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What made you, you was on stage and you snoop dog and Dr. Dre and y'all passed
the torch to Kendrick.
Why did you feel you need to do that?
Because I knew what Kendrick was the first time I ever heard him spit.
And so when they called my name, I got up out the bed.
I shot downtown and I made sure that I was present for what I knew would be a historic
night.
There was a lot of, there was a lot of, you caught some criticism.
Like, I wanted to sign Kendrick.
Yeah.
And then there, I don't know if it was an engineer and say somebody that didn't happen.
So you want to clarify that one?
The thing about that is if you tell me you want a subway sandwich, right?
Yeah.
How can I tell you that you don't want a subway sandwich?
Okay, I feel you said.
You wanted to sign it.
If I say I want to do something, it's what I want.
Right.
You don't need validation for wanting to do something.
Correct.
If you want to go to Aspen this winter, one of your homies can be like, no, he don't want to go to Aspen.
He don't.
I do.
I'd say that's why I wanted to do.
That's what I'm saying.
So it's just that, man.
And you can't, you know, we can't entertain everybody that, you know, has an opinion on things that we say.
But I know 100% sure you can't tell anyone what they want to do if they're of conscious, you know, mine.
When Kendrick mentioned you in the song, Black Boy Fly.
Yeah.
But to have your name mentioned in a song, what does that mean?
Is that the ultimate side of respect?
Is that the ultimate validation?
Yeah, man.
I think that for him to do that
showed his early
onset vulnerability
his adoration,
respected appreciation for
something that I got
got out the gate
a little earlier than him on and I'm
appreciative, you know, to the
fact that he did that to this day.
Who's the best rap
on the West Coast today?
Game.
Damn, that was quick.
Yeah, it ain't. It's, yeah, that's it.
Ain't nobody getting at you?
Can't nobody out rap me, man.
And anybody that knows, anybody that knows will know.
Because people can't, even if you are, like, no one can do what I can do.
Like, no one has my skill set.
Because not only am I, do I have the ability to rap circles around people,
I'm also with all the bullshit, too, if it came down to that.
So it's like, I'm, yeah, I'm the best rapper in this town.
Damn game, I mean the OG, man, there's some OGs, some heavyweights.
I mean, cubes, snoop.
I love Cube, but Cube can't outwrap me.
I love Cube.
And by the way, the reason that Cube can't outwrap me
is because I used Cub's, you know,
I use Cube's legacy to help me sharpen.
I use Snoop's legacy to help me sharpen myself.
I use Dr. Drey NWA.
So it's like those guys came before me, you know what I'm saying?
So it's like Kobe, right?
You know Kobe watched Mike growing up.
For sure, absolutely.
But you see the way he walked?
You see the way he chew that gun?
He got the wristband on his elbow.
Now, Mike, in Kobe's prime, Mike couldn't hold Kobe.
No.
But that's because he came before him and he's done with it.
I'm not saying if I was in 1992 with Cube,
Cube might be able to, you know, go crazy.
Right.
You know, but right now, like, nah, it's not a rapper on the West that's better than me.
You still the best rapper from Compton?
I'm definitely the best rapper from Compton.
Definitely?
Definitely.
is it uh i think we're gonna talk about maybe talk about i'm gonna talk about it now now we just saw
who had that versus we had uh no limit and and uh bird man oh yeah cash money cash money yeah
so who would you want to do a versus against um i'm not i'm more of a fan like i'm a fan
of uh of the versus uh series uh more of a fan than i am a participant okay um and i'm i think
that um you know with my career there's only a few names that can
really, that really even makes sense, you know?
Right.
And I think the only person that I could probably be on a versus with is probably 50 or something
like that.
Right.
Yeah.
You still got beef with Shug?
No, I talked to Shug like a few months ago.
He was in good spirits and, you know, he gave me my props.
We had our, we bumped heads over the years.
But again, I don't, I don't duck no smoke.
So he ended up finding out that, you know, the hard way.
What's your relationship with Drake?
Drake?
Oh, Drake, that's my brother, man.
That's my brother.
I don't cut no corners about my friendship with Drake.
He always been solid with me.
He ain't never done me no wrong.
He always look out for the kids when they want to go to shows and whatnot,
and he ain't never, he had never done me no wrong.
When Drake comes to come, when Drake comes to your hood,
what is the undertaking that you have to take
to make sure he can get in and out and have no issues?
Well, it was all, it's all love.
But number one, you have to be accepted and loved in your hood, you know what I'm saying, which I am.
I've always kept it a buck with people from my neighborhood coming up.
I've been in Compton all my life.
So it's not like I'm some implant.
Right.
I've been there on my life.
My life.
I know everybody, everybody knows me.
People see me while I was in my, you know, in my dark days and know what I was capable of when I was on that type of time.
And at this point, all around LA, it's just a respect thing.
Like, I, you know, I get nothing but like,
what's up, big homie, what's up, game?
Like, that's all around that life from any hood.
So I think I'm far removed from getting banged on and tripped on
because at this point, like, you know, I'm a household name,
so it is what it is.
But, yeah, Drake, it was easy in, easy out.
I mean, when you like, I mean, he's got to be one of the biggest artists.
I mean, yeah, I think he's probably the biggest.
Yeah.
Right now, one of the biggest artists.
I mean, you can make a case.
I mean, maybe Beyonce, Taylor Swift.
I mean, maybe they're right there.
But to hang out with somebody like him,
I mean, you don't look at him like the outside world
looks at him, you look at him like a homie.
You know what Drake does?
Whenever he's in my presence, man, he always,
he always makes me feel like the bigger brother.
Right.
There's always a respect.
And I think with him, it's never been a,
I've sold more records than you
or I got more money than you
because he didn't done both.
When you ever, you're breaking Beatles records, Michael Jackson doing all that, as a, you know, a rap artist or, you know, whatever.
Drake don't even have a music genre to fit in.
He just, he just Drake.
You know, it's one of those things.
Like, I'm not black emoji, I guess.
But, yeah, man, he always, he's always humble, man, in my presence, man.
And I really, really appreciate that.
It makes it easier to navigate the friendship that way.
Man, when you heard Drake like, man, Drake's suing his label.
He's like, huh?
Yeah
What?
Yeah
Nah, nah, nah
You misheard of it
That's me
I don't sue
But that's just me
And again
It's one of those things
Where I can't judge a man
For doing what he thinks
Is just for his self
His career,
his legacy and his family
I'm not,
that has nothing to do with me
I did
I did say
That I don't think
He should do that
But again,
I'm just, that's just me
Being a brother
He don't have to listen to me
Do you believe
rappers need to check in when they come to L.A.
Because you see this, I mean, I've seen it before,
that somebody go to Chicago, or they go to the O Block,
or they go to this place, and they need to check in.
I think people get that twisted, right?
This thing's the old days where you come to L.A.
and we're going to, you know, bully you or say you got to do this or else.
I think it's just put you in a better position.
If you know somebody that's from the city
that is in the genre of music that you're into,
You give a call, like, yo, I'm coming.
What up, Brody?
Just a courtesy call.
And then me, genuinely, if you're my homie, I'm going to make sure that you're straight.
You got guys that know this area.
You know, when America sends troops overseas, they got a liaison.
Somebody that's over there who knows the area.
Can speak the language?
Speak the language.
Who down with our calls?
So that's what it is.
I don't think it's a bully, Shug Night check-in thing.
I think it's just like you should.
And, you know, in the past, we've seen how it goes ugly when you don't.
And I don't condone that in any way.
I think it's, I don't like that.
The pass and the pop smoke, the P&B rock thing.
Like, I don't like that at all.
Right.
You went to Detroit to record with M.
Yeah.
What was that like?
Had you met M before?
Yeah, I met M before in L.A.
In the aftermath, a few times.
Like, Sam, he was around.
Like, we were all tight-knit and know.
days but I went to Detroit and that was probably the um the craziest studio session that
I've ever been in man what made it so unique because M eats like Taco Bell like like it's like
gum like he just eat Taco Bell Taco Bell and he drinks Mountain Dew and he also he uh sometimes
he writes his raps in circles on a paper and then when he read the wraps he turn it the
opposite way so he reading like that yeah it's crazy man
but one of the most talented rappers alive
and it's ever been.
And, yeah, that experience in Detroit was kind of cool.
When they told you, because I'm sure they probably told you about him
before you actually saw him, and they said, man, hey, this is this white dude?
Bro, spit five.
Man, I get, bro, the last dude y'all told us spitfire was an ice ice baby, vanilla ice.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
He liked that.
when you heard him, I don't know if you heard
his record or you heard him in the studio,
when you first heard him,
what went through your mind?
What I first heard,
hi, my name is,
I saw that on MTV and I was like,
damn, this shit is weird, but I like it.
I've never heard anything like that.
I didn't know you could talk about your mom and shit on TV.
Like, you know, so I thought it was crazy.
So by the time I met him,
I was probably like pretty much already a fan
of him in the early stage,
in his career.
So to be on a label with, you know, a guy that outwrap Jay-Z on Renegade, you know, was
crazy for me.
Is that what you try to do when you go on somebody?
Would somebody ask you for a feature?
You get on somebody, you try to bury them?
Anybody that is getting on a song with me, they know that they better go crazy because
I'm definitely going to go crazy, especially if it's my song because I get, I get to hear
what you did and then live with it and then go crazy.
Right.
But yeah, I'm going to try to be my best on every song that I'm on.
Then how you and M end up having a beef?
I was 24, man.
Lord, Habberts, you ain't aged a bit.
Dang!
Nah, you know what it was, man?
I was pissed off at Dr. Dre, and he came outwrap me,
so I was like, let me just try and throw some shots of M.
So that's what it was.
Another one of games, bullheaded decisions that pissed a lot of people off.
You do a lot of stuff to piss people off.
You went at a hove.
Yeah, I did, man, early on.
But, hey, man, I survived through it all.
Hey, you ain't got no apology letters or nothing?
I don't really, you know, I'm not doing it once.
It's okay to apologize.
You already made me apologize, man, to Kim.
But I'm just saying, it's okay to apologize.
You were wrong, game, damn.
I wasn't wrong for going at home, man.
That, like, that was the, and still to this day, like, like, Jay Z is Jay Z, man.
That's rap royalty, man.
That's like, rock and roll hall of fame.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, that's whole.
So it's like if when you was on when you was on the field, man, right?
Like you, you run in like a, you know, post corner.
Yeah, right?
Yeah.
And nigger Ronnie lied out there.
Yeah.
And he wanted the best safeties in the game.
Like, we got to catch the ball and we got to run him over.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's just like that.
It's just my competitor.
But I ain't going to say Ronnie, sit your old ass down.
You need to go home.
Well, but you're going to tell him that with your skill set.
I am.
And that's what it is.
So me, I use my voice to translate my.
You know, my aggression and you had to use your legs and your arms.
Is there anything that you wouldn't say under this track?
Hell no, and that's what makes me dangerous, the most dangerous.
Man, you got some stuff, you got to keep.
Man, you can't keep going below the belt, though, game.
Damn.
You got to keep, hey, right here.
Kids.
Oh, you stay away from Keith.
Yeah, kids.
Okay.
Yeah.
But other than that?
Other than that, it's up.
All the way up.
Oh, Lord of mercy.
Mm-mm-mm.
So you, do you go looking to start beefs?
Sometimes I do, man.
Sometimes I find myself in beefs.
I don't have no...
You ain't got no business!
Nah, man.
But it's just my competitive nature, man.
I get angry sometimes when, you know...
But you ain't even in the game.
Huh?
You ain't in the game.
They play in basketball.
You're a football player.
But I'm always in the game, man.
Sometimes I sell myself in.
That's what I'm saying.
They got too many men on the field, man.
You know, sometimes, man, in, like, certain, you know, certain sports, man,
somebody on the bench get mad, they just run in the game.
Yeah.
You've seen that happen.
Collab.
If there anybody that you haven't worked with that you want to work with?
There's one collab that I always wanted that I'll never get,
and I wouldn't do it, you know, post their death.
It's Amy Winehouse.
I'm a huge Amy Winehouse.
Oh, yeah.
I saw her documentary.
It was so saying.
She can sing, Lord, have mercy.
I'm a big fan of Elton John, too.
Okay.
Yeah.
Just like abstract collabs that nobody would ever see, man.
Like, you know?
You said NBA young boy is this generation's Tupac.
Mm-hmm.
Why do you feel that?
Well, number one, it's not, I didn't make the decision.
These kids did.
And it is what it is.
But I respect it, right?
Because you couldn't tell me nothing about Tupac.
And you can't tell these YN's nothing about NBA Young Boy,
and that's just what it is.
Yeah. I mean, they go crazy.
Have you been to the concert?
I haven't been to the concert, but my son went.
And from his videos, right?
From his videos, the videos that he sent me, I don't see nobody, like, going that crazy.
And I see people going crazy at concerts, but I've seen kids crying, man.
I seen kids crying.
And I ain't seen nobody crying for nobody outside or maybe, like.
Michael Jackson.
I seen people crying Morgan Wallen.
Michael Jackson is the cry maker.
Everybody at Michael Jackson.
He gets to sing and heal the world or, you know, human.
nature, everybody's crying.
You know, tripping out, make a grown man cry.
Right.
But, yeah, other than, like, you know, the Beyonce, Morgan Wallen, like, I'm not, Taylor Swifties, the Swifties, they cry.
They go crazy.
But NBA Young Boy is a rapper, man.
And so rappers making people cry?
Like, I haven't seen that since, like, you know, like Drake.
And I can't say peak Drake because Drake is still.
He's the most stream artist like this year still.
Yeah.
NBA Young Boy tweeted, I want to drop this album.
then die. My life is literally perfect.
I'm just not happy.
It's me.
Yeah.
When you read that, I know where that's coming from.
And I don't know anything about his personal life.
I just know him being a young boy selling out concerts, being a remarkable young artist.
But you reading that, he got a problem with a woman, for sure.
You think so?
For sure.
We only want to die when we lose our girl.
For real.
I'm just being honest, man.
And so if I had to give him advice, man, I would just say
There's so much more to live for?
Number one, there's so much more to live for.
He got a lot of kids, you know.
He's also a very, very talented guy that is changing a lot of people's lives, man.
He's giving a lot of people motivation, inspiration, no matter what we older OGs feel about it, man.
NBA Young Boy is one of those guys that has a lot, a lot to live for.
as far as, you know, again, the tweet, man,
I would just say, pour into yourself, man.
And whatever you got to do,
because I'm assuming that's either,
it has to be about a woman.
Anytime that I wanted to kill myself,
it was probably about a woman.
And he's probably just throwing that out there.
And God forbid that he, you know,
actually does something to itself.
I don't think he would do that.
And I really hope he doesn't.
But just, again,
is what I told you at the beginning of the show, man.
maybe he needs to take a break from music and pour into his family, his girl, his kids, and do that because I find, I find myself being my happiest self when I'm surrounding myself with people that love me the way that I love them.
So I would say tap into that.
You also said, little baby and little dirt would be the Jay-Z and Knows of this generation.
I had G. Herbo and Herbo like, man, look, in my heart of hearts, I believe dirt going to come home.
So I would
I would word that different.
I would say that
Kendrick and Jay Cole
would be more of the Knows of Jay Z
of this generation.
But
Dirk and
Little Baby are great talents, man.
And I hate to see Dirk in the jam
that he in.
And yeah, free him too, man.
I'm just to free everybody, man.
I see.
And I apologize to Kim, so maybe
Kim will come.
You know, Kim trying to be a lawyer.
You know she was trying to free...
Kim trying to be a lawyer.
You never know.
You never know when you need that get out of free jail.
Free the guys.com, man.
Yeah.
Fans saying NBA young boy is bigger now than little Wayne was in his prime.
No.
No.
That's not true.
Wayne...
Wayne is one of those guys, man.
That I know NBA young boy in his heart of heart,
staring in the mirror, knows that he wants...
that he aspires to be that great.
Now, I'm not saying that he's not on the road to greatness.
Right.
Because NBA Youngboy, this is his, this is the resurgence in his, you know, in his career.
He had a little legal trouble.
Yeah.
Had to sit down a minute.
Go to Club man.
Yeah.
Club man.
Everybody don't know a club man.
I don't know why I wanted to go so bad.
But then my grandma told me, boy, that's for old people.
But yeah, man.
I think that NBA young boy, if he keeps going, man,
with his generation, right?
Because the people have to put you in these, you know, on these pedestals.
So I think that if he's going, if he keep going at the rate that he's going down, man,
and selling out these arenas and making these kids go crazy, man,
and he, who knows, man, but Wayne, Wayne, Wayne is the goat, man.
Where would you put Wayne?
Because, like, when people's like, okay, give me your Mount Rushmore, you know,
they have Dodd, they have Jay-Z, you know, you have this rapper, you,
where would you put, where you put Wayne?
I don't, I think I've got to the point of my life where I don't like putting,
Artists in order. I would just, I just know Wayne with Jay and Pock and Big and M are all, Andre
3,000 and, you know, the other guys that Biggie are all that just all in the top 10.
Yeah. Like, just like, scribble, like, scribble, scrabbled up there, man, and no certain order.
I just think that, I know for sure that Wayne's up there. But a young boy tried to charge you
150K for a verse. I think that was his team, man. I can't see in, I can't see a young boy doing
that. But that's the going right. It's the going rate. But,
But I just think it was, like, the wires got crossed,
because I've never paid for a verse in my career.
Time different.
I mean, this was a time ago, though.
So, again, I think sometimes...
It might be two-fitting now.
Yeah, but so the thing is,
sometimes your management has your best interest at heart,
and they'll throw out the rate.
Sometimes the artist doesn't know what goes on.
So, again, I don't think NBA young boy himself
with charge game for a verse.
Right.
What's the most money you charge?
You charge for a verse.
Yeah.
Whoa, whoa.
Yeah, but here's the thing.
I don't charge my friends or rappers that I think are top tier for verses.
I just don't.
But then a lot of people are-
But see, that's how the rich stay rich.
Who get all the free stuff?
People that can afford it.
Who get all the free verses?
Artists that can afford it.
Yeah, now you're right.
What I'm supposed to do, man?
You didn't make the rules, huh?
I got kids to take it.
Birdman, you almost signed with Bird Man.
Yeah, Birdman is like just one of the biggest game fans, man.
He'll tell you himself, man.
He'd be like I always been a fan of game, man,
and he wanted to sign me in the beginning of my career,
but I just, you know, I had a choice to make.
And I felt like Dre was the best fit.
Right.
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After being in the rap game for almost two decades, what have you learned about this business?
That it ain't shit.
That people, it, people, everyone uses everybody, right?
You know I had, what you call him all the head last, T. Payne.
He said that.
He said, everybody didn't tell you their brother, they're not your brother.
They're your brother.
You know, I'm a club, Shea, Faye.
I've seen the whole interview, man.
I can tell you what he said.
He got in some little hot water, too, a little bit, a little bit.
But again, man, again, we're not in judgment.
I felt like what he said was accurate to how I feel.
Now, I'm here on Club, Shea, I'll tell you the same thing.
I don't know, you know, what needs to happen.
But the bullshit level is, it's,
I don't know
it's tired
it's just
it's blowing the Richter scale
bro
like it's crazy
why we can't
just be honest
with each other
bro I'm doing this feature
that's where it is
I'm not your brother
I'm not
we're doing business together
right
and it's okay
we can do business together
but is that
when you lie to my
oh that's my boy
that's my friend
that's my partner
that's my boat
and then
you doing flown
behind my back
but then again
um
to go off
what T. Payne was saying about itself, a lot of, and I don't know if he did this, but you'll be
able to tell me, like, a lot of that is our own fault, right? Should we be thinking everybody's
our brother to begin with? Or are we young, and then we grow wise, and we understand that
everybody ain't our brother. So I think that whatever T. Payne went through in the industry,
which is similar to what I've been through in the industry, you wouldn't be who you were
today unless you went through those experiences. Everybody in NFL when your brother, all the
cats that you ran, you know, that you went to training camp with, who you might have saw in college
when y'all were young and cool,
like when y'all get to the NFL,
it's a competition.
Yeah, it is, but don't tell me you my partner.
Oh, that's my boyfriend, man, me and game, cool.
So a lot of people throw that,
I think that we do that a lot as humans these days, right?
We love bomb, homie bomb, brother bomb, friend bomb,
and do all that too much.
And I don't know what that is, man.
I just, I definitely limit who I call, like, family, brother,
and do all that.
And I told you in the beginning, man,
I'm really adamant about pouring into who pours to me
because it's yielding more positive results
and making me happier every day of my life.
So is it a situation in the business?
You're like, ain't nothing going on.
There ain't ish.
But the bad contract, you feel like people push you
had to, you signed some bad deals,
you got put in some bad situation?
I feel like, yeah, I feel like the,
there's a mass agenda
to take advantage of younger, talented artists
that transcends music, it goes into every business in the world, whether it be Wall Street or the
NFL or the NBA.
Like, of course, if you don't have the right representation and you allow them to, you know,
get you, put you in a contractual situation where, again, you are rendered helpless.
It is what it is.
You've got to get your team up from the beginning.
So all younger artists sitting here watching me speak should make sure that they lawyers
top tier and their team is on.
and you trust in the people who are down with you
in the early stages of your career
you built something like Birdman and Slim.
Right.
Birdman had been winning for, I don't know how long.
You could be mad as you want, but he good.
Yeah.
So he did his business right.
Master P, another guy, did his business right.
Snoop dogs selling coronas, car insurance,
Shaq selling pizza.
Yeah, Abby here, hey, Snoop might be the biggest thing.
I mean, have you ever.
seen anybody have a bigger transformation to go from what he was from Long Beach, California.
Now he's doing the Olympics. He's gotten a project with Martha Stewart. Can you get any more
Lily? I always say that my top three people in life that everyone knows exists, everyone,
everybody on earth know these three names. Jesus, Michael Jackson, and Snoop.
Guaranteed. Guaranteed. One Snoop got with most Snoop got with
weren't the Stewart. It was up. It was up. Because that's a match
that nobody saw. Yeah. Nobody saw. Snoop get his
money, man. I ain't. I ain't mad at him. The Navy SEAL,
the one that killed Osama bin Laden. Robert O'Neill? Yeah. Yeah. Was listening
to the Red Nation. How did that make you feel?
That made me feel kind of cool. I ain't going to lie. You know, some things
like, you know, you go through your career, man, and you got certain accolades that mean
a lot. And some, you could just be like, I,
But that one, that one was kind of, that was a big deal.
When you write a song, are you thinking about the environment
or the people that could potentially listen to that song?
Or you just write the song, you write how you feel in that moment?
I just write how I feel in that moment.
And then at the end of the day, but you know what?
I only, when I write songs, I'll write a verse and a hook.
And if I don't feel like it's going to be, like, great,
then I just won't finish it, you know?
Right.
so I'm not wasting time in the studio.
So you write the verse before you,
because, like, you hear, like,
Hove just be, like, dumping, he'd hear the beat.
I don't think he write, though.
I think he just...
Yeah, like, Wayne.
Wayne don't, like, write stuff.
No, Wayne don't write at all.
But, see, those guys, man,
but, see, the difference between me and them is,
they, like, they were always rappers.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, they've been rapping for so long.
Me, I chose rap to save my life,
so I had to learn how to rap.
Okay.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, really learning.
And it was based on, like, Wayne was already, I think Wayne might have been in rap longer than Jay-Z.
But, yeah, I just, again, I study Wayne, early Wayne, and all that.
So it's like, those guys are different, man.
The things that I've seen Wayne doing a studio is just remarkable.
Have you written for other artists?
Yeah, a lot.
Where are you on ghost writing?
Because I've had a lot of, having a lot of people on, and then something like, nah, no, you can't be a true emcee.
If you have ghost riders and then some people are like, it's okay.
Where are you on this?
You can't be a true MC if you have ghost riders, I don't think, a true MC.
Okay.
A true MC, to me, is like a Nas or Jay-Z or Ice Cube or MC Wren.
Kendrick Lamar, like, you know, Jay Cole.
These are guys that have a skill set to really, like, they can go in any,
any, any rap room and hold their own.
Yeah, that's a true MC, KRS1 and, you know, those guys.
That's, KRS1, I look at KRS1, I look at rock hymn, I look at Scarface, those are
lyricists.
Yeah.
There ain't very many of those anymore.
You know what, but it makes it, it makes it a lot easier to appreciate the ones that
are here.
Like, I listen to, you know, a lot of Kendrick.
I listen to a lot of J-Col.
Right.
I listen to a lot of J-I-D.
I've been listening to old
Yay
lately just to
you know
go back and just
you know
really feel good
about the artistry
of music
this
this genre of music
I mean this
this era of music
it's not all for me
but I can still appreciate
it and I can still
applaud
I'm not one of them
you know them older artists
or you know
them legendary artists
who was like
this ain't how it was
when we used to be
I'm not doing that
you know what I'm saying
I can appreciate it
and I can applaud
You call some criticism because fans say you was rapping some of the same freestyle that you was rapping when you were younger.
Yeah.
Well, no, it wasn't a freestyle.
And I'm not really a freestyle artist.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
And most times when rappers are freestyling, they probably wrote it, learned it, and then are coming in and freestyle.
So it ain't really off the dome like they're saying it is.
No, and it's not a lot of people that can do that.
There's a few guys that can really, really freestyle and go crazy.
Wayne is one of them.
Kendrick's another one.
and you got a bunch of like freestyle rap artists.
Right, but that's what they do.
It would be like Steve Kerr.
Steve Kerr is not a dunker, but he can, you know, put it in the rim.
He can say he's a shooter.
Curry's a shooter, he's a shooter, not a dunker.
LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, these are dunkers.
So it's just, you know, it different.
I mean, it differs.
But for me, I was just being lazy and rap at that time.
They would ask me in freestyle and I would just be lazy.
I would put like two, four bars before it,
and I would spit this song that I knew by heart
because they had no hook and it was just long.
You know what I'm saying?
And it was the red rose white ceiling.
And so when I see my kids send it to me first
and they thought it was funny, but I thought it was funny too.
And any time that somebody's critiquing you
or there's constructive criticism
or destructive criticism, if you just embrace it,
you can just go with it, man.
Right.
You know?
Rapping.
Other people are getting involved.
Where are you on this?
You know, you hear this term, culture, bulture.
Yeah.
where are you on that um i think that we all vultures or something man like you it again all we
we have all these different scenarios in the world where we can pass judgment on anybody and
there are entities that um soak up the culture but they've been doing that since shit
levi's and straws the the the first blue gene was made by black people you know all the first
uh you know uh you know the soul singers and the jazz is all black people so
If other humans come in, man, and they become culture vultures, I mean, it is what it is.
You know, we didn't necessarily create, and I'm talking about, you know, black people.
We didn't create everything, but we created a lot.
A lot of it.
And other people created some things.
Like, I mean, you have people like Asian people, right, over in China, Japan, all those countries over there that created certain things.
And am I, like, if I like sushi, am I a culture vulture?
You know what I'm saying?
So it's just like, man, I'm getting to a point.
And again, you know, we're older.
Right.
And I'm getting to a point where I'm just more relaxed, more understanding, more patient, more wise,
and I'm not really passing judgment, man.
Right.
Sample.
Would you let someone sample your music?
Yeah, for the right price.
Let me ask you a question.
They sample it.
Do you have to hear their song before you say, okay?
If you are really meticulous about, you know, letting your music go.
For instance, like Anita Baker doesn't let anyone sample.
I remember when I was younger, I think Dre tried to sample, and she said no to Dr. Dre.
So it's like some people just want their music to stay, you know, sacred to them and their fans and the legacy that they've built and leave it in that time that it was and just let it be exactly what it was, which is amazing music that transcends, you know, decades and decades.
Another person that does that is, I think, Chaudet.
But I do think that she, I think she let Rima use her, you know, her voice on Is of the Crime.
So, I mean, yeah, it just varies, man.
But I'm always down, man, you know, support other artists.
You want to sample my music.
It's all good.
But, you know.
So what was the hardest sample that you had to get cleared?
Sheesh.
I don't think I've ever really had a hard time clearing a sample.
When you got the machine, and I mean, like, Interscope.
Yeah, Interscope.
and, you know, Dr. Dre,
aftermath behind you,
it's really about the dollar amount.
So as long as somebody can cover the dollar amount,
you're pretty good.
I'm never trying to sample Anita or Shaday or anything like that,
but I've never really ran into any...
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Tupac samples might be the hardest.
Right.
Yeah.
Where are you on streaming?
Because I get a lot of, I mean, some people like love it, some people that hate it, some people say it's
destroyed the music industry, as far as albums, being able to sell albums,
because everything like everything down there goes straight to streaming now.
I think it's another ploy that the messaging that came up with to shortchange the artist,
talented people.
And so I'm impartial to it.
But then people are getting streams in the billions.
Yes.
We weren't selling billions of albums.
So, I mean, you know, it's just, it is what it is.
This is where we're at in life.
We're streaming music.
We phased out of CDs and records and eight tracks,
and you just got to go with the times, man.
And the person that told me to do that to have longevity was Ice Cube.
Wow.
You say you have to embrace where hip hop is right now, man.
And not worry about what it used to be.
Man, I remember with it, you know, because the old time was, man,
I remember back in my day, you're not back in your day, no, but it ain't coming back.
It's not.
Right.
Best hip-hop
album in history
Hmm
Best hip-hop album in history
Jesus, man
For me, personally
Mis-education of Lauren Hill
Wow
For me personally
If I'm not mistaken, I got
But didn't I get voted
Like the best album of all time?
Oh, did it?
I think it did.
Wasn't it in Apple Music?
I think Apple Music voted
That album, I question it, I listen to it, I ask myself how while I'm listening to it.
Everything on there from start to finish is seamlessly classic.
And so, yeah, it's funny that this is number one all-time.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Yeah, I think that's it.
What's the best rap album?
The best rap album of all time.
for me this is tough man um the chronic wow wow the chronic yeah that that album set us up for a very
long time and I mean again man Snoop is selling Q-tips coronas come on man and
that wasn't that more like you do you feel like I mean I feel like this it was
more Snoop's album than it was, Dre, because Snoop.
It was definitely Snoops coming out party.
And Snoop wrote the rhymes, too, all of them, you know, for the most part.
So, yeah, him and corrupt.
But, yeah, yeah, chronic album is crazy.
Now that you, you know, you're not 24 anymore.
You're done fighting in the streets.
Am I?
Am I not?
I don't know.
I looked at myself before I left.
I'm looking 24-ish, baby.
Yeah, man.
You know?
Man, you got to let that go, game.
Nah, man.
I'm on my Jim Jones, Fab Meno stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm a Y-N out here.
No.
Hey, what about, would you do an exhibition boxing match?
The money right.
I'll do it.
Win, lose, draw.
It don't matter to me.
Just get the bread right.
No, I don't care.
I ain't taking no else.
I got to feel like a.
I mean, hey, at the end of the day, man, I'm not a professional boxer.
So if somebody got the right bread, I'll get in there.
I guess another non-professional boxer.
For sure.
That, yeah, I'm taking that off top.
And you throw me extra a couple million, I fall.
I fall on the third.
Man, you're going to taste the canvas.
Take a fall.
I'll make that shit look like the most dramatic fall you ever seen.
Depending on the dollar amount.
Did you beat Mike Tyson an arm wrestling match?
For sure.
But again, it's the older Mike Tyson, man.
Oh, so you caught him when you like,
55, 56.
Yeah, man.
A few years, I think it was like two years ago.
He definitely strong, but I definitely won.
And it wasn't like, I won.
It wasn't close?
No, I won.
No, it was a little tight.
But I definitely beat Mike Tyson and then arm wrestling.
And you know, he's going to laugh about it like, I can't eat.
I just playing with, you know, but I definitely won for sure.
Hold on.
Tell me about this dating show that you was on.
Change of heart.
Yeah.
You're trying.
You know what?
What? I wasn't 24. I was 18. Okay. I was 18. My girlfriend at the time, bro, listen. We were laying in the bed, chilling in my mom's house, right?
We was watching TV. Commercial came on. If you want to be on Change Your Heart, she was like, we should go on there. I was like, okay, cool. She was like, they pay $1,000 for every couple. We saw that, right?
Right. I'm like, $1,000, $500, $500, $500. Cool, let's do it. She called.
the people, man, put our name in.
I'm never thinking they're going to call back, man.
They call back to the next day.
They were like, can you come down to L.A. next week?
I'll end up getting, I cut my hair bald, man.
I got me a little Fubu shirt for the mall, some Fubu jeans, some Jordans.
She got, you know, she got all dead up and we got in the car.
And we drove down to L.A., man, and we went to it.
And that was my first brush with, like, this is really like a show for show, right?
So what happened was you don't get to choose the outcome.
Right.
they have it already written, it's scripted.
But I didn't know that.
I thought I'd get to go on, you know, a little date with a shit,
maybe smash, maybe leave my girl for her
and like experience something real.
But it was, it wasn't like that, man.
It was a whole production.
We had to learn the script and read it like exact.
We had to cut, take, cut.
And then we had to come back and they made a decision.
And when I saw my card, I was like, why I got to get dumb?
You know?
And hers was like to change.
choose another guy, but yeah, we, after that,
we went home together. I mean, we went back, drove back
together, blah, blah, blah. So they
don't actually go out on a date with the other day. No, we went
on a date, but after the show, like
me and my girl, at that time, we were locked in.
So we drove right back home, and we had our little
check, and we busted down. We
ended up, like, going to the movies and doing
a bunch of stuff, and, you know, we went in
JC Pennies. I got me some docker fits,
and she got her some little dresses, and what was
like? So what do you think when those
clips resurfaced, like, damn, man,
a gang got dumped. This girl dumped.
told the other guy.
Man, I was 18.
I had a time of my life, and I got paid for it.
And I think that that's just part of my story, too, man.
Like, I was just, you know, when you're young, man,
you do all kind of stuff trying to find your way.
I read that you said, I regret sleeping with so many women
because there was really no intent to have anything long term.
Yeah.
About that.
Sleeping with women, just multiple women,
during times in my life where I was just going through life as a young,
hip hop artist. It wasn't
when I was in my 20s I didn't really
I didn't really care you know we I'm young
the girls young
we they're having a good time I'm having a good time and that's it
I keep your number in my phone you know
and then we'll talk again or maybe we won't
as you get older man you start to realize
that because I have a type of woman like
I'm into
classy women
you know I'm saying classy independent women
who are like not easy you know meaning
that money and like fame ain't
don't really get you just type of woman.
You've got to be charismatic, funny,
and you have to be a gentleman.
These are the type of women that I'm attracted to.
So, um,
frequenting different women in that caliber of women,
you start to feel bad because these are somebody,
like you literally holding somebody's wife hostage
because these women are going to be married to a great guy.
Yes.
Right?
So the longer that you prolong this relationship or this,
these relations
with this person you have no
intention and having a future with man
the worst you feel as you get older
if you have the type of heart
and conscience that I do. So
yeah, I had to slow down on all that.
Do you feel like you were a womanizer?
For sure. For sure. For sure.
100%.
And I don't think it was fair
to anybody, not even myself.
Did you apologize to him?
I big on apology. I big on
apology. I'll be apologizing until the next
Christmas, man.
You said the men should stay single unless they're ready for a two-week minimum of $200
lashes, $300 hair, $250 nails, 200 toes, 200 makeup, $500 lunch money, $500 drink with
the home girls, and $1,000 for clothes, not including rent, card note, bill help.
Yeah, I think that that is bare minimum for a woman that you're taking serious.
500, 7, 50, 950, 1150, 1650, 2150, 2150, 22, 50, not including rent, car note.
Damn!
Yeah, man.
So that's like five, that's like five, six grand a month, gang?
That's, and that's, that's low.
That ain't, you know, five grand.
Oh, yeah, for L.A., that's really low.
Like, we live in Los Angeles.
Yeah, for sure.
Even if you give a woman five grand, right, and she has a decent apartment.
Yeah.
That's, you know it's $2,700 for a decent one.
Easy.
She has a car, no car insurance.
That's going to be about $1,000.
So that's 37, right?
She got her, she's riding the bus for $1,000 a month.
Her self-care, her self-care, man.
That's going to be about $1,000.
Yeah, because you want to look nice?
Now you have $4,700.
Yeah.
So then the bill, cell phone bill, all that, she's going to be flat broke.
Yeah.
So what I was saying is if you're going to take a woman serious and you're the type of man that I am, like, I'm a caretaker.
I just, that is my, um, that is my, um,
You take over everything.
You hit the door.
You're like, I got this.
I got you.
I got you.
If we're exclusive, this is what I think that you deserve based on how I was raised by the three women that I was raised by, which would be my aunt, my aunt, my auntie, my mother and my grandmother.
There was a lot of Cam, Cam Noon caused a lot of controversy that he asked this girl who she's been with body count.
Don't do that.
Don't do that.
Uh-uh.
Because he's saying he didn't want to be, he didn't want to be.
He didn't want to be kiki-ki-kiing in some guy's face knowing that.
I don't mind.
Don't tell me.
I'm with you.
Yeah, I don't want to know.
I'm with you when you're right now.
Because we always be like, you know, like you got to give women credit because they're strong.
We do a lot of bullshit and women put up with it, right?
But women lead with emotions.
We lead, you know, we lead with.
And so, you know, sometimes, you know, my girl asks me, you know, like, what is it?
And I'd be like, I don't know.
Like, we, men in general, you can be tall, fat, skinny, rich, poor.
We all have this thing to where we like to frequent multiple women,
which makes me believe that, I don't know, somewhere in our creation,
that we weren't supposed to just be with one woman.
Yeah, we weren't supposed to be like that.
Or else, why do we have these urges?
We didn't create ourselves, right?
Right.
And I'm still a work in progress myself.
But women, they're faithful and they're intuitive.
And they know when you're doing it anyway.
They just know somehow.
Right.
But yeah, women lead with their emotions.
So take this.
Your girl, most women, right, especially the good women, they're not just going to go and have sex with somebody.
No.
They're not.
They have to be fully moved on.
They're not even going to do it for revenge.
They have to be emotionally detached from you to move on.
Right.
We can be in love with you, still go have sex with a woman.
As soon as we get that posting that clarity,
We are Scooby-Doo legs back to the house.
Hey, baby, how was your day, huh?
You know, hell of, hell of, like, walking in there.
Like, you know, we don't know what's going on.
But, yeah, man, like, women and men differ in that space, man.
And so, you know, as men, as real, man, we just got to do better.
Where are you on your homeboy?
Your homeboy dating this girl, she's 5.10, 165, nice hair, lashes, nails.
I mean, she's nice.
65.
It's thick.
Yep, 510, though.
yeah yes you're on up there you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying stack like dirty laundry
in the dorm room yeah you know what i'm saying i want no issues clay so they break up you cool with hollinetta
i think that i think i'm cool with that oh no the answer is no the answer is no let me tell you why
let me tell you why the reason is is love is a really mysterious
fruit. And the person, the woman that's dating your
homie, that might be your soulmate. You
don't know. And if he didn't marry her or he doesn't
have children with her, then she just goes back into the single market
with everybody else. For somebody that don't know her.
Right. But I just feel like... Which is me. I feel like it's better if you know her.
No, it's not better. Yeah. No. So how you invite your homeboy? Hey, homeboy, come on over, man.
Let's watch the game.
Hey, here she comes trotting out there.
Hey, game, what you want to drink?
No, but guess what?
Again, the type of woman that I'm attracted to
is never going to date my homie ever.
Never.
I mean, never and ever is a long time.
It hasn't happened.
I'm half dead.
Because I'm saying, when I was, you know, 45, three days ago,
when I was 45, you double that.
That's 90.
I mean, am I, maybe I lived in 90, but I'm on the other side.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Like, yeah, man, I got to be, I got to be, you know, a realist.
And people would agree if they're honest with themselves.
But you got a lot of people, they won't cut this up, they're going to see clips and
like, game, say, you should fucking.
Yeah, I'm talking about your homie, homie.
I ain't talking about somebody in the industry that you was cool with or something like that.
I'm talking about your homie.
I feel like if you guys are not engaged, not married, and you do not have children
that that woman is fair game.
She's not fair game.
I don't know.
She is off the game.
She's off the block.
I don't know.
Agree to disagree.
So where are you on spinning the block?
I don't really, I don't really spend the block, man.
I feel like what's in the rearview is in the rear view.
And then you know, like I know.
Mm-hmm.
Ain't nothing like that new, no.
I don't know.
I'm just, you know, hey, maybe it's time me to spin the block.
Let me know how that work out for.
You had a reality show called Marrying the Game.
Yeah.
You still want to get married?
Yeah, I want to be a husband.
You're going to be a husband?
Yeah.
I mean, just entitled or you want to be a husband?
That's why I'm not married, because I ain't been right.
I haven't been husband material up to this point.
Right.
But I think that I'm the best version of my...
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Self that I've ever been now, as far as, like, you know, relationship is concerned these days.
Like, you know.
You have been engaged?
I've been engaged twice.
Who called it up, you or her?
I think the first one I called off, because I was just immature, 24.
And then the second one, my kid's mom, she called.
because I was running around.
You got the bad, huh?
She's a school teacher, man.
She just wasn't going for the disrespect,
the public disrespect.
Yeah, for sure.
You have a new kid,
and it's, boy, they were tearing you up, game.
I had to look at it.
They were tearing you up.
Tear me up, man.
Yeah, because the bad day's like,
how do you have a kid from your friend's dog?
Yeah, so the thing is,
is my kid's mom went to
Evelyn's baby shower
but they are not friends
she just went to the baby shower
okay you know what I'm saying
if you go to Taylor Swift concert
they don't make you in Taylor's
you know friends
you're just there
but yeah they
so the public fans or whatever
they just got that part
you know twisted
like they're not they're not friends
okay so she just happened to be
at the shower
she just came to her baby shower
okay
I thought baby shower
like invite on but okay
I don't I mean you got to
You got to get with these women, but what I can tell you is they're not friends.
But again, man, when you're dealing with, you know, grown and mature and classy women, man,
you notice that they don't really speak much on it or have anything to say negative about it
or feed into, you know, the internet's pool of, like, explanation.
Did you know who she, did you know who she was when you saw her when you met her?
Yeah, for sure.
But then again, you know, I don't be having no filter sometimes, Shannon.
I am a work in progress.
So, I mean, you're like classy, you're like independent.
So this might be.
Like two peasies, too.
Yeah, two.
She might come from a, you know, might come, you know, this might be your best chance.
Yeah.
Who might be my best chance?
Situation you're in right now.
Oh, yeah, you know.
Hey, you never know, man.
You never know.
TikTok, TikTok, TikTok.
Tip, TikTok.
I'm on the clock for show.
Yeah. My grandmother used to tell me, man, we only live for three scores under 10.
You know what that is?
No.
That's, uh, it's in the Bible.
I think, uh, every score is 20 years.
20 years, yeah.
So 70 years is if you live 70 years, then you lived a good life.
For sure.
And you should.
We almost, you, you almost, oh, I got 57 Sumbra's under, but Bill.
See?
I know, 13, no, man.
Yeah, you know.
Not saying that at 13 mo, you're gone.
But I'm saying, like, you know, after 13, you live the good life.
Just the case, I better speed up, huh?
Yeah, man.
They're talking about, man, you need to slow down.
Uh-uh, I got less time.
I'm speeding up.
You got to start looking at your homie's exes.
No, no.
Oh, dude.
Watch, we're going to see Shannon end up engaged
to one of his homies exes.
Dude, that ain't going to happen.
The better love of your life.
Dude, I absolutely not.
Would you ever abstain from pre-mital sex until you were married?
I don't think I'm that guy.
I think I'm a raw-diggity dog.
That ain't going to lie, man.
Sometimes I can't even find the condoms, man.
Come on, Gabe.
Come on, man.
No, Lord of mercy.
You would know you wear your shoes with no socks.
Same thing.
You like to be free.
Come on, now.
Come on, man.
Let the church say amen to here, man.
No restriction.
You know?
Cheers, man.
Duce.
Don't know.
Oh.
Damn. See, early offset dimension.
Hey, but you call some criticism.
Man, you had to wear the, how you hugged a man, wife, like that game?
Yo, that's like my sister, man.
See, yeah.
The internet is terrible, man.
Yeah, it is.
I've been knowing Kamai for so long, man.
I'm good with her.
Like, people see that, but they don't see me, you know, in a picture with her dad and a picture with her mom.
And then Brad is my dog.
Like, that's my dog.
That's like my brother and my sister.
You know what I'm saying?
So it is what it is.
But the internet always going to find something out of something, man.
Yeah, man.
I don't know about you.
You're talking about you date your home boy, girl.
Yeah, not, nah, not that.
That's literally like my sister, man.
So what type of father are you?
What type of father?
You come talk to your dad.
You know, you stern but fair.
I mean, what type of dad is gained?
I'm just, I'm an open book.
Just keep it 100 and we want to have no problems.
Don't lie to me because I'm going to catch it.
I'm, you know, old enough to be a real father,
but I'm young enough to keep up with you on social media.
Right.
So just don't try to get it off.
It's not going to work.
I tell my kids that every single time, I've got my sons to a point where they're, you know,
adults now and they, you know, living together and doing their, you know,
their brother thing.
And so I got my daughter and then I got my little son.
But yeah, I parent the same way.
I treat them all the same.
I give them the same values.
And, you know, up to this.
this point is went off without a hitch.
Do you, do you parent the girls different than you do the boys?
Yeah, man.
My daughter, man, she, she is a straight-A student and she is the love of my life.
She also has a Christian podcast, too.
We got to get you on one, yeah.
Christian podcast.
Oh, yeah, we got to get you on season two.
Yeah.
Season one, we was busy, you know, but we got you.
But yeah, man, she's a good girl, but parenting a daughter is...
It's very different.
Being a father to a daughter that's going through...
being a teenager is crazy man and and all my kids except the baby has had one not a whooping
traditional with a belt but I had to bomb on my sons once each and then they got it and we never
had a thing again right and so not long ago man I had to me and my daughter we had a little
challenging day and I was like hey is it punishment or is it a whooping and she was like yep
punishment and so that's about as far as we got it but I don't think I don't think I could ever um I
could ever discipline her the way that we got disciplined.
Oh, no, you're going to jail.
Yeah, oh, for sure.
Damn.
You're going to jail.
Yeah, you can still get that off in the South somewhere.
No, you can't.
My kid's grown, so I ain't got to worry about that, and I'm done.
Yeah, well, my mama threatened me.
Oh, yeah.
Like two days ago.
Oh, I'm fair.
Can she go to jail?
Yeah, you have to call that in.
That's a threat.
Imagine me calling CPS.
Hey, I'm 46, man.
But yeah, nah, man, my daughter, man.
she's my lifeline man
and I definitely
she's the number one drive
for everything that I do these day
Nick Cannon said he'd rather raise
a bully than his child be bullied
I agree
with that
yeah I mean as a father
your kids grown
grown grown and so
when you raise them man
I know you raise them to not be
pushing nobody
wants to have kids to be
bullied but sometimes
kids just get bullied
so I think I'm
I'm partial to both sides because I sympathize with kids that are getting bullied.
I don't think that's cool.
And being a former bully, but I, like, I bullied different.
Like, I bullied all the bullies in school.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
I've been, like, the same height since fifth grade.
They thought I was going to be a giant.
Right.
But, yeah, man, I'm not, my kids are not, my daughter don't fight, but she shouldn't.
My daughter's like, dad, what would I, if somebody tried to fight me, what would I do?
Like, I was like, you just, you know, you put your arms, and she's like, oh, no, I can never.
And I'm just like, hey, well, be a princess.
But yeah, and she's 5'9, you know.
Right. But my sons, they, you know, they with it.
How do you different, how do you parent the oldest two boys compared to the youngest now?
How are you parenting different?
Because that was a long time ago, game.
Yeah.
I think I'm more seasoned as a father at this point.
And I think, you know, for the most part, during these stages, the early toddler stages,
I think it's all mommy and all financial.
supporting presence from the father.
But the mom has to do the day-to-day.
And so I think it should, that's just what it is.
And it yields better results when you let the mom take control and you just
there to support, you know, whatever they may need, no matter what that is.
What's the key to co-parenting successfully?
To let the woman just run it.
Larry picked the school, pick the clothes, and you just pay.
That's it.
Shut up.
Is it hard to discipline the child?
Because I found it very hard to discipline my child.
when, you know, they do something
and their mom would call me,
I was like, well, what do you want me to do?
I'm not there.
Right.
So it's really hard
because I don't want the child
that when they see me,
I'm playing, and when they see me,
ah, I'm all in your face like that.
You know what I'm saying?
So, you know, it's like, take care of it.
Now, when you, they're under my roof
and they misbehaving,
obviously.
But how difficult is that for you
when the kids were growing up
and you weren't there on the day-to-day,
And they call you, it's like, man, game.
They probably, they probably called you by your government name.
We just, you know, we do it like the feds do.
We just build a case.
And when I get back, when I get back, I'm going to get with you.
Then I got a Rico, they got a Rico charge, y'all.
I'm going to hit you with the Rico.
You did this, this, and now.
We're going to let it stack up if I ain't there.
Did you see, like, I think with Kanye that he had an issue with, I think Northwest is his
oldest daughter.
Yeah.
He had an issue with the way she's dressing.
Did you ever have an issue with the way your daughter's dress?
Yeah, you know, times are changing, man.
And I've never seen my daughter dress any more inappropriately than the advertisements in the wall at these little girl stores.
Okay.
So that's where I gauged it from.
It's their time.
They wearing, you know, their stomach out and altar tops and little skirts and whatnot.
And so we got, we ran into a couple of little times where I had to.
get her right, but that's when that private school
come in. You know what the dress cold. You wear the same thing. Every single
day, you know, the skirt's got to be, you know, covered knees and all that. So
she really, on the week, by the time the weekend comes, she wants to hang out with her
friends, you know, usually her mom's with her. Now she's getting to a point. She's 15
where I'm letting her go to the promenade or hang out with her friends and all that,
and I got her location. But I trust my daughter. Yeah. I trust her. We built
over the last 15 years, which it felt like 30. We've built a good rapport with each other.
Yeah, I love her and I trust her and she, yeah, again, you know, she got fairing, man, so she knows what so.
Is there anything that you wouldn't allow her to where?
Oh, yeah, man, we're not over-sexualizing ourselves.
We're not doing piercings in places where I don't feel like they belong.
But I also did tell her as soon as she's 18, she can make decisions.
That's how I was.
I'm going to tap out at that point.
And I think that all decisions as far as like boyfriend,
and relationships and intimacy and all that,
revert back to her mother.
Yeah.
I think that I've got you to 18.
Obviously, she's going to a premier college,
and from there, you and your mother should be able to navigate through these things.
I only come in when something gets weird or disrespectful or something like that.
But I think that I'm raising an outstanding young woman,
and she's going to go and do great things.
How do you handle the social media?
My daughters?
You.
Because, you know, people come at you all kind of how and say crazy thing,
But so where are you now?
Because I can't imagine.
And it's hard because, like, people are so receptive and so respectful when they see you in person.
Right.
But when they can hide behind that computer screen and be in that basement or be somewhere that's far, far away out of reach, out of touch.
Right.
They say the most disrespectful and reckless.
Well, you've got to start the foundation.
The foundation of it all is they follow you.
Right.
Not the other way around.
Correct.
So if you are 100% invested in yourself, your brand, and who you are,
and you're operating at, you know, the highest level of confidence,
you should have no problem with anybody saying what they say.
It would be like the Walton family in Walmarts.
Like, everybody ain't going to like the chicken and Al 3.
But we Walmart and we got 100,000 of these stores.
Right.
And you can't please everybody, man.
So I don't even, if I catch some bullshit, I'll go in there and be a troll.
You know, I have my 50 moments.
where I just go and don't care and make comedy out of it.
But for the most part, I don't, I don't even read it and I don't even care about it
because it is someone somewhere unhappy with themselves, you know, diving in with an opinion
that no one else cares to hear except, you know, this platform.
And we, I think a lot of times these days, we lose the, we lose sight of what social media is.
Right.
It's literally social media.
Instagram is a video and picture app.
TikTok is a, you know, a video app.
You just got to understand what you're clicking on.
But then again, listen, if I got a gambler problem and I keep going to the casino, I mean, is it MGM fault or my fault?
Yeah.
If I have a social media addiction and I can't stay off the app, then how am I going to complain about something that's going on within, you know, that little camera space?
So it's like, I don't get into all that, man.
I get on there.
I don't really post that much, but when I do post and people comment or they got something to say about game, like say what you want to say.
At the end of the day, I started off trying to make a name for myself and be great and being able to take care of my family and provide for my children.
I've done a remarkable job at that.
And so I don't really care what nobody got to say if it ain't positive.
Is that how you protect your mental health?
Oh, the mental health started back in the, you know, the foster home when I told you I built that wall up.
I stopped giving a shit about things that would like had me in my head too much.
I just don't, I'm not thinking about that.
I'm thinking about how many days left I got on earth, making the best of them, and being kind to as many people as I can before I go.
That's about the tattoos.
I mean, what made you decide to get tattoos on your face?
Because my grandmother, everything's going to revert back to my grandmother.
She told me, my mom was mad that I was getting tattoos when I was young.
And her mother, my grandmother told her, her daughter, she was like, well, the skin is just a costume that he borrowing for God, borrowing from God for about eight.
years she said and you know at the end of the day when we passed we all have to turn our costumes back
in that god let us borrow which would be the shell of a man he is just going to have writing on it
what's the big deal and so from then man i just went crazy and tattoos are addicted man
once you get one you just keep on going i ain't got none good man i always wanted to be you i was you
at one point and then i got no pierces yeah see limited facial hair yeah you good man
Living the American dream, Shannon.
But you have, look, you got a face with tattoos,
you got a tattoo dedicated to Kobe.
Which tattoo did you have means to most of you?
I think I got my daughter's face plastered,
like right in the middle of my chest.
And every time I see it, I just remember this point in life
where she was like, I didn't want her to grow older than that age.
You know how it is.
And then they do, and then it gets a little weird.
like where's my baby but yeah man that that's they'll come back because they go through that stage
like they're cute and then all of a sudden they get that teenage years and they get them hormones
start going on and they hate you yeah and then they come back and then like everything that you say
yeah so it's gonna be it's gonna be full-circuit she 15 yeah how's your oldest
33 oh yeah see so where do you get 17 18 19 yeah mm-hmm
acting
you're done with acting
or you want to get back into it
you know what
I'm really good at acting
but
like it's to hurry up and wait
I do not like that man
it's crazy
it's like we would be shooting a movie
and they would ask us to be there at 4 a.m
and I wouldn't be shooting until 4 p.m
and I can't figure out for the life of me
why I need to sit in its trailer
but then again
it's somebody's money they want everybody on set
and you know they may
want you earlier, it may change
so I get it. But that was the main reason why I passed
on a lot of stuff in my 20s and 30s.
But now, I think I'm at that age
where I can get back into it, because
you know. Kids are, yeah.
You got more patience now. You got a lot more patience, man.
Is there any roles that you turn down that you regret?
I think the
B.A. Baracchis
role in the A.T.?
Oh, yeah. And it went to Rampage.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why are you turning down?
You wouldn't show what you had?
I just, I think I might have been 24.
Who knows?
That was a good and a bad year for you, huh?
So what, of all, because you've been on set with Tyreece, Megan Good.
You had Jamie Fox, Robert Downey Jr.
And Street King, you had Kenna Reeves, Farrs Whitaker.
What's your favorite, what's your favorite memories about being on the set?
Just being in a place that I know where I know I was the rookie.
and I needed to be my best
because I didn't want to make anybody
things that just because I was big
in one genre that I can come over here
and just, you know, act like a spoiled
rich rapper from the hip-hop world.
But again, man, from, you know,
working with Reese and Forrest Whitaker and Megan
and, you know, these are actor-actors, you know what I'm saying?
And so I never wanted to,
I never wanted to make them feel like I didn't
appreciate the opportunities
because the Street Kings, that was all recented that for me.
Right.
And so I just always wanted to make sure that when I step into an active role
or when I step on set, that I am just playing my position.
If you could go back and do anything differently in your career,
what would it be and why?
If I can go back, and I don't really regret anything,
but if I can go back and change anything,
I probably,
Man, yeah, I don't know.
That's crazy because I just don't live with regret one thing.
I would have did better money management.
I think that's it.
I think when I was young, I spent maybe $10 million on just jewelry
from the time that I was 24 to the time that probably I was 30.
Damn.
Yeah.
And I don't have any of it.
I gave it away or threw it in the crowd or did a lot of stuff.
And it's like, remember you're saying the rich give rich?
I gave Dre like two watches before.
Wow.
What is the biggest difference between the game 2005
and the one that's sitting on the couch across me today?
I think the biggest, the one thing that stands out
when you asked me, the first thing that I thought about
is that I care if I live or die now.
You got a reason to.
Yeah.
There's nothing like living for someone else.
No, that's all the joy in life comes.
from that sentiment right there.
Wow.
You got anything you want to promote?
You got a mixtape coming out with DJ Drama
drops on December 5th.
Your album drops next year.
Mix tape game, album game.
Mix tape is fun.
I don't have to take it too serious.
I did this mixtape in a weekend.
My album I worked on for a year.
So maybe a little, maybe longer than that.
But I can't, my album and,
And, you know, my catalog has to be given the type of love and deserve.
So if I'm working on the album, it's serious.
And the mixtape, I just want to have some fun.
All right.
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Sacrifice.
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That's why all my life.
I've been grinding on my life.
Yeah.
All my life.
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