Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Wale Part 2

Episode Date: December 17, 2025

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What you mean? Like, let's just say for the sake of argument, your boy, you know, he's in the industry. Now, y'all not cool. You don't know him like that. I mean, you know him in passing. She used to hollet at him for a minute, year. 18 months, two years. Six months in between.

They don't broke up. I think it varies. It's a sliding scale for how much I f*** with Shardy and how much, like, is that really my man's like that? Like, if I don't really know her, know her, like, that we ain't put in the time, and that's really my man's? No, no, no, no. I mean, y'all know him passing.

Watch all, man. God, come out on me. Wale! Watch all, bro. No, I'm just saying. Like, what you mean? I'm, like, because... Let's just say, okay.

How much do I know him? How cool you are? You at a war ceremony, y'all don't know him, but y'all in the same industry. You're dabbing with, hey, man, how you doing such a son? Hey, Wale, this is my girl. It's probably going to happen. Okay, this is my girl right here.

Then, they're not together. Six months later, you see her. Mm-hmm. She's five? With somebody else? No, she ain't with nobody. Uh-huh. You ain't with nobody.

Uh-huh. What time we're on? Yeah. I mean, if it's, if it's dead, it's dead. Like, I'm not, it all of it, like, it varies. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it just matters how much, am I thinking to that person when I see this person? Or can I separate the two?

I'm not going after nobody. I'm not doing it. Like, you know, but if I, like, for instance, somebody comes to my life and we start spending time and start liking each other. And then I find out you talk to X, Y, Z. Like, if X, Y, Z is not in this box of people, then. You might be in too deep. Yeah. I mentioned you, if I mentioned, that's the thing, too.

That's the, that's the real conversations, like, you know what I'm saying? You ever been fishing? What you mean? You ever go fishing, like, like, actual fish? I don't got the patience. Okay. I was going to say, I told you I stabbed the sushi, man. I don't have been got no time.

Because I was going to say, like, if you go fishing, sometimes the fish swallow the hook. So in other words, what I'm saying, sometimes you be in too deep to, like, it ain't no surface thing that you can just say, okay, that's what I'm out. That's what I'm saying. Like, like, if it's going to happen, I just need to know to know how to, like, because so if I'm locked in with somebody, I just got to know, so I know how to move. Like, I ain't, I ain't about to try to do, no, nothing over here. Okay. She come to you, she said, you know what, Waleigh, about three, four years ago, I was

hollering at your boy. Mm-hmm. You know, it wasn't no blah, blah, blah, but you know, I hollered at him for a minute or two. And, but you, that you, but you locked in. really, you really, really feel in a Walee. You're feeling like that. You're like, damn, I can see her, you know, I can see her with me, you know, that trip

to Paris, that really about, that really about her. Can she cook, this girl, hypothetical girl? I mean, maybe some oxtails or some turkey wings. Is she talented? Yeah. Is she talented? Like, does she got a passion and the talent? I don't know if she can get paid for the talent that you might be thinking about.

No, I'm talking about as a person human being. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She got talent. Yeah, yeah. Then she goes in a certain place. Like, if it's like, if it's something that you, like, a lot of that stuff, I got, you got to let it go because what's going to, like, bro, like, what, you can't talk to somebody because somebody was talking to somebody.

Like, it's even there. You can't help what you like. Yeah, if it's there, it's there because it's not. Because people ask, people ask that question, man, why athletes got to go, I mean, she dated this athlete and she dated that to athletes. And some of it is cereal, like, cereal bag chasing. Some of it. Some of it is cereal.

There's some weird, like, in the essence of, like, oh, Eskimo brothers. Like, it's a lot of stuff that's, little deviant stuff that goes on. But as far as I go, like, if I likes a mind and they bring in, like, joy to my piece to me, like, I got to let some of that other stuff go.

Like, the past, it's do be the past for real. Like, just don't embarrass me in the future. I don't know, but Wale, I look at it, like, you know, moth into a flame. He know, the mothed, how it's going to end, if it burns goes into that flame, he knows what's going to, it knows what's going to happen, right? But he can't help it. You like what you like. Even though she might have been with an NBA player or NFL player or M.

Brother, let me tell you something. Where are you going to find? Like, if she bad, I don't go, I don't go like, like, you got to be realistic of where you go. Thank you. Like, what do I tell? I can, I don't really be out like that. Like, I mean, I get paid to go to to clubs sometimes. And I, like, I got to get there. I got to. I got to. I listened to was out some time. But where I'm going to go? The farmer's market? I'm going to go see.

Like, I ain't going to. Yeah. Where I'm going to go. I guess you got to go to the yoga studio a whole food. That's what I'm saying. I can't, and I don't know. Like, I can't do. So it's like, it is what it is.

Like, where the slim pickings. So you just got, you got follow this thing right here, man. All that other stuff. But that's another reason why people keep their thing on the low. Yes. Because then it's like, you find out. Then it's like, everybody's in a hurry to tell me who they talk to. Y'all don't even know it's too.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Yes. Y'all don't know it's too late, but. That's what I was about. That's my next question. Public or private? Because a lot of times if you try to keep it, oh, you, you're trying to keep me, you don't want nobody. You know, you tried, what you're trying to do.

You're trying to hide me. Or I could be bad for somebody's brand. Yeah. Because, you know, in some circles, I'm just a rapper. Right. If some circles, like if the person isn't doing something that's like high brow, I'm just a rapper, you know what I'm saying. So it goes both ways. Like some girls might want to keep me.

a secret you know what I'm saying but I don't know um I don't know man like it's it's it's scary because it's like if you love somebody you want to experience the world with them experience like not having a duck and hide or whatever for then it's like it's so sacred to you and as soon as it's not sacred that's when things start to just like everything slowly like chip in the way chipping the way and it's like it's not as beautiful got everybody got an opinion on I remember the launch the dopamine rush because that's what that's It's it, the hard launch, the dopamine rush. You know how that go.

Now a woman coming to you as a woman until you're not sure. Because you hard launch, get the dopamine rush. Hey, sis, so yeah, I used to talk to him. He hit me up like six months ago. You feel me? Yes, yeah, absolutely. There's all of that stuff, like, you know. Oh, he was in my DM.

I try to do a grace period. Like, I'm not talking. Like, I'm literally not responding to nothing for a significant amount of time so nobody can say they've heard from me. and no capacity, you know what I'm saying? But, again, humans, we in in ALE don't want to see other humans happy for whatever reason, so, you know,

you're more private all the way. Yeah. And it's like, that shit is taboo in this city, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's kind of like and, I mean, I can hide you're like 6, 7, 3, 50, this shit like that. Excuse me, I'm saying, Shannon, he's walking in Craigs.

I try to go to, I try to go off the off-beat places. I mean, obviously, you know, you go to... Gee, the off-beat places is more, you see. Five black nigga from the South, like, shit. Shannon's shopping his joint. It can't be nobody but Shannon. Yeah, for real. So, now, I mean, you, in the perfect world, like, you know, that person can just be real,

just, like, just easy, we'll just let it, just let it, like, just, just, just, just chill. Like, I got you, like, you with me, like, I like to think that my respect level in this zone is good enough that you don't got worried. But, you know, like, women, like, you, women, sometimes they're fragile, like, they're not ready for. or the heat that come with being next to somebody like me. Like, I'm a pit bull, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, in these rooms, like, I get aggressive. I get, what?

Like, you know what I'm saying? And then she, like, not like that, you know what I'm saying? So, like, I ask myself for that all the time. How can I be happy if it's, like, private? Like, how can I be happy? Because I almost tried that a little bit. And they, like, people was like, like, it was just not a good, didn't feel good, like, to have that joint constantly under, like, scrutiny or whatever.

And it just, bro, you're not, you're not going to meet people that you really, truly love, like, that often, you know what I'm saying? So you got really, like, like, nurture that shit, man. And I don't think nurturing it and being, every time you're out somewhere, anywhere, they're going to be, like, in your fate. I don't know if that's the way to go. I agree. I had T-pain on, and I have T-Pen.

I said, what have you learned about this? What do you learn about this business since you've been in it? And obviously he went by and said, hey, nobody is your brother. Man, bro, I, I, as long as they can use you, they're your brother. I feel, T. I feel them, though, because I know what, I know what Slim been through in this jump. Like, I know what T. Payne went through, like, just being the guy everybody was getting for hooks, is there in third, and then, like, turn their back on them and stuff like that. Like, I get it.

I have similar stories, but I just, I'm not going, you know, without, it is what it is. But, like, I understood that. I know what he meant and how he meant it, because that's how the industry is. Ain't nobody really, really with you. Rocking with you like that. Man. If you can't do something for it. I'm trying to tell you, like, a lot of my friends that I consider friends, they don't, it ain't based

off how, like, hot they are at the moment or whatever. Like, you know, I got, like, niggas, like, Blackthart, Jay Cole and Young Chris, like, that I call it. that I consider friends. But not everybody is like that, though. Right. Yeah. You can't be brother, brother, brother, when it's time for a verse. I don't got, I'm not brother today.

I don't like the budget. Hey, direct deposit. Yeah. For sure. Brother. And address it as brother. Brother Wallet. Send it over to Brother Wadley.

You had Dr. Dre, J.Z, and Rick Ross's boss. What have you learned from their styles? How different are they? it's being bosses? Well, Jay was, Jay's like very, uh,

he's on it, man, like, because I had to, I had to, like, get over, like, the, the,

the, the, it took me, like, a year and a half of being around him to, like, to, like, really, like, just be regularly,

like, right. But, um, he's just savvy, bro, he know how to get in the room, you know,

and he don't really, he doesn't overly talk. He just, you know, he's very, very, like, ahead of,

he's like 10 steps ahead. Ross is different. Ross, he gets his hands dirty. He go in the field, bro. And one thing people don't understand about Fat Boy is he will over-deliver. Any company that he worked with, he taught me the art of over-delivering, like, oh, I'm going to do this for this company, and he's going to overdo it. And then be like, yeah, boss, what's up? And then they're going, you know what I'm saying?

He just, he's like, he's different. He get his hands dirty. he do what he got to do and all his businesses work out you know what I'm saying Draven was silent I haven't really met him but I know his business how he worked like he's he's

behind the scenes he's cooking up stuff with Jimmy Avine they got their thing locked in but I wish I was a better business man I just be super into the art but this past year I got with EQT out of my hometown I've been like leaning more into

being a better business man now Is it true Jay-Z call you After Complex left you off the top 50? What do you say? Did he? Where do you see that? He might have, man. Let me see. Can I Google that?

I got to Google my own lawyer sometime. I know I pissed him off a couple times. What the hell you do? I've just been young talking too much. Said something stupid, somebody. And then he just was really giving me the cold shoulder for like, like three-fourths of the blueprint three-tall. making your idol

disappointing to you is a crazy feeling and being on this tour opening up for, yeah but yeah a lot of people call me with that complex thing that's part of my own villain art like

media man you and Kendrick are really close y'all prank call each other well him and Q did a couple times when I was a long many moons ago but yeah like I remember, I can't really say

what they were saying because it involves somebody, but they were just saying it just, I don't know. That's when this shit was real fun though, like, they not, bro, that's why I'd just be like looking at all this stuff. I'm like, bro, you don't understand, like, when we all got to start knowing each other, they're just funny, bro.

Like, I don't think people understand like, they take this music stuff like, bro, we come from environments where we join on each other, we play around, like those dudes they always was just funny as hell to me all the time. And you can even see how Mac Miller, like, how they embraced him or whatever. They just, they just

funny. And I, that's the one thing. I just wish it was a little bit more like that. But, them niggas, they're doing good, though. Yeah, I see, I like, they're doing real good. See, you're in the old school, so you used the word Joni. Yeah, that's what we say with HBCU, we just, oh, man, cut out of that Joni, man,

that's all you want to do. Yeah, that's, D.C. brought that day. I just want you to know we made that. Hold on how you figure? Man, we joan, man, we can find out. We can find out, but I can, we'll know by the time this come out with Joan and was started in D.C. All right. When you have somebody on a song

and they diss somebody on your soul I don't think that, I don't think that ever happened. Push your teeth, dis a drink on a while they saw. Was it? Was it a, is that fact? Does it say that on jeans? I don't know. I ain't, I ain't, what do you say?

What was the line? It was on your song? That's not a warlike song. Oh, and Elwood's song. Oh, well, Ant put it together. I mean, I didn't know. Nah, see, look, this was going to happen.

Nickleck, he knew. But I ain't, I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't your song, you have to be honest. I didn't hear, I didn't hear his verses until it came out. The song came out. Is that, because I, oh, I talked to Khalid. And when he, like, what was that? He had Jay-Z, he had Little Wayne, and I think he had Ross. I think those were the three on that song.

And I asked him, I said, like, when you put guys like that together, do you let the other person hear the voice? I mean, hear the verse. Well, a lot of us in the rappers, rappers, rap society of rappers, we a lot of times we don't hear, we don't send our first over. They might just send the hook. It depends on your relationship with the artist. Sometimes if you're keeping this sport, you don't hear each other joint.

But I believe. When we did Power Circle, that was a record where everybody was on there. Me, Kendrick, Gunplay, Stiley, yeah, we was all on there. And I ain't hear nobody verse. Right. I ain't hear nobody verse. I was like, yo, boy Kendrick went crazy on that shit. Boy Kendrick went crazy on it.

He was like, all I'm going to say, but I ain't hear nothing. But you know as a rapper, like I got to come with my shit. I come with my shit, I'm saying. If you were to hear somebody burst, they go crazy. You're going to re-record yours? I'm trying to think if I've done that. My spidey senses are telling me I've done that, but I can't think of it. I know a lot of people, other people have done that.

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I don't think nobody gets, it never be working out like that. like where I can hear somebody's verse. Nah, I don't think I rewrote my jump. Where are you at rappers suing rappers? Would you sue somebody? I guess the business is business, I guess. I mean, if you got that real issue, like, I mean, she, I'm suing the tour bus company right now, man.

They got a lot of the hundred bands messing with their ass, but, nah, I don't know, man. I don't think I have the organizational skills to do that. I mean, like, yo, why are we on the phone? I don't, I need to go to the studio. Right. I don't, you know what I'm saying? But if something go, if something go crazy.

That is deserved that, yeah, maybe. But take your ass to court. Yeah. I feel, I think I would feel crazy doing it, but yeah, I get it. What about this TikTok trend? They ask, what would Wale say? Mm-hmm. How did that, I mean.

That's funny, man. Because it's just like, I'd just be talking for real. Like, I don't be, I don't be thinking that it's like something so crazy. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't be, like, in a the source saying, like, yo, let me just, let me use a, uh, blow V8 in the word, like, you know what I'm saying? I just be trying to take myself somewhere and just start talking, but it's good to be, to be, like, people to see me of that. Because I, like, what are we without our words in this hip hop shit? Like, what are we without our words, like, or our pens?

Like, that's all it. Like, I'm not no singer, you know what I'm saying? So for people acknowledging that, that's good because I grew up in a house where English, wasn't my parents' first language, and I was in county-mandated programs my whole life. So for me to do so much and make so much off the English language is God's work, for real. Is there a song that you turned down, you wish you hadn't? I heard LMA boot out early, early, I think, with a... a gentleman at Atlantic.

I heard it. I was like, I always think of it because they wanted a verse on it. Way, like, a year before, I think he came out. But that one is probably the only one. And then I did have a verse on Miguel's How Many Drinks. And they just went in another direction. But those are the two pie. Do you write for other artists?

Do you like it? Sometimes. Sometimes. when they pull it off the right way you know sometimes you write it and they don't come they don't sing it like you read it like you wrote it yeah yeah it boost my ego though I ain't gonna lie

would fans be surprised at some of the songs that you've written? Yes what really? Yeah damn of course but if you really paying attention if they really really pay attention you could see in my whole catalog

that I got so many different styles that I've been I've been leasing them styles out for at least seven, eight years because you, Lady Gaga, Megyn, Miguel, Chris Brown, Gucci, Wayne, Nikki, Usher, Sizer, T. Payne, Travis Scott.

So when you go, so when you go in the studio. Do you say Rihanna? I didn't say Rhee. Oh, okay, Rie, Ree, I just want to make sure. No, you, I put, hey. Robin, Fenty is The National Treasure

And she's not even from here Yeah So when you're going to a studio Obviously you're going in there Because, you know Lady Gaga is very different than Meg. Meg is very different

than Miguel Who's very different than Gucci and Louie And then Nick is different to Usher And Silsa is different than Riyadh So when you go into the studio

Swissami Knife, baby Yeah, I see Swasami Knife Yeah And I come from just Understanding like all genres All styles

and like taking like really understanding like the artists in like the space that you went you know that that's all that like my father used to drive calves man so I would be in the front some days and just be listening to everything like whoever's getting in the car could be a politician or a crackhead like this is this is 80s 90s DC like I see all put this on put this on and I hear and then when they sent me to that school I had to go an hour each way to school every day so I was listening to everything you could think of growing up. So I can adjust. I can do a song with Jelly Road. I can do a song with Baby Teeth, do it. I can do a song with No Savage in D.C. I can do a song with Midland or, like, you know, Shibuzi. You know what I'm saying?

If music is music. You ever get nervous? Yeah. Yeah, sure. interviews I get nervous interviews I get nervous

when I gotta do it like when I when I'm about to go on stage I get a little nervous I think that's part of it though Is it? Yeah Are you going to be concerned

when you don't get nervous huh? Well you think you'll ever You think there'll ever be a situation Sometimes when I'm like When I'm like when I'm like when I've hit a certain stride on tour When I can literally do like the whole set forward backward without even thinking, I don't really get as nervous. I think I have some of the best ideas when I get like that.

But I do, I'll be nervous sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Most of the time it's always nerves. You got an opportunity to work with Jerry Sampel, which is very different. What was that experience like? I mean, I knew it was an important thing. It was going to be great culturally, but I was so in the moment in the music that I wasn't really thinking the levity would have years. later but uh comedians the good ones are just just just just modern philosophers man like

you know what I'm saying like they just they they speak in riddles and in in humor but there's a lot of philosophy in it and uh the juxtaposition of a over-analytical cynical like uh jewish man like living his life like you know what I'm saying all he's done and then you got just young kid from D.C., Nigerian, in the music industry that grew up on go-go and, like, all this stuff. Like, what's the middle ground? Like, where do we meet as human beings? You know what I'm saying? Like, middle finger, you leave me alone. Everybody felt like you leave me alone. You know what I'm saying? What's a guy smile? Like, sometimes it feel like the guy shine on you. Like, there's, there's things that he says in his stand-up or on that show that can relate to the

common man. And that album was about finding that. middle ground of like some of the things he said and then the way i am and where how we meet in the middle what's hard of getting a audio from a tv show or your music or music getting something cleared jerry made that that whole thing it was easy like i ain't gonna lie i thought about doing either one more time they always like do it because it'll be the fourth one if i did it but i'm just like man i don't know if we can even capture that lightning in the bottle Again, and then I thought about doing it with Larry David, but I'm like, I don't know, would he get it, or whatever,

or is it the moment past? But I will say Jerry got all them samples cleared from NBC. He hit them, like, by himself. So if I can get that, something like that again, I might do it. But that was pretty much impossible to do. He did it. You're the first rapper to open the state of the union. How did that opportunity come about?

Michelle. No, she was cool, man. Both of them was just cool. It was just, like, having, like, some aunts and uncles down the street when they was there. But I forgot how that happened. But I was just cool with the Obama's, like, you know, I just, you know, I performed at,

I think I might have been, like, the first rapper to perform there on another thing. And then I think I heard about the State of the Union, like two days before it was. they asked me to do it and yeah that was a that was a moment I missed those bonds

it was so simple back then man yeah well what about in 20 what 28 what is it we get a

we get a former first lady Michelle to run I don't think she want that smoke man she looks happy man she your hug Craig doing the pod yeah man

and she's just fun man she not she not like nah man like I just feel Nah, I wouldn't even want that for, like... That's all it goes. I want that for, I'm probably, but that's selfish, like, you know, she was a light in that place, though, for sure.

Yeah. Your catalog. Would you sell your catalog? Man, we're trying to get this team. If we're going to get this team, maybe I might have to. We might have to do that, man. So give me your best offer. Because I'm just, all I'm doing is make a couple, like, a gazillion more records anyways.

But it got to be right, though. It got to be right. They got to be right, because I just know all the work that I put in. Right. You know what I mean? I could because it's business, you know what I'm saying? But we'll see. What do you think the biggest difference is making music when you first started

as opposed to making music today? It's harder right here. It's harder now? Yeah, I was telling me, I thought it would be easier. I tell a lot of my friends, like, or people that come to me for advice, Like, I was talking to black, six slacks, but black, but I was just telling them, like, yeah, because you tell me about the album, and I was like, yeah, man, like, I appreciate it. This shit get harder every year, though.

You know that, so it's good to hear from when you drop your project, because, like, it does get hard every year. It don't, it don't, well, in my style of rap, like, there's certain types of genres inside hip-hop that it's not really that hard, like, but this style, like, it's, you know, it's harder every year, like, music changing. A lot of people ain't lyric based, a lot of, you know what I'm saying, so it get harder area yet, because I'm not switching my thing up to fit no trends, but I'm also pushing my creativity.

So I want to get, I want to learn a new skill area album, and I've been successful in that so far, so I might be running out of stuff to learn. Anything you regret thus far about your career? I probably, I don't know, because like, you know, you know, our transgressions is what makes us, but I probably, like, a couple of, like, my little Kirk-out moments probably could have taken to, I wish I could scrub from my stuff. Right.

Yeah, like, probably the complex stuff, stuff like that. A couple runninges with some, well, those had to happen. But, yeah, well, I think I just, you know, a couple of, like, the little outbursts, I would say that, but not really, I mean, I'm here, I'm doing, on great, the albums doing good. I'm happy where it's at. I don't know what I could have changed.

What have you learned about money? Man, it's shit hard to keep. Slippery. Man, I ain't never, like, money don't really move me like that. And it's really strange because it's like it just don't really move me. It don't really like, I don't operate off like the back, the back, the back. But I did say, hey, you know what, like some of your goals that you put. for yourself if these things aren't realistic no matter what you do maybe you should put your

focus on running your bag up like if you're not going to get some of these accolades or these things that you trying to that you put on your your checklist it can't happen no matter what maybe you focus on the bag so that that's something that i'm willing to like explore but it will never be at the mercy of my integrity or my artistry you know right yeah What's your dumbest purchase? What's the thing you look back on? Like, man, I ain't even need this. I should never.

Oh, man. I've made a lot of, like, purchases out of, like, just being mad. But if I purchase something and regret it, I'll force myself to, like, use it or, like, put it to work. So maybe when I bought my father that car and he shipped it to Nigeria immediately, I was like, I thought that was for you. You know what I'm saying? That might be it. I might a, I might a, uh, but I'm actually, I'm actually quite,

I, I, I, I, buy a lot of clothes. I mean, like, way too much. But now, I ain't nothing really, really crazy that I bought. I'm like, I shouldn't have done that for real. Fame versus Rich. Which one I prefer? Yeah. Fame.

That's a four-letter word around these parts. Damn, fame. Fame, man. I don't need fame, man. Like, I like the... They say fame and fortune, give me the fortune, keep the fame. Yeah, yeah, give me the fortune, keep the fame, yeah. I can't, because it's like privacy and like...

Yes. The quality of life, and like, you know, again, like I told you, like, there's like small things in my life I ain't really experienced because of fame. Like, I can't, you know, go to the grocery store from my mother in their neighborhood, I can't, like, just go walk in certain areas or willy-nilly. Like, you know what I'm saying?

That's not fun. Seeing a lot, like, seeing your friends get gunned down and it's on Instagram. Like, you just was on the phone with them last week. Right. That's fame right there. That's fame on both sides. The Kassanette, you turned that into a switch deal. Yeah.

No. But if it were, if you like it, I love it. Switch to a deal. Were you, look, and I get it. And I said, I was a recovery. Um, I had a situation where I was hosting the, uh, the daytime Emmys. Okay. And that was like, you know, when I was, we were growing up, it's only a handful of sitcom.

It's only a handful of shows you had to know. Yeah. Now with, with Amazon and with Netflix and all these shows, man, they got a thousand shows. There's too many shows, bro. And, you know, they, they sing your little book and you got to like, who's going to be, who's nominated and all that. And you interview them. And a lot of times, they gave me, like, they gave me sick. Give them credit.

They gave me six weeks. But you try to, like, recognize somebody on, like, if it's football, if it's basketball, sports, I'm good. That's me. That's my genre. They be looking the same. They'll be looking the same. You ain't going to say it. You ain't going to say it.

They're looking the same. They say we do anyway. So, I look. But I get it, though, because I'm very, I'm, like, notorious for not remember. I'm like, I'm not good. Bro, I've been doing, like, the music business is like this, bro. I don't remember people like. And then a lot of people take offense to that

So I get it a little bit Yeah I did play in the celebrity game With him the year before But He didn't remember Man, well, that's cool You gave, I mean

Couldn't you give him A little grace to man, 20? That's the thing Now you got me I'm rolling up my sleeve No, but um He's 20 Y'all acting like he was born

Like two days ago Okay, look All right, so I got to be super careful Because these ns is cold-blooded, man I was like, I was upset for like five days in a row. So when he's talking about mental health at the stream awards, I'm like, yes, yes, yes, mental health. You get it now.

Imagine giving your life to this game and then you go to the awards to just support the culture that you've been a part of for 13 years. And then somebody who asked you to play a video, like, ask you, yeah, yeah, let's play one day. Like, because you saw them last year. And then you go online and everybody's like, yo, because it's not, he didn't know who you're. was that was funny and you in a room full of your peers right and I was like wait let me go hollering real quick and through my vantage point I'm just like yo that look crazy I mean that made me look crazy bro like but I think the way that people saw it's like yo gosh it out like you I'm 20 year old like you feel me like that's what they're acting like I did and I'm like yo

I'm just saying you made me look crazy Like, I don't, I'm, I feel like, uncomfortable in this room with like, I'm like, at that moment, I'm like, damn, everybody making me the bid on, on, on the internet just because I was like, you know, like, just because he didn't, no, it was just, I was just, I was just confused. and then when they said I pressed them I was like oh so that means I gotta leave like I gotta go I gotta go to my hotel for like a couple days like it was just it was like not that I didn't

I don't expect nobody I introduced myself at my meet and greet sometimes like that's how I move like I don't be like you got to know who I am it just something seemed like it was a little bit like downplaying a little bit and in the moment I'm like you think I know I'm looking at the kid on the cover of these magazines and I'm like it looked like how I dressed when I first got like when I first

started like I'm like I could see my influence on you daily like like like you're saying so I'm not saying I influenced you but I I definitely the your stylist got me on his vision board yeah so and I'm thinking like that I'm like bra I just didn't like how I felt in the moment I'm like yo bro I'm come we come here to celebrate the culture and I'm looking at all these people like yo he doesn't know who you are so funny and I'm watching all these people are awards. It just was like, let me say something for our role. And they took it as me pressing the young and out. And I'm like, bro, I got PTSD. I can't even look at them little cameras no more. I start sweating when I see them joints. I'd be looking to everybody. Anybody that has

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stream and talk about the generational divide and like how that happened and like you know just have conversations around the how these the generations go because it's like it's a deep conversation we can have and I've been dying to have that on stream with like like a like a like a the right people of both sides of the culture because I mean he's he's been he's accepted a role whether he really planned or not to be one of the voices in hip hop you know whether you like stuff or not like we still got to preserve the the culture you know what I'm saying the guys who came before me the JZs the JZs like the ludicrous is like you know like we preserve the culture we preserve you know what I'm saying it's not like oh oh you're older before like you feel me so that was that's

what that was about I wish I would have handled it differently but at the same time I definitely thought it could be a teachable moment for because a lot of A lot of the artists that come from my, they don't know how to interact with y'all. Because y'all act like y'all don't like nothing that don't sound a certain way or whatever. Like, y'all like hip-hop for a certain other reason. So some of them don't know how to talk to them.

And some of them is like, oh, we getting money. We don't care about what y'all guys say. So, you know, the goal after that was to have a teachable moment, but we couldn't get a comment from a guy. So, yeah. Well, shout out of them now, man. You know, I need you to help me clear up something. Because I hear a lot of

black American have beef with Africans. And y'all got a lot of beef with us. Now, what's really going on Wally? Who's y'all got beef with who? The Africans, the Nigerians. Africans got beef with me, too. I had an Ethiopian driver cussed me out

the other day. Africans always beef with somebody, but I don't you got to understand like why y'all were in the same boat? I don't know. You're an agent? Huh? That's something that an agent was safe, man. I'm not saying him.

You're saying him. I know who said it. You ain't going to say that person. Listen, listen, I grew up in D.C. When Marion Berry was the mayor. Then I lived in Maryland where it was all Spanish people in Cubans and my, like I'm saying, in Jamaicans. And so, like, my upbringing, we need an African family in the building. or two more Africans in the building

and we all go outside play football together we all go outside play for the football team together play for the basketball team they all go to the school together we stick together in our neighborhood you know we go to other niggas neighborhoods

we chipped like I that that thing that whole thing never existed in my world ever you know what I'm saying I never really got it because I'm like bruh I've been my first time I get arrested

it was a trespassing joint being in to my neighborhood But we're all black, it's all six black kids. They're locking us all up. Like, they're not, they, the white boy that was there just walked the way. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're six. So I don't, I, my, my experience is just like, bro, like, you know, a little bit of shit,

little giggles on the first day of school when they can't pronounce my name, right? And a little bit of jokes here and there. But it wasn't, I ain't never seen that until like, like, COVID. I'm trying to you COVID did this shit, man. That would call me when locked the daughter's He's like The Africans don't fuck

Well that's what you mean Bro The diaspora is so It's such It's such a nuanced thing bro you know Like bro Like we are together in this

Like When when When Rihanna Get a number one record And they're playing it everywhere And it's like That's a win for black

culture That's a win for black people Yeah I don't look at a black I don't look at a Bahamian Yeah And it's like We black Like you know what I'm saying

That's how I look at it And then also like, bro, you go to, you go to, you go to, you go to, you go to, you go to, you go to HBC, you, you, you're there with your, you play football, you're there with your people. Yeah. That's your people. Yeah. You know what's your people. Like, it ain't know nothing. And I mean, people are going to say what they're going to say, but you just look at the source and look at how they, look at how the conversations are and see it.

They never, they always seem to be malicious or like, like, like charged up without, like, unprovocally charged up. And, um, that's, it worries me a little bit, but when it comes to that, Brad, like, I don't look at it like that, bro. Like, I've seen people saying, oh, why, why is Demp's interest getting his role and Idris out, but they're Africans? And I'm just like, so you think that some casting director just got, just booked them because they're African, like, like, they all, everybody probably tried out for it. They probably knocked it out. Like, I don't, I never understood the division. But my logic is telling me that, like, okay, what's the one way we can get this shit, we can get shit cracking for real? If we turn more black people against more black people, against more black people, you know,

like, you got to think about that, bro, like, I've never physically seen somebody being like, oh, I hate black Americans. Like, I've never even seen that in real life. that joint came from right there with the nigga that kissed the monkey and started COVID or a bat all that. That came

with a heavy batch of division amongst black people. Like, you feel me? Like, black folks make the world go around. You know what I'm saying? We got hip hop. We got Afrobeats. We got reggae. We got soul food. We got Caribbean food. African food.

Like, rock and roll. You know what I'm saying? Like, The drums, the talking drum. All these things, like, bro, like, it's all one thing. Yeah, I even had some foo-foo-hoo. Yeah, you had some foo-hoo. And Vegas, right? Yeah.

I'll be watching, see. I'll see y'all, see everything, man. But, yeah, you probably not dreams, man. You got the, like, the bulky. You got your lineage as Yorbaugh, probably, man. Probably. Yeah, I'm like the only Yorbaob, I'm like the only one of my families that's small like this, but, yeah. I'll probably be one.

I'll probably be evil. You think so? I get a little Ike Chuku vibe from him like a little in TK I get a little Ameca Vives from you Is it true Ray J got upset with you He couldn't be on the Baltimore show I was unfortunate

Man I think people don't realize like My show That's our annual gift that week Hopefully we should If you guys can do a pod or something That would be great because we're trying to do more on sports but it's like a whole thing in dc we do stuff with the

community you know i do something with the commanders have a football camp then i do an art thing with the kids doing painting uh shoes then we do a poetry joint for like a lot of the spoken word artists sometimes i open mic then the grand finale is the walea show um it's a stressful day for me it's a stressful week for me and my album came out that day correct very stressful nobody you can't the stress is on 10 um i'm performing new songs i'm trying to remember summarize them joints. It's a different venue I've never done before. Backstage is kind of crazy.

I went backstage to change, to change, outfit change. We brought out Lloyd, who the band knew his songs, and they added Mario, I think, the day before. So in my mind, I'm like, yo, I don't want to take too long away from the crowd. Like, change, let Lloyd do two, let Mario do one or two. Lloyd did a little bit longer. Mario did like five songs. five songs. So in my mind, I'm like kind of having a little anxiety like, yo, am I losing

my crowd and like what's going on? And then like my, so it's like, I'm changing. I'm like, I'm like, like my stylist is like giving me like I'm putting my pants on and shit. I'm like, I'm like trying get right. Get my mic on and stuff. And then like they're like, yo, Ray J trying to perform. And like I was just so what? Like what you mean? Like I'm here Mario in the background and I'm like, yo, you know, since time. And they're like, yeah, Ray J. I'm like, bro, it's my show. We've been rehearsed for two weeks. So, I mean, I was like, nah, no, no.

I got to get back on stage. And then apparently he got mad about that. But, I mean, they didn't have nothing to do with me. I was just doing my show for the people that paid for the show. And I had been, like, offstage for like 40 minutes. So I had to get back to work. If I had one wish, that wouldn't have happened. All right a minute.

That's all you did. Let's get something that you really like talking about, sports. The commanders, they used to be named the redskins. You had to change. You had to get rid of the chain, but you still got it. You can't ride it? Shit, I almost wore it today. We're going to be going to be red skin or red skin.

I'm getting a bigger one soon. Once we get all my, our liquor company, once me and Shanning shit, because we get, I might get this, I might get this zone on my jump. Shake shit, Jane, with the red skin Junk going back and forth. Y'all going to get a new stadium. What's the name of the stadium? Man.

Because we know the name, we know somebody that wants to put their name on the stadium. Phelarine Stadium. While they Flaarine Stadium got a ring to it. Yeah. I think we should call it that. Now, it's going to be R.F.K.

No. It ain't going to be. It's tritted toward the president's name, but not R.F.K. I don't know, man. I don't know. Mary and Barry Stadium. She is a legend where we're from.

Absolutely. He's a legend. Jen. He's the people's champion. I voted for Murray and Burry Stadium, man. Magic Johnson is won everywhere. The Dodgers won again. He won when he was a player. And look at us.

He won as a player with the Lakers. He won as an owner-exec at the Lakers. He won as an exec of the, what is that? The, what is the Sparks, the soccer team? If Magic Johnson... He's twisting the knife right now, y'all. Y'all going to win.

I get it, man. It's just a matter of time. Yeah, we got some things that we got some... I was always. worried when they was just like getting too many like he tried to do that one year deal thing again I think we should have been putting people in place like you know like the whole thing like too many like like like cusp guys that are barely in a he got DJ I feel like he got too many of those I'm going to be familiar with this player type guys like and AP got a lot of the 49ers

guys there like I don't think we just went about it right but I think we'll bounce back and You can't, you can't, you can't, like, prepare for the amount of injuries we got. No, all y'all got to do is if Jaden stays healthy, y'all gonna be, y'all got something. Jaden needs, Jaden needs. He got to get in the weight room. He needs it. Jadden's stronger than the, look. Jadden's stronger than he. He, not, he gained like 15. You got to ask Javon. Javon, his father, he knows what the weight there. He broke it down to me what the weight he think Jaden should be playing at, but I just think he needs somebody, you need some people to

throw it, too. I don't, I'm not. Did that Terry McClure? Yeah, but Terry was hurt for most of the year. You was. You know? And also, like, for Terry, I don't think we've ever seen Terry's full form because he's always been the one A, like, there's never been nobody on the other side. For real, that was really cutting up.

We ain't never had nobody really, really twitchy since, like, Santana. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I think Jaden need one of them, like, one of them, like, Malik neighbors type. Yeah. Because they're talking about the Johns might get, uh, Cardinal Tate. Now they're going to have two. They're going to have three crazy receivers.

We don't even have, like, he have no passing game for real. What are your thoughts on Shador? He's been named to start. He's been named the start for the rest of the season. That's one of his best games. That's one person I don't know personally. I never met him.

But I root for that, I root for that boy like family for real. Because, like, I get it. I get it. He'd been in front of that light this whole time. He the youngest boy. You know, pops was a, you know, I got pop shoes on right now.

These samples, too, by the way. This is from like... The O.G. You got the... He's from, like, 90-something. You know, I do it. Oh, you got the Ridgels? He's a Virginal Jones.

He's from like 90... You see it? Look, I did that for prime. I know he's watching. But now, should do it? Like, Brad, you got, man. Like, just, just... Okay, cool, whatever.

Like, devil's avid. Y'all could do that. Yeah, he was flashy. He had the big chain. And da-da-da-da-da. Whatever. They saying, oh, a lot of us, us, well, we're trying to...

We're just sticking up for him. He's not that good. So now y'all gaslighting us Just think that what we saw with our own two eyes In Colorado for two years You're making us see Like that's not good enough That didn't happen

That's not good enough to get drafted High than the field around Okay so you did that cool, whatever We let us laugh All right You're going to put them on a team With another rookie quarterback That's first of all

That's like bad management Of a football team Wasting the draft pick on two court Cool, whatever We see him doing an eye In the preseason Y'all say Nah

It's still not him you're traded flaco right then then uh then uh who was uh somebody else and then it was like y'all y'all really tried not to ice this guy so now you're really making this seem like brad he must be a bum at practice or something like he must be stinking it up how can he ain't get no shot so he get a shot and like all of a sudden people is open that they ain't been open before and all of a sudden there's a spark the team with a little bit of peppin they step yeah and it's 10 to two degrees out there and he bray they think they Well, they muffed the punt, they did all this other stuff.

Br, like, so with all that information, and then these guys get on the goal line, y'all go to Wildcat, again. Enough, like, enough. You ain't about to play in our face that much. Because, you know, they're a gaslight. You'd be like, oh, well, you know, when did we start doing Wildcat again? Have you ever seen Quinshawn Judge games run Wildcat at Ohio State? Well, no, no, I mean, but my thing was the only problem that I have with it in that situation.

you got a quarterback that has a hot hand. You're going to ring him in to a running back who's the pitcher to a wide receiver and he's going to throw it. Not the quarterback that got 364 yards at that time. The touchdown pass was a perfect, literally perfect path. That's like Steph Curry hitting the three,

it don't hit nothing. And then you take him out of the game. Like, you feel me? He's in his bag. His teammate, the synergies did. Nah, we're going to run with Ken Sean in the Wildcat. Come on, man. I think maybe, I don't know.

Maybe he know he's not going to stay there. He's just trying. But I'm just glad he's handling it like that because he letting it play out the way it is. And I'm glad Prime showing up when he can. And it's like, bro, see what that family been through and, like, all that. Like, I don't care what y'all got against Dion, bro. Like, he is a present father. And he was a big part of a lot of our lives.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Any man, like, around my age, like, he's a part of this football thing. Like, I won number two because of him. You know what I'm in the bandana or anything So bro, like I'm always going to root for them And to see somebody get like They try to humble you like that And to see them do what he do like, bro

Cleveland need that man That city needs something like that You um Did you almost get into a fight with an eagle fan? Man they just do what they was doing too much I was leaving What were they doing? Whipping our ass

But first one wasn't doing enough The Sequin Run really broke me But like I was like You know, cool. Oh, this was the playoffs. Yeah. This was, we was leaving. I was leaving, you know, I was trying to make my flight, and I'm beat traffic.

We was already losing, and I knew I wasn't going to be able to see nobody. So I was leaving, and then somebody was like, oh, well, they, y'all lost. I'm like, okay, okay. Ha, ha, who do you? Yeah, y'all lost. I'm like, yo, what's up, man? Get out of my. And it was one of those.

Like, bro, okay. And I'm already mad. We, you know what I'm saying? We lost like that. So he's one game waiting for the damn soup, bro. But yeah I wasn't going to fight no fan If they swung

This is another story But yeah Katie You think Kady You're going to win a championship In Houston Can he win a championship Outside of Golden State

Yeah I think he can I think he can Okay She's just scary though Like I don't know Oh man They didn't

What was a dude You put you put What are you And they young And they got so many Picks bro Oh my God They still got pics

Man I don't know Man Something got happen man I don't know what's going to happen I don't know

because they can just do this for like a couple more years but I do think a Western finals with OKC and Houston that's that's that's that's So what the Lakers are going to do?

I don't know man how much more honey you've got left for the goat how much more honey you got Luca going to give us 30 AR played Austin Reeves played out of I think if Brian get to the playoffs, healthy, it's going to be some furniture movement.

You know what I'm saying? It's just about that team staying healthy. But I think Katie got a real shot at it. But the West is just so tough. The Nuggets. I know. OKC, the Lakers. Don't sell the Timberwolf short.

Yeah, no, I don't think this day yet is right now, but I think Amman going to get at least two of them joints, for sure. All right, let me get you this. Sneakers. What's the best sneak all time? It changes for me. This used to be my favorite. Okay, the Diameter.

Yeah, Diameter 2's used to be. But it really varies for me, man. I don't, I'm not as any as I used to be. But there's probably some variation of the phone posit max. A phone posit? Phone posit max, yeah, the Silver Tim Duncan joints. That's probably my... Is the best, is the greatest sneaker all time?

Yeah, I was one, like, whenever I got to pick one, I don't normally go over the, over the, the, the air, the ones? Well, that wasn't our thing in D.C. Jordan's. Yeah, we like J's. But my personal favorite, like the phone positive Mac, this is silver, has got the air bubble on it. It was the time, like, it's my nostalgia factor, but, and also it hasn't been on the market in a long time, so I still, you know. But it's probably that. Or if I could probably say Jordan, it probably be like.

the threes or like the aqua eights or something like that i like i can see i can see the threes i like the threes the leavens levens when he came out with the leavens it was on when he came when he came out with the concord it was crazy it was crazy and then he came right back with the breads yeah the black ones man that was dangerous around that time they was they was knocking shit down for them joining for sure did the space jam he just kept it going then he came i'm about skip school i skip school the bottle of space jams. I remember that day.

Yeah. Nah, not. You know, I think that, like, the shoe game is a little different. It's just a little oversaturated. Yeah. A little, but that's why, like, what I like is a little different now.

Like, I love, like, you know, I love my SB Nikes and stuff like that. Oh, so you're a dunk guy now? I've been collecting dunk for, like. Being a parent is basically a juggling act. Dinner, hockey practice, homework, a last-minute science project, and someone's always, always, shouting for you from another room.

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Man, you know, did you see the price of anything? You ain't tried to pay that all, you, Wiley? I don't think I'm going to have to. You will have to? I don't think I'm going to have to. Oh, okay. I don't think so. Who knows?

Hopefully they're retro on. No, I don't think they will. I don't think they're going to retro on them. But, you know, that was a great time. And, like, just like the silver box, that's bees. And that was a great time. It ain't like that no more. You got the, you got the Krugas?

No, I ain't get the Krugus. They're dumbed them in it. They're like a thousand of them joints. A lot of the ones people got is fake, but I like them joints. They kind of grills. Yeah, I got pigeons. They got pigeons.

They lost sold. I got a day. Yeah, those probably like my hot tides. Those probably like some of my favorite ones. Supreme Lows, the Red Supreme Highs. That's kind of my way. But, yeah, most of my dunctions. You still got, you still, you still, a sneaker hair?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I might, that business might have jaded me a little too much. But I like sneakers, though. You like sneakers or you like clothes better? It's all the same. I think it's the same.

When it was sneakers overclothes, I think that was sneaker hair. I just like, it's all the same now. Okay. I'm going to love this. You got to pick a shoe. All right. Kyrie or KD's. Which ones?

Kyrie or KDs. In general? Yep. Man, the Nikes, the Kyrie Nikes was the best, to me, it's still the best, the old Karinik is the best hoop shoes to actually run up and down the court, but the 6th is, the KD, 6th is the, the Galaxy joints and the Aunt Pearls and all that. I think I'm going to get Katie to nod. The Easters?

Okay, you go on Katie, Ant-Mans or Shays? Ant-Man's. Dame Lillers or Jason Tatum? That's close. I got one pair of Tatum. that I really like. But Dame got some good colorways on this year. I'm going to say Dane by Tiny Bed.

Okay. The Jaws or the books? Jaws. I'm not a fan of the books. I'm just like, like, oh, vanilla wafers. A.I. or Ewing's? A.I.

Colby's of LeBron. Recipe tomorrow, but I'm going to go, Brian, because them sevens, eights. That was a moment. Ooh, the South Beach. Yeah, man. Yeah. Okay.

You got Asia Wilson's, Sabrina Nescu, or Angel Reese? I mean, I'm wrong with Angel all the time, but I do love Asia's shoes, though. But I'm just going to ride with. Oh, bad. This is the hardest one. This is the hardest one. The Dions, the Bowls, the Mike Vicks. I'm going to go.

I'm going to go. Like, because people are not real- Over the Bo Coast Taylor? I'm gonna tell you why because the Bo Jackson's, they would come out every two years. When Prime was not, when Prime was not, when Prime, that low, around, that time that he left the NFL and he went to Under Armour, you wasn't seeing no, no, no, no, no.

These were nowhere we found, so you could see these now. But these were like a myth, like until, that's why I was watching that when he got to Colorado. I'm like, is he about to do it? Is he about to go back there? Is he about to go back to Nike? And when he went back, yeah, so, yeah, I'm going to say the Deons because the domitur ones was like that.

And just the lore behind it. Yeah. Like the Andre Rosen fight and the pick six. Yo, that's like an iconic, like that's like a crazy, crazy, crazy moment with the dance and all of that. Nah, Prime got it. The both cross-training, though. They like, yeah, they was like that.

Barry Sanders had some joints too. Barry Sanders had some nice ones too, But I got to give it to prime because the diameter of two and the threes that should have been wearing. Steph Curry is now a sneaker free agent. He had a chat Nike had him. They fumbled him. Under Armour picked him up. He's no longer with them.

The Curry brand is still there. What's your step? If you were advising Steph, what would you, if you were Steph, what would you do? I'm sure. Everything is just, it's on. him. He can do whatever he want, for real. Because I'm sure Nike would love to have him back. Adidas, New Balance. But I think

Rich Climman, he was telling me something about how, like, it'd be their catalog for real. It don't be like the present shoe. It would be like the fours and the five and the sixes. So if he go to another company, he ain't going to have no catalog. It's interesting to see what can happen, but he might just do his own thing, right?

Yeah. I mean, he's Steph Curry, so. He's the greatest shooter all the time. So the ball's is his court, no pun. Basketball snickers and jeans on the first date. Of course, why not? On the first date?

You know who you went, Charlie? I act like, you know what you're with? I mean, if I like my outfit, it's going to happen. I'm going to pose to wear. Doc, Doc Martin's. What's the, what they call them joints? Like, them little butterscotch joints. What, what's you supposed to wear?

The buck. The what? The bucks? That's what y'all was wearing when y'all was running y'all 40, them 4-240 down south. South Carolina, we wear them bucks. No, no, we had bucks, blue jeans on the first day. I mean, you could win the, I mean, I, no, jeans and the sneakers was out. You're trying to get ghosted before the entrees out there.

She was like, I got to go to the bathroom. You can wear the basketball shoes with jeans. It's just all proportioning. How you do it? Air Force One or Air Jordan. You got to pick one. Air Jordan. Air Jordan versus the Air Max 95.

Jordan Jordan versus the New Balance 990 Jordan versus the Nike Dunk Jordan versus the phone posit 1 phone posit 1 is the silver one they max phone product pro or max? Because pro I'm gonna give it to

let's just yeah we say Jordan because yeah Jordan Jordan Like you're saying Jordan everything I mean I could choose between No you get there

Jordan 1 That's it Oh Jordan 1 Yeah Jordan 1 Oh Jordan 1 Oh Big Jordan 1 of 90 95

The new ballot Oh we I would have dropped Off a long time ago But Phones over Jordan 1 For sure Bones

Over Jordan 1 Phones Damn You and Jim Jones Had a debate That who popularized Everybody knows who popularized it

Who did it? He did. He did? No. You did? No, not my area did. Oh, D.C. Yeah, D.C.

He said NYC. I get it. They think they've invented everything. Respect to them. Respect to them. But that's not this one. Hip hop. Y'all got that.

But not this Nike boot thing. You're working on the Nike collab with Nike, right? Yeah, a couple. What is it going to be? What is it going to be? I got a boot. and the new model they got with this GT on the campaign for that.

Yeah, like this is like a new model of a basketball shoe they're doing. What goes into the designing of a shoe? They come to you and say, Wally, we want you to collab. See, it's different. Collab, right now, collab, can mean colorway, a campaign,

but it's not, not, I wouldn't. You don't actually design, you ain't actually designing the shoe, getting the air bubble and all that's. Walk, run, fly. kind of jogging right now. Is the sneaker culture the same? No. No.

What ruined the sneaker culture? Everything is a lot. Resellers? Yeah. All of it. Oversaturation. Poor choices for designs. Bots ruined the sneaker culture.

And also, like, not having the, not, like, you know, Nike, when Nike was on top, like, it was a certain way that was getting certain athletes and like it was a certain like a feeling behind it you know and once once that started like the top stars was going with different companies yeah they didn't have the monopoly over like the whole thing but and um so that's on that side and the other side it's just you know resellers bots and uh like you know people buying whole size runs and like it's just yeah that's just that was did the shoe get to it did the sneaker get become too expensive

That's relative, though, but, no, because I don't know, man. I just think that, like, the lack of innovation on sneakers was a big problem, too. But I don't know if it's the prices, because everything is expensive now. True. Rate D fits. One through 10. See, now, everybody's 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10. No, this can't be no 10 right here.

10. This can't be no 10. One and zero. Oh, I need these. We need these right here, while. We need these, wallet. I got them, Jones. You got them?

Yeah. Yeah, see, you can wear the bronze with jeans, man. Don't fall into the propaganda, man. Dom Kennedy started that, man. Who started that? I think Dom said don't wear bronze to the club or something like that. Hey, sneakers, I mean, look, Jordan made the sneaker because you wear it with jeans. You can wear it with shoes.

Because prior to that, wasn't nobody really wears it. Then 11 started to kick it off. They did. That's what did it. Yeah. Because people started wearing the concourse with a tuck with a suit. I ain't going to do that, but I get it.

You wouldn't wear sneakers with a? No, no, no, no, no. If I'm wearing a tucks, I'm putting it all on. You put it all. You do it. Yeah, you do it. Yeah. I need some type of animal on my foot.

Crazy. When you win a Grammy, what's your acceptance speech? Hey, you didn't take that love to with you, though. Come on, my snike, nightcap, or you'll make Ocho cry. Nah, I'm, no, I can't. Who are you going to think? I got, we got a way, we got manifest that happen because I can't, I can't say that now, but I got something.

You got something playing here, but I want something to say. We're going to pray on it every day, though, until it happened. What's something that you haven't done that you want to do? Want to Grammy? That's it. When a Grammy, there's some other projects that I'm working on, but I'm, I can't, if I say now, that they'll lose the shock value of what happened. Smoke, whoever you smoke, who have you smoke with that surprised you.

Does it surprise me? Hopefully you ain't smoke nothing than Whiz, man, Wills has stuff like, like 100. How much they say them things called? Like a 200,000? It was like $200 for a blunt. Of a pre-rope of me? Yeah. All right, wait.

I mean, I ain't messing up to buy a hustle, but I don't know. That joint got to give me, like, I better start seeing black and yellow. Right, weird. But I ain't paying $200 to spark, but now. I think, you'd be surprised who, you know, who to smoke. Give me your top eye. Or who to smoke with? Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. I'm saying making themselves. I know me and Rosses, we, man, we was, I don't think I ever smoked that much, ever. Snoop, you smoked with Snoop before, yeah. He was back to back with them joints. Whiz? We had smoked with Whiz before. Willie Nelson?

Never smoked with Willie Nelson. Chishon? Never smoked with them. Who else in flame of, uh, uh, uh. You got to remember, I'm a giant introvert, man. I don't even know nobody for real. They just, you know what I'm saying? But I remember smoking with, uh, um, um, um,

I've smoked with Mark Ronson before. I've seen him smoke before. I don't know. I think because weed is so mild in the industry, so it's just like I just assume everybody's high all the time. Everybody smoked like that? They like cigarette used to be in the 80s on. There's a couple NBA players before this junk got banned.

Before it got legal, they used to be smoking like it was day care or whatever. But now, like, everybody's been pretty cool ain't nobody really smoked me under, but Ross he'd just be back to back to back to back. Man, you ain't hanging with Snoop, are you? I've smoked with Snoop, but he'd be back to back, but I ain't, I know when it's time to leave.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, he back to back. We'd say, ain't nobody seeing him. Nah, they, no, that's part of them. Like, they're, like, 99% man, 1% TACC. Both of them got legs like this. How they're smoking like that? How they got lungs like that?

Maybe that's what it is to keep them going. They're so little. They're so small. They just stay like one. I told you they're both 1% THC, man. We used to do that and then do a two-hour set. Maybe on 10 J's end, do a two-hour set. Damn.

You see, y'all, get all cardio, man. I'm about the man's whizzing. You have to get the Dana White check for Wittles, man. Real. Man, hey, thank you for coming by Wally. Make sure you guys go stream. Everything is a lot. Everything is a lot.

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And ain't ever come back Man I ain't that old yeah But I still everybody think about it But nah I don't know what's in here So we're just We're just gonna keep it cute

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