Club Shay Shay - Club Shay Shay - Wallo267 Part 2

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

Wallo267 Tears Up Talking Lil Durk, Losing Gillie's Son, Jay-Z, Saquon Barkley, Meek Mill, Lil Durk & Philadelphia EaglesIn Part 2, Wallo267 dishes on securing major deals with Barstool Sports and working with Dave Portnoy and Erika Nardini. He opens up about being a cultural advisor for Google and YouTube and how his rise to success has impacted his personal relationships. He also reacts to the Philadelphia Eagles' big Superbowl win, proving that his love for the city runs deep. The conversation shifts to his life beyond business and motivation. Wallo267 talks about his first major purchase after making it, his thoughts on dating as a successful man, and why he never dated while broke. He reflects on his childhood, spending most of his teenage years in juvenile detention, his complicated relationship with his father, and the deep bond he shares with his mother and grandmother. He speaks on the strength and struggles of the Black family, his time in prison, and how that experience shaped his purpose. Wallo267 shares his work with Jay-Z, Meek Mill, Michael Rubin, and Robert Kraft on the Reform Alliance, fighting for formerly incarcerated individuals. He tearfully discusses the heartbreaking loss of Gillie’s son, Cheese. He also talks about his love for sports—Saquon Barkley calling him a bandwagon Eagles fan, his unexpected loyalty to the Boston Celtics, and his close relationship with Deion Sanders. With unfiltered wisdom, humor, and hard-earned lessons, Wallo267’s story is one of redemption, success, and impact. From overcoming the odds to leading with purpose, this episode proves why no one can stop you but you. #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey y'all hey y'all about to make Wallo down my dog Wallo and Gilly go here they still there Wallo I'm gonna go here and you go here you go here No, not just that people understand First once the money's cut off then it's the time you don't kick it with me no more you fake No, bro, it wasn't about me kicking was just about the money sometimes to be that but a lot of times New levels new devils man. You understand this is real deep A lot of things change when you build an infrastructure. It's gonna be people that's gonna be like, man, Shane, I need you to do, I can't do that right now. I'm building my stuff.

Because people stop worrying about what you got personally. You don't have the people that hit you up, you all right, anything cool? You taking rest? You know what I mean, you eating right, what's going on? How you, you don't have it no more, it just be about paper sometimes. And I ain't saying everybody about that,

but that shit get lonely because now you become, sometimes you can become paranoid. Right. Cause out here, everybody wanna live that lifestyle. Social media says you gotta. Yeah, cause I mean, I don't believe it. They say 6% of, only 6% of Americans make six figure. I say, man, every profile I go on IG making six figure that's a lot I think

you're more like 90% making six figure it's gotta be deep it's deep or somebody lied I mean either the economists or no the problem is people don't know how to prioritize what people would do is they'll be spending outside of the means mm-hmm and then they want somebody else to take care of their responsibility That's the that's the game we live in it People would do anything for a picture man to take that picture and post it Yeah Why you go really cut for space three four five hundred dollars just to rent a car like the floor or go?

Spend a thousand dollar to get on a private jet no good will you know why they do that? Well, yeah, you spend all that money when you could have just jumped in and got a got a nice ticket for nine dollars first class man them private jets to me cuz that little area the little the flight is the I was in my cranberries do you see now that you will come into some money so you're comfortable you'll be young comfortable yeah what is the first thing when you got some money you like what's the first thing you bought? I was in my you know, it was crazy. I didn't even realize it because it was so unreal I was driving in my uh, my test my uh, um,

Prius you know about that. That's my baby Driving everything and I was driving from atlantic city to baltimore And uh, yeah, how long did it take you to date? No bro, hold on, hold on, one thing about the Prius, one of the best cars in the world. A Prius, 57 miles per gallon. I know, unbelievable. One of the one of the smoothest cars I drive. I used to tip, that's how I came up, me and Gil used to be in the Prius, running back and forth to New York, all that stuff. Yeah but it takes you up to go 10 miles an hour. It's fat, no it don't, that's a lie. Prius is one of the best cars that I ever had in my life.

I'm talking about it's smooth, it's straight to the point. You know what I mean? It was just great. Preeus hollered at me. But what I'm saying is, I'm driving, the DocuSign come across, but the DranSign, I'm just driving, I forgot about it, man. And then it was like me and the gear was in land.

This is when I first caught COVID, right? right I caught the COVID I ain't know what it was I was just in land I was sweating in the bed all night I woke up and I don't know what I just checked my account to see Sean I fell out the bed I was like damn the first thing I thought about I ain't gonna hold y'all say I gotta go some money up no I was hitting people off grandma I was hitting people off and stuff like that, but it was like, I didn't even know what to do with it, man. Because I'm like, damn, people come. And luckily, a couple months later, I called one of my advisors, John Miranda,

shout out to World Wide West, man, plug me up with John, man. Shout out to Uncle West too, man. I called him, I said, listen, what's up with taxes, man? How did that go? He said, come to my office, well. I went to his office. He said, I'm gonna get anything.

He called me like a couple days later, I almost crashed my car. I said, you mean to tell me that I got to give somebody named Sam all this money I don't even know them. What? I was I was so mad at John. I'm sorry John I was mad. He knew I was mad because anytime he called me and I was like what John? Every time I seen this number I got scared because I'm like I'm like I gotta get these people all this money. He said you got to take it now we got to be going take it now put it up make sure we we're gonna pay money. He said, you gotta take it now. We gonna take it now, put it up,

make sure we gonna pay early. That's how you know you get real money when you gotta pay quarter. Oh yeah, yeah. So I'm like, I'm in the car, I'm just holding my heart and everything. I'm just laying there like I had a heart attack. I ain't know what, I was like George Jefferson.

Because I'm like, all this money, so you know. But- You be Fred Safford. I'm coming to join you. You be Fred and all that so then it was like Man you buy shit man, you buy shit, you do your thing Then it's like you bought anything out, you did anything, you got an egg watch You got all this stuff. It just it don't mean it. You know it like I don't even I ain't even gonna front I don't even look at the money no more like that

I'm more excited about just getting a deal and just negotiating shit That's what get me just to see that I've done it. Right. And to show that I've really, everything that I educated myself on is working. But I don't really care about money like that. What's the dating life like now? Dating can be real easy.

And it can be real hard. Because you're a mill ticket out this joint. And a lot of people is looking at you like that. But that's always been easy for me. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't date when I was broke. Why not? Man, I remember one time, Gil called me right, I'm in the crib, right. And to these wife, they laugh. And I know she I know he was on

speakerphone. So he said, Damn, what you doing, man? We're going to date real quick, man. So then we're going right here on this computer, man. Going on the date, man. I got a little, little x and x x. Right right I'm so she's like what why are you so when I first came home I used to shake the dice a lot you know I mean you're gonna shake my dice because it was like man you need money to date and all that shit yeah and he was like man you I said no bro I ain't got time to be sitting nobody face when I got to get my life together See how one of them boys is extremist?

I got to get my paper together just like I tell my nephew's listen nephew get your money focus on yourself So while you're 20s run it up get your credit together get all your stuff So when you're your 40s, you can live a greatest life of your life. Yes, but dating is easy man That's that ain't that's man. Shh. It ain't you ain't have to do too much you won't kid I It ain't you ain't got to do too much. You want kids? I got a kid from my old relationship right. My ex-fiance, I took on Day-Dang, I love you Day-Dang, I took on her and um adopted her, sent her to college. Wow. She graduated too. I mean uh I think about it sometimes you know like have another you know but I

ain't in no rush. You want to get married? I don't know yet. I have another, you know, but I ain't in no rush. You wanna get married? I don't know yet. I don't really, you know, I don't know if that, you know, can I be honest with you? Yeah. Separating with my paper, man. I thought I was married to my paper, man. Yeah.

I'm sorry, man. I'm saying, do we gotta get married? Can I just say, listen, all right, listen, this is what we're gonna do. I'm gonna take care of you to lifestyle for you. I got you. But I don't need nobody coming into the courtroom talking about date Talking about distant a third man. I have talk about my paper man. I'm just I'm just being straight up cuz I got a lot of I got people I got to take care of yes, and you just won't come and knock

Cuz you're gonna sign this this but I don't even it's deep man. Yeah, but but I you know commitment I ain't got a problem with commitment Childhood. What was your childhood like? Man, I'm going to tell you something, man. I had a crazy childhood, man, because I ain't going to listen. Mom, great mom, great grandma.

But I was so impressionable, man. I ain't really, I don't even think I had a childhood, to be honest with you. Because I was so impressionable man I ain't really I don't even think I had a childhood to be honest with you hmm because I was always in institutions I got locked up June 30th 1990 I was 11 years old for a couple days and then I went on to spend five years with juvie yeah I spent five years in the juvenile system then I got locked up and got to 19 out of 20 25 I mean 19 had to 52 years so at the end of the day, I spent more time. Inside. Hold up, hold up.

Did I catch up? I did 25. I'm 45. No, I didn't catch up yet. Yeah, I spent more time in the cell than I did in the free world. You named after your father. Wallace. You're a junior.

Yeah, Wallace Roundshree. No, I ain't a junior. His name was Wallace Roundshree. My name Wallace Peoples. Okay. Let me ask you this. What type of relationship did you have with your father? I just remember my father, he disappeared like around born in 79, probably like 81. We never knew what happened. Is he alive?

I don't know if he's alive. So you guys have never reconnected? Have you tried to find out what happened or where he is? Are you okay? Are you cool with not reconnecting? No, we thought he was he thought he was uh, we think he did But we don't know but I would like to have a I would like to kick it with him I'm not the one that hold on if I see that nigga today. I'll be like dad. What's up, man Would you know what he looked like if you saw him? I think I would I think we'd connect here price He probably if he watching me out there, I love to just kick it with him I ain't got time to be holding on to what happened. It didn't happen Wow what's up?

You know I mean right and you know I just kick it when he makes sure you see my sisters and brothers and go from there What about your mom? Oh my mom right she right there my mom will be watching this Let me see what Jackie let me call Jackie real quick man.. She gonna be like, you want Shea Shea? She gonna have me? My mom might say something to you, man. I don't know what she might say. Cause she, oh man, let me call my mom, man. Let me see.

Cause she's something else. This gonna be deep, man. How you know she ain't busy? Nah, she gonna answer, watch this. She be ready. She gonna be like, I don't, she gonna answer, watch this. She be ready. She gonna be like, I don't, she better have. She don't answer this joint. Hey, Wiley.

What's up, mom? Look, you know him? Yes, ma'am, how you doing? I'm doing amazing, how are you today? Why you put your sexy voice on? I told you, when I be calling you, don't be putting your- Believe in yourself. Believe in yourself. Yes, ma'am, How are you? Why you put your sexy voice on? I told you. When I be calling you, don't be putting your- Believe in yourself. You believe in yourself.

Yes, ma'am. How are you today? Fine. Your son dropping knowledge on us. He's doing a great interview. I'm watching the 2017 Eagles because you know they're going to kick. Hey, mom. Hey, mom. I told you. Listen, but hold up. I told you about putting your sexy voice on

when I call you with people. You did that with Dion, don't do that. Don't do that. You did that with Prime. So you're telling me, hey Shannon, I know how you play. I know what's... But it's a difference with Prime. Don't get it twisted.

Oh, you like that activator he had in his head. You used to like them boys with Jerry curls back in the day. Who was the boy you was talking to with the Jerry curl when I was young? He had the Jerry curl, you used to spray the activator. I never talked to nobody with those Jerry curls. Yes you did, mom. Who was the boy you was talking to with the jerry curl when I was young? He had the jerry curl, he used to spray the activator and- I never talked to nobody with those jerry curls. Yes you did mom.

I thought, you know what, you know I told Gil that you was talking to Randall Cuddeham because it was a dude that looked like Randall Cuddeham but Gil- It's mine. On Everything I Love, the only reason, listen, every day I love Gil, he wasn't on Randall Cuddeham because he was walking, he left the crib, he was walking. I said man, my mom was talking to Randall. You think Gil, he a liar. All right mom, whatever, all right. I was just saying, mom was talking to him. You're not guilty or a liar.

Alright mom, whatever, alright. You should have to say hi to the camera just so we can see. Mom, say hi to the camera mom. Oh no, we're gonna get a little more... Oh no, wait, no, no, no, no. Say, mom, not the camera, just say hi to... To Shay-Shay people. What you doing?

See, you always trying to... You always trying to get... I'm gonna call you mom when I'm out of here. Let me handle this. Alright, love you. I need, I need to... I'm gonna call you. Alright, I got you, babe. I know, I got you always trying to get, I'm gonna call you mom when I'm out of here. Let me handle this. All right, love you. I need, I need, I need your love. I'm gonna call you. All right, I got you, babe.

I know, I got you. All right. Look, see? I'm gonna, she get started, she like, it's going, but I got her, whatever. You were really close to your grandmother. I was really close to my grandmother. Whew, Nanny.

Yes, Nanny special, man. Nanny, let me call my mom, man. This gonna be deep, man. How you know she ain't busy? She be ready. Hey, Wallace. What's up,, man. How you know she ain't busy? She be ready. Hey, Wild'n. What's up, mom? Look, you know him?

Shannon! Yes, ma'am, how you doing? How you doing? I'm doing amazing, how are you today? Why you put your sexy voice on? I told you, when I be calling you, you did that with Deon, don't do that. Don't do that.

You did that with Prime, so you're telling me, hey, Shannon! All my life, been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle paid the price. Want a slice, got to roll a dice. That's why all my life, I been grinding all my life. All my life, been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle paid the price.

Want a slice, got to roll a dice. That's why all my life, I been grinding all my life. Hello, welcome to another episode of Club Shay-ashe. I am your host, Shannon Sharp. Got this stopping by for conversation and a drink today. New York Times bestselling author, a highly sought after motivational speaker, a revered culture advisor for YouTube, a role model, a mentor, community leader for millions,

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co-host of the wildly popular Million Dollars Worth a the son of Philadelphia he lives by the model no one can stop you but you here he is wallow how you be my brother I'm good bro introduction damn yeah wallow thanks for pulling up the club shit man you know you have your own thing and I know you're busy So you're taking time out of your day to to sit down and chop it up with me. So I greatly appreciate it, man How you doing, bro? I'm doing great man. I'm doing outstanding better than that better than good great Better not stand outstanding outstanding. Yeah. Wow. Yeah You want to take oh no, I don't drink you drink. No, I don't drink smoke none of it. You could drop take a drink of that. I don't drink that

I don't drink one topical. I don't have to go to the bathroom and take a break But you won't take that drink some of this company you won't drink some of that, but that's another story First of all, congratulations on being on the New York Times bestseller list Memoir armed with good intentions. Intentions. What made you decide to write a book? You know, everybody feel as though when you get there in life or you have a moment where there's no success come, everybody's saying, oh man, you just perfect. Your life better than mine. My life ain't better than yours. The only thing I wanted to show in the book

was that Armed with Good Intentions is filled with a bunch of losses. Mm-hmm. A loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss, loss. That's the average life. But I think a lot of times people don't understand the only thing different between me and you is I ain't stop. That's it. Mm-hmm. I just ain't stop. Even in the darkest moments I said I gotta get back up. I gotta figure it out. When I'm sitting in the cell I'm like when I get out I gotta do better. You know what I mean? And that was my whole thing. Like I didn't. One of the main reasons I didn't stop. I wanted to get out of jail and show my grandmom that I could do right before she leave this earth,

because she always see me do wrong. And she always believed in me. She always said, you're going to get it. You're going to figure it out. You're going to fit. And she, you know, the whole thing was like, you can't do wrong, right? You need to start doing right, right? Wow, and so later on in life It catch you cuz all she even tell me was that nanny would tell me lowest people She'll tell me boy. I came to Philadelphia with two kids and ten dollars. I got my house in

1963 I Worked every day. I couldn't even afford she said I couldn't afford a fridge reader, but I got my other stuff So father Washington from the church he signed so I give me a fridge reader. I worked every day I never I never took a day off and by 1970 either on my house Like you come from some you come from some humble beginning you come from you come from a good these genes of mines And I always seen a grind You know to the day even though I take care of things. But it's like she said, baby, she used to tell me from jail, ain't nothing ever get cut off in this house.

Wow. You know better. You know right. But everything that she's telling me, she's outnumbered with the street culture. So I'm, you know, nanny tell, boy, she's seeing me, boy, you can do better. And I remember I used to lie to her when I was in prison. I used to tell her all the time, she used to be like, listen,

I ain't going to be here when you get back, baby. Because I would never tell her how much time I was doing. I would tell her I'm coming home every year. And she'd be like, I ain't going to be here when you get back, baby. And I'd be like, Nanny, I'm going to be there. I'd be like, Nanny, I'll be there. I'll be there next year, next year.

She said, you told me next year three years ago. Because I'm sitting here thinking that um Nanny was nanny wasn't as swift as she is but I learned later She was swift, but I just wanted to get out and uh show her that I could do good in life Before she expired before she leave because everything she told me she was right about and I wanted her to know that she 90 years Old now Wow when you're writing this memoir Did you have any idea that it would end up on the New York Times bestselling list? I never had a doubt.

I never had a doubt. And the reason I never had a doubt was because you don't have a lot of transparency in things in these days. You have somebody write a, have a book out or whatever, but it don't be the raw them. It don't be, it don't be coming from an aspect of I'm gonna just tell the truth about what I got going on Rather rather you like it or not because everything is perfect my life ain't person your life ain't perfect life ain't perfect Correct. So I was like, you know, I always felt that in it wasn't just about The book is the work that come after the book come out is to go into all the shout out to all all listen

Shout out to all the black bookstores out there it was a man let me tell you something Shannon when I tell you they had my back hmm you know Reverend was a Baldwin and co in New Orleans Reverend was a uncle uncle uncle Bobby's in Philadelphia Malik books in LA my My agony books in DC. The list goes on and on Kendrickson down in a down in Houston. I think we forgot about that a lot of times we forget about reading but it's a lot of strong black bookstores out there that really helped us I want to shout out to them support your local black bookstore because they supported me in a major way. You mentioned

earlier it says a lot of our life is lost lost lost and only in And only in the song, all we do is win, win, win. Is that true? Only in the song? That's fake. But you have to. And so is that what you wanted your story to do? You think that's why your story resonates because of what you've gone through? And a lot of other people have gone through similar things. Maybe they didn't go to prison, but they suffered a lot of losses,

but somehow found a way to turn it around and get some wins. And is that and it's the connection of that everything like you might see the small the upbringing of the losses but since I came on from prison I showed you 37 years old man getting out of prison in my grandma middle room I make videos out of nanny middle room you know I'm saying so it was like and the only reason I could make parole to nanny middle room rest You know I'm saying so it was like and only reason I could I could make Perot in any middle room rest in peace to my aunt Ruby. That was my baby. She she had a heart attack she died in that room. Hmm, so I was able to make parole there and

And I and I showed you my videos. I wasn't perfect. I showed you living in any house I showed you running down the street. I showed you on the subway to bus you see me just Most of it wasn't all perfect, but it was me There were a lot of rapper that gone serve time why do you think that's such a common thing in the rap industry in our community rap has always been an expression of the environment it been a lot of time rat was escape for us growing up you know it changed a lot growing up it was a you know personal expression it was a documenting of the environment know, it changed a lot. Growing up, it was a, you know, personal expression. It was a documenting of the environment that we come from. A lot of people were storytellers of

what they seen. We didn't really do this, you know. Nas never did what he's taught, but he talked about. A lot of people didn't do this. As you can see, Ice Cube was smart. Dre was smart. These dudes were smart, but they just talked about, I think in rap, it became a challenging sport, a violent challenging sport to the point of where it's dope. If I say something, oh yeah, you really that? I'm a challenge. I'm going to see if you really a king. I'm going to see, oh man, we got to die about this shit.

So that's what came about. And I think a lot of times, there's a lot of aggression that come with it. And sometimes we speak our own, we speak our own fate. And, and you know, and some people talk about dying. Like it's cool. Like on the aspect of like when I die, you know, I make sure y'all so, you know, power in the tongue. Yes, power in the tongue. And, um, we got to live out the rap sometime. John Stewart is back at the daily show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast.

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It was a moment that should have broken me, but just because of how I was raised and my bullishness and arrogance to want to be great, hardened me. It gave me a platform to be so singularly focused on greatness. We all have moments like this. Something happens that's supposed to break us, but it's in these moments that we discover what we're really made of.

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Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeartWomen Sports. Do you feel like rap glorifies prison? You know, it's crazy. It don't glorify prison. I'm not going to say it all the way because it definitely it definitely could teach you how to get to prison. It's definitely a directory. You know, I mean, it's definitely a directory.

It's a map, huh? It's a how to guy. It's a map. Right. But it don't glorify because most people that rap about it never been to prison. These dudes never been to prison. So it's like, I ain't gonna say glory, but it's definitely direct you to a cell. But why don't you think that guys have learned because you've seen guys that have gone there, learn from their mistakes and

not try to go back. But you see these young guys young guys as you mentioned they try to be like and they talk about things they don't know anything about and they feel like they need to do something in order to get that for real that cache a to like I'm really about this life you know what it is I believe that when you young you was young I was young you don't believe nothing that anybody older tell you because you think they disconnected from the reality of life as it is now, not knowing it was once a reality of life that they was living in themselves when they were younger. So they're just trying to share.

You know, if you tell me, man, don't go down that block, there's a hole right there in the ground. Man, I can get around that hole. So it's hard sometimes when you're young because we did the same thing. We just didn't do it to the level of maybe violence or stupidity that some people do it today, but I just think it's hard for people to hear it, and they think, it's not going to be me. Yeah, Walu, you did 20, but, oh, gee,

that ain't gonna be me. I'm smarter than that. What you gonna do? You know what I mean? So until they get there, and then now I'm talking to them on the phone because the uncle called me, yo, it's oh we call Walu man you was right oh so it took you to get 30 years for you to be right you still you still got it right you still got it why you couldn't learn from Walu experience why did you have to go experience it for yourself he already did it he already told you the

path that you was traveling down where was gonna land you but you ain't want to hear that Mm-hmm, and you got a thing about this The street game is a game. It's a game Okay If you play Monopoly, how many people go in probably one if you if you become an athlete of a game How many y'all really gonna go to the NFL? How many y'all really gonna go to the NBA? How many y'all do you know how many people play basketball in America and how many people is to the NFL? How many of y'all really going to go to the NBA? How many of y'all? Do you know how many people play basketball in America? And how many people is in the league? It's not a lot. How many people's in football? It's not a lot. How many people? So you got to

think about this. It's a game that majority of the people lose. And the reality is, like I always tell people, this is me from me being in prison. You show me 10 dudes in a game or you show me 10 dudes that's from a corner. You show me 10 dudes in a gang or you show me 10 dudes that's from a corner. You show me 10 dudes, I'm gonna show you seven dudes that's gonna tell on them anyway. So the mask don't mean nothing. None of this, all this stuff is cat. Everything that we thought it was is cat because we live in a world where everybody is so, they choosing them first. Do you think Lil Bobby is gonna go to jail when they ready to give him 15 20 whatever? And he never been to jail before you think he leaving Keisha with that nice little sexy

Body you think he leaving her and his mom won't come in that interrogation room Bobby. You better tell what they done We see it all the time, but we think my homies ain't gonna tell that it will be your homies gonna tell on They gonna tell Do you think like what about you know these to tab this show I think it was called scared straight Yeah, that was my show. You know I'm saying like, okay We're gonna take you because we see where you guys are headed You know me a lot of you guys are in alternative schools or you in juvie And so we're gonna show you where you're headed

This is the this is the the recipe that you're cooking up right now. It's going to lead to this perfect dish right here. So we're going to give you an opportunity to see where you don't want to be. Do you think they think it's cool to be in prison? You said a lot of these guys that rap about it ain't ever been there. No, you know, it's crazy. I'm not even going to hold you. And I'm going to just talk about me growing up, me growing up. I've seen some vicious.

Do you remember Blood in Blood Out? You remember the penitentiary? I've seen some vicious movies. I've Blood in Blood Out? You remember the penitentiary movie? I seen some vicious movies. I seen it on TVs and all that stuff, but I thought I was smart enough. I don't think a lot of people think they gonna make it there. So until you make it there, you like me,

I get there and I'm like, I get to prison and when that big gate closed behind me and I'm on that bus, I'm praying to every guy that I could think of, like please help me, please, please don't let these people take me. They don't take my innocence, please. I'm scared to death.

Because you know, I see, you know, when I walk through the hallway, first after they tell me, as I get out the shower, dude tell me, wash it up. Shower like a minute. Get up out of there, wash them balls, get that crabs and lights up off you.

Get up, throw your stuff away, get your little box of ladies say, in case case of emergency where you want your body sent? I'm like what type of shit I didn't know whoa whoa whoa I thought I just happened to do some time I ain't no bad. I'm a juvenile that just committed a double crime, and he certified me as a dope well Why we got to die like what's going on? Why I got to die please don't like it could you call my mom and let me get out she peeped my she peeped the fear My eyes and she said she reworded peeped the fear in my eyes. And she said, she reworded the word, no, baby.

Like, in case of a, she said baby to me too. So she let, she peeped that I'm really a keep. She like, in case of anything happen, who you want us to call? Like a merging, you're helping me? And then I grabbed that box. I went in that hallway, greatest floor of prison. I seen the biggest black man I ever seen.

He'll make you look like a midget. He was so big. It was like he was lifting weights in places I didn't know you could lift weights. He was so big coming out the joint with a tank top on. And when I seen him, it's like he coming. I look down at the ground like, oh, my God, he gonna get me. Because I'm not one of these dudes out here that's talking. Like, I thought my ass was on the line

when I went to prison. I was scared. I'm not telling you, like, I was tough. All that tough shit that I threw, I knew, and I thought my ass was on the line when I went to prison. I was scared. I'm not telling you like I was tough. All that tough shit that I threw, I knew, and I thought I was on the street. That shit went out the way when I got to the penitentiary. Because I'm like, somebody gonna get, I always thought that somebody was gonna get me. And then now you start, you realize that you're not

doing days, you're doing years, you're doing decades. They get real. Ooh, that shit get real. you're doing years, you're doing decades, they get real. Ooh, that shit get real. But is it the allure that got you into it? Was it the allure of fast money, quick money? Was it a lifestyle that you wanted to have that you weren't willing to go, say work a fast food job

or work your way up? What was it about that life that attracted Wallo to it? Because when I grew up, I realized quick that America respect the successful criminal. So when I'm sitting on the steps, Shannon, and I see Mike pull up with the bins, the gold chain on the music blasting,

and when he come up to get the most beautiful, he pulling up in his bins to get the most beautiful he pulling up in his binge To get the most beautiful his girl in the neighborhood. She's the most beautiful his girl in the neighborhood when he pull up. I Noticed that I just noticing I ain't watching him. I'm watching miss Jackson miss Brown miss green You know what they say to him? Hey, baby mmm I'm like, oh shit, and then as a girl get in the car, they all speak it to hey ma'am But when I see mr. Mr. Mr. James come home from work and he walking down the street. He's a plumber

He all dirty don't nobody speak to him Miss Brown, Miss Jackson is good. They don't speak to him. This is an 80s. It's showtime, baby I'm telling this is I'm telling I didn't see mr. James name on the marquee I seen the dude with the Ben's name on the marquee, the lights is shining. I'm talking about this is prime time, baby. He got the chain on, the pinky ring, the Rolex watch on, the music blasting, ice-team high roller coming out of the Benz. This shit is movie shit.

I'm like, I got to be him. He's a superhero, not Mr. James. Yeah, they speak to him. They look down on me. They look down on Mr. James. Mr. James, he's a hardworking man in the ghettos of America black man I said I got to be him. I Got to be him you went viral when you broke into tears telling Lord Dirk not to retaliate and King Vons there

You know, you know, it was so emotional because Dirk He said I need you to come here, right? He said we could do it in Miami whatever I need you to come here cuz I need you to come here, right? He said, we can do it in Miami, whatever, but I need you to come here, because I need you to talk to these n****s. That's what he told me. He said, I need you to talk to them, Wild Lord. I need you to talk to them.

I said, all right, I got them. And when I get there, I didn't know it was going to be that many. It was like 100 of them. We in the basement in Chicago. It's 100 of them. And them n****s, they ready to ride? Yeah, no, they just was there, you know.

Okay, they want to hear what you wanted to say. No, it wasn't even that. They didn't even know why they was there. Dirk is like, we're going to do it in the hood. Okay. I want you to holler at them, boom, boom, boom. So I'm like, I got you. When I got there, I'm like, he like, man, listen, I need you to holler at him. It just so happened that when I'm talking to him, I understand, because I'm talking

to a couple of them on the side, and I understand that nothing is more important in the ghetto than revenge. Revenge is king. Yes. Closest thing to God. Because the black man is willing to die about his ego. The ego killed more black men than any other disease. Nothing killed black men more than the ego.

That ego of, you hit me, Shannon. People saw it. I can't let you go. You got to die about this shit. And my mama raised me me so I grew up soft I had no structure of no father there, so I'm just emotional when I so when I'm in here I'm telling them I had to it was emotional for me because I'm letting them know The man that killed my brother I forgave him

And mama cow and mama punk what I don't know what that shit mean But I knew that forgiving him mean that I was willing to live for my brother in an environment where we celebrate dying for somebody I say no I'm gonna live for my brother my grandma my brother kids my mama I'm gonna live for them because don't nobody talk about that but I know that I'm gonna just be straight up I know that I'm not built to die right now Because I know it's more things that they got to do and I know I got a responsibility

That was my older brother. You think I'm saying so it's like I got to step up I got to be a man So I got to think as a man would think not as a street Would think that would die about his ego and leave his babies leave his mama You know tear down the community about the ego. My ego wasn't built like that. I wasn't that strong to have that type of ego. I wasn't cut like that. Who's scoring big in the NBA this season?

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May May came to see me. So my niece, she come to see me the week after her dad get killed. This the first time I meet this little dick. I'm telling you, she was like 5, 4, 5, she was like probably 4 or 5, but she was like 50. So when she came in and she run around the visiting room, she jumped on my lap. She said, oh, will you come home? You're not leaving. You're not coming back, is you? I'm like, no, I'm not coming back.

She said, I need you to take me here. She telling me all this stuff. And my nephew there too, I'm just talking to him. And I'm like, damn! This, somebody finally counting on me. Somebody looking to me in a way I never had nobody look to me. You see what I'm saying?

In that way, my little brother, I was always in the penitentiary, so my little brother Jalil, we really didn't have the time. So I'm like, damn, this little person looking at me like that, she putting a lot of power and a lot of energy on me. And so I already had it in my mind because I'm going to just tell you something. Shannon, I'm not built like that to go kill no black man. I'm not built like that. I'm not designed like that.

I'm not tough like that. I'm not ruthless like that. I'm not heartless like that. That's just not me. Am I worst as fear in the history of life? I don't give a f*** how I die. I don't care what happened. But if a black man killed me,

you're gonna hear my scream into life and for everybody. You're gonna hear my pain. I don't care what happened. But if a black man killed me, you going to hear my scream into life then for everybody. You going to hear my pain. You going to hear me. My tears is going to flood the ghettos of America. I don't care about nothing else. But don't let me go out like that. So I said to myself, I ain't do like that.

Why I want you dead? Because I don't built like that. To be, to be, to be, why I want you dead? Because I don't know, listen, I don't know what happened that night, why it happened. Only thing I know is my brother got shot. He ran into my grandma's house, she opened the door. He died of a heart. I ain't built like that to see nobody else go out like that. I ain't built like that to see nobody else cry like that. I ain't built like that.

I ain't cut like that, Shannon. I'm just not designed like that. Just because you hurt Nanny, I don't want to hurt your grandma. For what? If I hurt your grandma, when this shit gonna stop? It's a continuous cycle. You said that by not retaliating, it gave you the freedom to spend time

with your family. When I got out of jail right I ain't have a lot but I had everything because I remember something back in the day in the ghetto we had nothing but we had each other so we had everything. So I'm like damn, I told her I was gonna take her to these places that I ain't even know I had to take her to them. Right. Cause I ain't know these places, I was just telling her I'm in jail. She's like you gonna take me there? Yeah I know that. I'm just listening to her on the phone. I gotcha, I'm gonna take you there. So when I get there I'm like, you ain't tell me this shit cost

all this money. You know I'm going to bunch it. I ain't know, it said fire below. I going out and spent $50, god damn. They said fire below. I'm thinking I'm going to get a bunch of stuff for $5. So she got me in there, mom, don't be buying all of them. I got to. I got to, I just wanted to show up, not just financially,

I wanted to show up mentally, emotionally. I wanted to show up for them. And that was my whole thing. So it was like, bang. That was all it was about, was living for them and being able to see them, them to see me. For me to be an example to my niece and nephew, and even for my grandma, like, boy,

you can do something with yourself. Because I wanted to prove Nanny right. She always said, you special. But I'm like, special? What you mean? Why would I be special? I'm thinking she crazy. Telling me I you special. But I'm like, special? What you mean? Why would I be special? I'm thinking she crazy. Telling me I'm special.

I live in the ghetto. I didn't know you could be special coming from the ghetto. Dirk said, this mofo really dropping tears for this ish. Do you feel like you heard what you were saying? Feel like the guy, not only did they listen, because a lot of times people listen to respond, but did they listen to understand what you were saying? I hollered that a lot of the math was,

someone would call me. It's not about them listening, it's about conditioning. It's about environmental. You can listen to everything that I say, but a lot of time, as I'm still growing, I don't have the resources to remove you from the danger that you're up against every day. A lot of things these young brothers, they do here, they smart. A lot of them are smart.

But environment, their environment don't allow them to grow because I can't move out of this environment right here. And I know them dudes down in them block, they wanna kill me, I gotta protect myself, I wanna kill, so it's deep. We tell these kids a lot of things, and all we do is criticize young black male every way possible. We criticize them as much as possible,

but we don't bring no resources. You know what I mean? People make money off of just criticizing us and talking down on not just us, it's black people. But they don't got no, okay, you criticizing us. You got all these gigantic platforms. What we doing is cool, Shannon, but they got huge media platforms. They just wanna tear the people down in the black community,

but they ain't coming up with no solution and they ain't bringing no funding. So I can tell these young brothers this, that, and the third, but they still gotta take care of their baby, but they gotta figure out the only way that they know. And in order to really take somebody to another level, you gotta have time, energy, and resources to deprogram them so you can reprogram them.

The programming was hit. The dehumanization of black people by black people was strong. This is some shit that we've done. It started from when the little boy is young, and he playing on the swing, and he he start crying boy be tough don't cry We're taught to ignore and bury our emotions and our feelings and our vulnerability That's not cool. That's not tough

So all that's all that stuff right there. It's a real big program and it took place by us alone So how do we come up out of that? It's gonna be deep It's going to take a lot. How does one outgrow the environmental aspects to constraints in which he or she is brought up in if they're not removed from that environment? Because the fish is only going to get so big if the tank is not conducive for it to grow. A tree is only going to get so big if their environment is not conducive. So if you just put it, if you put a tree in a tub, it's only going to get as big as the tub allows. Now if you take that tree out of a tub and let it grow in a 50 acre field,

it can grow, it can flourish. How difficult is it to reprogram, you say reprogram so I can program in the right aspect, how difficult is it to do that? In the history of our community, the people that was able to do that, it was multiple, it was multiple, it was a few, a few. Educational relocation is the greatest thing that happened to college.

See, a lot of people talk, oh you want to go to college? We understand that you might come out and have bills, but college exposed you to other cultures. See, the hood lack exposure to the world. And a lot of times, you don't never, think about everybody that left. Mostly everybody that left, you never really see them come back

because they see, they meet other towns, they go there, they get relationships with people, and it's just, and they go. They go and they see the world. They're the ones that come back. Most of the time, those people that go and get their education, they're the strongholds of the family. They're the ones that the family count on call your uncle call your aunt She down there. She's a doctor. She's a lawyer. She did we got to start educating ourselves

Making sure the kids is educated putting books in their hand over tablets we got to start there because I'm not gonna say we had to point no return But some people is just stuck and they're using that as a badge of honor. Sometimes in our hood ignorance is a badge of honor. It's a cool thing. Nobody want to you know we can't say that about because anytime black people say things about black people they ain't supposed to say that out loud or whatever I don't know how that shit came. But sometimes it's a badge of honor. Oh I'm this. Think about it. We put on a pedestal the criminals, American way,

the American way. At the end of the day, we love the successful criminal. We love Tony Soprano. We love Scarface. We love Michael Cullion. This is proof. The judge, the lawyer, the district attorney, attorney the president's all them people they love the movies That's they go. So the programming is deep

How difficult is it to really break a cycle when you know, you see a father that goes to jail He had brothers that go to jail and now you see a kid the only thing that he knows is disruption corruption How difficult is that, Walter? I'm a product of generational incarceration. My stepfather, Hip, he was in Dallas Penitentiary in the 80s. Me and him were cellmates in Dallas Penitentiary by 1998. By 2005, me and my brother Steve were cellmates in Dallas Penitentiary. And there's a picture of me, it's inside of the book.

Me, hip and Steve on a visit when I was a kid. And we all wound up being in that same prison. Wow. John Stewart is back at The Daily Show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with The Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports, and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondents and contributors.

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America build communities this is what happened. As we do so much crime in the cities of America there are small towns in America middle of Pennsylvania, middle of Ohio, middle of California, where population is up. Then one day you just see this landfill, you see some construction workers come. And then a truck, these 18-wheelers come, a bunch of them. And they start putting these new prisons together like Legos. Then a gas station, they build a gas station, then a Walmart park up, then a hotel pop up.

We building communities. And I'm gonna tell you a story, deep one. It was this guy named Steve, I used to go back and forth with him on the tier because he just, I used to always speak up because he had gone people's cells when they in the yard and do checkin'. You ain't supposed to be nobody. I used to say little stuff. So we used to always speak up because he would go in people's cells when they're in the yard and do check-in. He ain't supposed to be nobody.

I used to say little stuff. So we used to battle. One day, he set me down. I go to the bubble to get some legal mail because when you get the legal mail, you got to sign for it. And he said something strong to me. I never forgot this. He said, come here, peoples.

That's my last name. I said, what, man? What you want, man? I'm just signing up for my mail. He said, come here, peoples. That's my last name. I said, what, man? What you want, man? I'm just signing up for my mail. He said, look. He opened up his shirt in between his shirt and his vest, because they had a Stabpool vest. He pulled out an envelope.

The envelope was folded. He opened the envelope. It was a picture. He put the picture down. Says, I'm signing for my woods name. He opened legal mail. I stopped. And before I leave, I stopped.

He said, you and the homies, man, you and the homies. Being sarcastic, using the word homie. You and the homies took care of him. Thanks to you and the homies. I'm like, I looked at the picture. It was his son standing in front of a big house with a pickup truck and a big boat there. I said, you and the homies got me that.

Usually I have a verbal, little verbal spar with him, but he stuck me that day. I couldn't, I was wounded. So I just walked back to the cell and sat on the bed and I said, damn. Ain't me and none of the homies never bought our mom no house. We never sent our kids to college.

But you know how many kids, you know how many homes and kids is going to college that me and the homies is taking, me and homies is doing that. But it ain't going to our community. We taking care of families. We taking care of generational because in prisons you have with neplicism. You got the warden.

The warden brother is a security captain. His other brother is the lieutenant. His sister is the head of the medical. The other cousin is the head of the gymnasium. The other cousin is the activity director. The other cousin is the head of the work force. You walk inside a prison, you see 15 family members that go home every day and 15 family members that don't.

That's the prison system in America. You see 15 family members that go home every day and 15 family members that don't. That's the prison system in America. So it is deep. It's deep. And it's going to take a lot to break that. Why is it that a lot of times that you see rappers and they rap about that, they made money, millions, and they still go back to that culture why can't they let that go why can't they escape that one

because in the ghetto everything is about ego you got to prove to the dudes the ops or the whoever they get everybody want to prove to the people that they are doing better than that they still real mmm you mean you really just bought your mama house that's real enough but it you real, you just bought your mama a house. That's real enough. But it gotta be, you know, people wanna prove that I ain't no chump, I ain't no turkey. Listen, let me tell you something, man. You just rap some songs, right?

I'm telling you, you went in the studio, rap some songs. You got that publishing money. You got a bunch of money, it depends on how your deal structure, you got all that tour money. You got 10, 15 million in the bank. I think it's about time to start being a pussy, man. I think it's about time to start being a pussy.

I'm just being real because, you know, I'm not the one designed and I'm not built like that to tell you some bullshit, Shannon, to say be tough. No, everybody else telling you to be tough. I'm not going to tell you that. Because all the rich people, I don't think they trying to worry about what somebody saying about them.

From a neighborhood that's still trying to figure out life. So I think it's cool to be, not be that tough no more, man. Master P said something last night on our live show. He said, sometimes man, people be trying to get, trying to get you to trick off your position. Like you're in a great position and they get you. said, sometimes, man, people be trying to get you to trick off your position. Like, you're in a great position and they get you.

Oh, no, no, no, a lot of people fall out. They get you to crash out. Yeah, because you said, you told them, it's like, look, you're going to finesse yourselves out of this position. Your family, like, you got your family in a great situation, and you're going to let somebody finesse you out of it. But what did I tell you early in the interview?

The ego is the number one killer of black men. It's the number one finesse out of the position like Shannon how many people say some crazy stuff about you? Just imagine if you just you know if you if you if you just reacted to everything a lot of times It don't even be a lot of times. It don't even be that people don't like you It'd be that people can't get around you and utilize your resources and utilize you. You know, a lot of people you see them, you might see somebody say something to enjoy and I know you got a memory you be like, they'll see you Shannon, what's up? You'd be like, why you say

this stuff about me, man? No, man, I was just, no, man. A lot of people just be wanting to hug Shannon. They just be wanting some love. They just be wanting to get embraced and they don't know how to go about that. You utilize the proper channels to say damn Shane I'm trying to do something with you man in the time right at the time right can I get on your show or whatever it may be people don't know how to do that you know what you recently sat down with Kodak back and you had a conversation with him about his drug use well let me ask you a question how do you determine who I mean if they reach out you willing to sit down and talk to anybody chop it up half

combo with anybody that reaches out how do you go about who you sit down and talk to and impart wisdom on? Oh no, you can feel that shit. You can feel it. Because when you're doing it, you can just feel it. And you know, I still know what's going on. You're moving around, you know what's going on. And everybody with these artists is sad.

Most of their teams and managements are pussies. They got a bunch of yes men around them. A person is not, they care more about getting a check off them than this person living. These people don't be giving a fuck about these young bloods because they don't come from it. So they don't understand it. Now the ones that don't come from it and they're afraid of

it, cool. But if you come from it, it's your duty to put the check in on them Like come on man. Somebody got to be in line to each other. Everybody's got it came with some joints I'm like damn anybody scared of this Yo, my man, what you doing nothing. Oh, what's up? What you doing man type of drugs you using that I Don't walk the rooms on people like that like damn you bigger than this man You know what you you got the baby you got and that's a lot of them But you know you just feel the energy and wouldn't tell you know

how Sir you you you talk you kind of touched on this circle of friends And I'm a firm believer that you have people in your corner that tell you what you need to know not what you want to Hear you now you said something very interesting Because see if I tell you what you need to know you gonna stop the bus wallow and ask Me to get off bro. I need that respect to shine. Come when you walk up in the club I'm with wallow. They see wallow popping bottles. Hey, I ain't wallow, but I went wallow So I know what comes along with it. I can't ask you that I can't tell you what's real

It's a wallow man You a you effing up because you gonna stop the bus and ask me to get off it now I'm gonna reflect the machine wallow is only popping pure few. I'm not gonna pop the bottles I'm just saying Make sure you go get that Fish who hydration drink in the fill of your sister in the Chicago sky. I'm owner but listen The tropical punch He's drinking a watermelon

Yeah, but I don't drink I don't smoke But I'm saying but you understand what I'm saying Yeah That if I tell you the truth you're gonna stop the bus you're gonna ask me to get off and I can't go with you I you not go that's not always the time but but you know what they got a double back because sometimes that don't always happen But it need to be done because they come back when they in prison or whatever happen or somebody they gonna come back But somebody got to do it. Somebody got to do it So lay up you've been you've been to prison. Yeah.

And you, ay, you weren't famous, so you in G-Pop. Yeah. You got Diddy and you got R. Kelly. I was in GP, I was in GP, right? Right. But I wanted to be in PC some days because it got a little brutal. I can imagine. We wanted to slide up in PC like, ugh, this day, too many stabbings, man.

Let me just, y'all got some space back there, Y'all need somebody to move, y'all need myself. I was some days I wanted to be in PC. How difficult, how much, how different is it for a celeb being in a situation than a regular cebia? I think it's different. It depends on what environment you in. Federal, state, it depends. I just think, I've never seen nobody coming there

and then have any problems that was celebrity when I was in prison. You had some celebs that came in there when you did that? Yeah, some came through, but it wasn't like they wasn't on their level. Right. That's a mega star. People will be in there just fanning out sometime. You'd be shocked, man. Dudes be in jail, man. It ain't all what the movies play out, especially if you ain't got no problem with nobody. You know what I mean? But I ain't saying somebody won't

press you like, yo, man, I need this money. Send it to me. You know, I don't know that, you know, but. But that happened. Did that really happen? Yeah, it happened. It happened. To get protection, you got to get protection or no?

No, I ain't saying you got to get protection, but somebody might press you, man. Somebody might be doing life. You might come in there, you might have some, you might have had to get money, not even on that level. Right. And then you might got to send somebody. And people might got to get some people some money that's all Yeah

The measure question is the true ghillie started to me dog with a game podcast How did you I mean you get out? So how do you guys how did he have the foresight and the forethought to come up with a million dollars with the game? And say you know what my homie just did a bid cousin. No,, no this is what happened. I'm gonna tell you what happened. When I was in the joint he was doing million dollars worth of game on Instagram. Okay. 2012 let me give y'all million dollars worth of game. Boom he was he was popping it. Right. So when I get home see one thing about this is like this. The great thing about me and Cuz we know our rules. I'm more of the researcher. I'm more of that person. I'm more of I'm gonna get with more of that person. I'm more of, I'm gonna get with you cuz.

And when these people start talking, and we gotta get legal involved, we gotta go sit down, then I'm gonna call you, but I'm gonna go do that. You sit down, you do what you're gonna do. You did enough, you build a whole following before I came home, I'm gonna add value to it. Because I'm one of these type of players. I'm a player like this.

If your name is on the marquee, Shannon, and I'm really about you, I'm gonna get you water. I'm making of these type of players. I'm a player like this. If your name is on the marquee, Shannon And I and I'm really about you. I'm going to get your water I'm making sure you right then what you need man. You see how your brother came over here I don't know who that brother was made sure you was right. It was no ego I'm gonna be the dude boy ain't doing all that. Well, I'm just saying see that's your problem That's why you gotta go back down the way. Yeah, come on. You ain't going to roll baby. Go home See, that's why you got to go home. Okay, but that, you ain't going on the road, baby. Go home. See, that's why you gotta go home. Okay. But that's the problem.

I knew we had different parts to play. That's why we work so good. You know what I'm saying? So one day, he already doing it on Instagram. We doing our thing. We had already had content on Instagram, just the everyday content, riding in a car, all that type of stuff. I'm up four o'clock in the morning.

I like to read articles. I think it was on Apple. I love reading articles to get information. 4 o'clock in the morning, I like to read articles. I think it was on Apple. I love reading articles to get information. So it said, Spotify allocate 400 million to podcasts in the first quarter of 2019. I called him early in the morning.

I said, yo, he all, man, what the? Yo, get up, read that article. I just text you that article. Read that shit, read it, please, cuz. He read it. So when he read it, he called me back he said yo we got to get this shit rolling we got to crack out the mics talking about podcast yeah at that time Maurice Coret that's my homeboy brother from another he used

to always call me like Wallow you and Gil got to start a podcast he called me and Gil y'all y'all got to start a pocket whatever this the first time that this dude woke up and I'm like this he called me back and I'm like he ain't gonna talk to him later he called me back he was like cuz we got to do it crack the money to give it all that money that day I called my homeboy Nick rich graphic designer so I need a logo that afternoon he had the logo I called a call my attorney shame loss I said Shay I need this trademarked.

We get the LLC off, got everything done. Got the LLC, all that shit, boom. April 17th, we dropped the first episode of Million Dollars Worth a Game. It went number two in comedy on podcast on Apple and number four in all categories in like seven hours. I said, we got something. I said we got something baby We got something and we just we just we just started knocking. I said cuz this one I'm gonna do

I'm gonna go I'm gonna get a deck created and I'm gonna take all our social media and this is the business of podcast I'm gonna take our social media following cuz he had a million. I had a half a million I said, I'm gonna take our social media following. I'm gonna put I had a half a million I said I'm gonna take our social media following I'm gonna put that on the deck and I'm gonna tell sponsors people that want to be sponsors I'm gonna tell them this if you sponsor on this show every time we put a clip up on on our page because million dollars worth of game that's gonna be a million dollars worth of game page on ghillie and while o page we're gonna tag sponsored by Shannon

Sharp show whatever whoever you is he said all right do you think I said I got you one of the first place I went was to a funeral home I go to a funeral home because I went to this funeral right boy funeral home all right and Asia was like she was like she was at the funeral license nice little sister but my homie that nigga look like he was like she was at the funeral license nice laces but my homie that look like he was still living in the casket I said you bad so I go to actually listen I got a package for you my sister from another mother Mary she hooked up the decks for me and the different entries of sponsorship right so I go to her I said listen she said yeah I want to do something like that I want you to

market his joint And this is when I'm just learning and creating my personal business of podcast. So I said all right, I got you She paid me I think probably gave me like 20,000 for four for four minutes, right? So a minute this how I was selling it I was selling minutes by you get on each show you get a minute We're for advertisement your logo won't up, your number gonna pop up, everything gonna pop up, and I'm gonna run it down. So she said, all right, cool.

Pay me the money. I said, all right, let me go. I'm gonna be done the ad. By the time I got to the second ad read, because we only do four shows a month, one a week. By the time I got to the second ad, she called me wild up. Stop.

I said, what's up? She said, I ain't got enough work. I'm getting too me while oh stop. I said, what's up? She's I ain't got enough work I'm getting too many bodies baby. I get in too many bodies Episode come on this episode of me and I was worth a game is brought to you by boys funeral home one thing about life You're gonna die one day and when you die you want to be laying in the casket looking like you living even though you did You want to be looking like you're gonna get up out of the casket. You want to be looking like Wow I want to look like that even father living while'm living while you laying in the casket. I'm breaking it down.

She was like, it was that. Next thing, Springfield Hyundai. I go to them, bang, they say, listen, we're going to give you 25,000 a month. Four minutes, back, let's do it, baby. I'm coming back, Gil like, I said, yeah, baby. I wasn't going off of CPMs and all that other stuff they were doing.

I'm creating my own industry. And business, you got to know your value. Will you bring value to value and increase your value? I knew that we was valuable. I knew people wanted brand visibility. Because we was cultural. But I'm also a good partner whereas, though, I wanted to be emotionally beneficial.

We doing business, I need to make sure you can take care whereas though. I wanted to be mutually beneficial. We don't business I need to make sure you can take care of forget what you giving me, right? I'm not gonna feel right if I know Dan Shannon gave us all this money man, and we didn't do that's not business Right, so we pop in it. It just kept popping popping popping one day. I get the most scariest call in my life I'm in the crib phone went call in my life. I'm in the crib. Phone went. Answer number. Just before when I was answering numbers and I ain't know what it. I mean I ain't had no money there. Right. So I said, how you doing? This is Wallo, right? I said, yeah this is Wallo. Is

Gillie around? I said, yeah. He said, this is about the podcast. I said alright. Called Gil. Yo man, got somebody on the phone. He said hi Gil, how you doing? He said yo what's up man? Gil like who this man? You know Gil B. He said hi I'm Courtney Holt. So me, I'm a vicious researcher. I'm like this one out of phone. I sent it to Gil. Screenshot. Oh shit, this dude, dude this dude and ran and he's the head of Spotify at the time I'm like how did I'm saying to myself hey get my number and culture you don't got to ask nobody to do nothing for you when you popping you hot the people that need to find you won't find you it ain't about nobody reposts you. They gonna find you. I don't know how he got my number.

So now I'm on the phone and I'm like, I said he said, uh, what do you guys want? I said, what you're talking about? I said, no. What do you want? He said, no, how much money do you guys want? Now I'm stuck because I don't even know what to tell him. I'm stuck but it's like I said we want ownership. We want all our IP. We want to keep owning our IP. Yes. He said we want your IP so how much money do you want? I'm gonna join Texas Guild this year against Spooky Guild because I think this like some movie some shit that you know when they Tell you go into the other room. I'm like all this I go. I'm like, oh shit, right? So I'm like, all right I'm a kid. Can I have my lawyer? Can you see I'm gonna text you the email? Let's get on the email chain and our legal get involved when they start talking about legal, you know, this shit is real Right. It's game time. Yes. I'm like back kill was like who was that? I said, I don't know man

then Shitty molly shit. I'm like, who was that? I said, I don't know, man. Then I sent him all this shit. I'm like, that shit was scary. I was sweating on the call. Cause I mean, you know, I ain't never had, cause I'm in the, I'm still trying to come up. That's when we got in the game. We had them, we negotiating with them.

We negotiating with Barstool. It was, and it turned us up. But at the same time, I'm already getting the money from our own sponsorship. I'm already doing it. I'm getting a bunch of money. We doing it. We killing it. I'm doing all the, all our own sponsorship. I'm already doing it. I'm getting a bunch of money. We doing it. We killing it.

I'm doing all the brand deals, all that stuff. We was killing it. Normally, people say don't do anything with family, but you and Galey seem to work. How did you know that it was going to work? And you guys go 50-50 on everything. Yeah. How did you know?

Because family, man, sometimes, well, little man, you know family do you bad. One thing about cuz, cuz and me and cuz ain't got no ego. I can check him and it's done right there, he can check me and it's done right there. Cuz if we wrong we wrong if we right we right. We don't, and then we not in competition with each other. Like I'm so, like you gotta understand this, you gotta understand this. I'm so excited for him right now in this moment because simply because the Eagles is winning and this

dude when I say he loved the Eagles oh yeah listen when I say he loved the Eagles he told me he said cuz we was gonna bustle with the boys got it he said I won't have sex with my wife for a year the Eagles go in the Super Bowl They got away about 10 Super Bowl But that's what he said so I'll be so happy that listen Eagles is my team now You know me right? I don't really you know, I bounce around people know I got different teams a year I'm just saying I'm just being real This is the first time in the history of my life that I've been faithful to a team for a whole season.

I've never done this shit in my life. I usually bounce around, especially in the playoffs. Oh, they got dropped out. In New Jersey, I pull my jersey out. You ready? You know what I mean? I don't even know where my jersey's at, but I'm gonna just say that.

Like, we so excited for each other. We always championing each other when we win. That's different. Bro, you don't see that. Everybody wanna compete with each other when we supposed to eat with each other we just not doing that shit we ain't built like that we just not built like that what made you guys sign with Barstool because talk to Portnoy and he's like hey yeah we signed him but we didn't really know cuz I mean culturally

and fan base wise I mean that's not where they that's not where we are and their culture and their fan base is kind of not where we are but it's a match that works you know you know why because we was going back and forth with Spotify it was cool Spotify won the boxes in because Spotify they take you off of YouTube and say you over here now the visuals you can't put the whole show It was like that. I'm like, no, what about our people? Hey, I ain't got no money for no subscription for that right bars to was like not only was gonna give you the paper not only do we don't want to own your IP, but

We gonna make sure y'all still stay over there So y'all can do what that y'all do what they don't want to do Dave and when we saw Dave and Erica Nardini was so real, when they met up with us, it was like, they didn't play. They asked us for a number, I said it, but I should've said the number too early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a low number, you should've went a little high.

Because, you know, when they, I'm just thinking about, because I was broke at the time. I wasn't broke, but I was JVM, just barely making it. Yeah. So I'm like, damn. So I'm like, so I told them, I said this, this the first deal, I said't broke, but I was JVM just barely making it. Yeah So I'm like damn so I'm like so I told them I said this this the first deal I say listen We in Demons, it's out of Philadelphia. They come down and get on train come see me and Gil we go there

Gil say you got it. Go ahead. Go ahead cuz I'm at the table They said we just 36 month, you know Distribution deal, you know the distribution deal, you know, the whole thing. See how much? I'm thinking I'm popping my shit. I said three million. Cool. She said, all right.

I said, man, you, you, you, hey, you know, you done screwed up. You know, you screwed up the video. You said three days. I didn't even get the three million out because I'm like damn now I'm sitting there I'm like Gil kicked me like but he said you I told you to say something I said there nigga what you want me to say you know I mean we see shook our hand signed it you know I mean Lori got the information you know all that shit right but it's but but it was like it was like now I Ain't gonna hold you

Well, we did In Two and a half years into that contract man The first offer that came through and the renegotiating because now we ready to start a bid war cuz we read We are we got a leave. We got a lady our John coming up The first joint that came through 25 million 36 months license and deal That was the first deal mmm Dave told me he said on the pot. We were I got a blank check for y'all

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