Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Sterling Sharpe Part 1

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

NFL legend Sterling Sharpe joins Club Shay Shay for a powerful and emotional conversation with his brother, Shannon Sharpe — marking a historic moment between the first brothers to both be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.Sterling opens up about their humble beginnings in Georgia, including growing up without running water, learning discipline from their grandfather, and how their grandma’s love and strength helped hold the family together. He reflects on the lessons their grandfather taught them — even though he never once said “I love you” — and why his passing was the most freeing day of Sterling’s life. At just $6 an hour, Sterling worked in the fields, often giving his paycheck to his grandma to help keep the lights and heat on.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hold on, where'd you cut me? It's still there, it's right there. Two centimeters to the left, I ain't here. I bleed out. And then you wouldn't be here. So I'm definitely where I'm supposed to be. There ain't no doubt about that. All my life, I been grinding all my life, yeah All my life, been grinding all my life Sacrificed, thought so paid the price

Won a slice, got to roll a dice That's why, all my life, I been grinding all my life Hello, welcome to another episode of Club CheChe I am your host, Shannon Sharp I'm also the proprietor of Club CheChe Stopping by for conversation and a drink today Well, he's one of the most dominant receivers to ever step on the field One of the best ever run after the catch receiver than NFL history in seven seasons

He was a five-time Pro Bowl a three-time first team all-pro three times He led the league in receptions three times led the league in receiving touchdowns twice led the league in receiving yardage twice And he also did the triple crown in seven seasons. He's the first player to have back-to-back 100-catch seasons, never missed a game in his NFL career. He's one of three players in NFL history to have 575-plus catches, 8,000 receiving yards, and 65-plus touchdowns in his first seven seasons. At the University of South Carolina, he was a two-time All-American,

and he had his number two jersey retired while he was still active. He's a part of the first set of brothers to ever be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And he's the best Sharp brother. Huh, of the family, my big brother, my hero, my role model, Sterling Sharp. Man, oh man, my role model, Sterling Sharp. Man. Oh, man. Hey, hey, you ain't have any more on that

you want to read. I thought I did a little more than that. Yeah, well, he could drive a track to age of six. I ain't know if you want to CJ to put all that in there, man. Hey, it's what we did did the last time you're the first ever to do go repeat on club. She and the first time we did it. We did it virtually. We also Laporte wasn't even a thing and so for being the first set of brothers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, you get to join your

baby brother and in your rightful place and this is going to be a long, long time coming. For everything that you've done, not only on the football field because that's minute for what you've been able to do for this family and so I think it's only right that we toast. Oh, we're going to pour it up. Yeah, we're going to pour it up. Oh, pour it up. Like my grandma used to say, if you got it, you better drink it or it'll go bad.

I just had to do it bad. You know, I had to do it. But people that watch it at home, this is a commemorative. These are going to be available. This is the first time you're seeing this. Yes. And so this is a 2500. They're only available online. And this is my brother and I, the first set of brothers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the shade VSOP cognac, VSOP cognac the best-tasting premium VSOP cognac on the market and as a commemorative of being the first brother in the Pro Football

Hall of Fame that's right that's how the poor T thought we would do something like this so people at home this will be available I'm not sure I think it goes on sale what Wednesday Jordan I think we I I think it goes on sale what Wednesday, Jordan? I think we I think things it goes on sale the day we release this which will be Wednesday. So congratulations man. It's been a it's been a long time coming and I'm extremely happy. So oh man this is a second time in the history of the Sharp Brothers that we've had a drink together. The first time we had a drink together was when you told me I was the 382nd member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So it's definitely

a special occasion. Very, very special occasion. As you know, La Porte is Porte in French. And everybody has heard me talk about what granny has meant to me. I think people want to hear what granny meant to you. Well, the is is that I'm a firm believer that you have to learn to follow before you can leave and she led us you know when we got to be old enough to where we were playing sports and I was driving us around she never told us when to be home right she only told us to be careful and she always told us we knew right from wrong so. She only told us to be careful. And she always told us we knew right from wrong. So for me, what I got from granny was the ability that you know

what to do. Now just go and do it. You know what everything that you do goes home. So everything that that we did, you know, even when we were in high school and we were, you know, as they like to say, putting up numbers, Right. That went home to granny. And I mean, you know, oh, Mary, your grand boys are doing so good. Right. And but the thing was, is it was so wonderful because at the time, that was our only way to say thank you to her, other than saying thank you to her. And so it was a it's a tremendous honor to be her grandson. It is a tremendous honor to be her grandson. It is a tremendous honor to be the first brothers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

And for me, you know, my whole thing is, is if you don't have family, you really don't have anything. And I never looked at when I became successful or got money that I was helping my family. I was just doing what families are supposed to do. Right. What would you say is your favorite granny story? My favorite granny story is the fact that she was like somebody

gonna hit that little boy in his glob of mouth because he talked all the time. She wasn't talking about me. That boy there, he going, somebody going to put something heavy on him. That's where you see what all, you know, but, but you know, the thing was is my grandma never had a terrible or envious or evil bone in her body. She would give the shirt off her back, which she did to us and bringing us in and and taking care of us You know in all those years, but I all my granny stories Probably revolve around you because we all knew that you were her baby

I mean you could do no wrong you could murder someone in front of her and she'd be like not that older one did it I see She was all about her baby. And I think I, you know, in the times that I spent with her in the nursing home, because I would drive from Columbia to Glenville, be there when she ate breakfast, lunch and dinner, and then drive back and you know, she would fall asleep and wake up and you're still here. I'm like, yeah, I'm still here. But I think she always knew. Or she always felt let me say it this way that I would be okay. And she always felt that that Libby would be okay. I think she was always concerned about you being okay. Like she was always she was

really afraid when I left to go to college that you were going to be the same as you were when I was there. I think that that always bothered her. And I think in my heart that she stayed here long enough that she got a chance to see what she needed to see from you. She saw our playing careers, high school, college, and pro. She knew you were in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

And I think that once she understood that there was nothing more she had to give you and that you were OK, I think it was OK for her to leave us. And I think that's what she did. Right. What do you think the number one thing is that she taught you? That that I don't want to say my best is good enough. I phrase it this way. Everything I did from cutting grass picking tobacco grinding, playing basketball, running track, being a

junior deacon, leading devotional service. Everything that I did, I tried to do better than anyone else did anything else. And most importantly, everything I did, I was my own standard. So I never failed. So if I wasn't the captain or if I wasn't the fastest in this race or if I didn't help lead my team to this victory, I was okay with that because I knew I had did all I could do. And I think the thing I'm probably most proud of is

everything I did athletically, I did for you. And I think she knew and she wanted me wherever I went, whatever I did, don't leave him behind. Don't leave you try to don't leave that. Look, well, it wasn't my fault you three years young guy to go to college. My fault. Now you I had to go to college, it ain't my fault. Now you, I tried to go out with you on Saturday night and make that boy stay home. Well the thing was is,

I didn't want to stay home. You know the one thing we had is we always had good friends in Glenville. Yes. And hanging out with, when I'll throw out a few names with Calvin and Rodney and Lamont and those guys hanging out, you know it was an opportunity for us.

We didn't, I didn't drink then. You know, I wasn't chasing women there. It was just hanging out with guys my age. And the thing is, is I can't hang out over here because I got to worry about this one here going, he always had to wander off and do his own thing. So it wasn't personal. I just want own thing. So it wasn't personal. I just want you to know, it wasn't personal.

When I tell the story about no indoor plumbing and not taking a shower in a home until I was 20, X, Y, Z, people don't believe it. How many times have someone come up to you and say, man, I heard your brother say this and this and this about y'all getting leaked on, y'all having to go out to the woods Y'all having to take bath, you know eating this how many times the people come to be used to me Is that true probably six times a day for 54 years?

And I mean because they're like there is no way the first time you live in a house where running water was 1988 and I said well not for me. It was 1989 because in 1988 I went to Green Bay. So I didn't live in the house. But yeah, I get it all the time because it's hard to fathom in what was today's world. That's hard to fathom. But you know, and I'll say this, Libby and I, our older sister, you tell stories about our upbringing, we would never tell.

Right. Because you can't explain or you can't walk people through what that's like. I heard you tell a story about going to practice and then, you know, coming home, doing as much homework as you can and getting in the car and catching chickens. What people don't realize is that you have to catch chickens at night. It's 9,000 degrees in that chicken house When you come home to take a bath You either gonna take a cold one or we're gonna have to wait heat up the water to be and it's like There are so many more layers that you you can tell about our upbringing

But yeah, I get them all I still get them to this day man Your brother said that your grandma did this. Your grandma hooked you and I with a hook because you were sitting behind her in a fishing pole. I was like, yeah. I mean, it was a perfect cast because she caught my eyelid and she thought she was hung and she just kept trying to unhang herself

until I started yelling. I'm like, no, the story he tells, he is definitely telling the truth. Yeah, you're absolutely right, because people find that, say, man, this is not 40s and 50s and 60s. They're like, bro, we talking about late 80s. It's like, okay, we didn't have running water

in the late 80s. We had well water in the late 80s. We had to put the water in a tin tub and let and let the Sun heat it or we put it on the stove and boil it I'll give you another one people are amazed that I don't know how to cook and I said I grew up old school When you went through Mary Porter's kitchen, you were either eating or you were walking through You weren't learning how to she wouldn't you weren't going in there to cook nothing Mary Porter's kitchen Absolutely. That was not gonna happen. We grew up as old school as you can get. People don't believe when I tell

them I said that at the table we couldn't talk. No only grown folks will allow to talk. If you wanted to talk you had to get up and go on the porch or you had to go in the living room. Only grown folks talk to the table. Not only talk at the table, but when they were in the living room or the kitchen or when grown folks were talking, you had to go. So because that conversation that they were having was not for you. It was not about you. And it wasn't going to benefit you. So yeah, the respect of the

kids go hang with kids. Oh, that was real. What do you remember most about that 1000 square foot cinder block home that had cement floors, had a tin roof, no paneling? It was, you spent the first 17 years there. I spent 20 years there. You left in 83. You got the house in 88.

So I was 20. I'll never forget I was 20 when I called your own room in the house in 88. So I was 20. I never forget I was 20. When I called your own room in the house, call my own room. Yeah, had your own TV, had your own bed. Yeah, yeah. And it was it wasn't cast iron. I have lived my entire life by this phrase, because of how we grew up. This is my life. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

I'm not embarrassed because we never went to everybody, anybody else's house to stay overnight. You know, oh, I'm gonna go stay at Lamont's. People don't believe that. People don't, oh, you know what, man? I'm just gonna go hang out. I'm gonna stay at Cal's house this weekend, granny. The only time we went somewhere to stay overnight

was to go to our dad's parents' house in Reedsville, which is 14 miles away. Correct. We got there Friday and Barney picked us up on Sunday. Yes. That is the only overnight we ever did. So the only thing- Before age camp.

Yeah, I'm trying to think. Did I go? I went to 4-H camp one. You went to Rock Eagle. I went to Rock Eagle twice and I went to Camp Chatham. Yeah. But the thing was is when I look at that house, it didn't motivate me to or drive me to be this or that.

It didn't scare me that I'm going to live like this for the rest of my life. It was us. Man, I'm going to live like this for the rest of my life. It was us, man. I had my family. I learned my jump shot playing with you in the yard. I learned my football moves on the fourth Sunday when Arnell, Eugene, Lanny, Robbie, Bernard, all of us would get together and play in the yard.

I was never embarrassed by how we grew up. Remember, there was jokes. The boys used to make jokes about it man Y'all live so far out of town. They got a front sunshine You know bad coach all we don't want to ride a bad drum is our first coach Oh, no sucker. Y'all right. Yeah, y'all way it can be raining in Glenville and it's snowing out in Tyson Y'all live so far away Never bothered me. No because what it was was it was us right? Always had us

always had my family. And and that was never a motivating factor being poor never motivated me. Because remember the greatest season I had in college, being a consensus all American, being up in the top three five and catches yards and touchdowns. I had another year of college. I could have easily have turned pro because everybody had already projected me as being a first round draft pick.

I remember Coach Morrison going, what do you think? I was like, about what? He was like, about turning pro. My family's been poor my entire life. What's one more year? They used to it. They are accustomed to it. They're comfortable with it. What's one more year? They used to it. They're accustomed to it. They're comfortable with it. What's one more year? Because I enjoyed college. So when I think about

Glenville, and let me tell you, every time I go to Glenville, I ride by that house, because there's so many tremendous memories and fun times and growing up in that house with all of us, Mary Nell sometimes, Gladys Jane, Shermaine, Libby, Dietrich, her son, me, you, granny and papa. I have so many tremendous memories because all my life I lived in my head. Remember we played, that's my car. That's my car. Remember, you know what man when I get some money, you know what kind of car I'm gonna get? El Camino. Car in the front truck in the back. Oh, that's what I'm getting. You

know, so you know, for me growing up was just a way of life in that thousand foot cinder block out. But I have such tremendous memories there, man. I don't I don't have any negativity or wow, you know that it wasn't tough because that's all weakness yeah it was it was definitely motivating for me because I was like I would have what you were different but I was thinking does everybody live like this now you know a lot of my family members lived exactly how we live when we go to their house it was the same thing but I'm thinking about this the kids at

school my friends, do they have running water? Do they have indoor plumbing? I mean, they telling me they taking showers and they doing all this. I'm like, we don't do none of that. I never looked at it that way. I mean, I looked forward to two things I looked forward to.

The fourth Sunday, because you know, Granny and Vir variable and Clarice and Doris and all our aunts were going to get together with granny and they were gonna cook right. And there was gonna be cakes. And on on the fourth Sunday, you know, my grandmother was the mother of the church and my grandfather was the head deacon and the custodian. And we had so we were in charge of the communion wine and Morgan David. We're gonna get to finish all that Morgan David. It was a thousand little cups and we were gonna get to drink that. But you know what? We knew we're gonna get to play. Right. We were gonna get to

enjoy ourselves. We're gonna get to eat good. Those memories man live forever in my head. I love those times. Nothing says summer like long days, clutch plays and firing off a few bets on the game. All with DraftKings Sportsbook. Never bet on baseball before? It's easy. Pick a gotta-go yard, hammer some live odds, mid game, or just ride with your squad and hope for the best.

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And which is really strange because it wasn't like we didn't climb up there and oh yeah, you know, you hey, is this the hole? And you take a broom and you be like right here and you tar that area and be like, okay, now this area is not going to leak. Okay, and then over here this thing only and regardless of what we did, if it rained, it rained on us. Right. Yes, that's, I mean, but that was just the way of life then.

That was just the way we did things. What about the bathroom situation? Not being able to go to the bathroom indoors at a home until I was 20. You were 17 when you, I mean, When I went to college. When you went to college in college. So prior to that, people don't understand. I was six or seven years old. You know, Libby gonna be mad when she see this. Libby don't like you talking about them days. Lib, that's him. I ain't got nothing to do with it.

I'm just sitting here. I felt bad for you because if I had to go to the bathroom late at night, I had to go with you. Granny had to go with you. Make you hold a flashlight. We'd have to take the bug spray, especially if it was in the summertime because the mosquitoes had machetes and they weren't playing. If it was cold, if it was raining, you had to hold up the hold. And we didn't have an umbrella. We had like our our aunts used to work at the Claxton Porchery. Yeah. So they had these like plastic vinyl. Like ponchos. Like ponchos you go to the game with.

So while he's doing his thing, I got to stand over him with a little bit over me and I'm like this, yeah. But that was just the way it was, man. I mean, I would love to be angry that Paw Paw didn't do better and make it better for us. I would love to be angry and be like, granny, you see how we living?

You ain't supposed to live like this. But the thing is, is when you don't know better, it's hard to do or be better. And I was like, this is who we are and this is what we do. And that's my little brother. And can't nobody hit him but me. Oh, well, granny and papa are every now and then. I couldn't say nothing to that.

But that was the thing is it was just us. It was just our way of life. You know, like, it's funny, and I tell people this all the time, you and I looked out the same window and saw two totally different things living in that house. You were motivated by our living conditions. It was just a way of life for me. That motivated you to run harder, try harder, do this. I was just like, you were doing, I think what drove you was is I'm gonna be the one to take care of these living situations and all that and I

I'm like man. He you know, he's doing his thing. He's growing. He's becoming his own man. I'm loving it For me looking out that window. All I saw was is this is what we got and Every now and then I would allow myself to think back and go, are we here if we grew up in Chicago? Are we here if we, are we as close as we are if we grew up in Chicago? No. And so I'm like,

sometimes, many times, we don't get what we want. We get what we need. And that thousand foot, thousand square foot cinder block house gave us both what we needed to be able to be where we are right now. You didn't miss taking a shot. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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and then I come home. It was like a tent hub from can't to can't. So whenever you had to take a shower with the tin tub and and that went on. I mean, just imagine I left and go to college when I would come home for holidays. Guess what you back you back in that tin tub. So but it ain't like I don't know how to do it. You know, I know how to eat the water up and you know, soak that leg and I know how to do all that, you know, it's just like washing a car. When you take a bath in a tin tub,

you wash from the top down, just like washing a car. So, never bothered me, never, never, never once bothered me to the point where I felt embarrassed or uncomfortable. It was just, you know, I brought my girlfriend there. You know, never bothered me because I'm like, this is just what we do. This is who we are. This is how we grew up. I'm sorry that you probably don't understand this. This is just life.

Right. The drinking of the well water. I remember, I mean, drinking well water and then the well went dry. And then we had to go get a barrel we had to go to Christine and she would let us fill up the barrel fill up the barrel and that was our drinking water that was our washing water because we sat the barrel and that those barrels were so I mean 55 gallon drum cast iron with water in it yeah and so that would have to last us, you know. At first, until it ran out and we had to load it back in the truck. Yes. And then we were driving the vehicle

that might get us there and it might not. Right. But you go back to the well. We remember what we had to put in the well to kill the bugs. We put catfish in the well. Put the catfish in the bottom of the well to kill the bugs.

To eat the bugs off the top. Correct. So now mind you now, Yes. The water that we're drinking, there's a live fish catfish. Yes. Because we didn't want bugs. It didn't dawn on us, well, if the catfish had to go to the bathroom. He going. That didn't dawn on us. It was just the bugs. We are not robbing Peter to pay Paul. We just robbing Peter. That's all it was. Yes. Yeah. Libby, I ain't got nothing to do with any questions.

This your little brother. I don't want to talk about this. This is what you want to talk about. The meals that we ate, we got chicken once a week. That was on Sunday. I can't remember a time in my, from the time that I was old enough until the time I left. We ate good on Sundays. We always had chicken. Always had, yes. We always the time I left. We ate good on Sundays. We always had chicken always had. Yes, always had chicken. Yes. And what you didn't eat you got it on Monday because you got

some other fried. Yeah, that's right. But and we ate everything on the pig from the router to the to the yeah yeah everything on the chicken everything on it. Yeah, the first and last party got over the fear that is the peak of the book that is correct. But see, it's funny having this conversation because he's saying things that I never thought of. You know, when we would kill a hog and we had to go over and get, you know, granny would say, go over and get mama, her mom, grandma, go over and get grandma Lou, because we're going to kill a hog because grandma Lou was the chitlin expert.

Yes. But I never you know People don't realize that we would go out in the woods and and get a tub of turpentine we would boil water put the turpentine in there and slide the hog in there and turn it around and Most of the hair would just come off right but then one of my uncles or our granddaddy would take the straight razor and Shave it. Yeah, and we ate everything on pig feet, you know, those. We ate it all. Ears. Hog head cheese.

We did it all. Yeah. And but that's just the way of life. That is not a, OK, I got to do this now and I'm not going to have to do this again. No, this is just the way of life. Right. That's all. What do you think the craziest thing,

cause when I tell people the stuff that we ate, they're like, man, nobody eat that. Man, nobody eat no possum, nobody eat that. I've never eaten possum, and I've never eaten chitlins. I was like, I'm like, I'm not doing that. That ain't gonna, I'm not doing that. I don't care what, I'm not eating chitlins, that's not gonna happen to me.

I promise you, Kellogg's, he ate more corn flakes than anybody on the history of the planet. Cause I'm not eating chitlins, that's not gonna happen. I promise you Kellogg's he ate more cornflakes than anybody on the history of the planet. Because I'm not eating chitlins that's not gonna happen. Well that's all we got so if you're gonna eat anything you're gonna eat the chitlins. No sir I'm gonna take this carnation instant milk I'm gonna mix it with water and or if it's powdered milk I'm gonna mix it with water I'm gonna eat the Kellogg's frosted frights for as long as humanly possible. But what about the alligator turtle, the snapping turtle? Okay, it's gummy, you know, it's gummy, but it wasn't what we ate every day. Right. I mean, usually, remember, you know, we grew up in a time where we would grab a gun,

30, 30, 30 off six, shotgun, 22. And, you know, we we going hunting and granny would just be like be careful you know cuz she was like well they know how to handle a gun right you know and that's something that we that people I taught us how to handle a gun there's not a gun there is a long time so you understood what the power of that gun was even though he couldn't, he taught us how to shoot. Correct. And so, you know, usually, you know, ducks, rabbits, raccoons, squirrels. I remember one time when Arnel and Eugene first got there, 14th. Yeah. Man, we must have killed 400 squirrels.

I mean, man, we, we wiped them out. We wiped out a whole gaggle of squirrels. Had the gay warden knowing what we did. Boy, we'd be in jail still right now. We wiped out a whole gaggle of squirrels. Had the gay warden knowing what we did. Boy, we'd be in jail still right now. We wiped out a whole gaggle of squirrels. Yeah, yeah. But you know, the thing was is even to this day, I think I wonder if I could scan a raccoon.

And I'm like, absolutely. You hang it up. Yeah, upside it, split it. You just go around. Round the tail, yeah. You know, pulling it. You know, I could do that, you know, because. It's called, some people say dressing, we call it casing. Yes. You casing it out you know, I could do that, you know, because it's called, uh, some people say dressing. We call it a casing.

Yeah. You case it out. Yeah. Oh yeah. So, but, but once again, that was just the way of life. Right. The sleeping arrangement. You slept with Papa.

I slept with granny. When Papa passed, you still, you slept by yourself by myself, but we, you were, we're in the same room, the same room with granny. I Slept with granny then Papa passed you slept by yourself I didn't sleep by myself until I was 15 to you left right go to go to South Carolina. Mm-hmm And I tell people you had it the hardest because my grandfather wasn't a great sleeper and He would get up in the middle of the night Maybe he get up two o'clock three o'clock in the morning and he would say come on spank. And he would get up in the middle of the night, maybe he'd get up two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning

and he would say, come on, Spanky, and he would take you to the truck stop. No, he wouldn't. He would make me go with him to the truck stop. He wouldn't take me, it wasn't like a package deal. But that ain't the best part. The best part is, is he would order grits, eggs, bacon, toast, maybe some French toast.

And he would tell me, you ain't gonna get to eat this because you gonna eat cereal in the morning before you go to school. I just had to sit there and watch him eat, but he didn't wanna go by himself. Oh, how about this one? We used to wash his car. He would pay us $5 to wash his car and charge us three dollars to

take us to the score to spend it. That is absolutely. It's just, but, but it's just the way of life. Right. And so, you know, remember what a lot of people don't know. You probably don't know this. When he died, he fell over on the sofa on me. I called

Thurman. He had a heart attack fell over on the sofa on me at 13. 1230 at 13. I called Thurman. And, and Thurman called my uncle James and Uncle Thurman came down and got a Ruben King to come over and tried to rush him to Dublin, I think it was, the VA hospital in Dublin, and then he died a few days later. So you, you know, when I hear you talk about granny and, you know, justifiably so, remember, I spent the majority of my being able to move around work learning how to drive years with him. Yep, and and listening to him direct and tell and

Orchestrate me in a way to where I never I never looked at our lives as being Tragic or bad or sad. It was just a way of life. And guess what? Just like Nova King, just give it time, your lives will get better. It's just gonna take some time. Right.

What's your favorite story with Papa? I mean, serious or funny? The funniest story is when he had the 30, well, he made me go get the 30 out six because the Fox was like 20 yards away sitting in the road And he shot 400 times and the Fox was looking at him like well, who you shooting at? The hell was the funniest and he blamed me For the sight being off. He had a scope on and then handed me to 30 off six and one at 30 30 And one shot the fox fell over dead he

was like yeah you done did something to my gun no you just can't shoot i mean that was probably the funniest one but you know the thing was is not knowing like really anything about his life the fact that he was so well respected by everybody that came in contact with both white and black. And not knowing why that was, he would teach me with words. You remember, we would be riding, you know, maybe go up to Thurnales and we would get to play with Arnell and him and he and Thurnale and he just wanted to hang out. And he would see a car on the side of the road with four, you know, teenage guys and he would always say too many drivers and not enough fixes, you know, so he taught in riddles, so to speak.

And so for me, like when he taught me how to drive, he was just like, you don't see me do it, now follow me and don't hit anything. So I'm like, I'm trying to drive and I'm like. And when you watch someone drive, you see the steering wheel constantly move. So I'm back there like this and I'm like, and the truck is going like this

and he pulls over just just to curse me out and he's like boy you don't drive like that. I was like oh Lord I do I drive. So but there was so many things like watching him in church. You know when he went you know oh I'm gonna go buy such-and-such Frasier house cuz you know he need to I'm gonna go by such and such phrase your house because you know He need to come to church and be like no, I ain't leaving until you get in the truck you know Just the fact that he

He had a powerful voice He was very well respected and I never knew or understood why even to this day still don't know or understand why? But the fact that he commanded your attention when he spoke everybody was like this if you were I mean the thing is is his threats were real so when we would be in church and you know the best place to sleep is in church and I wish we had been in there for four hours. I wish I wish you would now he could nod off, but we couldn't. I mean, you know, those are the things I think in hindsight that I learned which helped shape and mold my development

of trying to be the man better than anyone else be a man better than anyone else did anything else. I agree. I think the thing is you had it the hardest because he was very very hard on you because you were the oldest and I remember him having I was the oldest boy boy but I remember him telling granny all the time she said she said Barney why are you so hard on him? He say Mary because that little one is gonna learn everything from him Yep, and he have to do it right he need named me spanky because he couldn't say Sterling it so He would always say spank that spank is always gonna be responsible for him

So I don't want that little if the big ones in jail The little ones gonna be in jail if the big ones in jail the little ones gonna be in jail if the big ones on drugs a little one don't be on drugs and I don't want eat that to happen to either one of them right but he never told me no that that I was responsible for you he never said that but he always would give me little like I spent more time with him and my uncle Thurman because my uncle Thurman his third oldest son worked together. So I spent more time with them and got a chance to watch their interaction and the thing was

is he was always in charge. Now you may not like it, you may not appreciate it, but he is always in charge. Now you may not like it, you may not appreciate it, but he is always in charge. And I like that. And I equated it to the only way to constantly be in charge is you got to have more information, you got to have more compassion, you got to have more love, you got to have more understanding about the world that you're in if you want to be in charge all the time. Right. And so I always love the fact that when it came time to voting 7,000, and I'm going to say this because I grew up in rural South Georgia, 7,000 white people would come by and talk to him about how he was going to vote because how he voted influenced how a lot of the black community out in rural South Georgia

voted. So the fact that he commanded a presence like that, the fact that if he had something that taught me, son, if you got something to say, say it. Right. There was a lot of times that I thought I had something to say and I didn't, but I learned over time that I got it. My voice is powerful. My daughter hated my voice growing up. I mean, I think I may have spanked some at once because my voice was enough. And it wasn't, you know, hey, it was just what are we doing? And that was enough. And so I think a lot of subliminally, I learned a lot of, I mean, in the family things. I'm more like him than he was I'm more like our grandfather than anybody any of us because I spent the most time with him because of

Little things that you know making me get up to go to the truck stop with him So he could eat breakfast because he didn't want to go alone, right, you know the thing was is We had we had to string his fishing poles. We had to do his rods and reel. We had what about the bait? We had we had the worst probably the worst beating he ever gave you. And I say this in all is my we went out and we found a smorgasbord of worms. No, I found the smorgasbord of worms. Now let me tell the story my way. We found a smorgasbord of worms and my brother's got this coffee can it's about like this and it is glowing with dirt and worms. My grandma ain't she don't have any worms. So she said

she went to work that day. She says, son bring me some of them worms. So she said she wouldn't work that day. She says, son, bring me some of them worms. He says no, these my granny. I want them do these. I mean, dang Barney that boy that won't give me none of his bait. What? We ain't catch a thing that day cuz all that yelling you were doing scared off all them fish. He beat the brakes off you bro. But but that that but he really you know after his I want to say the first heart attack that was the first heart attack because the second heart wait wait no

the second heart attack he was down at the thing. No, that was the first one. At the... Because the one he fell over on me was the third. Yeah, at the house. That was at the house, but Mary Nell, the one that found him down the road at the shop where we used to go skateboarding. Skateboard, yes.

And so we had to string, we had to carry, how about getting in the boat with him? So we had to string, we had to carry, how about getting in the boat with him? I mean, he got in a boat and you know, you gotta be, you know, boat gotta be balanced. He got in there like he walking on land and you were sitting in there cause, you know, we all learned how to swim, throw you in the clay hole. Bubbles and whatnot, you know,

and I almost drowned because I didn't know how to swim at the state park. Yeah. But you know, for for being around Papa all the time that I did, I think I learned so much subliminally by watching and seeing the interaction of, you know, his best friend was was a guy named Virgil Wiggins. Yep. And Virgil Wiggins could do no wrong. And could nobody talk about him butins. Yep, and Virgil Wiggins could do no wrong And could nobody talk about him but him right? He was the only one that could say something negative about Virgil Wiggins. He was the you know We don't I don't we don't i'll say we we ain't big on going to somebody's house

We you know, we ain't big ever have still to this day. Yeah, never ain't big on going to somebody's house And I think we got that from him and the only house he would go to other than his you know his kids was Virgil Wiggins. I think Rainey is more more don't go to people house. Well we definitely got that from them because we ain't all about going over and definitely spend the night going over and be like yeah I wasn't no I ain't in the neighborhood at your house. If I'm coming to your house, you either owe me money or I'm borrowing something. That's about it. You know, back then, I can't recall the time and I told you, I can remember

Papa died in 77. I was about to turn I was about to turn nine. He died in February. So I was eight at the time. And every time everything he's ever said in my presence, I can remember. I don't remember him ever saying that I love you. But the one thing I do know is that he didn't play all them jokes and that. Kiki never saw him laugh, really. Never really saw him all that. Kiki and in that joke, because I remember I remember. I'm not going to call the guy's name. He made a joke about my grandfather's teeth. Mm-hmm, and my grandfather was pulling off

My grandfather put the car in the car. He reversed it put the car in park and he got out He said I don't play He said I'm old enough to be your dad He said I don't do that joking But the times were different too. Yeah. I mean. But men didn't play back then, Spade. But parents and grandparents weren't your friends. No.

Ants and uncles weren't your friends. Absolutely not. And I think now because of how the dynamic is because. Some of the ages got closed. Yeah, but the thing was is, and I tell people this all the time when I speak publicly is we were apprentices. We were never gonna get the approval until we were doing whatever it was, cutting the grass.

We had to cut it, like he cut it. I go left to right. We may wanna start down here and just run, go. No, I cut it left to right. So you got to cut it left to right. So I you know, the times in the people were different. The you know, growing up in a time where men were men and women were women. And I'm like, that's why I never learned to cook because you weren't learning in Mary Porter's kitchen. That wasn't gonna happen. Because if she

found you in the kitchen, and she asked you, you weren't learning in Mary Porter's kitchen. That wasn't gonna happen, because if she found you in the kitchen and she asked you, you weren't gonna, there was no singing at the table. My Aunt Gladys taught us that. There ain't no singing at the table. It's your thing. Remember that? So you can't sing at the table. You ain't talking at the table.

And if you in the kitchen, you either walking through it or you eat. And that's just the way it was. Right. When Papa passed, did you feel like you needed to step up because now you're the dominant male figure that I'm gonna see every single day? Did you felt or did you felt he had prepared you

for that role and that was just a natural progression? When Papa died was the best day of my life. When Granny met us to tell us that he remember he was in the hospital, he died in the hospital. Yep. When granny walked out, we got off the bus and granny met us. She said, boys, your grandfather is gone. Best day of my life because I was going to get to do what I wanted, always wanted to do. I was going to get to play football. Yep. I learned this from an older gentleman because he would always ask me about the best, you know, I learned grow up. What's the best day of your life?

I go my grandfather died. Best day of my life. The man who took us in, raised us, formulated who I am. Best day of my life. Well, what's the worst day of your life? Same day. But I've learned in my years that he had probably given me everything that he could give me and it was okay for him to leave. Because when he died, I got a chance to play football. The very next year, he died in February, the very next year I started playing football. And the rest of course is history and and god willing I find myself in the pro football hall of fame. Barney Porter is definitely one of the men that and once again you have to learn to follow before you can lead that I followed not knowing where I was going and I never looked at... I know that I wanted to be the best I could be,-level speed, seamless streaming, and performance that won't quit.

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Listen to San Diego FC Behind the Flow, now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Unless that Papa had died because you said something I saw on one of your segments in your podcast, that you wish Papa and Daddy could see what we turned out to be. If Barney Party doesn't die, then I don't get to play football because I'm the oldest guy in the house. I'm with him. So I'm still riding the tractor, planting whatever will grow and harvesting that. You as the baby might have, but I don't get that opportunity. So selfishly it worked out great for me. Selfish man let me tell you I used the same

words phrases mannerism actions reactions that I saw in 73 74 76 that he used back then if you could talk to him today what would you tell me? I really wish you would have let me eat a couple times at that time. Had to truck stop. Cause boy I was sitting there salivating going man pancakes but just like you see on TV in a commercial and I would just sit there and he had orange juice, he had coffee. Yeah. Yeah you don't want none of this cause you gonna have some cereal when we get back to the house before you go to school. No, I honestly do not know because there is not much you can say to someone that you're

just like. There is not much that you want to say to someone that you're just like. Because think about it, you started, you started chewing tobacco. You smoke cigars because he was a big chew tobacco. He smoked cigars. He wore hats. A lot of your, your mannerisms today are here. Are him. Yes. And, and, and, and, and don't, don't lose sight of this. I'm older now than he was when he died. And so, yeah, I inherited a lot of who he was,

what he stood for, what he said. I remember, there's a lot of things you might get away with. You weren't gonna have Barney Porter late. You wanna get on my bad side, be late. Where you get that from, George? Be late. Let me tell you, we ain't gonna be late. And that, you know, and if I tell you I'm going to, that's happening. Yeah. That's as good as gold. You can put it in the bank. Yeah. I got that from him. Yeah. His word was, as they say nowadays, his word was born. Yeah, if he told you he was going to do or be, you can count on

them. Best believe it. Yes. And and I inherited Harold Green, one of my best friends. We almost had a falling out. Because he was late. And he like we going to play golf and he like. Bro, you can't be like that. That is like an absolute no, no, bro. That that you can fry egg on my head if you're going to be late. Yeah, I mean, we got it from both. Yeah, we ran into that same.

We're not going to be like this. And if you say you're going to do something to it. Yeah. And a lot of people's word is no good. It's how did Uncle Thurman used to say it? Man, they word like pie crust, easily broken. The end of these would break. And so the old school way that we grew up, and I'll say I grew up, man definitely formulated

and impacted my life in a way that allowed me. I never did anything for public consumption. The only competitor, the only competition I ever had in my life was you. I cut the grass. Oh, it was a race. Took me 16 minutes to cut the grass. It was a race. It was. Hey, bro. I fed the hogs, the chickens, and Ringo. 12 minutes. That's the only competition I ever had. Going out, I remember people going, you know, comparing me to other receivers and I would just laugh because I'm like, y'all don't understand. I'm doing what I want to do. This

is my ceiling. I'm playing. Not making a Pro Bowl, not being an All-Pro. My ceiling is playing in the NFL. I remember, and I say a lot of the best things that ever happened to me, I was with you. When I signed my scholarship, you in the background, jeez, you know, I'm like, I don't know why he's so happy. I'm like, I don't know why he's so happy. When I got drafted, when the call came in, which I'm gonna sell you all this, but don't

tell him I'm telling you. So when Buddy Geist called me to tell me that the Green Bay Packers were going to take me at number seven, my brother yells out in the background, dang, man, you ain't gonna ever be on TV. I was so happy because I went to a place that I could concentrate on playing football. And so to me, you know, I'll look, you know, I remember you two real poignant things in my life. We went to this quote unquote restaurant in Columbia.

My brother wanted to try quote unquote restaurant in Columbia. My brother wanted to try it and it almost killed. So I ain't been back at that restaurant since. And the first game my brother came to was probably minus 12. Minnesota. In Green Bay. Yep.

And I thought that almost killed him because he went, got in bed and the next time I talked to him was we were at the airport he was like but you know so Man, I just got you know tremendous memories of what Barney Porter gave us You know gave us life health gave us what he had what he could More importantly he gave us wisdom and knowledge that we weren't going to get anywhere.

Right. I tell the story, yeah, everybody knows who you and I are. But the person that had the hardest job was Buck. Because. When Buck came, we all came, she's five years older than you, she's eight years older than Libby. five years older than you. She's eight years older than Libby. Eight years older than I. And when we came in 1970 for good, she never left. Correct. And in order for me and you can speak for you, in order for me to function

at the highest rate that I knew I possibly could, I needed to know Granny was going to be OK. And I know Libby being there, you know, Libby could do no wrong in Granny's eyes. How important... You could do no wrong in Granny's eyes either, but go ahead with your story. But go ahead, I mean, go ahead with your story. As I got little, did it, got in the bed,

well, Libby could do no wrong for the time that we I got grown You know, I left to go into Savannah State and I come back and Libby had replaced me. How important was a book To you see I have never been able to separate the dynamic of Mary and Barney Mm-hmm. So Mary and Barney are here, right and then it's all of us, right? So Mary and Barney are here. Right. And then it's all of us. Right.

So there is no, well, Shannon being the youngest is least important. And you know, Shermodyne or Gladys or Aunt Jane are more important. We were, it was them. And then it was all of us. Right. And we were here. And what Libby did was. Don't do that. Don't say that.

Get it done. You know, when when Papa would say, hey, somebody need to take out a thread. Was our first induction into. Being a foreman. He OK, you take it out Monday, you take it out Tuesday. first induction into being a foreman. Okay, you take it out Monday. You take it out Tuesday. So now we delegate. Boy, that grass out there is getting kind of long.

You cut it on this week. Saturday. I'll cut it. I'll cut it next week. So I don't look at Libby as an extension of those two. Right. I look at Libby as one of us. Right. That just happened to be five years older. Right. I think that's the difference because all the things that a mother would do, Libby did, helped me tie my shoe, my my report card help me with my homework even though she do very well on the homework part. He was a terrible teacher he had no patience. He couldn't get in prison with his grades. Libby was a terrible teacher man she had no patience.

How you spell this word? Dome daddy how you feel it. She didn't have any patience because he was too busy being fun. His entire existence is about a joke. He gonna find the funny part in it and he gonna exploit that and he gonna keep it going. He don't care how many people join in on the joke. He gonna keep it going. I don't care. many people join in on the joke. He gonna keep it going. I don't care. I don't care. Yeah, he gonna, it's gonna be funny.

But you know, the thing was is that, you know, she took a lot of responsibility because you, I mean, she would take, you know, take us, you know, school clothes shopping. She take you to, take you to Statesboro, leave me at school until I found out. You know, y'all made the mistake one time. You couldn't go with us because, you know, it was the adults man, they and Libby

was going, we go to Dairy Queen, get the big burger. You know, we were living, we were living a dream. We ain't had the responsibility of worried about the dude, you know, cause you know, granny was more like, okay, y'all go to Statesboro and come right back. Yeah. There ain't no detour getting food and all that. So we could go go get the clothes swing by Dairy Queen and enjoy the best choice burgers and shakes. Because when we weren't gonna tell this dude can no

water. If you did it, oh my god, and he would hold oh remember y'all went to Dairy Queen You went to Dairy Queen too. Yeah, but granny told y'all not to go. I was just in the truck Yeah, I was snitch. I blackmail people cuz I know when people got kicked out of school I hear to the door to hear my aunt's talking so much got suspended. I got some oh I hear to the door to hear my aunt's talking, somebody got suspended. I got, oh. He was all about the information. Yeah, yeah, you had to pay.

They had, you had to pay up. You had to. People don't believe this, that we've never, you and I, have never slept over at someone's home. No. And we've never had friends sleep over at ours. No.

Like, I think the first time at my house that someone stayed was you and Harold. The year y'all came out of the draft, and we all trained together. And y'all stayed with me. But no. Until this day I don't do it um it's just it's it's comfort for us I mean we sleep with fans yes all of us me you Libby we sleep with fans yep um Susan Somers sleep with fans um I just think it's a comfort thing

that this is what I like and what I need and I don't want to we are all About in our comfort staying out of your way and what you need right? They ain't a bad thing. That's just the nature of the beast I Did become envious because You got the good clothes man. I had to wear hand-me-downs. I had to wear Libby clothes. Okay, listen what let's walk this thing back When when papa died and we started working for the Tatum brother? Yep I had to wear hand-me-downs. I had to wear Libby clothes. Okay, let's walk this thing back. When Papa died and we started working for the Tatum Brothers, and you were making your $6 a day, so we working five times a day.

Hold on, hold on, guys, see? Stop! You making your $6 a day, working Monday through Friday. So six times five is 30. Yeah. Where would the bulk of your money go? Cornerstone. Okay, so sometimes for lunch, we didn't go home and eat lunch. We would just stay in the field, take an hour break.

So yeah, bring me a Coke and some chips. Coke, some peanuts. Coke, maybe a honey bun. Junior here, oh give me two honey buns, two sodas, and so all his money is gone. We working because now I'm playing sports so in order to have football, basketball or track shoes, I'm paying. In order for him to have football, basketball, track shoes, I'm paying. So I got to choose my spending carefully. So when my grandma found out he was making $6 a day, she was like, oh, Lord, that's y'all paying him too much. No, granny. He's thirty dollars for the weekend.

So he didn't he couldn't get the quote unquote, but he always wanted the best of the best, which I loved about him. And it was so I'm gonna gonna fast forward when I got money, regardless of what he would have turned out to be, whatever he wanted, if he would have been a trash man, he'd have been a trash man living in a 10,000 square foot house. I would have made sure that he'd have been a trash man driving a Mercedes. I would have made sure he had a Mercedes in college before I had one because he was my

little brother. So when he tries to be, I was envious that you had all You work like we work. You just ate your making $16 a day I was making you ate yours and honey bars and soda And and and we were saving ours because we were living down the line and you were living for the day I think that well the thing was is that my grandmother, we were making $5 a day. And by me and Lanny, he's two years older than me.

Lanny is two years older than me. Spank's three years older than me. Eugene's six years older than me. Arnel's seven years older than me. And Libby's eight years older than me. And so I let Lanny talk me into asking Mr. Joe for a raise. I said, Mr. Joe, man, we be working hard. This is a good one.

I said, man, me and Lanny, man, me and Lanny be working hard. Let me refill my glass. He called my name, Mr. Joe, they called me Peewee. Yeah, that's right. Cause I was so small. Peewee and Sundown. They called him Sundown because he's like, man,

it's time to knock off,. The Sun going down at 230 So that was in there so P went sundown so I let landy talk me and say man man You need to ask mr. Joe for a raise man. So I say mr. Joe man me and landy be working hard man We'd be carrying our own road. We'd be walking behind the tobacco picker. He said I say man we need a raise He said well P we how much you think y'all I mean I'm like I just throw out a number cuz I knew he's gonna say No, I say man. I think a dollar. I say a dollar. He's okay peewee. I'll pay you extra dollar a day Man, I was so I said it landed heard him too. Man. We do not the rest of the day Too lazy as individuals to ever work the field.

So Libby come home, blabbermouth, come home, Granny, all them boys do is play in the field. They don't do nothing else but play. And Mr. Jones them gave them a raise. Granny ain't say nothing. So the next morning, Granny don't go to work. She come out there on the porch. Joe, hey Mary, how you doing?

I'm good. She say, Joe, I heard you gave them boys a raise. He's like, yeah, Mary, they be working hard. They make it, I gave them a dollar raise. She say, take it back. Six dollars. She say, take it back, cause Libby told me they don't do nothing but play. Mm-hmm. He took it back. Mm-hmm Which y'all did play

That's all y'all did was play but you know the thing was is Just like we had to learn because you know you walk behind the picker Then you become a picker then you become you know, you walk behind the picker, then you become a picker, then you become, you know, working for Mr. Joe, you become a stacker and then you go from stack in the drive and you hang you or hang it. Yeah. And then you go for walk behind the picker to pick in the back.

Then you then you hang and then if you you work, you get to work in the barn. Well, well, well, the thing about hanging for Mr. Joe was remember I, you know, Mr. Oris Easton used to put the tobacco in the rack in the rack and then spend the table and then I would put the clamp on it and then put it in the trailer by myself. Yeah. And so there was an elevation and y'all was not all about being on the elevation part.

That walk. It made that guy tired of walking, man. Sometimes, hey, they be coming back, hey, me and Landon be sitting down there throwing rocks and they coming back the other way. We ain't following. But you know, you bring up something about working in the field though,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. For the snake. Nah, you can go with that. And how many times did we catch rabbits with our bare hands? Oh, that was that was the thing. I'm like, I'm like, quickness. We had that from 21 Jump Street. We would catch rabbits with our hands.

I would just pray and let Lord please let there be a skunk tomorrow. So he can stay on the field and we can knock off early. Yeah. You know, or or or have a hurricane or tornado come through, knock all the leaves off, and you have to work on Sunday. You know, and the only thing is, is it's gotta be done. It's going to be done. So, you know, I learned to not complain about those things,

but yeah, man, you and Lanny, you know, the way we grew up though, man, but we were just so thankful that we were working for someone because all the years we worked for Papa, we never got paid, cause he was like, I'm feeding you, and I got a roof over your head and I'm clothing you so it don't make sense for me to pay you. His logic, not ours, but that's what we did. Yeah, you know, hey, that's what we did. You work. I mean, he was paying me. I couldn't do it. He's like, I'm gonna give you a dollar to stay out of the way. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.

I wanted to do something. Like I said, I was the youngest by three years. I mean, Lanny and I was like, man, I could do something. And I never forget that day that Mr. Joe came by and said, Barney, what about a you know, such a such? And then we all could pop had already told us that, uh, Joe Tate don't come by tomorrow.

And he said, I want everything big enough to stop syrup to hit that truck. So I remember saying everybody had got up and got on the back of the truck. And I was sitting there next to Papa and Mr. Joe said, well, Barney, what about that little one? I've been, I couldn't have been no more than five, six tops. He's a, uh, Barney, what about that little one? He's a, I don't know, Joe. He too small. He said, Barney, I find something for him to do. I'm the porch. I'm the porch. I'm the good old days.

Speaking of work though, but I tell people all the time cause they like to equate playing football with work. And I said, now working work that work playing football lifting running in the summer that ain't work. Work is when you got your shirt off. And you look in as far as you can see you see tobacco plants. And you got a handful of arsenic and sand because you walk in dropping budworm poison.

Work is when you, when Mr. Ali Mensah comes by and gets you and you got your shirt off and all you see is 720 bales of hay and you, it's 16,000 degrees out and you gotta throw the hay on the truck because once you load the truck, you gotta unload the truck. That's work. Work is when you are in a tobacco field and blue jeans and a long sleeve shirt with an undershirt and it's seventeen thousand

degrees and you in that field. You see the waves of the heat you in the field from seven until that barn is full That's work Playing football. They work. No, that is lifting weights. Ain't work running. That ain't work Do you do you remember chicago? No because uh What I remember about chicago is Two friends I had in a neighborhood next next door neighbors were Troy and Dee Dee.

I remember their names. I can't pick out their faces. Right. I remember flipping you over in your in the stroller and getting the brakes beaked off me one time. That's kind of the only memory I have of Chicago. Yeah, because when I don't remember being there, you know, I don't remember you remember the house. I don't remember, you know,

yeah, whether we had steps or I don't remember any of it. No, because you were granny came and got me. She said the bar and I'm going to get that boy she's in he said, bring spanky back. So I was three months when she came when they came and got me. She said, Barney, I'm going to get that boy. She's in. He said, bring spanky back. So I was three months when she came when they came and got me. I would have been three. Yes. And when daddy came and got me back, I was seven months. We went back. And then I came back. We were two. You were five. Five. Libby was 10. Don't remember. No, I don't remember a whole lot. No. I already know the answer to this for my part.

If we grew up in Chicago, are we here? No. And I'm gonna say no because of all we got in Georgia. Yes. All we got from Marion Barney. Yes. All we got from Arnell, Eugene, Lanny, Robbie, Bernard, Chris, our cousins. All we got from Thurnell, our uncle, Th, Bernard, Chris, our cousins,

all we got from Thurnell, our uncle Thurman, James, all we got from Mary Nell, Gladys, Shermedean, Jane. No, we ain't here. You know, and the reason why we're not here, and I tell people this while I still stand in the south, I like knowing. I knew when people didn't like you or me because of the color of my skin.

I knew when people would say, you know, I don't care what you do, you're never gonna be successful in college. You're not gonna make it. I like knowing that. That's not motivation. I just like knowing. You know, I like knowing that I got to do this for me

because there is no way I can do this for you, because you don't want me to do it, and you don't believe that I can do it. So the thing that I got from Glenville was I got love, I got friendship, Calvin, Lamont, Jesse, Reggie King, I got William Hall as a coach, I got Buddy McCall as a coach, I got William Hall as a coach, I got Buddy McCall as a coach, I got Earl Rogers as a coach.

Man, I got to be able to play sports and not be dominant, but learn how to dominate. I got to play sports and I got to learn how to play, how to be okay with being the best player on the team and still being here. I got to learn to be in athletics and to operate in a way that while I would love to score 30 or while I would love to run for 150, man, if I could hit Pat on the slant or if I could get Devon Durant's, you

know, downhill on this lead or if I can get the pitch out fast enough to Gary Levan, it's gonna be alright, you know, we got a chance. So, I got to learn and develop how to be a player in Glenville. What was it about Glenville? Because as we talked about earlier, and we're the first two brothers in the Flow Football Hall of Fame, and when you and I were growing up,

it's two stoplights, it's still two stoplights to this day. There were three. No, no, no, wait, wait. There's one in Midtown. There three now? There's a caution light. Yeah. There ain't a stoplight. It's the one coming in.

You know how we were coming to Glenville from the one that reads bill from Reesville is a caution. Yeah, stop like yeah, that's what we made that left in the town. That's right. Okay, so that's a caution line and then the one in the center of town is stoplight and then the one right down used to be by the behind me lipsy.

There's another guy's right down by the pharmacy. Yeah. Okay, so you're right. Go ahead. That's way too many stoplights by the way. 35. I mean, it's probably more people there now but when you and I were there, it's like 3500. What is it about Glenville that allowed us to prosper to to flourish and less it's the act of shooting. You aim small, you miss small.

For us, I'm not going to talk for you. For me, all I wanted to do was play football. I remember, you know, who taught me how to put the pads because remember in your football pants, you had the little, the thing where you slide your pads in. You know who taught me? Hank, Hank taught me how to put my, Lawrence Hankerson taught me how to put pads in my pants. The first time I ever touched the football or organized football, remember what it was, kickoff?

I ran it back for a touchdown. But you picked the ball up before you got to the end zone. 15 yard penalty re-kick. Coach, y'all say all y'all gonna do is make it run it back further. Ran it back again for a touchdown. So what Glenville provided for me was an opportunity to have no clue what I was doing, but to do that very well. Right.

So I had no clue what being a star or a great player or, but you know what? Great game. Nice play. No clue what being a star or a great player or but you know what? Great game. Nice play. So I got a chance to learn and grow. Remember how I got to be quarterback? I wasn't a quarterback. I went, hey, I'm running back. I'm a corner. I'm running back. That's where I want to be.

Remember how I got to be quarterback? Jess caught Mono and Coach McCall was like, hey, I want you running back. That's where I want to be remember how I got to be quarterback. Jess caught mono Mm-hmm and coach McCall was like hey, I want you in spring. I want you to go with the quarterbacks like wait wait what? That's how I got to be a quarterback If I'm not mistaken was that the first quarterback in Glenville high school or was it Petey? probably Cuz I don't. Taylor. So you looking at a growth and development that's organic that

can't nobody tell you how to do it. You learn and I think Glenville gave us the opportunity or gave me the opportunity to learn and grow at a pace that was comfortable for me. Right. So I wasn't in a hurry and I wasn't behind. So what I got in Glenville served me very well going to the University of South Carolina. Right. We work for the portrait and people find it so hard to believe and I don't know why. Because you don't see it.

You've never done it. Go ahead. I know where you're going but go ahead. The when I tell people we caught a thousand chickens. No, no, no, no. No, it's a thousand dollars a thousand. No, no, no, no, no, thousand thousand but we call the most we ever caught was sixteen thousand. That was the most chickens we ever caught but we normally did. We normally did twelve. I we range. Well, it was pretty well every time we get that sixteen. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, and we were what they call the sea crew

We were smiling all of us was it were all cousins. Yeah, okay Yeah, and most of us was it was in school aren't l Eugene Lanny me and you yeah, sometimes Robbie Bernard But they had the big crew that would catch 3040,000 and you worked from Sunday to Thursday because nobody worked on Friday, nobody worked on Saturday because the portion was closed on Saturday and Sunday. And so we would pick tobacco.

Working for the Tatum. Working for the Tatums. Yep. That was five to $6, $5 for me. It was 16 for me, but go ahead. And then we would go check cash chicken anywhere between 8 to 12 But now you can't catch chickens during the day. You got to catch them at night. You got to catch them at night

so we get picked up at 10 30 11 o'clock and You know, usually the farthest we went was an hour ride, right? You know, we go over to back to the black share like yeah So our ride and then we when you catch chickens you had a catcher We were carriers. So ride. And then we when you catch chickens, you had a catcher. We were carriers. So we were praying that it was six. So you carry in three and three, because when you got that four and three, three, oh, Lord, but it but it was $1 1000. So if it

was 16,000, you may $16 if it was 13,000, we made 13,000. Right. And there ain't no time limit. You leave when the last chicken is gone. And so, yeah, so we done worked from seven until about five. We eat and now we're waiting for it to get dark for James or Earl to pick us up. We go and catch chickens. We do that for at least two, two and a half hours.

We get back, let's say you get back at midnight, one o'clock, just so you could, because remember now you've been in the chicken house. Yeah. Dust, you got to get that off you. So that's another hour. Yeah, got to get that off you. That's another hour, hour and a half. So you can get in bed just to get up and get on the truck with Mr. Joe in the morning again at seven. And people don't realize this that we did this while we go into school also. Go to school, play football, go to practice, yep, come home at 536 each. Do homework. I did homework. I did. I did. I don't like to talk about other people. I did homework. Do homework. Wait till it get dark. Get on the chicken truck. Drive 35, 45 hour. Catch chickens. Come back home just to get up the next morning to do it again. Because if we wanted a pair, you know,

two pair of running shoes and track, we had to pay for it. Yep. You know, granny was like, hey, son, how much money you got saved? Well, no bank for us. Yeah, it's under the mattress. Yep. How much money you got saved? Oh, granny, I got, you know, $140. Let me borrow. Now give me. Let me borrow 20. So I can, you know, keep the lights on or let me get 40 from you so we can pay for gas for heat. So because back then it was protein. It was protein. Yeah. And if I had spent whatever on Yeah. And if I had spent whatever on basketball shoes, then we moved the heater over and we got to use the fireplace for heat. Sometimes heat and light. So yeah, it was, you know,

just the way we grew up. I don't do it so much now, but I used to tell kids and when I do, I still do when I go to go speak in appearance appearances and I tell people I see kids make sure your kids have a lot of jobs while they're kids because they let them know what they don't want to do. I'll agree with you to this point because my my daughter's had one job and she's been on this job for about eight years, nine years. But my daughter's like me. You don't have to tell her because she's a lot like you. She's always watching and she's processing. and so I learned That how we grew up and what was done to and for us is

Different. Oh, yeah for sure for her. Mm-hmm only because When she's a girl, she's smart as hell. She's six feet tall She's extremely athletic, but she's a girl. So sports are out of the question, because you can't be sweating with the hair with your girl. So that's out of the question. But I learned that, you know what? And I learned this through all our years. You know, when we were coming up in the church,

the thing is, we weren't just coming up in the church. We were participants, you know, and I learned biblically that in our spirit, if you just shut up and pay attention, it'll guide you and put you in places that you never thought you'd be. And it has a way of putting you exactly where you're supposed to be the moment you're supposed to be there. And so I learned that the way I grew up, I could not raise my kid that way. Yeah.

I learned that. And I'm glad I learned that. And I tell people all the time, hey, look, it's your kid. You graze them anyway. But I also tell them, this is my life. So just because you think I'm an asshole, because I won't give you an autograph or a picture, understand this. I tell my kid know, how hard do you think it is to tell your kid? No, right.

I look forward to telling your kid. No, it's easy. So you know, I try not to contrast and compare only because this is my life. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Right. You're gonna get what you need from it based on how you are around me. And if you're not gonna get anything from me, there's a good chance you're not gonna be around me.

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