Club Shay Shay - Cordae Part 2

Episode Date: November 1, 2023

Rap sensation Cordae's conversation takes a serious turn as he addresses the unfortunate situation of Gunna being in jail, shedding light on the realities faced by artists in the industry. Cordae concludes by sharing the valuable advice he received from J. Cole, offering listeners a glimpse into the wisdom and mentorship that has shaped his budding career. This episode exemplifies Cordae's determination, authenticity, and dedication to his craft. Fans of Cordae and those intrigued by the music industry's inner workings alike will find this episode of Club Shay Shay to be very thought-provoking. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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radio app or wherever you get your podcast you mentioned that meg went through what you went through with tory um you reached out i mean what was your words of advice i mean obviously that's someone that you that's a very dear friend to you and she's going through something and from what i could read i don't know either either of the parties but it seemed like they didn't believe that like i'm and i'm thinking to myself why the hell she gonna lie about somebody shot in the foot i mean yeah that's i mean that's meg that's meg she don't need clout yeah i'm not trying to uh i'm not gonna over exaggerate it and say we like good friends you know i'm not like best friends at all but like i'm more so of a of a supporter you know and the fact again we was on

that double excel freshman class just whenever i see her it's always good energy and so i was just like man you know god always prevails right and it might not even have been about the tori lane situation it might have been like her she's been through a lot her losing her mother right and things of that nature but just just let just just sending good energy out right that's it just sending good energy gonna yeah use him obviously uh the plea deal that he went through have you talked when he was going through what he was going through i mean man it's kind of hard i mean dude got a rico statue hanging over his head you're talking about a long long time i ain't talking about no months we talking about well we talking about months but we talking about 200 plus months things of that nature so what do you say to try to keep the spirits up?

I haven't talked to Gunna, to be honest, since like the whole situation. So I haven't spoke to him. I wrote Slime a letter. I wrote Thug a letter. But no, I haven't spoke to Gunna. But I wish, obviously, prayers up for Thug. He's still in there. Right.

And I wish, you know, Gunna, just nothing but the best. I wish them both nothing but the best. I just love to see black men succeeding. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I want to see them both excel. And also, DaBaby and Roddy Rich, a lot of people say, man, their music sounds the same. So they're not

selling like they did in the beginning. Yeah. You know, with DaBaby, I wanted to bring him out for Coachella too, because this is after, you know, the incident happened on stage. Right. Well, you could have just called me. I could see, like, everybody want to come out there. Yeah, I know.

Man, exactly. You want to come out there. Right. He had a show, though. He was, like, somewhere out the country at the time. Okay. But I hit DaBaby because I just wanted to bring him just on some, like, man, we got to, just brothers in this thing, we got to stick together.

Like, look, I know what you said on stage was not the brightest thing you know what i'm saying but like yo like i don't i feel like what and again this is just my opinion i could be wrong but i felt like the backlash that he got from that was just like it was um a little over the top but again i could be wrong you know but um it should be a learning lesson yeah well i mean we held a lesson is a lesson we held to a high standard i mean it's almost like a death sentence when a black person says something i mean it's like it's the end of the world nah for sure we held so accountable nah for sure so i hit him up was just like yo i'm doing coach because you know they took him off coachella so i hit him up like yo i want to bring you on stage and he was like man from the bottom of my heart like i really

appreciate that bro i'm in europe somewhere right, like, it meant a lot to him. I had a conversation with that. And with Roddy, I haven't really spoken to Roddy like that, to be honest. But, again, like, when that, again, I don't like to over-exaggerate anything. I ain't finna act like I'm best friends with these niggas. And we like homeboys and we grew up together. Like, it's just always this mutual love. I love to see a black man winning.

Love to see a black woman winning. Love to see a black woman winning. Love to see everybody winning. Right. And so just always just try to be a light for my peers because nobody can relate to other artists, especially in a sport like hip hop and music and even entertainment. Nobody can relate to us more than us. So you may be able to confine within me something that like your parents may not even understand or like your siblings may not understand even if you got a therapist they might not understand because they haven't walked in those shoes so just always try to just be a light whenever I can be because at the end of the day I'm still figuring this shit out too like I don't have all the fucking answers

you know but just try to be a light what's the uh the hardest part about celebrity. And I tell, what I tell people, I said, TV celebrity is different than sports celebrity. Yeah. The one thing like for me is like, if I play football, I play tight end. So if they bring another tight end out and he's trying to get my job, he beat me out for the job.

Hey, he took food off my table or the guy that's going against me trying to cover me. If he covered me more times than not, I'm going to job he's taking food off the table yeah but the tight end ain't going behind my back telling the coach hey coach he out here doing this he doing that and stuff like that yeah and that's the thing that i learned about tv yeah is that people that man man listen that's see me i don't and that's the one thing within the entertainment space

that's like just weird because i don't, and that's the one thing within the entertainment space that's like just weird. Because I don't know how to halfway fuck with somebody. Like, even like before when we bringing up people, I'll be like, man, I ain't going to over exaggerate. Like, I'm best friends, but it's love. And I keep it at that. So, if I say I rock with you, when I say like, this here is my dog, like this is my real friend, like in real life, this is my brother. This is my sister. In real life, like, this is my mans. In real life, then I'm rocking with you till the wheels fall off.

Whether the world love you, the world hate you, I'm rocking with you all the way. I don't know how to mess with people, how to fuck with people halfway. You get what I'm saying? I don't know how to, like, I know how to draw a line between, like, it's still love, I'm rooting for you,

but we're still peers at the end of the day, versus, like, no, we done met through this entertainment thing, but I consider you a close friend of mine. I invite you at my house to the cookout. You done met my mother. You know, things of that nature. So I don't know how to halfway rock with people. So when I sense things of just like funny acting and things of that nature, I withdraw all the way back. So that's what I can't tolerate.

But see, I look at it like this. Okay, man, I don't rock with Cordae. Okay. I don't rock with Corday man Corday man. Hey y'all trying to do some with Corday man Oh, yeah, sucka man That's my point. That's my point. If you don't rock with me why you trying to inhibit what I'm trying to do You don't rock with me. Yeah, so this let it go leave it on We like a wish that if it's a I rock with hey man wish them all the best it's a four lane highway don't cross in my lane

I ain't in your lane just keep it going if we go a hundred miles an hour we just don't cross the lanes so that's what I'm like and then to see that actually happen and to do like

you know hey man like bro stop it yeah I feel like it's a lot of pandering that goes on too you know like even with like a lot of music reviewers, like again, everybody's entitled to their own opinion.

It's a necessary thing. But I feel like a lot of like music reviewers and I rock with Fantano. I think he's like pretty dope, pretty thorough. And it's a lot of other thorough podcasts and things of that nature that does music reviews nfr i believe but a lot of these um nfr is dope but a lot of music reviews they pander to a certain audience that makes sense like they know a certain sound that their audience likes they know a certain artist or type of artist that the audience likes so they just want to pander to them like oh yeah this is an incredible when they may not even think that right so i think that's like selling your soul in a way. Right. My bad. That might have been a far right high related to that.

But yeah, just moving with snakes, man, it's just different, bro. Like, they'll smile you in the face like, man, man, man, Cordae, man, you a great guy, man. This all love, family. Like, people use that family word, real use. They be like, hey, man, all love, family. I'm like, yeah, love, bro. Yeah. They call you bro.

They call, hey, that's my brother. Bro. People use brother so loose now. Man, I don't like that. They be like, brother. I be like, you gotta watch out for that nigga right there.

Straight up. You know, it's different. Like, oh yeah, what up, brother? You know, like black man to black man, but it's like, oh, that's my brother? And bro, you killing me.

Man. When I use that, man, that's my brother word. I mean that. Like, man, anybody talking about you around me, like, I'm feeling like, nah. I'm going to shut it off. Shut it off. Like, nah, you mentioned my brother.

Like, nah, man, that's my brother in real life. Even if he's not my brother, if somebody is having a conversation about somebody and I have not had that experience with that individual, what am I? I don't have anything to add to the conversation. Yeah. So, bruh, just exclude me. Because if we're having a conversation, I want to be a part of it. But if you're talking bad about somebody because you have a negative experience with them and I have not had no negative experience, I can't talk. Yeah, because there's a conversation that I can't join in. If we're not having a conversation, a conversation should be between you and I.

Yeah, man, he's a sucker for real, man. Let me tell you what he did to me yeah but if he if I don't have that experience then yeah so now what do you do right and this is a question like let's say you hear two people talking somebody you moderately cool about they talking trash uh-huh do you go back to that person or you just keep it to yourself keep it myself absolutely because that got nothing to do with me 100 but if it's my dog I. But. If it's my dog. I already know how you moving, though. Yeah. I already know how you moving. Man, listen, I be so aware. I watch the words I use and what I say around people so much.

It's just like, oh, I already see. It'll be certain managers be talking about they are telling all they are this business. I'm like, oh, I can't tell you nothing. Because if you telling their business, I already know what you're going to do to me. Man, listen, I be hearing even other artists talking junk about other artists.

And I'm like, yeah, man. I'm like, oh, I ain't telling. They be like, yeah, man, he spends this and much on such and such. And he really like not even having it for real. I'm like, oh, I can't tell you a single. Now I can't tell you my last name. It's like, for real, dog.

So I can't rock. Chatty Patties is the worst. That's the main thing in this business I can everybody just talk so much but you're talking about they grown grown grown men too the men be worse than women you would they are for real like people be talking just chill I'm like bro like just shut up talking bro like I don't even like when somebody talking too much I'm just like bro like keep that, keep that. Bro, get away. I just put on my headphones.

You know what? I guess we have gone through some of the same. I like the rap line. You say, I made seven million and I have to do a single show. Yeah. How have you been able to continuously make money outside the music business? Just, you know, obviously, and you know, it's funny. I kind of regret saying that line because it wasn't like

whatever but I say this to say it's so many other avenues other you know live shows obviously that's like right that's um a great source of income and it's the easiest for me because I'm doing what I love and I'm getting paid to love that but when the pandemic happened you had to be I was it was a blessing in disguise to the point where I've become more cognitive and aware of the business side of the music. That's when the YBN thing happened because I was able to really sit and like look at things and just be like, bro. And, you know, I had that convo and I'm like, bro, like this is like, this is not it. And again, that was like the main reason. It was obviously other small trinkets, but that was the main reason. But going back to the original point was just like the blessing of the pandemic was I was able to like be more cognitive and aware of business.

OK, be more open to like, OK, learning about real estate, learning about stocks and bonds, accept IRA accounts, Roth accounts, open up UBS, private equity firms. Roth accounts, open up UBS, private equity firms. Think just learning and being more receptive and open to information. Being more aware of my brand. That's why I came up with High Level. How I want my music videos to be. How I want to be approached and seen visually. Right.

One of the bad things about the pandemic, I think I became even more of an overthinker. But that's a whole other story. It gave me too much time to think. You got a lot of time. It gave me enough time to think to where, okay, I got to get my business together. I got to become more proactive when it comes to business, but also maybe overthink it. Then you overthought it. Absolutely. Sometimes you can be a prisoner of your own thoughts.

Absolutely. I don't mind as the devil's playground, like my mom say. I love your granddad's quotes, by the way. Your granddad got some bar. I'll be like, ooh, that's some bar. Ooh, that's that Southern. You know, I grew up in that Southern, you know, that North Carolina, same thing. So I got a lot of the same stuff.

But, you know, again, being open to a TED Talk before the pandemic, I wasn't. You weren't even thinking there. I wouldn't even have been thinking of a TED Talk, which opened so many lanes for me. Like, I can get paid now to do public speaking to do motivational speaking at colleges the way I don't even got to pay let's say a shot get paid 200 grand I still got to pay for flights hotels and not saying that's the number but just using that as a ball boy I still got to play fights hotels I invest in my show I play with a lot of fans I got my own lighting rig that we

ship over we got that's lighting program we got a video wall screen i got the best mic system you know i invest in my show so you're making 42 by the time all that's over exactly and again that's not the exact number but you get what i'm saying especially if you're a real artist right because i care more about performing a great show versus some people they get that 200 they just be them and they dj they're gonna walk away but they done messed up their hard ticket sales because it's like i could have just sat at home listening to the car radio so i say this to say me being more proactive and realizing it's brand opportunities i can you know i have a you know this is my puma high level again shameless plug this is my shoe right here dog we gotta get you a pair of these okay you know i call these the janky all blacks

you know what i'm saying like they got a different color all black I mean, yeah, I got another I got you. Okay, they got gray red. I can see you some unexcluable Release joints. Okay, you may be past all black To be walking around all black you at 55 Yeah, now I'm still in a little janky phase in my life whenever I gotta get gritty nitty-gritty, you know, like man is producer man It's we got to put the ski mask on, throw your all blacks on. These are my sneakers right here, though, but shameless plug.

But, you know, me being able to do things with, you know, Puma and all of these different brands. So just, it's so many, I think that's the blessing now of hip hop. Like, I was in a Super Bowl commercial. I was in a Coca-Cola Super Bowl commercial, bro. If this is the 80s, the 90s, you got to be the biggest artist in the world in order to get in a Coca-Cola commercial.

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Listen to the Fantasy Footballers Dynasty Podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm not the biggest artist in the world, but I was able to be in a Super Bowl commercial with Martin Scorsese and Jonah Hill so I think that's the beauty of hip-hop now it's so many different avenues so many different streams of income like again we were saying we you can do a brand deal there's um equity plays that you can play to where like now I'm good on the money but let me get a percentage a percentage of that you can so. I have a call a week where I get pre IPO investments to where people, OK, you can put this amount or you ain't got put no money down.

If you sponsor this company, we'll give you a percentage of the company. And then five to seven years from now, when we sell this company to a Google or a larger company, you don't extend your percentage versus, let's say, give me a million dollars. They just give me 10% of the company. And so when they sell that company, now it's worth times 10. I just made $10 million. So it's just so many opportunities that it's a blessing for. How did you decide the record deal that was right for you? At the time, I didn't really do too much deciding with my like initial deal um it wasn't really uh too much deciding that I had to do if that makes sense you get what I'm saying but with the major label deal um just me sitting down with different partners um Sylvia Rohn she was amazing um so again with like that initial deal it wasn't really too much deciding going on, if that makes sense.

You know, just like it is what it is. You take what you can get. Exactly. To an extent, but whatever. That's a whole different story. But with my major label deal, I think Atlantic, Julie, Craig, Kaza, Success, Dallas, all of them was just the energy that was in the room at the time. You know, it was just a lot of energy going on. And they hustlers, and they like grinding. You know, they like putting in that work. energy that was in the room at the time you know it was just a lot of energy going on and uh they they hustlers and they like grinding you know they like putting in that work and so i just like to be

in an environment to where like i'm a priority i love to go because a lot of even not just with a major label you'll notice it with like an agent or lawyers a business manager what they do they name drop they'll be like oh yeah we represent this person this person they think they're gonna get you just because they got all these other big names but it's like I rather go to where I am a priority where I love yeah first name on the roster right for you to go to other clients and get them because you're using my name so I'd rather go to where I'm a priority and I'm loved you know I read where you are is it true that you live with your manager as you as you are

million that you don't make millions and you live with your manager as you as you are a million that you done made millions and you live with your manager yeah yeah i was living with my manager yeah yeah man listen dog i was just that was a tool to over extent but but yeah i definitely had a million dollars in my bank account was living there with a manager sleeping on his couch his girlfriend was pregnant at the time i was going to the how did you live with yourself hey it was pretty good looking at that bank account i was like hey didn't owe me tonight y'all didn't owe me tonight y'all but um i did the same thing i lived with my grandmother i lived in the back in the house that my brother and i got for my grandmother and i was a million had a ferrari parked outside of but i woke up i was like man i'm still living

in my grandma i'm still my back returning one day i woke up my bad to cut you off i woke up that couch wasn't hitting like it was supposed to i'm like let me get a spot real quick and then i was still figuring out if i even wanted to get a spot in that area you know so it was it was shout out to him what's what's been your since you you you've made some money what's been your favorite what's the favorite what's your favorite purchase hmm probably buying real estate um buying my mom a car um taking care of family you know just like and not like taking care taking care because i don't want to make it seem like my whole family just like here corday what you're gonna do for me but just like being able to be a blessing to others you know like truly like that

what really fills me like being able to be like, oh, we can do this. How do you know not how many blessings to hand out? Because sometimes, you know, you can they can they can make you a godlike figure. Just like the blessings are unlimited. Yeah, absolutely. I treat it. I got great advice from Jake Cole from that treated like credit. You know what I'm saying? Just OK, you don't borrow from the bank. You ain't pay off your loan or whatever the case may be. gonna borrow from the bank if you ain't pay off your loan or whatever the case may be you you six you in the 500s now but then also just not and not only blessings that we're able to present are just money a lot of the times the biggest blessing we able to present is opportunity correct get let you get your foot in the door due to this because of i've done kicked the door down

for us right so learning to plant those type of seeds in fertile ground versus planting seeds in fertile ground where you just keep having to plant it keep pouring your water in it but nothing's coming out of it and so just investing in people that's going to make the most out of the opportunity versus people that's like entitled and just going to do like the absolute bare minimum versus people like yo because i feel like uh gratitude is just so important man like even when somebody take care of my thing i'm like man i appreciate you i'm starting to learn not even learn but just show gratitude at the highest level like i've always had gratitude never had again we raised in the south we say please and thank you for

everything yes always have gratitude yes ma'am no but now i'm appreciative for just this tiny man the fact I done had a daggone Escalade had to come and pick me up from the house to bring me here. That's a blessing. You get what I'm saying?

So being appreciative of what we almost consider small things, but are so huge. So just having people around us, one, grateful for the opportunity, gratitude. You don't got to get down

on your hands and knees every day now, but just sometimes you show appreciation with your actions as well so that's one thing i'm really learning is learning how to plant seeds right in other people and give them opportunities for fertile ground because that's worth a lot more than just sending you a wire you know have you had any purchases that you regret like damn why did i buy that that was so unnecessary I bought a

house in Atlanta and I know long term it's gonna be good but man I had a car out there too I had a house in a car and and you know thankfully I'm super blessed like I own houses in different states some for rental properties and some just for whenever I go back home I got somewhere to stay so I bought something in Atlanta a crib in Atlanta a nice crib too super nice crib had a car that was just out there but I am never in Atlanta as much as I thought I was going to be and so I just shipped my car actually back in DC to where I'm out there a lot so I'm just like you know I'm just sitting on this car you know but um it's a blessing though I won't even look that as a bad purchase because it's

still real estate I can always sell it i can always do whatever it's whenever i got family in town my mom don't live too far from atlanta she go just stay there etc so i won't even call that a bad purchase um you ain't got no jewelry no watch no car no to be honest i haven't been like suit like you know this is paddock philippe baby I can always get my bread back you know what I'm saying for this now this is a gift actually but I don't really think I've spent like too much outlandish stuff cuz even on clothes like you look good you feel good you feel good you do good you do good they pay good and then also that's the business expense it's a write-off um I can't really think about bad money.

Because even if I spent like, say you go to the strip club one night, you drop five. It would never be an outlandish-ass price. You know, when you go to the club, when you go like the casino, I'm going to drop $500 maximum. You know what I'm saying? Like, I go to the club, I've never spent a dollar at the strip club. What, you paying a dollar slot? You're paying a penny slot. No, no, no. I? You're paying penny slots.

Nah, nah, nah, I be playing the roulette tables. $25 minimums. I ain't dropping too much on... Listen, I'll bet on myself. Right. Even on certain music videos, like a label will be like, okay, based on our projections, the amount of views we think this video gonna do, we gonna give you $75,000 for this budget.

But the creative plan that I have, the video costs $200,000, and so I'll spend out of my own pocket this video gonna do we're gonna give you 75 000 of this budget but the creative plan that i have the video costs 200 000 and so i'll spin out of my own pocket the difference in that 120 g's on the video but i look at that as investing right within my brand within my career within how i'm presenting my visuals want to give the fans a great video so honestly man i'm not gonna lie i haven't made like too much likes really dumb purchases on your first tour You were juice world. Yeah, and you see a lot of these young rappers dying So he OD'd and then you see a young dog get killed and you see pop pop smoke

What I mean when you when you see that you like maybe kidney think they my age Yeah, not and for real especially juice really hit me home cuz this was this is my brother right like for real like remember that combo we had before like yes yes this was my brother in real life so again my first tour ever i was on tour opening up for juice world and this is his first tour ever too like ever this is both of our first time hitting the stage during the tour and at that time i didn't have anything i was on his me and my homies was on his bus and it was only me and my boy tay and my dj but we're on his bus I didn't have anything. I was on his, me and my homies was on his bus. And it was only me and my boy Tay and my DJ. But we're on his bus.

We didn't even have enough money for our own Sprinter van. So we on his bus with him and his team. It was that. And I realized through touring now, like, that is not normal at all. Like, it's like openers. Y'all got your own thing. Headliners, we got our own thing. And so I'm with this fool every day.

Y'all got your own thing. Headliners, we got our own thing. And so I'm with this fool every day. We having conversations about God, about life, about family, about me. We love to freestyle. So we freestyling all day for six hours, just every single day. And so that was the genesis of the relationship. And we always kept in touch, talk to him, call him on Thanksgiving, how family doing. Like, this is like my real life brother.

Like, we probably kicked. I'll pull up on his full house 500 times. We only made one song. Like it wasn't even about the music. Like he a superstar. This man is a superstar. You know what I'm saying? At the time, but this is my man. We pulling up, pulling up on his house, man. We watch an anime. I fall asleep on his full couch, wake up in the morning. You know what I'm saying? It's like that. This is my real life homie and so when he passed i was um i was in dubai on the flight from dubai and um just woke up when i landed and got the news i'm just like bro what like shed a tear for my like this is again this is my real friend i just talked to him a week before for thanksgiving and um we was talking about this music because we did a song we was talking about

the music video because he called me he had this concept for this music video that he had he was like yo what if we did it um like it was a double excel freshman freestyle because he skipped out on that class he turned it down right he was like what if um we did a double excel freshman freestyle and I put out a lifesaver and I start like destroying all y'all whatever so I said this he was talking about the music video concept and then there's life about God like spirituality just like we talk about any and everything bro make jokes like talk about like every and anything bro so um matter of fact it's funny my first time at Coachella I just went to Coachella to watch him perform okay you get what I'm saying like me as an artist like usually you ain't going to no festival or nothing like that if you're not performing but I'm going there because

it's my boy's first time at Coachella support him my first time at Jimmy Fallon I was going there watching him like I'm with this this is my man's you get what I'm saying so um I was really affected by that that really like hurt me a lot um as far as Dolph and um Pop Smoke and PNB it's just like it's just it's just horrible man like it's just horrible to see so many people y'all done made it out the hood like Pop Smoke killed me because he got killed in Beverly Hills right he done made it out the hood made it out the trenches out of these environments being able to be that guy that break generational curses we're the people that break in generational curses in our family kicking down them doors opening up opportunities for everybody and then to be slain you know and that's why i move like

super private now to where like nobody's at my house unless it's like just knock down family i never threw no parties at any of my homes in any of the state No, I'm not like nobody there, you know, like it's just just like that even when my family I just got on my little brother for coming in time. Hey, bro. Don't just pop up. Yeah, no, no, you can pop up We never post nothing inside my house. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah That's a real I'm real adamant about that, you know, so just just safety man That's it is really a wake-up call like now I really got a move and and me i'm from me being from the hood i'm always man my mom always tell me remember when the beach headphones came out she's like don't be walking around the

neighborhood with them headphones and she started calling me walking one time 10 years old 11 12 years old whatever she's like what you doing walking around this neighborhood man with both your headphones in take one of them headphones out man like look around like stop be aware of your surroundings i learned that very young especially having a young mom who a single mom you know so i got i always was like super aware but now it just heightened that you know how have you been able to avoid the pitfalls of being a celebrity you know drugs are very commonplace in the entertainment in your business. Obviously, you have a lady now. So women aren't the thing. But how are you able to navigate the pitfalls that comes along with celebrity? Just balance. You know, maybe I'm not quite that famous yet to where, you know, because I can't speak for like a super A-list, you know.

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Like the level where I'm at, not saying I ain't no bum, you know what I'm saying? Right, right, yo, yo. Yeah, yeah, for sure, I'm doing my thing, but just trying my best to remain grounded, trying to keep good people around me that's not not afraid to tell me like if i'm slipping if i'm wrong if i'm you know on the wrong path and things of that nature so keeping good people around me keeping um again everybody around me that's gonna keep it 100 with me and and just also

realizing i'm responsible for me i gotta take accountability and it's just like man we can get this far to just fuck it up right you know we here to take this even further we're gonna here to take accountability and it's just like man we didn't get this far to just fuck it up right you know we here to take this even further we're here to take this to new heights to new levels higher levels high level you know and so i realized we'll come with that and just being responsible you know what mainstream artists what what was the person that gave you your first that your first opportunity like to be on the collab with him hmm at the time chance chance to wrap okay chance to wrap up for sure like he's still to this day he's a huge brand huge

art right um so him giving me that um that song with bad idea was just like a huge blessing and funny enough I met him at that Coachella meeting with Juice. Juice. You get what I'm saying? So a lot of times when you were going to these events, the Southwest and you're going to these different places, it was like networking. Yeah, that's the way I looked at it because I've been making music, bro.

I've been wanting to be a rapper since I was 10 years old. I've been making music almost every day or like knowing like this is what I'm doing in my free time. Whatever second hour I got, I'm making music since I was 15 years old. So I've been perfecting the craft and I'm still perfecting it, still getting better, still got new levels to get as far as creativity goes. But I was just like, yo, I'm making all of this music, but I got to really build relationships, man, because I can just keep dropping this song. but I got to really, I realized how important, you know, networking was and building relationships, long lasting ones was. So, but yeah, Chance was definitely the first like major artist that gave me that look. And he flew me and my homies out to Chicago, flew us all out first class. This before,

and I was still, I was popping at the time I was up, but I wasn't flying first class up. We still that new artist, you know, it's still okay if I sit in row 30B. You get what I'm saying? So he flew me and my homies out first class, got us in a five-star hotel. And again, I'm an artist, but I'm still, I'm having a million in my account, but I'm living with my manager at the time. So I ain't staying in a five-star hotel. I'm not flying myself first class. You staying in an Asperg hotel, huh?

Exactly. Boy, you hope something don't bad don't pop off. Man, listen, it's a janky wanky, janky. I mean, I'm looking at some of the people that you've been on with Stevie Wonder, Em, Wayne, Carmen, Nas, Groot, your man Wiz, Chris Brown, Meek, Young Thug, Young Thug, Gunna, Q-Tip, Lil Durk, Anderson. Yeah. So who were you most surprised like? You for real? You going to hop on this? You want your boy on this? Are you going to hop on this with me? Nobody, to be honest, was a surprise because when you got confidence in yourself, and not on no cocky stuff, but it was just like, I'm still grateful for it. It's still like, yo, wow, that's crazy. Anderson, again, this is my brother.

You know what I'm saying? I done kicked it with Anderson a million times before we did a record. So that's why our records always come across so easy so easy going and it's such a blessing but um I think M was definitely like because he's just like just so huge and obviously he's a gold too everybody you just listed right it's gold and it's a blessing because it's like some people say you are who you align yourself with you know or and sometimes that gives me the confidence when I'm talking to a Wayne you know or uh M or you know so many other uh great artists that like just have shown me love along the way when I'm doubting myself and I'm like having imposter syndrome and just again just doubt myself in a bad headspace when they give me the call I'll be

like y'all love what you're doing and etc cetera. Give me good advice. And the fact that they just called me and text me, it's still like a blessing. Like, man, like I am supposed, I am supposed to be here. It gives me a confidence, you know, like, man, I am supposed to be here. But when I got that call from him, it was just like, oh, like, yo, like, whoa, that's still him, bro. Like, that's crazy. Who haven't you worked with that you would like to? Hmm. That's crazy. Who haven't you worked with that you would like to? Hmm. I don't know, to be honest, man.

Hmm. Kareem Bailey Ray. Okay. Just on some like just different super artistic vibes. But Michael Jackson. I'd love to do a song with Michael Jackson. If I get them files you know if i can get them files we can make it happen i can make it happen we're gonna look we're gonna make a look how about this you if you said you turned down 90 of the songs that you asked to be on yeah why is that rate so high

um i think that was at my overthinking stage if that remember i told you pandemic i got time to think yes but i was just overthinking so some things i'll just be overthinking versus now it's just like okay if i love this song no matter how big or small and it makes sense then i'm gonna do it you know if i love the song and i like the song i'm gonna just do it you know that's what's most important to me so going back to that number of like me saying no to most stuff no and to huge names some names you'll be like are you dumb right no but it just comes out to me as an artist like you can't in the studio I can't think with a business mind I try not to think like on a business mind or money level you get what I'm? I just try to make it just purely creative because that's the pure part of it. And maybe that's not the best thing or not the greatest thing. But I feel like when the music, it just got to strike me creatively or I'm inspired to write something by it. You know, it's OK. I love this song. Let me see what paint I can add to this portrait.

Do you like when blogs tweet your album sales? Let me see what paint I can add to this portrait. Do you like when blogs tweet your album sales? No, I think it's just the time that we're in. Because even they was doing that in the 90s, in the 2000s. But I just think today, one, sometimes they be wrong. Right? Last time they said I did 19K, but I did like 25K.

But I'm not finna tweet and be like, man, y'all got me wrong. I ain't do 20,000 first week. I did 25,000 first week. You know? I ain't finna do that because it is what it is. And I just care more about my hard ticket sales. And even with my last album, it was a 10 song conscious album. So it wasn't like most people's songs, they're doing 20 song albums, 170 BPM, fast to pace where eight of my songs on that 10-song album is like damn near R&B paced, damn near D'Angelo-type paced records. And I feel like a first-week sale doesn't truly represent where an artist stands.

Because there's artists that do four times the first-week numbers that I do, but can't sell out the venues that I'm doing. So I'd much rather sell out the venues when I do a show, when I do a tour and them things selling out versus a big first week number, but I'll take them both. You're big into protesting. You speak out, you were arrested for the Breonna Taylor, you were protesting in Louisville, Kentucky,

outside the home of Kentucky General Daniel Cameron. You were arrested 24 more, in more than 24 hours. You defund the police at the 2020 US Open. You were at the protest in Minneapolis for George Floyd. Your significant other, Naomi Osaka, you know, she wore the mask with the black name, black victims of police brutality. He called out Kanye for being a supporter. Why at your age, why are we seeing more people that look like you your age

become so much more involved in their community as far as protests speaking out yeah well my experience was a little different because again like i was saying earlier like i was 10 years old and my stepdad had me reading uh marcus carvey reading w.E.B. Du Bois, Thurgood Marshall, Malcolm X, Martin Luther so I was young like before the term woke was a thing right I was quote-unquote whoa like I was in middle school elementary I was in middle school like nah brother we ain't African Americans we are Africans in America like I, I literally was, I was that kid in elementary school, middle school. And he's like, man, nigga, shut up. Like, I was that guy in elementary and middle school.

Like, just super, I always loved history class because I knew most of it all the way. And I was blessed, again, to where my stepdad would always just educate me, give me these books, things of that nature. Had me watching documentaries on Africa when I was 10, 11 years old to where I knew Africa was in huts and villages I knew it was the most like uh super modern I know Africa is the largest continent on earth when they trying to tell you it's Asia at the time and think that all life comes from Africa and all of these things and again even black history American history A. randolph all these good folks so i had that information and so i was again even in high school i was that same guy in college i was i went to the um um in college i went to the um mike brown you know trayvon martin protest so this

is something that's always been embedded within me the only difference is now i just have a platform so it's a highlight when right um i do it because like even with Breonna Taylor I didn't go there with my phone out and this and that this and I just happened to get arrested and because I'm you know Cordae it's the name about it it's going to make you know national news right etc etc so I just um just always speaking like what I believe in at the time, you know. And so when I feel like something is messed up and that's the beauty of social media is because movement, police brutality is getting highlighted to us. Always been going on. But now, like the whole world and the thing about 2020, the whole world know what was going on in America. It's still across the world. That's still going on going on you know everybody's able to see it people were being converted you know the things of that nature uh like more so converted to the movement and understanding what's going on for just human rights you get what I'm saying so um that's the

beauty of social media so it's just something that's always been like embedded within me you know I'm asking a two-part question here. Give me your Mount Rushmore rappers and then we give me Mount Rushmore of this generation rappers So I want you to go to the goat the Mount Rushmore Rappers who you think are the best of all time and then you give me your four of this generation. Okay Jay-z, okay Kanye West Kanye Nas Nas and Kanye West Kanye

Nas Nas And I would say Big L But he You know rest in peace He wasn't able to live You know as long

So we can't go off a fool That's my personal favorite Okay Big L I would have to put him right there Okay Emma Big L for that top four Okay

Emma Big L for that top four Oh emma big l for that top four oh wayne no no wayne so it's wayne it's in no order wayne hove naz and um who was the fourth kanye west that's my top four okay this generation i mean obviously you gotta go with the big three drake um j cole okay kendrick okay um and that fourth spot, you got to get at the Future. Okay. Future or Nicki. One of those two. Do you think, uh, Drake going to crack that Mount Rushmore?

You can go Thug or Future or Nicki for that fourth spot. One of those three. I'm going Thug, Future, and Nicki. Okay. Since you saw your breast, okay give me your give me your mind rush more female rappers female rappers okay lauren hill okay all she needed was one album she got the job done i love the mtv i love the mtv unplugged album too okay lauren hill you got nikki okay um you got remi ma okay um You got Remy Ma. Okay.

Obviously, MC Shane, Real Roxanne. Let me see. And I'm going to be honest with you. I'm tapped in to female rap, but I'm not. And I know the predecessors, but Mount Rushmore. So top four or top ten? Top four. Top four.

Okay. Lauryn Hill. Lauryn Hill. Nicki Minaj. Nicki. R Top four. Top four. Okay. Lauryn Hill. Lauryn Hill. Nicki Minaj. Nicki. Remy Ma. Remy. And you got to go Lil' Kim for the culture just because she helped expand that, you know?

Okay. Okay. I like that group. I like that group. You were at the Warriors game. I mean, Michael B. Jordan had a very public breakup. Yeah. He was dating Lori Harvey. Yeah.

And you were at the game with him. Yeah, yeah. When the news broke and they put him up. I mean advice i mean did you say bro it's gonna be okay yeah sun will shine tomorrow the sun will come up tomorrow it hurts now because it's playing out publicly yeah yeah yeah um hmm i didn't really give any advice to be honest like we just there to enjoy enjoy the basketball game to be honest we just there man just there to enjoy the basketball game, to be honest. We just there, man. We got to go there on this jet, you know what I'm saying? Shout out my boy, you know what I'm saying?

Again, this is my brother in real life. This is my brother for real. Like, not the, this is my brother for real. So, we just was enjoying the game, to be honest. We just had the game. We're able to watch the finals. It's a blessing, you know, being able to watch the finals, courtside watching stuff. So to be honest,

it wasn't even like not even trying to be political or anything. It wasn't even a topic of conversation. It was just more like, and we're here to watch this game. Right.

And you just happened to be there when the story broke. Yeah, because, you know, social media and the news, they can be off as far as just everything. Right. You get what I'm saying?

They don't even know. It might have been over for two months. Exactly months and then social media just getting a hold of it and then yeah exactly so yeah it wasn't even a topic of conversation to be honest so we just enjoyed the game so it was tight yes or they thank you glad we could finally get in there yes sir absolutely to get it in. Yes, sir. Absolutely. Wake up with football every morning I've been grinding all the big guns from NFL media like Colleen Wolf. Subscribe today and you'll immediately be smarter and funnier than your friends. Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What happens when a professional football player's career ends

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