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Episode Date: December 17, 2025

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Stopping by for conversation on the drink today, the king of hip hop and R&B fusion, a poetic writer, and international artist, Grammy nominated and Diamond Selling Rapper. He's the first rapper to open the State of the Union, a cultural influence, and a tastemaker, a fashion icon, a D.C. legend. He has his own day in Maryland.

Here he is. Waleigh. What's up, bro? It's been a minute. It's been about, what, two years? I think we're both on a flight back from Vegas to L.A. Yep.

And I think he was running to catch another flight. I was running somewhere. You got your dog. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, we both. It's one of them black men in the industry thing. Like, I see you play. I see you play. And we just running. We've got to run to the bag. Yeah. Hey, man, you know what? New album's out. I don't know if you are, you know, this is my cognate. Shaved by Laporteur. It's a Vsop. You know, Vsop, very special old pale, age between four and six years. Some of these bottles have been aged for up to eight years. So that's what makes it special. Has to originate in that region. Your album, everything is a lot. Let me know when you need some product placement in the video. We can figure that out.

Okay, we can do that. We can do that. D.C. is the brunch capital of the world, baby. The black brunch capital of the world. Y'all took that from Atlanta, Houston? I mean, we kind of, we, y'all originated that. Y'all originated. That might be a little.

Let me not, let me retract. But we just got our own thing. You got your own thing. You know, you know. So for brunch, what's a D.C.? What do y'all get? Crab cakes and. It's everything.

It's not really the brunch. Oh, just, it's the, it's the ambivaling, the talking, to getting together. Yeah, it's like a party from two o'clock somewhere, and there's one at five, there's one at nine, and then they go, like, we party city for real. But Atlanta got, Atlanta different, though, because I saw a brunch party at a no boo, and I was like, all right, y'all got it. You know what I'm saying? Y'all went to brunch for us, for real.

So let's talk about the album. The fans have been showing a lot of love for the album online. They said, this timeline is healing. It's rap music. It's back. When you hear that, because I'm sure you've heard, you know, you have your feet in the street, you hear you have your ear to the pavement and you know what's going on. But when you hear fans, it's okay, he's bringing it back, he's brought it back.

How does that make you feel? I mean, they say that every time I ever drop. Yeah. I think it's because I probably ain't dropping, like, a little while, like a whole project. Right. They say that all the time. But, like, we were talking more earlier, the game is, like, it's just moving at such a fast pace now. Like, a lot of things has changed.

So it might bring people feelings back to hear me since they haven't heard it in a long time. Right. It ain't not really changed. I think they probably just got exhausted from hearing the same stuff. So you said you've been away. It's been about three or four years since you last dropped something. Like when you're away that length of time, do you feel like, damn, has it passed me by? Do I still have what it take? Do you ever second guess yourself questions? Not my talent. One of the worst things about music business is like it's subjective. Like, you know, I grew up playing sports, like running track, basketball, all of that, like, and football, like, you know, if I got 40 yards, if I got 40 points or 150 yards, that's that, I don't care who like it. Right, you know what it be, yeah.

I can write the best, the most perfect song that makes the most sense, the catchiest hook. Somebody could not even hear it because they just don't want it, you know, you know what I'm saying? So it's one of those things that, like, I cannot, I don't, I know the talent is there, but the landscape is coming. completely different. This episode is brought to you by prize picks. It's the holiday season, the best time of year for sports, bowl games, basketball matchup, playoff pushes, and it's all happening at once.

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you have an idea. Not just for a track before an album. I let it go. Especially when I'm starting. I'm kind of, it's chaotic at the beginning and it's chaotic in the end. I just let it go sometimes. You know, I went to Nashville a little bit. I went to London for a while. I went to Monaco. I want a lot of places just to go and just let it go. Like, you know, get some little tree.

Maybe we can get some of the cognac next time. You know, and just get the vibe going and just see where it's at and just start writing. I got so many. It's like scattered all over the place until it starts coming together. So you get an idea, you get a vision anywhere. So let's just say you in Monaco, something comes together, you start writing. You mentioned you in London or you were here, something, you start writing. And then all this comes together, and then you says, okay, I think I got something.

Right. I mean, I think it's just, it's such a weird, like, they call it, like, a rain man thing I'll be doing. Like, because I get so upset with myself sometimes. If I've been, like I said, I've been to student for six hours And I, and I, and I, I haven't picked a beat And I know I'm about to leave, like, the session about to be over I just be like, yo, whoever's in the, pick any beat I'm going to go take a walk, come back

Whatever beat it is, I'm going to write to it. A lot of songs have come like that. Like, it's just, like, because I just want, I need to write something, you know what I'm saying? So you need to be under the gun. You need to your back, seem to be your back against the wall. Sometimes, yeah, yep, yep. I mean, one time I was talking to,

I was talking to Jay Cole this was my last album and I felt like writing I just didn't know what to write about and we was just talking I was like before we got to follow the hell give me a word anywhere I don't care and he was like semi-automatic

and I was like all right cool and then I just started writing semi-automatic and I just used it as a metaphor for my brain and then I made it a song and it went on an album it's just like sometimes you feel like I didn't have no inspiration

but I felt like writing and then when somebody gave me something I built around it, you know what I'm saying? Have you ever been in a situation where you're not in the mood? Like, he's like, okay, I don't got anything coming out, but something just hits you and you're right for a later day and time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, a lot on this album, like, like things and life was happening, and maybe not the very same day, but, like, I was pulling from situations a lot on this one.

Like, that's why I kind of took a lot out of me emotionally to make this drink because I took a lot of stuff out of my life. like, you know what I'm saying? Like, real trauma, real stuff. Is it easier to write like that? From a personal, from a personal experience level. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it's not.

Sometimes you got to push yourself to places you don't want to go to talk about stuff. You don't really feel comfortable talking about. So that's kind of tricky sometimes. And then it's like, you kind of, sometimes you think about how I might make other people feel, you know, if you're not wording things in the right way or you're just trying to tell your story, whatever. So it's tricky. You know what I'm saying?

No, no. To be honest, it hasn't happened. Because, I mean, most people that I have a fondness for, even if, like, women, as far as women, like, if I have a fondness for them or if I ever had a fondest for them, I really won't have nothing negative to say about them. Even because they're not, they're not artists. They don't have a platform.

They can't, you know, and plus I'm not that type of person. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, if it's done, it's done. Like, I don't really got nothing to say negative about them. When you see that your music has surpass Taylor Swift on the Apple charts, your number two behind Summer Walker, because, like, obviously, you said it. Like, if I score 40 points, that's 40.

No matter what, I've got 40 points, and people understand 40 points in the basketball game is 40 points. I get 150 yards, two touchdowns in the game. People know that 150, two tuttees. We know what that is. But when you see people actually accept it, and it zooms up the chart, and we know who Taylor Swift is, and we know who some of those other people that were there and you surpass them.

How does that make you feel like that? You're like, okay, I did it right. It's framing, you know what I'm saying? Tell us what's doing stadiums and her album been on for a long time, but I mean, that's just how you frame it or whatever, but I don't really, I mean, not to say I don't look at the numbers because they, I try to quantify stuff

because of how I grew up playing sports, but like I don't really get into it too much, you know what I'm saying? Like, because I ain't have a great first week. sales on this album, but it's one of my most highly praised projects I've ever done in my 15 year career, so, you know, I try to, like, focus on that. Even though, I mean,

it is good to see that people is receiving it, but, you know, the numbers thing is tricky now anyways, because a lot of numbers is fake, a lot of things it's body, a lot of things it's being like, you know, narratives, but you can't fake the word of mouth, though, so. Correct.

You don't get too tied up into the numbers because you don't want to get too high or too low. Well, I mean, I can't really do nothing about them. Like, like, you know, I can't, like, it's streaming the, like, like, a lot of these young, like, my, like, my, my, my, my, my fans, like, a lot of them be having full-time jobs and kids and a busy life, they can't listen to my album 15 times in a day. Right. You know, some of these other people got fans that they can, they go to, they got to go to school, they got to, they got to, they study, and they, like, they have a lot of time to hear their music, and it's, like, different, you know what I'm saying? So the numbers is, like, kind of, it's, like, when

When it was, when we was back, before streaming, I used to be, I'm very blue collar. Right. I'd be in Detroit. I'd be in Chicago. I'd be in D.C. Shine and joints, block me, you know what I'm saying? I was knocking out 150, 160 first week around that time. I know with the streaming, it kind of chopped a half.

But the fans ain't ever go nowhere. They set up the shows, but streaming is not a really good indicator of, like, impact, I don't think. Is that the biggest difference that you've seen? Because, like you said, you used to go to Detroit, you go to Chicago, you go to these places, and you pop up to the store and, you know, the horror companies, they're, they're, they're, leaving. Now, not so many people are not really purchased. 1.500 plays equals

one cell. You feel me? 1500? I said it right, right it's like 1,500 streams is one record set. That don't seem right. I mean, you know, the game is the game. But who decided, who decided that 1,500 equals

one album set? Who decided that? I don't know, man. But it's been like this for, man, it's been like this for what, like, what, since probably, like, album all, nothing with that, like, 2016, probably around 2014, something like that. Yeah, so that's just for Apple, or Spotify, I want to know. But, yeah, $1,500, like, I can't even remember my favorite album,

Thriller, or whatever. Like, I ain't, the first week that drink came out, I ain't spending 15, 100 times or whatever. Right. I never spent reasonable doubt that many times, you know what I'm saying? But I don't know, it's just a tricky game now, so I put my faith in my fans in that tour, for real. Here's a question.

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I was over it. But vinyl is making a little, vinyl's kind of like gives it a little bit of that. There's still a little mom and pop store here and there that sell the vitals and stuff like the incense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of how we grew up, Wiley. You know, we used to go and you could listen to it.

Hey, you listen to it, have the head sit on, you listen to it. You ask them to cut you. And you would appreciate music. different back then. You appreciated differently because it wasn't so easily accessible. You had to be like, man, I got to get my book back and get

my CD. You know what I'm saying? You get your CD? Like, it's just that, you get that piece of mind. You just listen to the song you had in your head. Now you can just be like, man, let me put my phone on and hear this joint. Right. Get my quick dopamine hit. It's the music a little cheaper now. That's why I always ask people, do you think, how what Michael Jackson do? If he was in this

prime right now, I don't even know if it's possible. No. Because it's too much access. It's too much The access has diluted a lot of things. The music, the star power, the Hollywood movie star, all of it. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if in today's time we'll ever see somebody as big as Mike. No, mm-mm, no, no. People passing out.

Just the thought, I mean, crying and breaking down, literally crying. Yeah. Yeah, we're not seeing anything. One thing I'm excited about is to see the Gen Z and even Jen Alpha, like, if this movie's handle right, like to see them getting experience Mike for the first time, like, and seeing what he really was. Like, you, because like, bro,

if that, if all that Michael Jackson footage wasn't documented on camera, you wouldn't even believe. You wouldn't believe that a man could come on stage at the Super Bowl and just sit still for two minutes, not even move and every, people would be passing, like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's crazy. Or to have him come up to it, you know, he's in a hotel and there are thousands

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Like, your whole life, you gave it to this business. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, I'm excited to see how they were at because I was watching someone on YouTube every day. And it was like a young Gen Z kid, he was like, Michael Jackson, the ultimate aura farmer. And I was like, oh, this is my type of. This is my type of crossover episode.

Yeah, I like to see, I want to see, I want them to see how crazy Mike was. But when you hear people say, well, this person is as big as Mike and this person. It's not, uh-uh, uh-uh, uh-uh. Not, no musician. Like, you know what I'm saying? No.

Yeah, there's some, there's blasphemous things that can be, maybe, but. Maybe only Jesus was bigger to Michael Jackson. But then you tell, then you tap, you moon walking around blasphemy right there. So you can't really say that. But after that, it's like, yo, who more? The Mike?

I'm a Mike, maybe, but it's still different. But when Halloween, when you get the costume, when you get the red jacket or you get the glove, people still, they still do in plays. This nigga's still up on Hollywood Boulevard, just like Michael doing. Exactly. I'm saying, he got, Mike got his impersonators too.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But, yeah, but Michael Jackson's different. He's like the closest thing to superhuman that you can see. Like, this whole thing. If I win five more Grammys, I'll take off my glasses. Thank you You ain't going to see that no else You being from the DMV

Kevin Durant Had very high praise for you But there's been a lot of I mean, Chappelle from the DMZ Quaid, Taraji Martin I think Wanda Sykes is from the DMV too also Is she?

She's a little bit further enough before She's funny like she's young like she's from around the way Stephon Diggs Yeah You know what I'm saying? We got a couple people, Caleb Williams. Yeah. Yeah, we're a small little community, but, and we jaded.

Yeah. But Katie said you're inspiring. What's your relationship would like with Katie? Man, like, if you grew up around, like, whatever, a week from, like, Isaiah Swan, Big Moves, Eddie Badd, Delante West, like, Todd Lawson, you know, James White, like, Katie. Man, it's just like, we got, it's like a community, you know. And I was always around that community, but, like, they kind of kicked me out of the community when we started getting taller. And I just stayed with, like, yeah, it's enough A-A-U, just stay with track. Just stay with track.

But, you know, I grew up around all of that. Like, you know, I remember James White when he was one of the biggest recruits in the nation. And I remember, I might have been Roy Williams at that time. I think he had already signed with Cincinnati. But we, like, in the hood, we were at 1-2-4. Like, all everybody outside, the head coach, we see him on ESPN all the time. me come out to see James you know what I'm saying so like it's just like there's so many of these little stories that in all these little moments and all in this community that we had in the in the

Hooper's community and I and Katie come from that you know what I'm saying and uh we both kind of started getting famous at the same time and uh man like we just been cool for for a long time like his family know my family you know we got we got a lot of the same mutual friends you know what I'm like I said to James White and all of that like we just all proud of him and they proud of me you know what I'm saying like he I used to I used to record music at his old crib in Oklahoma you know I mean shoot man we had I have one of the most legendary parties when okay all the O KC team came over for me and Katie's birthday in D.C like we just been locked in I was at a couple of his rookie year games

you know my man Craig used to play with him in Texas it's just like all love over His mom always showed me love when she sees me, support me. When you guys were growing up, did you know, I wonder if I had an opportunity, I would ask him, but I have you, so I'm going to ask you. When you guys were growing up, obviously he was probably a little taller than not much bigger than what he is right now, but a little, but he was always tall. Did you know Kevin Durant was going to be KD? Well, when I met, I mean, I knew of him, everybody knew of him, Machos Christian. I wouldn't have, the, can I say the N-word? They're going to meet me out.

I'm overthinking, but nah, man, I don't think the nix was going to class, but they just, but D.C. got, man, DMV got so many of them schools, but yeah, um, uh, I didn't know, I didn't really know him personally until maybe midway through his freshman year, Texas. Okay. But we, we normally about each other for a while. So, you're like, okay, but it's always, it always feels good because you got someone from your community and he went this, been, and became, successful. Yeah. You did you, from that same community, went successful. So many people from that community. I mean, like you said, you didn't really know a whole lot about him. It's hard to get out that, bro. Really? Yeah. Really? Like, I mean, hooping, sports is different. Music is definitely, like, you know what I'm saying? This is, like, it's go-go music and, like,

or anything else, but it's not that many musicians from the joint. But I think we got to, we like a staple for hoops now, though. But that's a big reason for that. Right. But, yeah, and that's, that's interesting, that. go-go and I remember when I was in college and we had some guys I know you I know you're Savannah State right yeah and I know you had the DC then they probably had the parties playing the job like what the hell is this shit but the first time I'm sorry

up and poke and me I'm like man what is this I'm playing doing the butt at the party but they was turning up though they were turning up I know that may sense yeah but I was like what what I didn't know what it was and then everybody I mean when they started playing it everybody started, like, vibing to it. Yeah. So, obviously, a house and go-go was huge.

Uh-huh. What made you decide, like, yeah, but I ain't going that way? I mean, that's what's so unique about me is, like, I played in go-go bands when I was growing up. Something was real small, real nothing, and then when I said, like, I was always getting better at rap. And then, like, before I blew up, I said, like, some of the bigger bands in the city was letting me come and rap with them.

So I was, I was, like, getting my fan base up, learning my stage presence, and all of that. Like, that was always the, rap was always going to be my way. Like, once I started playing football, it was straight music, you know what I mean? Straight music, like, that realization in college when I was like, okay, uh. I ain't going to the NFL. Yeah, because I played, I played at, uh, Robert Morris. Okay. For Joe Walton, he used to coach the jazz guy, that's his soul, man.

Yeah, and I played Robert Morris, that's in Pennsylvania? Yeah, yeah, I went there And I went there Because, like, when I was senior, I was like 150 You know what I'm saying? I was real small? What was it you play?

Running back. But what happened was they was like, okay, we got a couple schools trying to see, but like they all went to play receiver So I moved to receiver my senior year And I was getting busy, a receiver Like, they put some little jet screens and all for me or whatever, because I couldn't really run.

I didn't, I wasn't a receiver. Right. But cool. I got all my offers, and it was all for high jump and to play receiver. So I signed with Rob Moore's, first day it camp. It was like, it was all the freshman, you know what I'm saying? Got all the New York dudes here. You got the D.C. dudes there.

You got the Florida dudes there. And we subsizing everybody up. Like, I'm like, I'm kind of small, cool. I go with the receivers. There's some small motherfuckersers. right brother but not seeing all these from florida running routes i immediately was like yo i'll go back to running back i i'm like i can't they was doing it but i ain't know what the route tree was like that or nothing like they was running routes for real so i was like man i go back to

running back so i had to work my way back up there and i couldn't get cleared to play so i tried transferred virginia state got there and uh i mean i got my confidence back but i just me and that coach man We, you know, man, he was like, like, to go from, like, Coach Walton, who, like, coach the Jets, Coach Jennifer, he don't be mad. He don't be mad when you, uh, fumble or drop the ball. He's on, he's execution based. Right. So, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you run, do your play, do it full speed?

He ain't tripping if you try. Coach Fays in that, uh, Junior State, if you, like, anything, if he, he might not like the way you toss the ball back to the, he's going to make, like, and I just couldn't get, I can't get. I couldn't get through that. And I was killing. I was doing my thing over there. Right. But he made his duty to be like, oh, I'm a show this motherfucker. And sent me home during summer camp.

And then I tried to get into a school in the same division. And it wouldn't clear you. It wasn't clear me. I was it. I said, God's guy. He knows better. Now, y'all know your favorite, aunt. But I'm also a last minute sharper.

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I would be like entertaining my teammates okay you know what I'm saying but I think for real one of the real moments I knew that maybe this could really go somewhere. The first time I went to Carol City, one of my teammates from Rob Moore, I went to his people for the holidays. And I remember he was just beating on the, on the back of the bus, and I just started freestyling. And like, all these people started gathering around me. And I never experienced nothing like that

no more. And then I remember he just been like, bro, you should just do this for real, for real. And And never took a series until NCAA was like, no, thank you. And I just went hard with it. So that was your, like, hey. I mean, at that point in time, I guess they kind of forced you to take it serious because. Yeah, and I was doing, I mean, it was, like, I would go to, I'll be at school, or I'd take the bus to work, and I'd be writing rap. And then I'd go to the studio, and some of these freestyles, it was playing over the radio.

And then I had done, like, 20 freestyles and did the mixtapement, and people were like, oh, can he make a song? and I started making songs on the radio and it just, I was literally working at the local shoot store and Sprint with like two songs on radio rotation. So I knew it was time I could, like, I could probably drop out, you know what I'm saying?

And I got offers to tour with Mark Ronson. So, you know, and I had meetings with Jay-Z and all these labels, so I had to tell them up, like, what did you say? When you told you mom to lay, Malay in school level. It was too late. It was too late. I'd already, I probably hadn't been to class

in like a semester and a half but did she know you hadn't been to class? I bought my father a truck and I said let that boy that boy don't need to go to class Nigerian parents

that's how my mother's generation Nigerian parents they're not going to if the money is right and you're not in trouble with the law you don't worry about it

you're good you know what I'm saying so I bought my father a truck he ended up taking it to Nigeria a lot of Nigeria and parents do that but yeah once that came through

she knew it was good And then I was, next thing you know, I was doing, like, Glastonbury with Mark Ronson. Right. 70,000 people and then had a bid on war when I came back from London. Wow. You spent some time in the ATL, right? Yeah. You go to A.

So was that immediately after you, like, started doing your thing, and like, okay, I can do this. I'm doing this. I got noticed. How soon were that you D.C., that you transferred to Atlanta? Yeah. I think I had got dropped from Minoscope. I feel like this Array artist's story art, villain art, like, Interscope dropped me,

and then I blew up. I got Drive from Interscope, and I just would be in the South a lot. I'll be in Atlanta a lot, because they just embraced me. Right. Like, Yo, Gadi and Gucci Man, like, they really embraced me in T.I.

So I remember, because I put Gucci Man on my album on Interscope on the Go-Go song. But he had been locked up, like, for a long time. So, you know, I was just running around with everybody. My man, Twin was, like, bringing me around everybody from, like, the strippers to the everybody. And, um, so I'm, like, I'm soaking up all this culture. Meanwhile, I just got dropped. But, like, you know, we get no hands done and all of that.

And, like, when Gucci came home, he made sure that I was at his welcome home party. Okay. And, like, that was a long, I was, like, the longest day in my life. But that was the night I did no hands. And then, like, so I have this cult following. I just got dropped out of this cult following. his backpack hip hop following and then i got this super huge record coming out of Atlanta at the same time so like everything really really hit right there like right

because i had already i was already done with the whole like mark ronson thing aniscoe was done with me did that and i just turned up in Atlanta is that where you met thug at you met thug then yeah y'all y'all i'm at uh long time ago i tried to i tried to um to bring i try to to get to take thug and um um um uh god rest is so rich on me corn i try to get them on rock nation i said a meeting up with jay and uh i think corn and his pops went whatever but yeah i know thug for a long time and like he's a good niggins that's my man for real i've seen how far he came like he not one of them people like that i just like i just like i just remember like he would meet me me at the radio station out there.

And I just was seeing how he was moving. And I always look at him now, and I'd be like, bro, y'all have no idea how far does the kids come. Like, you know what I'm saying? He was really outside. Yeah, he was outside outside. With the shenanigans. You know what I'm saying?

Let's talk about this new album with yours. You sampled a lot of classics on it. SWV, as I'm so into you, Keith Sweat, get up on you. Michael Jackson, the way you make me feel, soul to soul, back to life, rap, El Sadiq. How hard was it to get to get some of those

sample cleared. Man, luckily my people know that I'm like a space man when I'm recording and they don't even, they like, I could feel the detention that was going around with the sample clearances.

I kept myself ignorant in order to finish the project, but knowing what I know, I don't think it was the easiest thing in the world. I know Keith Sweat was like, hey, hey, hey, you know what I'm saying? Like, it took a little bit with that, but when you let the music, man. You got to do what you got to do.

You know, I talked to people. I've talked to L.L. I've talked to people that had their music sample. And L. says, look, you sample mine, I got to hear it first. Obviously, Michael can't hear it. He's no longer, he's deceased, obviously. But did they want to hear what you do? Mike went on this one. Mike was on Shine, I believe, right? You didn't sample Mike on this,

you know? I think it was his melody. Melody from Michael. What song is that? I got no one. I still didn't clear the samples. It might have been, I might have been Sean. But I do know, like, I'm a big, my, I'm back. I can't say, now I'm about Mike around me. I'm on stage right night.

Like, you could play Moonwalk in that movie. I could say every, I could do the whole thing. The whole cadence, the whole thing, do what you see. So, you know, I mean, I meant a lot to me when I did Sample. I went to go see Catherine. I went to go see, I went to go see, you know, I went to, I went to, I went to, to the house, you know, I'm looking in the room. I'm looking for Ben, where Ben used to be hanging at.

and all that, I'm soaking in, I saw a Reebbe, you feel me? Like, I'm really, you know what I'm saying? I'm sampling Mike again. I'm just what you all right. And again, I might just do the whole Michael Jackson mix if they didn't let me. I don't need the money. I just want to do it for Mike. Right. Do, like, when you sample a song,

I mean, obviously, do they want to hear? I don't, I don't even, did that happen at all on this joint? Did anybody want to hear? Yes, one person who. sitting on fire the one we didn't get we didn't wow oh yeah okay good one um man bro you i don't know if you ever been in a position where you felt like

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So listen to good luck with that on IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You calling me at three in the morning, you high in the studio, you're trying to make, like, it, so I just, so many people I had to call that change this, change that, change this, and we got a record called Cities on Fire. Right. With O'Dill, shout out my man, O'Dill. He, uh, and I had cut it in London, and I just was, I was running. I was, like, I do a lot of my playbacks when I'm, like, running. And I just was like, yo, I think we got to change the beat.

And, like, everybody on my team was like, because to do that, it's a lot, you know what I'm saying? Because it was a sample, and it was like a Bollywood sample or something like that. And they, like, didn't, their reply was so crazy. I was like, y'all don't respect this genre, this, what's going on, so whatever. So I, like, I, like, work night and day, like, for, like, a month to change the beat. And it really took a lot, because you got to call this person, call that person.

this one's in London this one's in Paris this one's in it so you know artists out there be careful what you sample please

do you let artist sample your music I think I think probably like two or three have done it like above the board maybe

but I would probably want to hear it though for real I ain't trying don't butcher my stuff that's what Bobby Brown said Bobby Brown said

the exact same a lot of people LL said I got to hear it Bobby says I need to hear it. I wonder if Mike had to hear, um, hey lover, this is more than a curse

because he's a simple lady on my life. Ask L.O. that. I want to know, Mike, you want you want, you want to police. I'm sampling L.L. Coojay now. You're going to sample? No, I'm probably, but you. I don't want no smoke well out. Song breakdown. Conundrum. Mm-hmm. You said my baby mother told a new husband she had to move on.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Was it, was it hard to see your baby mom get married? Uh, one of the most polarizing like things it's like I mean like you could let you she's she's a she's a she's a she's a she's a great like great mother and like like a like a like a very very strong black woman and it's like life life be happening and you just y'all grow apart you know what I'm saying and just you know like you don't want to

see nobody hurt you know what I'm saying like you don't want to see nobody like you don't want see nobody like you don't want to see nobody like that and then you don't want to be the reason for right you know what I'm saying and it's like we're fighting and fighting and fighting it like you know and I'm I'm out here chasing this dream this thinkless drive and this dream and it's like right and it's taking this toll on me it's taking a toll on us and it's like you just got to let it go like and I couldn't stop I couldn't to stop it at that point for me would be selfish yeah but you know like and A thousand percent.

You know, like live, like, you know, so what I'm saying? Let our daughter be around, like, a conventional kind of, you know what I'm saying? Yes. Traditional family. I just, like, the pride and ego, like, it kind of is, it's jarring. But, like, I'm blessed because her husband is like, he's like, I just feel like, man, this is a big step. Like, for me as a person, like, the relationship that we've, we've, like, obtained like we talk

me and her how we talk okay like that's great like we I can't me and her can't even really talk about me and him talk about like okay like how she doing what's the school like when she coming like he's just a he get it like he get it right but I call him

I'd be like man it was good he'd be like man like yeah okay I think about how are you how are you doing because I know the album just came out like da da da and that's just the type of person that I'm grateful that she found somebody like that and I'm grateful that my daughter could have somebody like that and around They don't have to worry about what type of environment she's in or whatever. So that's a silver lining in it all.

Like, I know I'm not, bro, chasing this stuff is not, like, you know what it is. You're going to, you're going to, everybody not going to understand it. Everybody's not going to understand it. And it's like, it's hard. Like, you got to, you got to, some people, you ain't going to be the same. Like, your circle is going to change. Yeah. And people are not going to understand it.

But when you're trying to make these things happen and you, you ought to the glue to your family, you got to do what you got to do. Do you think it's because the wounds is still so fresh? Is it still so hard? I'm sure she felt a certain type of way about you and now it didn't happen probably the way she envisioned.

She probably envisioned a traditional family. Her, you, your child together happily ever after. That didn't happen. So you think the wounds because it's still so fresh, that's really why so hot? I don't think it's fresh. No, it ain't fresh because of the The separate, like the, we've been done for a long time.

Okay. And like I can't, I can't, we disagree on a lot of things, but it's like we don't disagree on like, like, I just know that like she deserve something that I can't give, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and she, she can't be wasting her years on like, like, waiting for you to figure it out. Yeah, and there's somebody that's the right day that's present, that's like a good person. Like it's like, that wouldn't even be.

Right, you know what I'm saying? And I'll still be job trying to figure myself out too, right? You know what I'm saying? In that world, like, because there was a time that I wasn't trying to date nobody publicly because I didn't want, I didn't want to hurt her, you know what I'm saying? Even though I knew I wasn't going to be, we weren't going to be together, I just didn't want to, like, pour salt on the wound, whatever, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, like I said, this is a bittersweet thing, like, because she deserves that, like, happy life. Like, she deserves those things that, like, every woman wants.

Did you have to meet your child's mom? I mean, her husband, future husband, did you meet the boy? Did you have, did you have to, was a prerequisite? Man, I went through every single, because it was just, the way I found out was like just... Oh, she didn't tell you? Nah, but, I mean... Tango! You know, I mean...

Well, maybe she didn't want to hurt you, you say you didn't want to hurt her by this? I don't know, I don't know. But it's life, though. But when I, like, it just, it went through phases, like, I think once I got to, because I never really got mad. Because it's not like, it's not like we were emotionally tied in with each other. It's just like the transparency kind of thing. But, like, when I, like, you know, I went through like a, like, like, high. Like, and then, like, when I messed him, it was like, it's to anybody that's working on co-parents and no, it's never going to be, like, easy, bro.

That's actually going to feel weird, like the first four, five, maybe six, seven times. Not maybe first year, but like, there'll be a moment that happened when y'all realize you're not in competition. Y'all realize, like, bro, like, whatever energy y'all got with each other is going to somehow morph into the child, you know what I'm saying? So now it's like blended because they have a, they got a, she has a new child, you know what I'm saying, with him and my daughter has a brother. That's not my child. So it's like, it's just these are things that you just have to deal with and you have to like come to grips with as a man and just like, you know, process. It's a process. It ain't, it ain't easy, but like, shoot, it's not, I don't think nobody in this planet

and any type of entertainment business has a conventional situation. Right. It just doesn't exist, I don't think. Is she allowed to meet the person that you're dating that's going to be around the child? If she want, if she want to. She hasn't asked that, yeah. Mm-mm. She probably don't care, though.

Oh, no. In conundra, you also said, Was it love her or did I love her? I'm closed off. Which one is worse? Which one is worse? I don't know. That's why I asked it.

You asked a question. Do you supposed to have to answer? No, it's rhetorical. I'm closed off. You know what I'm saying? Like, lust is a... Man, like, lust or how you like... You got to have it.

The lust goggles make you think it's love. Yes. And, you know, some people are like, you might have the most crazy chemistry with it. physically, but like, when it's over, like, you don't understand none of the jokes on this Martin episode. You don't understand.

So you don't understand why I'm laughing like this when he's dragging this little, this little dog. Fake, fake rock wall. But we just had the craziest low, you know what I'm saying? Smoked a little something. We're in a laughing mood. And you can't, you're not laughing at this? Are we not?

We don't have no other than the thing. We just did. You know what I'm saying? So you get you closed. You start realizing. I'm like, okay, maybe we don't, you know, be like, damn, like, I'm a little bit cold for real, like, because it's like, I don't, you're not really my, just not really what I thought it was in time. Yeah, because we're not going to spend every week and hour in the bedroom. Yeah, and it's, but don't you, do you figure that out beforehand, hopefully, hopefully. Honeymoor, no, there's always a honeymoon stage, though, you know what I'm saying, always a honeymoon stage, but you go out to eat, you get a nice dinner, you know, she eating salad, she ain't leaving nothing, you know, she had all embarrassed about, I ain't that hungry, leave half the stuff.

I disarmed women when they try to do that. I ain't hungry thing because we eat sushi. I'm using a fork. I don't care about all that. I'm practical. I'm showing you I'm practical. I'm stabbing the shishimi. Like, yo, so what you say?

What's going on? Because I'm not, so you don't have to do that. Eat what you want to eat. Right. Like, you feel me? Like, no, that's how that is. So, I mean, don't you have a good sense? Let's just say, you go to dinner.

I don't know. People don't probably go to the movies anymore. The movies, I guess. That's your overstimulating for me. I don't know. The movie? It's too much. I'm going to see sinners

at like 9 o'clock in the morning in the corner I don't want too many people too much loudness it's too Michael B. Jones on the screen it's too much I need to simplify some things right

and so you said like damn has that happened when you get to a situation like everything is great but you come to the realization you have this epiphany like you know what

I just I just there's time there's been time that is like the love is there but I got this like and I know this joint it started with sports

but it's like I got this thing when it's like when I have something that I want to do and I create by myself most of the times like when I'm like in it

and it's like I'm trying to still achieve these dreams and stuff I just lock in and then I'm not as I'm not as like eager to have conversation or maybe I just want to sit in silence

some people can't understand understand that and um i've been told i've been cold in relationships like i'm not as affectionate or whatever whatever and i think that just stems from just like being locked in on the go you know i'm saying blanco mm-hmm mama say why are you single i said mama i'm sorry i'm trying but nobody gonna love me like you do yeah so on that line i'm saying like um uh woke up at four in the morning went to bed at four in the morning and the club for an hour or something I was up for like 48 of them from the capital back to Mulhalla, Landover and back to Rodale,

making sure that my circle is small. No, making sure that my circle is tight, so nobody I know got an angle. Got me drinking whatever this is, white or brown, because I gotta be gold. In my beautiful house, no friends. Now, where's my Casamigo? And my mama don't ever say hi.

She said, why is you single? I said, Mommy, I'm sorry, I'm trying. But nobody's gonna love me like she do. And that's the Blanco. And nobody's gonna love me like she do. she do and that's the rubber side of though and the wife be laughing like we do you know what I'm saying and I'm just basically talking about like I'm I do this thing where I have to be out and I have to be in these places and I'm I'm overly informed and I know what's going on I don't

keep a lot of friends around I got to be like this I'm not mom I'm not thinking about no wife right now I'm trying to survive this industry and and beat the game you know I can see the next level I'm without my moral so I I can't be looking for love actively like you would like me too. The Blanco and the saddle, they got me in a dark place, but it's where I need to be to get the one going. Do you believe you'll find a partner that will love you like your mom do? I'm a mother-move differently, but, man, Nigerian mother's, man. God bless them.

Yeah, well, you never know. You hope so, you know what I'm saying? I got a unique way about me, so you never know. They say it's somebody for everybody, so. You're not actively looking, though. I got this, this, this, this, I'm not looking right now. You're about to say you got. I got a couple more minutes to talk to one of the NFL's all the time.

Dan, Travis Kelsey just passed you, man? Oh, no, he's been past me. Nah. Somebody, then who else just passed you? Hmm. You got one more season, just to get to you? Nah, no, no, no, no, no. I ain't got no more seats.

Maybe, maybe Zach Earts. It couldn't have been... I don't want to say it like that. He just got... No, no, no, no. But I think he got... I think he passed me as far as, like, catches or something. Travis and Kelsey.

Man, the NFL used tight ends a whole lot more than them. They absolutely do. The thing is that there are more of them that can do what I did. When I came along, there weren't a whole lot. They were probably like three or four. Now they got like... But I'm going to be used to receive a first and then they're tight-in-in. Yeah.

So now they just have, they have, you know, 10, 15 guys that could do what I did. Who you like that? Not the obvious ones. I like McBride from the Cardinals. I love him. I love Warren. I like Fanon. Oh, I love Fanon.

Yeah, he's growing. I like Warren from the Colts. Tyler, Coltown. Yeah. I love Lovlin. From Chicago. Lovlin, yeah, from Michigan. Yeah, yeah.

Obviously, Kittle, Kettle is probably the most complete. Kittle, my man. Being able to be able to be able to kill him. I know that archetype. Whoa. You know that archetype. And they got that one young from Oregon who liked that. It's a titan who,

I probably go first round from Oregon. He good. No, you've been, you've been to that. I really, you know, I really want, I know it's unworthodox, but I really wanted to help with the scouting. I really do. Like, I really know how to, like, like, like, because I work with our University of Maryland

with Coach Lock, y'all coach Locke and all the Terps, you know, you know what I did, but, like, I'd be around a lot. Like, and also, like, I'm, like, what I've learned is, like, these kids mental, I'd be knowing, like, oh, I know how this going to end if you don't change X, Y, Z. You know what I'm saying? So that's one of the things. I've told the ownership that with commanders, I would love to, like,

go to the senior bowl and, like, tell you what I see. Because I've been around the game, I know what's going on. Okay. You're going to take you off the team? Are you going to, you ever feel like getting back in the game in any capacity? I don't have a pay. Not even ownership, nothing. On what I'm on?

I mean, I can buy some gatorade, some toy. Minority ownership. Man, please. What you see them teams going for? Hey, listen, we're going to get these in some more stores. I'm going to make sure we're giving us some more stuff, and we're going to come circle us back later, man. We're going to sit with magic and see, hey, what's the method?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, you know, I mean, that's, I want to. I would love to do, like, minority and just, again, like, that's something that, like, I just enjoy, like, watching it. Because when I stopped playing, I was, like, kind of, I hate, I was kind of resentful to the game for, like, five, six years. But now I'm like, okay, I get it, and, like, I want to. You feel you can give something back to the game?

Yeah, like seven on sevens, he and there, talk to Tori Smith about doing some stuff around the way. Hopefully, with Snoop, I could do stuff. But, yeah, I want to do that, like, help with the commander's organization. Okay. The breakdown, where to start. I'm unthawing this heart. I never thought I used again about to lower my guard, so kill me now unless you won't. Unless you.

So, it's like a little, you know, I'm a lot of the law of my guard, so kill me unless you want to kiss. You know what I'm saying? So that's just me, like, jumping back out there, throwing myself back out there, somebody that caught my attention and, like, kind of slow things down. You know what I'm saying? Like, all right, I'm going to try this again. I know the ramifications if it don't work, you know what I'm saying? I know the ramifications if I jump out there and, like, you make me look stupid or, you know what I'm saying?

Is that why you feel it so hard to love again? Yeah, and also I'm very, I got, definitely. There's a lot of arrested development, for sure. I'm self-aware enough to know that, like, you can't put, you can't take a kid in a sophomore in college and then throw him into the music industry for 15, 20 years and I think he ain't going to have some, like, arrested development. Yeah, because he knows, he's seen things. I've seen things, and also I'm very, very immature and so much because I've never experienced certain things. You know what I'm saying?

Right. And, you know, and again, like, torn the world and seeing married women, how they, some of them have behaved. And make you just think, like, okay, you know, and don't nobody want to be on the receiving end that, like, that betrayal, you know what I'm saying? Because it hit different, it's like, one, why you do that and two, like, why you do that? You know what I'm saying?

Like, it just hits you, you know what I'm saying? So nobody wanted, I don't want to be all, because it affects your career, your job, your energy, you know what I'm saying? Don't nobody's talking about it. Nobody's talking about it. And watching us, I like to chase too much. Yeah, yeah.

That's Lee, man, that's Leon. This is words on that, but yeah, I mean. You slap with it. But everybody, I mean, well, I won't say that because I don't think, I think that chasing game is kind of like, it's, it's, it's like, it's not a, actually I don't think it should be a thing no more, man. Like, we just, we had COVID, man. We was in the house, man.

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You know what I'm saying? How about this? Do you believe women still pursue men like they once did? I don't know. That's another place. I'm kind of jaded with that. I don't, like, I don't know. You know what I'm saying?

I don't know. Because it used to be women would ask a guy out. I think I'm warped Because we're on social media I don't know Because like I remember a long time ago

I was talking to this one girl And I don't know Man I didn't think Nothing was going to happen from it But it was Whatever We're on the phone

Whatever Like third conversation She talked She brought up a bag And I'm like Oh you got me Confused with one of these They don't got

No charisma No nothing No conversation And they just They pay you in bags For your time I know No, no, you know what I'm saying?

Like, none of that on the side. And that's what I think that people think it is now. Like, these women, not, not, because that sounds very red pillish. No, we ain't doing that. But we're saying, like, like, there is, it, this seems to be, like, a certain standard. Unexpectation. People, like, base their whole personality off of, me, if I like, I'm paying for, I'm paying for, like, I'm paying for, like, but, like, you're talking about bags and all. Like, girl, you better, what?

mean like grocery bag like right because I just feel like I got way more to offer than just buying shit for someone yes and I feel like if you see me as somebody that if I come across as a guy that's just going to be buying you stuff because I got money then you're already telling me how you see this we just wasting time right and it's like some some women think that's that's the way a man can show you he with you and I just always think a way a man can show you he like you was like by liking you by you know what I'm saying by calling you when you don't expect or like treating you nice

or really being locked in on your interest or like giving you good advice or like finding you inspiration or you feel me like all that other stuff is and that's what the dating pool is

these days a lot of the time I'm not generalizing I saw a survey that said 45% of the men 18 to 25 has never asked a woman out on a date damn 18 to 25

and 25% 45% 45? 45? and that's got to be like in person because you got but i always was thinking about this like since covid like bro imagine if we was like in that age group around 2020 like formative years like yeah like we like you got you got 2020 that was that was doom 2021 was kind of 22's kind of coming back tried to break at the yeah so your your social skills are out of whack you crazy like you

You know what I'm saying? You, like, you live, you don't... You kind of just camped up with whoever's available. You really couldn't get at it, get out. There's going to be some things that it's going to be like the next couple of years. And so it makes sense why they don't really know how to, you know what I'm saying? And then also in the media, the music ain't like lover boy music for real. Nah, no, no candle lights.

It ain't no bubble bath. I'd be like, I remember being in elementary school when you had a crush that you don't even know and you think of a certain song when you see it running on the playground. I don't know what they're listening to that. Ain't no more Teddy Pete. Yeah, yeah. Nah, ain't no, ain't no, my love, do you ever.

Like, come on. Like, I mean, I'm at the dance. Just like, imagine I'm dancing with my crush. And I don't think that's happening no more. And let's blame COVID and Trump for that. So what is it about, what do you find, think, so hard? because Willow Smith, Will and Jada's daughter, she went viral since, why don't men ask women out on date?

Why are the old school where men used to walk up? I think, I don't think, I think, she's probably just saying that, but I'm sure, like, I'm sure there's this men that probably trying to holl at her that, but they probably might not be her type. She's a pretty young girl, like, she got, she got probably her picture. You got a lot of options. Yeah, and she probably just being hyperbolic, but, like, you know, maybe they, They don't know, you know what I'm saying?

Like, a lot of men are, like, yo, the fear of rejection is the thing, too. At my big age, I've been, I've been, I've been in, I've been, I've been, I've been in, uh, shy to approach a girl before, like, still, like, you know what I'm saying? That's real. Yeah, I feel like the fear of rejection that might turn you into, like, never mind, I don't like her anyway, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But Willow line, she thought, willow stop line. Because, because they probably jumped in your DMs that day, and you probably, you know what I'm saying? Maybe not what you want, but.

I don't know. You got I probably leave Calabasas or something. Tattooing a woman on you. Mm-hmm. You said, I got you tatty. Uh-huh. You got a woman's tatting on you? I got angels and stuff.

Nah, no, no, I got Mauna Luther King and Margarum. I want to get a Whitney Houston joint. No, I'm talking about... No, not specific, no. Would you do it? Yeah. You what? I live in the moment, man.

Come on. You know that's forever. Yeah. Look at Like video I don't think you got no room Go, so you ain't gonna happen I'm gonna do it

We're gonna stream it And so watching us You said epic Let's go to pairs Yep You random like that I mean you you fly by the seat of your pants Like that

Because that's like I'm trying to tell the girl Like You know like Watching us is like You know how it is man Like We got

watching us is like me and a hypothetical woman that's in our crazy business and we talk and I'm trying to navigate how we do this you know what I'm saying so you know I'm famous you famous they see it so now what right now we got to decide how we feel inside in the outcome the hard launch dopamine rush you know how that go now women come to you as a woman until you're not sure like I'm painting the picture as like how it feel like you want to go out what's your person, but you know that it's better to protect it, you know what I'm saying?

So, let's go to Paris because over there, ain't nobody watching. I mean, I know I ain't nobody, but I ain't know when they're gonna. So, you know what I'm gonna say? Yeah. So it's like, Paris,

when I go to Paris, I can hold your hand in the street. I can, you know, I can kiss you in public and nobody's gonna be, so that's, I was just trying to paint the picture down. You ever, you ever done that?

First time meet somebody, and you know, yeah, I like you. And dip? Yeah. That's rock star. Out the country? Not the country.

I'm going to say. But we might got to do it for just watching us doing it here. I ain't done it like that before, though, no. I'm a little bit more responsible than that, I'm a little bit more responsible than that. That's amused my new music

truthfully about you. You write songs about? Sometimes it hybrids of people. Sometimes it's one person. Sometimes it might be a fictional person, like from a movie. But when it's there, it's there. like you could feel it like you know what I'm saying but most of the time it's about

something or somebody but sometimes it's a little hybrid yeah because I don't want to like I don't want no smoke with nobody like well you say sometimes it's there lotus flower bomb the rumors are it's about you know no no we was real good friends and um how good we was like she's she's got a great yeah she was one of the first like uh like super like celebrity people that are like really like like with my music and I remember we performed together the VMAs you know my band was the house band for that joint we performed together and um we just got cool she put me on like because I was I was still very very very like underground and she put me on to a lot of stuff like back then like it was just cool like she put me on there

like Jivansi and she put me on the Victor and Ralph flower bomb you know what I'm saying and that's that's how that's why the opening lines go but it ain't about nobody like it ain't so y'all ain't it was no no no she that's just that's my people okay she's she's if anybody know solo they know that she's always she's ahead she's like a she thinks ahead like she's she saw what she saw with a lot of people she saw with a lot of people seeing me now back then right yeah dating celebrity or non-celebrity that's a good question um it just it varies because sometimes you like it's like dang like the non-celebrity woman is like she might be having more she might have more time on you know on her hands you know I'm

saying like she might um but also there's a there's a awareness that come with this lifestyle if you if you not if you just come around me and we already got feelings for each other but now you see how this shit is and how it's moving around it might be too much for them you know what I'm saying yeah and that you that's a whole thing or then you got the celebrity like they got money they got this they got that

but it's just like it's it's it's too much eyes it's too much it feels like a brand it feels like a brand more than a like than the union relationship so but it's fun when it's like y'all both got motion and that's that and third

um but again Like I say, it's tricky because the overlays in the industry, like, you know, now I'm probably going to know who you've talked to. You're going to if I've talked to the rooms might get weird or, you know. Would that bother you? Not me, for real. I don't care because it's like. Because a lot of guys, a lot of guys would care. That's too much because I'm like, if I can't police that, bro, like, I got too many other things to do.

Like, I can't police that. Yeah, because what, whatever, I mean. As long as they're not lying. I don't lie to me. But like, you know what I'm saying? I don't care. Like, it's not the big deal, you know what I'm saying? Right.

To me. City on fire. How you got me out the game, now you're trying to play. Yeah, man. Now, you don't got me, see, I don't cleaned up my act. I don't, I don't do that no more. I'm trying. I ain't sliding.

I ain't out, you know, I ain't doing none of that. I love my guard, and now you're going to kill. You know what I'm saying? Like, you always sit high. But, you know, the city on fires is a, like, you know, a lot. The thing about this album is a lot of people just kind of see the surface level with the song is, like, if you break down to the M5s, really like the story of an ego being broken down, my ego. Like, I'm supposed to be like, okay, somebody told me that we broke up. Cool.

Now you want to fly getting paid in a zoo, but it's cool, get your bell run. You know, like, I'm condescending. Like, we broke up, she's out with her friends, you know, and I'm looking at her Snapchat or whatever, and I see the bottles coming and, like, Like, a lot of men go through that, you know what I'm saying? And, like, dog, how we get here? How do we get here? Now you got me at the game. Now you're trying to play.

Straight shots to the face. But you're trying to chase. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've been there like that. I ain't mad. I ain't tripping. I ain't tripping. Yo, your girl in this joint, she got kind of food.

She's going crazy. She got buzzer that, what's the name at her table? All the da-da-da-da-da-da. I mean, don't you holler. I mean, don't you hold her. If you see my former people out, don't tell me. Don't you, are you on her, like, if you, you're seeing some young lady

and y'all not seeing any anymore, you go on her stores, you go on her page? I don't even, that's too treacherous. Yeah, you're asking for trouble. But in the city on fire, somebody's telling me. Yeah. You know, they're telling me that, like, they think they're doing me a solid.

And maybe they are, like, you know what I'm saying? Because everybody had been there, like, like, you know. But I'm at home playing mad at, like, I don't care, I don't care, okay, okay, and they sending me pictures. And, like, you know, the last one I said, in the last line of this song, you standing on the couch and hills. I'm watching Martin.

Sorry, I tell my head, what's up? I got a ha-ha. Because when they're telling me what's up, and then I'm sitting here and what's up on the TV, I'm like, okay, all right, cool. You go have it out. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, there's more over there? Or the rookie of the year is at her table? They all over there? They kept the club open for them. Damn. You know what I'm saying? But when it's over, it's over. Casity.

But I don't think your homies will do that if they know you're not together. Maybe you hadn't told them yet. Type shit. Yeah, maybe you haven't told them yet. Like, man, me and old girl ain't seeing each other anymore. So they figured they give you the play-by-player running down. But it's really like, bro, I ain't really need that right now.

Hey, hey, sure and the guy get behind that camera and start directing. We were talking about the, um, we were talking about that earlier today, like how, like how some of these songs come to life. Yes. And the way you, the way we just did that exchange is like, that's how healthy scripts come together. because I talked about how this four years I ain't dropped. I honestly think four years ago City on Fire would have been, everybody would have understood exactly what I'm saying, where is it going.

But I don't think, I think it's more ambiguous now when the fans in here, they'd be like, it just sounds good, O'Dill sounds good, Waleigh sounds good. Oh, well, hollah, oh, that's cool. They're not really realizing the song. It's like, yo, somebody told me that we broke up. Now you're on a flyer, getting paid in a zoo? It's cool, get your bell run.

I do this shit, but gradually. You do this for the love of the gang or to see that you ain't fell off. Like, I'm really, like, battling. Like, yo, what are you doing? How's this happening? Never mind. You know what I'm saying?

And those are real human emotions. And I don't think people really, even when I talk to fans about it, they love it, but I don't really think they all the way know, like, what, how deep, like, what we were just talking about, how deep it goes, like. For sure.

When you're going through that, like, oh, she out. I'm not even a jealous type, but I know her friends don't like me. She out. Why is it? Why is it? And they're not going to own. You know, man.

Why is it your home girl birthday every day? Oh, I'm going out, it's, it's Stacy birthday. Oh, stay with this. Ain't these Stacy birthday pictures from three months ago? Like, you know what I'm that? So it's just like the little small nuances that happen in a relationship. I just wanted, like, I wanted to highlight them in from my honest perspective. Like, whether I'm the good guy or the bad guy on the song,

sitting on fire, I'm definitely a little bit leaning to the bad guy. This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part 2 is also posted, and you can access it to whichever podcast platform you just listen to Part 1 on. Just simply go back to Club Shet Shea Profile, and I'll see you there. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is Gentleman's Cut.

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