chats, man. Thank you to the Clift Hotel for hosting us at this beautiful Redwood Room. This iconic space has been the crown jewel of San Francisco for over 100 years, it was in this very room where the masterminds of Silicon Valley met to plan the future, all inside of space made out of an 800-year-old redwood tree. Thank you again to the Redwood Room at the Clift Hotel for having us.

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