Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Terence ‘Bud’ Crawford Part 2

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

Welcome back to part 2 of our conversation with Terence 'Bud' Crawford. The conversation takes a deeper dive into Crawford’s philosophy on boxing, business, and legacy. He touches on the brutal realities of the fight game, comparing boxing to pit bulls fighting for entertainment. He critiques the current state of boxing, emphasizing how fighters today are less willing to take risks, fearing that one loss will tarnish their careers. Crawford discusses the failed potential fight with Manny Pacquiao, a bout that he believes could’ve skyrocketed his career much sooner. He talks about the challenges of getting marquee fights, including dealing with promoters and the political side of boxing, especially when it comes to his fight with Errol Spence. Throughout it all, Crawford reflects on how his mentality has shifted from seeking fame and fortune to building generational wealth and securing a lasting legacy for his family. He gives his candid take on today’s hottest fighters —including Ryan Garcia, Gervonta “Tank” Davis, and Devin Haney. When asked about crossover fights, Crawford doesn’t hold back on his opinion about the Mike Tyson vs Jake Paul showdown. Crawford also reflects on his own potential to fight Jake Paul. Terence also opens up about his run-ins with Trey Songz and Jeezy, and shows major respect for Claressa Shields. This episode also touches on Crawford’s perspective on modern-day boxing and the changing landscape of the sport. He reveals his admiration for fighters like Roy Jones Jr. and Floyd Mayweather while stressing that his focus remains on creating his own path. Terence opens up about his future in the ring and beyond. From his ambitions to move up in weight to potentially face Canelo, to his thoughts on the changing dynamics in boxing, Crawford’s commitment to being the best, both in and out of the ring, is clear. In a sport where many are content with just winning, Crawford has his eyes set on something bigger: leaving a lasting legacy and providing for future generations. With a mix of raw honesty, inside knowledge of the fight game, and an unforgettable look at the mindset of a true champion, this episode is not one to miss! #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you for coming back. Part two is underway. Why don't you think older vet great fighters want to give these young and up-and-comers an opportunity? I don't think it's that they want to give them. It's just the opportunity. You know, they pay you a lot of money probably for taking the risk.

You know, and some older fighters wanna test, test theyself and see if they still got it. And it's a business. Everybody know what we're doing it for. We like pit bulls. You know, you see a pit bull, they got their ring, they got their judge, and you, and they got the crowd around them to send them out there to kill each other.

That's the same way with us. Then this pit bull lose, oh, they kick him out. I can't use you no more. And the promoters, it's the same way. When you lose, the promoters don't want nothing to deal with you no more. You know what? That's where I was going.

Because it seemed, if you remember, if you go back and look at the 70s, they were heavyweights dominated, they fought. Ali fought Frazier and Norton fought this one and Foreman fought that one and Shavers and so forth and so on. And then you had the 80s and you had the Four Kings and they fought.

God, why they don't wanna to fuck? I mean it money you can make money It's all about money. You know me at the end of the day when you look at The politics They all say oh well this promoter got these fighters this promoter got these fighters, this promoter got these fighters. I don't want to share it with you. You don't want to share it with me. So I'm going to house all these fighters, unless some drastic amount of money can come and then we can both be successful on this fight.

But I don't want to give you leverage in your fighter taking my fighter's title. Now, I don't have no title. I don't have no leverage now. So if I have six well-to-weight contenders like PBC had, and you got two, well, yeah, two, because Manny Pacquiao left Top Rank and went to PBC. You got two, Jeff Horn and Terrence Crawford. I fight Jeff Horn, they freeze me out. They fight each other. While I'm just sitting there like, hey man, I want to fight him. Ah, no, no, you on the wrong side of the street. Wow. I want to fight him. I know you want to run side of the street Wow I want to fight him now you on the wrong side of the street

Where the fuck did a wrong side of the street come in to play in a sport of boxing? You know, that's high high goes but then when you know, it makes sense Manny Pacquiao Floyd Mayweather then the two parties can come together right make it happen because it's enough because so much money is involved Because so because I was looking at it like this and it seemed like Florida and I love Floyd But it seemed like everybody was afraid to have that Oh to have a one or two where the old used to be because so now and and like you said like bro a Promoter don't want you anymore And maybe people don't think you is as good as you once was you don't have that, don't have that unblemished mark.

But it didn't used to be like that, Terrence. For Ali, lost. Sugar Ray lost, Hagler lost, Hearns lost. These guys lost. When did the O become the end all be all? I think Mayweather, you know, and how I think Mayweather, you know, and how he made it big to the public. Like, 47 and tried, 47 and a half failed, and then it got all the way to 50, and it's like, you know. Break Marciano's record. Now that I retired, I'm blemished.

Andre Ward, I'm blemished. You know, Joe Calzani. Kazaghi. I'm blemished. You know, and it's like when people look at him, they be like, man, that dude never lost before. You know, people can't say that. You know, a lot of people can't say that.

When you look at it, like Ali, Roy Jones Jr., you know, a lot of people can't say that when you look at it, like Ali, Roy Jones Jr., you know, all the grades back in the day, they lost. But that's something that Joe Kalzage, Andre Ward, Floyd Mayweather, they can say, I never lost. So now when the kids looking up to them, they say, man, I want to be like, damn, I don't want to lose. I don't want to lose because now society has shaped things to where if a fighter lose, they talk so bad about, oh, he's a bum, I knew he was overrated. Y'all hyped him up and now they got to hear it.

But back in the day, they didn't have social media. You know what I mean? So all that wasn't in their face, but now it's in their face. They see it, they hear it, and it's like, you know, who want to go through that? So fighters are like, man, they picking and choosing. And I don't want to fight him because, you know, it's a- There's a chance. Unless-

The money's sold. Right. You know, so it plays a big- If I take Floyd Mayweather in his absolute prime, and I take Manny Pacquiao in his absolute prime. Floyd Mayweather. Floyd still beats him? Floyd beat everybody.

You don't believe there is a guy at 140, 147, in the history of boxing that could have beat Floyd in his prime? I don't know, but it'd be tough. It'd be tough. Floyd, man, that boy, man, that's the gold, man. That boy bad. That boy bad.

What makes a boy, I mean, what because, and I told people this, look at Floyd. I said Floyd is not that he trains, I mean, it's his life. And from the very beginning, he's like, I want to be the best. And I look at Floyd, Floyd is not a naturally big man. So Floyd like you to get down to 147, you got to drop 20 pounds, 25 pounds. No, he walked around at his weight. He walked around at 150. So he losing three pounds, Floyd going to camp for like two weeks and he done made his weight. But what makes Floyd the best, so unique, something that

we have not seen before? His defense, his instincts. I think Floyd had the best defense in boxing history. Better than Sweet Pea? Yeah, definitely. Because you know Sweet Pea had some defense. Sweet Pea had defense, but he didn't have offense like Floyd.

I look at, I say he got more defense than Sweet Pea because he got hit less. Yes. You know, Sweet Pea had more head movement. So he was, Sweet Pea was better at slipping punches, making you miss. But Floyd on defense, like catch, bam, bam, bam, bam. Yeah.

You know, Floyd hands down. Then making you pay, catching Connor, catching, slipping, you know what I mean? Like hitting you with shots that you don't see. That's where Floyd Master, you know, hit and not get hit. And you look at the people that he beat. I mean, people are always, just go back and look at those world champions from the Codos

and the Pacquiao, the Ricky Hattons, the Arturo Gaudis. I mean, like 20 plus world champs. I ain't talking about no, they legit world champs. And he beat them all. And he was calling for them all in A prime, you know, so I don't know, man. A lot of people, they give them credit now, but they didn't give him credit when he was active It's kind of like it's kind of like

Muhammad Ali. Yeah, they hated him when he was active. They loved him when he retired and when he got a loss They hated Tyson when Tyson was active, but once he got a loss and he retired then they loved him You know everybody want to Everybody wanna see you lose because they want you to feel like you more human. They don't want you to be superior to other fighters, especially fighters that they like. So they just like, man, I don't like that guy. I see so many people on social media

that say they don't like me. What? But don't have a reason. Right. I don't like Crawford, but I hope him and Canelo have a good fight. Okay. What is there not to like about them?

Are they, maybe you run into the same thing Floyd. People, I believe people, a lot of people started watching Floyd fight to see him lose. Do you think people tune in to watch you lose, to see you lose? Definitely. But you don't care a lot about that paper view, you good.

Hey, I don't care what you think about me. I don't care what you say about me. You're not in the position that I'm in to even be on the same level of me. And I don't say that in a cocky way, I say that in an honest way. People at a basketball game, you talking stuff to LeBron James and you can't do half of what LeBron James and you can't do half of what LeBron James. You talking stuff about Aaron Rodgers and you can't throw a 30-yard football.

We criticize athletes for stuff that we can't even do. And it's just like, man, come on now, man. You come up in here, get punched up in the head, or you try to go run a- Go across the middle. Go across the middle while Brett Farr throw a 90 mile football that'll break your fingers and uh,

Lynch about to come and take your head off. Right. So you gotta brace, cause you about to get hit, the ball going fast, and you expect me to catch it every single time. Yeah. People don't understand the things that we do and the things that we take our body through

to entertain y'all. Right. But y'all disrespect us. We not human. So then when we lash out on one of y'all. You know, but y'all disrespect us like we not human. So then when we lash out on one of y'all, y'all think, Oh, everybody like, Oh, you're supposed to be professional, but we human. Floyd paid you the ultimate compliment. He says, Terrence Crawford is the best pound for pound fighter fighting right now. What's your relationship like with Floyd? Oh, we got a good relationship. I'm cool with Floyd. You know, Floyd just randomly called me, you know, asked me how my family doing, asked me how I'm doing. Don't even talk about boxing.

Wow. It's just, all right, I was just checking up on you, champ. You know, seeing how you doing, and you know, making sure everybody good, and things like that. And all right, I'll talk to you later. Wow. You know, things like that. That mean more to me than calling me, hey man, what's up with boxing?

You know? I was at this fight, and I told you this, I was at the fight that you fought spence And i'm sure you heard it man spence has spence not gotten that card today, bud Man, you know you fought that man three man. You fought that man three years too late You to call him before that before that accident. I don't know bud How often have you heard that man? I think I said everything that everybody was going to say before they even said it.

I think they just looked at the interviews and the altercation that me and Spence had and just copied and pasted. Right. You know, I hear it a lot. But I was already prepared for it. I was prepared, what, three, four years before you happened. You know, and that's something that I trained my mind to prepare for it, because I knew what it was gonna be.

I said, Spence is a great fighter, I'm a fan of Spence. I've always been a fan of Spence. I watched him in the amateurs. I rooted for him when he represented the United States. I called him on the phone, check on him. I'm a fan of Spence. The people, the urban community, our own people try to turn us against each other and make it to a point where nobody likes each other. Why can't you like me and like him? Ain't nothing wrong with that. And if I like Bud, that don't mean I hate Earl. If I like Earl, that don't mean I hate Bud. And if I like Bud, that don't mean I hate Earl. If I like Earl, that don't mean I hate Bud.

But sometimes it seems to be now, if I like something. I can't like him. But it's only like that in our community. You know, when you look at the Mexican community, they support each other. Yeah, bro. They ride hard for them. When you got two Mexicans fighting each other,

man, the Mexican community wins. They go celebrate whoever. They gonna win. They are. They gonna win. When you see us fight each other, it's not like that. And I just always felt like we are on down for, And I just always felt like we are owned down for,

blacks, Mexicans, rule boxing from the beginning. But we gotta do better with supporting each other and we gotta do better. Another thing we gotta do better with is supporting the ladies. The women fighters? Yeah, the women fighters. You know, you got a lot of women fighters that's doing the same thing that we're doing, going through the same thing that we go through, that's putting on hell of a show.

But we don't support them. You know, you'll see them come to all our fights supporting us bigging us up But everybody one of them girls fight, but some of them girls fight be more exciting than our fights You know, so I just think that we need to just as a boxing community We need to just support each other more and like you said if a person lose It's not the end of the world, right? You know pick back up, You know, some, back in the days, you may one that day, he may come back and beat you. Correct.

You know what I mean? Yep. So you just gotta, you know, give him his just due and, you know, give him the encouragement that it's not over. Right. Instead of beating him while the white down. How long have you had this Canelo fight in your head? Man. I've been thinking about Canelo for like a year now,

probably a little bit after, I mean, after it was spent. Little bit after Spence. A little bit after Spence. When they start talking about Spence and Canelo, I started thinking, like, man, Canelo too big for Spence. Like, you know, cleaning Spence. But then I started looking at it. I'm like, Canelo not that big. Yeah. at it. I'm like, Canelo not that big. You know, he's a smaller fighter that's fighting

in a bigger division. So I started just sizing myself up to Canelo in my head. He's 5'7". I'm 5'8". I got a 74-inch reach. He got like a 60 something. You know, he's wider than me, but that's it. So I'm like, it match up. It matches up. Like I can do that fight. Did you ever think he would accept it? Or you just gonna put enough pressure on him?

You gonna keep putting it out there and have people put it out there and say, hey, the only fight that makes sense for Bud is Canelo. The only fight that makes sense for Canelo, if he wanna fight somebody and he want a super, super payday, Bud Crawford is in. For sure.

There's no fighter out right now that's bigger than Crawford Canelo. No fight. I agree. I agree. So a lot of people, I know a lot of people say, oh well, Benavides, Benavides, everybody want him to fight Benavides. And that's a great fight. And that's a damn good fight. You know, but given the circumstances of black versus Mexican in the history, I've always did bigger numbers than anything, you know, besides Manny Pacquiao, Floyd and Floyd, you

know, Conor McGregor. But yeah. You believe these numbers will be comparable to that? There's a projection that this fight is going to do between six hundred and seven hundred and fifty three quarters of a billion Florida right now has the record he and Pacquiao did six hundred million in revenue You believe this fight you canello Netflix can approach that number or go north of that number. I Don't know because it's a different It's different times that we live in it

when you look at today's time, you got so much piracy. You know, it's different. Back in the days, you didn't have that much. Nah, you didn't, yeah. But now, you know, everybody got to have. That's true. My kids be talking about, oh yeah, I'm watching the UFC fights. I'm like, I ain't paid for no UFC fights.

I ain't watching it on they phone. So it's way different nowadays and it's hard. It reminds me of back in the days when they was burning CDs. And the artists was like, man, we can't make no money. Can't make no money because everybody burning CDs and stuff like that. So I just think, you know, it's going to do tremendous numbers. But to say I know how much I don't. Because I'm looking at say Canelo's guaranteed 150, you guaranteed 100 million.

Damn bud, it's too late for me to train? I mean, I mean, I mean, that's that number. That's that, that sounds like a number that you can get down with. Man, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know, bud. I mean, I'm trying to figure, help me out on this, because Marvin Hagler once said, it's hard, it gets hard once you got mink slippers and silk pajamas to get up there and train and get hit in the face again. That's what he said? Yes, but here's the thing. You got no silks.

No, but look at Floyd. Everything Floyd was making money doing, doing 30, doing 40 million, $50 million a fight, and he still had the same desire as if he had $2. Bud Crawford made money, and he still has the desire to get up and train if he has $5. How does one stay in that mind? Because it's easy now. Bud, you live in that ivory tower. You just told me you got a new crib built.

All it would cost you $63 is a new crib. Well, see, you got this new palatial estate and you still stay hungry, how? Because like, I don't want to lose. That's the thing, I don't want to lose in nothing. You know, so I'm fighting for my future, my kids' future. So if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it to win. I'm not gonna half do it, I'm not gonna half step it.

I'm not gonna play around with it. I'm gonna try to win. So that's my motivation, my family, to secure them with generational wealth, with the businesses that I've created, the things that I put my money into, to teach them that anything is possible. And then not only that, for their kids,

kids can live off of their great-great-grandpa's success. Like, you know, when you see a trust fund baby. The Ford family, the Rockefellers, the Kellogg, even the Mars, the Heinz Ketchup. Yes, yes, baby. The Ford family, the Rockefellers, the Kellogg's, even the Mars, the Heinz Ketchup. Yes, yes, yes. Why can't, you know, where I come from, man, people don't be leaving their kids nothing. Right.

When they pass, man, people will have to say, You should be leaving them dead, because they ain't got nothing to leave, whatever. I can't leave. So dinners and stuff like that, you know? So I just always told myself, if something ever was to happen to me, my kid's gonna be straight with or without me.

But I don't know, but a hundred, 150 mil, you still gonna wanna go in there and train? You still gonna wanna go do another fight? They might come with 250. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Ah! Ah! They might come with 200. Ah! Ah! I'm gonna get it. I cut with two of them. I'm going to get it. So training, obviously you're going to have to train. You're training for a bigger fighter. So what's that? Have you thought about, have you lined up some sparring partners?

Because you probably have to fight, you know, spar with bigger guys than what you normally spar with. No. You know? Mm-hmm. Bud, you try to make this thing seem like routine. You know? Mm-mm. Bud, you try to make this thing seem like routine. It ain't routine, Bud. Man, listen, I don't spar people my size.

Everybody I spar is bigger than me. Ocho said he want to spar. I know, he told me. He told me. He came down, he said, man, he want to get in the ring with me. I said, man, listen. I got what I keep telling him. I said, man. But he going to in the ring with me. I said, man, listen, Ocho. I got what I keep telling him.

I said, man. But he's doing an MMA fight with D-Bow, James Harrison. I don't want to do it to him. Ocho good, man. That's my guy. Yeah. He's funny than a mug. He is funny.

But go ahead. Do one round. Touch him up a couple times. Y'all be wanting him to get straight. I want him to get straight. Because he be talking. Every fighter, we had another. Hey, he do it. Yeah. He him to get straight. I would have just because he be every fighter we had another. He do everything.

Andre Ward. Yeah. Andre Ward. Hey, I mean just like, you know, just like, ooh. I don't think he want, I think he just want the joy and the bragging rights to say he been in there with us. That's what I'm saying. I don't think he want to in there and for us to really spawn

No, no, just one minute. Just put one minute. Just one minute on the clock. Okay. That's it. No 30 seconds Let's get it out of 30 30 over tell her be like man. Hey Shannon do 30 do you think they just touch him a couple times? No, no, no, don't don't don. Don't go all out on it. But you gotta line him up, man. Yeah, the old Joe, the bugger. And I will be right there. With my cat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let me ask you a question. How different, you win this fight, how different is the perception of blood Crawford gonna be? Does this put you in that pantheon? I Honestly think I've been there. Okay, but you know everybody else got their own opinion but After after this I think people would start respecting me more but at the same time They have some type of excuse, right? You know same time, they'll have some type of excuse.

Right. You know, it's always going to be some type of excuse on why Terrence Crawford was successful and why he won the fights that nobody thought he was going to win or he did exactly what he said he was going to do. But it was a reason why it happened at the time where something wasn't right. So I

Just taking a stride there hadn't been very many fire division champs You beat Canelo at the weight you and beat him at that weight. I mean people gonna have to say Bud Crawford it with Floyd Mayweather with Sugar Ray Robinson with Manny Pacquiao You go they're gonna have to, they don't have a choice. I'm gonna say this, and I'm not just saying it. Terrence Crawford could have competed with all those guys, all of them.

I don't see not one fighter that I couldn't compete with. From Roberto Duran, or Sugar Ray Robinson. I can't say Sugar Ray Robinson, because I didn't see him. But the Manny Pacquiao's. The Hagler, the Hearns. Hagler was- 160, yeah he fought it.

But I'm talking about those guys around my way. Yeahler was, was it was 160? Yeah, he bought it. Yeah, but I'm talking about those guys and around my way. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Even even Hagler. Yeah. You know, I could have compete with but the guys that was around my way, Sugar Shane,

Mosley and all those. Yeah, I compete with all of them. With all of them hands down. But back then, but God's fault. I mean, now God's gonna retire with 50 fights. I mean, I think, who was that? Duran, Duran at one point was like 78 and oh, these guys had like a hundred fights.

Sugar Ray Robinson was like, what? 200 wins and five losses or something. Well, boxing has evolved. It's cause they're fighting every damn day every other week. So when you look at boxing like, like we was talking about football. Yes.

You came blind side, crack back and all that stuff. Yes. Boxing has evolved to the point where we learned that we don't have to fight so much. Right. Because there's more money involved and so you don't have to fight for much. Right. Because there's more money involved and so you don't have to fight for 10,000, 10,000, 10,000 where guys can make X amount of dollars

and fight one, two times a year. Yes. And then when you look at those fighters that got all those fights, look at their health. Yeah. Why would I want to make so much money if I can't enjoy it? Can't enjoy it. I don't know why I've made the money facts and they have somebody steal the money because I don't know what's going on, right?

so health is well When when did you watch the the charlo fight and canelo? Yeah, did you watch that fight? Did you take anything? I was there. Did you take anything from it? I felt, Charlo just came for a payday. Really? But I really can't say, but, he could've did more.

He did a lot of good things in there, that I felt as if, he would've know or had the confidence, he would've did way better than what he did. Do you feel that Charlo could have done more? Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, you're talking about Charlo, yeah. You think you're afraid of Canelo's power?

I do. I think he respected too much. You know, I do. But still, all in all, he did what he had to do to make it to the 12th round. You gonna respect it? I don't know, we're gonna see. I never got hit by him, so I can't say if I am or I am. But I'm definitely gonna respect.

But you gonna make him respect you? Of course. Cause you got to, cause he'll walk you down if you don't. Well that's his thing. He try to walk people down now. He gonna do what he gonna do, and I'm gonna do what he going to do and I'm going to do what I'm going to do. The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg

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the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of 2B for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there and if you can find a way to curate

and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who up a beat there? I got to see this. I got to see this one. Where are you on the criticism? Man, you've never been punched by anybody like Canelo you haven't fought a contender

I mean bro, you just get numbing How do you get why do you get to fight Canelo this big payday when you haven't fought anybody leading up to Canelo? And you see what he did to Billy Joe man once he hit you you hear it all but you've heard everything that somebody I don't know if you've heard it personally, but you got people around you have heard what the criticism is about you taking this fight with Kanela. That's the joy of it.

Nobody knows. You know, that's the excitement. He's fought all these guys. He's did all these things to these guys. Terrence Crawford is great at a lower weight class, but we don't know if Terrence Crawford can take the punches in the arms or take the overhand right or the uppercut or the right hand.

We don't know, but that's why we fight right? You know, there's a lot of what ifs you know that a lot of fans is is action or And they they mind What I can't do right? You know and the last time he fought somebody that had speed was Floyd. You've never seen anybody with speed like Bud Crawford. But, you know, that's why we're gonna fight. And then all the answers is gonna be answered on fight night.

You gonna give him a rematch? Ain't no rematch in the clause. But who knows? So you're a winner take all, hey? Winner take all. I'm taking it all. I read that you don't eat beef. I don't eat beef or pork. Just chicken, fish, turkey.

You Muslim? No, not at all. I bet you for 100 brav got all them cows out there. I'm all states, huh? there. I'm all states. I'm all states. Yeah. No, I don't eat beef or pork. I stop eating beef because it takes too long to process.

Really? Breakdown. Yeah. Jordan would have shaken his head. That's all right. I ain't got nothing to do in the meantime. So it'll break down just fine. A day or two, I'm good.

I ain't fighting nothing to do in the meantime. So it'll break down just fine. A day or two, I'm good. I ain't fighting. Hold up. I read you dead lifted 400 pounds. Probably like 455 or something like that. Man, your little ass do 455? I'm probably like 500. Look at that, too. You see, I almost slammed you. Oh! I told you, bud. I ain't want to mess with that $150 million painting, man.

Man, hey, everybody, man, how you do, bud? Come on, man. Because I think I'm going to get me a little cut and get a little 5% cut. So, did you always lift weights? No. So you just lift it now to try to pick up a little bit? I just lift it just because I needed to.

I just wanted to lift it. OK. I just looked at it and said, I'll do that. No, I just like do it. I was here. Look. How many fights does Bud Crawford have left? As many as I want.

But you don't want to stay too long, do you, Bud? You want to enjoy it. There you go. There you go. You just answered it. Hello. Javante Davis say you need the money. Shit.

What's going on with you and Javante? I'm a boxer. He a boxer. You a boxer. We all need the money. I ain't doing it for free. Thank you. What if Javante said, hey, I come up to 154? I come up to 154 while you talking?

Oh man. You go to 154, you'll fight Javante at 154? I wish him the best. That's all I'm gonna say. Why did they come? Is it because they feel they need to come for the guy that seems like he's on the top right now? And right now, you're the guy on the top, so everybody's taking Ryan Garcia,

saying, Canelo gonna beat Bud. They train together He posted he posted say that and he's Mexican he posted right with his with his peoples Let me ask you just you can help down on this this last fight Roach and Givante have you ever seen anything like that? I mean you can't take a knee That's a that's a that's a knockdown. Cause I saw Floyd break his hand,

hit the guy and took a knee and they gave Florida eight count. So I'm trying to figure out how Javante avoided that. And then I'm trying to figure out how he got his guy come up to the top of the ring and white grease out his eyes. They do that now, but. I guess that's part of the new, you know what I mean, boxing era.

When you saw that, tell me what you, when you saw that, you saw him take a knee. And then you see, he go to the apron and this guy come up to the top of the ring. Well, you're like, hold on, what's going on? I'm just as confused as you. I said, huh? I was just like, oh, that's crazy. I said, huh? I was just like, oh, that's crazy. And Steve Willis is a great referee.

He is. And he started counting, then stopped counting. Stopped it. They said, hey, you better stop counting. Wow. They don't do that again. You being a boxing aficionado, you think Javante won that fight?

No. I don't think he won without the knockdown. I thought it was a close fight, but I would have gave the edge to Roach. He fought a great fight. Javante fought a great fight as well, but I just think he was overconfident. I don't think he took Roach lightly.

I mean, serious. Right. Because I guess they fought earlier, they fought the amateurs, one from D.C. and the other from Maryland, so they're very familiar with each other. But pros is different than amateurs. And you know, Tank, stopping a lot of people.

You know, probably felt like, man, we've fought when we were some little kids. Right. Man, I'm about to knock you out. Right. What about Javontae and Tank? Should they fight? Javontae and Shakur. And Shakur, yeah. Yeah, they should fight.

Why they ain't fighting? I don't know. I think all of them should fight, you know. I mean, you got Lopez, Tiofimo, you got Lomachenko, you got Shakur, you got Tank, you got Garcia. You got five guys. That's a nice little- That's a nice little-

David Haney. David Haney, yeah. You got six guys. Don't nobody wanna fight nobody? I don't know. I think they all should, you know, be fighting each other. So what we got going on? Politics.

Bro, if Shakur and Haney and Tank, if all them leave, if they retire with undefeated records, that's some bull shit. That's what straight up, you know it too bud. Ain't no way those guys should have undefeated records. If they're out in their prime and they damn near in the same, no, ain't no way. Well, TFMO got a loss already. Okay, you're right, you're right. But fight, Lomo. He got a loss already. Okay, you're right. You're right.

But fight Lomo. He got a loss already. Fight. I don't care what his weapon is. Maybe he can put a loss on somebody else. I ain't going to be the only one with a damn loss. That's how I think. But that's how I think.

I ain't going to be the only one walking around with a loss. Yeah, for sure. Definitely. Definitely. I think they all should fight. You know, they all want to fight each other. And I think, you know, with Turkey Al-Asheek and the other guys, I think they're going to be able to fight.

I think they're going to be able to fight. I think they're going to be able to fight. I think they're going to be able to fight. I think they're going to be able to fight. I think they're going to be able to fight. I think they're going to be able to fight. I think they're going to be able to fight. I think they all should fight, you know, they all want to fight each other. And I think, you know, with Turkey, Al-Asheek and the mix now, and I think we'll get there. They got big money over there. You go fight over there?

I ain't fought over there. You ain't gonna mess with them? Yeah. You would? I said, would you go over to, what did you buy? Saudi? Saudi Arabia. Yeah.

They paid big bucks for that. If the ticket was what it's supposed to be, then yeah. I'm a champion of the world. Yeah. Not of the country. If I had to travel the world to fight, then so be it. Okay, I like that. Ryan Garcia and Tame, they talk about

they might fight again, blah, blah, blah. There was a lot made about this rehydration clause. You don't have that, if I'm not mistaken, I don't think you have this in this one. So theoretically, he's supposed to come in at 168, not in a fight, he might be 180, 185. You cool with that? I had sat down with Oscar and Oscar said,

he think the right rehydration clause had a lot to do with why Ryan didn't defeat Javante. What do you think? I think two things. I think, well, I'm gonna say three things. I think Ryan had an injury already previous in training. I think the way it did have an effect on him, because when you see him with Devin, he was too totally.

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Fighters. But in tank defense, I don't think with Devin, he was too totally, you know what I mean, fighters. But in tank defense, I don't think fighters should be able to fight a fighter at 130, and this fighter rehydrate to 140, and you come in at 165. Right.

You know, I don't think that's right. And I think that's the problem that Canelo had with Benavidez and Will. These fighters coming in at like 200 pounds and they weigh in 168. Yeah. Damn. That's a big... Ryan, he had some things going on and we had, I guess it was the tainted sample. He said he had a trace of a steroid in the system,

and Devin Haney complained, and he tried to sue him. And so what's going on? Because I look at Ryan, and I think if he focused, he could be really good. He just have a lot of ish going on. Do you feel like if he were to focus and took it serious? I mean, you have to take it somewhat serious But if he'd like totally locked in

They all came up with each other. Okay, so they know each other so they all know each other so well Shakur tank Ryan, you know Devin they all they all know each other You know, so is it hard to fight somebody, you know? No, no, I'm just saying they all know each other. So is it hard to fight somebody you know? No, no, I'm just saying they all know each other. So they know how to fight each other, how to beat each other and things like that because they didn't fought each other so many times. What did you think about the Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia fight?

I think, you know, steroids, if he was on steroids, he tested positive. Right. Something to do with his performance, but at the same time, I can't take away from Ryan Garcia landing the shots that he was landing all day. You know, I just think that when Devin got hit, he didn't recover. Right.

You know, when he got hit, he just couldn't recover from... Ryan said he beat you. Ryan said he beat you. Ha ha ha ha. Actually, he said he beat the ish out of you. I'm just saying that was a bad saying. He said it. I don't know.

Ha ha ha. Oh, man. That's good. Ha ha ha. That's good for him. That's good for him to think that. We have this competition right. Would you fight Jake Paul? No.

No. Jake doing his thing. He too big? He too big? Yeah, Jake big, but he doing his thing. I'm going to let Jake do what Jake. You got 200 million for you. I'm fighting Jake Paul.

I'm fighting Jake Paul. I'm fighting Jake Paul. Come on, Jake. Hey, Logan. I'm fighting Jake Paul. I'm fighting Jake Paul. I'm fighting Jake Paul. Come on, Jake. Hey, Logan. Get me. I gotta fight your brother, man.

When you watch the Tyson and the Jake Paul fight, come on, man. I love Tyson. But Tyson shouldn't have been out there. Right. Biting his gloves and stuff.

Was he biting his glove because that was a tick or was he biting his glove like, man, I want to hit the joke upside his head so bad but I can't? I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to spread it over and over. But Tyson shouldn't have been in there at all. And No Way, shape or form or fashion should Jake Paul ever be able to say

he beat Mike Tyson. You know what I mean? Like Mike Tyson, old. Yeah, I'm the 60. Yeah, old enough to be my dad. Yeah. You know, and he shouldn't have been in there. You boxed, Conor? Yeah, you know and he shouldn't have been in there you boxed on. Yeah, definitely

Why not? The money was right Get in there What what you think the appeal is cuz we see a lot of these guys a lot of the MMA guys Want to come to the sport of boxing we saw France and then Gano He did pretty good against Tyson Fury and then he got in there with Anthony Joshua and it didn't go so well. We saw Conor McGregor get in there with Floyd.

Even though Floyd was past his prime, it seemed like Floyd Troy with him, drug him out to the deep, held his head up on the water until he couldn't get it, couldn't get any oxygen. I mean, what's the appeal of a UFC fighter wanting to fight one of those box? It's money.

Money. It's all about money. Yeah. You know, I did an interview with a couple of UFC fighters. Harry Cejudo and them. And I was telling them boxers make way more money than UFC fighters. Right. You know, and that's mainly what it comes down to. Right.

You know, money, the UFC fighters see that the crossover fights like Mayweather and Conor McGregor, how well it did. Conor was compensated. Yeah. They like, hold, hold on. And then you see what? Francis Ngannou and Anthony Joshua, the compensation that Francis Ngannou, he probably made 20 times what he's ever made

in a UFC fight. Definitely. I'm just being, you know, maybe I'm hyperbole here, but I think he probably made at least five times what he's ever made in the UFC fight. So when they see that, then they just, you know, it sparks their interest, you know? But then when they say, oh, well,

boxers need to go to the cage then, the boxers ain't never asking to go over there and fight. Because boxers are compensated. Yeah, so it's like Y'all come over here right and fight us because y'all want to make more money, right? We not trying to go over there and make less money Get kicked or I'm broke. Yeah, I wouldn't stuff you right so it's a difference Anthony job Jake Paul say you want to fight Anthony Joshua damn Jake Paul would have fight everybody I was in the stuff room. So it's a difference. Anthony Joshua. Jake Paul said he want to fight Anthony Joshua.

Damn, Jake Paul want to fight everybody. I think Anthony Joshua too big. Jake big. He ain't, I mean, Joshua like 250. Yeah, Jake Paul big. They both big. Who you put your money on then? Come on man.

Don't do that to me. Don't do that to me. I'm a put...uh look. I mean that's a...you talking about... That is a gold... I think Joshua won the gold medal in the Olympics. He's a...I mean look, the chin is suspect.

The chin like... like this, glass. Nah man, them dudes big man. He big too! He got too much muscle though, he got too much muscle. I don't never say nobody chin suspect in the heavyweight division. You gotta be able to take a punch. He did take a punch.

He did? He took a few, you know what I mean? Them dudes big, man. Yeah, I know. Mack Chuck, boom. He was winning too. He wanted to hit you. No, hell nah.

All right, that's what I'm saying. Hey, a little guy hitting you with a punch you don't see, can you imagine a big guy hitting you with a punch you don't see? But just imagine a big guy hitting you with a punch you can't see. I don't wanna see it. You can't do nothing about it.

Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? No big dudes punching. Oh yeah. Help me with this. Deontay Wilder, he was running through, he was knocking everybody out. And it's always the same, the overhand right. Fury fought the first time, thought he had Fury, and Fury raised up like the Undertaker. Yeah. Sot up in the ring, got up.

It was a draw, but a lot of people thought Fury won. I thought both of them won. You thought both of them won? You thought it was a draw? You thought the draw was a fair outcome? Yeah, because I thought Fury won the decision hands down, but I thought they should have called the fight off. I thought Wadder knocked him out.

Okay. Now, the second fight... Mm. Yeah. Deontay said it was the suit. He had this new suit. I was there. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

He had that big old suit. It was cool, though. It looked good. Yeah. But now, you know when you come out with something like that, you got to be ready to rock and roll, bud. I think them fights took a lot out of Deontay Wilder.

They did. You know, and then on top of that, once Tyson Fury felt his punch power, and he stood up to it. He wasn't afraid to get hit with it no more. And I think that just you know. Because once a guy don't feel your power you kind of. It did something to his mental because he's so used to.

Because then nobody had ever gotten up. When he landed that shot flush no fighter had ever gotten up. And when he stood up in that ring and he got up, what do I do now? If you hit a guy with your best shot, you hit him, bam. What I'm going to do? Hit him again. You're going to take these all night. I ain't going to hit you and be like, oh shit. I'm going to be like, all right, you're going to have to eat them all night. We ain't gonna stop just there. You know? Oh man, so...

But then I watched... I thought after watching Fury fight, and I watched him fight Deontay Wildner, watched him fight a couple of other guys, I got a little concerned when he fought Joshua, but I didn't think he took Joshua serious. I don't think he thought... excuse me, I don't think he talked about when he fought Francis Ngannou. I don't think he took him serious. And so was like man can't nobody and then I watched you sick He'd get in the ring with Ella's and you sick and you sick this What what I'm like how bro you seem unbeatable for like three four five five and now you just Styles make fights so styles make fights. So, when you used to fighting these big slower guys

with a slower pace, and you get in with a smaller guy with a faster pace, with more movement, and things like that, it's kind of harder than fighting those guys that you've been fighting. You know, in the past and then Usyk, he's tremendously talented. Yeah. You know, so he's going to feint you, he's going to move, he's going to slip, he's going to counter you, he's going to tie you up, things like that.

So it's difficult. Right. Do you want to... A-B. A-B scamming these guys in the dice game Is that is that why you don't you say you don't gamble anymore because you say man I feel like I was taking money from my homies and Probably some of the money that I was taking with my money to begin with so all I'm doing is getting my money back And they won't gonna be able to pay me back

But are you I mean have you ever heard of a story like this before? Never. Cause you know people, boy, they in the hood, they normally get you to do stuff like that, man. I wonder if they fabricating though. How, the mount, okay. Well, they say one point. But no, they say five million,

six point five and fixed dice game. Nah, they say a one point. I'm telling six point five. It ain't no 1.5. I'm telling 6.5. It ain't no 6.5. I'm telling you. They said 1.5. They didn't say 6.5. Give me my phone.

Give me my phone. We gonna pull this up. They didn't say 6.5, man. Come on, now. We finna pull this up, bud. Man, hey listen, you gotta get it how you live. Oh, nah. Hey, you gotta get it how you live. Oh, nah. Hey, if they allow him to get them in dice for that much money, then they deserve to get their money too.

Because how the hell did you, in a street dice game, allow yourself to get that much money took from you? It's crazy. Man, what the...Instant...Nah, that's a fake site. No, that ain't no fake site. That's a fake site. Collected 6.5 million from the scheme, including 1.5 million from current NBA All-Star. 5 million from former players and 1.5 million from current. Hey, we hitting them. Hey, hey, hey, you know the point.

That telephone, that telephone, thatfour break the dice game up. Cause then nobody gonna believe you gonna hit the flowers with that little joke. Oh man, they... Man, somebody hurt you by that kind of money, man. For real though. What? And probably because they are NBA players

and they didn't do anything. But if you do somebody like that, that's a hood. Oh, they sent for you. You know that, man. I'd be crazy, dude. that that's a hood oh they they're sin for you you know that man AB crazy but hey man look here AB had a nice had a nice he had a nice career man man when AB asked some of them play when AB started getting cooked, man, AB like, I'm getting cooked. Oh, man. He had his run. When will Bud know it's time to leave?

When my mom tell me to stop. If you don't tell you to stop, you gonna keep going? Nah, I don't know. How old is your oldest kid, child? 17. Young child? 17. Youngest? One. You want the youngest to see what you do?

They all see what I do. He don't, the one year old ain't seein' nothing yet. Oh no, no, no, he ain't gonna be able to see it. Well, he see it. He ain't gonna be able to watch it. He just don't know what he watching. Yeah, he ain't gonna be able to understand. But I've been, the lion, so 17 is the oldest.

So you probably got probably what? Like three over the age of 10? Yeah. So they know, so for the older ones, they know what you do. They know who dad is. Okay. All my kids, even my daughter, she four.

She know what I do. So you good. I mean, so now. She know what I do. So you good. I mean, so now- Yeah, I'm straight. So, I mean, you wanna, what? You wanna do this till you 40? You wanna do like a couple more fights? To 40 is crazy.

Yeah, baby. But I don't know. I'm focused right now on this one. I ain't- So you, I, hey, I worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. But right now, this gets laser So you, I worry about tomorrow, tomorrow, but right now, this gets laser focused. There you go. Right now, we in it.

Right. What have you learned about money? It's paper. It comes and goes. It change people. I show like it better coming than going. Yeah. But it's the crazy thing is,

what money do for you but make you comfortable. It don't make you happy. No. It don't fix things. It can fix certain things. What about freedom? It does allow you a certain level of freedom. In certain aspects.

Because you can have money. You can have a lot of money but still can't get in certain places. You can have a lot of money but still can't get in certain places Mm-hmm, you can have a lot of money but still can't sit at certain people table, right? You know, so When is this a tool that you use the you know Be somewhat comfortable What's the worst investment you made you buy some I mean you say you don't let you're not big in the car You never bought no rollss, no Ferrari. What the hell, you driving a pickup truck in old Boston?

Yeah. Yeah. I do got a pickup truck. A 2025 GMC Denali. HD. Okay. Ultimate. Okay. Ultimate. Ultimate. Yeah, 2500.

You on a fog? You got a fog? I drag your little car. I should win it. I hook, hey, you wanna talk about my truck? I hook your little ride up. Where you gonna go? I hook that diesel. You gonna be like, hey, hey, hey.

I'm gonna send it. I'm gonna go get me a 650 tomorrow. That's cool. It pulled a rear end off your truck He ain't gonna pull the rear end. We're gonna be fighting But I got cars though, I got two Monte Carlos I got a G wagon I got a demon God, oh you got a demon, huh? Yeah, I got the go. I got the black ghost. Yeah, don't let me catch you got the demon, huh? I got the black ghost. Don't let me catch you on the street. That's cool. Let's go.

Don't let me catch you. Because I know y'all got a lot of straight highways out there in Omaha. Ain't nothing really. Worry about a pig crossing the street or something like that. Man, we ain't got no pigs. You are bad. We don't got no regular pigs. Were you talking about Texas?

No, I'm talking about Texas. No, I'm talking about Nebraska. Let me ask you this. Hey man, you ain't gonna keep talking about Nebraska. Where you from? Old country. I'm from Georgia. Yeah, old country.

Atlanta. I'm from South Georgia. Trust me, it's an old country town, Georgia. It is, it is. What's out there? Farmland. Yeah. Hogs, we got wheat.

Onions. Yeah. Onions. Yeah. It's farmland, that's what you use farmland. Come on man. Your place can't compare to my place. Come on man.

Georgia. You really live in Georgia? I rather live. I live in Atlanta. No, no, no, no. Georgia. You really live in Georgia? I live in Atlanta. No, no, no. Where you from? Not where you live at. You live where you live at. I said where you're from.

You ain't going to keep talking about- I mean Omaha, I want to come to Omaha. I'm going to check it out. What come to Omaha? Come to Omaha. Okay. What's the dish? What is Omaha famous for?

What food? What dish are you? I just told you. What? Steaks. Oh, you know Omaha Steaks? Yeah. What else?

You don't eat meat, so how'd you know? Shit, I used to work there. People used to mind their bugs up, boy. All over the world, they talk about Omaha Steaks. Yeah, they do. I used to eat beef. I ain't like, I ain't never eat beef before. So, what's Bud's favorite meal?

So, your mom or somebody? Pasta? Yeah, give me some lasagna. Pizza, I'm a pasta. I mean, pizza's okay. I ain't no lasagna, no spaghetti. Yeah, that's me. You a breakfast person? I don't really be eating breakfast like that. Yeah, that's me. You a breakfast person?

I don't really be eating breakfast like that. Really? I eat here and there. I eat it when I'm training though. Right. When I'm in training camp, I eat all of my meals. Right. Yeah.

Are you ever gonna leave Omaha or are you there to stay? I'm probably there to stay. I'm probably stuck there. So will we. What about the kids? What about the kids? What about the kids that, dad, you know what, hey? Peace out. I'll see you when you come back.

Yeah, I'm comfortable. You know how like certain people, like you might move back to Alabama. You never know. You know what I mean? They be gone for 40 years. But they like, man, when I die, I want to be buried home where I was born.

So I'm gonna come back home, settle down, give me a house. And, you know, last 10, 20 years of my, 15 years of my life, I'm gonna be home. You're a big sports fan. What NBA player, NFL player, you believe could box? Cause I see Dame, I see Dame hitting the gloves. Dame, Dame got some skills for sure.

For boxer, Carl Anthony Towns, he be training, you know what I mean? He got some skills. My boy D Smoke, he definitely got some skills. He be really boxing, boxing. Football players, Ocho Cinco. Man, you got to tell him stop playing with you. Man, this joke, he's swearing he Floyd Mayweather. Was it, man, was it LeDamion Thomas?

LeDamion Thomas. Man, he knocked that dude out. Oh no, you talking about, nah, you talking about the guy from Pittsburgh, the running back. No, LeBion. LeBion Bell. LeBion Bell, man. He knocked that...

He knocked that Adrian Peterson. Yeah, Adrian Peterson. Yeah, Frank Gore. Frank Gore fight. Yeah, Frank Gore can fight too. I was just having dinner with Frank Gore. But yeah, man, LeDamion Thompson. Hey, I got somebody I need you to train.

Stephen A. Can you help him out? Man, you seen them upper-cut Stephen A we're throwing? Yeah. Man, I saw the face coming from him. What's up, we're here with LeBron, man, LeBron. Come on, man. I got you, I got him, I got him. Yeah, you gotta help him out, man.

I mean, he said he had his rotators. But he old though, man, he old though, man. Yeah. He old, man, he need to, she ain't, she ain't, she ain't worried about fighting no more, man. You ain't gotta throw a punch,

she ain't treating you bad. So you gonna train him, Steven, I got you. Bug gonna come in, you gonna train, you gonna get you out to teach him, man, stay on your feet, how to sit down, spin that front tuck. I'm going to teach him how to, you know what I mean? Teach him how to run.

Oh, no. Teach him how to run. He ain't got to run. He just got to work his finger out. Work his finger, keep it steady. Keep it steady and straight. He's too old for all that. You a Laker fan?

Yes. You a Laker fan or you a LeBron fan? I'm a Laker fan. I didn't even want LeBron to be on the Lakers. What? Yeah. But we going to fall out. We're going to fall out.

Why would I want LeBron on the Lakers when we was competing against LeBron? Y'all hadn't been competing in a long time. Y'all ain't won no championship from 2009 to 2010. And we won against the who? Get your hands up. Let me ask you a question. You remember?

You remember you beat Miami? Who was on the team when they beat Miami in the bubble? It don't matter. LeBron was with us. That's what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is when LeBron played for Cleveland and all that, we was competing against them. Yeah, yeah, we competing.

That's what I'm saying. So I didn't want LeBron on Lakers. Now you didn't want LeBron and Kobe? I wanted Kobe. Man, can't you just imagine LeBron and Kobe? Yeah, but that was imaginary. But see now, just think about what a Laker would be if they didn't have LeBron.

Yeah, we'll have somebody else. Well, yeah. You remember what you had when Kobe retired? We'll have somebody else. Nothing. We'll have somebody else. No, you didn't. Hold on,by retired? We had somebody else. Nothing. We had somebody else. No, you didn't. Hold on, is it true Trey Songz tried to fight you?

No, why everybody keep talking about that, man? Trey Songz was just having a moment. He was, you know what I mean? He gonna put a miss on you? He gonna put a miss on you? Put the miss on me, it's crazy. Put the miss on me, it's crazy. Huh? Put the miss on me. It's crazy. He just was having a moment.

Did he know who you were? I don't know. That's why I said I couldn't understand. You really couldn't gauge it, because you like, do I do this for real? Yeah, like, yeah, that's what it was. Is he serious, or is he just playing? Because I'm waiting for him to be like,

ah, I'll just play with you. But he didn't do that. Nah. You go put... I wasn't going to punch him. You were going to do a body blow? I was going to choke him. Come on.

Come on, man. Yeah, I was going to choke him. He would have did one of them crazy swings I would have ducked him. Choke. Dude, I mean, has anybody like... Cause a lot of them crazy swings, I would have ducked him. Choke. Do, I mean, has anybody like, cause a lot of times people might, cause they look at your size

and they might not know who you are. Right. And they like, feel some type of way. You ain't never gotten into it with a celebrity half. You're somebody like talking trash. You're like, bro, come on, this ain't what you want. No, that was the only person. That's really?

I like where he got into a little articulation with GZ, but it was not like that. Right. But, yeah. I don't want to choke you. I don't even want to punch you. Have you ever been choked before? No.

So just imagine somebody, like, got your life in their hands. Yeah. And they decided whether they want wanna let you go or not. Damn. So just imagine when them people getting choked out in the UFC. Yeah. And they like.

Just imagine. So if he tap you, you ain't gonna let him go? That's what I'm saying, just imagine. You think about it. If they don't ref, if they don't ref, you're gonna be like, hey, hey, hey, let him go. You know what I mean? Like, you're going to get up and you're going to think twice,

like, that nigga could have killed me. Yeah, for sure. So you just choke him and just be like, hey, no, no, no, get on now. Clarissa Shields, I don't think there's really any question that she's the best woman's boxer today. Of all time. All time.

You putting over Layla Ali? All time, and I love Layla. Wolf? All time. Cold Miner's daughter? All time. Really? There's no comparison.

Damn. At all. All time. I love Layla, too. Yeah. But ain't nobody coming close to Clarissa. Right. Two-time Olympic gold medal.

Yes. Three-time undisputed. Yes. How many weight classes she did? Six? Six different weight classes? Now I understand that ain't a lot of women boxers. Right.

But she's the best at what's out there, or whatever's been out there. That still don't take away the accolades that she posed. Right. It's no comparison. You got, your name got dropped in a diss song. Kendrick Lamar name drop you in a diss song.

You like, so when people have you, so what is it like to like hear you now? Because I want to hear my name called in a song. I don't care what the song is. I just want to hear my name called in song. That's it forever. Cause you know, your name in that song forever. You know that right? Yeah, for sure. My name been in plenty of songs, you know, but when I heard it, I was just like, oh, that's crazy. That was it.

Like everybody was hitting me up like, man, Kendrick put you in this song. I was just like, oh yeah. I was like, oh, that's crazy. And I just left it at that. I didn't get all like. You didn't all get all excited like, I'm getting residuals from this.

No, I ain't getting shit. You was on the set of Creed 3 with Michael B. Jordan and Jonathan Major. What's it like being on the set? Because they were fishing you back. No, it was dope. It was dope to see Michael B. Jordan in his form and his element and see him navigating everything. They shooting and then he stopping and he grabbing the camera

and he like, all right, we're gonna do this and we're gonna do this. I was just like, I'm looking back, like man, this dude talented, man. You know, for you to be in person, acting, then directing, then changing stuff, you know what I mean, like, oh, we're gonna do it this way. I'm like, man, that's cold, you know what I mean? Like, oh, we're gonna do it this way. I'm like, man, that's cold, you know?

What's it like to knock someone out? You don't even feel it. You don't? Nah, sometimes you don't even feel it. Like, you knock somebody out, you be like, man, I ain't even hit him that hard. Because the ones that you try to hit him with. You don't hit him out?

Yeah, you be missing them or you don't get them out. But the ones that you try to hit him with. You don't get him out. Yeah, you'd be missing them or you don't get them out. But the ones that you least expected, it'd be like, whoa, it kind of surprised you. Right. But sometimes when you hit him, you know what I mean, and you can feel it, you'd be like, I know I got him. Bah. So it'd be cool.

So you know when you get that. What's the hardest hit you've been hit? What you've received? Pshhhhhh. Uh, probably Gamboa. Bell's ring is like buzzing, like... Yeah, he buzzed me. I walked right into it.

When you watched that fight, I was just putting my hands down. I was like, I had just hit him with an uppercut. They thought you had him, huh? No, I just looked at him like me just crack pop that my Is today's boxers as tough as the boxers know grab his ass. Is today's boxers as tough as the boxers of- No. Damn, you ain't even let me finish, bud.

It ain't. Boxers back in the days was way tougher than the boxers of today. Could you imagine fighting with six ounce course hair gloves for 15 rounds, you get knocked down, the person standing over you, so when you get up he can punch you again. Wow.

Or they used to fight until somebody got knocked down, it used to be unlimited rounds. So it's just like, man, it's crazy. Man, them people was crazy. Yeah. But I think our skills have evolved. Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

You know, so. It's a trade evolved. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. No, so It's a trade-off. Yeah Sex before a fight. Where are you on sex before a fight? Yeah, Nate, but I'm hitting something But what about all the fighters say now you you part you don't partake in any of that that's a lie I've been doing that my whole career. I think it's a It's my remedy Remedy for what before I fight they relax you relax me. Yeah, I swear to God like I Not tonight before the fight, but no no no the week before no like

Like a whole doing training camp like Friday Thursday like Thursday Thursday before the fight. Yeah, Thursday, like Thursday, Thursday, before the fight. Yeah. Yeah. I swear to God, like everybody always asks me, you know, because that been the thing people always want to know. If I did, I'm like, yeah. Right. It relaxes me. But I don't want to go in the ring all like uptight. Right.

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No sex before the fight. The whole time, the whole six weeks, eight weeks, teams weeks, however long it is, man, you can't do that. And you did it, and then you won. That okay? Nah, I just look at it like, when you training, when you play a football, right? They tell you not to have sex?

They say get off your feet. Okay. But they ain't say nothing about her on her feet. My point. My point. Thank you. So, so, so when you, I tell people this. When you not training for a fight, you fuck and then you go work out.

Right. You don't think about it. The only reason why you tired is because you trying to be a porn star. Right. If you her do all the work, then you good. You saving your legs, doing hip pressing, squatting. You ain't doing nothing. You know what I mean? You just getting your load off. Right. You know what I mean? And then you good. But if you want to go out there and you perform and stuff like that That's a workout. Of course, you're gonna be tired Right. So that's that that's my take on it. Right. Kids, you got seven.

Right. All your kids about the same woman? Six. Six of them. My last one, yeah. You want more kids? Are you done? I don't know. Damn, Mick Cannon.

No, no, the Cannon got too many babe-bobbers. You know what I mean? Nah. Would you let your boys, you let the girls, you let them box, you let them play football? No. No boxing? No boxing, no football. Come on, boy, damn, you did it. That's why I did it so they don't have to do it.

But what is it with his dad? No. You ain't never been? No. He's like- Sit down, no. He's 6'3", 200. He ain't gonna be 6'3", because I'm not 6' and his mama not 6'.

So he ain't gonna be 6' nothing. He lucky if he gonna be 5'8". You know what I mean? They think they're the best. You guys have been together since the beginning. Right. I mean, and you know, but the thing is, like, I think everybody wants that, that, that, fairytale.

When I didn't have anything, I had you. Now that I have everything, I still have you. Doesn't happen often, but I think everybody, I think most guys long for that. How did you know, or did you know, highs, lows, in between, no matter what, she was gonna be, she a rider? She put her to the test.

No, I'm saying, you both put to the test. Right. It's not just her. Right. You put to the test to deal with the stuff that she bring to the table. Bring to the table. You know what I mean? And she can so forth.

So, you know, it's both, it's a two-way street when it comes to that because you're going to put up with a lot just like she's going to put up with a lot. And y'all got to see if things work out. Right. What is having her in your life? What does that mean to you? Oh, it means a lot, you know, because she supportive with my kids and things like that. She handled my kids and it's not hard.

I mean, it's not easy taking care of six kids by yourself. So I love her dearly for that. So when I'm out of training camps and, you know, like out in Vegas right now, she handling the house and holding the fort down. So it's definitely appreciated, you know, for me to have a person like that at my corner. But you said something interesting.

You said the last one is not by her. Right. Last one not by her. Uh-oh. And you mean to tell me how you sit here with your eyes not closed? Things happen. You know, different circumstances.

How do you... Walk us through it, how you go home. Hey, baby. How you doing today? I'm good, bud. What's going on? I brought you something. Hey, bud, what's going on?

Shit. I, you know, hey, so, uh, how you doing? Sit down. Bud, what you want to, what you got to tell me, bud? Nigga, I went on the way. Just like that, bud?

Shit, you can't lie. Just like that bud? You can't lie. How you gonna lie? You'd rather tell her now or it's going to be worse with the baby cup. Right. I'm just a man. What you say?

What you say? Yeah. Did you yell, scream, dot your I? Yes. Man. You have oh Hey, you know what bud you ain't got you. Hey, hey, you ain't got no $300,000 car. She got one. No She driving Mercedes

Maybach GLE Now she got your Maybach. Are you trippin'? Nah, nah, you trippin'. Maybach. Nah. You gon' Maybach your ass to that GLE? Fuck. Nah.

Yeah. That's nice. That mug nice. It dry by itself and all. Damn. How many kids you got? Three. How many Bay you got? Three. How many baby mamas?

Three. Three different baby mamas? Yeah. So the first one ain't dot your R? The second one ain't dot your other R? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. No. But I wasn't with them like that, boy.

No, no, no, I don't care. What you mean? You was with them to have a baby, but I'm saying, they thought you was with them. No, I was with them. They thought you was with them. I was with them they thought she was with them it was it wasn't like your situation but I wish I'd have a situation that's the only thing I regret that's the only regret I have I wish I didn't had all three with the same yeah no matter who

whether I would whoever I was gonna be with I wish I'd have been able to do that I'm cool I'm good you want more kids too you ain't done I bet you have 10 I bet if I come back I bet if I come back, I bet if I come back four years from now, I bet you have 10. I wanted 10. I did. I used to always say I'm gonna have 10 kids.

Man, you know, kids expensive, bud. It is. That's why I'm like, that's why I pushed off. Like, hey, hold up, man. Yeah. Especially when they say I'm getting older. It ain't like when you- Talk about that.

I'm 17. Can I get a car? It ain't like when you and I were kids, older. It ain't like when you... Talk about that. I'm 17. Can I get a car? It ain't like when you were not with Kid Bud. It ain't. You know? It ain't. But I love it. I love it.

My house is never dull. Right. You know, I love being a father. You know, I love, you know, the whole yelling and arguing. Really? Yeah. Yeah, man. Because you're going to miss it when you get older.

Yeah. You're gonna be sitting around there with your wives, you're gonna be grumpy. It's gonna be a while before you have to worry about that. I understand that, but you're gonna be bored and you're gonna be like, damn. Let me go, baby, can you make some grandkids? You know what I mean?

Right. Cause you're gonna want them kids to love you and things like that. I just you know, uh My grandma she oh and she broke her ankle one time and they put her in a nursing home to rehabilitate her ankle and To go in there and to see all those old people that don't have no family say or The family members don't come right don't come is off. Yeah, I never wanted to be like that

Like I never want to be like that. I never want to die, you know Not loved or mistreated or my family not being there to take care of so, you know, I Know my kids but I know they bet not. That's all I'm doing. Y'all better be here. They bet not. I ain't going to no home. I'ma stay right here and y'all come take care of me. Thank you.

Thank you. And that's the joy of having a big family. You know, everybody stick together. My kids ain't gotta worry about friends. They got each other, you know, at the end of the day. And when they mom and they dad and they grandma and grandpa pass away, they gonna still have each other from start to finish.

You know, they gonna have each other because they gonna have me from the start, but they ain't gonna have me from the finish. But they gonna have each other from start to finish. Best of luck, Bud Crawford. Appreciate it. But I can tell that the storm is is brewing right right you you getting ready for something special I'm chilling. I'm chilling I'm always ready. I'm always ready. I was really special. You know, I mean, you just got to stay ready

So you don't got to get ready. So let me ask you this when you like, you know what? How do you determine like do you determine do your team determine? Who and where you gonna fight or do you say like, you know what? I want to fight this guy. He got a bill. I think that'll be a very compelling fight That's a fight that makes money and it increases my legacy Well, it's a it's a team, you know approach but for the most part at the end of the day it's my decision right because I'm the one I gotta go in there and and fight and put the gloves on and

Risk my health and my life. So and fight and put the gloves on and risk my health and my life. So at the end of the day, it's on me. Right. And my team just supportive of what I want to accomplish in this sport of boxing. You and I were talking earlier and you said you got, you were a football player and then you like,

man, later for this, because you were small. I think you told me you were 4'11". 4'11". As a freshman. Yeah. And so how do you determine, how do you decide to say, you know what, I'm gonna try boxing. Well, I was already boxing at the age of seven.

Okay, okay. You know what I mean? So being that I had got kicked out, you know, I went to other sports. So I went to basketball, football, wrestling, baseball, things like that. So playing different sports along the way. When I got a little older I was just like man you got to make a decision right what sports you gonna play and I

was just like man kind of too short to play basketball even though I played basketball in high school I was just like I'm going back to boxing. What drew you to the sport of boxing? I think boxing drew itself to me. Okay. You know, I think. You like to fight huh? I love to fight. I love to fight. I just think, you know, being that my dad, my uncle, my grandpa, you know, my mom was around boxing her whole life. I think it was just something that was in the blood.

Right. You know, and that's what chose me. So, you know, I've been in boxing ever since. Who was your favorite fighter growing up? We did you what? Sugar Ray, Hagler, Hearns, Benitez, Roy Jones. I mean, who was some of the guys that you? Roy Jones always been my favorite fighter of all time.

Really? Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, hands down. Wow. So you kind of, you kind of following kind of what, you know, I think Floyd started off at 130, 35, 40, 47, went to 54. You started out at 35, 40, 47, junior middleweight. Now you're gonna try to, we're gonna talk about that a little later.

Jumped two, two weight classes, go all the way to 168, super middleweight. Roy did the unthinkable. Started out as a junior middleweight, 60, 68. Go all the way to 193, take the belt from Ruiz, come back down, do light, do a light heavyweight. When you were thinking like, hold on, in order to be special, it's hard to be special

and just stay in one weight division. Were you, did you always envision going up in weight and try to clean out each division? Not at all. You know, when I look at my life and how I started boxing, I always envisioned myself being a world champion. That was it.

That was it. I never thought about being fighter of the year, pound for pound, number one fighter in the world. Six times fighter of the year. You know what I mean? Like, none of that, you know? Well, nominated, probably six times, you know? But I never thought of that.

You know, I just was like, but I never thought of that, you know I just was like I want to be a world champion. That's it, you know, but along the lines of Becoming a world champion. I was like, oh man, I want more more. I'm not finished yet. I want more So every time I grab, you know a new accolade, I'm like, all right. Well, I want more I want you find something else to accomplish for for sure because when i'm looking at it bud You're the first male Two time in two different weight classes to be undisputed Than the four belt era. Yeah that you got all hey if there's a belt if there's a ermez belt ysl tom ford

You got it wba ibf a Ring magazine, whatever the belt is, you have in two divisions, you're the first male to do that. When you sit back, I mean, probably you haven't had an opportunity to really think about it because you're still in it. Do you realize and understand just how special what you've done thus far is?

Yeah, all the time. You know what I mean? I was at my house the other day. I just built a new house. It just got done and I was like man It's an Omaha coffee $57 So I was sitting in the house and I was just sitting there and I was just like man cuz Sometimes I don't congratulate myself right, you know, I just you know, keep it moving right? I was like man Thank you God. I was just like man. You did all this with your hands like from this little dusty little bad little black dude from the neighborhood right that

Is your name on the street now. You did all that, came this far to this. You know, it's a blessing. So I was just like, man, pat myself on the back, look at my accomplishments and you know what I mean, just think to myself that anything is possible. Because you hear a lot of athletes says, you know, when you say, well, what do you think you've done? He's like well once I'm done

I'll get an opportunity to look back and because you're still in the journey fact You haven't arrived at the destination where you say, you know what? I'm putting the gloves up I'm hanging the trunks up and I'm in you're still you're still on this journey and And for you to sit here and say, you know what I did I mean I was at the house the other day and I'm looking around and I'm looking at the belts on the wall and I'm looking at all the accolades and I'm like, wow, I did all this. When you say, I did all this, what are you thinking?

No, I'm just thinking like, you know. More to come, more to do? There's definitely more to come. Okay. That's why I say anything is possible. Right. You know, because I was doubted my whole life coming up. Nobody thought I was going to be where I am at. I didn't think I was going

to be where I am at. Especially living the life that I was living. To accomplish so much in the sport of boxing when so many roadblocks was in front of me and tried to stop me and block me from accomplishing the things that I'll accomplish this far. It's like, dog, you overcame so much. You can overcome even more in the future. Do you sleep well building up to the fight? Like, obviously, you say, you know, like the last six weeks you might go,

you might come to Vegas, you might go to Colorado Springs or somewhere to go to get altitude training. But let's just say the last two weeks of a fight, the last week, the waning, like let's say last week leading up to the fight because you probably arrived. When you, if you're fighting in Vegas, how soon do you get to Vegas?

Probably like two weeks. Two weeks before. Yeah. Do you sleep good? Yeah, of course. Do you still get nervous? All the time. I think everybody get nervous. I don't know a fighter personally

that will keep it real and be like, oh, I don't get nervous. Like, cause you never know. Like I don't care how good you is. I don't care how bad you think you are. That opponent always has a chance on him. Everybody always got a chance. It can be a punch that you don't see

or some stupid crazy punch and it's over with. You know what, I heard Floyd Mayweather and I talked to Floyd and he said that he didn't watch his opponents. He didn't watch film on his opponent. That was his dad's job. That was his uncle Roger's job. They did that and they would implement the game plan.

Do you watch film on your opponents or do you leave that up to your training team to tell you, okay, this is what he does and this is how we're gonna combat that? Well, for the most part, everybody that I fought, I already seen them fought. Because I'm a fan of the sport. So I follow you anyway.

You know, but as far as like watching you and studying you and sitting down, nah. Like I'll watch some fights of you in camp, but you're not gonna fight me the same way. No fighter that ever fought me the exact same way that they fought previously in the age. But when I played, I didn't want to watch a team that we're going to play.

So if they're playing on a Monday night football, I'm not going to watch them because I didn't want to get a false sense. Because if they played really good, I'm like, damn, how are we going to beat this team? If they play bad, I'm like, oh, we got a cakewalk. So anybody that we're going to play, I'm not watching them on television.

Now, obviously I'm going to watch the film because I got to break them down. I want to know what they're going to do this distance this area of the field and things like that But for you to say like, you know, I've studied them So you're watching them Let's just say you're ringside and you're watching them and you're like man if I thought this dude I would do this this I would take this away. I would do this. I'll walk him into this trap Is that how you're thinking when you walk today because I'm analyzing the game if I'm watching a football game

I'm analyzing it. Oh, they're in this formation. They're vulnerable here. Okay, you better be careful because the bliss can come catch you here I'm analyzing the game. I'm just not thinking about touchdowns or catches or yards. I'm analyzing the game I'm playing the game within the game. Is that how you do it? No, you just Yeah, I'm watching as a fan, I see openings, but at the same time, it depends on if it's one of my teammates or somebody I know that's fighting the fighter or whatnot. But I'm just watching as a fan. But if I'm about to fight somebody and I do watch,

I just watch for tendencies, things that they do on a consistent basis. He do this, he do this, he do this. He don't like this. They don't like certain things in a fight. You just break certain little things down. When you sit in ringside, do you get annoyed when people say, hey, what you think, bud?

If he win it, he lose it. What would you do because when I'm at a football game it's hard or when I would go to a bar hey what do you think without a holding what's your damn call here what should they have done there I'm like bro I'm trying to can you really enjoy the fight when you're at a fight yeah for sure you know me because for the most part I'm with people that knows boxing. Okay, they know the game. You know, so I'm not in an area where it's a whole lot of fans that don't know what they're watching. Okay. So I like to be, you know, in a spot where, you know, it's a lot of boxing knowledge, you know.

And then for the most part, you know, everybody's just watching it. You know, you hear people yelling out things like jab or keep your hands up and so So forth, but I'm just watching you know so you don't ever like man. Come on, bro You should have read this man get down here Like as a competitor right you know you think like man, dude It was tripping like you could have did this and did this and did this but at the same time You don't got no dog in the race. So you just watch it as a fan.

Let me ask you this, when it's all said and done, could you be a trainer? Because I think, you know, we see Buddy McGirt did it. I think Virgil Hill became a trainer. There've been a lot of guys that not like you. Because I think it's hard. I think the greater the player is in a said sport, the harder it is for them to coach

because people think it came easy. And maybe it did. You worked hard, but you just had natural gifts that allowed you to see things and do things a lot quicker than someone else that had to work for it. Could you see yourself being a trainer, bud? I don't know. I think training is tough.

A lot of people don't get these coaches enough credit. You know, they going from their family, they probably have 10 fighters, you know, they camp here, camp here, camp here, camp here, you know, they away from their families. You got fighters that don't listen. You got fighters that talk back. You know, you got, you got to have a lot of patience to be a trainer, you know? Or coach, yes. Yeah, and I'm like.

You ain't got no patience, huh? I ain't got no patience, but they say that come with age. Yes, it's done. They say it come with age because, you know, you sitting here and you trying to teach somebody something, but they keep doing the same stuff that you telling them not to do.

And it's like, bro, like. Because, let me ask you a question. Have the coach ever like, bud, we worked on this in camp, bud. You can do this, bud. Just circle, you know, outside, step outside. Can you, do you know like, like damn, I'm effing this up right now.

Can you self-evaluate yourself while you're in the ring? Yeah, for sure, for sure. You know, I know what I'm doing wrong, when I'm doing it. But at times, we all need a reminder. I might go back to the corner and the coach might tell me, hey, listen, you're doing this wrong. I'm like, I know, I know. Then we have a conversation in the middle of the break.

I'm like, all right. And then I come back and be like, all right, I see that you fixed that, but you're doing this now, okay, you know, like let's tighten that up or you know You'd be like, all right. Good job. Good job. I see I see you working on this You know because me and my team we've been together since I was seven Wow, you know, so They know you you know, you feel very comfortable if they see me trying something they see, they know what I'm trying. If they see me how I'm moving or certain body languages, they already know what I'm doing.

Like, all right, I see you looking for it, you know what I mean? But trying doing this to bring it out of him so you can land what you want to land. So, you know what I mean? That's how close and tight me and my team is. You're in the fight. You're fighting. Are you thinking about what you have to do or are you like, okay, I'm thinking about doing this. His counter to this is this. Are you trying to like pick up tendencies what he's trying to do or are you more focused on what you need to do?

All of the above. You know, like my head is racing like... Really? I'll be above. You know, like my head is racing like crazy. You know what I mean? When I'm in the ring, I'm looking at the tendencies. I'm looking at things that you do. I'm thinking that I'm looking at things you don't do. I'm looking at when I faint what you do,

when I punch what you do, you know what I mean? When I counter you what you do. Like everything that I do in the ring is calculated. Okay. You know, so I know like I might do something and don't do in the ring is calculated. Okay. You know, so I know, like, I might do something and don't do it until four rounds later. Right. But let me come back to that, you know what I mean?

Or I might throw a feint at you and be like, all right, you know what I mean? I see you in for that, but I ain't gonna do it right now, but I'm gonna catch you a little later because we got a lot of time, you know? So you gotta be able to outthink the next fighter. It ain't all about what I'm about to do to this guy is you know, it's I'm gonna break this guy down. You know, how I'm

gonna how I'm gonna take away what he's trying to do his strong points. And you know, I mean, make it his weak points, you know, so it's a lot. We hear other sports basketball players, we've heard Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, great players. That's zone. Football players, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, running backs, zone. Baseball player Barry Bond says I'm in a zone. I can actually see, I can tell the pitch that the pitcher is gonna throw before he

actually throw it. But what is it like when Bud Crawford get in the zone? Man, everything's just flowing, you know? Can you pinpoint like, oh yeah, you about to do, I did this, you about to do that, I'm ready for that. And then everything just like, does it slow down? I think every fighter at the highest level get into that zone and you just know, because as a boxer, you know, if I throw this punch, what punches can hit

me? What punches can counter? You know, so you'll see some fighters, they'll throw a punch and they'll miss, but they'll be racing for the counter because, you know, they know, you know, this punch can land if I, if I, if I throw this punch, this punch can land, you know, so if this punch can land and he counter with this, I can counter with this. Because there is a counter for every counter.

So every time you open up to throw a punch, you're susceptible to get punched. But at the same time, if he's counter me, I can counter him. So you gotta always be thinking like, you gotta split second to think you know and that's when the winning starts getting the play. But help me with this we see guys in the

amateurs and they don't win much and they become world champs and we see guys that maybe lose one or two fights in the amateurs and be some slow when it come to the pros. What is it that big of a fights in the amateurs and be some slow when it comes to the pros. What is it that big of a difference between the amateurs and the pros? Definitely. Definitely. For one, when I was in amateurs, we was fighting two men in four rounds in the nationals. You got point system.

Everybody want to... Some people got pro styles. Some people got pro styles, some people got amateur styles. So you'll have somebody come in and throw a whole bunch of punches, hold, and survive for four rounds. You know, that's the amateur game. But then you got some fighters that have that style that's just trying to catch up to you.

You know, you might jump out on them. But as you see, round three, round four, you know, this guy is holding, but he just skated away. You know, he know how to move, you know, within the amateur program. But then when you see when they turn pro, the guy that was more tailor-made for a professional, you know, he'd be more successful. Then you got little smaller gloves, no head gear, you know, and it's a difference. But see, rounds, getting ready for a fight,

how many rounds you going? Man, I don't even count my rounds. Really? No. Do you fight, like, let's just say for the sake of argument, you going, so you have a guy come in the first round, do you have another guy come in the second round, another guy come in with different out. Yeah, it depends we might go

Two rounds two rounds two rounds. We might go three rounds two rounds We might go one one one one one to get different approach You know, I mean so whoo It's different. It depends on what the coaches want at that It's different. It depends on what the coaches want at that day. Sometimes, you know, we might spar one of sparring partner the whole session. You always sparring headgear? Yeah, for sure. Protect yourself. Right. You don't want to get cut. You don't want to take too many punches in training. What size training gloves? 14 out, 16? 16. 16?

Yeah. What type of gloves you fighting in? 10s and I, I used to fight at eights. Eights? Yeah. What's the brand? Everlast. I had some Everlast.

Does anybody still fight in Reyes? Cause they, when I was growing up, everybody fought in Reyes. Here and there, you'll see some fighters here and there, but for the most part. Everlast, winning, gan, Well, not winning, most part. Everlast, Winning, Gantt. Well, not Winning, but Grant. Floyd Floyd, Winning.

Because he had hand problems. Yeah, okay, because they are cushioning. So you got Rival, you got Everlast, and you got Grant, for the most part. Okay. That people fighting there right now. Canelo fighting his own gloves. How did you decide what type of glove you want?

With the trial and error, you fight in a lot of different gloves and said, okay, these feel the best? For me, I only fought in Everlast except my last fight. I think Everlast, you know, me being comfortable with them and them being the gloves that I started with, I just was always comfortable with them. You know, and then when I put on a different glove,

they just feel different, because all of them made difference. So, you know, I was just always comfortable. What are you looking for in a glove? Because some people like, I want to feel my knuckle right to the top, I want you to feel it. I just want my hand to be comfortable,

because I got big hands. Right, yeah. You know, so when I put them in and In the eight ounces man, they'd be like like this man Like when you go to fight you want everything to be comfortable. Yes, you want to be you know, I mean, so I used to get the MX's cuz they wider right, you know The Pyrolox is more thinner. Mm-hmm, you know, the Pyrolox is more thinner,

you know, but MX is wider, so I can... The guy that tapes your hand, he's been taping your hand your whole career? Me? Yeah. You tape your own hand or you have somebody else tape it? Me. You tape your own?

It is. Are you serious? It is. Why don't you? He said the guy, he been taping, yeah, I have. Really? Yeah. Are you the only fighter that do that?

Does that? Oh you got many Pacquiao that taped his own hands. Steven Nelson, he taped his own. Fighters do it. Right. I always did it because in the amateurs, you know I had a time where I let one of my coaches tape my hands and they fell asleep.

And ever since then I was like, man, I'm not doing that no more. Going in there like, head all asleep and stuff. I've been doing it ever since I was a kid. Wow. Appreciate the technique, but you know, hey. For sure, for sure.

I should have been a heavyweight. But see the thing is, bud, what you've been able to do is because you did this for an extreme, like you say, you started boxing at seven. So you got 30 plus years of experience. It's just like somebody that plays football, somebody that plays basketball, somebody that plays baseball.

You're not going to start and say, you know what, I think I'm going to go to, I want to be a professional baseball player. I'm going to pick this up in my 20s. You ain't going to never hit the curve, you ain't going to never hit the slider, and you're not going to catch it with the fastball. But you can see punch and stuff that I wouldn't even think about seeing. That joke would hit me about four or five times, hands back by The The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL draft. We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.

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