Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford Part 1

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

In this electrifying on-the-road episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe connects with Terence "Bud" Crawford at the UFC Apex in Las Vegas for an in-depth conversation that explores the mindset and techniques behind one of the greatest boxers of all time. The undefeated WBA Super Welterweight Champion lets Shannon in on his unmatched boxing technique, footwork, and mentality in a hands-on, unforgettable tutorial. Crawford opens up about what has driven his meteoric rise, crediting two things: his unwavering belief in himself and his desire to prove the doubters wrong. Despite being the only male fighter to become a two-division undisputed champion in the four-belt era, he still feels underestimated, which only fuels his relentless drive. He reveals that he’s not scared of losing power in a potential fight against Canelo, acknowledging the legend’s skill but stressing the thrill of challenging himself in the ring. Growing up in Omaha, Nebraska, Crawford reflects on his roots and the impact it had on shaping him into the man he is today. He shares stories about his childhood in North Omaha, where he was raised by his mother and surrounded by family. Crawford notes the influence of figures like Malcolm X, Warren Buffett, and even the challenges of living in a city with both good and bad areas, which made Omaha a special place to raise his own family. He talks about the unique challenges he faced growing up without a strong male figure in his life, with his father’s absence due to his Navy career. Despite being disciplined by his mother, Crawford credits his family and upbringing for his grounded mindset. In addition to discussing his upbringing, he shares poignant moments with figures like Warren Buffett, whose humble demeanor left a lasting impact on him. As Crawford traces his journey from a young athlete to boxing champion, he recalls early struggles with his temper, which held him back in his early career. He reveals how the birth of his child and spiritual guidance from his uncle helped him turn his life around. Through the support of mentors like Tim Bradley and other key figures, Crawford was able to transition from fighting as an amateur to a professional, eventually becoming one of the most decorated names in the sport.   #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello ladies and gentlemen and welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay on the road. I'm at the UFC Apex right here in Las Vegas, Nevada. And the guy that's stopping by for conversation and he's going to give me some pointers on how to throw punches and to have the right technique just in case something pop up. He's the first male boxer in history to become a two-weight division undisputed world champion in the four belt era.

He's the first male boxer in history to become a two-time undisputed champion, a three-weight ring magazine champion, a four-weight division world champion. He's six-time fighter of the year. He's won ten world titles across four weight classes he's the undefeated and he's the reigning WBA super well-to-weight champion here he is ladies and gentlemen the pride of Omaha Bud Crawford what's going on? uh oh, you're letting your guard down

I would have caught it I would have caught it hold on bud, hold on, you circling me I would have caught it bud you would have caught it. Hold on, hold on. You circling me. Bud, you circling. Bud, you circling. Bud, don't do that. Bud, don't do that.

I would have caught it. Look at that. Don't do that. Don't do that, bud. I'm just going to. Hey, that's the A. The Cobra. All right. You got it.

You got it. You got it. No. I ain't balling, bud. You good? Good to see you, man. How you been? Man, I've been great.

I've been great. You'll slap all right on whatever I need to be That's the thing I'm gonna take your right I'm gonna just so I know you ain't got no left Cuz you told me So here temple I got a particular temple, right? Okay. So first and foremost you two square You know, I mean? There you go. Now, you got to always know, if you're right here, man, I can hit you with every punch in the book. OK.

But if you're right here, you know what I mean? It's going to be harder. And you're slimmer. OK. You're a harder target. Got you. All right. Now, you big, man.

You got to be fast. You know what I mean? First and foremost, your elbow's out, man. You're going to be getting hit with body shots and stuff. So I got to be up here? You're on your toe a little bit. You know what I mean? Just your your elbows out man. You're gonna be getting hit with body shots So I gotta be a little bit, you know, I mean Just a back one a little bit because when you when you when you punch it you want to spring off You want to spring that's gonna be a little okay a little spring. So There you go relax relax, you know, I mean then when you jab you want to spring off for that one You just want to step and slide

There you go. Yeah Yeah, but I got a break You look with it you think yeah. Yeah, okay So I might my you feel me. Yeah, so when you when you jab you wanna boom. Just keep it tight boom Not don't pull it up too much cuz now you're straining yourself. Just let it just let it flow. You boom. You ain't even got to be hard. You just let it flow. Let it flow. Yeah, chin down a little bit. Get that right there. You want to protect your chin a little bit.

See Ocho, Ocho talking about protecting your temple. See, Ocho, you done got me knocked out. I got a professional here. I know I shouldn't listen to Ocho talking about protecting your temple. You're gonna protect that too. You're gonna protect that too. But you okay, protecting this, but how do I keep from getting body shot, man?

Because listen, you know what I mean? If you got your elbows in here, if you throw a body shot, throw a body shot. You just drop them. But got your elbows in here, if you throw a body shot, throw a body shot. You just drop them. But if your elbows out here, if your elbows out here, and I, oh! I can just touch you, you know what I mean? I can just touch you with a little something.

Boo! My car, man! Man, you gotta tell me you gonna throw the body shot so I can brace, I can tip! I ain't getting the brace for that! So when you're here, you just drop them. You just drop them, you just drop them. Because you always want to keep your hands up.

You know what I mean? That's like if I throw a jab, yeah, you just, boom, boom. You don't want to stop. You don't want to do that. So because you do that. I might fake you. So that's the fake you talking about, you go come over the top.

See, there you go. Damn. Just catch it. Just catch it, yeah, there you go go but not pulling out you pulling okay don't pull so so so let's you throw I do this in back right so I'm boom ah see I'm gonna step in I'm gonna step in and crack you so if you got if you got it here and you just here you just hear here and then I faint you you know boom there you go

getting hit with something that you don't see right the punch there a lot of points that damn they're always get some out of there is that uppercut because it's coming from the blast spine because Because I'm looking, looking, and then Tyson was good and notorious, bam, bam. Or who else? Lennox, nice uppercut. So how do you protect against the uppercut? Well, there's two things that you gotta worry about

with the uppercut. You gotta be in close to doing it. Now you throw it from distance. You're right, you're right. But this is another case where I say, you know your combinations. You know and know who you fighting and know what combinations that they love to throw.

Try not to get over this knee. Which one? Your front knee. I'm too much over? Were you over that? Were you getting down? That's when the knee. Now remember I said not getting out of position.

If you in position, it's gonna be hard to hit you with an uppercut because you can see it. And if you do get hit, boom, you kinda wanna, you wanna get back, you know what I mean? Or step to the side. So if we here and you sit down a little bit, you know, I mean and I come here just open that Okay, go you don't even got it See but you go kind of see what I'd knock this down. No, I can't counter I can't count her what I'm a counter with

Okay, if I touch you with this, you got your hand up. You know what I mean? You can catch this and come over top of me. Oh, okay. Can't be teaching you too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't be teaching. I can't be giving them too many jewels, man.

Look, look, look, yeah. He like, give me some more. I got you, I got you. On the track. Give me some more. Give me some more. He like, give me some more. Yeah, yeah.

I can't be giving you too much, Shandy, because now you're going to try to box and you're going to do this. No, no, no, no, no. Shandy going to come and call Jake Paul out. No, hell no. No, I got to fight somebody that got limited skills like myself.

Somebody that's in their 50s. Don't know anything about boxing. OK, you fight from the orthodox or south both What do you feel most comfortable with both? So, okay, let's just say you fight from the you fight from the south the south wall stands the orthodox and I'm gonna fight from The southpaw or the order this is my orthodox. Yeah, so you want me to fight for something? Yeah, so What are you trying to do? Are you trying to stay inside or are you trying to stay outside?

Are you trying to step on my foot? I ain't trying to step on your foot. It just depends on what I'm trying to do. Okay. Cause a lot of times you get a lot of headbuts with one guy's an orthodox and the other guy's a Southpaw, correct? I can let you take the outside, you know what I mean, and hit

you with some shots, and I can step on the outside and hit you with some shots. So it just depends on what I'm trying to do at the moment. Right. I'm trying not to let you hit me with your power shot. Which one ain't my power shot? If you say, I'm gonna think of your left. OK. So I'm gonna hit you with a power shot that's not with the left. That's OK. I don't feel it got that same kind of sting, that same kind of venom.

Why you think that? I just feel that. Let me see. Actually, this arm a little bigger. Actually, the right arm a little bigger. They the right arm a little bigger. Let me take that back. They both do what they supposed to do. I know, but I think the right one might have a little bit more power.

They both do what they supposed to do, I'm telling you. If you watch the history, these mugs do what they supposed to do. Oh yeah, you put them together now. I put them to sleep with left and right. But what you can do, you can put punches together. Which one you want? Let me see. This is a little big, I'm gonna hit me with this one.

This one, this one. They be scared of this one, so this one put them to sleep. But see, your right is bigger than your left. No. You know, yes it is, look at it. No, my left is bigger than your left. You know what the answer is? Look at it. No, my left is bigger than my right. Yeah. Shhh.

Ooh. Yeah, you see how you got hit, didn't you? That's the delayed reaction. That's the delayed reaction that I'm telling you about. The snake done bit me, I'm going back. It's too late now. I see how, yeah, I see how, ooh. What is the, I tell you, yeah.

["Spr Toe"] All right, so when you hooking, you here, you wanna go on that toe and bring that one flat. So this? So you here right here, say you on this back toe. Remember I told you to be on that back toe. You know what I mean? But when you hook, you wanna change your,

you wanna hook from the hips. you when you hook you want to change it you want to hook from the hips So when you hook boom This toe gonna go up and this one gonna go down. So you hear and it's gonna go boom So you can do a 45 or you can do straight yeah, so so you want to be a Mike Tyson so you want to be Because because hello because I like to think if somebody if I I'm into if I'm a I'm fighting in the hell I would be a heavyweight the guy he ain't no heavyweight your size. Listen what Joe freight Joe freight you were fine Joe wasn't about your height. Oh sure Joe Joe wasn't that tall He wasn't like like Ali to six choose and now we got a super heavyweight six four six five

You know six nine Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So so here we hear come from the shoulders relax relax always relax come straight from the shoulders boom Open it up a little bit. Bam, but get that that there you go Yeah, so you want to come everything you do you want to come from the shoulders boom just turn hips hmm use your hips I did are you got bad here yeah they are fish I got replaced Your hips is like this. I need a bro right now. You gotta use your hips. When you're coming in there, you hear boom, and that's where that torque gonna come from. The hips, your legs, all the way up in there.

So you square right now, so you like this. So when you're here, just bring it straight up. It's tight. Yeah, but use your hips it straight up. It's tight. Yeah, but using it, turn it. Yeah. Yeah. Whew. I'm blown.

I'm going to get about five of the motherfuckers in here. He's going to hit me with everything. He's going to come with the uppercut, left, the right. Oh, man. Oh, man, look at him. He ain't even broke a sweat. No, it's all good, man. Oh man, look at him. I'm sweating. He ain't even broke a sweat. No, it's all good man. It's harder than him. The hardest thing like when you see like watching a fight and you got in the corner, you're telling

bro get out the corner, get out the corner. It ain't just disease, it's just like walking out the corner, is it? Because I'm in the corner and you know I'm watching fights at? Cause I've been in the corner. And you know, I'm watching fights at home and I see somebody in the corner and he in trouble. I'm like, bro, get out of the corner. Get out of the corner. But it's a lot easier said than done, isn't it? Facts. So, getting out the corner could be difficult,

depends on, you know, if you hurt or not, or what type of fighter you fighting in. But for the most part, let's say you southpaw, right? Right. Let's say I got you in the corner, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. You got three things you can do. Right. You can smother me.

No, no, smother me. OK. You can close the distance. Right. So it's like here, when I get up under you. OK. You know what I mean? You got that.

You can grab me. Yes, that's what I that. You can grab me. Yes, that's what I mean. You can grab me. You can just step around and turn. Step, step, and turn. Oh, okay, okay. You know what I mean? Step, step around my feet.

Oh, you are really, so you literally talking about step. Oh, and get you in the corner. There you go. You can step around. But if I'm hurt, I ain't. But that's what I'm saying. If you hurt, you better grab me. Okay. You know what I I'm hurt, I but that's what I'm saying if you hurt you better grab me Okay, you know, I mean everybody think oh man, you punk if you grab man, I'm gonna grab you right

Let me get my thoughts together Okay, okay. I mean then I get back to the center of the ring and then you know, I mean you are all over start I'll have to work for it now because you don't let me You don't let me out of yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so, you know you wanted you want to do one when you tired another thing, bro Throw punches he in trouble. It's hard to throw them punches when you tired boy, man It is but you gotta that's why you got to train You know if you if you train hard, then you shouldn't have them type of problems If you train hard, then you shouldn't have that type of problems. Really?

Or, you know, when you is tired, you didn't train so hard that you learned how to deal with being tired and fatigued. You still been there with those punches. You know, you still been there with those punches, you know. When you tired, does it get more difficult as the rounds go? And let's say the pace, because a lot of it is determined by pace. I mean, if it's a fight, you know, and it's, you know, you guys feeling each other out the first couple of rounds and so forth and so on, not as the pace starts to pick up.

Does it get harder to get someone out once you start to start to fatigue in the later rounds? Yeah, for sure. But at the same time, we all didn't got tired before. But now that's when that second wind kick in. Do you know when someone's getting tired? Of course. Can you tell? We all can you know?

well You can right we can you know, uh Certain things, you know body languages and you know when you tie it out their mouth when you tie up in and in a clinch You know, I mean you can You might all oh you tie her. You tie a little bit more pressure on you. Or they not fighting the same level that they was fighting at earlier, you know? Or they just, you can tell that they just trying to pace theyself.

You taking all that information in? Yeah, of course. You know. Yeah. You in a street fight. Right. Let's go. People that, man, he ain't fight fair. Ain't no fair in no street fight. Ain't nothing, ain't nothing fair in a street fight. Right. Let's go. Man, he ain't fight fair.

Ain't no fair in no street fight. Ain't nothing fair in the street. Bottle, a brand, whatever the case may be in a street fight. I'm gonna hurt you. See? I don't wanna hurt you. I don't wanna fight in the street. I'm gonna hurt you.

You know what I mean? But they, your hands are deadly weapons. So you can't get in a fight. It's best for you to just Like a bro No, I just be like man. Just chill out man, cuz I'm gonna fuck you up I'm over here, bro. Hey Right on what you all right

You got it. You got it. Yeah, you got it. You got it. That's because the thing is order me Because here's the thing but people they look at you they look at your side Yeah, and that's the biggest mistake that you can order of me. Because here's the thing, bud. People, they look at you, they look at your size. Yeah. And that's the biggest mistake that you can make on somebody. First thing I'm looking for, I'm looking at his ears. He got cauliflower ears. He might be UFC-ing to have you flopping at everybody.

Now you a meme. Nah, I ain't worried about that. Yeah, but I'm saying, no, bud. See, you got hands like that. Everybody ain't got hands in this group. First thing I'm looking at, I'm looking at your hands and your body language. Nah, but I see, I'm not gonna let you get a phone. I'm looking at the but see you got hands like that. Everybody got hands. I'm looking at I'm looking at your hands in your body language No, but I see I'm not gonna let you get a phone. I'm looking at the mirrors from a different even even if I'm not on you

I'm looking at your hands in your body language That's the first thing I'm looking at. Mm-hmm because we in 2025 yeah, you know me what? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. What? What you saying? Hey, hey, hey, hey. Ain't nobody fight no more.

No, no. So he just like, man, man, listen, man, you good. You got it. Yeah, you just let him have it. You got it, bro. It ain't even like that. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, you right.

You right, bro. You got it. And I just leave peacefully? Yeah. Then when you come outside. No, no. If I leave peacefully, I'm going gonna get my car, I'm gone. But that's the thing that I would tell people is that like if you getting into it and y'all,

once the voices start to raise bud and it's all that mofos and be... And we close, I'll probably already punch you. That's the same. Yeah. But you not gonna let somebody close the distance. I'm not about to argue with your way over there though. That's the same. Yeah, but you not gonna let somebody close the distance. I'm not about to argue with you way over there though That's the thing. Okay, you know, I'm not about to that's that we we used to call People like that they scared right because they want everybody to think they'll come in

Yeah, hey, man, y'all need to stop man. Y'all need but if we About to do this like what you talking about and we hear we hear hear we not about to man. What you say Shannon? Shannon what's that stuff you say miss and I'll beat you up now that everybody gonna break it up and now everybody Hey, hey, I would take two or three of them more cake blows. Listen, listen, listen. All right. We on the streets. We not, we really.

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Oh! What you talking about? What you talking about in a minute? He's gonna be tired in a minute. I'm already tired. He's gonna be tired in a minute. All right now, Shannon. Sit back, sit back.

Breathe, man. Now listen, you did good that round. Okay. All right now Shannon sit back sit back breathe me now listen You did good that round. Okay, but you didn't do good Okay, I see I see what you're trying to do, but you gotta keep your hands up. Okay, go back to the basics Okay, one two. Okay. Keep the jab. Okay Come on get out there champ Come on get out there champ. How many more minutes we got coach? Get out there you got another round. Okay.

All that muscles I told you. I told you you was gonna get tired with all your muscles I told you and see I'm little yeah see and you didn't get me out of there now I got you out in the first round now that's going now now now that's my turn you gonna be rolling around and stuff you gonna drag me to the deep hey you're gonna be rolling around Oh, see, I see, see? I got this inside the deuce out of me. You're talking about, I can't breathe. That's how them big dudes meet. What's the word on my head, Coach? You were bull-jumping and I was like, you feel a punch, I'm going to do this and I'm going to come back.

He was like, man, that's a little ass punch, man, I'm going to hit you like seven, eight times. So when somebody like that drag, and Florida's good with that, like somebody throw and he probably, bam. Did you, I mean, how do you know what's coming and then how do you counteract that? Florida's so good at timing people. Yes. They got speed. So by the time you already threw your hand out,

he already didn't seen it, and he already in motion to hit you. So the only thing you can do is pop. It's just brace for it, you know what I mean? So when you out of position, Floyd is good at getting fighters out of position. So when you out of position, you know what I mean? You just gotta eat it.

What is, there's like, cause a lot of people say, well Floyd, Floyd ain't got no power, but if he ain't got no power, why people didn't walk him down? He did something to keep y'all up off him. Is it, is speed, is power generated through speed or is it generated through sitting down?

Okay. Both. You know, cause I can hit you with something fast and you don't see it and you be like, oh shit. You know what I mean? It's like whiplash or I can hit you with something that you see, but I sat down on it and it's like, boom. And you're like, man, this motherfucker didn't crack me.

You know what I mean? So it's both, you know what I mean? Speed is power though, but the ones that you don't see hurt you the worst Yeah, that's that's the thing is is that that's what I tell people like what's the hardest you've been here? Well, I didn't see it. Yeah, I'm going here and I'm like Bam. Yeah. Well if I see you coming I can you can brace for I can brace for it You can feel the force and you can know that it was it was powerful, right? You know, but but you took a lot of sting out of it Because you brace for it, but that one that you don't see yeah When you in the ring and you like because the hardest thing is is to stay focused once you tired

Mm-hmm is that and they you know coach Lombardi once said fatigue make cowards of us all So all of a sudden now you and cuz everybody feels good the first couple of rounds you like yeah, yeah, I feel good Hey, you're doing good son, you're doing good. You're on your toes, you're bouncing around. Now we get around six or seven. And now all of a sudden the punches start to uptick. So instead of throwing 10, 15, 20 punches, now all of a sudden it's a 30, 40, 50 punch output.

Now you got to really stay focused cause when you get tired, that jaw drop, now you're in the middle of the ring. So how do you stay relaxed? Because I think the biggest thing is staying relaxed because that takes a lot of energy. It's something that a lot of fighters struggle with, but being that I'm experiencing,

I've been doing it for so long I'm Used to it, you know, I'm used to Staying calm and in the storm, you know All great fighters is used to it. You got you know It comes with experience. I'm gonna just say it come with the experience, you know Some fighters you see they throwing a hundred punches around I come with experience. Some fighters you see they throwing a hundred punches around and they ain't got no look on their face.

It's because they been doing it for so long. Other fighters you see them breaking down and falling apart when they get tired. That's when the inexperience come into play. When you're tired you got to go back to the fundamentals. Keep your hands up and stick to your guns. That's the hardest thing because you know doing and people like man three readers say nothing. I was like I'll tell you what just hold your hand. I ain't say throw no punches. I want you to hold your hands just like this for three minutes. And just move around.

That's it. Now do that and you know just shadow by. I ain't talking about you know you gotta throw no power and let me know how you feel. Now, do that, and just shout about, I ain't talking about you gotta throw no power, and let me know how you feel. Now do that for 12 rounds and see how you feel. Three minutes doesn't seem like a long time, but when you getting stalked, or you stalking somebody, that's a long period of time, because the hardest thing that I found out, Bud,

that I stopped breathing, I hold my breath, and now here we are, man, in the half of the ring. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. So I couldn't, the hardest thing for me is that I couldn't relax. Because when I run around, bud, I'm holding my breath. I'm not breathing.

Catch the ball, run. I start breathing again. You can't do that in boxing. At all. You can't do that in boxing. And you can't do that in boxing. At all. You can't do that in boxing. And you can't say, coach, let me take one. What you let me do is? You can't go on the sideline and be like, let me take two players.

Let me get a drink. Yeah, yeah. But I love it though. I love it though because I love it though because you know, I'm so competitive. It's like I used to get into it with my teammates because of the wrong things that they was doing or they not working as hard as I am. You know, if I want to win so bad that I'm about to beat you up because you like I don't care it's just one plate no one plate can cost us the game right you know or you missing layups you

know I mean like that that's on the team like nah cut it out it's gonna be on me let me put it on my back at any point in time in your career I'm not just saying professionally your amateur career when you was taught, did you feel that you went into the ring and you weren't prepared? Most definitely. Most definitely. I mean, I had lost fights as an amateur

for not being prepared, not being in shape, and they just outworked me. I remember, you know what I mean, going to the corner out of shape, and I'm like, man, this dude, this dude, he couldn't fight. Right. You know what I mean, but he was just punching, and I'm like man, it's do this do it He couldn't fight right, you know, I mean, but he was just he just punching and I'm out there I'm trying to knock him out wing in and stuff and I'm just like man

I don't never want to feel that that feeling ever again in life because it's like for one It's embarrassing right to be this this top Amateur and you lose into people that you know you should be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just like, bro, if I'm in shape and I'm trained to the best of my ability, I don't think nobody can beat me. That's just been my motto my whole life since I've been working, like really working in the gym. Because when you little, you come in the gym a gym you hit the speed bag you play around with your friends and stuff like that and y'all go

to tournaments and y'all just go to tournaments but when you start getting to that elite level and the amateurs like everybody's good you know you fighting different styles every day you you fighting you know me overseas and stuff like that so it changed my life and my training resume. So everything was like hard. Go, go, go, go, go. And then you start seeing the outcome. It's like, oh man, if I'm this, this Terrence, man, these boys can't beat me.

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Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And then looking at the way Floyd Mayweather trained, that was so inspiring. You know how he run from the strip club. Everybody think just because he out there partying, he don't drink or smoke. He run from the strip club. He always working, just working, working. And I just took that from Floyd. I just worked. Non-stop, non-stop. from Floyd like I just just work. Nah, I stop. Nah, I stop. ["Bud Crawford"] All my niggas made a killin'

What it cost to get a million I'm livin' life for real Can't be out here movin' timid They love to see you feel this Get risky by the minute What gave Bud Crawford the confidence that he could be a world champion? The doubters.

The doubters and my belief in myself. You know, I think me believing in myself and the heart that I pose within my chest that I don't care who you is, if you ain't fought me, you can't nobody tell me you can beat me. Right. You know, so it just always been that I had a chip on my shoulder in every sport to prove like I belong here or I'm better than these guys that y'all praising. So I just always carry myself like that.

You still have that now you won 10 belts over four different weight divisions. You are two division undisputed in the four belt era. You're the only male that's done that. You still have daughters, you still feel you have something to prove? Of course, of course. Because they don't believe you won't be able to do

what you believe you can do in South Africa. Oh, of course, facts, facts. And that's the joy in it. Proving everybody wrong. Right. You know, having the ability to see the look on everybody's face when everybody say, oh man, he's this, he ain't for nobody or he's not that good or he's gonna get knocked out. I've been hearing that my whole career, you know? And then when I succeed, then it's

so... No, it's not quiet. It's excuse after excuse after excuse. So it's like, I didn't fight everybody that everybody wanted me to fight, but then it's, oh, you haven't fought nobody. Okay, cool. You know? I heard that, because when you fought Earl, man, that car wreck took everything he had out of him.

So if he'd have fought him three years before that, ain't no way Earl, white, black, white black before so let me ask you this in September Are you gonna pull this? I shook up the world? I told you I told you I told you I told you I told you that definitely You know me one in the moment You know and I just smile right because a lot of the people that personally know me They know they like man. I don't know why they doubting that boy, right, you know, and It's cool. I need that right. I need the the doubters to fuel me

I need the people to say oh well look at his fight against Madrimoff You know what you think he'd do if he go up two more weight classes? I need that, you know, because that's gonna make me more focused and turn into a different animal. So I need the people to say, I can't do this, or I'm not good enough, or I'm not strong enough, or this person gonna knock me out, because that makes me get

up and turn into Super Saiyan. As you move up in weight, some of the time they'll say, well, you move up in weight, you lose some of the power, but do you feel that you'll still be able to maintain that level of quickness moving up to weight classes? I mean, that's going to be 14 pounds, moving up 14 pounds, are you still gonna be able to possess, because everybody says well Canelo has power, that's his natural fighting weight. You're moving up, that's not your natural fighting weight, you have the speed advantage, so are you gonna be able to maintain that speed advantage and still be able to pack a

punch? Of course, you know I think you, you know, if you can punch, you can punch. Okay. You know, it may not have the same effect that it did on a smaller guy, on a bigger guy, but if you sharp, you sharp. Right. You know, and I don't got to knock them out. I just got to beat them. Right. A lot of people thinking just because a person punch harder than, you know, another fighter that they automatically gonna win. No, it's a lot of fighters that lost, you know, and they punched way harder than the fighter that they lost to.

Right. Canelo's not just a puncher. I don't know why that's- That's what people believe, huh? It's just like this. They don't know boxing. They just looking at him being strong. The bigger man.

He's a great boxer. You know what I mean? People taking away from his boxing skills and just thinking that he's just this puncher when that's not true. So that's why I laugh because we're not just looking at Canelo as a puncher. We're looking at him as a whole fighter, a complete fighter. You know, he can take a punch. He can deliver a puncher, we looking at him as a whole fighter, a complete fighter. You know, he can take a punch, he can deliver a punch, he can counter punch you, he can box you, he can punch on you, you know what I mean?

Good body puncher, good fighter that got good balance, he never getting out of position. So we looking at all that. Where were you when you decided to say you know what my next great adventure? Cudello. It's crazy I don't even know I don't even know where I was at but it was like I'm always willing to challenge myself like like today with you. Yeah know what I mean? No, it's just, it's just, it's just Emmy. That's the first thing he did. He came in, oh, I tackle you. It's just, it's just, it's just Emmy. It's just the competitive nature Emmy, you know. If I was sitting next to Michael Jordan,

I'd be like, man, let's play one on one. Right. Let me see how many I can score on you. You know, that's just, that's just me. So, accomplishing so much and failing to have the many Pacquiao fights, the Kodo fights, and the Shane Mosley that all the other great fighters had when these fighters was on their way out, that made them the star that they is not having those guys to share the ring with.

Right. It's like, Oh man, what's what can you do to leapfrog those fighters? Why not go up three weight classes? I wanted to go up three, just to be honest, I didn't want to fight at 154. I want to go you want to go straight from 47 to 68 Yes, I did It's documented. I wanted to go from 147 to 168 just because I

Want to challenge myself? Yeah, and that's and that's the joy of it. That's the joy of it. Everybody's like man boy. You crazy Yeah, you got to be crazy to think of things. Yeah, not not a whole lot of guys I mean Roy went from 168 to what and he waited the heavyweight And and he I think he weighed 193 in that fight So that was basically I mean that's 25 pounds that he went up you'd be going up 20 you'd be going up 21 pounds and normally guys like Go up incrementally, you know, you thought be going up 21 pounds. And normally guys like go up incrementally.

You know, you fought it. Cause if I'm not mistaken, I think Sugar Ray and Duranche fought it lightweight at 135. I think 147. Yeah. Because I know, I know Hagler, I know Sugar Ray and Hagler, excuse my herds fought at 47,

but Sugar Ray and Hagler fought at 160. And I'm like, okay, 147, he go to 154. He go to 160. We cool. Okay, but okay, I like that But think about going to super middle. Yeah That's that's that's the excitement about it. You know when I look at it like I Always had this this mind frame of the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Okay. I've been beating up big dudes all my life. They underestimate your hubbub. It's just even if they didn't,

I'm gonna beat you up. I can fight. Right. So if you watch, all these dudes bigger than me. Yeah. Like I don't care, but I'm gonna find a way to win no matter what. Okay.

You win this fight, then what? Who you, I mean, where you go from there, bud? You can't go back down. I might go to heavyweight. Nah. I just, I just play. I mean, but who, I mean, I mean, I mean, once you, let's just say for the sake of argument,

and I'm gonna say, you know, bud, you win, you win this fight at 168. You can't fight someone else You can't fight anybody at 147 because they're about say why are they fighting? Yeah, I can't I can't make 147 either Anyway, you can't make 147 What about 54? We're gonna go to 168. So you will go to 168 to stay stay there, huh? I ain't thinkin' about nothin' but 168. Is it over after that? I don't know. I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna say that.

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see dkng.co.slash audio. How the hell you getting the name Bud? How you getting Bud out of Terrence? Shit, you asking me, I asked my mom the same question. She said that when I was a little kid, they used to call me Spud. She was like, don't call him Spud, call him Bud. Okay, it stuck.

Ever since I was a baby, they been calling me Bud. Does anybody in your family call you Terrence or everybody just call you Bud? Everybody call me Bud. Nobody really call me Terrence. Well, we got the LaPorty up here, but you don't drink, you don't smoke, and you're getting ready for the arguably one of your biggest fights. So congratulations on everything, but we're going to get into it right quick. You're from Omaha, Nebraska. Omaha, Nebraska. That's right. And you never left.

What's special about Omaha to Terrence Carlson? Omaha is home. Omaha is special just like any other city that any other athlete came up out of. You hear a lot of athlete and a lot of people say, oh, well, I'm from Philly, I'm from Chicago, Detroit or Texas, whatever, so forth. I'm from Nebraska, I'm from Omaha and that's what I put on for

and that's where I give the most hope to the youth at. Did you ever, when you were growing up, like man, I can't wait to get out Omaha because you see a lot of people like you come man I couldn't I can't wait to leave this I can't wait to leave that but it seemingly as you mentioned this is home is very special place and I'm not so sure you ever wanted to leave Omaha. No I just always said I can't wait to make it from Omaha. Okay okay.

Because Omaha is not a hotbed for boxing. Omaha is a place where when I used to go to national tournaments and we got the Nebraska team they'd be like, oh we got one, we got one. Got an easy one. We got an easy one today. You know what I mean? So I wanted to change that narrative. You know, I mean? So I want to change that narrative. Right. You know, I did that 10 times.

Well. Describe Omaha for people that's never been to Omaha, that doesn't live in Omaha, for the people that's gonna watch this, gonna listen to this, describe Omaha to them. Well, first and foremost, it's black people in Omaha. Besides you and your family? See, that's what I was here.

So let's get that out there. A lot of people, when you say you from Omaha, they be like, is black people in Omaha? What Gabrielle Union from Omaha, Malcolm X from Omaha? Malcolm X, great. Warren Buffet. Omaha is a place where it's not as fast as the bigger cities, but we have the same things like any other big city. We got crime, we got nice parts, we got the, you know.

Not so nice parts. Not so nice parts, but you know, Omaha is a great place that you can raise a family at. It's a nice place to visit. Omaha is where it's at to me. You and I was having a conversation off camera. You said you got seven kids and you're like, man, tell me this. Where would you want to raise your kids? You're like, LA is too fast, New York is too crowded, X, Y, and Z. You said Omaha, that's the best place that I can raise my kids. For sure. When I look at cities and I say,

all right, what I want to raise my kid in that city, in that type of environment, I'd be like, no. You know, I don't want to shield them, but at the same time, I want to kind of protect them from the world that could be a negative vibe. Like Colorado Springs as well. You know, Colorado Springs kind of reminds me of Omaha type city, but the best thing about Colorado Springs

is you can go to Denver and go to a football game and go to an NBA. Ain't nothing but the Olympic boxing, the Olympic training facility and the Air Force Academy. Right. That's it. And the Army base. Yeah.

For a car. But then I can go back and chill. Right. You know, see some deers in the morning, see a bear here and there. You know, I like the wildlife. Right. So describe your neighborhood.

What was Bud Crawford's neighborhood like? Oh, my neighborhood was fun. You had all kinds of kids in the neighborhood. Was it mainly black? Was it mixed? It was black, it was black. Mainly blacks running around the neighborhood. We fighting, we being friends the next day.

We all playing sports together. We either on different teams and playing football or we on the same team. We all get our pads together and go in the field across the street and be seeing who can run who over, or we playing, you know, killer man, two way in touch, or, you know, just being kids, you know, walking around the corner trying to get on the girls. My neighborhood was fun, but you don't see neighborhoods like that no more.

Nah. Well, did you experience racism? I mean, it's just a natural thing. People think, like you said, you're like, okay, there are black people in Omaha, there are black people in Omaha and in Nebraska, contrary to what you might have heard or what you might perceive.

So did you ever experience or come in contact with any racism? Never, never. I can't remember one time where I actually can say that I experienced a person calling me out my name. Right. Wow. Now, bias, yes.

Being rude, yes. But a person like, you there, you this and that, never. Wow. Never. I can't say that. And then, for the most part, North Omaha is primarily black. You mentioned Warren Buffett being from Omaha. Have you ever met Warren Buffett? Yeah, plenty of times. He give you some great advice?

Yeah, Warren cool. Warren cool, he chill. You know, We sit there, we have little meetings, little conversations, and he drink his Coca Cola and eat his popcorn, and he's just like a regular person. When people look at Warren, they be like, oh man, this guy is so smart, got so much money, but he's just a regular person like us, you know

How has been from Omaha being from the neighborhood that you're from that upbringing? How is that shaped the man we see sitting here today? I think it made me more humble. I think it made me more reserved in a sense of not trying to Get all up into the hype. When you see people from LA, they all want to be Hollywood. They all want to dress a certain way. When you say way with New York, everybody, I got to have these on, I got to do this, I got to do that.

In other cities, they wanna be rappers, you know. Oh, I gotta have all the jewelry, and I gotta have all the rings and the bling, and you know, I gotta spend all my money on cars because that's what people like. And I think being from Omaha has kept me grounded to the point where, you know, I'm more business minded than worried about what everybody else thinks. When you were growing up in Omaha, did you see, because a lot of times in LA you saw people with fancy cars and jewelry and nice clothes, same thing in New York and a lot of other cities.

Did you see anybody in Omaha that had jewelry, that had nice cars, that dressed a certain type of way that you like, man, I'll give me some money, I'm going to do that? Of course. I think all of us have growing up, but I was taught at an early age, if you can have this car and this car, they both gonna get to the destination at the same time. So if you wanna spend $500,000 on this car

that's gonna depreciate, and it's not an asset, or do you wanna spend $20,000 on this car that's going to depreciate, and it's not an asset, or do you want to spend $20,000 on this car that's going to work just as well as this car and cost less to fix it up, and then buy you some assets on the side, and then plan for your future, or you can live for now. Raised by a single mom.

How much of a challenge was that? Did you notice that, you know, being a single mom and there are probably financial struggles, I don't know, you know, what was it, what was your, you know, what she did for a living, but was it hard? Did you know that, man, my friends might have something or did you go without meals? Did you clothing?

So what was that? Your upbringing as far as being a single, you know, being raised by a single parent? Well, my upbringing was was was was cool because I had a family that supportive. OK, you know, extended family. Yeah, for sure. My aunts, my uncles, things like that. My cousins. My mom, you know, was married. You know, my dad was in the military.

So he would always send money home every month, but at the same time, you know, sometimes that wouldn't be enough. So I couldn't get the clothes that I want. I couldn't get the shoes that I want. So in doing so, I would always get in fights because people would talk about my clothes. People always talk about my shoes.

So I'm like, all right, I done had the jokes. You had the hands on the bun. I done had a joke. So you know what I mean? When people calling me Dark Vader, calling me oil spill and stuff like that. And then everybody laughing, see you would've been the person I punched.

I'd have been like, oh, so it's funny, huh? I got you. But that's the thing. What Hopper Trish try to figure out. You will get mad at the guy laughing. You get mad. Why the guy you get mad at the guy laughing? I didn't tell the joke.

Because you would be the one that drags it out. So say me and you. You my homie. You bagging on me, you got the right because we friends. You know what I mean? But you, who is this dude? Why you laughing? He just, ah, ah, ah, now everybody else laughing because they laughing at how he dragging it out. Now everybody laughing at you. Ah! Ah!

Ah! So you got into it a lot growing up at the kid house. I fought a lot. I fought a lot. So, you fight in school, you fight outside of school. Right. When did you, when did your mom say, hey son, you gotta, you gotta, hey, you gotta channel this.

Let's, let's get you into something that you can channel this this anger What what do you think this stem from? My dad and I've been there, you know, and I and my mom wasn't the one that got me in boxing really really So the owner of the gym lived right behind me. Okay, so me being in a neighborhood Run around the neighborhood, running around the neighborhood bad, he would always try to get all the little kids to do something positive.

So he had boxing down there, he had singing, he had dancing, talent shows, tickets to go sell raffle tickets, so we can have some money. And he was a big influence person in the community. Still is, still is that. He was a big influence person in the community. Still is, still is. Okay. He stopped me and a couple of friends

and asked if we wanted a box. I ran home like, hey man, some stranger just pulled up in the back trying to talk to me. You know, he knocking on the door and when he come in, everybody greeting him. I'm like, this the dude I'm telling y'all about. They like, oh, well your dad and your uncle boxed for him. Yeah.

Right. So boxing kind of ran in your family. So your uncle boxed, your dad boxed. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. So that was you pre-dead, so you had no choice but to be a boxer. For sure, definitely. So my mom asked me did I want to go and I told her yeah. So go down there, start boxing, I get threw up. Why you got thrown up? So the coach and me bumped heads because I was this kid like, you're not about to be cussing at me. Oh, okay. Yelling at me, telling me, get your little bad ass over there and

do them pushups. Like, who you talking to? You ain't my daddy. Like, you ain't about to be cussing at me. So we'd clash and kick me out. So I'm like, whatever. I come back to the gym. I'm hitting a speed bag.

He like, then I tell you little badass don't just be hitting them bags without no gloves and this and that and this. And I'm, I start arguing with him again. I'm like, man, this ain't your gym, man. It's Carl Jim. You know, you're just a coach here. We arguing, we bumping heads. Man, he kicked me out. I was out for like five years. Damn. Yeah. Cause I didn't care. I just went to the other sports. Right.

You know, and in 2002, they made these little pamphlets with my face on it. Like I'm some kind of feed your children. You gotta see it. Come on, man. Hey, man, it goes Come on, man. Hey, man. It goes CW needs you. And I'm on now.

As she lifts and all. And it's like they trying to sell me. So I come back. You know, I'm like, man, I'm not boxing, man. So everybody just all trying to get me to come back. My guy, Racendo, he Mexican, he was boxing at the time and he was running through all the little kids in a gym. And they like, man, when you was here, you was the baddest little kid in there.

But man, we got this little Mexican down there called the Body Sniper. He dropping everything. And I'm like, man, I don't care what y'all talking about, man. I'll come in there and whoop him. So we going back and forth and we got this thing called Family Night that we throw to raise money for the gym. And they like, well, we got Family Night. Come down there.

I'm like, what? I come down there. They like, ah, man, you ain't coming down there, you scared. What I'm scared for, so they basically challenged me to come back to the gym. So I come down there, he getting out the ring, he had already sparred, I was mad. I'm like, man, I came all the way down here

and he already getting out the gym, I didn't see him fighting or nothing. They like, well, come back to the gym. So I come back to the gym I'm like, all right, let's sport and miss all about you know, when you guys I'm like, oh But I'm older now I'm like, all right, so then I started training and I've been back every since did you uh, Did you take back over the gym? Oh boy drop you boy, drop you? No, I didn't drop nothing. He knocked the wind out of me.

He didn't drop that. But we always compete. Right. And, you know, that definitely took me to the next level. Your story's very unique because you grew up in a very matriarchal. Mom, grandma, aunt, sister. What was that like?

Because you said a lot of, you believe a lot of your trouble stemmed from not having your father there, not having that dominant male figure for the time being until the boxing coaches came into your life. So what was it like? So your mom, I mean, normally sometimes, like you said, you do it,

it's something about a father's voice. That sternness, that firmness that you know, that you're like, okay, he mean business. Oh, mom, you play. I'm going to go and do what I want to do. I don't believe you. Nah, my mom was tough. What? Man, I used to get whooped all the time.

My mom wasn't having it. But the thing is, it was hard because I didn't have no brothers. I had older cousins, but I didn't have no brothers. So in the household with just you and your two sisters and your mom at work and your sisters really don't like you, they really ain't messing with you. And it's like, you just sitting there like, man, what I'm going to do? Every time I go in there, I'm getting beat up because they don't want me in their room. I can't say nothing to them because they think I go in there, I'm getting beat up because they don't want me in their room. I can't say nothing to them because they think I'm bothering them

when I'm really bored, you know what I mean? I'm trying to talk to somebody. I'm trying to talk to somebody. Yeah, I'm using up what somebody can have a conversation. So it's just like, all right, man, I'm leaving the house. So then it got to the point where I started leaving the house. My mom asked me, where you at? I'm at the fishing pond, I'm fishing.

I'm getting in trouble. I'm shooting pavilions up with BB guns and things like that, getting in trouble. And that's when the trouble started. The 40s and Free Agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL draft. We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason. And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.

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Transitioning from me just sitting in the house to me, then I saw. Right. You say you're dead with the military. How often did you see your dad? My dad used to come like probably once, twice a year. Cause he'd be out to sea for like six months. Wow, so he's in the Navy. Yeah.

Dude, that also shaped you. I used to flip out. When you see? Man, when he leave. Oh. So, cause it's crazy. Cause my dad, like when he used to come home, he used to be home for like five days.

That's it? Man, you going for like six to be home for like five days. That's it? Man, you're going for like six months. And home for five days. I figured at least two weeks. Because he lived in Virginia. Oh, OK. So he lived in Virginia, and we lived in Omaha. So I used to flip out.

It used to be so bad, where they used to take me out of school to go send my dad off, because I'd flip out. Right. You know? Did you ever want to go with him? Did you ever want to go send my dad off because I'd flip out. Right. You know, and that. Did you ever want to go with him? Did you ever want to go back to Virginia with him? Yeah, yeah for sure. Your mom said no.

No, she ain't about to send her kids out there. So we actually did go, me and my sister. Okay. You know, my mom was like, all right, forget it. You know, here, Titi and Bud, y'all want to go out there so bad? My other sister, she don't care. She don't care about none of that. So we go out there and they had a hurricane.

It was bad. You know what I mean? Tore up the trees and stuff. We didn't have no lights, no water, nothing for like, man, two weeks, but it lasted for like a month. Right. And at two weeks, my mom was like, man, send my motherfucking kids back home. So then we moved back home.

Right. We ain't never go back to Regina. Do you think you would have become the bud that we see here today had your father been in your life? Because it seemed like a lot of times chaos and turmoil shapes us into the people. We don't see it at the time, but a lot of that anger and what you had, you was able to channel it, you was able to focus it and become a multi-world champion. How different do you think your life would have been had your dad been there every single

day? How I think my life would have been? How different would your life have been now? Definitely different. You know, I definitely think I'll still be- You'll still be a World Champ? But I think, you know what I mean, I'll be more successful in life. Really?

Yeah. Like, my dad was like way different. Really? Yeah, like I think I got in more trouble being that he wasn't there. Because when I got to a certain age, it was like, mom, you ain't whooping me no more. You better put that belt down, I don't know what you raising that belt for.

And being that my dad never whooped me, he always talked to me and gave me a solution. Oh, okay. You know, you're like, AT, why you doing that? He always wanted to know why. me a solution. You know, you're like, A.T., why you doing that? He always wanted to know why. My mom, she didn't care. She was just like, oh, so you want to do this? Why, why, why, why?

Oh, you think you a man, huh? So it didn't got to the point where I go to school, you say something I don't like. Damn, bud! Because that's what I was taught as a kid. If I said something that my mom didn't like, I was getting my ass whooped. If I did something that my mom didn't like,

I was getting my ass whooped. So every time it was something negative, I was getting my ass whooped. So I carried that on in my life when I was with my peers. Right. What? Say something, Oh, really? Because that's all I knew.

Right. Did you feel your mom, did you feel like it was excessive? Did you feel your mom sometimes whooped you for no reason? Because you said that sometimes you would just say stuff and it was boom. If you did something, boom. You like, damn mom, I can't do anything. Did you feel like you couldn't do anything right?

No, no. You feel like you deserved every ass whoopie you got. Hell no. Hell no. It was a lot of times that I didn't even do shit and my mom be like, oh, I know your ass was gonna do something. But the crazy thing about it is I'm a mama's boy.

Right. You know, and my mom like used to shield me from everybody like, nah, he ain't going nowhere. He can't go. I'd be like, why? Nah, because everybody was like, I was bad. So she was always like, nah, you're going to stay here. My mom prayed for me.

She used to always say, I always prayed for her. My two sisters is light skinned. I always prayed for a black son. I want the black son. My dad light skinned, and my two sister light skinned. I'm a black son. I want the black son. My dad likes Kenan, my two sister likes Kenan. I'm her black son. So she always, like me and my mom was like this. But when my mom and my dad started getting into it, that's when she, you look like your

dad, you just black. So it's like, my dad give me a trouble. You know what I mean? But my mom, that's my heart. When you were growing up, did your mom tell you she loved you? Did she hug you? No, no, she ain't all that love and all that stuff. It was tough love.

Well, you had a roof over your head, you had food, that clothes, that's love. Yeah, so, yeah, ain't no love. She been through. I asked her, I was like, man, what's up with, why you don't ever tell me love? She just said, man, I don't like that word. She like, I been through a lot in my life and you know what I mean, love, love hurts.

Do you remember the first time she told you she's proud of you? It was when I been grown. It was probably like 2017, 18. Damn bud! That's recently! Hey dog, for real like, she... My mom is not affectionate.

Okay. You know what I mean? So she not about to be all, I love you, Right. Kissing you and stuff like that. Yeah. Nah, she ain't, all right. You do something, all right, I see.

You know what I mean? Did that motivate you? Of course. Because a lot of times, people, a lot of times we want that. We want the person, that validation from the person that we respect and love the most. We just want to hear one time

I'm proud of you. Damn. I love you. You're doing good Is that what you saw from your mom? Of course, of course everything that I did like when I start Doing right in school and not getting kicked out. She like by time They have like sisters they get put on this pedal stool. You know what I mean? She made the honor roll and it's, all right, mama got A's and B's. You in the Art Turner school. I'm like, God damn.

You know what I mean? You're supposed to have good grades. Who great, right? So yeah, but for sure, man, like I used to get into it with my mom and be like, one day I'm gonna be champion of the world. Watch. Watch. When you told her that, what did she say?

You ain't gonna be shit. She be like, yeah, you gonna be just like your daddy. But the one thing that I noticed, like when I come home, you know, and I had that belt on my shoulders, you know, she had had that belt and she'd be telling everybody, look what my son won. Look what my son won. She never told you, but she told everybody else through her actions how proud she was

of you. Yeah. But I wanted to- You wanted her to hear it? You wanted her to hear it? You want, you want, tell me. Yeah, yeah, don't, don't, don't, don't floss my belt. You know what I mean? Come and, come and praise me. Right.

You know, so I just looked at it like, you know, my mom loved me like wholeheartedly. Right. She just used that reverse psychiatrist to prove her wrong. Right. Because she knew that's what I needed to be successful. I read that your mom used to pay the kids in the neighborhood to beat you up. She tried.

They couldn't do it? To try. Because, like I said, it was a neighborhood full of kids. Right. So we all be outside, you know, boxing and putting the gloves on, just like any typical neighborhood. And my mom knew that I was one of them tough kids. So she would, hey, if you can whoop him,

I'll give you $5. You know what I mean? Anybody get paid? Ain't nobody whooping. You know what I mean? Because she just knew her son was tough. Coming from a boxing family, she wanted to challenge me. Mm-hmm.

You know, so she'd be like, hey, come here, I'll give you five dollars, you can whoop him. And that made them fight harder. Yeah. So, uh. Were any kids, were the kids bigger than you? Were they older than you or were they about your age?

Both. No, I had kids that was older than me, bigger than me. You know what I mean? My age, it didn't matter. It didn't matter. When you a kid, you just throw the gloves on and you just go. Right. So now all of a sudden you make that decision.

Okay, you say, you know what? You've given up the other sports, football, basketball, boxing is gonna be your thing. Do you remember your first fight? Do you remember getting in the ring the first time, whether it's golden gloves or whatever the case may be, the amateur fight, do you remember getting into that ring the first time, whether it's gold and gloves or whatever the case may be, the amateur fight? Do you remember getting into that ring the first time? And what was going through your mind?

Nothing. I was so, I was so like, You that long? I had confidence. I won the first tournament that I came to, came back to, and that was the ringside national. Wow. I won that whole tournament and I had just came back in 2002.als. Wow. I won that whole tournament and I had just came back in 2002. Right.

Wow. So now, okay, boxing is it. Yeah. Because once you got that adrenaline high, you won the whole tournament. It's over, ain't no turning back now, boy. So now you put shift all your focus into boxing. You said, this is what I'm going to be.

I'm going to be a prize fighter. I'm going to be a professional fighter. Not yet. Not yet. Okay. Not yet. I always said I was going to be a world champion, but my mind wasn't there yet. Okay.

You know, I lost in a silver glove nationals and I lost to Michael Dallas Jr. and I remember me trying to fight him and he just out-boxing me. And I'm like, man, stop running. Stop running. I'm like, I want to fight. And then he fought Rasheed Warren the next day and he lost and Rasheed Warren, like everybody was around the ring and they was just going blow for blow. And Rasheed hitting them with all these hooks and I'm like, man, damn, that nigga would have fucked me up.

So right there and there, I'm like, man, I gotta get better. So seeing all the talent in the tournament, I'm like, man, I gotta get better. So I go to the gym and I just train, train, train. And Rosendo, you know, he had just beat Danny Garcia. Okay. You know, Danny Garcia stormed the ring. And every tournament, Danny be like,

where your boy at, where your boy at? You know, when we got a little older. But I was just like, I gotta get better. So every day I'm competing with him. Right. You know, because Danny was a top amateur too day I'm competing with him. Right. You know, because Danny was a top amateur too. I'm competing with him. He running, I'm running.

He doing pushups, I'm doing pushups. He doing pull ups, I'm doing pull ups. So I'm competing and I'm traveling the world and I'm like, man, I can make something out of this. Because I'm hanging in there with these top kids from around the world. Correct. Boom.

I get in the fight. I had to have surgery on my hand. Hold up, not in the boxing match, a street fight outside of the ring. In school. Okay. So boom. And that just stopped me. And they was like, man, you can't box.

And for some months, you gotta wait till hand here. I'm like, man, no, I can't you can't box and for some months you got a weight to your hand here I'm like man. No, I can't do it. So at that time I was already going southpaw, right? But my left wasn't that strong, right? I was just going in because it was just came natural to me. So I was just like work on your left So you're not a natural southpaw? No. You taught yourself. Right. So I was just like, this is your weakness. You know? Like a strength.

So I just started working on it and then I've been focused ever since. You had, I want to know, when did you realize, because sitting here talking to you and we talked in the ring earlier is that it seemed like you had a temper. And the one thing you can't have if you're a professional fighter is a temper because you can't get outside of yourself. How did you learn how to control that? How do you learn how to focus and says, okay, yeah, I'm upset, but let me channel this aggression.

Let me use it for what I know it can be beneficial for me. Oh man, I don't know. Like, my temper was so bad, I used to have to see like, psychiatrists and the shrinks and stuff like that. Damn bud! I used to flip out, man. It was worse. It was, I got kicked off out, man. It was worse. I got kicked off the USA team.

Having fights overseas and stuff against other teammates and getting into it with my teammates and stuff like that. It was just, I don't know, I was just a normal nonsense type of guy. I just didn't know. I was just a normal nonsense type of guy. I just didn't care like, you know, I Honestly think when I had my first son You know that changed my life. Mm-hmm, and I started looking at life different because you know, yeah something live for yeah There you go. I had some to live for and I I stopped not not caring but I start caring a little bit because I

I stopped not not caring, but I started caring a little bit because I Looked at my dad and my situation like I got to be there for him because my dad wasn't there for me. So That's when I when I Sit down told myself man. You got to control yourself My uncle is a pastor. Hmm. So he just put it in perspective of God got something bigger and better for you. You know, you got a bright future, so you got two ways you can go. You can go the right way or you can go the left way. He just gave me an option.

I was just like, I was sitting there and I was just mad. I was just like, man, fuck. And then I was just like, man, all right. I started going to church a little more. And then I started fighting, but I wasn't fighting that much. So I was really getting down on myself because I'm like, man, man, I'm not getting no fights. Like I got to go back in the streets. I got to hustle.

I'm like, man, what I'm going to do? You know what I mean? I'm like, man, what I'ma do? You know what I mean? I'm like, man, I told both of them. I said, man, I'm about to quit boxing. I was like, man, boxing ain't paying me. It ain't putting no beer, it ain't putting no food on, it ain't even doing nothing. Yeah, and it's like,

God just started making things happen. I went to training camp with Tim Bradley. Wow. You know, and that's the start of everything. I sparred Tim Bradley, and he like, man, you ain't no sparring partner. I'm laughing and he was like, man, is he looking at me like, no. No, real talk. You can-

You're not a spar- you're a world champion. Wow. He was like, you a world champion. And I'm like, I'm like, man, I just want to fight, right? He like, so they not giving me no fights. When the last time I said, man, I only fought like two times and four, two years. I'm like, I probably fought two, four times in four years, two years. Wow.

And they was four rounders. So I'm really not making no money. Fighting for pennies and stuff like that. I'm like, man, I can't be training in boxing and you know. Not making no money. It gotta make sense. Yeah, so it was just like, I told Bo, man, I'm about to quit.

So they called Bo, he sent me down there, talked to Tim. Tim called our manager up and he like, what y'all gonna do with him? He was like, cause I buy him out of this contract right now. He was like, y'all don't know what y'all gonna do with him. He was like, because I buy him out of this contract right now. He was like, y'all don't know what y'all sitting on. Y'all sitting on this dude and this dude is cold. So Cameron was like, don't nobody want to fight him and he can't get no fights and this and that and this. And so I went down to California. I was supposed to fight on a Golden Boy show. They was going to sign me.

The guy comes to the weigh-ins and say, man, that's Terrence Crawford. I know him. I know him from the amateurs. He was ranked number one. I'm not fighting him. Damn. Straight like that.

I didn't make weight and everything. I'm at 135 and I'm like, man. He like, I'm not fighting. He left. He left. So I'm stuck with no opponent. They didn't give me no money. So the guy at 140, they had a scientist guy. So they had all this little money and his opponent didn't even show up. So he's undefeated, but he fight at 140. I'm undefeated, I fight at 135. I go to gold meds and I'm like, hey, let us fight. I fight him.

You know what I mean? I fight him. And he like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm like, whoever win, get to sign. You sign. He already signed with you, but if I win, you sign me. And if he lose, you cut him. Right.

They like, no, we got too much money in him. And I'm like, all right, cool. You know what I mean? Send me home. I don't even want to watch the fight, send me home. So they send me home. That's how I got with Tyra. You know, Tyra gave me the opportunity

and it's been up ever since. Wow. You know, we were talking in the ring earlier today. Why people don't tell us no more? You know, back in the day, people just, hey, you took ass whipping, you took ass whipping. Now ain't nobody try to take no ass whipping. They gonna let them fangs off on you.

You know why? Why? Social media. Really? You know, back in the days, if you wasn't there... You ain't know who lost. A person could be like, man, I whooped him. He was bleeding. I whooped him.

Lied his ass off. He was bleeding, but he whooped you. You got one good head. Now, you know, social media then came to a point where it humiliates a person forever. Yeah. You know, they always can bring up that, man, look at this. Remember, you got... then came to a point where it humiliated a person forever. They always can bring up that, man, look at this. Remember, you got me. You're mean forever.

Mean. And can't nobody just take a L no more. Don't nobody want to take a L. They ain't even worried about even the thought of them fighting on the streets no more. Man, I'm about to shoot you. You got kids that's like 11 years old carrying guns, talking about, man, my ops.

I'm like, bro, you're supposed to be in school. You know? And what make it so bad, they gonna knock you off and they gonna go to this little juvenile detention center and they gonna get out and they gonna be like, hey man, I caught a body when I was 11. And they scoffered because they're not programmed, their mind, their brain is not developed enough to give them life. And they only doing what they see and they hear and what they're told to do.

So they following behind these young adults that's having these parents, I mean these kids at a young age that don't talk to my kids like that. Don't say that to my kids. Don't correct my kids because they're not your kids. So they let their kids do whatever they want. Because they did whatever they want. And-hmm, you know because they did whatever they want And then that's how the society wrote Yeah

Cuz when I was growing up the community cause you know a it didn't have to be a relative you acting up Somebody that was older than you could tell your tailor Oh, I and then go home and tell your grandma your mom and you get another beating now Exactly what you said don't talk to my child, you're not his dad. I said, okay, you don't want me to correct him, there's somebody there, there's a place that they'll send him that he'll get corrected.

It's no respect. When you look at today's world, the older people is kind of scared of the younger people because the younger people is trying to make a name for themselves. Mm-hmm. You know, it's not no, oh, let me respect my elders. Yeah.

It's like, man, if you don't get your old ass out of here, it's going to lay you down. You know, and it wasn't like that back in the days. Right. It's like, hey man, chill out, man. All right. All right. You mentioned that all the things that you went through and that you

talked to people about the anger issues and the trauma. What would be some of the advice, Bud, if somebody was going through something very similar to what Bud Crawford grew up in, an environment and what he had to deal with, what was some of the advice you would partake on these? I just tell them, you know, always be positive and you need the right role models to look up to. You know, and the people that's going to come down and grab you by the wing and, you know, show you the ropes.

I think those people is very important because I had my coaches, I had my uncles and things like that. If I didn't have certain individuals in my life, I don't know how my life would have turned out. So I'll just tell them, you know, stay positive and pick and choose who you hang out with and who you allow your kids to be around, you know. Is it true that you didn't want wanna fight in the Olympics? Never.

Why? Cause that never was my dream. You know, I always wanted to be a world champion. Right. You know, I never wanted to be an Olympic gold medalist. And I wanted to be. And a lot of people, it's the other way around. A lot of people like, I wanna be a gold medalist.

And then they parlay that you look at Sugar Ray, you look at Ali, and you look at Frazier, you look at Foreman, and you look at a lot of people, it's the other way around. A lot of people like, I want to be a gold medalist. And then they parlay that you look at Sugar Ray, you look at Ali, you look at Frazier, you look at Foreman, and you look at a lot of, you know, Mark Breeland, the 84 team, I don't know how closely you follow. That was the greatest boxing team ever assembled. Mildred Taylor and Sweet Pete Whitaker and all those guys. So that's odd that you said that. I'm a leader, not a follower.

So I never want to be like nobody else. I wanted to be a world champion. I wanted to go make money. When I look at the Olympics, you get a couple of hundred thousand, if that, where you look at... I always envisioned, but I was wrong. If you on TV, you making all this money and all this. It ain't true, huh? It wasn't true, you know, but when I got to a certain level,

then I started making the type of money that I thought I would be making. But I always thought being on TV. Got you paid. Yeah, yeah, got you paid, but it wasn't true because when I was coming up, I was mad because I seen all the people that graduated from the amateurs into the pro ranks, was all on TV. Danny Garcia, Danny Jacobs, you know what I mean?

All these fighters getting they shinin'. And I'm like, man, these people can't, even people that wasn't even close to on my level, I'm like, man, this dude, how you get on TV and this dude ain't even close. Look at this dude, like I will be so frustrated that my career wasn't going away. Yeah, and I always put in the work. You know, it don't matter what anybody can tell you. I'll be in the streets with the homies and I'll be like, all right, y'all gotta go. I'm riding my bike to the gym. Or I'm getting a ride to the gym. I always made it to the gym no matter what. I don't care what we was doing. You know, I always made it to the gym. That's why I always say, I always put it into work,

but I didn't see the results until God said, it's time for you to see the results. You know, so it was tough. Like, I never want to be an Olympic gold medalist. I want to be a world champion to make money. Money. Explain this to me. You undefeated as a pro, you had 12 losses in the amateurs. How the hell that happened?

Man, amateurs is amateurs. Anything can happen. You know, I lost my first two fights, you know, when I was a little kid. Then, you know, losing in national tournaments and things like that. It happens. Losing not been in shape, losing fights that, you know what I mean, because you from Omaha, Nebraska, and this guy from bigger city by one point, losing one point here, one point there, you know, it's politics. Politics plays a big factor in amateur boxing.

Why didn't you become frustrated and give up? I wanted to You know, but my coaches like I said, they kept me motivated You know Bo always told me man a bow and just just keep crying. It's gonna get greater later You know don't don't don't give up, you know and me having the faith and a belief in them You know and trust in the faith and the belief in them, you know, and trusting the process. I just kept going. You wanted to fight Manny Pacquiao. I think you were like 27, 28 when you wanted to fight Pac. Why didn't that fight happen?

I don't, man, I hear so many excuses like they didn't want it. But Freddie Roach on the record saying he didn't want Pacquiao to fight for one. And I just think top rank wanted to protect Pacquiao because of the money issue. That was their cash cow. But hell, you could have been their cash cow. Listen, they don't think like that. So they didn't wanna mess up the money

that they was getting from Pacquiao at the time. So other reasons, I don't know. What weight were you guys gonna fight at? 140. 140. Yeah. 140, so I fought Darry Jeannie, and they said, you know, that was the marketing tool.

Crawford beat Jerry Gene, he's gonna potentially fight Manny Pacquiao. Jerry Gene was one of Pacquiao's sparring partners. I stopped Jerry Gene. It's like, I don't know. You don't know if I'm gonna fight him. So I had to move on. Do you believe you'd have been, had you fought Pacquiao, done what you thought you think or know you could have done,

do you think that would have sped up the process of Bud Crawford being in the position that he's in currently? Of course, of course. Like I said before, you know, I didn't have the Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Sugar Shane Mosley, and those guys that was marquee names in the sport of boxing to pass the torch. Mm-hmm. Nobody passed the torch to Terrence Crawford. He took it out. Right. When you look at my career, I paved my own way. Mm-hmm.

I didn't piggyback off of any fighter. You know, I paved my own way. I didn't piggyback off any fighter. I fought my way up to the top. When you look at any fighter, from Floyd Mayweather to any of them, when Floyd fought Delahoyah, that was a whole big thing. He wanted to fight Delahoyah, but Top Rain didn't want to give him Delahoyah, really, at initially. But when they met up, Floyd was the B side, and he beat Delahoyah, and then he started rising to the top. This concludes the first half of my conversation.

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