Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - TK Kirkland Part 1

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

K Kirkland On Kevin Hart, Jay-Z, DMX, Elon Musk, Tupac, Biggie, Cam Newton, Performance by AwichIn Part one of this episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe sits down with the incomparable TK Kirkland—a trailblazing stand-up comedian, cultural critic, and one of the most seasoned voices in entertainment. With over 40 years in the game, TK has shared the stage with legends, rocked sold-out crowds around the world, and built a reputation as comedy’s best-kept secret. Known for his raw storytelling, street-smart wisdom, and undeniable presence, TK is a veteran who’s seen it all—and lived to tell the wildest stories you’ve never heard.The episode kicks off with an electric performance from Japanese rap star Awich before Shannon dives into a dynamic conversation with TK Kirkland. TK opens up about getting his start opening for N.W.A. and New Edition, and what it was like working with hip-hop heavyweights like Jay-Z, Lloyd, Gwen Stefani, Birdman, Lil Wayne, Eminem, Missy Elliott, DMX, Nelly, Eve, and Timbaland.TK reflects on the time MC Ren slept with a woman he brought on tour, his take on whether Jay-Z owes Dame Dash, and why he believes Elon Musk should be quiet. He shares advice from Andre 3000 on co-parenting, his love for DMX—who he calls the greatest solo rapper of all time—and the eerie experience of being with Tupac the day he was shot and Biggie on the day he died.He opens up about his time behind bars, including sharing a cell with Rick James, the Menendez brothers, and Tupac. He recalls being booed while performing in jail, and talks about working with Mike Epps, Sandra Bullock, and Godfrey. He shares his firsthand experiences with Suge Knight, R. Kelly, and Diddy, and even admits to robbing Charlie Murphy’s Rolex and stealing from Diddy. He also shares memories of knowing Richard Pryor, Keenen Wayans, and Prince before they made it big.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, welcome to another episode of Club CheChe. I am your host, Shannon Sharpe. I'm also the proprietor of Club CheChe. Stopping by for conversation and a drink today, he's a trailblazer, a pioneering force in the world of comedy, hip hop's first nationally recognized comedian, a seasoned veteran with over 40 years in the entertainment business. He performs to sold out crowds around the world with an unapologetic delivery. One of the most authentic voices in the industry.

He's celebrated for his original storytelling, motivation and advice. An underground legend, a versatile actor, prolific writer, multi-happened business man and well-respected host. He helped launch careers of so many legends. The best kept secret in America. T to the mofo K. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, TK Kirkland.

Yo, yo, yo. Yo. Ha, ha, ha. Bro, thank you. That's how you introduce a motherfucker. Man, it is a pleasure to have you on Club Shay-Shay, man. It's a pleasure, man. 40 years in the industry, man.

We got to toast it. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Bro, thank you for stopping by. I appreciate your time. I know you're busy. You got a lot going on. I see you all around. Yes. Appreciate you stopping by. Thank you. Yes, sir, yes, sir. Bro, thank you for stopping by. Appreciate your time. I know you're busy. You got a lot going on. I see you all around.

Yes. Appreciate you stopping by. No, I really, this means a lot to me as well. You don't have my drink. Ah, that's so good. Yeah. Gonna have me over here. TK, since you started your career

and you've opened up for so many, NWA and Luda and Jay-Z, some of the biggest and brightest. So for you today to come here, we're gonna open up with a very, very special performer. She flew herself all the way from Japan. Here she is, ladies and gentlemen, A-Witch. Ah!

Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Thank you. Tiger like Kinsale, Boxer out like Bento Call me Miss Miyagi when I bust you in your den toe WAP! Wax on, wax off

Clothes at the luggage, gotta get the bags on Never graduated but you get your cap on You runnin' round my way, gotta set the bags off And I write, say, say Wax on, wax off Ay! Wax on, wax off Wax on, wax off

Wax on, wax off Things could get vicious, so bitch they better greet us Show me who your leaders, I can't argue with thesis Filling up arenas, running up the commerce When you hear my voice, to them bad bitch they just run off Bad bitch they kick it and they married to the grandma Too many wanna kick it, think it's Gary, Indiana Yoko's in the Mize and them Shiro's in M.O.Y.S.H.E. I was on the side catching flies with my chop

sticks TAP TAP TAP, don't get popped like the pop queens Tick tock tock, hurry up, set them clocks tick Ticking in the dojo with a shake shake, sense stick Crushed every label, okay, now what? Ay, don't make me take a trip to Okinawa Break a brick with a chop, keep a stick and a chopper I teach you how to block, you ain't know it Cecilia's Lupe, warrior, poet

Bom bom when the apple say you caught back Bom bom when the apple say you caught back Bom bom when the apple say you caught back You know where we go We got the flow in the blow And we sharp with the sword when we throw back the bow Through your throat you be gone like gone with the storm And we calm never slow if you cold with the pumps

We could go toe to toe like Wax on wax off Wax on wax off Wax on wax off Wax on wax off Yeah! Awesome! Wow. Stick around guys because we're going to bring back A-Witch to perform again and you're going to learn more about her story.

As I mentioned, you started your career and I didn't know this was a thing until recently when I see a lot of young comedians and they say they open up for X, Y, and Z. But that's how you started your career. You opened up for NWA way back when? Way back, 1988. And I got my start and I wanted to start giving New Edition their start. I mean, their props.

Props, okay. Because New Edition, I toured with them first. And because I toured with New Edition and I met Eazy-E because Bobby had left New Edition and I met Eazy-E, because Bobby had left New Edition, and Al Hayman, who's now the business manager of Floyd Mayweather, loved my style of comedy. And he booked me to host a show with Bobby Brown, I'll be sure, Tina Marie and Keith Sweat

at the LA Forum in Los Angeles. Turned it out, but during an admission, a DJ put in a cassette of a local rap group, it was NWA. Me being the kind of guy I am, I need to know who these people were. So Bobby was next to me, he told me where they were. He saw them in the audience. I walked up the stage, I walked up to this young man

and I told him my name was T to the MFK. And he said I was Eazy MF-E. And Eazy-E, Dr. Dre, Ice Cube all came to see me perform at the Comedy Store. Right. A week later Eazy-E said, yo, let's go. And I went on my first national tour straight out of Compton. So you started with New Edition.

New Edition. Then you met NWA. I met NWA. And then they put you on and that's kind of where you start. And then that's what took me to everybody else. And I always had that same formula, right? So that formula took me to writing comedy skits on albums. Then I was rocking with Too Short.

Then I was rocking with Luke in Miami. I was rocking with Jay-Z. I was rocking with Lloyd. I did Player's Diary. I did Timberland's first album, Gwen Stefani, right? So I did everybody stuff. So I always kept quiet because nobody knew my path of my career.

So I always just stayed low key and all that because I come from a different era than the comedians today because I was in the streets as well. So my OGs, we had a certain style of communication. We don't say nothing. Even back in the day, the way we take pictures now, you would get beat up back in the day. If you took somebody's picture, they didn't authorize it. But now everybody takes a picture.

But we didn't want to be in the spotlight. But because of the business I'm in, I have to be on Instagram, which I kind of hate. I have to do it. You got to sell, I mean, you on Instagram. Which I kinda hate, I have to do it. You gotta sell, I mean, you're independent, you gotta sell yourself. I gotta sell myself, you hit it right in there. But there's gonna be a day, and it's coming soon,

where there's no more text messaging, there's no more videos, I'm just gonna stop. Then what's the next step, what's the progression? Well, the thing is, I just want to continue traveling the way I do. I think I've saved up enough financial security to take me into when my time is over, right? I just want to enjoy. I got grandkids. You understand, we get there, right? I mean, we work so hard and it's only so many damn jokes you could say. Right. Yes, and it's only so many damn jokes you could say right even though

You know what tell my fans even though I love When they come to see me perform I Love getting ready. Just like I told you I was getting ready for you three years ago. Wow. I was preparing for you Three years ago. So my team was like TK. I can't wait for you to do Shade Club. Shade Shade, I said, don't worry about it. It's gonna come. Go ahead. I promise you it's gonna come. So when I got the call, I thought it was fake because somebody had sent me a fake email

pretending it was you. And they was like, oh, we want you to do club. Shana's a big fan of you, but they didn't have no phone number. They did it twice. So when your guy Dave- We've got a lot of that going on. Yeah. So when Dave reached out to me, he had the phone number there.

I knew it was official. So when I called, he said, man, Shannon, watch out. You got a guy dying. I said, boom, it was set. So we were supposed to have done it a month from now, but I got to do Boston, Massachusetts. So when I said, yo, let's do it earlier, everybody said it was okay.

Perfect. And boom, here we are. You mentioned that you opened up for a lot of rappers. Is it common now for comedians to open up for rappers now or is that what was a thing of the past? It was a thing of the past. I don't think, the one thing I know for sure, you had to have a gift to open up for a rap group.

See, Leo Cohen said the best to me. I was opening up, it was the Rough Riders, Cash Money Millionaires. E! we was doing a show in New York. It was packed 18,000 people and I'm turning it out. So Leo Cohen said, TK, a lot of people don't know you have the most important job of the night because you have to control the climate of the room. You can side a riot or you can keep them laughing. And I always kept them entertained. And that's what always kept me going. And that's one thing I can say for sure that will solidify my position because most comedians

don't have comedy IQ. Like you guys in football know who was the great running backs. You know who was the great quarterbacks. You know you watch films and know when you play a team who's that guy. In our business comedians don't do their homework. They don't have what I call comedy IQ. Really? Yeah, they don't have it.

They do not have it. So comedy IQ is knowing your history. Right. A lot of people think Russell Simmons started black comedy, but it was a gentleman named Michael Williams. Michael Williams started black comedy in South Central on 43rd and Crenshaw,

um, a place called the Regency West. The Regency West, the reason why he rented out the hall, cause he had the best stand of comedian prior to touching Mike Robin Harris. Oh yeah. But this is before they would let us into improvs. Right.

The funny bones. See, comedians think that's easy now for them to get in there. It wasn't. It wasn't. I'm not saying they disliked us, but we did, only people that was popular back in the day was Richard Pryor.

Correct. Paul Mooney. It's so many more comedians today, it's insane. But back then it was only a few black comics. So we had to get our own venue. And once that took off, it started spreading to Chicago, started spreading to Miami. Then Bob Sumner and Tina Graham,

who worked with Russell Simmons, started Def Jam. Now what they did with Def Jam is- So you think that's why they gave Russell, Russell gets so much credit because he started Def Comedy Jam? Yeah, because people don't know the history. And it kinda blew up. It blew up. So he's gonna get the credit.

And the rest is history. But by Def Jam starting, is what got everybody into the improvs, into the funny bones. And that's why I always tell comedians, if you can, always try to work at a black-owned comedy club at least two, three times a year to get our people, our black owners, rich. Because we made everybody else rich. Correct. And we don't take the time to look out for our own people. And that's so important to me because I remember

when we only get $20 and two chicken wings. Wow. Yeah, sir. See, I go way back then. So convenience will make a lot of money now. It'll make a lot of money. And, but if they knew the comedy IQ, if they knew the history, they would say, yo, it's my duty.

To give back. To give back. And that's what's important. That's what's missing. Were you the first comedian to open up for rappers? Were there somebody that got siloed? Yeah, there was nobody before me. And anybody could say that nobody.

If you wasn't doing comedy in 1985, which most of them wasn't if you wasn't doing comedy in 1985, which most of them wasn't you wasn't before me I started in 1985 and 1988 I was on tour with NWA So what was your wildest experience being on the road with NWA? I could tell you that it was easy our first day going to Indianapolis Our first day going to Indianapolis,

this is for headphones. So Dr. Dre was on the plane with the boombox and he was playing loud on the plane. Damn. Exactly. Flight attendant came and said, sir, you need to turn that off. Dr. Dre said, okay, that's exactly what he said. Damn.

So nobody thought anything. Next thing you heard the pilot say, we're making emergency landing. They dropped our asses off. Where did they drop y'all off at? In Arizona. Damn, y'all hadn't even made it halfway. Not even halfway. They dropped us off. But Eazy was so rich, he bus bought tickets and put us on another plane and we left.

But yeah, that's the crazy experience I had with NWA. Is it true that Wren slept with your old lady? Yeah, that's so true. Hold on, it was reported that you took a shop and had a night for Wren. Yo, that's so funny, y'all's been doing your homework. Shout out to Wren, but he taught me the game, you know, because I was always with a player. You know, so, you know, I flew the girl in and I've never get the man, the role

manager was like, no TK liability. You can't bring her. I like, no, we can do it easy. He didn't care. So we go shopping. We hanging out. So I I'm the MC, I gotta be there first. Yeah. So you left her back at the hotel? I left her at the hotel. So six o'clock, seven, it's eight. I think she finally got there around eight. So we do the concert, nothing happened.

I see her, we doing our thing. Hey, how you doing? Hey girl, good to see you. Two o'clock in the morning, I get this knock on the door. Boom, boom, boom, boom. It's Eazy. He says, come out with me. Come here. Come here. I come out. He said,

Arend had sex with your girl. Huh? And then he fell out on the floor in the hallway and rolled. Eazy was funny. He was funny. He rolled down the hallway and laughed her. But because of my mindset, I had to go get my stuff, for her stuff, put it in the bag and I threw out the hotel.

Dang. Yeah, that was my first lesson of being a player but getting played. Yeah. Yeah. Do you and Ren have a conversation about that? We see each other. We don't bring it up, we getting played. Yeah. Yeah. Do you and Ren have a conversation about that? We see each other, we don't bring it up, we just laugh. Yeah.

Yeah, we see each other. I'm quite sure he sees the interviews over the years. It is what it is, you know? It was a valuable lesson. Was that the only time you had a young lady taken from you? Well, she wasn't my woman. Yeah, but she, I mean, you brought her there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You took her shopping. Yeah yeah yeah. I think that's the only time. I think that's the only time. Yeah but that's why it's glad you brought this up because men today will shoot somebody now. For sure. Right? Yeah. Or kill the girl or kill themselves. Yeah. And what I want men to understand since Shannon brought this up is a great segue into this Learn to control your emotions Because you guys get so upset

That you want to kill someone and risk your whole life over the one woman when it's a billion people out there And I want men to know it hurts. We know it hurts It hurts especially if you invested in her Yeah, you know the more time you invest the more, you know, if you best money you best time you get energy It but it's just like anything like when you're an athlete and you invest all the training or the eating right? The denying yourself going on vacation denying a lot of things and so when it doesn't work out in your favor It hurts it hurts and sometimes you see athletes cry and you're like, man, it's just a game. No, it's not.

Because you don't understand what I invested in in order to win this game. And so anytime you invest time, energy, effort into something that doesn't go your way, it hurts. You invest time, you invest whatever the case may be, your love, your attention into an individual and it doesn't go your way, it hurt. And it should, because the more invested you are,

the more it should hurt. Yes, but control your ego, because it's your ego. Yeah, that's the ego, that's the ego. Your ego is what's hurting, right? Can't believe she did that to me. I'm me. Right, and then you lose your life.

And gentlemen, and ladies, hold tight, because there will be a better tomorrow. And that's important for us to say that to the world, because they crashin' out here. Bad. You can't even compliment a woman on a tattoo, or compliment her, it leads to a fight of killin'. Yeah.

Crazy. You opened up for Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, M, Nelly, Outkast, Luda, Cash Money, Rough Rytals, DMX. What's your favorite story? Give me a couple of your favorite stories from opening up from, cause bro, I mean, you talk about heavyweights, Jay, Lil Wayne, cause you talk about top five, top 10 rappers.

There's not a whole lot of lists that won't have whole Wayne M on that list. Yeah, so I totally agree. We start with Lil Wayne first. I was rocking with Lil Wayne when we were 16. So I was like a big uncle to him. And he loved me to death. And we just truly enjoyed each other.

Baby showed me how money didn't matter. When he first got his $30 million deal, me and a man named Ron Bird, Ron Bird is the person that introduced me to cash mining. So me and another gentleman, we hang in, with Baby and him the night that we was doing a concert in New Orleans. And Baby took the whole community shopping.

We was on Canal Street shopping for everybody. But then he stopped at a Bentley dealership. He bought five Bentleys at one time. This is in the 90s, 1999, 1998, when Bentleys wasn't even out like that. And I was telling my man, don't look at him because probably he's gonna get us a Bentley. You know, he has people who just don't care.

And you don't wanna make eye contact with him. So maybe you look the other way Yeah, you might say I thought that was gonna happen. I ain't gonna lie. Hey, but it didn't happen But I know we didn't get the Bentley but baby baby was a baby was something else and still a great gentleman to this day Jay-z what I liked about Jay-z and shout out to Jay I Hired him first for my birthday party. Yeah, your 35th.

35th birthday party. He came and he was late, I didn't want him to go on. And my crew that I was working with, Eric Von Zip, Frankie B, Haitian Jack, I rolled with some real powerful people back in the day. And they said, nah, T, I'm gone. I was being a little egotistical. You know, cause we mink coat fly.

Yeah, and he showed up late like, nah, you're gonna show up late to my party and buddy, but he graced the stage exactly. That's exactly My crew got in my ear and said let him go on he turned it out yeah, he turned it out and him Damon Dash all them was there and The love came when he blew up He took me on the hard knock life tour Wow When he blew up, he took me on the Hard Knock Life Tour. Wow.

So we rock in the Hard Knock Life Tour and that's how we met with Cash Money. And it was just a great moment. Timbaland, what I liked about Timbaland, I knew his father. And Timbaland was just getting ready to come out and I was doing interviews on everybody's album. From the Looney's to Luke to everybody. And Timbaland just showed mad love and respect and he just wanted him, Missy Elliott, who truly just loved what I was doing.

And I just loved it. So, I mean, it's good. I love your questions because this is giving the comedians who's gonna watch this education on the history of comedy, which is very important. Help me understand this. Ray Daniels, he's in the industry, and he says he's kinda lost some respect for Hove because Hove won't help Dame Dash

out of his financial situation. Now, there have been times that Dame has taken an opportunity to kind of take a dump on Ho. Yes, yes. And so it's kind of hard. I agree. When every time somebody got a microphone or a camera in your face, you taking a shot at me.

Yes. Now when you at your lowest, you want me to pull you up. Yes. That's a good question. I want to do this respectfully, because I love both of them. Yeah. I truly felt what hurt Damon was he talked too much.

Yeah. And the goal in life is when you get the plug, when you get to connect, is to shut up and get the money. Mm-hmm get the money. You don't care about the fame and what most Business people do where they mess up is They want the fame. Mm-hmm, and that's what hurt to me Damon Dash Now that this has happened to Damon and it hurts me that

That it has because he was the guy that had it all. I've seen him, man. He was one of the great, I love that dude. I've seen him on tour. I've seen what they came with. I remember us driving down Park Avenue. You know, we got the fly rise, and I thought my car was fly.

He pulled up at the red light with something even flyer. We got the windows down, we talking, mess to each other. I'll never forget those days. And when I read that in the article, I was hurt. But Jay-Z as men now, we're men. We're not 17. We're not 18. Back then you find loyalty.

Like I'm gonna look out for my people. But now when you have a family, you've got mortgage, I don't care if you got a billion dollars. Yeah, it's gonna be hard for somebody to talk about me in a negative light, basically every chance they get. But you're a man. When you're a man, unless that person, you actually agree with that person from the core, you won't look

out for them. It has to be a special bond and they separated because to me, too much talking. And that's why I was telling one of my friends the other day about Elon Musk, one of the topics I get. Elon Musk played himself like a female. He gave Donald Trump 250 million, but what he should have did was shut up and lay in the cut. But he wanted to be in all the meetings. He wanted recognition.

He wanted to be seen and destroyed his stock and his business because I got fucking stock in it. It destroyed his relationship and his business, because I got fucking stock in it. Yeah. It destroyed his relationship with Mr. Trump. Yeah. Destroyed it. Yeah. I want people to use that example as if you ever get put on. Right.

Get your money. And shut up. Shut up. To this day, you don't know who Will Smith's manager is. To this day, you don't know who Will Smith's manager is. To this day, you don't know. To this day, you have no idea who represents Will Smith. Because his manager, and I know him, I'm not going to say his name, moves low-key.

And people always want to be recognized. Stay up, get your money, stay low-key, stay off the radar, so to speak. I me, I wanna pivot back to Jay-Z, because Jay-Z, although he got his start in music, he doesn't do a whole lot of music now. Maybe he'll jump on somebody's feature, but for the most part, Jay-Z is a businessman outside of the world of music.

When you was with him, did you see this entrepreneurial side of Hov then? Absolutely, he comes on the streets. So when we was in the streets, all of us used to see each other. The thing about Jay-Z, and I always noticed this in life, when you take care of your crew, you get blessed. Right.

When Jay-Z turns the corner into Bentley, his crew turns the corner into Bentley. Right. We did a show in Philly, and they must have had nine Bentleys pull up backstage. I'm talking about cream top, burgundy. I ain't never seen these colors in Bentleys before. Now, I got a little jewelry on, but when they hit the stage,

it lit up the stadium. When the lights hit it, it was ice like that. It lit up the stadium. Like when the lights hit it. Yeah, they ice out like that. It was ice like that. It lit up the stadium. It was a different type of rainbow. Blue, purple, pink. I still remember to this day, because I was there. So that's what I liked about Jay-Z. Now in life, men and women,

everybody's not going to like you. You can't make everybody happy not gonna like you. Right? You can't make everybody happy. It's impossible. A lot of times the more successful you get, the more you're disliked. Yeah, the more you're disliked. I had something that happened today. The dude told me he didn't like me. He didn't like me. He said, your word doesn't mean nothing for the struggle. And I said, I don't even know who you are.

I said, but if you need help with your credit or need to get out a little apartment, they got websites to get you together because you should, don't get mad at me. Because of your situation. Because of my situation, like I'm an old, anybody getting mad at me should be embarrassed. I'm damn near 70 years old. Like to be upset with me is embarrassing. 70, bro? I'm damn near 70. I mean, I would never believe that.

And let me tell you what I mean, right? Once you get past 50 something years old. For sure, you turn day to day. 70, is he in like three days? Yeah, yeah. People don't understand that. One day you 50, you wake up, you 70 something years old, or 60 something years, this is a fact.

It is, it is, bro. And then when you got schedules like us, we know what we're doing three, four, five years from now. We know what we're doing. When you have it like that, it's even faster. So you play if you want to, you know, you play if you want to, it goes by fast. So that's what I liked about Jay-Z.

He, whole crew was straight. Right. You also went out on the road with Em. What is it about Em? I mean, did you, where would you rank Em? Did you know Em? I mean, like, cause he's really- Em and Em?

Yeah. Because the thing you look, Vanell Icehead, when he had Ice Ice Baby and it just blew up and he made so much money off that one song. But M was really the first white guy to put it down. And you know, okay, the Beastie Boys. I mean, the Beastie Boys back in the mid-80s,

I remember the Beastie Boys. But M was the first with the flow, the way he said, I mean you're like, damn, that's a, he was like, for rap, M was to rap what Tiger Woods was to golf. I totally agree. And what M had. Cause at one point in time Tiger Woods

was the best golfer and he was black and M was the best rapper and he was white. And let me tell you to the world what I see when you say that. To blow up you always need a cosigner. Yes up, you always need a cosigner. Yes. Right, you need a cosigner. I'm gonna take your way back.

Probably before you was born. In 1968. I was born in 68. Yeah, so you don't see this. I got a birthday of the week. Yeah, 1968. A man named Barry Gordy who ran Motown discovered a group called the Jackson Five.

What Barry Gordy did was to blow the Jackson Five up. And you can Google this, you go on the album I'm about to tell you. On the Jackson Five first album, it says Diana Ross presents the Jackson 5. That was the first moment of my life I understood co-signing. Oh, so they used Diana Ross who already had a name,

who was already established. So basically she was co-signing for the Jackson. Exactly. If I'm gonna put my name behind them, they got to be good. They got to be good. So now let's fast forward to Dr. Dre. Yeah. Snoop Dogg.

The whole Compton move. Dr. Dre co-signed Eminem. Dr. Dre already had the movement. If Dr. Dre touched it, you must be good. Because he was an NWA and then he had Snoop in the chronic. Exactly. And Tupac. Tupac, yeah.

He had him. So this guy must be good. Now watch where I'm going, get deeper. I see what you finna. That was his co-signer. Now Eminem is a rock star. Eminem, Dr. Dre is still phenomenal. They find another gentleman named 50 Cent.

Five zero. Co-signed him. Yeah. Co-signed him. And said the word, hey, you may not know who this guy is, but we got the next superstar. So for 50 and Dr. Dre to co-sign 50 Cent, pow. It was rock star-dom.

I read where Andre 3000, three stacks, gave you some great advice. Yes, yes. And we're gonna talk about this a little later, but how to deal with your child's mom. Yes, yes, I was having some issues, but most of us have as we're growing up. And I remember I was going to the airport, because me and Al Kass are good friends.

Right. Right, good friends. And one day was like six o'clock. Big boy, yeah. I need one of them puppies. Yeah. We, six o'clock in the morning, we're going through the airport

and me and him were talking. And I didn't know where to stay with my, you know how we all get, when we have that, the kids, you don't wanna leave the kid, you wanna be there to raise your child, cause you think that's the right thing to do. Especially when you're educated. Because you're educated, you don't want to leave the kid. You want to be there to raise your child, because you think that's the right thing to do, especially when you're educated.

Because when you're educated, you don't want the woman that you have your children with to be a single mother. Correct. This is what you start saying to that, I don't want to be a single mother. You know you want to be- Right. Women, some women don't know that men think that way. We think that way to stay with the family, because we don't want you to be a single mother,

and we don't want no one else to raise our child But I want to be in my kid's life I'm tell you what therapist told me one time he said Shannon sometimes you can be in a relationship with a woman and why y'all Together you a single man. Yep, so true. So I Told him that and I remember that and I shared this with people right he said TK You got to choose which pain you want. That's what he said. You got to choose which pain you want. I didn't understand it. So one day, great big situation happened and it had to happen that way because I'm into quantum fixes, I'm into the universe, I'm into God. And me and her had a big blowout.

And it was the greatest thing that ever happened. Because I probably would have kept coming back if it wouldn't have happened that way. And I'm here to tell young men and women, sometimes it's good to go separate ways. You think the kids want y'all to to be together and they probably do. But sometimes it's best just to get away. You build a part. And believe it or not, you'll live. You will grow. You will become better depending on your determination in life.

You will educate yourself to become a better man, better woman. And I'm here today to say that because I've actually lived it. And that's why I always tell young men on social media, you could be 25, 29, 42, even in their 50s. And I said, there's nothing you could tell me. God damn, they're 70. I'm here to tell you. Because I look young is a gift and a curse.

If you don't know me, you think I'm this young kid talking. But I've seen it all. And the best thing sometimes is let your baby miles go on her way. You move on with your life. And the kid's going to love it down the line because they get two Christmases, two birthdays. That's a win.

Because sometimes, I mean, you try to stay to make it work, and all you do is argue, that's not good for the child. You realize that you get pushed away, and you're not there every day, and that's not good for the child. So you're kind of dealing with a dilemma, two equally perplexing situations. If I stay is bad, if I go is bad, damn.

It's crazy, I totally agree. And I actually lived it. And I can honestly tell people, everything the universe threw at me, I took it and built it, built by brick. And here I am today on Shana Shaw. We appreciate your habit.

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You also was on a tour with DMX. You opened for DMX. Yeah, DMX is my man. Rest in peace. Yeah, God bless her. Um, to this day, DMX is the greatest solo rapper I've ever seen in my life. Really? No, nobody can touch him. If I had to go solo, rap artist is DMX number one, because um, he didn't have background dancers. It was just him with jumpsuit, a rock wallop dog collar, and a mic. And some Tims. And some Tims.

He'll hop on the speakers, he'll run through the stage, he'll run through the audience, and I remember watching him. Today you appreciate it. Cause when you're young, you know what I'm saying? But when you get to our age, you go, wow, I was here for a special moment.

And he was phenomenal. I will put as a Solaz DMX as a duo, Busta Rhymes. Really? Listen to me. Have you seen anybody since DMX have that kind of energy on stage as a rapper? Not at all. Not even though I love what Atlanta is doing they have their own movement, their own style but it's just something about the people that came up in the 80s and 90s and rap. That was just phenomenal. The DOC, Nelly, all these guys was just phenomenal.

I mean, they paved the way for these kids today doing what they're doing, but DMX was amazing. And like I said, Busta Rhymes, nobody want a father do. He was that good, because he performed. Right. Right? he performed. Right. Right. He performed. Then Oakland had too short. Yeah.

Too short had what I call that street swagger that was missing in the world. Now, let's just say if Eminem and Dr. J were to co-sign too short, he'd have been a rock star. Wow. He would have been a rock star. Wow He would have been a rock star, but it's all based on marketing. It's all about you got the machine Behind you and that's the difference in success Tupac and Biggie you had a relationship with both of those guys and you were with them days before they passed. That's crazy That's good. You know. Yeah they died in different years.

One year apart one of them 96 and the other was like March of 97. Mm-hmm. But very very close. Yeah I've been blessed to be both sides of the game. Biggie and us was tight, me, Lil' Kim, even Puff, you know, before the freak-offs. Right. You know, Puff, and I don't know if everybody knows, Puff used to throw some of the best parties in the game in the early 90s. God bless him in his situation. What I've learned in life, too, when people are in trouble, don't wish them well, don't wish them bad, just say, I wish that person the best, and thank God it ain't me.

And you move on about it. Biggie, I was with him the best and thank God it ain't me. And you move on about it. Biggie, I was with him the day he died, but Tupac had died first. And Tupac, me, right Vegas, it was me, Tupac, Mike Tyson, we all hung out during that day. And after the fight, we was going to clubs, 6ix was sugar stormed a party. But my dumb, but again, I was working out

and I took some fat burner pills. Don't know why I'm not fat. I took fat burner pills, never forget it. Try to speed up your metabolism, that's it. Took the fat burner pills, but I didn't know you couldn't drink alcohol with it. Try to speed up your metabolism, that's it. Took the fat burning pills, but I didn't know you couldn't drink alcohol with it. I drank alcohol later that afternoon. So as we're going to the party,

I leave them because I'm not feeling good. Whatever that fat burner did, it did something that I never experienced before. Because it was like, you could actually feel it in your skin. Yeah, skin crawling. Oh man, it was painful.

I stayed in the hotel like a week. So I saw the Tupac thing on the news that he ain't got shot. I was like, wow, that's crazy. And I said, he's gonna be all right. And when I started getting well, that's when I found out he had died So I had to fly from Vegas to Charlotte to do a show Yeah later. I'm hanging with Lady note a black nor who was puppy's assistant at the time and

We're hanging out biggie And all of us having a good time. I had a comedy show that night at the Comedy Act Theater that the guy Michael Williams owned. Yeah. And when we went to the party on La Brea, it was at the museum, I'll never forget, Biggie was like, TK, you better go do your show. But the party was amazing. Yeah. Oh, Shannon, this party that night was amazing.

In those situations TK, did the day seem, did anything seem off? Did it seem like a normal Saturday, a normal Friday or whatever the day the case may be? Did anything seem off or just seem like a normal day? It seemed like a normal day, but I saw all the street guys, I saw all the gang members there, everybody was in suits though, right? Right.

I saw, ah shit, this shit ain't gonna last. That's what I felt. Right. Right? So I wound up meeting, I'm always pulling women, snatched up three girls. We get in the whip and I go do my show. Right. But we're coming right back.

Right. You know, I got a certain time I gotta be there, I'm gonna go on, I'm gonna come right back. Do what you're doing, I'm coming back. As I'm coming back, coming down, Wilshire See all the police cars And my man said TK Biggie got shot man, they can't get shot brushing it off, right I Go hang out with outcasts because they're gonna Sunset Boulevard Getting ready to do their album release and I wind up hosting their party

After I'm hosting their party, I walk into this other room and I'm looking out on Sunset Boulevard. I'm just staring at it. I said, maybe Biggie did get shot. Hopped in the car and something just told me to go to Sinai Hospital. See you at Sinai.

See you at Sinai. And I walked up to Leote, Sinai Hospital. Cigar Sinai. Cigar Sinai. Uh huh. And I walked up to Leote, shout out to Leote, I haven't talked to you in years. She said Biggie died. I said what? And I was just standing there. And I never got to stay in at this hotel in Culver City. And I went and called my mom and told her

that Biggie had died. And the reason why I called my mother, because my brother died in 1995. But Biggie got shot on the day my brother's birthday. It was March 9th. So that was my brother's birthday, even though he was deceased already. And I was talking to my mom about that. And that was deceased already. And I was talking to my mom about that. And that was the story. I've been in some crazy situations with people

when they're deaf, even when my guy, father's from the OJs. Okay, yeah. What's his name? OJs, who's it? His father's OJs, both of them passed away. Yeah, he said the beard, have you said, dude? Oh, Laverte?

Laverte, Gerald Laverte. Yeah. So me and Gerald Laverte is about to do a show, this year is later. And Gerald Laverte dies before the night because we do our concert. And. I just never forget that to see these gentlemen pass away and in my journey of entertainment. And like I said, you've seen so much death that it affects everybody different. Yeah, for sure.

And it's something that you said that was very important. I appreciate this shit. Because I've been doing this since I was burying people since I was 11. So I don't take it for granted. I know people can pull you away from it. People can really bring you down to their level and destroy your life. And what people need to understand is

don't allow no one to destroy your life. You got to love yourself that much. And what David Clingman had taught me, he said, TK, you're not afraid of nothing. You don't have to love yourself that much. And what David Klingman had taught me, he said, TK, you're not afraid of nothing. I said, what do you mean? He said, you're not afraid to go to jail. He said, you gotta be afraid. He said, there's nothing wrong with being afraid.

Be afraid that you don't end up there. And I've always took that for the rest of my life. Are you surprised Biggie went to Cali considering that he knew how the West Coast felt about East Coast and East Coast felt about West Coast especially because like you said Tupac had just died I mean it wasn't even a year I think Tupac died in like September, October and here it was March and Biggie is in Cali knowing how the West Coast felt about the East Coast It's called an experience. Mm-hmm

When you don't know You think everything's gonna be okay everything. Yep, right. So when my boy got locked up Saying that he was the guy with the situation behind him Biggie getting killed My business my partner my street guy, Eric Von Zipp, they said Puffy had gave Eric Von Zipp a million and Zipp never gave it to the people through the shooting but the shooting happened. So Eric Von Zipp died but they knew me and him as partners. So the room on the street was I had got the

million because me and him was tight. But I want everybody to know, I don't know nothing about no money. That was it. You've also been featured on the album. You worked with Missy Elliott, Madonna, Gwen Stefani. And I want to ask you this. But when I go back and I think of Missy, I think of creativity. Yes.

I think of the videos. I think she creativity. Yes. I think of the videos. I think she was ahead of her time. She sure was. I don't think she gets the credit that she deserves. I totally agree. And that's not a knock on anybody that's currently, that's in the genre that she's in. But Missy was way ahead of her time. So true.

She was futuristic. Yep, absolutely. She's 20, 85 and happened to be in the 90s, early 2000 when she was doing her thing. I totally agree. She was creative in the 90s, early 2000s when she was doing her thing. I totally agree. She was creative in the videos. She was very unique, very creative, and I loved that about her. I mean, all you could say is she was great.

I mean, you have the female rappers today, and they're good. I'm not gonna knock nobody, but everything in the 90s when it came to hip hop was on a whole nother level. Whole nother level. And it's good to know, I'm glad to know I was part of it. You know what I want, that's what I want to ask you. People say, like, somebody can do an album.

Like, man, you do an album and you're really good, you have success But I want to see him do something else. He does something else man. I want the old guy back. That's so true I mean, it's like nature. Yeah, it's like a you know change, you know, it's inevitable Yes, and you know you see an actor man. That's all he does is that I want to see him do something else And then when he does he or she does something else, man I don't like I want him to see the old things So how do we get because you see a lot of rappers,

a lot of entertainers, be it R&B or whatever the case may be, they try to expand. Kudos to Beyonce. Because I don't know if I would have had to go country, which is so far away from the genre that she's in. And she says, I don't care. I'm gonna do it. Do you understand the the hoods for the courage

that it takes to do what she did? Cause I don't know if I can honestly say I've seen someone do it to the level I'm here. But now I'm gonna go way over here and get the acclaim and the adoration that she's doing. Yeah, and that's, you hit that right on the nail. Most people don't understand how hard that is to do, because it's impossible to do,

and she's actually done it. She's actually done it. And the tour, I guess the tour's done, 19 sold-out shows, all the money that she's been able to accumulate. But I don't think she did it for the money. I think she strikes me as a woman that likes to challenge herself.

It seems that way. It definitely seems that way. You gotta like to challenge TK if you do that now. Yeah, you have to. For her to go away, country, amazing. It's truly amazing. I met Beyonce a few times.

Beautiful woman, stunning. And I'm glad Jay-Z pulled her. Yeah, yeah, he pulled her because a lot of people's after her. Yeah. You know, and I remember all of us hanging out, Aliyah, Beyonce, Adanda Lewis, God bless the week, God bless Ananda. And I've seen everything from Layne in the cut, because they used to always say,

TK, you like the headline, because I always kept a bad breathin' on me. You know what I'm sayin'? So they was like, who is TK? Because I always kept a fire woman. I kept one, kept one, no doubt about it. Let me ask you a question, TK, I kept one, I kept one. Kept one, no doubt about it. Let me ask you a question, TK. Because you've been at this thing since the 80s.

What happened to the music video? You know, the music video with the, and Missy, we go back to Missy. But I miss the days of MTV or whatever the case, BET, when I saw the music video, I get excited, the song, and I'm like, oh man, I can't wait to see. World premieres.

I can't wait to see. Remember that? Yes, I can't wait to see what this video's gonna be. What happened to the music video? AI. AI changed the game. They started in the music business, so many executives lost their job. They cut down the budgets.

Now they want artists to be pretty much famous before they take you on. Because social media, YouTube, they want to know how many YouTube followers you have, how many songs got played. It's big numbers, right? So nobody wants to work no more. Nobody wants to even, it's just not the... Well, if I build it up, I don't really need you. If I'm gonna be on my YouTube channel,

I'm gonna build up my social media, my IG, my Twitter, my threads, or whatever the case may be, TikTok. Why the hell I need you if I got all this, if I got across the board, I got 30 million. Why do I need you? I respect what you're saying, but most men don't think the way you think or I think. They think they need someone.

And in today's world, you don't need a co-signer. Today, you got your phone. Today, you can really market yourself. NBA Youngboy is the prime example of what I'm saying. Multi, multi, multi millionaire. And he doesn't need nobody. And you don't see hardly no videos. The only thing he had, his own personal problems.

But he was very successful at it. So when people come to me and say, TK, what do you think? Man, I'm trying to get on. I said, why are you trying to get signed? I said you can do it yo, do it yourself. You know, I have wanted to do Netflix

and I still do want to do it because the people so brainwashed they think to make it you have to be on Netflix. But I have my own network called TK.Network. Well I mean you saw what Alex Adik did, you saw what RNSJ is, some people are just doing it and going to YouTube so you theory I mean you could do that is I mean look I think Netflix is a wonderful platform they do an unbelievable job yes but I think the thing is now in today's time you can do it yourself and you cut out the middleman you know

what your cover of your project is gonna be yeah you know the date that you want to release it that's important to me right cuz one thing I've never had an agent never had a manager really never done everything on my own and I just don't like the fact you have to call someone and wait for them to call you back or someone to say they out of the country or someone say they doing something when what you're about to ask them is only going to take 30 seconds.

Right. But because they took a week, two weeks, maybe a month, you get frustrated. I never liked that. So when I've always been my own man. So when I snatched up DL Hughley, when I snatched up Godfrey, when I snatched up Mike Epps, Sange Bullock, I taught all of them the game, you know, because I was in the streets, I had to really stay low key, because my partners Tommy Chesterow and David Klingman,

two Jewish guys who love them very dearly. I was confused young kid. They pretty much said, TK, you got to fall back because you're about to fuck up our money. That's what they said, because you don't know what you want to do yet but you ain't going to fuck up our money. But he said, TK, this is going to be

the easiest money you'll ever making your life, but nothing got done Unless they ran it past me. That's what I liked about these gentlemen. So everything from Sandra Bullock, you know When we do that, I know you had a nice little color. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah two decades not just her I had Anthony Michael Hall Wow John Lucas Ammo all these guys on the artistry management. But because of me going through what I was going through at that time, I had to stay low key. I was still getting a check. So it teaches you things, but I've always taught independence. I always taught ownership. Just like you run in your own podcast. You're your own boss. And we wanna show men and women

to put themselves in position to be your, I hate that somebody gotta say to someone, I gotta speak to my boss on Tuesday, see if I can make my son's graduation. Right. No disrespect, no man to me should have to live like that. That's just me. Well, I think the thing is, how do you see yourself?

Do you see yourself as talent or you see yourself as ownership? That's so true. Well, I think the thing is, how do you see yourself? Do you see yourself as talent or you see yourself as ownership? That's so true. Because of your talent, they cut you a check. Right. In ownership, you do collabs. Well, one rule I got, I signed the front of the check. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, my name is in the top left. Yes, I signed the front of the check. That's something that I truly believe in. I signed the front of the check. TK, when you came up, comedians, basically you had to hit the circuit. You're black, you probably started out

on the Chitlin circuit, and you go to these little small clubs, maybe there was 20, 30 people in there piling and you tell you, you get five, 10 minutes, and you keep it moving. You do probably 15, 20 shows a week. Cause you're just trying to make it. So true. Now you see comedians, they can get on and do a skit on social media and blow up just

like that. That's so true. It is so different now. Totally agree. Than what it was then. What do you like now about the new comedians? What is it? Because I mean, I get different results.

I mean, some like, yeah, it's easy to do a skit and it's easy to be good for a year, but can you be good in year five? Can you be year good in 15, 20, 30? I'm looking for my entrepreneur thing. I believe that things change, right? Jake Paul in boxing. Yeah, what he and his brother's doing. Same in comedy, right? from Jake Paul in boxing. Yeah. Right?

What he and his brother's doing. Same in comedy, right? You created a gimmick and you won. At the end of the day, I would tell people when you're in line at the bank, the teller doesn't care how you got your money. You could be a ho. You could be a thief.

Yeah, cause it all looked the same, it's green. All looked the same. So everybody gets their money a different way. Correct, because it all look the same. It's green. All look the same. So everybody gets their money a different way. Correct. I respect what happened for them. Wish them the best. I'm on the other side of the mountain.

So I'm not really, I don't care about certain things, right? I just live life. I see things change. I just know that I took care of me. I look amazing. I'm my age, right? I'm healthy. I go to the doctor.

I don't go to the doctor once a year, I go to the doctor every four months. Cause I don't want nothing catching me slipping, like I'm that kind of man. So it's good to see it and I wished all the comics. You like me TK, anything start to feel bad, man ain't nothing wrong with you, I want the doctor to tell me nothing wrong with me.

Not you, you ain't got no medical life. I ain't got no game. I love life, Shannon, so much that I don't play with it. I beat the odds, like I told you off air. I really love this, yo. I love life. I'm not going to let nobody take it away from me. I'm not going to let nobody pull me down to their level of disrespect

because I've been in jail. I've been my life almost taken away. I told the story years ago. One time I got locked up in LA and didn't care about it now, but it's interesting today. The Menendez brothers is in my chamber. Damn. Who's in protective custody. OK. See, most people think you're a punk if you're in protective custody. But what LA does is if you're famous,

you go there because they don't want to deal with general population. So it's the Menendez brothers, Rick James, Tupac and me. All in the same cell that week. So you could still hear other people talk. And what they said to me, this is hilarious, y'all. It's gotta say it at the same time. They said, TK, tell us a joke.

Cause you know, Rick James really loved me. Right. And I said, I ain't telling no joke, I'm fighting the case. Right? Ain't trying to be funny. Listen to me, do you know them motherfuckers booed me? In LA County, I'll never forget it.

I'm talking about, it had to be 200 something people boo me, yo. It was like the garden. It was that loud. Boo. I'll never forget. And I want to tell us some joke. And they loved it. And I'll never forget that.

You got to be the only ninja that got booed in jail. Got booed, dog. Booed. And I mean that got booed. Wow. How did you meet Mike Epps? Mike Epps, I love that gentleman. When I was touring, I used to go in the clubs

and right before I would go on, I always sat in the back and watched comics. Now my blueprint was Eazy-E and those guys because Eazy was an entrepreneur. And I knew that I had a different style of comedy and I needed comics that I was going to bring on to get them in TV and film to help pave the way and I was going to be the slingshot come right behind him. Right. Right. That was my goal. So I watched Mike Epps for a year and I felt like he wasn't ready. When I came back the following year, I saw him again. It was him and a gentleman named Nard.

They both were good. Nard was from now he's deceased now. and I had a choice. I wanted to see which person I was going to pick. And I talked to Mike Caps. I said, yo, come meet me in New York. He believed me, I got him in New York. Stayed at my business manager's apartment and boom, the rest is history. And he went on to be very, very, very successful. And I know Mike for so long,

and just to see his achievements is just a blessing. So that's pretty much how I met Mike. It was at the Atlanta Comedy Theater in Atlanta, Georgia, way back in the day, woo, like 1990, 1991. It seems to be a lot of natural, the progression as a comedian starts on stage and then he goes into the movies. Richard Pryor, you saw Eddie Murphy.

I mean, there've been so many. Who is it? Bernie Mac. And we see Kevin Hart. We see Sadie Entertainer. Even Kat Williams. I mean, there's been so many DL had a

TV. Yeah sure it is Is that is is that what the it was that something that is that a natural progression is that you see guy? Because you used to perform you can perform in front of a you know 1000 2000 5000 people you definitely can perform in front of a camera in front of an thousand, 2,000, 5,000 people, you definitely can perform in front of a camera, in front of an audience, 200 people. Easy. Two things, one, I never cared. I had this philosophy.

I pretty much taught those guys the game and I had a choice. When you go for an audition, somebody's about to make a choice on your life. They have to like you. Out of all these people that you're, everybody's auditioned for the same spot. I never wanted to be a part of that competition.

Really? Never. My thing was, what's real? What's real was doing a show and the money was in my hand. This was a maybe. I gotta get somebody to like me, right? It's levels to entertainment. Right.

Then let's say you get the gig. You have to do a pilot. Now the executives of the company have to like you to give you a green light. Then if you get on air, you have to hope that the Midwestern and the rest of the country, because this is all about ratings.

To the rest of the country like you. I couldn't put my life in those people's hands. You want instant money. I get on the stage, hand me my check. Hand me my cash, your check, how I'm gonna pay. And I'm more successful than the people who have done TV and film. Don't miss the You Versus You podcast. Join Lex Borrero every week as he sits down with some of the biggest names in entertainment to talk about the real stuff, the struggles, the doubts, and the breakthroughs that made them who they are.

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and smelling the flowers in your own garden. Is it wrong to want more? We migrated, our family migrated here. I'm like second generation. Listen to You Versus You as part of MyCultura podcast network, available on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six-episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal, and some

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podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The illusion is that everybody thought, because we saw such in the movie or such as a TV show that they was rich, but I played, I bet it on me. Right. Every day. I may not have done what Kevin Hart's and most comics have done and most comedians who don't, most people in this country and world who don't have a high comedy IQ, that's how they base success. Right. You have to be on TV. a high comedy IQ, that's how they base success. You had to be on TV. I went for the bread, I knew how to do stocks, I knew how to save, and it paid off.

So when I talked to certain people, I said, yo, you a millionaire? What do you mean? I said, dog, I know you a millionaire. I'm not gonna say what I got, but I know I got an M behind my name. Wow. I know I got an M, right? I know I got an M and it's not, one thing I've learned in life is not how much you make it's how much you keep. Yeah. See, I floss a little bit and you know I got a little stuff I put in the safe. I mean just enough I mean

because it's the thing I mean you work hard I mean look we didn't come to stay that's so true. Everybody gonna leave my girl boy boy boy We ain't come to stay now. That's right. I'm not gonna be frivolous. Yes, but I think I should enjoy myself I gotta enjoy yourself because guess what? You know what you notice and once and then once I got into position TK and I want to know what you think about This okay is that I want to know what you think about this, is that I started to notice people. People enjoy your money more than you.

They damn sure do. So while I'm sitting here saving, I can't buy this and I can't do that, I promise you, when you go from here and you leave it to somebody else, they gonna enjoy it. They gonna enjoy it. And that's why I teach my kids respect money. Yes.

And my business partner, David Klamann, used to always say, TK, don't you get old and be broke. Oh yeah, that's bad. He said, don't you get old and be broke. And I want people to listen to what I'm saying. It's not a good look. You play with your life all you want. All you camera people, all y'all listening,

people that's gonna be watching. And it's worse now. Yeah. Because there ain't gonna be no Medicaid, ain't no Medicare. Yeah, it's worse now. It's about the, we about to see something. I mean, you owe the men.

We about to see something we've never seen before. And it's coming. And if you didn't respect money, if you didn't respect your health, you done. I don't know how to say it. I read a lot and

over 80% of this country don't even have $5,000 in their bank account. I read that, I saw that. You saw that, right? Yeah. What was like, if you have like 10,000 and no debt, you're like the top 80%, 85% of the country.

Yes, yes. 10,000. 10,000 with no debt. It's insane. And we can't save the world, right? No. Hurts me sometimes. I'm being honest, right. Sometimes I wish I could do something for everybody, right. I wish I had Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos money and I would give everybody a check, but that's not the world we live in. Then you would have Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos. Yeah. But I do. But you like me. I'm like that, TK. Yeah. Because I got a heart. And I hate to see people struggling like... But I can't save all of y'all man.

And we live in a world of social media, everybody lies. People get on my social media, some women like I got three kids, I need blah blah blah. And you don't know whether to believe them because so many people lie. And you don't want to, like I don't want to get played, right? And then if I take it deep, I'm like yo, you have sex with three men and you're struggling, your choices is bad. You probably, for the likelihood, you probably would struggle with the first one.

Exactly. And then you put yourself back in that situation for the second one. So men about caliber, we don't like to make decisions like that. Like I don't wanna be in that situation. All I can do is just pray for that. Some men reach out to me hating. You know, who are you and all this. And I'm at the movies

now, he got a text, a dude out of nowhere was F you. And because of my nature- Why are you mad at you? Exactly. I said, how is it in that small apartment? I said, how you doing in that small apartment? Like I had to mess with them. I don't know you. I don't know you. And to the people listening. He's mad at you for a situation he created.

Yeah, don't be mad at me because I worked through my thing. One dude talk about you, we don't care about you. You don't represent the struggle. I don't wanna have nothing to do with a struggle Yeah, but I struggled I struggled. Yeah, I'm in my I'm like I said, I'm close to 70. I Want all of you people? To work hard and make it I promise you because

It's a beautiful thing when you overcome and achieve. I got told some gentlemen that you don't become a man till you're 42 years old. And one dude said, I'm a man now at 29. And what I said, you gotta be in your 50s and 60s to look back. You gotta have that much knowledge in life. You gotta have some distance.

To see when you became a man. Mm-hmm. You ain't a man at 29. You might be responsible. You might have kids, you might have bought a home. Haven't lived long enough. Haven't lived long enough. You gotta be in our age, rack bracket,

to look back, to know when that happened. But you know a lot of times people see where we are and not where we came from. That's so true. And I said something, I was on Night Cat with Ocho and I said you never judge a man by where he's standing because you don't know how far he's come. That's so true.

So you look at somebody that's laying on the street but yesterday he was under the bridge. So true. So while you judge me from where I am, do you know where I've come from? You look at my, you say, well, he's a failure. No, there's just delayed success. Yes, right.

I'm on a success story. Yes. And so I think the thing is when people get upset, oh, you got this, you got that. But do you see from 1968 to 1988 when I didn't have that? That's right. And this is all the old game, right?

Remember when it was coming up and we saw the older men and women successful? And they worked hard. You saw Mr. Williams and he's opening the door for his wife, but they just went to church. He got the nice coat on and the nice slacks. And you could tell he's walking with success. He earned it. See, when hip hop came around, not only hip hop, it changed the mindset of the world.

Everybody thought you can get successful overnight. But in old day, most millionaires are created in their 60s, 50s and 60s. If you can get money in your 20s and 30s, I'm happy for you, but it's a curse. Make sure you keep it in the 40s and 50s. Here's the curse. When I saw the R. Kelly's,

the Puffy Combs, most young singers and rappers who got rich in their 20s, it created ego. And their ego all came back to bite them in the ass when they became a man. When I saw people success come later, because they truly earned it. You see character, respect, honor. Most people don't have that. And that's why we have the issues that we have from Suge to Puffy to R. Kelly, right? Because their ego got in the way and it destroyed them. And I've seen it even when people's hustling and they came into money,

it messed up their ego and destroyed them and if you take your time You may not seem like you could do it now But one day you will be 60 something years old and if you take care, so you won't be a fat old slob or old guy You still have some type of health right and you but at least you hope you can be 60 you hope you hold That's not promised to you. We notice be 60. That ain't promised. That's not promised to you. We know this. Ain't promised. Yeah. Cause everybody, everybody got an apartment. They can't reschedule. That's right. You just don't know when it is. That's right.

But all you can do with the universe is extend your contract. So you take care of your health. The universe wants to see you win. If you do right, they'll extend you another few weeks, another 365, right? That's how I see the universe. They wanna see you win. You are the person sabotaging your life. Right. If you could recreate any decade,

and you're like, you're 60, so you've been around for six decades. If you could recreate any decade, what decade would you recreate? Now. Right now. Yes sir. Because all the things I went through,

when I was coming up, people, you know, think he was a bad person, you think he was on the wrong path of life. Then you get to be my age and you understand the universe, right? The universe sent me here to teach me these lessons. And you can't teach nobody nothing if you ain't been through nothing. So everything I went through made me the man I am today. I'm happy, I'm healthy, I'm independent. Kids have graduated from college, I got grandkids.

I live to see that. You understand what I mean. I live to see it. People who are watching us, they won't make it to that. You understand what I mean. I live to see it. People who are watching us, they won't make it to that. Or they have grandchildren already at a young age, but there's nothing like it. The way to me, the way you're really supposed to go. You supposed to get your grandkids in your fifties and sixties, that at 30, that at 40.

Right. Right. This is being honest, right? You know, because you want to have so much wisdom and knowledge that you can teach your grandchildren something. If you're having grandkids in your forties, you're going to pretty much, they don't see the nonsense that you still have in your life. And that's just not, you know, I don't agree with that. You met early in your career, Keenan, Richard Pryor, Prince.

What was it like to meet, I mean, they weren't at the level that they became, so you got them in their early years. Yes. And to see them, to see Keenan-Ary Wayans and to see what he created with a living color, and you see him, you know, him and Robert Townsend writing and you see what he's been able to do with his

brothers, Marlon and Sean and Damon. You see Richard Pryor goes without saying and Prince, the way he could write, could play all the instruments, could entertain. He's one of one and we might not ever see anything like that again. I totally agree, 100%. Totally agree. Did you understand that you were in the presence of greatness then?

No, you took it for granted, because we didn't know, because we were kids, right? Prince was a phenomenal guy, saw his career take off, but Prince used to have a club in Minnesota that he used to do comedy shows because he was a big fan of comedy and loved TK. I get excited when I have these interviews because I start thinking about what I've accomplished.

Shit, it's amazing. Did he have the club before Glam Slam or first half? After, Okay. After. And he was just amazing. I remember being in the studio and he had like 20 pieces of equipment. Here go the each one and set it up. Yeah.

You know, that's impressive now. Right. In fact, then you just think that's what you're supposed to do. That's what you're supposed to do, yeah. Yeah. It's insane. When you talk about Richard Pry you're supposed to do. That's what you're supposed to do, yeah. Yeah. It's insane. When you talk about Richard Pryor, I was getting my master's degree at Cal State Northridge

in California. I lived on Parthenia Avenue. I lived two doors from Richard Pryor. Wow. Didn't even know it at the time. He lived two doors down from me. I was on the track scholarship, so they had me this beautiful home on Parthenia. And got to meet Richard Pryor down the line. And me being crazy, I always just say,

I wish I could have saw him running down Parthenia on fire. Because I would have told him I need a certain amount of money, I'd throw this water on him. That was almost my inside joke. I wish I saw him on fire so I could bargain with him to get a few dollars. Crazy story. And Keenan to this day

is the Kennedy's of comedy. I'll say the Kennedys and the Jacks of Fives. He understood the game. He took his family. He put all of them on, Damon, Marlon, Sean, excuse me, Kim. Every last one, which is phenomenal. And when you grow up in a family,

you see brothers and sisters arguing, you think that might be the way the world's supposed be and then this the wands mm-hmm and they show you how family is supposed to take care each other absolutely because the Kenan mostly all them are millionaires because the Kenan most of them have a job and I seen it all. Right. And, um, I haven't seen Kenan in years, but, um, he put me in, um, I'm a get you sucker. Yeah. He put me in, I'm a good sucker. And I wasn't really doing standup at that time, but he, he liked me as a person.

Robert Townsend put me in the black, the bold, the beautiful. He liked me as a person. Robert Townsend put me in the Black the Bull the Beautiful. He loved me as a comedian. I played the butler in the Black the Bull the Beautiful and sit here talking to you Shad and I'm just so thankful about what I've accomplished. Because I think the thing is like when you're an athlete or you're anything and you have success, I don't know if you really get an opportunity to enjoy it while you're in it.

I totally agree. Because you don't want it to go away, so I gotta stay focused on this. And then when you're done and as you get older, you're getting to your 40s and the career is starting to dwindle down and you're not doing it as much. You're getting to your 50s or 60s, you're still doing comedy and hopefully you can continue for as long as

you want. But sometimes, like when you're in stuff, I really never appreciated my career when I was in it because I was too caught up in it and I was so afraid that it might go away. So I didn't get an opportunity to enjoy it like, man, I want a Super Bowl or I did this or I did that. Now I get an opportunity to look back, you know, 20 plus years after my career and I was like, damn, I guess I was okay. I guess I did this or I did that. Now I get an opportunity to look back, 20 plus years after my career, and I'm like, damn, I guess I was okay. I guess I did okay. Yeah, that's so true. It's a beautiful feeling, man.

I love it. Beautiful feeling. And people always wanna know when I'm getting married. That's been this big thing with Christianity. Yeah, when you get married. I'm gonna say it on your show. I've been married now for 30 30 years. Oh you married to the game of comedy huh? I'm married to the almighty man guy. Oh okay. That's who I'm

married to. Right. You know so I still have my fun. Yeah. You know I got somebody who I love. Right. That I give a PDD to. You know, you know PDD is a proper dick down. Because when people on social media, they're like, oh you gonna die alone and all that. And I tell people, I got news for you, you gonna die by yourself anyway. Right, yeah. You know, ain't nobody jumping in there with you. Yeah, like die. People are crazy. Take me.

Take me. Yeah, yeah, yo, people is insane with that, yo. So, um, I'm alright me. Yeah, yeah, yo, people is insane with that, yo. So I'm all right, Shannon. Yeah. I'm on Shannon's shop, yo. Listen to me. I predicted I was going to be on your show three years ago. I appreciate you taking time to come on it.

Three years ago, I was telling my team, they said, TK, we need you to do Shannisha. I said calm down That's how I always move calm down It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. It's in the universe already and it has to come natural Because if we go after it, we ain't gonna get it, right y'all called me Yes, which is beautiful. Yeah, and when a team calls you Yes. Which is beautiful. Yes.

And when a team calls you, you know you want it. Yes. And I always tell people, go where you celebrate and not tolerate it. Correct. And you're celebrating me. And that's, it's a difference. Right.

Eddie and Charlie. You met them, you've. Yes. It's a, and I knew it was coming, but let me share it with you. All I can say with the Charlie Murphy's, because everybody thought it was coming, but let me share it with you. All I could say with the Charlie Murphy, because everybody thought it was Eddie Murphy. But it's really Charlie Murphy.

All I can say, I never got a chance to apologize to Charlie because he had died. So you were a klepto back then? No, I wasn't a klepto, I was just doing stupid shit. You were just a Steve-on? No, I was just doing stupid shit. Yeah, why you take the man Rolex, TK? I was just doing stupid shit. You just a Steve, huh? No, I was just doing stupid shit. Yeah. Why you take the man Rolex, TK? I was just doing stupid shit.

It was a bad thing. I was, you know, I was 19 years old, 20 years old. So how long had you known him, Charlie? I didn't know him that long at all. Damn, TK. Yeah, it was a bad situation. And you made it, I mean, you were in the jail for a couple of times,

but I'm saying, and you made it to be 66, you really blessed. I see why you turned your life over to the man. That's right, right? You like hold on I'm living foul out here No, no, did you think did you think about it at the time like cuz like when you're doing stuff TK You don't really think bad stuff gonna happen. Like no, I agree You don't really think about it, but then you get back and look back like damn, but I was crazy when I was young Yeah, man Using them street streets. Yeah, people don't know that people i've given so many people a pass over the last

10 years that things have happened They have no idea the kind of man I used to be but That grew out of you or you I mean the man that you are now So whether is it like you're like, you know what, you're at peace now with who you are? Yes. Obviously you say you're a man of God and you know, talking a little bit off,

I can see that in you. So you think that's what it is? I think you grow up. And everything's gotta be solved with violence, huh? Yeah, everything's gotta be solved with violence, huh? Yeah, everything's gotta be solved with violence. And what you learn in life is they got a place for you. Yeah. You can be tough all you want.

They can break you. They got a place. And they broke me. Really? Yeah, they broke me. Because I was on probation for like 20 years. Damn! Yeah, so you understand.

But not in one state. I would get in trouble in one state. They give me five years. They moved to one state. I would get in trouble in one state, they'd give me five years. They moved to another one. Then I'd get in trouble in another state, they'd give me five years. Damn. So by after 20 years, I had submitted.

I understood because they wasn't playing. They wasn't playing. And I got in trouble with Puffy in 1998. What happened with that situation? I had robbed Puffy. Really TK? Yeah, dog, I told you I was crazy. And the Judge Margaret at that time, she wasn't playing.

And Margaret was like, she didn't care about Puffy. What she cared about was how did he get away with all the other shit? That was so concerned. She wasn't playing because, you know, you look at somebody's record. Rare. She's saying like, I should have been locked up years ago. Right. How did he get to me?

That means somebody wasn't doing their job. Doing their job. That's how she felt. She's going to make sure she do her job. She's going to do her job. You were doing their job. That's how she felt. So now she's gonna make sure she do her job. She gonna do her job. And I could tell she was not playing. So I out-fenest her, right? I told you I'm smart.

He he he he. I out-fenest her. When you say, you know, you fell on the mercy of the court, say, hey. I out-fenest her. I got the best attorneys. But things, when I say out-fenest her,

the universe wants to see you win. Right. So I tell you the story. I don't think I told it on nobody else's show. When I got arrested for the Puffy situation, they was already looking for me. Right, I was on the news and all that. Damn.

It was bad. It was bad, yo. It was bad. My mother was embarrassed. You know, you're embarrassed, your mom. Yeah, it was pretty bad. It's bad. It was bad, yo. It was bad. My mother was embarrassed. You know, once you embarrassed your mom. Yeah, it was pretty bad. It's bad. So I was supposed to have a surrender date

because I still had money. I was just doing dumb stuff, right? I was rich, but I was doing stupid stuff. So basically what I see now, I don't think I wanted success. I think I was sabotaging myself. That's the only way I could look at it. I didn't want that.

I was rich, but for some reason I didn't wanna be richer. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does because I had Damon Wayans on the show and he said Kenan always tells the younger generation of the Wayans family family nieces and nephews Told his younger brothers. He said you were born on the road to success. Why would you want to take a detour? So true? You had money. Mm-hmm. Why would you want to detour and do bulljive? Yeah, but Sometimes you got to go through it. Like I said, the universe, remember I said?

When you get older, the universe wants you to go through these things because you're now a model to teach other people don't make the mistake. That's what you learn when you're getting your sixties. Yes. You don't understand it when you're younger. When you're younger, you're just f***ing up. You know what TK, I learned, sometimes when you're younger,

people won't listen to you because they don't feel you've had enough experience. Once you get to your 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, people are like, you know what, he probably been through some things. If I was gray and came in here with a cane, people respect what I'm saying now. They absolutely would.

But I took care of myself. So they're like, nah, they don't know what he talking about, right? Yep, you're right. So I was like, nah, they don't know what he talking about. Right? Yep, you're right. So with the Puffy thing, and this is how I could share with the world on how bad they always wanted Puffy. See, even in 1998, New York didn't like him.

Really? Oh, man. But he OG. I mean, Puffy, he born and raised there. Let me tell you, I'm OG I'll be perfect. He born and raised there. Let me tell you I'm about to him about the rocky world so I catch my case and I had a surrender date, but I don't turn myself in for three months. Damn I'm on the road getting my money. I thought it was about my money. Yeah

And um, but the FBI come into all my locations houses and shit And, um, but the FBI come into all my locations, houses and shit. So I finally come in, I got my attorneys with me and we walk in and we sort of ran out of cells and they put me in the tombs. And normally you get the tombs, it takes like a whole day to get out. I think I had the record, like I had my attorneys, everything on set. We walked in and we was out of, out of jail. I bailed out like less than three hours.

Wow. So I'm eating at the Shark Bar in Manhattan. Life's a state. Shark Bar used to be bumping back and forth. Exactly, you remember the Shark Bar? Yeah, the way they had one in Atlanta. I'm on the 10 o'clock news. I'm sitting there eating

and I see myself on the 10 o'clock news and everybody's looking like, like they talking about him but he's right there. So I got my crew from up in Harlem. We all down there eating. and I see myself on the 10 o'clock news and everybody's looking like, like they talking about him but he's right here. So I got my crew from up in Harlem, we all down there eating. And people mad at me, you know, I gotta admit, they mad at what I've done, you know.

So I fight the case for a while and then I wind up getting ready to take a plea deal because I had a thing called predicate felon on my jacket. Predicate felon is you caught a felony within a year. Another felony. Another felony after you already committed one. Mandatory four to six in New York. No negotiation, four to six.

So, during that time, I fly to Vegas and I'm gambling and I'm gambling with some powerful people and the guy's name is Tony Capotella and Frank Netato. You got to Google him from Long Island, powerful attorneys. And I explained to them what my situation is and they knew who I was they said to get we need you to do us a favor and I was able to help them out right so they came to represent me and when they came to represent me I tell him I said listen don't come to this court late I said because this judge don't play right and I said you gotta be there at nine. So we stayed in touch for three months, he finally came.

He gets to court at 1130. Dang, two hours, two and a half? He got courted in traffic coming from Long Island, but. But everybody know that, I mean, it's from Long Island to the city? You don't really know what's up. Yeah. But Margaret didn't care. Judge Margaret, she sent me to Broadway State Prison.

In Jersey? Broadway. Broadway. Rikers Island. OK, Rikers. Yes. I'm sorry, Rikers Island. So I'm there for 30 days because I took my deal off the table.

Because I took a deal. I was going to do four to six. I was going to turn myself in. But when I came to court, I took the deal off the table because I took a deal. I was going to do four to six. I was going to turn myself in. But when I came to court, I took the deal off the table. Um, during that time, now here's how the universe rocks with you. Puffy catches a case for shine and Jennifer Lopez. Yep. Firearm charge.

Firearm charge. The same people that wanted to lock Puffy up comes to Rikers to want me to testify against Puffy Combs and lie and say I saw him with the gun. So they said, my attorney's like, TK, you wanna help out the prosecution? Me being smart, I said, tell them to get me out of here, we can talk about it.

So they don't take me out of jail, but they take me from Rikers, bring me back down to the tombs. Okay. They come down and the COs know me and they see the FBI and everything. They're like, yo, why all these people here? I got the FBI jackets on, the sit look crazy.

So they take me downstairs, I'm in the sedan and we zoom in through Manhattan to go to the club that Puffy had the shooting. So they wanted you, they didn't tell you what to say. They wanted you to read between the lines. Jennifer Lopez was here, Shon was here, Puffy was here and you were right here. Like I'm putting. Yeah. Yeah, I was right there. Right. I was right there.

Sucker, what the fuck I'm saying? I'm right the fuck here. But during the time I'm ordering food, they paying for it. I'm getting the design. Yeah, I'm getting the three days I'm eating the best food. I'm enjoying myself. Yeah. So after three days, my attorneys come see me and they say, hey, they wanna know if you're gonna help them because they're giving me to go to grand jury. And they want me to testify in the grand jury against Puff.

And I looked at my attorneys and I said, nah, tell them I'm okay, I'm all right. Then fuck with them. You done got a belly, you done ate them people food, got they good drinks, some good- That was my move. That was my move. So I wound up getting five years probation.

That was the last state that I got in trouble with. No, California after that. But, by the time, the last one, I got the last five years probation. I was very successful. It's in California, it was domestic violence case with my daughter's mother. I had a little issue. So my work release, and I'm still living like a king. I'm putting a couple of guys that's on work,

I put them through college, I put them through DeVry. It's not a major school, but I'm paying their way through DeVry before Uber Eats was out. When you were being on the highway and picking trash and all that, lunchtime I would order food and have the people, restaurants,

bring the food to me and my crew. We eating on the side of the highway, we eating in the park, living it, but I'm still living like TK. I'm still that player. I know that I messed up. I'm gonna get through this. This has taught me a lesson.

I'll never forget, I'm in San Bernardino Park. I'm picking up trash, and I'm still famous. People still wanna take a picture. So I got the yellow jacket on, and the tweezer thing to pick up the trash taking pictures with people Right, but it taught me a lesson Shannon And when I got through it, I tell people the thing I wish for people the most is peace of mind. Mm-hmm Once you know a piece of mine tastes like

And you lose it you'll fight forever to get it back for sure you will fight to get it back and I fought my whole life to get it because I knew what it tastes like I knew what it felt like and I wasn't gonna let nothing else stand in my way again that feeling of being your own man being. Being free is one of the greatest emotions any man or woman can have is that peace of mind. And once I achieved it, I made a promise to myself that I would never give that up for nobody. This concludes the first half of my conversation.

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