Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - T-Pain Part 2

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

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I made some money from buy your drink. You made some money, but not the money you should have made or could have made? I made some money because I was paying homage. Okay. And I thought that paying homage would have been cool, which it was at first. So when I did I'm gonna buy you a drink Then I'm gonna take you home with me

I got money in the bank As soon as I said money in the bank That's when Little Scrappy came in It was like Okay well he said a line for my song Because he Little Scrappy had the song at the time I got money in the bank

Shawdy what you think I got money in the bank Yeah And then I started what you think about that I'll be in a great God like we in a bed night So At the beginning of the song

when I say, snap your fingers, do your steps. Yeah, that's look. You can do it all by you. Then little John came in. It was like, well, since this song is doing well, I don't mind if I do, head-ass. So, you know, no, it was one of the things that was like, I thought I was paying homage. And then the people that could take advantage of it, they take advantage of it. But the thing was, they take advantage of the publishing and the master of it.

um so while they were making eight cents every three months i was making a hundred grand a night off of performing it like i'm like okay whatever you want be greedy but you're not going to get what i'm doing so do you think i mean it still loves all the to all of them and i don't think it was them either i don't think it was a little scrappy doing it and i don't think it was little john doing it obviously there were publishing companies right that were coming for this stuff and little john probably still don't know that we went through that whole other thing. So, um, you know, it was a, it was a moment in life that I was like, oh. So this is how? Thank my brothers. Like everybody that didn't call me their brothers and everybody

didn't say it all this. Maybe it's not. But I understand now as a grown up that maybe it wasn't them. And, you know, nobody's ever said anything to me. I've seen Scrappy numerous times. I've seen Little John a thousand times and nobody's like ever bought it up like Was that a very hard lesson for you to learn? No, not really. Oh, it was only a lesson for me to learn to where I was like, oh, they're not taking

all the money from this record. They're taking the publishing and the masters from it but I'm always going to make money from doing that record. Right. You know, and there's nothing that anybody can do to stop me from making the auxiliary money from their record. So it's not going to be a publishing or a master thing. When I perform that song, you can't take any of that.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And you don't know how, not only do you not know how much I'm charging for that song, but, I mean, if you knew how much I was getting off of that song, 20 years after you tried to take the money from it, Oh, you shit out of your dick. Club husband. It blew up on TikTok.

But it's three, it's been so long. It's been a while you released. It's like two three, two, three years ago. Yeah. I mean, were you surprised like, damn. Hold on, I released this song two, three years ago. And now it's blowing up. I hated it.

You hated it. I hate it. I hate that was the worst. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? Can you imagine, like, trying to put it in terms that you can, you can understand. Can you imagine the chick so hard. Damn.

That what? You give it too little sports turn. What about if I, I'm going, I don't know sports enough to know this. I know. Imagine the chick so hard. And you put all your, you put all your hip into it. All both replacements. You put me.

You put everything into it. Yeah. And she was just like, all right, good stuff. See you, see you next time. And then she don't call you back. Oh, she ghost you? And then two years later, you hear from somebody else that, hey, remember that chick you like three years ago? She said that was the best time she ever had.

What? It's one of those. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that'd hurt. That a hurt. Why didn't you say it? Yes. Why didn't you say it?

You should have said that. You know how much pow wow put into that into making sure you had a good time and you didn't say nothing and now you want to have the good time? Hey, by the way, she says she wants to get back up with you and do it all again.

No, I don't know. No, I don't move down. I'm okay. You know what I'm going to move on? So, you know, I'll just be asked. So is that a new way? Is that a new way because I see a lot of times songs are becoming popular on TikTok

before they become popular mainstream? Is that kind of highest thing going playing? I hope not, man. it takes so much time to make these songs and do all this stuff and actually put time and work into this shit and then if somebody just posted on TikTok it gets more famous than because keep in mind the reason that it got famous on TikTok was because I was making it on my stream right but I was playing the acapella in order to make a dubstep version of it because I gave up on trying to release the regular version

you know what I'm saying so when I gave up on making the regular version a thing that's when it popped and it wasn't like a it wasn't like a extended version or anything like that and then and then and then oh my god then the person that leaked it came on my stream weeks later and was like Hey, you need to put me on your team because apparently I'm really good at reviving your career and I can make you money. That man said that on your screen. This niggins said, hey, I stole your shit

and made money off of it so you need to give me money now. What? So now, hey, I'm really good at knowing when you need to be good at stuff. So I just steal the content that you're doing and I'll put that content out and that's going to make me money so you need to give me money

for doing that. Wow. What the, do you imagine pumping all that sauce into a and then she don't say nothing? Can we get sports? You don't know anything about sports? I know a little bit.

I'd rather do this. I'd rather do the analogy. Lord, how much. How do it feel you because they're this young chopped and skewered. Drea Michelle

did a, I think she did a feed. There's a bunch. Yeah, because Jalen Green thought it was a new song. Right, yeah. But obviously when you made that song, he probably was a couple of months old. So you must understand. But now you got a new

generation that's discovering. Right, exactly. Now imagine yes. Pumping all that sauce into a dish. Lord out mercy. I did catch a bunch of touchdown, play. I caught a bunch of touchdown.

You're supposed to? I scored a bunch of points of high school basketball. Nope, it was just the one video. Nope, you did nothing else. The whole beginning of your life. Damn! It was just the one video, that's it. That's it.

That's it. now imagine all that shit you did all them all them passes all that shit but this is like oh shannon from the from the video yeah that's how you know unfortunately some people does it yeah you see what what I'm saying hey somebody with the pants yeah okay yeah I know I know I know he's talking about not the nope not the another not the whole career nope just the pants just the The 20th anniversary. Yeah, yeah. Rap, turn, singer.

Oh, my God. What have you learned about this business in 20 years? Nobody is your brother. Nobody. Come on, Payne. Don't do that. Nobody. Payne, could I hear it?

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That's my brother. I hear it pain. You've seen. So many dicks in that locker room. None of them is your brother. Come on, Pay. Nobody is your brother. Everybody's your brother while they can use you.

Everybody. Everybody is your brother while they can use you. Nobody is your fucking brother. That is the quickest and the most consistent thing that I've learned through this whole thing. You had to learn that the hard way? Everybody. Everybody. And you're not.

know what it's only that say you my brother that i'm telling just like that yeah because you wouldn't allow you wouldn't allow somebody that didn't say that to get close to you yeah you would yeah you would i'd rather you tell me what the business was and not have the brother aspect in there and just say hey look here's what i want to do here's what we're going to do we're going to do a hook we're going to i'm going to put a verse on this shit we're going to make a bunch of money I'm gonna separate for a little bit and I'm gonna come back when I need you again

let's do it again I'd rather know the plan than to say you my brother you my brother you my brother we're always gonna be together we ain't gonna never we ain't gonna never separate

anytime you need me I'm here for you anytime you need me bum bum bum bub nah bro it's that brother shit nobody is your brother I've had

DJ Callet everybody then told me I'm your brother. Do not believe that shit. Lord, that mercy came. That is the, that is the, that is the, man.

You know you're going to get me in trouble, man. You're going to get us in trouble. What you're going to get us in trouble. All that, but I mean, but no, I mean, when I say, when I say, when I say, when I say, when I say, like DJ Keller, it's very apparent. Yeah. Like DJ Kelly knows how to move.

He knows how to, you know, things with different people and shit like that. But it's like, it's not a DJ Callet type of thing that's just the first person I can think of

but we're talking about so many people because you gotta think of how many people I've helped throughout their career everybody is like oh my God

thank you so much you're my brother and it's just so much of that back to back back to back back to back you're my brother

you're my brother you're my brother and then none of that shit was reciprocated none of that shit came back none of that shit meant anything

When people start, when people tell you how much you mean to them, don't grab onto that. When people tell you how much they can mean to you in return, the shit you gravitate towards. Damn. When when there's people on your team and sometimes

like I love telling people that they're about to get a raise. You know what I mean? So I love going to my team and like hey, I'm about to get your race. And when somebody says, thank you man. I appreciate it. Yeah. It's like

okay, this is probably going to be your last race. But when I go to somebody and I say, yo, you about to get a raise and they say, can I, is there something like, can I do more work? Like, can I, is there,

can you like also raise like my responsibilities or something? Them the people you keep around. Right. You feel what I'm saying? Yes. Them the people you keep around. You know, and,

and when you, when you do something so astronomical as to building somebody's career and they just say, Yo, you're my brother, bro. Bang, never going to see you again. And then it's like when you do something astronomical, like, bro, you built my career. There has to be something I can do for you.

That's the people you keep around with you. Have you heard the story about the lady in the python? This lady had a 10-foot python, and the python stopped eating. Month goes by, two months goes by. He wouldn't sleep in his pen. It wasn't sleep in its pen. It only wanted to sleep next to her. Two months, but it wouldn't eat.

She takes it to the vet. She said, I don't know what's wrong. I don't know what's wrong with the snake. It won't eat anymore. He said, wait a minute. How long has it not eaten? Like two, three months? Say, does it want to just sleep next to you?

Yeah. Say, it's nothing wrong with this snake. So that snake is sizing you up. It's going to eat you. It's going to eat you. It's just getting close to you, let you let you let you let your guard down. I know where that was going. It's going to eat you.

You see what happened? Absolutely. And there are times- Let your guard down. This is my brother. Patting you in the back all the while. All the time. And I just, you know,

there have been times where I've not been like a great friend to people and shit like that. But I didn't, like, I had no idea. I thought I was doing everything that all the artists were supposed to be doing like that. You know, you know, when I'm getting gifts from nothing and then come to find out, it's just like all the shit they got from the, from the Grammy. gift room and shit. You just go through the line and just like, oh, you got a watch. Yeah, hey, Nick, I got your watch.

You did somebody, somebody gifted you that. Somebody right. You re-gifted. Exactly. So, you know, it's a little shit like that, man. And it's, you know, again, it's patting you on the phone. Well, how do you move, though? How do you move?

Someone says you're your brother and you see, you come to find out that they're moving funny. They're moving sideways. How do you remove yourself without making it so obvious that you remember? You make it obvious. You make it very, very, very, very fucking obvious. You make it very, very obvious. Because it's like...

So you wanted to know that you don't F with them no more? Yeah, you have to. And that's the only way you're going to remove it because if you lead them on, they're going to keep calling it like, hey, you're available this week? No. No, I'm not. I'm available.

No, my fuck I am not available this week. Wait, did you think... You think we're going to start working again? I mean, you're my brother. No, we're not. No, I have not. No. So it's like, you know, things like that.

You have to, I've learned as I've grown up and as I've come to, you know, because like when you start hitting in your 40s, you start losing a lot of friends. And it's not because of you becoming, you know, anti-social or anything like that. It's because it's like, oh, can we agree that we've never. really been friends. Right. We can be grown up about this that we've never really been friends at all. Like we other than being artists, we really have nothing in common. That's it. And it's just like now that we're both in our 40s. We have nothing to like you at the age now paying you get to choose your friend. It's not like we have to be elementary school junior high school day. We can

we can both agree that we have nothing in common and none of us are are, are, has an advantage from us saying that we're friends at all. We don't, there's no like, nothing game. There's no me featuring you that's going to rock the airwaves. Like, we're good. We can just stop saying that we're cool, right? Oh, yeah.

Let's, yeah, let's, yeah, okay, let's stop doing it. Damn. You know, like, man, there were so many, there were so many, there were people, um, when I was doing, like, when I was, like, heavy in features. Yeah. Oh, you're the, you're the feature king. I was a feature king. I was a feature king. When people started me doing features, there were bigger artists that were like, I don't want to be, like, in the video with him.

Like, I know he's like, you need him as a feature, but can we not have him in the video with me at the same time? What? Like, there were so, bro. So, hold on. That happened so many times. You don't, you want me on the feature, but you don't want me in the video. Correct. Just in case, the thing that I was doing was a gimmick.

and they can separate themselves from me later on, which was, which in turn was smart, what's in turn was smart? But it didn't work out their way. Now they try to circle back. I mean, now I'm here with you. Yeah.

They are not. So it turned into a, it turned into a safety net that ended up being a mosquito net. You know what I'm saying? It kept, them from sucking my blood, you know what I'm saying? And I saw from the beginning that nobody needed to be around me anyways. And I'm totally fine with that. And the thing is that

most of these make their identities kind of reliant on being around a bunch of my people. I make my identity on, it's just me and my wife. Yeah. And here you go. I don't know. After she, after she see this, I don't know. She might say, she might 22 years. I know y'all better get up for 22 years. Again, she hollied at me first. She said you with the, hey, she said you was the one. She bought and she bought into it.

I didn't do it. Hey, let me ask you, what made you sell your catalog? What made me sell my catalog? The, the amount of money that they gave me for my catalog, it literally would have took me a hundred. hundred years to make that money. I calculated it and I was like, why would I sell

y'all this? Why would I say, and they'd like, look, here's how much you're making per year off of this. We're going to give you a hundred years worth of money right here all at once. Okay. Why would you? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't think that was a hard Did you discuss it with wife? You're like, hey, check this out.

This company came to me, this venture capitalists or this board of courting, whatever. Yeah, I'll discuss it with my wife. She said, why you ask me that quick? You know damn well you're supposed to have said yes on the spot. I said, hey, babe. Okay, you come in and say, hey, babe, check this out. I got a deal.

I don't know. I might and can refuse it. I might not. You talked to the kids today. Kids gone to school. Yeah. She said, yeah. I was like, did you, you know, everybody good?

Yeah, like, I got to talk about something that's real important about our future. okay um and then she's like okay cool you know cool shit i was like can i close the door because i don't want you know the rest of the house they're here and shit like that she was like yeah she's shaking you know just what the fuck it's going on like just just tell me i'm so i close the door cuckoo we're rich we're rich we're rich we're rich we're rich we don't we don't we don't for the rest of my life. We got $100 million. You know who Elon Musk is?

Oh my God. Baby, baby, Michael Zuckerberg just invited us to us, but we rich. We're rich. Damn. Wait so. So, hold up. You tell me that, you say, baby, we rich beyond rich. I mean, whatever you thought about when we got together, my career was taking off,

whatever you thought I was going to be. Here's the thing. Here's what made us beyond rich. Here's what the we rich beyond rich. So Harborview, the people I sold my catalog to, they didn't just say we want your catalog. They said, we'll buy your catalog. But also, if you make another hit, we want that too.

If you make more songs, we want them too. If you make a hit TV series, we want that too. Damn. If you make a football league that just nobody even thought of, we want that too. If we are scoring movies. If you score a movie, we want that too. So it's not just at... So basically, whatever you do that you can possibly monetize it.

It's not at just what they got. So I can... I'd sold them what I sold them. But also, if I'd say, this one's doing pretty good too. They're like, we want that too. Here's another... Damn. You know what I'm saying?

So it's a partnership now. Yeah. It's not, and, and that's a, that's a thing that Harvey View does. Like, when they go in, when they go in with somebody, they don't go in, like, give us your shit, you're our Michael Jackson now. It's like, we, look, we want to go into a partnership with you. So if you decide, if I decide that club husband is doing good enough, how much y'all give me for the club husband? Now you can put it in anywhere you want to. Now you can put it on movies and you can make the rest of the money on them.

the money it would have taken me a hundred years to make off a club husband you get that. Boom. Even if it's 20x. That's 20 years. The money it would take me to the time it would take me to make 20 years worth of money off a club husband.

I can get a 20x from there. The time it would take me to just sell a beat or dub step. If I make an intro to your show and they say we want the rights to that.

Take it. How much money is Sandin Sarb's show going to make for the next 20 years? How much steak do I have in that from the intro? Boom, give me that money. In other words, it was a no-brainer. What was the first? Okay, you got this money, you wealth and beyond you, even when you dreamed at night. My brother just tells us all, tell me all the time, he say, a dream is this gift you give to yourself. So you're dreaming at night. Right. What's the first thing you bought?

When you got this money, you let, hey, baby, what you want? Baby, whatever you want. Denny's house. It's not, it's not, it's not. No, no, no. So about a 50,000 square foot building for all my businesses. Okay, okay. So I was, I was, you, a 50,000 square foot, I thought you'd about to see a house.

I said, you're hot. No, no, no, no, no. 50,000 square foot building for all my businesses Okay I bought a plane A plane Yeah, the plane

Yeah, the plane Oh, big baller What the What in God's name Would you do with that money? Get two lawnmowers What the fuck? I would

I probably would buy time share is in a plane. I don't know if I would want to ask me a time. Okay. Yeah. No. I would abruptly buy two lawnmowers and a Ferrari. So what did you, okay, just what you bought a building, you bought a plane, what did she want for itself? Some black shirts.

She won't. My wife is the best, bro. She don't want anything. I'd be, I'd literally try to buy her shit. She seems so down to. earth. You know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if she's down on earth or she, you don't know she died of you billed with her for damn this. You see you, you see the nigger she picked like this. Yes, yes. Yeah, and I wasn't a smart choice. Good job. You know what I'm saying? I'd be trying to buy her shit all the time. I'm not about her trucks. And she's like, a truck. Trucks. Like, trucks. And she's like, and she's like, and she's like, All right, that's cool. Is this like, I'm just going to ride with you everywhere you go.

I'm not going to drive that. I'm like, okay, thank you. If one of us wins, we all win. I'm Ashley Reifeld, and I'm the host of the women's skateboarding podcast. Good luck with that. Good luck with that is a skateboarding podcast that is part cultural record, part news brief, mostly group therapy, and a place to talk about the past, present, and future of women and gender expansive skateboarding. This week, me and my co-hosts, Nora Vasquez,

Cancelos and Alex White, we have Fabiana del Fino on the show, a professional skateboarder from Florida, whose grit was forged in a family of athletes. Tune in to hear how she broke into the boys' club, what it takes to be pro, and why just being grateful you're here shouldn't be the price of entry. Maybe the industry thinks that we just started skating five years ago because that's when they maybe started paying attention.

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I'm Mike Delarocha. This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collect. What do you tell men that are hurting right now? Everything's going to be okay on the other side, you know, just push through it. And you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow. Which is why one of the most revolutionary acts that we can do as peoples just breathe. Next to the wound is their gifts.

You can't find your gifts unless you go through the wound. That's the hard thing. You think, well, I'm going to get my guess. I don't want to go through all that. You got to go through the wounds your life. listening to other people's near-death experiences. And it's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. But, so truck, thank you. You started up DJing at the age of 14, probably with making, what, $50, $100 a night DJ and $200? Money. Y'all's getting paid. Oh, you do it for free?

Yeah, I was carrying crates. Okay. At 14, 15, I was carrying a crate because, keep in mind, I couldn't go into clubs unless I had a job. Right. So I was carrying crates for DJs, and I was hearing the reason that I can make the songs the way that I make is because I was hearing the songs that DJs were playing from the crates that I was carrying.

Right. And I was like, man, people really like these parts of songs. What the fuck is making people go so crazy? Okay. So every night I would literally write down like, all right, the hi-hats going from this song. Yeah. All right. They like this part.

Okay. There's no kick on this part. All right. Well, he just said something real loud about this part. I don't know what the thing. And so I, like, started studying why people like parts of songs. songs that they like. And then I went back in my career and I was like,

I think I'm going to try to make a song. Damn. And I'm going to incorporate all these things that people have seemingly been liking from these things that I've been seeing. So kind of just like, yeah, it's making a song from a DJ's perspective is. Because you know what hit, you know, like you said, I know it hits. I know what, like, you know, an 808 hits on this part, and people love that shit.

There's no 808 on this part and people screaming this shit on top of their lungs. There's no high hat on this part. There's no snare on this part. There's no boom-and-boom. So I started incorporating those things into my songs, and it's like, I think I know how to make a song. Yeah. I tried one and... Boom.

Yeah, just happened. Because early your career, you bought. a Bogotty, $1.7 million, you bought a chain, $400,000 said big ass chain, now you got little ass chain. Now you say, hey, Frank Richard Mill from Timu. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. When I bought that Bugatti, that was the last bit of my money and I had no idea. I had no idea. You didn't know that was your last bit of your money or you had no idea that? I had no idea that was the last bit of my money.

When I bought that Bugatti, I demanded that my accountants send the money for that Bugatti. And when I got it, they were like, hey, so we may have to sell your house. I'm like, what are you talking about? I have a Bugatti. And they were like, yeah, that was what we were going to use

to pay for the rest of your house. And I'm like, my house is paid for it. And you're like, uh, yeah, not anymore. Uh, so we had to take out something for your thing and then we bought the Bugatti. So then the Bugatti disappeared and shit like that, but it was never like, uh, I was never secure because I never knew what the hell was going on with my finances. I mean, now very, very, very, very close to my finances. And I don't know every dollar that goes out, like, I'm telling you, if somebody tries to send

$4 from one of my accounts I get an alert on my phone. You know what I mean? Like I stay very close to my finances and shit like that. But back then, I had no idea what was happening. I had no idea.

I had so much money that it was just like, why would I care? Wow. I don't care who steals from me. I should still have enough. You know what I mean? But that's what was happening.

People were actually stealing. Oh, yeah, they were actually stealing. They were actually stealing. But also, I was investing and weird stuff. My granddad said he had a... And it sounds stupid now. My granddad said he had an idea.

We're going to sell... What did you sell it? You know how... You know how to sag their draws all the time. Yeah. We're going to sell pants. But the draws already sagged. Oh, my God.

You're going to sell pans with the drawers hanging out of it already. And then the waistband of the draws is the actual waistband of the paint. Absolutely. How much money you need. That shit sounds amazing. You know what? Spent $150,000 on that. I didn't have it, but I gave it to them.

Guess what? You can pull it up right now. Balenciaga is literally selling pants with guns. draws hanging out the you got we copyright dude you you got hell no man he never did it he never

made him he never did it but I was supposed I was supposed to just know that that was going to happen but right now I swear to God Valencia is selling pants with draws as research department

we're going to we're having yeah yeah you can pull it up that's what that yeah now now you're on twitch oh boy so hey bro are you more active on twitch than making music i mean so so how does how to twitter i'm making music on twitch i'm making all my music on twitch so people can see it in real time in real time i'm literally everything that i do now every single that i release everything that happens right now i can you can clock it from me me making the first sound to putting it out like all the way from me making the first sound of the beat making the whole beat recording the vocals and then putting it out i can show you the entire process on twitch and it's and it's been not only a liberating thing for me but it's turned

into an eye-opener to the viewers for other artists because they're like y'all ain't doing this y'all ain't doing the process like pain you know what I'm saying so it's it's not a it's not a flex but it's like

if your favorite artist ain't doing the whole process then you're all watching this for right you know what I'm saying yeah so it's it's turned into uh I don't Look, you can see, you can literally watch this song develop from the first sound of the beat to the release of the song.

And that can't, there's no other place that you can watch that happen within a week span. You know what I'm saying? So within seven days, you can see this thing happen. I will stream every part of me making this. And I have like a two-step process, like I got a drunk tea paint. sober tea pain. So drunk tea paint are come in and start to beat, make the song and shit like that. And then sober tea pain

and come in the next day and like, what this do last night? I don't remember. None of that shit. And then I fix it. And then I finish it to where the song can come out. Right. So it's like you get these different aspects of how my

process works. And there's, like, come to my house and like, I don't want people to see me recording my verse. Right. And it's like, you don't even want, like, damn, bro, we're just, we're just writing verses and just recording. They're like, no, I don't want to, I'm showing you start to finish. You're showing everything. I just, I have to because I don't have, and a big part of it is I don't have a hidden aspect to my process. Okay. Because a lot of that come up, come to the crib, they're like, they got these other writers or they got these other producers and they

They got people that got secret that come in on the side and do all this extra shit. I'm like, bro, it's been, it's literally me in the studio. What they see on Twitch is what it actually happened with. Exactly what it is. It's me in the studio by myself the whole time doing this shit. And, you know, sometimes my wife would come in. She'll write the shit with me. But, you know, my kids are coming in that write shit with me.

But it's like, it ain't no secret. It ain't no extra writers coming in. It ain't no extra coming out the street. Shit like that. Like, it ain't never going to be that. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that's that's my favorite part of the shit. The fun part is getting drunk of shit one night.

Coming in the next morning and still streaming, like, let me see what this borg did. But the borg was me. So I'm like, let me see what he did. And I hear it, I'm like, oh shit, that nigga had a little idea last night. Let me see what's going on. And then I finished that idea. And then the song actually comes out.

but it's but you can see that it's me the entire time right so it's uh it's not only liberating man it actually shows people that not everything is fake you know everything you know i don't know how you felt but ever since like millivinelli everybody been like everything's especially not with AI everything's fake everything's AI everything's fake everything's AI everything's everything's fake. This thing ain't do that. I don't believe it. Even if I see you do it, I don't believe it. It's just not a real thing.

You know what I'm saying? A couple of years ago, pain. If one of us wins, we all win. I'm Ashley Reifeld, and I'm the host of the women's skateboarding podcast. Good luck with that. Good luck with that is a skateboarding podcast that is part cultural record, part news brief, mostly group therapy, and a place to talk about the past, present, and future of women and gender expansive skateboarding.

This week, me and my co-hosts, Nora Vaskin, Encelos and Alex White, we have Fabiana Delphino on the show, a professional skateboarder from Florida, whose grit was forged in a family of athletes. Tune in to hear how she broke into the boys' club, what it takes to be pro, and why just being grateful you're here shouldn't be the price of entry. Maybe the industry thinks that we just started skating five years ago, because that's when they maybe started paying attention. It's a no-fluff conversation about putting in the years, stacking clips and receipts, and still having to prove your worth while the industry catches up. You break down the door, sick now, like, hold the door for everyone.

We created good luck with that because we want to share our experience of existing in an industry that wasn't always built for everyone. So listen to good luck with that on iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For 25 years, I've explored what it means to heal, not just for myself, but alongside others. I'm Mike Delocho. This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collect. What do you tell men that are hurting right now? Everything's going to be okay on the other side, you know, just push through it.

And you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow. Which is why one of the most revolutionary acts that we can do as peoples just breathe. Next to the wound is their gifts. You can't find your gifts unless you go through the wound. That's the hard thing. You think, well, I'm going to get my guess. I don't want to go through all that.

You got to go through the wounds your life. listening to other people's near-death experiences. And it's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer. Listen to Sacred Lessons as part of the My Coutura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is Gentleman's Cut.

I think what makes Gentleman's Cut different is me being a part of developing the profile of this beautiful finished product. With every sip, you get a little something different. Visit gentlemen's cut bourbon.com or your nearest total wines or Bevmo. This message is intended for audiences 21 and older. Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, Boone County, Kentucky. For more on Gentleman's Cut Bourbon, please visit gentlemen's cut bourbon.

Please enjoy responsibly. Hey, what's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. If you love breaking down football from every angle, you're in the right place. Every week on Move the Six, Bucky Brooks and I dive deep into the game from the X's and O's to the front office moves shaping the league. We kick things off with Brian Baudinger, breaking out what really went down on Sunday.

It is as good at timing, rhythm, offense as there is in the league right now. Ben Rette Lewis joins us for our rookie draft and coordinator of the week, where we highlight the rising stars and the masterminds calling the shots. DJ talked me into A Ronde Gadsden Jr. He had a monster game. A monster game. And you hear from the voices who actually build the game. GMs, coaches, and players who give you insight.

you won't get anywhere else. High standards and high care, that's the right combination. So whether you're studying tape or just love great football talk, subscribe to move the sticks on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, y'all, it's me, your man, M.G. Marcus Grant. And I'm Michael F. L'OREO. And I'm Laquan Jones.

If you're looking to win your fantasy football league, you need to tune in to the NFL fantasy football podcast. It's right there in the name. Every week, Florio, LQ, and I bring you the latest news from around the league. We break down every matchup, give you our analysis and advice, so you know who to start, sit, drop, and trade to bring that championship trophy home. I just want to remind everyone how good Rishie Rice was last season. And these three healthy games, he was the wide receiver 2 in fantasy.

I think Rishie Rite just goes off this week. The Chiefs come on a flip pass to Rice. Near side, touchdown! Remindry Stevens is my sleeper this week. This is a matchout where I think I can slide. and Stevenson in my flex position and he could deliver double-digit points this week. Drake takes the snap, hands it off,

Romero, running it right, and running into the end zone. Touchdown! It's never too late to turn your fantasy season around. Subscribe to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. He had you on nightcap, and I asked, I say, pain, with your voice, you can really, really F and sing.

I don't know if there's a rapper, dead or alive that can match vocals with you i say why you use auto tunes it literally just set me apart it was just something that set me apart do you know um there's not a lot of people in this world that have heard uh roger troutman's actual singing voice uh you're the first one and computer love that boy can sing his ass all okay but he did that to set himself apart Because if you're just going to sing, you're just going to be another singer. Yeah. Like, why put yourself in that category when you have the opportunity to set yourself apart from everybody?

And, you know, it comes with its, it comes with its stipulations and it comes with its... Won't you do a pivot? Won't you do, okay? I did. I did. No, you're talking about an album, really right now, like Beyonce. Beyonce had her genre. She said, you know what? Country, what I'm going to do. And put an album out. Okay, you rap, now do it R&B. Well, let's keep in mind that country's always been a part of Beyonce's repertoire. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

Like, Beyonce's always been able to do country. You know, all her harmonies and all the things that Destiny Child did and things like that, that's always been country. Okay. That's always been blues. And country music came from blues and blues came from country. And, you know, everybody can, you know, have their allegations about that. but this has always been a thing. It's about tempo, it's about rhythmic vocals and things like that

that made it, quote unquote, country, but it's always been that. And that's something that we are always able to do. Rhythm and blues. Yes. It's what R&B is. Yes. Blues. Yes.

Blues is country. Yeah. Country is like we've always been in this space. My mama done told me. We call that we call the blues, but that's where country came from. So we can do that. That's always been ours. You know what I'm saying?

So we just kind of went back to our roots on that. And Beyonce was always the queen of that. So it's never going to be a thing to where it's like a pivot for us. It's just just kind of doing what we were already doing. You know what I mean? Like when I did on top of the covers, when I did my cover album and I was singing, singing, singing. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So did people really know you could sing like that before they heard you do all the covers? Not at all. Not at all. I don't think so. There was a core audience that had a suspicion, but I never like really felt like I needed to prove anything. So when I went into that, when I went into that on top of the covers and I did the, when I did the sunrose in L.A., it was kind of a, it was, I didn't prove a point, but it was just like a, see?

No, I can really sing. It was like a right. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? It was kind of like a that, but it wasn't like a, I'm here to prove a point kind of thing. It's just like, let's get together for a night of good vibes. and I'm going to do the thing that we all know that we're going to do. And then we sold out three nights in two minutes.

Wow. You know what I mean? Is that something you're looking to do again? I do want to do a part two of it. I do want to do a part two of it. I'm about to start taking a poll online of what songs I should do because I don't want to pick them. You want the audience to pick them.

Yeah, because the first version of it was songs that like meant a lot to my heart. Yeah. And now I want to know what people think that I should. should be kind of, you know, kind of taking a stab at. Who, who haven't you worked with that you would like to do something with? Andre 3,000. Good luck with that one. Yeah.

I would literally learn how to play a woodwind to work with a singer. I swear to that. I bought a flute and a, I bought a saxophone from T-Moo. Almost got it. I almost got it. If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, it's a, bro, a half-time show. No.

That's too much pressure. It's too much pressure. That's a, that's a, that's, because you got to think, not, it's a great honor. Yes. It would be an amazing honor. But you got to think about me trying to squeeze 20 years of absolute hit records. In 15. 15 minutes.

Yeah. Can't do it. I'm just. I'm just not, I'm not going to be the one that would be, remember when Justin Timberlake did it? Yeah. And that whole 15 minutes was like, oh shit, I forgot about that. Oh, shit. What?

That was his? Oh, goddamn Farrell. God, shit. Yeah, I don't want that. I don't want the head snatch of, damn, I forgot he did all that shit. Just let me live that out. Also, I don't own that shit anymore. So just.

No. I sold it. It's all I have it. You know what I mean? You also, we're going to get you out here a few more. Yeah. You said that you stop, you write songs, but when you were writing songs for people

that their fan base didn't know you were actually writing and was getting upset. You said, you know what? Just go and give me to breathe. I all y'all got to put me on there. Yeah, I had to learn how to stop wanting to be in front of the camera. Okay. I had to learn how to get the hell behind the camera

and just all right I don't have to like me but I did help your favorite artists I did write this country song I did write this shit but you know that was a time where

people would look at those those booklets when you get an album snatch that thing out of the CD cover who wrote yeah you look at those things and they don't have those anymore

so I had to learn to be like I don't need that credit. I don't need you to know. It's obviously there, but I don't need everybody to have that knowledge. My family's taken care of. My wife's still loving.

My kids don't hate me. We're good. I don't need anybody else to know exactly what I'm doing all the time. And that's, you know, that's a thing that we all got to do it. Any more free boots, any more free beats?

hooks, features? All the time. You still? All the time. All the time. Free beats, hooks, features. I still do what we call T-mixes. Okay.

T-mix is always free because it has to be a song that I really, really, really, really like. And that's how you get a free T-Pain feature. You make a song that I really like, I'll do a verse to it and just put it out and you can do whatever you want to it. It's not like a... You know, it's not like a premeditated thing. You don't know what's happening, things like that. I'm doing a folded remix. Yeah.

The folded T-mix is, I mean, Kalani's already asking me to do something on her album, but I'm like, I was already doing it. Right. You know, but she was like, oh, yeah, just do that then. Okay, cool. You know, she had another song ready for me, and I can still do that song, I was like, hey, I'm about to do a photo. I just want to let you know,

as soon as I get off this, as soon as I get off this road, and as soon as I know it exactly what I'm about to do for the next two weeks, now I got you. I'm about to do that folded remix, but also I'm going to do the thing that you asked me to do. The mass singer. How did they get you to do that?

And how do you sing and how do you sing in that damn big ass cop student? I got to tell you, man. I tried to cancel the mass singer three days before I started it. damn yeah no it was bad it was bad because when i when i actually got a hold like a mental hold of what it was i was like oh this is stupid as hell i don't do this and then i was like yo i'm good on this i don't want to do this anymore and they're like what what what's wrong and i was like you telling me if they can figure out who's in the costume, then they lose?

I'm going to lose immediately. Everybody knows exactly what my voice sounds like. I don't know what it sounds like, but apparently I'm a mix between C-Lord Robin Thick. I don't know how that works. So I'm like, if anybody can hear my voice, then I lose? They're like, no. If they figure out who you are, but they can't.

prove it, then you can keep going. And I'm like, oh, I get it. Can I drink? And they're like, yes, you can drink. I'm like, okay, I can do it. I mean. And I don't know, you can probably pull it up now, but every night that I performed in that costume, I had to wear the pants. I was the only person that had the pants. I was the only person that had pants and then the rest of my costume would just engulfed my body right everybody else was an actual mask right and just clothes right you know what I mean so it was like I was the person I was wearing an actual costume the entire time so every night you can see the eye fog the up and I couldn't see shit so every night I was performing blind and I couldn't see shit that one that one

last night that actually won me the whole thing. I had a microphone in my hand. I had a microphone in my actual hand outside of the costume, and they wanted me to put the microphone up to the mouth of the thing. And I'm like, I can't do that. I actually need somehow

to maybe I have a fake hand outside and then I have a mic in here because I'm about to perform stay with me by Sam Smith. And they're like, we, we can't do that. That's going to look stupid as hell. You're going to have just a, just an arm out here with a microphone in it. And I'm like, okay, well, what's the best I can do?

And like, we can put a microphone in your hand on a half a stand, put it up to your mouth, but we can also have a microphone right here on your face. The Madonna mic. Like, well, I breathe too much for that. And they're like, well, you got to. control your breathing and that's the only way we can do it and that that is literally what won me the whole thing because i was like i'll hold my breath in between these lines in order to get this right and i literally was holding my breath that whole night because you can hear me like

in between the shit because i was so hot in there yes and i had fans in there in the in the costume in the costume, but you can hear the fans in the mic, so they had to cut them off in order for the mic to be clean on my face, and they taped it to my sideburns and my lips. And I'm like, okay, y'all are going to make me lose this thing. And I was like, you know what? I'm just lock in. Here we go. And then I just sang it without taking a breath for that whole take.

That's what we want me the whole thing. I didn't take one breath that all the time. I was so scared. I didn't take one breath that entire time that I was singing. That's it. I'm going to get you out of here on this. What is T. Payne most proud of? What is your grandest accomplishment?

T. Payne's most... T. Payne's most grandest accomplishment. I honestly, and I, you know, I say it in interviews, and I've said it in this interview. I will keep saying it. My wife loved me and my kids don't hate me. Because I know so many that that is not the case. Wow.

I know so many people and so many guys that have kids and have a wife that hates them that they, you know, they call it the old ball and chain. My wife don't do that to me. My wife, you know, she comes on a row with me. I never go anywhere without her. My kids don't hate me. My kids love everything that I do. I'll talk to my kids like we best friends.

You know, everything that I do, my wife and kids are a part of it. Well, that is, that is, that is such an accomplishment for a black man. That it's, it's kind of like a flex. It's damn like an outfit. It's just like, you know, when this manager, when they're like, you look like

that take care of your kids, old bitch-ass-ass. Like, if I'm like, damn, what? Yeah, and my wife love me too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I bet your wife love you, old bitch-ass, d'all. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what love feels like, whole-ass bitch.

Like, damn, like, it's an insult now. Yeah, because we don't, we, we, sometimes we don't feel like we deserve the shit. Yeah. And we really do. We really do. And to have somebody there that actually with us and to have your kids, you know, and to grow up with your kids. Yeah. It's awesome.

To, you know, to have that stereotype of fatherly, you know, black fatherless kids and shit like that. Like to be able to grow with your kids and to have a wife that loves you, man. That is, I think that's. I mean, I can really be like, T. Payne, your mama, a hoe. Yeah, my wife love me though. Like, you know what I mean? Like that's what it's a... See, bang, your daddy ain't never love you.

I mean, my kids do. My kids love B though. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's like a... What can hurt you when nothing can? You know what I mean? Right.

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