Club Shay Shay - Could Aaron Rodgers HURT TOMLIN + NFL’s ATTACK on Shedeur Sanders!

Episode Date: July 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Aaron Rodgers putting Mike Tomlin on the hot seat, Shedeur Sanders falling to the 5th round in the 2025 NFL Draft, and Darius Slay’s surprising comments about Jalen Hurts. Don’t miss this QB-packed episode! 0:00 - Could Aaron Rodgers get Mike Tomlin fired? 20:41 - Shedeur Sanders falls to 5th round   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. People that were hard on me are not here no more. So I'm hard on myself. You know, make me cry. Listen to you versus you on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who are the 25 greatest football players to grace the gridiron since the year 2000? Introducing NFL Daly's top 25 players of the last 25 years. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and an all-star cast of media personalities including Mina Kaim, Steve Weisch, Kevin Harlan, and more for a look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's

top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's your favorite sports monk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho cry. All right, let's get into this NFL news. Guys, the Steelers have found their starting quarterback. Aaron Rodgers put pen to paper on a one-year deal.

He signed a one-year $13.65 million of passing the physical at the team facility on Saturday, sources told Adam Schefter. The deals include 10 million guaranteed and with incentives can reach 19.5 million. Ocho, let's go to you. What do you think? What are your expectations from Aaron Rodgers and what will he give the Steelers? Hey, listen, what he gives the Steelers,

he gives the Steelers hope. He gives the Steelers organization, he gives the Steelers fans, he gives them hope. You look at the AFC North, it's dominated by Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and I'm not sure what the Cleveland situation is gonna look like, but Flacco obviously has- Inside track to start.

Yeah, inside track because he's been to AFC North before being in Baltimore and having success in Cleveland when he came in to start for Deshaun Watson when he got hurt. So Aaron Rodgers is better than everything that the Steelers have outside of him at the quarterback position And that's no disrespect to them that's no disrespect to Mason Rudolph and

Whoever else they have there to have at the helm But Aaron Rodgers if he can show glimpses just glimpses of what he was once in the past I think they would be okay. They have enough pizzas around him obviously DK Metcalf I'm not sure who the running back is. They got Austin. Yeah, Austin the third. And they got Robert Woods. Oh, and Robert Woods is there. He has a nice supporting cast around him. And you need the supporting cast to be on point to make his job easier because Aaron Rodgers is not in a position again to elevate those around him. He's going to need the help from those he's surrounded by.

What do you think, Judon? What do you think about this deal? You like it? Oh, well, I think the Steelers are like, they get hurt from the greatness of Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin always going to have them in contention. So they can't go and farm a quarterback from the draft. So I think this is their best pick. There's nobody else out there. There's nobody else, unless you want to make a trade, but nobody really trading no good quarterback like that. And so if Aaron Rodgers can come in and complete passes and be good in the locker room and do enough, they're going to be in the playoffs again because just how Mike Tomlin has had that physical defense, they always going to have a great pass rush with Cam and TJ. So it's going to be hard for them to

be bad. They just can't mess it up on offense. The team announced that Rogers will wear the number eight. He wore the same number in New York after wearing 12 in Green Bay. Terry Bradshaw wore number 12, and though it's not officially retired, the team doesn't typically give out that number. I think Joe Green, 75.

I think Ernie Stoutner, 70. I think it's like three numbers that are officially retired, but I don't think they've given out like 32, whatever the number is, another number. I don't think they've given out 58, 47, like male blunt, but there are certain, obviously from that steel curtain era in which they won four Super Bowls in six years,

some of those guys have numbers and even though they're not officially retired, no one I don't think has worn those numbers since. But I know, I think Joe Green, yep, Franco Harris, okay, Ernie Stoutner, D Tackle, his numbers retired, 70. Joe Green, 75, Franco Harris, okay, Ernie Stoutner, D Tackle, his number is retired, 70. Joe Green, 75. Franco Harris, 32.

Numbers not officially retired but not reissued. Terry Bradshaw's 12. Troy Palamalu, 43. Jack Lambertz, 58. Jack Ham, 59. Dermotty Dawson, 63. And number 86, Hines Ward. Well, 86 retired?

Is not retired, but they haven't reissued it to anyone since Hines left. You know, also, you know, Aaron Ward ate at New York, but you know he was ate at Cal too now. He was at Cal, yeah. Yeah, at Cal, he was ate. So hopefully he can get some of that, some of that Cal Berkeley magic back in the system.

Right. You know, to help those Steelers out because listen, if, if, if he- That's a very tough division at the top. Yeah, listen. Yeah, you got the Ravens and Cincinnati. Yeah, yeah. If he doesn't play well, if he doesn't play well,

you know, players get coaches fired now. Yeah. And Tomlin could be on the hot seat for making, obviously he had him wait. He had the whole organization waiting. hot seat for making, obviously he had him wait. He had the whole organization waiting. He's coming and obviously he signed because they got Minicamp coming up very soon, mandatory Minicamp, and he wants to be a part of that,

which is also a good thing. That's a good sign. That lets me know that he's buying in as opposed to what he did last season out there in New York. So that's a good thing, but I think that they have a bad season. You think Mike Tomlin on the hot seat? No, he just signed the extension. That don't matter.

What that mean? They pay that out every year. They were, they was already talking about it last year. Bro, the Steelers haven't fired a coach since 69. I was born in 68. I'm about to be 57. So they haven't fired a coach since 69. I was born in 68, I'm about to be 57. So they haven't fired a coach in 56 years. And you just said, Judon, the man hadn't had a losing season.

He never gonna have a losing season. He trained them so well. They played so hard for Mike Thomas. He ain't never gonna have a losing season. That's enough, that's enough, huh? Just having, just having, just, just. You know, I don't think it's enough, because he the one that said the standard is the standard.

Well, if the standard is getting to and competing for a football, they hadn't competed for a football in a long time. They had, nobody thought, even though they make the playoffs, Otis, man, the Steelers are a threat. When was the last time that someone thought the Steelers would be a threat in the playoffs?

Well, when they had Pallimalu, when they had Ike Taylor. Man, Paul Amalu retired, he in the Hall of Fame. So he had to wait at least five years to get into the hall. So we talking about at least at the bare minimum five. Well, you asked when, that's when they had to wait, when their identity was their defense. There hadn't been a serious threat since then. But do you mean, did I mean change? Did I mean change? We ain't been a serious threat since Ben. But do you mean, did that mean change?

Did that mean change? We ain't been a serious threat? Or we have been so consistent that we just haven't got the right person. They haven't had a quarterback that's theirs since Ben. Whose fault is that? Theirs. Consistency.

They had an opportunity, they could've, when they had Ben Roethlisberger and they thought Bram was gonna play like Tom Brady, you know he wasn't because he'd been involved in too many crashes. He's taking too much punishment. So what you do is that what good teams do, what did Kansas City do?

Draft the quarterback and they still had one on the roster. What did Baltimore do when they had Joe Flacco? You were there, they a quarterback. You see what good team what the Green Bay do draft the quarterback What the Green Bay do with Aaron Rodgers draft the quarterback? You see what everybody does you don't wait if you wait till your car break down side the road is too late. You already stranded Okay. All right, but is that Mike fault? Yeah, he making a Okay, all right, but is that Mike fault? Yeah. Yeah. He making a, is he making a mistake? So you don't think Mike got no say?

You don't think Mike got no say? If he say, get us a quarterback, get us a quarterback, please get us a quarterback, and they don't get us a quarterback, how y'all gonna get mad at me? You know, also- You give Mike all that, you give all that Mike credit and say he never gonna have him,

he never gonna have him in a losing situation. So who drafting those players, the dream or Mike Tomlin? Yeah. I mean, we don't know what go on in a war room, but you can't just say, well, it's Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin would want a quarterback. Hello, Ocho, Matthew. You mean to tell me a man that's been there

damn near 20 years, he ain't got no say? How long has gym been there? Not before, not as long as Mike Tomlin. How they, I ain't never heard of still is finding no gym or getting a new gym. Hey, I'll tell you what you ever heard of them firing the coach? Exactly. So my thing is when you dare that long, you have some say you have some sale free the 53 You have some say in free agency and you debt at night How long might Tomlin been there my coach Kyle retired in 2000. They won the Super Bowl in five He came back in six. So he retired in seven

He'd been there 19 years. Yeah, you not there's no coach that's been anywhere for 19 years That does not have say I Refuse to believe that I don't know who to do Hold on. I don't even think it's about say I think about the relationship that Ben Rothenberger might have had with upper management With those great relationship with my Tomlin to no no no no no no no no no no no no no no No, because if Mike Tomlin Mike Tomlin is a No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, because if Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin is a head coach.

He's been in NFL for a very long time. Yes. Mike Tomlin knows at some point I'm going to have to find your successor. At some point, you look at the landscape of the league, those that didn't do it, look what's happening now. Ta-da, the Steelers didn't do it. That's why I think that the calling

was above Mike Thomas' pay grade. I disagree. Your starting quarterback, your franchise quarterback is getting paid more than the coach. Yes. I guarantee it. Dumb-dumb relationships might be a little stronger than the coach, even though the coach been there longer,

he more a teenager. I think that's right. Well, I mean, we paying this dude only 17 million a year. We paying this dude 50. We understand that Mike Tomlin had a very strong relationship. He's always had a very strong relationship with his star players.

We know that based on the history, we know that Ben and when AB was there and a lot of these other guys, we know how he feels about his great players. But in order to keep this from happening to you, if you do not get a bridge, if you wait till somebody burned your bridge down, how the hell do you get to the other side?

I gave you examples, Kansas City, Alex Smith was a Pro Bowl quarterback. What did they do, Matt? Joe Flacco had won a Super Bowl. But when you see that, when you see that, they went and got, where's Buddy from Pitt? They went and got Kenny Pickett? Kenny Pickett.

Man, stop playing. Don't miss a You vs. You podcast. Join Lex Borrero every week as he sits down with some of the biggest names in entertainment to talk about the real stuff, the struggles, the doubts, and the breakthroughs that made them who they are. They go deep, covering childhood trauma, family, overcoming loss, and the moments that shape their journey. These honest conversations are meant to take the cape off our heroes with the hope that their humanity inspires you to become a better you and therefore set you free to live the life of your dreams.

Here's a sneak peek. I'm trained to go compete. I'm trained to be like harder. But sometimes that mentality stops you from stopping and smelling the flowers in your own garden. Is it wrong to want more? We migrated, our family migrated here. I'm like second generation. Listen to You Versus You as part of My Kultura podcast network, available on the iHeart radio

app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six-episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal, and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes, and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back, giving you NFL Daly's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know Tom Brady's on it.

Where's Patrick Mahomes? Mahomes is under the end zone! Touchdown! Kansas City! He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson? Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dart back and forth.

Oh! He broke his ankles! And he's got a touchdown. He is Houdini. You are going to have to listen to find out. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting on June 30th on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. He got so in the hands. See the fans picketing out front. No, no, we won't go.

Hell no, we won't go. But we got to put that on somebody. We got to put that on somebody. When somebody don't turn out in a draft, how you think they are, not saying he's a bad player, they didn't like him for the system, and they didn't like what he was doing, so they had to move on. Do you put that on the coach or do you put that on the person that selects and pays the players? I think the thing is that I believe there are drafts that they had better quarterback

options, and that's the thing. You can sit back and say, you know what, next year, this quarterback is good, but you have to move. What did the Green Bay do with Jordan? What did they do with Jordan Love? How much was they paying Aaron Rodgers? And after they signed him, they gave him a big deal. Yeah. Yeah, you gave him a big deal.

Hold on, why they gave him a big deal? He was pissed off. If you're, absolutely. And just like Brett Farr was pissed off when they did what? Drafted Aaron Rodgers. But I mean, yeah, Aaron Rodgers seen the situation play out. He already knew what was in the cards. So he said, all right, y'all not gonna play me

how y'all play Brett and just move on. I can't worry about one year. I gotta worry about the next 10, 15 years. So if you just worry about one year and one guy's feelings, you'll be stuck. All right, all right. So if you just worry about one year and one guy's feelings, you'll be stuck. All right. In those 19 years, I mean, I think the only player that would have

fell that far to them, which is a bad pick, was Lamar. No, it's not that you fall. You move up. Patrick Mahomes, they moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. They moved up to get Jordan Love. You don't have to stay up, see, you looking at a philosopher, let somebody fall into my lap.

No, if there's somebody, you move up to go get them. And that's where what I say comes into play, Unc, not pissing off your franchise quarterback. I think the relationship with Ben Roethlisberger and management and GM and president was much stronger than that of whatever Mike Tomlin might have wanted. You think Mike Tomlin didn't want a quarterback when he realized Ben, okay, you're not moving the same or Ben, you can't throw the same or you know the velocity on the ball is not the same. Mike Tomlin can see that stuff.

Yeah. Didn't have to say so, regardless of being the coach for 19 years, to go and get who we wanted. But here's the thing, you still got, you maintain that great relationship. Now how you looking to fart, cause the Steelers, what's the standard for the Steelers? When we think of Steelers, we think of what Ocho?

Championship. Championship. No, no, CEC, no. You think of defense. So you think of, you think of steel, Mike Townley, that's his defense. That is his deal. Whoever put-

Ju, Ju, they abandoned that. When they got Ben Roethlisberger and they had Antonio Brown and they had Le'Veon Bale, they've been abandoned the defense. When they had the triple B's, they were throwing the ball. Ben Roethlisberger got two 5,000 yard seasons. He's got four or five hundred yard games

They've been abandoned that They just had they had a they had a supposed offense for Five six years they had like they had supposed of offense. They always had a good wide receiver They always had a good wide receiver somebody that will get the ball take the top off. They always gonna have that somebody that can go get the ball, take the top off. They always gonna have that defense. When you think still as you think hard hit and defense, you know when you hear that, hey mama rockin' it.

You hear that, don't do it. You know that defense about to do something. You know that defense about to do something. You know it's gonna be cold, rainy, wet when you go in there. The grass ain't worth nothing, but your defense gonna have to come to play.

And so if you're gonna beat the Steelers, you have to keep the ball, you have to know how to run the ball, and you have to eliminate explosive plays from their offense. That's how you beat the Steelers. But when's the last time they've had explosive plays from the offense? Ben Roethlisberger's been gone. A B's been gone.

Le'Veon Bell been gone. So when have you known the Steelers to have explosive play? And that's why that's why George Pickens left the building. George George Pickens want to be he want to he want to dance he want to he want to be in the end zone. He want to he want to do that. That's why George Pickens left the building. He said, I need the limelight. I want to see how that feel.

He wanna be Jamar Chase. He seen what that looked like in the division. And he said, I can't get that here. Right. Matthew, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Best of luck in free agency. Come back when you when you get something penciled in, come back and join us and let us know where you're going. All right. I got y'all. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, bro. My pleasure, dude. All right, my boy. Oh, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, before you start, like,

like real quick, real quick, I just want to say something to you. I'm gonna say it in code a little bit. You understand what I'm saying? Even though it's Mike, I don't think he has the pool, even though he's the head coach to override pissing off the franchise quarterback. Stay with me. I get you what you're saying,

but he got more pool than you think. No, yeah, absolutely, because he's been there so long. But with that centerpiece, that been there that long, the relationship's been up. I'm not saying he's got had Bill Belichick pool. I'm not saying he got Andy Reid type pool. But he might be next in line when it come to pool. Right, right, right, right.

I got you, I got you. We're on the same page. Because think about it. They went out, they got Joe Flacco, who led them to a Super Bowl. Yes, sir. What they gonna do? They trade back into the first round,

give up next year's first round pick to get Lamar. Hey, you know you can see it, right? You know you can see it when your player is declining. Yes! Things aren't the same, especially at the quarterback position. You can see it. The funny thing about it is,

how much do players, or how much are they self-aware that they're declining? They're the it starts slipping. It's hard because Ocho you don't want to believe it because you've been great for so long you don't want to believe it. Yeah. And so you lie to Ocho. Lie to yourself? You lie to yourself. You lie to yourself. Hey, boy, you turn that film on and be like, who is that? Damn, boy, I said damn, he moving slow. I'm like, oh shit, that's me. I said, man, who run like they got on Tims? Who run it like they got Tims on the field?

Well, that camera, that eye in the sky will embarrass you. Yes, yes. It will embarrass you. Yes. Ocho, Adam Sandler to cast Dick. Well, we ain't got, I mean, we ain't got, what you call him? No.

Oh, you just wrote that in there. You just wrote this tweet in there. Wham, wham, wham, wham, wham. Yeah, Jordan Tuck. Yeah. Jordan Tuck made a good point on Twitter. Imagine moving on from George Pickens, thinking the locker room distraction

only to end up with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback. Well, I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a different type of distraction, a different type of distraction. Now obviously I think he's not gonna cause any problem because his leash is short. Because if you mess- No it ain't. Let the she-

You see his backups are? His leash long. Oh, listen if you mess this- No it ain't. Let the sheesh. You see his backup, sir? His lease long. Hold on, listen, you mess things up in Pittsburgh, where's your next destination? Where's your next- He don't get home. Oh, okay. I mean, think about it, he decided to eat.

That's what I meant. You don't have the leverage you once had, where you were sought after, where you won the best in the league. You still living off that past resume, which is why they still wanted and waited for you to sign this late before mandatory mini camp because they don't have any other options.

Right. So. And at year 21, I mean, this is gonna be a 21st season. How many more seasons do you think he really wanna play? He wanna subject himself, getting up, studying film, studying film all day Monday, studying film all day Tuesday, watching film after practice on Wednesday, Thursday. And you know, how long you think Aaron Rodgers

wants to do that? Yeah, listen, hey, when you see what the AFC North like, ain't no telling. This might be where he might be one and done after this season. That's my point. I mean, at 20, I mean, you take it, first of all, once you get to a certain number of years,

you take it at, I probably quarterback, other positions probably take it year 10. Quarterbacks probably take it at year 15. Yeah. Especially the way they protect them now. So he's gotten six years past year 15. Yeah. And like, I don't think you tried to eclipse Tom

and try to play 24. You think you tried to play 24 seasons? I ain't no telling. Ain't no telling because I obviously they will continue to sign him in the one year deals if things go well. Listen. I mean, that's a very 10 friendly contract. I mean, 13, 13 and a half million dollars

with 10 guaranteed. That's nothing. Nothing. Nothing. That's nothing. Listen nothing. Nothing. That's nothing. Listen, I love the Steelers. I don't want them to do well. I want them to do well, except when they play the Bengals. I want DK Metcalf.

I want Calvin Austin III. And I want Robert Moore. They have phenomenal- Robert Woods. Robert Woods. I'm sorry. Robert Woods. They have phenomenal seasons.

Like, they can, I just want to see them do well. For Mike Thomas' sake. Steelers fans have always been good to me. I fucking want to see them do well for Mike Thomas sake. Still a fan that's always been good to me. I fucking love all of them. But when you play the bangles, y'all can get y'all ass. Don't miss the You Versus You podcast. Join Lex Borrero every week as he sits down with some of the biggest names in entertainment to talk about the real stuff, the struggles, the doubts, and the breakthroughs that made them who they are. They go deep, covering childhood trauma, family, overcoming loss, and the moments that shaped their

journey. These honest conversations are meant to take the cape off our heroes with the hope that their humanity inspires you to become a better you and therefore set you free to live the life of your dreams. Here's a sneak peek. I'm trained to go compete. I'm trained to be like harder, but sometimes that mentality stops you from stopping and smelling the flowers in your own garden. It's wrong to want more. We migrated, our family migrated here.

I'm like second generation. Listen to You vs. You as part of My Kultura podcast network Available on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal,

and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back, giving you NFL Daly's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know, Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes? He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson? Jackson takes it himself.

Look at him dart back and forth. Oh, he broke his ankles and he's got a touchdown. He is Houdini. You are going to have to listen to find out. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. The moment we've all waited for. Shadour Sanders is drafted.

144 in the fifth round. The Browns traded up to select him. All these anonymous reports are coming out about Shador having bad interviews, especially with the Giants. According to Todd McShea, Shador completely bombed his interview with the Giants. He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dayball. The preparation wasn't there. For an install package, Dayball called him out and Sanders didn't like it.

Dayball has gone 8- 26 over the past two seasons, so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared, to be honest with you. I mean, you go eight and 26. You go eight and 26 being unprepared. You would know an unprepared person when you see one, considering over the last two years, that's kind of exactly what you've been. And then there's been reports of him having a big entourage,

because his brother shoots videos of him being in family. He's with his brother and his family. No drinking, no drugs, no controversy, just living his life. Ocho, this is, I'm gonna start with you first. Yeah. Hear that he didn't do well in the interview. Yeah.

He didn't hit it off with Coach Dayball, and seemed like he was unprepared. Uh, didn't like the entourage. Okay, go ahead. Right. I don't believe it, huh? I don't believe it, because every single NFL player, every single, when I say every single, I mean every single, has an entourage. Most of the entourages is family and friends.

If it's not family and friends, it's friends that you grew up with. Everybody has that. So I'm not sure why that even came into play. And we talk about everybody, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity, it doesn't matter. So that's one thing. Interview. Interview goes bad. I'm prepared. Now I think I'm thinking about a son of one of the greatest players of all time who's always been prepared and coached and having tutelage from one of the best of all time. And for some reason, all of a sudden, he wasn't prepared for an interview when it comes to the game of football in which he's a quarterback.

Again, that's something else that's not believable. Now, you know, media can screw things and report things that obviously aren't true. Bingo. Forget that. So he drops to the Cleveland Browns. Round five, what? Pick 144. What was it? 145? 144. I'm not even tripping at this point.

I'm not even tripping at this point because Prime obviously is prepared to do it for any and everything. Dealing with media, dealing with those that doubt you. So, I'm just happy he has this opportunity. Because what's happening in this scenario, in this situation, in which I still believe is collusion, I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race at all.

I'm just spea... I'm just saying a collective collusion against Brother Sanders and all the things and then just the hype and listen, the machine again, I said it last night. I said it last night. We have choices. People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday. I'm not talking about race at all. One thing for sure, the machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated.

Anytime it feels not really threatened, but there's another name or family that thinks they can come in and do things their way, they'll humble you. And this was an example of it, an example of it that we've never, ever, ever seen before that is magnitude on. We've never seen anything like this. I'm happy for Shadour, I'm happy for Shiloh.

And for Chidur Sanders, getting the opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns. His situation is simple as put. It's delayed, but it's not denied. It's not about where you go, it's what you do once you get there. So now you know what you need to do. The Browns haven't had a quarterback. They haven't had a quarterback,

a sufficient quarterback, a consistent quarterback for a very long... Bernie Kozar. Hey, we have since Bernie, for a very long time. This might be their calling. This might be their blessing. This might be his blessing even going there. So I'm happy for him. He's gonna do what's necessary.

I'm sure he had the chip on his shoulder. And I'm excited because in that AFC North, you know, it run through Cincinnati. And the only way you're going to get it done is if you got a quarterback. I just had to add a little piece in there. I saw that. I saw you throw that in there.

What'd you think of Dwayne? Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean, I feel for him. Obviously, you know, you work so hard and it's tough when you project to go first round. I had a situation once. Obviously, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean, I feel for him. Obviously, you know, you work so hard, and it's tough when you project to go first round. I had a situation once. It's obviously not the same,

because basketball is totally different as far as the number of people that get picked. But I was with my best friend, Nazeem Mohammed, was supposed to be picked lottery when he came out. And Naze led to 29, and just sitting there, obviously it was nothing like, so you had to actually wait a whole nother day

to get drafted. But just to see him slide, huh? You waited two days, he got drafted today. They had to draft Thursday and Friday. So he had to wait two days, so it's different. But I think like this, to be honest with you, I think you have to play the game, Shannon, to be honest with you.

I think if he would have, I'm just gonna play the game till I get drafted. Whatever that would have been, whatever, and I think if he would have played, I'm just going to play the game until I get drafted. Whatever that would have been, whatever. And I think sometimes that's what not, and I'm not sure this, you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, because it seems like, I've never seen an agent. And obviously I'm watching from afar, I'm watching it on TV, on social media.

Do we have an agent? I don't know. I bet Shiloh made a joke, talking about our dad was our agent and we might need to hire a new agent. Okay, right, I don't know. I bet Shiloh made a joke, talking about our dad was our agent, and we might need to hire a new agent. Okay, right, I don't know. Because I think you know how this is. Sometimes you have an agent, he can tell you the truth behind closed doors,

of what they're actually saying, and what you need to work on. So, by Deon being the dad, he's probably not really hearing everything. They probably can't tell him. So, he's not hearing everything that they're saying. So I think that was probably one mistake and I don't know if he had agent or not. So if the agent, to kind of buffer that,

to talk to him and kind of figure it out. But you got to figure this thing out, man. I think one thing about it, it was about interview. I don't think a skill set. I mean, put the numbers up. The numbers speak for themselves. You had the numbers. So we got to look at some of the other stuff.

I mean, I worked out for nine teams when I came out. I interviewed with the numbers. So we got to look at some of the other stuff. I mean, I worked out for 19s when I came out. I interviewed with 19. So you got to go through that process. I'm not sure how he interviewed. Maybe that was a little sketchy. That can rub some GMs and the Zex the wrong way. You know, sometimes if you don't interview well.

Maybe the swagger, what he's coming with. Great family, family dynamics, his family's gonna support him. Obviously, he has a certain swag, a certain aura that he carries with him, which we all love and we just talked about that. We like that. We talk, all three of us talk trash. We all celebrate it. We all have fun. So we know that, so that's not the problem. We brought our own style, so that wasn't the problem with them. I just felt like they didn't play the game that everybody else played,

and they wanted to show them... that, look, it's still the NFL. We still run this. You still gotta go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's what it looks like. You can't look at his... If you look at his numbers, his skill level, the guys that got picked before him, all this stuff, it doesn't make sense. and I think that's what it looks like. You can't look at his, if you look at his numbers, the skill level, the guys that got picked before him, all this stuff, it doesn't make sense.

So it's gotta be something behind the scenes. It can't be football ability, it has to be something behind the scenes. That's why I said if he had an agent, maybe somebody that could hear the noise, cause he probably didn't hear the real noise. You know what I mean? We on TV watching all the analysts and everybody,

but, you know, y'all pervaded so much information. Y'all only pervaded so much. We're not hearing that real noise. You know what I mean? So that's what, sometimes your agent gets there for you to kind of help you out and maybe help you get your act together. That's why I really wanted to know if he had an agent.

But, you know, the funny thing about it, Tuan, even at that point, you are who you are. Shadour is who he is. The that point, you are who you are. Shadour is who he is. The Sanders family, they are who they are. That's it. And they've always been unapologetically themselves. And that rubs a lot of people wrong.

A lot of people don't like that. Including some of those in the NFL. Some of the things that Dion has said in the past, they probably didn't like. They probably didn't like it. You know, he wanted to pull an... Archie and Eli. Archie Manning. He wanted to pull, you know, with Eli.

That probably, they probably didn't like it. They quoting tweets that he said a long time ago. And I know, let me tell you why I know this is all collusion. You know, I think about some, like, um, like going... You know what? I'm not even gonna bring that up. I'm not gonna bring it up. Um, I'm happy he got where he needed to go. This is exactly where we're supposed to land. Because I guarantee you, watch it be a blessing in disguise,

and them never having a quarterback, and all of a sudden, for some reason, Shadour being the answer for the next decade. Hope you're right. Can I ask you guys something? As a... I'm a basketball guy. I want to ask you some, Chad. You can ask this because you're right. Watch what happens. Can I ask you guys something? As a, I'm a basketball guy. I want to ask you some, Chad, you can ask this cause you're talking right now.

Can you answer this? Is the Cleveland the right fit for him? Cause sometimes, let's disregard what number he went. Did he go to a good situation where he can actually be able to showcase himself and have a real opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL? Do you guys like that situation?

If the GM and the owners are competent, when his time comes to be able to compete for a starting job, if they continue to build around him, yes, it's the right place. If they continue to do right by the quarterback position, like other teams are doing, like they do for the Mahomes, and they do for the Jalen Hurts, and they do for, you know, the other quarterbacks, the Jaden Daniels,

as you continue to put the pieces to the puzzle around him, why you have a quarterback on a very, very... cheap, I hate using that word cheap, but you know, a very affordable contract. Rookie contract. Yeah, I think he's in the right place. But if they do what they've always done for a very long time, where they've been through 276,000 quarterbacks, then it would be the same process repeat itself.

They had Baker Mayfield, you had the number one pick. There was nothing wrong with Baker Mayfield because look what he's doing to Tampa Bay. So that tells you where the problem lies. The problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now you got opportunity again. Let's not eff it up. Yeah, I do. I love when the young quarterbacks come in

and have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that's really smart schematically, knows how to diagram plays, Ocho knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation. You have a decent running back. I'm not saying you need Saquon. I mean, although that would be nice to have a Saquon Barkley and a Derrick Henry on a rookie quarterback, but you need quality receivers.

You see CJ Stroud where he went and had success. Look at the receiving court that he had. You look at Jane Daniels, look at the receiving court that he had. You look at Jayden Daniels, look at the receiving court that he had. The question is, are there enough pieces around any quarterback, regardless if it's a rookie or not, is there enough pieces around him so he can adequately do what he needs to get done? I think Stefanowski is an unbelievable coach. He's a coach of the year.

He knows how to call plays. He knows how to scheme plays. And so now it just comes down to, OK, when you get your opportunity, you got to shine. You got to prepare like there's no tomorrow because that's already out there. Oh, Joe, you see what they're saying? He was unprepared. You see what they did, don't you? See, we already put that out there on you now.

Hey, that's the game. They don't play the game. They're going to play the game. There's only one way you can beat the game. That's in between the lines. Yeah. No matter what to say, it blocks out all the noise. You can only beat the game in play the game. There's only one way you can beat the game, huh? That's in between the lines. Yeah. No matter what they say, it blocks out all the noise. You can only beat the game in between the lines. That's it. No matter what they say.

But I will say this, Ocho. I don't know if they're going to allow Bucky to go in and film everything that Shadour's doing. That's over. That's over. Now, when you're at Colorado and your dad's the head coach, they're going to allow that. That's over with now. Yeah, I mean, they understand that.

But I thought he was the video guy. I thought he's the video guy. No, you ain't gonna have no personal video guy. Yeah, you can't do that. Once you enter that building, once you're on grounds in that facility, all that's done. Yeah, and so, yeah, and so that's... Having an aunt so, yeah. And so that's, that's having an entourage. Yeah. I don't, and like I said, I don't know.

I don't know if he went to the building and they tried to go into meeting rooms and Bucky was trying to capture content. He doesn't have an agent because time agent was Eugene Parker. Rest is sold. Eugene passed away several years ago. And so I'm sure time, Time will probably interview somebody now.

And I agree with you, Twon, probably. And that's the thing, because you have an agent and they hear things and they can tell you things. Now they're gonna, all the really, really bad stuff, they ain't gonna share that with you because they don't wanna mess with you mentally. Means, yeah. But they'll share enough of stuff with you

so you get the picture and get a great understanding of what's actually going on. So, go ahead. Hey, if I'm not mistaken, I saw, you know, obviously my agent was, obviously when I first got illegal and Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude, did really well for me. You know, in the back end of my career, in the middle on the back end, it was Drew Rosenhouse.

And if I'm not mistaken, I saw Drew Rosenhouse post for Shiloh Sanders once he got drafted. So I'm assuming Drew Rosenhouse must be representing Shiloh. I'm not sure if he represents Shidur though. Right, I get it. Because okay, the current quarterback room,

Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shidur Sanders. Deshaun Watson, starter. Flacco is a vet if Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shadour Sanders. Deshaun Watson, starter. Flacco is a vet if Deshaun can't go. You got Kenny Pickett, the backup. Dylan Gabriel, rookie. Shadour, rookie. Fifth. What going on? I mean, damn.

What's really going on? What's really going on, Ocho? Hey, I like to compete. I ain't got no problem with it. I like to compete. Who I need to beat out? I love Kenny Pickett. I love the game. I don't know how you beat Deshawn out when he got another 48, got $38 million this year

and another 40 million next year. How you beat him out? Deshawn ain't... Hey, he not... Deshawn not playing this shit on? Okay, he not gonna play this shit. Okay, so now you got... He got ACL, right? ACL. Yeah, you got... Achilles, Achilles.

Achilles, Achilles. Yeah, so listen, I'm gonna take... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so listen, I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna play out. I love Kenny Pickett. I love Kenny Pickett. I love that, you know, Brother Gabriel. But, Shador, if he does what he's supposed to do, you know, we've seen Kenny Pickett already. We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet. But I'm just saying, I know probably

Flacco gonna start. He gonna start. At some point, she's gonna get a shot. At some point, he gonna get that shot. And when the door opens... Let me ask both of you guys. Let me ask both of you guys this. Why would Cleveland do...

Why would Cleveland do that? Why would Cleveland want a quarterback when we're five guys? Does that bring up a... Does that mean anything? When taking him... Why would Cleveland do that? Why would Cleveland want a quarterback when we're five guys? Does that bring up, does that mean anything? With it taking him? Yeah, they're gonna keep three. Yeah.

They're gonna keep three. Oh, okay. But Deshawn is not playing this year. I keep forgetting he's not playing. He's not playing until like January or February or something like that. You're right, I forgot. He ain't playing.

You might as well just go ahead and put him on IR and go ahead and let that go. What I don't get, Cleveland, at some point in time, y'all gotta stop trading back. Y'all could have had Julio Jones, you traded back. You could have had Travis Hunter and Shadour, and you traded back. At some point in time, when guys are sitting there

waiting for you to take them, take them! Take them, it's okay. But I guess they're looking at it like, I'm waiting for you to take them. Take them. Right. Take them, it's okay. But I guess they're looking at it like, we're more than one player away. But sometimes that player could help change things around. I don't get it. I don't get what they're doing with this situation. Like you said, Twon, he had an unbelievable college career.

He played well at Jackson State, and then they say, well, yes, Jackson State, that's why you're doing that. He goes to Colorado, he puts up some successful numbers. You know, great completion percentage. He throws guys open. No, he's not the most athletic guy, but he's not a decathlete. He don't need to high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot putt,

hurdle, 100, 400, 1,500. He only can do all that. All he needs to do, can he take three? Can he drop back five? Can he zone read? Can he do the stuff? Can he process information in a hurry? That's what a quarterback needs.

He needs to be confident. He needs to be able to process information in a hurry, and he needs to be able to retain information. I mean, he's shown you he can do that ever since he's, I mean, from middle school to high school to college. So let's see if that's transferable. I like to think that it is.

But you don't know. Twy, you know this. Same thing with all sports. You don't know what you have in the guy until you get him in your building and put him in your uniform. That's when you 100% know for certain what the hell I got. Yeah. Because all this other stuff where he won this award and he did all this and he did all of that.

And I've seen it. Having played in the NFL, guys come in and have all these credentials. And I like, I don't know how they... Hey, somebody gave you a fake passport. Because I don't know how you get all that. I don't know how you get all that. I don't know how you get all that. Let me ask you guys in football, is it about the number or is it more about the fit?

Fit, it's always gonna be fit. It's always gonna be fit. So do you guys think this is... So if you had to grade this fit, what would you guys go right now? I know you gotta go compete. I like New Orleans. If you had a great fit.

I would have liked New Orleans a little better. I would like New Orleans better too. But the thing is now, because, Twana, I was telling Ocho last night is that I went to a team, I was a big wide receiver. I went to one of the three teams that had the H-back position. Washington had the H-back position, the Broncos had the H-back position. Uh, Washington had the H-back position, the Broncos had the H-back position,

and, uh, uh, the Chargers, uh, San Diego, they were in San Diego then, had the H-back position. Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the biggest receiver. Coach Reeves come, hey, would you be willing to move the H-back? I'm gonna catch the ball? Yeah, if you throw me the... If you learn the plays, okay.

So, now, here I I am a big wide receiver. Imagine I don't go to a team that has the H-back position. So I switch midway through like a third of the way I have probably like week eight, week nine, week 10. They move me to like tight end. Ta-da. And the rest of that they say history. So it's absolutely where you go.

Not, I get it. Cause a lot of times, Tuan, you know this. First four or five picks, they get a boatload of money. Now you want to make a boatload of money for a short period of time or an extended period of time. Cause I had a 14 year career. There are a lot of guys that went in the first round, Ocho. They made money for a three, four year period.

I made money for a 14 year period. It's not how much money you make, it's how long you make money. And then what are you gonna do? It's not how much money you make, it's how much you keep. So it's absolutely, Twan, fit. Where you go, that fit.

And what they do for you, why you there? And it's better for him too, though. He's made a little money in the IELTS space too, so he's okay. He's made a little money in the IELTS space. Had he known what he known, he'd have stayed in college and made some more in IELTS money. He like, hell, if y'all gonna take me to field ground, he made more in IELTS,

and what is rookie contract gonna be, Ocho? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow, definitely is right. Wow. Listen, I think the situation in general is good for him. It puts a chip on the shoulder. Oh, this is how you feel about me? Okay, bet. Hold my beer. I got this. Watch me. I've faced adversity before.

I've had the hurdle obstacles before. This is just another one that's in the way. I'm going to show you, I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said I can. Oh, you feel I'm a fifth round pit? I mean, I'm a to show you, I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said I can't. Oh, you feel I'm a fifth round pit? I mean, I'm a fifth rounder? Okay, bet. I'm not tripping.

I'm not tripping at all. Again, Shadour's... Hey, chat, I know y'all can hear me. Shadour's situation is simple as this. It was delayed. It wasn't denied. That's all. Yeah. Now, when you get there, hey, do what you're supposed to do, It was delayed. It wasn't denied. That's all. Yeah.

Now, when you get there, hey, do what you're supposed to do, and everything else will take care of itself. Well, nobody cares where you got drafted at, and he had to wait and was so disappointed, and they prank calling him and doing all this other stuff. When you go do what you need to do, everything is fine. Yeah. Everything. On the You Versus You podcast, we welcome Polo Molina, music manager to the stars.

From Will.i.am and the Black Eyed Peas, Ty Dolla $ign, YG and Fergie. Here's a sneak peek. Are you so hard on yourself? That's the way I was raised. And the people that were hard on me are not here no more, so I'm hard on myself. You know, make me cry.

Listen to You vs. You on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Who are the 25 greatest football players to grace the gridiron since the year 2000? Introducing NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. Join me, Greg Rosenthal and an all-star cast of media personalities including Mina Keim, Steve Weisch, Kevin Harlan and more for a look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's Top 25 Players of the Last 25 Years starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

get your podcasts. This is iHeart Podcast.