Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Sheryl Underwood Part 2

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Welcome back to Part 2 as Sheryl addresses the challenges Black talent faces in entertainment, from fair compensation to systemic barriers. She praises creators like Tyler Perry, Issa Rae, and Regina ...King for paving the way but acknowledges the ongoing struggle for equity. They discuss how Black culture, especially rap music, is undervalued despite its influence on mainstream media. The conversation turns personal as Sheryl shares her experiences with respect, survival, and trauma. She opens up about painful moments, including sexual abuse, and the resilience these challenges have built in her. Sheryl stresses the importance of forgiveness, grace, and the healing power of family. Sheryl discusses her views on love, relationships, and vulnerability, sharing what she desires in a partner and the societal expectations placed on successful women. She reflects on lessons learned from her Southern upbringing and the value of mutual respect in relationships. With heartfelt anecdotes, Sheryl emphasizes the importance of mentorship, collaboration, and creating opportunities for the next generation of comedians. This episode is a masterclass in resilience, authenticity, and the art of making people laugh through life’s highs and lows. #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:44 Movies. Is there a movie that you audition, a role that you for coming back. Part two is underway. Movies. Is there a movie that you audition, a role that you audition for that you didn't get that you like, damn? Or is there something that you turned down that you wish you hadn't? No, cause I rarely audition
Starting point is 00:01:57 cause I don't consider myself an actor. I consider myself a personality who can be taught the mechanism of acting, how to hit your mark, stay in your light, memorize your lines, work on it. And I like doing certain things. I would love to do a sitcom, and I have a couple that I'm developing.
Starting point is 00:02:16 I like doing movies. What I feel is, I think Kim Whitley is one of the greatest actresses. Yvette Nicole Brown, greatest actress. Tisha Campbell, all these great actors. Regina King is not just a great actor. She's a great director and a producer. Issa Rae, I have ideas that I want to work with everybody,
Starting point is 00:02:38 and all I want is a cameo. That's all I want. I want to produce. I want to be able to stand up at these award shows and give it up for the show that the winner is. And I walk my black ass up and go, she did it. She did it. She produced and she did it. You turned down Player Club, didn't you? Okay. Let me tell you what happened.
Starting point is 00:02:59 I... Because I was in sexual interpretive dance, they knew I had the skill. And so they called me and they said, we want you to consider this part. So I said, let me see the entire script, not just the sides, the sides are the pieces that you gonna be.
Starting point is 00:03:15 I said, I need to see the whole script. Now, I'm still not understanding, you ain't supposed to be making demands when they trying to get you a job. What the fuck? That's why you ain't in no relationship. Right? You over here making demands. So I, I say to them, I job, what the fuck? That's why you ain't in no relationship. Right? You over here making demands.
Starting point is 00:03:26 So I say to them, I need to read the whole script. So I read the whole script, and in the script, it's the words of the character they want me to play that say you're gonna do Junior's party or something like that, where Monica Calhoun, the girl that was in Best Man and Best Man Holiday, she ends up passing away. She's more Chess Nuts white. She plays it passing away. She's Morris Chestnut's wife. She plays it.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Okay, this is where she gets raped and beat up. But it's my words to say, the character they want me to play, say you gonna do Junior's party. So I called them and I said, I cannot do it. And they were like, why not? And I told them why. I said, I've been raped.
Starting point is 00:04:00 I said, I cannot do it. And they were like, well, it's just a part. I said, no, I'm not that good of an actor to step out of my own trauma. I said, because I've been told this girl, hey, read the rest of the script. You're about to get gaffled, right? You're about to get a seated face right here.
Starting point is 00:04:22 I would have been like, the line wouldn't have been, you're going to do Junior Party. The line would have been, bitch, don't do Junior you gonna do June's part of the line bitch don't do Junior party I'm not that good of an actor not not to do that and my heart is always Your heart's always in the is in the right spot Absolutely, like when I dialed into the call for it with the Queens of Comedy. I I
Starting point is 00:04:43 When I got the call to ask me to come and dial into this for a possible situation, I was so excited to work with them because I felt like this would be an achievement to show us all together. So it was going to be, it was going to be you, Samore, Adele Gibbons, and who? I think Laura Hayes. Laura Hayes. Right. Because I think Monique had already gone on to the things that she was going to do individually. And so I get the dial-in information. And we do a lot of conference calls in organizations and nonprofits and things like that.
Starting point is 00:05:17 So I know the dial-in, but I think they're going to put me in queue. I don't think they're going to put me directly. Directly in. Yeah, directly in the call. So I go directly in the call and I hear words spoken about me But I think God needed me to hear it need me to hear what my colleagues felt about me So I did you know prior to that they felt this way about you No, or maybe I was too delusional. Maybe I was still on the, hey, hey, let's get together and do a show, let's rent a barn,
Starting point is 00:05:46 and we can do a show and raise some money and get a cow for the cookout or something. I'm still thinking, oh, this is great. And I did not know some of the things that I had heard and still hear about me, I think are misplaced. And so then I took the time in my life to show people a better version of me. I'm still strong-willed.
Starting point is 00:06:12 I'm still, who the fuck you talking to? Nah, we ain't doing that. I still walk into bookings and say, did everybody get paid? Well, sure, we paid you. I don't give a fuck. Did everybody get paid? Until you pay everybody, you will not be having a show, right?
Starting point is 00:06:26 I'm still a leader, right? But in that case, I think God needed me to hear it. And that's what I really wanted to say on CBS, that these women had achieved something, but they blessed me with something to learn more about me, to help me get to CBS and learn how to be a better me while I work with a team. And if I hurt them, I want to ask them to forgive me, even now, because wouldn't it be great to see me, Adele, Samore, Monique, Laura Hayes,
Starting point is 00:06:56 all of us do a movie together? And I have that script, and I put my team together to write the script because I'm not trying to pay it backwards or forwards or anything. I'm trying to show if we come together, why is it other races of people can hate each other, but they'll come together and do a move. There it is.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Let's show solidarity and then we all get paid. Did they know you were on that call? Did they have any idea? No, they didn't know what I did was the person who invited me to get on the call. I said, I don't think I'll be a good fit. And that's when I started to learn it's okay for you to back out of something, Cheryl, and just say, hey, maybe this is not going to be right. I could have called everybody, I heard what the fuck you said about me, da da da da da, but that's not gonna be good spiritually. And I gotta face God one day, and I'm trying to be a better me. But also, I respected what they said, and then I tried to talk to each one of them,
Starting point is 00:07:57 see them at award shows, at the hoodies, or see them on shows, and different things that we were working on. I would try to be a better version of me, whether they accepted it or not, because I fear God more than I fear man. And these are my colleagues and I love them. And no matter what they feel about me,
Starting point is 00:08:12 I'm not saying I love you and I'm gonna be a sucker, but I do want to have that type of power to be able to say, and I've said it, I can't play this part, but she can, call her. And every time my agents, my representatives say, would you stop doing that? say and I've said it I can't play this part but she can call her and and every time my agents my representatives say would you stop doing that no I will continue to do that because if somebody opens the door for me I open the door for someone else. So how did you have the conversation did you ever have a
Starting point is 00:08:36 conversation with them individually where you like I heard what you said I don't know why you said it because I'm just Sheryl Underwood I don't think I'm this I don't think I'm that I I don't think I'm that, I'm just being me. Did you have an individual conversation one-on-one with these individuals? I think it had grown so big with me being on CBS and I will accept of the few times that I've stepped in it at the top, you know, one time I stepped in it and I was working on Steve Harvey Morning Show and Steve allowed me to apologize to our community for stepping in some that I was not savvy to understand and I asked the community to forgive me. It had got so big, I think they missed a part of it where I was saying thank you.
Starting point is 00:09:19 I appreciate what you've done. And when it goes viral, you know, and when everybody, oh, that's what you did, or everybody's weighing in on it, it would be difficult to have that conversation, I would think. But I worked in my career to have the ability to want to put something together. Not because I want them to kiss the pinky ring,
Starting point is 00:09:42 I want to show you I respect your talent. I respect you. And I also believe you ain't always got to like a to work with them. Mm-hmm. I agree. Sometimes you just get that work, get that money, and let's keep working and keep making that money.
Starting point is 00:09:57 For your family, mortgage, everything. We've got to figure out how to put our differences aside to make great art that makes great commerce. You mentioned making money, and you're very savvy with your money. You invest, you take care of your money. You mentioned that the most important thing to you is to making sure your disabled sister has 24 hours care.
Starting point is 00:10:18 And when you started making money, Cheryl, did you always have this idea, like, it's not how much money I make, it's how much I keep? Have you always been this business savvy? Have you always been, like, I gotta not only make money, but I gotta keep it because I got people counting on me? Both my mamas was entrepreneurs. My mama mama, who raised me, had a drapery business
Starting point is 00:10:38 down in the basement, but she would come upstairs and make sure that them pots was rattling. My daddy had a plate of food, the middle piece of the cornbread, the big piece of the chicken, and that's what I watched, right? And my dad, entrepreneurial. So I knew I had to get in some type of business structure,
Starting point is 00:10:55 so you're absolutely right. And then when my sister came to live with me after my birth mother died, and my brothers, you know, and my sister, I understand what they want to do with their life. I understand it. But I've been up under my sister since I was a baby.
Starting point is 00:11:11 She's older than me and I didn't know she was disabled. I thought she was just fun to be around and I still tell jokes about her. And if political correctness will allow me to tell the jokes that they're written, I will bring those jokes back. They're funny jokes, but you're not supposed to use certain words, you're talking about the disabled. But the word gives the joke, it's like English on the ball when you're playing pool, the word gives the joke
Starting point is 00:11:35 the spin, the power, right? So my sister, I knew I was gonna take care of my sister. I knew when I was a little girl, because I was already doing it. I was a little bitty girl, I mean three, four, five, six years old. Being with her, she was my playmate and I was hers. This is the baby I was supposed to have. Did your mom or dad ever tell you that this would be your responsibility if something were to happen to them that you would have to take up the role or be the mother even
Starting point is 00:12:04 though that's your sister? You're you now you're the parent in the relationship because now you have to provide did they ever tell you that or you just knew that was your responsibility well I know my grandmother on my mother's side was like you you've got to do it because you're a girl and she's a girl you know and you know in our families is whoever's the oldest take care of but my older brother was looking at this like okay I, I'm doing it, but I shouldn't be doing it, so I'm uncomfortable about this. I'm speaking for him, he's never told me this,
Starting point is 00:12:29 but he did come on the talk and tell me that he was proud of me. Wow. And of the two people that's ever told me they were proud of me, my father before he died, and my oldest brother, but I was shaping my life for this. I've been married once, and the only reason I didn't jump into marriage
Starting point is 00:12:46 when people were like, marry me, I'll take care of you and your sister. I said, okay, understand this, if you touch her, I'll kill you. That's as simple as that. That's it. You still wanna get married? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:56 Right? That's just me. And to me, the greatest joy in my life was asking God, open the doors for me. Where does she go if something happens to me? You know? So, yeah, I mean, my sister was my motivator. And, you know, she can't read, write or talk, but she'd be loud.
Starting point is 00:13:13 I'd be telling her little jokes and I'd be like, you can understand more than you can understand. Or I'd make a drink. I'd turn my back and now my drink's going, oh, come on, Long Gut. Let's have the Long Gut, you know? And she would clap and we would have fun together. But that is what motivated me to succeed. Even though I was not, you were pretty much deputized. I'm the girl, I'm going to do it.
Starting point is 00:13:35 And then I started to enjoy it. I started to enjoy grocery shopping and doing laundry, going to school, and then rushing home to take care of her. I started to enjoy it. And what did it give me? A work ethic. Yes. I have a strong work ethic.
Starting point is 00:13:48 And my father, I remember my dad going, are you sure? And I said, I'm sure. He said, but what about your life? What about your family? I said, she is my life. She is my family. I can't turn my back on her. You think that's the greatest,
Starting point is 00:14:02 like I was a kid growing up and coming home and giving my grandmother $10, giving my grandmother $20. That started me at a very young age. I'm a provider. My greatest enjoyment is providing for my family. That's the only thing that I think about when I wake up and when I go to bed at night.
Starting point is 00:14:19 Just let me provide for my family. Let me tell you something. My father would not take money from me. You know, he worked a good job at Chrome Play, right? But you know, everybody between check. So I would have to dap him up on my way out the door. Hey, daddy, you know, when I come back, I come back to Chicago, we're gonna hang out and I dap him up. But one time when he figured out how much money I was making, this was back when remember the war before war on terrorism, there was a war on drugs. Yes. And they were pulling us off planes
Starting point is 00:14:45 because we was mules or drug dealers and everything. And that's when they was paying us cash. Right. So I had the dope brick of cash. Had the dope brick of cash. Flew through Chicago. I said, daddy, I need a favor. They said, what?
Starting point is 00:14:58 I said, I need you to take this money and wire it back to me. Now, I never showed them what the money was. Now, come on now. We both, you know, if you don't know what my father looked like, you as a shorter man. Okay so my daddy was like I'm taking my baby to the bank, I run the bank, they know me brother Underwood. So we walking to the bank, what you need Mr. Underwood? My daughter need me to wire this money. Okay show him the money. I pull out the money, his eyes get wide. She takes the money, walks out the room, bring us back some forms.
Starting point is 00:15:28 My father go, where you get that money from? I said, I worked for it. I worked for it. I show him the contract. He reads the contract. He said, you made all this money just doing 45 minutes of work. I said, yes, sir. Yes, sir. I said, I'm telling you the truth. He kept the deposit slip when he died. The deposit slip was under the lace runner on the dresser. Yes, sir. Yes, underneath it. He would look at it with pride. He was so proud. That's right. That's right. That's what this is about. And it's hard to get, you try to get your older people to accept things.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Because my grandmother, my sister would literally have to sneak her out the house Yes. Well, to get a refrigerator. Yes. Or to get a washing dryer. Because she's like, let them boys enjoy their money. Yes. But I enjoy it was to take care of her when she gave up. She raised her nine and then took my mom's three and raised them as her own. That's right. And so that was me and my brother's responsibility. But it was, we caught hell trying to get her things because he's like, no,
Starting point is 00:16:29 I don't need it. That's right. That's right. I tell the story about my sister riding in the passenger seat of my convertible Bentley. I tell the story in the show and I can't tell it here because I got to use certain words. Now I want you to let's show to get canceled. Appreciate that. Okay. But? I sure appreciate that. Okay. I left a little bit of money. I made it.
Starting point is 00:16:48 That's right. And if you come to my live show, Mix and Mingle Tour 2025, you come to show, if I've been drinking enough, I will tell those jokes. But I wanted to achieve something. I wanted her to have security. I wanted her to have a roof over her head. That is why I'm working hard. Now, there are people that depend on me.
Starting point is 00:17:05 The other acts depend on me. Everybody that works with us depend on us to make sure we do the right things so we can keep making this money. You mentioned you told black people, buy stocks instead of lottery tickets every Friday. That's right. That's right. We need to see people say, I ain't gonna buy no stock. Stock too risky
Starting point is 00:17:25 Shut up nigga. You buy a lottery ticket every Friday. What the difference? Yeah, you invest in in something if you hit the number that's great. But what if you hit the stock number? What if you like cryptocurrency? Are you investing in this crypto? I did not I can't I can't do it It's just I had an opportunity But when it first came out I can show you the thing a guy a friend of mine. I met him many many years ago He said Shannon I got an opportunity when it first came out. I can show you the thing a guy a friend of mine I met him many many years ago. He said Shannon. I got this opportunity I was there he says I don't know if you know anything about crypto Uh-huh, but I got an opportunity and I'd be willing to sell I'd be willing to sell you I think he said like 25 or 50 and at the time the coins was like probably like a hundred and fifty two hundred dollars
Starting point is 00:18:01 Uh-huh. So he said I could sell you, you know ten to twenty Yeah, and if you wanted more, it would take time, but I could get you more, because I know you. How long ago was this? This was 2015. OK, now listen to me, though. But you got to hold it, and you got to remember how to get into it, because if you lose
Starting point is 00:18:16 the thing to get into it, and see what this is what I say. And I love Mark Cuban. Matter of fact, I was talking to Mark Cuban when I was working at KRMB in Texas. I think that when you have disposable income that you can speculate in cryptocurrency, that's great. But most people don't. So they think you're gonna take $1,000 of cryptocurrency
Starting point is 00:18:36 and make a hundred million. That's not how this works. You got to have money to lose. Correct. Disposal, you gotta have this. You gotta have, even when the stock market's like, okay, I got money that I can set aside for five, 10 years, and I'm not going to miss it.
Starting point is 00:18:49 Absolutely. Because if you don't. Absolutely. And what we need to do, when you see a black man running Beatrice Foods, and when you see a black man doing the things that these black billionaires are doing, yes, you can do that if we come together.
Starting point is 00:19:04 But if we don't have the money to lose, don't play with people's money. It's just like raising a son. When they got that insurance money and they're supposed to get that liquor store, they done messed up the money. That's what it's about. And you can't mess up people money
Starting point is 00:19:20 because people need it. Absolutely. Are you okay being the breadwinner in a relationship? I'm not the breadwinner in a relationship. You mean any man I'm with? Yeah. I'm not the breadwinner in a relationship. But would you be okay if you were?
Starting point is 00:19:34 I'm not. There's no man I know from you, or he got a regular job, he work at a warehouse. He is the head of the household, he is the breadwinner. I will chip in as he see fit because he's the head. Now this is the way I was raised, a lot of women not gonna agree with me. No they ain't gonna agree with that.
Starting point is 00:19:55 I'm cool if you don't but. They're about to tear you up Sheryl. I'm just letting you know. Well I, tear me up because here's the thing. Even if I make more money, it doesn't make me the breadwinner. Oh money, it doesn't make me the breadwinner. Oh, okay. It doesn't make me the breadwinner.
Starting point is 00:20:08 It makes me the baby. What you say you want to do what? Or what you want for Christmas? You want a pony? Okay, nigga. I got you. Sheryl, you know like- What?
Starting point is 00:20:17 The breadwinner, you know, he has normally that person has the larger voice in the relationship. He's a man. He's going to have, this is what I believe. But what if you got the money?. He's going to have, this is what I believe. But what if you got the money, you making the money? No, this is what I believe. I believe I am advice and concurrence. He is the head of the household. Now this is how I believe.
Starting point is 00:20:36 The word did not originate with me. He is the head of households. People need to start reading Ephesians. That's what I believe. I may be strong willedilled. I may make money. But I'm not the head of the household. But when I watch my mama, mama who raised me, and my daddy, I've watched them talk on Saturday morning.
Starting point is 00:20:54 And my brother, Chris, will tell you this. I watched them talk on Saturday morning. And they settled the differences and come out unified. I am not the head of the house. I may be an influencer, especially if this man has children. Right. Right? I want to make his life better and easier, but I'm not the head of the household.
Starting point is 00:21:13 Even if I have access to more money. What happens if I don't have access to more money and we got to live off his money? Then we're going to be eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and fried bologna, because I love fried bologna sandwiches. And I like the salami, fried salami with the peppercorn. Delicious. But if we got to live off of that, he is still the man in the head of the household.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Women don't think like that no more. Well, I think like that. And why the hell I'm not married? Damn it. But that's what I believe in. And I want a man young or old to see that Young or old what you mean? I go from 35 to 95
Starting point is 00:21:51 Come on Woodrow 35 to 95 How that you get up? You ain't looking for no 35 year old Young men talk to me I know but you ain't want that pressure You ain't trying't want that pressure. You ain't trying to get that pressure like that.
Starting point is 00:22:07 What kind of pressure you talking about? Back beat in on the rig. Listen to me. I know how to hold my own. I know how to arm wrestle. Let's go little boy. Come on and eat this cereal, ride this big wheel and stop playing.
Starting point is 00:22:21 So what's the, obviously there's not any word that you're gonna be able to go that people are not going to know who you are Cheryl. It's my voice. Yeah. It's really my voice. When I go through the drive, through the order, my Popeyes, it's 35 Negroes in the window going, I told you it was Cheryl.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Why you need all this shrimp and chicken Cheryl? I thought you was losing weight. So what's the dating scene like for Sheryl Underwood? How should I answer this, employee of the millennium? I would say, I wish that someone would appreciate what I bring to the table. And I wish that I don't mind a man who has wish that I don't mind a man who has children. I don't mind a man who has less children.
Starting point is 00:23:10 Yeah, because you ain't having none, so you... Yeah, because my transmission been dropped, so I'm out. Home on! If I'm pregnant, it better be three wives, but if it don't, because it's Christmas. Listen, I think the dating scene... Well, first, I don't go out a lot. I work a lot and when I'm at home, I'm happy to be home.
Starting point is 00:23:30 I have people, a person, situation. But you never know, you know, linger long but die you must. I mean, to ask how is the dating scene, you have to ask the men. Because I mean, I ask how is the dating scene, you have to ask the men. Because I mean, I will approach a man, but I like to be approached. I like, would you, I grew up, would you like to dance?
Starting point is 00:23:52 Would you like to go to the movies or something? I'm looking for that. I'm looking for that. Man don't like rejection. I'm not gonna reject you. If you man enough to walk across a room and walk through three of my best girlfriends and go, hello, Cheryl, my name is Rodney Jenkins. I don't know why I picked Rodney Jenkins.
Starting point is 00:24:09 You're not going to be rejected. You're not going to be rejected? Yeah there's the possibility you might. No okay go ahead let's play the role. Action! Ask me out, ask me out. You want to go for a hamburger or something? Say it. Okay this is how I would do it. Action, okay. My name is Shannon Sharp, how you doing? I know you, nigga, come on, let's go. Let's go, nigga. All I gotta do is take these muscle relaxers.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Go through the hamburger place, get two hamburgers. Listen to me, it's all the popping. Listen, if you, my name is Shannon Sharp. I don't know why you even think you need to have me. Y'all like, I'm already taking my clothes off before I even got in the car. Why is this bitch naked on the curb? Why?
Starting point is 00:24:52 Would you do online dating? Would you like? I am, I'm on like eHarmony, and I have Raya, and all that. What's your name? I don't think people believe it's me. I don't think people believe it's me. And matter of fact, I'm about to cancel all of that.
Starting point is 00:25:06 I'm about to cancel all of that. Listen, if you are coming to the Mix and Mingle Tour and would like to date me, just walk up to me. Because I think men believe I already have someone. Well, you kind of do. What you know, I don't know. Who you saw? I thought I walked in here by my damn self. No you know, I don't know. Who you saw? I thought I walked ahead by my damn.
Starting point is 00:25:28 No, but who I got? Well, let me just say this. I think that people think that we all have it together. Right. Stand up comedy, or really in your career field too, it's the loneliest thing in the world. Because you're talking to the world, but you go home alone. And then you got to hope that the person is there
Starting point is 00:25:50 for longevity. So I mean, yes, I would like for a man that's in my vicinity to say, stop looking. You found it. That's right. That's right. And I don't care about age. And I don't care about things that you would think if you want to date me.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Like I said, I take a fried bologna sandwich. If you say, well, what are we going to do on the first day? You're going to fry some bologna, get some nice good bread. It don't have to be name brand bread and good mustard, you know, French's, you know, good mustard with the crust around the bologna. That's a date for me. That's a date. We can sit in the car and listen to music all night. Oh, so you ain't got one of these high sedated places, spend five, six hundred dollars on the first date, huh? If he, after we did some reasonably priced things and we're a couple, wanted to go to those places, I would want to open the door but that ain't got to be the first date no no no and I wouldn't
Starting point is 00:26:50 want a man to break the bank trying to impress me because you can't do it every day right that's why I tell a man don't start out buying flowers yeah don't start out leading with money that's right if you if you ain't got it now if you got it you ain't got to do it either if you got it, you ain't got to do it either. Keep it. I need you to keep it. What if I need, if you spending all your money trying to get some, and when I ask you, hey, nigga, let me hold 500. I ain't got it, I ain't got it.
Starting point is 00:27:14 Why? Because you spent it all on me. When you could have saved the money and gotten the pussy. Listen, I'll be here all week. It's got the Mix and Mingle Tour, 2020. Get me on all social media. Yes, that is me trying to learn social media. Have you seen the day this show popped the balloon?
Starting point is 00:27:32 Yeah. What? And then you popped the balloon if you don't like it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, well, I think that's interesting TV content. Yeah, okay. I just don't think that's real life. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:44 You ain't popping no balloon on me just cuz you don't like my toes That's a bunion that's a corn in a bunion how you address to something like that. Yeah Have we gotten too superficial sure I think we're no more superficial than we we've been Because it's people men like what they see, women like what they hear. That's right. But when you get to social media, that's when you have a problem.
Starting point is 00:28:15 And when you let other people get in your ear. Yeah, see. That's the deal. That's right, that's right. Any man walking with me or near me, I don't give a what the world is talking about. You're my man. I love you. I want you to look good, smell good.
Starting point is 00:28:31 I believe in the smell good. Yeah, that's me. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna get me one then. You listen to me. I'm gonna get me a young one then. Sure I'll say, hey, sure I'll say 35, 35. That's right. I like, I like the smell of a man.
Starting point is 00:28:43 You know what really turned me on? What? Is I don't want to bed early, because I like to go to bed early, because I get up early in the morning and my man come in smelling like club, tobacco, and brown liquor. That snuggle up on me like, now I'm like, listen, you're going to be late for church. You'll be late for church. Now I like a man. I like a man to be, no matter what your age,
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Starting point is 00:32:10 there's a whole lot of things catching my eyes these days. Here's a clip from one of my favorite episodes. You are not a real fighter. You will never be discussed anywhere in boxing history. Ever. Fake Paul. The movie is The Apprentice, and the movie is about young Donald Trump and his apprentice, Roy Cohen.
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Starting point is 00:32:57 95? Yeah! What the hell you gonna do with a 95 and push it in the wheelchair? I'm a young tinderoni to a 95? Woodrow, Woodrow. You gotta push him around in the chair Malachi, oh yeah, I'm gonna push him around
Starting point is 00:33:08 Matter of fact we're gonna have double scooters We're gonna drive around, be in the casino playing finish line I'm ready You was in World War II, you can get it If you was a Tuskegee Airman You get what, a check? No, no, let me tell you something Let the old dude take that Viagra
Starting point is 00:33:23 You gonna get walled out like a 35 year old dude. I'm gonna be sitting there smoking a cigarette. Let him smoke sparks. Yeah, and listen, I'm like, look at Woodrow, look at Rufus, you did your thing. We up here listening to Johnny Taylor and Sam and Dave. What about marriage? You open to get married?
Starting point is 00:33:40 I believe in it. I don't like to have sex on the first date, I mean, I't get caught slipping I prefer to be married. I prefer to be married and I don't like sex on the first day. I mean if you if If you don't get married Would you consider it would Would that be a number? Shack it? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:34:07 I mean, yes, I mean, you ain't going to. Hell no. Can't no man worth his manhood and his backbone put a key in anything I own and walk in like he run it or he own it? You are not a man. That's not how this goes. I want you to live in your own separate house,
Starting point is 00:34:22 and I live in my own separate house until you make a decision that I'm worthy to live in your own separate house and I live in my own separate house until you make a decision That I'm worthy to be your wife Oh I don't Have you ever had a key to a man's house? Hell no, that's your s*** See, people laugh at me
Starting point is 00:34:35 Cause I say I ain't never had a key to a woman's house That's for me, I want you to live You can live right next door, I don't care You know, I just want to be We be monogamous toward each other because I want to be able to trust you And you trust me, you know, you you you can't have no key to my you know You might come over there and see some Thank you, dr. Zuri Morrell
Starting point is 00:35:03 You need to interview my doctor on how I got healthy and lost the weight. Health and wellness is a big thing for me, but no, I can't shack with no man. I don't wanna shack with no man, and especially if you have children. I don't wanna show, and you got daughters? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:20 Oh, hell no. I'm not gonna show your daughters how to be whores. I'm not doing it. Oh, man. I'm not doing it. See how to be whores. I'm not doing it. Oh man I'm not doing it. See that see that now you're looking at a different now. You like I should have married this How many years ago was it? 32 see you we could have been growing our imp. We could have been cryptocurrency down currency down. Do we sell it in brown? Hi, I'm Sheryl Underwood.
Starting point is 00:35:47 And when I want to turn up, I drink this right here. Matter of fact, I put this in Pecan Pie. You see, Jeff Bezos is getting married. And his wedding is estimated to cost $500 million. I can do it for the low low price of 1500 But I give it up for old girl though I give it up for her She really helped him now if she could just help him in the political space You see what I'm saying do something more with that money, right?
Starting point is 00:36:22 Help other people and that's why that's the other reason why my tour's called the Mix and Mingle Tour. We've got to find out why would half the country vote in a way that may cost them things in the long run. And they're voting against their own best interest. Absolutely, absolutely. Just because of some other issues. See, that's the next time we get together.
Starting point is 00:36:42 Talk about politics, talk about the world, events and things like that. But if she can influence him to say you have all this money What what good are you gonna do with it? And I want to shout out the CEO of Costco You know the the CEOs that are standing up and saying well, I think instead of the DEI we're gonna keep that Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know who else I want shout out? The young brother that's running Red Lobster. Now you talking to me about dating, I would love to do an unscripted show where I go on dates and the only place
Starting point is 00:37:13 we going is Red Lobster. Every city, a man wanna go to Red Lobster. As long as you not allergic to seafood, let's go hit all these Red Lobsters. I'm allergic to seafood. Oh, but damn, you can't go there. Stop. You know, you can get a cheddar biscuit.
Starting point is 00:37:25 That's all you can eat. That's all you can eat. But I want to help this young brother really grow red lobster. Yes. I heard you say women shouldn't get divorced because of cheating, especially if the man has money. Why you say that?
Starting point is 00:37:37 Because you know, women, they told you up, Cheryl. They did tell me up? They told you up. Well, then my Tiger Woods joke. I want to never divorced Tiger Woods. I don't give a fuck how many bitches he had over at Perkins. And that was unattractive waitresses. Sorry, not that I don't love the pie.
Starting point is 00:37:52 I'm just saying the girls, why would you divorce him? You grew this dude. You make him the man that he became. Why would you let another take what you grew? And you got to learn how to forgive because I'm sure as women we've done some he may or may not know about and now you may is he cheating all the time and you knew he was a dog when you met him and you thought your what's going to change him that's not changing man you don't but a
Starting point is 00:38:20 blowjob will make a man reconsider his position But a blowjob would make a man reconsider his position. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha But I'm not divorcing you now if you whooping my ass I got to call somebody over and handle this you know three four dudes out with prom night or my brothers Some street dudes you know kilo on them and I give you $50 and some drink Lump him up. That's right, but for me I just I believe you should always forgive as long as he hasn't crossed the line that that you can't come back from But you need to tell him that. Here are my deal breakers. And then ask him, what are your deal breakers? And as long as we can come together and go, I was wrong.
Starting point is 00:39:12 I was wrong. Because a lot of women will hold the pussy hostage. Yeah. And then the man go out, well, you won't give me none, so I went out and got it. Well, why didn't you just talk to me about why are you mad at me that you're neglecting something that I enjoy. My baby, my baby.
Starting point is 00:39:26 That's right. That's the right. And if you can talk to a man and get a man to trust you. See women have other women to talk to, to get it out of them. Men don't have another man to talk to. You can't go to your boys and go, I don't know why, sir. Shut your ass up. You can't do that, right?
Starting point is 00:39:46 So if your woman cannot forgive you, and she's gonna wanna be forgiven by God, as long as it doesn't cross a line, whooping, okay, okay. Yeah, you got to go. But you knew he was crazy when you met him or ass whooper when you met him. You know, my deal breaker is you can't lose
Starting point is 00:40:03 all our retirement money. Because I can't make this money back. I got pension, I got everything, I work too hard for this, you know, my sister's depending on me, you got some get rich quick scheme, you lose all our money. That's a deal breaker for me. But I will tell the man the truth. We ain't mixing money like that because somebody else is paying. Oh, so okay, you get married.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Yes. He has an account. Yes. You have an account. Yes, and y'all have a joint account That's right. There it is right there We have an account and I put it in that now What if this got growing hands and he in that cryptocurrency and now we being ass, but he don't tell me He just pinching off that money and growing it and growing it and then I'll be like this Got a 1500 credit score didn't know it existed baby I love you that's see that's you want your man to
Starting point is 00:40:50 be able to do what what do you believe in what are your dreams how can I help you become whatever you want to be right that's what I want to do in any relationship hold it Cheryl Lee Rath they've been married over 20 years. Yup. And they haven't lived together. It works. That's what I'm looking for. When I first read this, I was like, ain't no way this can be true. You know she over there, she go see him, he go see her.
Starting point is 00:41:16 They go tighten up like Archie Bale in the dress. That's right, I'm old. And that's what happens. Sometimes some people can live together. Some people cannot. but that doesn't mean they don't love each other And that doesn't mean they're not monogamous That's the other thing if if I can't if I say well I need to see you because I can't trust what you're doing if you can't trust me to go to grocery store You damn sure can't trust me anywhere else at night. All cheating don't occur at night
Starting point is 00:41:43 True, am I right? anywhere else at night. All cheating don't occur at night. True. Am I right? You're right. But if I love you and you love me and we respect each other and I know cheating will break your heart, I won't do it. Now, I have done some stuff that's questionable.
Starting point is 00:41:57 You know, because men don't like, like if me and you was dating and we broke up, I couldn't get, well, who's your best friend bucket and burns? Okay, bucket and burn. Yeah So I like have didn't do dirty That I would do high five white if we I would do high five white if we made better dentistry. I would do that. I would, now that's a role I can,
Starting point is 00:42:26 have daddy do dirty. Have daddy do dirty. But if I was messing with one of your friends after you and I got together, it's only meant to hurt you. Yeah. Am I right? That's not cool to do. I would tell you, every man I know,
Starting point is 00:42:41 I can still talk to them and be friends. It may never, I don't like to look back. I ain't turning into a pillow salt. Cause you, if I feel you don't want me, if I feel I'm not that girl, even if I put in work, I can feel it that I'm not her. I'm not her. So I'm gonna let you go and live your life.
Starting point is 00:42:58 Do your thing. That's right, that's right. But I would never hurt you so hard to get with your friends. Now I do have a joke that I tell, but you gotta come to the Mix and Mingle Tour 2025 to hear that joke of how I would hurt your feelings if you hurt me really bad.
Starting point is 00:43:12 You just say like the women like sleeping with robots now, Cheryl, is that a, I mean, come on, what's really going on? Well, I have had some battery operated things, and some that I put a lawnmower, gas lawnmower engine on it. But yeah, you have vroom, vroom, I call him Charles. You know?
Starting point is 00:43:33 But you don't really need a robot. These two fingers do it for you. I love you, you love me, we love each other. What kind of a? What, little baby on them. Mm. But I like the intimacy of the talking and the us in the kitchen and you making the chili or whatever you feel.
Starting point is 00:43:58 Oh, you can put turkey in the chili. Let me taste it. I like all of that. Or I like watching TV together. Y'all sitting on the couch, you know, got a little drink, got a little food, you know. Yes, yes, I'm not gonna talk too much to you, depends, like if you watching the game, I don't like to talk to a man when he watching TV. I don't slide on you, go, what you thinking about? I'm not doing that. Right. I'm not doing all of that. But if I
Starting point is 00:44:22 get quiet, doesn't mean I'm mad at you, it just means I'm thinking. And I'm really a quiet person and I need my alone time. We could be in the house, I be in the bedroom, you be in the living room, but then when it comes time for us to meet up together, let's meet up together. Man. What? Hold on.
Starting point is 00:44:39 How many more cars you got, damn. Can I go pee? No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, you can. You can. No, I'm good, I'm good. That was a joke. No, you gotta, did you actually have an escort service?
Starting point is 00:44:50 Yes, I did. You let it go? One of my first companies, because I was going to, when I got to LA, I was going to events by myself. And you know, you go to get a ticket to the Grammys, you know, or I went to the last Tyson fight in Memphis by myself. Oh, Lannis Lewis? Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
Starting point is 00:45:10 I was going to take my dad and my dad passed. But I like companionship. I like to turn around and go, oh my God, did you see this? Or going to Super Bowls to be able to go, oh my God, did you see that pass? Did you see this interception? Did you see, you know, all the places that I'm afforded to go? It's great. Just like mahogany, success is nothing without someone you love to share it with. Billy Dee Williams was right. And I want somebody to share that with. So to be able to go somewhere with somebody, it just brings you closer together. So I wanted to hire men that would study the woman and go with her to an event.
Starting point is 00:45:50 The reason I had to stop the company was because some women felt that if they pay more than $1,000 for this, they should be able to sleep with them. And isn't that pandering, pimpin', procurement, isn't that the three P's in that? So I couldn't do that. I couldn't do it to her,
Starting point is 00:46:07 and I didn't want it to be done to him. I wanted a man. He probably wanted it though. But if you want it, you can't get it through my corporation because that makes me. Pimp. That's right, the legal. Now I believe in pimping, pimping, pimping,
Starting point is 00:46:20 but I don't believe in breaking the law. You get what I'm saying? Because we might bring the dancers back. We might audition a team of dancers and bring that show back. And that helped me double quadruple my money when I added male exotic, and we call it sexual interpretive dance, you know, but I may bring that show back because I do believe that women should let off steam and I believe that men should be able to go and enjoy themselves. You don't want to be with this girl.
Starting point is 00:46:48 You just smoking cigars, drinking liquor, and she's naked. That's what it is. I would want my man to go and have fun with his boys even if that means they fishing or they gambling or if they go to the strip club because now what are you hot and ready for me? Come on home. Come on home and let me take that where she done got you ready. Do you ever sit back and wish
Starting point is 00:47:15 as you've gone on this journey and you've been so successful, Cheryl, do you wish you had someone by your side to share it with? Absolutely. I wish my husband had lived. I wish my husband had not taken his own life. But there's nothing I can do about that. I only can accept God's will.
Starting point is 00:47:32 I had a whole plan for our lives. And I've dated some really great, great men. And I don't believe there's anything wrong with me. I believe that it might not have been the right time. But would I have wanted to have a husband that would have gone through all of this with me? Absolutely. So I can turn to him and go, baby, we did it.
Starting point is 00:47:57 When your husband took his life, did you do any self-reflection? Did you like, what was going on? What did I miss? Was it me? Was it something that I didn't know about he was dealing with? Did you ever ask yourself those questions?
Starting point is 00:48:12 Absolutely. I mean, I got on my knees, I started to bargain with God. And I had, you know how you sleep, but your eyes are open, a little crack open and I could hear the radio playing, I could hear, and something said to me, he's gone. And then the phone rang. And then I got a call, and I was in the military, so I was in the reserve, I was a medic in the reserve, and I know what that phone call is. They don't tell you what's happened, because they need you to get to
Starting point is 00:48:41 the hospital. They want me to get to the hospital, And as soon as they tell me I fell out, you know, like they're doing, oh, Lord, I love you. I fell out and everything. But before that, I knew he was gone because I believe that the Lord sent me the message. And I got on my knees and I started to ask God. I started to bargain with God. And then I caught myself.
Starting point is 00:49:02 And I was ashamed that I did. You cannot bargain with God. His then I caught myself and I was ashamed that I did. You cannot bargain with God. His will be done. That's it. You always say in the Our Father's Prayer, you said, let that will be done. That will be done. I had to accept it. And then for me, I was asking myself, what maybe, but in getting therapy, and one of
Starting point is 00:49:22 my good sorority sisters, Dr. Benny Reams, a mentor of mine, Zeta Phi Beta, she, I was going to therapists, but sometimes you gotta find the right therapist to go to. And she, she's a family therapist, and she was helping me navigate this situation and let me know when a person is in a depressive state. And that's why mental health of men, especially black men, very important
Starting point is 00:49:49 because they're taught to keep their feelings inside. Don't tell nobody. Right. That's right. So he would either be here and then down here. He'd be up here and then he'd go down into the valley of death. And there was nothing I could do about it. But I was young, young married woman. I wanted to be married. I wanted to be in these clubs making this money, working on my master's degree, being
Starting point is 00:50:12 in the reserve, doing everything that we were building together. And I love a wounded bird. I love a man who needs me and I need him and we gonna grow together. But I think as my daddy say, don't why me, why not you? So you believe heartache and tragedy not supposed to come to your door, but it comes to everybody else door. You better learn son, how to get yourself together.
Starting point is 00:50:35 And it taught me, I don't have the power life or death over anybody. Only God has that power, right? But I did think about how can I be better? And in every relationship I've ever had, I look back at myself and think about how can I be better and in every relationship I've ever had I look back at myself and go how can you be better? So when he comes, when the groom that God is sending me comes, I will be ready. Damn, that's deep as hell. Hey, you've been in LA all this time. Uh-huh. You've been in them Hollywood parties um
Starting point is 00:51:06 I've been to a few parties. Mm-hmm Well, first of all, I don't protect because sometimes I forget the lotion my whole body You can't get bucket naked No, they'll pass you by they'll pass you by. They'll pass you by. But I've seen a few things. I've thrown a couple of parties myself. Huh? Yes. How you gonna have a party to invite me? I'm your 32 years. What man you no longer than
Starting point is 00:51:38 me? You bring all that big ass. You bring that Louisville slug up in here. You bring all that big ass, and you bring that Louisville slugger up in hill. You bring that Savannah Saltbone up in hill. The party is over. You done bust out lights and shit. Soon as you pull that out, all the bitches get in the car. I'm not doing that. But I've thrown a couple of consensual, I don't go to the freaky freaky stuff.
Starting point is 00:52:08 It used to be a movie called Blue Collar. Yaffe Kodo, Richard Pryor and Harvey Katel, they were, I think they were car workers or something and they had a little freak party. I was throwing something similar to that where everybody consented. But nobody being filmed and it wasn't coerced or anything like that, but I'm not the greatest I don't do things where people can see you know You're private you much too private for that absolutely absolutely and I tell people what you see ain't what happened Don't tell nobody or you're not gonna get invited to the next That's it.
Starting point is 00:52:50 What are your thoughts on women using their body to ascend in the industry? I feel if that's what gets you there, okay. I mean, a little sex appeal, I understand that. But if you are sleeping to get to the top, you must continue to sleep to get to the top. That means you have to leave the dude that got you there and go to the dude that's gonna take you even higher. And people say, well, Cheryl,
Starting point is 00:53:11 have you ever been propositioned? Yeah, but it doesn't work out because, I mean, I've been asked, if you do this, you can go on the road with me. If you do this, I'll give you this part in this movie. If you do this, I'll do this. And I've told men, okay, how about we renegotiate? Now that's where I'm right there, am I right?
Starting point is 00:53:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He already told you what the deal was. Okay, I think I should give a counter proposal. Okay, if you, I'm a business person. If you tell me I'm do this, first of all, if I'm sleeping with you to advance my career or go on the road, why am I if I'm supposed to be your lady? I'm sleeping with you to advance my career or go in the world, why am I f***ed if I'm supposed to be your lady?
Starting point is 00:53:47 I'm retired. I am now your woman. I am now here to meet every need you need. Now get out there and make more money. Because I'm here when you get back. I got food cooked. I got clothes from the dry clean. I got everything you need, if that's the offer.
Starting point is 00:54:04 But that ain't really the true offer. You just want to see if I'm down. Now if you want to holler at me, holler at me. Now I have told some men, really big time men, hey, you want to do this? Why don't you wait until we're equals? We can f*** up and it's unequal. How about we wait until we're equals and make love as a team? Now, what you want? And most men back down. Because I ain't no gum. I ain't no gum. Either you want it forever, or you don't want it at all. So you think you gonna get some of this, and I'm supposed to fall for the okie doke.
Starting point is 00:54:40 And you gonna grow my career, and I'm still doing taverns? How stupid do I look that I done gave you some ass for that? Cause now you don't have nothing to bargain with. Right. Am I right? Yeah, you done got it. That's what what does he need now? So that's why the answer is let's renegotiate. Taraji and Monique, there's like, look, we're so illegal playing field. We don't get the compensation that the fair compensation that we deserve. And we need the industry to take a reboot and look at this.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Yes. What are your thoughts on that Cheryl? One I'm proud that Tyler Perry and others, the Carl Webers, the Dave Talbers, everybody that's out there producing, even the sisters, the Issa Raeys, everybody that's out there making content. Say it again, Regina King, I think is a genius. It's the financing that you have to get.
Starting point is 00:55:41 And because the system doesn't seem to be set up to appreciate our audience and what we do, it seems like that they think when it's about black people, it's only for us and white people are voyeuristic or other races of people are voyeuristic and looking at us from the outside in. If that's the case, then why is rap so powerful? If it's the case, then why is rap so powerful if it's just us? Right. I believe that we as talent should be paid equal to anybody, right? Right. But I also
Starting point is 00:56:15 understand that the system seems to want to lowball the situation and unfortunately our people think that when you're in the entertainment business, you are wealthy beyond measure. The job may be few and far between. I am no longer on the talk. Talk went off the air, middle of December, almost end of December. I am back on the road. That's why we mixing and mingling in 2025. I can pay, continue to pay my bills even though I'm saving money for retirement. Here's the catch of this. I understand what Taraji is saying, what Monique is saying, and I even spoke to Monique about
Starting point is 00:56:55 this and people say, well, why you didn't support? Why you didn't support? I don't believe, if my voice cannot help the situation, I will not say something that would allow my voice to be used against the situation, you know what I'm saying? But we all could be paid more money, but I understand who I am to the industry. You see what I'm saying? And no, everything's not gonna be fair.
Starting point is 00:57:23 But if we look at this as a commerce and numbers game, they cannot do anything without us. If we decide one day we're gonna sit down, and you figure this out, if every football player sat down, basketball player sat down, and maybe said, if the basketball player sat down and said, until you pay the WNBA,
Starting point is 00:57:43 a little bit more money, or a lot more money, we're not going to play. Right. You got to have some leverage. Am I correct in that discussion? Correct. Absolutely. Yes.
Starting point is 00:57:52 You got to have something to bargain if you want to bargain. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think when you're making content, we already know when they make content for themselves, a white man will probably always get paid more money because there are people that still believe, well, the white man is the head of the household and he's got to take care of the wife and the children. Well, I'm the head of the household until I get married. And even if I do have a husband, I should be paid fairly. And I think that's all Monique and Taraji was saying.
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Starting point is 01:01:01 Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHe Heart Women's Sports. Happy holidays from me, Michael Rappaport. And my gift to you is a free subscription to the I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast, where I discuss entertainment, sports, politics and anything and everything that catches my attention. I am here to call it as I see it. And there's a whole lot of things catching my eyes these days.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Here's a clip from one of my favorite episodes. You are not a real fighter. You will never be discussed anywhere in boxing history. Ever. Fake Paul. The movie is The Apprentice, and the movie is about young Donald Trump and his apprentice, Roy Cohen. Real character, obviously, both real characters.
Starting point is 01:01:52 It kind of has a Scarface vibe to it, which I thought was very interesting. Listen to the I Am Rapaport Stereo podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, and wherever you get your podcast. How do you negotiate it? When do you use like, okay, the counter versus, okay, I pushed too much, I might lose this deal. How do you walk that fine line? My intuition is rarely off.
Starting point is 01:02:22 I know what my number is that I think I should get, but I also do a lot of research. I have inside people I call around, what is so and so getting, what is so and so getting. I remember Sherri Shepherd helping me when I got the job at the top, but I also understand I'm not going to overplay my hand. I always tell my representatives, my lawyers, do not negotiate this deal away. Negotiate a win, a W-I-N. I want the job. I will take this amount of money so I can grow it. When I came to The Talk in season two, I asked God, show me favor, Lord. Let me stay here as long as I can so I can build.
Starting point is 01:03:07 And I was there till the last episode. So sometimes, like my daddy said, you got to live low to get high. Sometimes you take less money, but you get longevity. If you can stand it, if you can stand it, but sometimes you can't stand it, or sometimes it's unfair, then you got to have an ally. I call it the fairy godmother or the fairy godfather. It's somebody that's going to come in and go, no, no, no, no, no, we're
Starting point is 01:03:28 not going to pay that, what is that, craft service money? What was that? We're not going to do that. You got to have somebody on your side that will go in and say, no, this is what we're going to do. Somebody put their thumb on the scale. You mentioned earlier that you lost over 100 pounds. You took Wegovi. Is that? Yeah, I'm on Wegovi right now. Started on Sac-Cynda, now I'm on Wegovi. Weekly injection to help suppress appetite instead of getting gastric bypass surgery.
Starting point is 01:03:52 What has that done for you, Cheryl? I believe that the medication changes your impulses, reward impulses, also anxiety impulses. As you notice, I'm calmer than I've ever been. You are. Since reward impulses, also anxiety impulses. As you notice, I'm calmer than I've ever been. You are. Since we've known each other all these years. Yes.
Starting point is 01:04:12 Yeah. Because I can be a rascal. I can be a rambunctious. But I thank God for having a black Dr. Dr. Zuri Morrell. I'm not saying nothing against my white Dr. Dr. Copeland. He's an amazing Dr. OV C to Sinai, and he's gotten
Starting point is 01:04:25 me this far. Right. But I will tell you, to be able to handle weight and stress and high blood pressure and pre-diabetes and things like that, now I enjoy walking. I enjoy drinking water. I enjoy eating vegetables and everything. I enjoy it with everything else that I enjoy in life. Because I believe when the Bible says everything God made was good, I enjoy that.
Starting point is 01:04:54 And you get to a certain age, and comedy on the road is a rough life. It's a great life, but you're going to eat in fast food places, in certain places. You're going to stay up late. You're going to sleep in and things like that. I enjoy being able to exercise and do the things I want to do, and I want to do it as a lifestyle change. The ejection got me to where I need to go, and I'll probably stay on this for the rest of my life. The studies that I've read seem to suggest that you stay on it for the rest of your life,
Starting point is 01:05:23 and I'd love to testify before Congress and be a representative of one of these companies so that we need to lower the price of these medications. When you get them overseas, they're about two-thirds cheaper than what they are here in the United States. The other thing is, if you get me healthier, I can pay you more insurance premium. Wouldn't you want that? More than an amputation, because maybe that's what the doctor think is the thing that he needs to do.
Starting point is 01:05:50 A lot of doctors don't believe in the medications, right? Oh, you could just exercise. Well, some people need assistance, and I want to be the example of that to show this works. It just needs to be cheaper. If I wasn't living the life that I live in, I wouldn't be able to pay for it. I wasn't living the life that I live in, I wouldn't be able to pay for it.
Starting point is 01:06:07 And now that's why I gotta keep working so I can keep paying for it. But I love how I look, I love how I feel, and I want other people to be able to get these medications. You mentioned your show, The Talk. I mean, you're on what, 15 seasons? I came season two, so I'm about 14. 14 seasons.
Starting point is 01:06:25 Uh-huh. And you see all these other Jennifer Huston has one, Ellen left hers. Sherri Shepherd got a show. Did you ever want to be on a daytime talk show? You ever think it was possible? You mean when I was getting the phone call? I mean so before I got this job. Yeah before you got the job. Well really what happened? I was working a club in New York called Caroline. Okay, and Sherri Shepherd was on the view So I came to see her do the view. We've been friends for years and she Reba McIntyre was the guest and I love reading my country. I love country music
Starting point is 01:07:01 Yes, you know go ahead Beyonce, you know, so Reba McAteer was a guest. I was screaming. Ah, Reba, I got it now. She was like, ooh, bitch, don't touch me. No. But see, I love Reba McAteer. Love all her songs. So I hear Sherry leading over. Sherry introduced me to the audience and everybody,
Starting point is 01:07:19 the people that know me clap. And Sherry leans over to Joy Behar and go, you know, you should get Sheryl Underwood to do your comedy corner. And Whoopi co-signs it. And I go on the show and I do some political humor and just tear it apart. And they invite me back and I do it again. I never thought someone like me could even do it, you know,
Starting point is 01:07:43 or be afforded to do it. And to watch Lonnie Love, you know, or be afforded to do it and to watch Lonnie Love, you know, out there doing it. Comedy is a great, female comedy is a great sorority. I'm a Zeta in the black sorority, the N.P.A.C.s, right, the four sororities, aka Delta Semigamera and Zeta Phi Beta. But to be a female comic, it's a great thing. So when one of us succeeds, all of us succeeds. So for me to get that job, the pride in my colleagues' face, male and female, the hugging. Mike Epps comes on the show.
Starting point is 01:08:17 We hugging. George Lopez, all of us are hugging. Kevin Hart, we're all hugging each other. If I could have got more people on, I would have. Right. But to be able to do it, if God could put all of this together in six days and rest on the seventh, he can open doors for all of us.
Starting point is 01:08:37 And I'm just proud to be there. And I'm probably the only person that's hosted the daytime Emmys five times. I love daytime TV. I'd love to have my own talk show. So the podcast would be like a talk show. And I'd be able to talk in relaxed language and interview everybody I want to. Okay. Can we do it in Los Angeles? Cause I don't, you know, I don't like to drive. I can't drive good. I can't drive. I drive all right, I'm driving Miss Daisy.
Starting point is 01:09:05 I can't, yeah. Yeah, where we do it? I'm sure that probably LA would probably be. You heard him here boys and girls. He said, wait a minute, I didn't ask the most important question. How much do I get paid for this? Well, I mean, there'd probably be a partnership,
Starting point is 01:09:15 so you know, there ain't gonna be a whole lot of money. You didn't wanna be a partnership in love. How you gonna be a partnership in a podcast? This sound like some bullshit. This is CJ Expertise. Oh, so we gonna make a podcast. Yeah. No, we're gonna produce it and things like that.
Starting point is 01:09:32 But under y'all. Yeah. How much is the percentage of the podcast? And how much is the partnership? How the... Well, I mean, it's gonna probably have to be, I mean, we all gotta put something up, so we do 50-50.
Starting point is 01:09:43 That don't sound right. Huh? That don't sound right. Huh? That don't sound right. I'm in charge of production. Yeah. I gotta eat, I mean, I gotta have producers, we gotta have graphics, we gotta have editors. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:54 And you gonna get all of that back? Yes! I think your percentage should be lower. I think my percentage should be higher. Cause you get, when we make money. Cause I'm funding the upfront cost. You're assuming the risk. Okay, so, okay, this is how it sounds, boys and girls. So you're gonna assume the risk, right? Yes!'m putting up for the risk. Okay, so okay, this is how it sounds boys and girls
Starting point is 01:10:06 So you're gonna assume the risk? Yes, you're gonna assume the risk. Yes, but you don't believe it gonna work Yeah, I believe it's like you get 60 40 Yeah, you must have me with some other 60 are you going out to get sponsored? That's like that's like nobody say something really sexual That's like we and you can't mean 40% of the, where do we do that? Well let me ask you a question. Are you going out to get advertising sponsors? Yeah, I can sit with you.
Starting point is 01:10:35 I can sit with you. Integration. Are we going to get integration? Yes. Hell yeah, I'm right by your side. Now what you want, nah, nah. 60-40. No, no.
Starting point is 01:10:46 I'd go maybe, I don't know, 52-48 maybe? Cheryl. What? I'm assuming the risk. I'm the one that's got the camera crew. I got the people. That is why we are not together to this day. You don't know how to take a good offer.
Starting point is 01:11:03 You ain't shit as a businessman, dog. You're trying to swindle me. Who swindle? I'm trying to get the best deal possible for our future. Would you want to have 48% of an empire with success? I like 52% of it. Then it's 60% of nothing. See that voice, girl?
Starting point is 01:11:24 But on the show, I mean, obviously, I think you had a very, very good relationship with Julie Chen. And it was very open. Because she revealed that she's had plastic surgery. She had had a cosmetic procedure to make her eyes look more American. And, I mean, obviously, that was revealing.
Starting point is 01:11:40 I'm sure her community weren't very happy about that. Just like any community. When you have procedures done Yes, that's not that tries to remove you from said community, right? People are not gonna be happy about that. So what what what brought about that? Why was that obviously that was something that you guys had talked about when I first got to the talk Remember is my first consistent TV show job. And it was daytime TV.
Starting point is 01:12:09 Julie and I had a connection, a chemistry. She was the moderator, and she would tee up the joke. She would tee it up for me, and I would either look at her like I got it, I'm about to hit it out the park. Or I don't think I got something bigger than what was going to be said, or what has already been said.
Starting point is 01:12:31 When Aisha Tyler came, because by the time I was there, Aisha Tyler was auditioning. I knew Aisha Tyler. Aisha and I worked together at Montreal Comedy Fest. This girl's a genius. The great actor, great director, and a great comic. So I asked God, she was like, well, put in a good word for me. I said, girl, I don't run
Starting point is 01:12:49 nothing but my mouth in here. And I touched her hand and I bowed my head and I started to pray. And I asked God, put us together so that the world can see two different types of female comedians, but two black funny women. And we were doing these jokes these jokes this how good of a moderator Julie was that she let us go back and forth with these jokes and we were doing how who was poor than who you know comedians like the batters just Jones everything so I each to say that she was so poor that they didn't have shoes for their feet I said bitch we were so poor we didn't even have feet we just walked on bloody stuff bones and blood,
Starting point is 01:13:26 just squirting out everywhere. So everybody was laughing so hard because they had never seen that kind of organic chemistry. And I will say this, sitting beside every woman and man that's been on that show taught me something to the good. I miss everybody. I love everybody, but the Dream Team Five, Julie Chen-Munves, Aisha Tyler, Sharon Osborne, and Sarah Gilbert,
Starting point is 01:13:50 Sarah Gilbert who created the show. It was the greatest experience of my life working with a team of women who were at the top of their game. And I loved Julie. Julie was teeing up jokes for me, but also we were teeing up great conversation. We were teeing up jokes for me. But also, we were teeing up great conversation. We were teeing up things in the news.
Starting point is 01:14:07 Donald Sterling, remember the coach? There was a Sandusky, there was Penn State, all of that. So we were teeing up those types of things on a show that people were saying, we don't do politics. You don't have to do politics. People don't want you to argue politics. But they do want to be enlightened,
Starting point is 01:14:23 entertained, empowered, and laugh in the show. And that's what we did, and I think that's why we won Emmys. But you did have a public fallout. I have obviously had a public, very public fallout with my co-host. In that moment, was it what she said, or was it who said it? I will say my start of it, I remember talking to Pierce Morgan
Starting point is 01:14:49 and I remember talking to them and trying to get them to understand our, the community's feelings about Meghan Markle. Her mother, Meghan Markle's mother, live in Windsor Hills. Now this may be a joke, but live in Windsor Hills and now she's in Windsor Palace with Harry. They obviously love each other.
Starting point is 01:15:11 They done had a black wedding, a black pastor, black choir, you know, Charles over there looking, you know, Camilla need to get her face together because they in love with each other. If the queen like it, then everybody love it, right? But you can't speak against Megan and disregard what she's feeling as a black woman, isolated, stressed, pregnant, having a baby or whatever.
Starting point is 01:15:35 We were not gonna take that lightly. So you might wanna back off of this. And I think that's where it stemmed from. And I tried to say it off the air. And I said it a couple of times to Pierce on the air you know to get off of her right you know what I'm saying so we we love her you know and she's got her happily ever after she's married to Prince Harry let's get off of her and I think there was a uh I don't know, what would you say it was? What would you say for what you saw?
Starting point is 01:16:07 I think the thing is is that when you mention, when you like, if I tell you something off air, don't try to bring it back. Because I think in a situation like this, she thought you were gonna take a different approach publicly as opposed to you took privately. Well, here's the thing, I will say this, in production, just like you have your questions on your card, right?
Starting point is 01:16:32 If you're producing a show, everybody's talking about what's gonna be said and what the response will be, right? So if you're talking about what's gonna be said and what the response will be, and then if it does turn into a, if it takes an off ramp, I call it an off ramp. So you could be talking about something that you already talked about, but then it takes an off ramp. It's not like you
Starting point is 01:16:55 didn't know what was going to be said. The potential that it happened, yeah. Right. Or you didn't know what was going to be said. I think, and for people to say, do you, do you talk to Sharon? Do you still care about, you don't sit next to somebody for 10 years and don't have a feeling for her and her family. But I will tell you, from what some people saw,
Starting point is 01:17:15 it's, I equate this to OJ Simpson. Two different communities see two different things. Right? Two different communities see two different things. I? Two different communities see two different things. I still get trolled to this day in that situation, but I believe that when I stepped in it earlier, I believe that God said, servant, something bigger is coming and it's going to happen. I need you to be prepared for what's coming. You know me, Shana.
Starting point is 01:17:40 You know if somebody's yelling at me, you know, I'm not crying because you hurt me. I'm crying because I can't say what I want to say. Just like when somebody told you, there you go. What would you have wanted to do? Old Shana. I wouldn't have had the show. I wouldn't be on ESPN. I wouldn't have anything. Because God was preparing you. You will face this obstacle somewhere else. And that's why you see me sit there. And when I hear my, when she's yelling, what are you going to do?
Starting point is 01:18:10 What are you going to do? And I turn to the camera and go, we're going to go to break. We'll be right back. That let the world know she's ready to be here. But also I represent every black woman in the world. We cannot be seen as the angry black woman because now you're
Starting point is 01:18:25 messing up somebody else's job somewhere else, right? But I was prepared for that. I didn't do anything wrong. Matter of fact, I'm trying to articulate this in a different way. In a way that you would understand. Right. What would you say to people who think that? But if an explosion occurs right what would have been the best thing to do come back and hug it out at the commercial am I right yes that would have been daytime gold with it okay see that takes two to have an authentication right right it also takes two to reconcile to absolutely absolutely and if you reconcile on air, everybody, kumbaya moment, right?
Starting point is 01:19:09 But if you double down on it and if you type in right now, there are things being said that I will not answer. Why? One, I'm not going to go tit for tat and keep something going. I'm going to go on to the greatness that God is opening doors for all of us. If you don't look inside yourself and get better, right? But me sitting up there arguing with my colleague who I care for, and then after that, she makes a special,
Starting point is 01:19:39 and after that, she continues to say things, will recently say things, Come on, Cheryl. What you gonna keep doing? Because it's like a man. I mean, look, my grandma used to say, boy, stirring up old poop, it still stinks. That's it. So that was my thing.
Starting point is 01:19:55 It wasn't what he said. Yes. It was who said it. That's right. I've been sitting across from this man for six years. There it is. I thought, look, are we best friends? No.
Starting point is 01:20:04 But I thought we had a type of relationship that was respectful. There you go. And you would give me a certain level of respect as I've always given you. That's right. That's all I ask. I don't ask anything more.
Starting point is 01:20:13 I'm not saying you have to be my best friend. That's right. We don't have to hang out. We ain't gotta go to dinner. You ain't coming to my house. I'm not going to yours. That's right. But at least we can be cordial
Starting point is 01:20:21 and we can be respectful of one another. Sometimes you find out who you thought was your friend is really your co-worker. Yes. Am I right? Yeah, absolutely. And then you find out, because we are going to step in it again. Yeah. This is where talk show is.
Starting point is 01:20:34 You probably say stuff, I say stuff that the community is mad about. Right. But on those days where the community, we rode hard for you. Yeah. We was on, I wish I would. I wish, you know what I'm saying? And you held it together. And so did I.
Starting point is 01:20:51 Type it, they was on it. Nothing. But I would afford somebody grace and forgiveness just like I would want grace and forgiveness to be afforded to me. And I feel like the only thing is the trolling the people who you know these thumb thugs these people on the internet anonymous and you this you that I don't been all kind of I don't mean I kind of you this you that you don't even
Starting point is 01:21:16 know me you don't know nothing about me but if that's what you want to do you want to do but I'm not giving you none I'm not you want me to give you some cut me a check I'll sit right across from it and I give you, you want to do, but I'm not giving you none. I'm not, you want me to give you some? Cut me a check. I'll sit right across from it and I'll give you what you want. This will be Morton Downey Jr. meets Jerry Springer. We're going to yell and act crazy and then you and old boy going to come on and y'all going to do the next half hour and we're going to make a fortune. That's a partnership right there. Exactly. Let me ask you this. We won't get out here on this because I wanted to get to your upbringing.
Starting point is 01:21:46 You had a very rough upbringing. How did that upbringing shape the shirl that's sitting across from me right now? Survival. Survival. You know, sexual molestation, sexual violence at a young age was it a family friend was it a family member was a someone that you could was close you know there's always people going in and through neighborhoods in and through households and everything it does sexualize you and I wish people
Starting point is 01:22:22 would understand it males and females it's sexualized you and I wish people would understand that. Males and females, it sexualized you. If you read the Bible, you know, read Song of Solomon, the body was made for procreation and that goodness of that, the body understands that. But if you're not old enough and mature enough to handle it, it changes you. Well, first thing I thought being molested, you know, the first thing I thought, being molested, you know, the first thing I thought was, I'm going to protect my sister. So it was no longer about me. It was about my sister. So I became violent. You want to bring some, you're going to get some.
Starting point is 01:23:00 You know, so I became a violent person, but I never mechanized that, but I was always on protection mode, you know. When I was raped, the first thing I thought was, you need to survive this. You need to survive. I was on my way to reserve duty. I was stationed out at O'Hare Field early in the morning, and I thought to myself, you need to survive. So much so that I was telling my rapist, don't take my ID.
Starting point is 01:23:28 That is a government ID. Do you want some fed charges? Right? So I'm thinking, survive so he doesn't kill you. Right? And I rarely talk about this, but my whole life is about survival. That's I will survive. You know, what's that song? Oh, no, not I. I will survive. Glory to God. That's I will survive. You know, what's that song? Oh no, not I.
Starting point is 01:23:45 I will survive. I'm going to survive. That's right, I'm going to survive this. And every other obstacle put in my path. I'm going to survive. There is something God needs me to do here and I'm going to stay here to do it and be open to his will, even if I don't understand it.
Starting point is 01:24:04 Well, so that's my whole life. And I wanted to, people say, well, why is your act so sexual? Because I wanted my sexuality back from those who took it. I'm going to be what I feel I can be. I'm a hell of a kisser, hell of a kisser. Hell of a,er hell of a kisser Listen to me, but if I had let this overtake me and I collapse I would never be able to express Attraction for a man that I love let me ask you this you had a two I don't know if people know this you had a twin sister. Mm-hmm. She didn't make it. Mm-hmm
Starting point is 01:24:40 You kept her birth certificate. I don't know if you still have a little feet. Yeah, the feet on it Yeah, you kept that. Mm-hmm. You kept her birth certificate. I don't know if you still have a little feet. Yeah a little feet on it Yeah, you kept that. Mm-hmm and I read that your mom lied to you about what really happened to you Absolutely, who you been talking to my family When you obviously when you found out that what was being said to you wasn't true. How did that make you feel about your mom? I Wanted my mother's love more than anything and that's probably why I'm so attracted to wounded birds or something like that Because I wanted my mother's love but it was the pain of my father Telling me I didn't do that Telling me the truth is what made me closer to my father,
Starting point is 01:25:27 because I was determined to go and find out his side. My birth mother stabbed my father and I witnessed it. I wanted to find out what is it, what is it? They were young, I love my mother. But God sent me another mother, my mama. That's how much the Lord loved me to send me motherly love, right? But it was my father that was going through pain as a young man that nobody understood what he was doing until he died. I really didn't know how old my father was because at that time, you know,
Starting point is 01:26:06 black men carried themselves much, much older, right? Right. And when I saw the tombstone, I said, your dates are wrong. They said, no, your father's this age. And then I put the numbers together. My father was a young man, a young man. So to be able to talk to my father and go tell me the truth, what happened?
Starting point is 01:26:24 And he tell me the truth and we hugged and we got to know each other and we were strong together. If you can fix it while they're alive, fix it, fix it. Give grace and forgiveness and that's what he gave to me. Do a part of you feel that your parents didn't protect you from this abuse? I think that my father thought that a little girl should be living with her mother until he was hearing continuously what was going on with me. And he asked me to forgive him.
Starting point is 01:26:56 And I looked at life and I was like, I understood why you couldn't take me. You know what I mean? No matter how bad I wanted you to take me. But. You know what I mean? No matter how bad I wanted you to take me. But I would say, well I would tell you a couple of times, my brothers whooped that ass. My older brothers, listen, my brothers wasn't no punk. You know, listen, I love my family members because they protected me as much as they could. And some people, they call you fast or something like that. But I will tell you this, I love my family. They didn't do everything right, neither did I.
Starting point is 01:27:38 That's the only one you got. That's right. I got a great family. I got great memories. And if my mother was alive, to see how much of her is within me I Would have wanted her to I can hear her you know I can see her I'm looking at pictures. This is my mother's face to your mama your mother never got a chance to see this year No
Starting point is 01:28:01 No, no she died before it could happen. She saw the work up to it. But to have a strange relationship with your mother, that's your origin, so you're searching for that love. So any man getting with me understands what I'm searching for. But my father, my father always had my back, always. And would tell me you can do it. Your brain was, that's right, made by the same brain
Starting point is 01:28:27 that made Bill Gates or all these other famous billionaires. God made your brain and they brain. So I have a great life. I don't want nobody to feel pity or sadness for me, but I do want them to understand who I am and why I am the way I am. Cheryl, I'm gonna get you out of this as a person that's dealt with childhood trauma.
Starting point is 01:28:48 What would you tell someone that's going through something similar and what would you tell yourself having overcome that one? Put the butcher knife down once you kill once you kill. Listen to me, listen to me. And I will tell you this, I live a great life in educate, as an educated woman, but I'm still closer to the streets.
Starting point is 01:29:15 Because when I was raped, street dudes said, if I find him, I'm gonna kill him. I said, do not kill on my behalf. I appreciate that. Why you didn't want that on you? Why do you didn't want that on your conscience? I didn't want that blood on my hands, but I knew if they found him, they was gonna kill him.
Starting point is 01:29:34 And that's what he said to me. If I find him, I'm gonna kill him, right? But that's, you want that, that's dashing. In our community, you want a group of black men to go search. Yeah, you want retribution. Yeah, yeah. But vengeance of mine sayeth the Lord. But I'm not the Lord.
Starting point is 01:29:51 And sometimes I've got that taste in my mouth for vengeance. But you got to control that. But I thank street dudes for always coming to my rescue, always having my back. So to me, I've lived a great life. I've had angels around me that I didn't even know. So what would I tell myself? Put the butcher knife down so you can survive.
Starting point is 01:30:14 You're not gonna survive in jail if you do it. Where will your sister go? What will your family think? Don't disrespect the Underwood name. Wow. What's next for Sheryl Underwood? Sky's the limit. Podcast.
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Starting point is 01:30:53 I'm on X by way of Twitter. I think I got more followers over there, but I'm learning it all. So follow me. It's S-H-E-R-Y-L and the last name is Underwood. Follow me on all of them. I got a great tour. It's the Mix and Mingle Tour. Please come to see us buy these tickets
Starting point is 01:31:09 because this is how I finance everything. Kyle Irby, Mike Washington, and there's something at the end for the fellas. And I got a sports initiative that I'm definitely gonna need your help on. Young boys as young as three years old, as old as 18 will study lacrosse, baseball, tennis, golf, and soccer and other sports.
Starting point is 01:31:28 So if that, listen, Jim Brown was the greatest lacrosse player. He told me this on a plane ride. He was the greatest lacrosse player who couldn't make money in lacrosse. What if we get our kids into lacrosse and then they can go into other sports? Well, I want to finance that. More to come.
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