Club Shay Shay - “Courtside Les” On Why She Only Dates Black Men, Pickleball With Cam Newton, & Living In Atlanta.

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

Truth After Dark family, we have an amazing guest, top podcaster, Courtside Les, who talked about growing up in Russia, playing pickleball with Cam Newton, only dating black men and so much more! Take out your favorite cup, pour yourself a glass of wine and get ready for The Truth After Dark!!!  #Club The Talk Les Show: https://www.youtube.com/@courtsideles Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/courtsideles/ Follow us: Azar Farideh: [@AzarFarideh] Paul Pierce: [@PaulPierce] Follow The Truth After Dark on all platforms: Instagram: [@TruthAfterDarkPod] TikTok: [@The_TruthAfterDark] Spotify, Apple, & everywhere you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Paul Peasy. And tonight we have a very special guest, somebody that's really paving her own way in the industry, and building a strong voice for herself in media and podcasting. You may have seen her from some of her viral clips on her podcast, Talk Les. Everybody welcome Les to Truth After Dart. What's up, Les. You got a nickname?

Is that your nickname? My full name is Lesia. Yeah, so Lesia is your nickname. Less is my name because people can pronounce Lesia. Lesia. So when I moved to this, so my full name is Olessia. So what you said, Alessia. Alessia.

But nobody can say it because it starts with an O and it's pronounced than A. And so when I was playing tennis, that's how people would call me because like, I used to coach kids and then I'd just be like, can we just call you less? Yeah. I'm like, you know what? I like it. So it's either lessy or less. Yeah, simple. Yeah. Simple. Yeah. And when I started, when we were doing, you know, when I came up with a name for the show, it wasn't even me. It was somebody said, that would be so fire if you would name your show, talk less because you talk so much. Talk less because you talk so much. And I'm like, this is fire. This is like, this is a play. Yeah. So I can say anything less. I'm like, I always say, as long as I'm not. I'm not. I always say, as long as I'm

homeless, it's all good. That's only less than not being, right? Right. That's the less we not working with. Well, we're really excited to have you on. You've been doing your thing in podcasting. I know how hard it is, especially as a woman. So congrats to that.

Just tell me a little bit about how you got into podcasting. So it's actually kind of crazy. My friend who's here, Glenn, yes. Me and him, we're trying to grow our YouTube pages. Okay. And so we were like, why don't we just go on YouTube Live on the dual YouTube Live? And so he was like, let's just go on YouTube Live and let's just talk.

Because I kept telling him, I was like, you know what, we need to get on YouTube Live? That's how we can get the subscribers up. And we can just like have a conversation. So literally that was the first episode. That's how we started. And then I ran into one of the girls who plays tennis on a pro tour. And she had like a crazy story. Like she's a single mom of two.

Her husband cut her off. No child support, no nothing. And she's trying to make it on tour. So I was like, girl, let's jump on YouTube Live. Let's tell your story. Yeah. And that's when the name kind of came to be where people were like in the live chat saying, hey, you should call this talk less show.

Like just basically having conversations. And so I did about six or seven episodes on live. And then I got a DM from some producer in Atlanta who is producing like real housewives and all of that, like just big names. At first I thought it was a scam. Like honestly, because I don't believe people when they DM. I'm like, this is, this is too good to be true. And then he literally sends me his IMDB credits. And he was like, I am for real.

Like, this is what I do. I think what you need to do is get a studio, do your makeup, you know, get pretty. And then go and film in the studio. And he sends me a studio and I'm just like, okay. I mean, shit. I was like, how am I going to pay for this? Because I have a full-time job. I don't really make the money, extra money to, you know, go and pay for the studio.

So I happened to go to Miami a couple weeks before. And I ran into somebody who had a tequila brand. and he goes, hey, let me pay for the studio for you. As long as you put my tequila bottles on the table. And that's how I started. Because I had no money to pay for it. And he was like, I'll pay for 10 episodes. And I brought in the first episode was with Jonathan, Ritchin Unemployed,

Jonathan Finesse Rich and Employed. He's a big podcast here in Atlanta. And we sit with him and I was like, what are we going to talk about? And he's like, just talk. And we just started talking. And then, you know, that's where it started. But then I kind of learned, I can just sit down and talk. talk. Like it's got to have a structure. It's got to have something to it. So then I said,

you know what? If I'm going to bring people on, I want to prep for it. Like, I really want to dive into the conversation as far as like, who you are. Why, you know, what's your story? How did you get to where you are? And then like, I did 50 episodes, right? And then I'm like, my YouTube is not doing numbers. Like, something is wrong. Something is wrong. So it comes out to the point that I built my YouTube page the whole, like the whole time I built it wrong. So I got a consultation from somebody who does YouTube and he goes, well, you have to hide all your 50 episodes. I said, what? You have to what? Hide all the 50 episodes you've done. So just remove them from YouTube, basically. And I'm like, what do you mean? So I had to remove all of them,

start a whole new YouTube page and start like over again this year. That's why people think that I'm an industry plan because I had to start over. But when I started over, I was like, okay, let me do a spin on it. And I was like, you know what? I just want to be myself. Because like, like, I'm naturally witting funny and I can say something that's like, yeah. People are like, what? And then I was like, you know what? Let me bring comedians on. And that's how, you know, and then Cam Newton reached out. He reached out to me because he wanted to go play pickleball. And I said, you know what? You want to play pickleball with me? I want you to come

on my show. He's like, bet. That's a deal. So when I played pickleball with him the next day, and then a week later, he came on my show. So, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So, Cam Newton, the ex-football player, right? That one? Yeah, the number one pick. Yeah. So, yeah, the number one pick. Yeah. He reached out to you. He reached out to me.

DM, Instagram, how are you got your number from somebody or? No, he never gave me his number. Whatever he called me was from no-caller ID. And you just happened to answer it? Well, I knew it was him because he was pulling up to the studio. But he was on DMs. So everything was on DMs. Okay.

He saw my video. So my tennis videos have been going viral. Like they go, I think that video got like six or 700,000 views. And he was like, I kept seeing your videos. And so I thought maybe because he's so into pickle. So he was like, I thought maybe it would be a good idea to bring you out to play against, because he plays against his brother and his coach. And so, yeah, he was just like, hey, pull up wherever we were. And then, yeah, we played.

His brother actually came to my tennis event. That's a fascinating first date. It's not a date. What? That's not a date. That's pretty slick. Let's go play. Cam, hey, Cam.

Hey, hey, okay, I'll see you, my boy. Don't put that on me. No, Kim. I'll say you. That's cool. That's creative. Cam? Cam, that was not a date.

That wasn't a date? That's like four other people. No. Let me DM her see if she wanted to go play pickleball. What is it? And you know, it's funny because so I, when I started doing the podcast, I had a list of, like, dream guest on. Cam Newton was the top of the list. And I DM him when I was four episodes.

That's crazy. That's crazy. That's wild. Yeah, and then he just, like, I'm telling you, it's just crazy. like Carlos Miller, DM me too. It was not. You know, I think like when you were in Atlanta, it's kind of like you get like, it's so small. Yeah.

Especially like in the industry that you kind of will like, you will come across all this people regardless. And but it wasn't a day. Don't put that on me. We'll get the real story and put that on Patreon. Don't worry. But, uh, anyway. You know, so many people ask me, they're like, did Cam try to hit on you?

Did Cam try? I'm like, no. Cam just wanted to play pickle bowl with me. He just saw her Alida said I want to play pickleball with her This was right here All the pickleball players Her she's the one

And I hate playing piccaball And I was like I will do it just for you I know what was going on now No it was never I don't say nothing went on but I know What was going on I know his probably mind thinking or something I've seen him twice in my life

One time was when we played pickable Second time was when he came on my show That was it Just let's clear the air But you know what? Cam did, I mean... He put in that seasoning, you know, before you put it in the oven, you got to season it. You go here, seasoning.

It's been months. I literally have not even talked to him. Man. But I said, thank you. I really said, I appreciate you for what you've done for me. Because he was the... Because of Cam, I ended up being in all the blogs. Yeah.

So because of Cam, they discovered me. And then after that, it was Carlos Miller. And that just skyrocketed to the point where, like, to this day, my second YouTube channel with Clips is like at almost 300,000 views just because of Carlos Miller. Yeah, all dope. Just him alone. Yeah, he's dope.

He came on our show too. And I watched that episode and it was such a beautiful episode. Yeah, yeah. I love that. I love Carlos. He's really good. Yeah. Hey, she's in the game now.

Right. You got Cam, you got Carlos. That's right. I got a czar too. You got a czar? You coming next too. All right, all right. There we go.

Yeah, that's what's so. That's amazing though. That's amazing. Yes. To get off, I mean, get off to a fast start. Yeah. Like, how long have you been doing the podcast now? For about a year and a half now.

A year and a half now. So a year and a half. But, you know, I approach this as a business. Like, I don't do this just so I can go and film something. Like, what am I doing this for? You know, I kind of, at first I didn't really know what was the reason why I'm doing the podcast. Now I understand that a lot of people reach out to me. They're like, you were getting us through our work shift.

You were getting us through the day. You were getting us through, you know, whatever tough times, like, every time, you know, I was, I was stuck in Miami, and so I had to drive back to Atlanta from Miami. And the moment that I returned the car, the guy who was at the car rental, he's like, oh, my God, I just watched your episode with Carlos Miller. You're real. And you cool in real life. I'm like, yeah. And he's like, thank you so much. It really, like, it made my day. Or like, I ran into Lou Will's DJ and he was like, I was having a horrible day. And then I just put your episode on. And I was just laughing. And it was just so light. So, like,

there's a purpose behind it. And I think, because, Because what I do is not really what anybody else has done. Because I'm not really like, I'm not in the industry the way that, like, Hollywood is. You know, I'm not in like, oh, let me be brand safe. Let me do this. No, I have my own thing going, you know. I understand that I might not be brand safe for some big, big names, but I'm brand safe for the local businesses. Right, right.

So I promote a lot of black owned businesses on my show. And I honestly mostly work with black owned businesses. And some people say like, oh, she's trying to come off because. because of black people. I'm like, I'm not trying to come off of nothing. I'm bringing them clients. I made the sponsor that I had with Carlos Miller, he got four clients from me just in the first two days.

Four clients as a personal injury attorney. Wow. Like, you can do the math. Wow. That's amazing. That's amazing. I like that. Atlanta is, hey, Atlanta.

I have a question. Good. Do you think being a white woman has given you more opportunities in this space than maybe like a black woman would have? I hate when people call me Wyatt and I've said that before I'm not white I am I'm an immigrant

I was born and raised in Russian but you're you look I understand blue eyes yeah you know what I mean do you think that you were able to have more opportunities presented to you because of that

I don't think so because I work for everything that I have you know it's not like I just show up and I'm looking pretty like you still you know you can walk in the room but who is going to keep you in the room they can kick you out of the room like this, you know, just because you're a girl. Or they're going to try to have sex with you.

It's two options. Or the third option is how, what kind of value do you bring that you can stay in the room? And so I think for me, it's the third option because I come from corporate world, you know, so I come from a background in sales. That's why like sometimes, like I told you, I'm so oblivious when men try to hit on me. I have no clue because like to me, I see an opportunity for me. It's a business conversation. This is what we're going to do. And so like if somebody's coming on my show, I always make sure what is the value that you were getting out of it. You know, are you getting exposure, you know, what are we doing? Why are you coming on my show?

Because I can't just reach out. Like, that's why for me, it seemed to be ridiculous to reach out to Cam. Because it's like, he doesn't gain anything by coming on my show. So that's kind of like why I was like, ooh, the audacity of me reaching out to him. Like, that's just shooting far in the dark. So when those opportunities started happening, I was like, oh, oh, I feel like I'm actually creating something really cool. Because otherwise, like, people wouldn't reach out to me.

People wouldn't watch me. You know, if I was just a white girl that was looking pretty, I mean, there's so many of them. There's millions of them. On social media, too, there's millions of creators, but they're not getting the same opportunities. They're not having the same guess. They're not doing the same work as I'm doing.

So there has to be something different about me. So I don't think it has necessarily, but I think, like, and I've said that before, I think it's now I'm learning how hard it is to be a woman in the space. Like, it is really hard because, you know, just like my production team, you know, if I have a woman sitting across from me,

I have a very different treatment. They can be rude. They can be disrespectful. They can say something before I film the episode. They can just say that I'm this and I'm that. And I'm like, I'm not, when it comes down to business, I have a business mode on. I'm not going to be, if I need to make sure the mic is on point, the camera is on point, the camera is put the way I wanted.

Like, that's how I'm going to do it. This is not personal. This is business. Do you think that it's harder for black women in this space? I think it's harder for I think it's hard in general to make it in creation in con-creation space now

because there's so much of it so I don't really know if it's like black or white necessarily because you have to have a personality you have to have something that's different regardless of how you look because there could be people who are looking I mean there's just so many different things like you've got to bring something new

so people will go there and it shouldn't be because like I mean if we look even into the podcasting space there's a lot of black women who are doing really, really, really good. Like Sarah, for example, she's a good friend of mine. I mean, she is doing numbers. Like she is, and she's had anybody and everybody on her show, you know. So it's like, I don't think that that's a conversation between black and white.

It's just like, what can you do that has not been done before? What is it that is new or exciting? Are you bringing a new perspective? That's why, like, you know, people hate and love Sarah, for example. People hate and love me because we have standards. And so the moment that you have stance on something, that's when you can make it. You know, I don't really, I don't really like having those conversations between black and white because like I don't, you know, I've never, I am. I am. I only know my experience. Yeah. You know, so I can tell you how hard it is for me because I have my things that I have to deal with, you know, like I'm an immigrant. I haven't seen my family in 10 years. Nobody knows about that.

You know, like every day I have to. If everything fails right now, I got no home to go to. Yeah, I get that. I think that there has to be acknowledged. acknowledgement though or how much harder it is for black women to be in these spaces and I say that because black women are the most disrespected and we are women that don't get the same you know credit that a lot of other races get so I think it's remiss to brush that off it's not it there is we don't have the the luxury to say I don't look at it as black and white we don't have the luxury to say that Me as someone who is a mixed woman and been working really hard to be in this space, I had to bust my ass for years just to be where I am.

And I think that, you know, I look at people like Bobby Atloff and these people that are, this white woman and call her the Alex Cooper and call her dad, not to say or take away credit from the work that you guys have put in. I believe that you work very hard. I know you came from and all of that. But I'm saying to say like, even with the. the same hard work that you're doing, I could be doing three times harder that

just to get the same results you're getting, if that makes sense. So that's something that I really think that we need to acknowledge and be honest about. And I feel like there's a lot of people that they will come on people who are Russian, white, whatever, not black, and support them, especially like black people,

and not support our own people as much. And I've noticed that, and that's something that I just want to acknowledge, and that doesn't take away from how hard I believe you work. I can tell you are a hustler, you're about your business, you do your thing, but we have to leave a safe space for acknowledging that. It is hard. It is harder.

I think it is definitely hard. And I think it's also, you know, there's a lot of, like, I mean, you can call it, like, prerequisites, right? Like, just given the access to education, you know, not everybody has that kind of education level, you know. When I came to the United States, I didn't even know that that was a big issue. where people don't have access to a simple thing is going to college, you know? Something that's so normal anywhere else in the world.

And when you come here, and for people, it's like, that's a big deal to go to college. Like, that's where I learned that, you know, you were a first generation, you know, graduate. Like, I didn't even know that that was a thing. And so when I came here, I was like, oh, wow, like, this is really different. And yes, of course, there is, because I feel like, you know, America is, at the end of the day, it's a very, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's capitalism. So money talks here. And, and that's the thing is like, I think it's also as far as, yes, I acknowledge there's racism. Yes, there is not fair treatment. And there's also not fair treatment between men and women as much as we want to say, but it is very true.

True. You know, so, but at the end of the day, what I do believe in is, is, is your mindset. How do you approach that? Because like, even like watching, you know, I'm very close with 85 South, but watching those men work and like, what they have to deal with, I'm just like, damn. Yeah. Like, this is crazy because I do know that. And that's why, like, sometimes I will use my pretty privilege to help other people out. I will use my whatever, whatever, like, if somebody wants to talk to me, like, whatever.

I'm going to use that so I can direct it to where it needs to be directed. Like, whether I need to be a representative for them, whether I need to, you know, like, if I need to pull the sponsors, I will go and have a conversation. But also, you know, because, like, I believe in helping people out. I believe that like those people they put me on. So I'm forever grateful for that. Like I would not be where I'm at without them. Like let's be for real.

It's not because I, you know, I just showed up and I sat down and I'm so pretty. Like if I do a solo episode, it's not going to do the same number as Carlos Miller. If I do a solo episode, because they don't know me, but they know those people. But my whole thing is like, what can I give back? And that's why like for me, it's very important to give back, you know. And I think that's why I love living in Atlanta because it's such a, it's such a beautiful community. And I truly feel like home there. Like it's just that the whole, the entire black community is so welcoming.

It's crazy because like I've never been welcomed like that in my life. You know, they don't have to do that. They can say like, oh, you white girl, you know, like we're scared of you. Just just stay there. But no, they welcome me. And then it's kind of like now it becomes an exchange of like, okay, let me teach you something from this world. And you can teach me something from that world. And it's like an exchange of information.

And so I just, you know, like I refuse to believe and say that because like at the end of the day, I can also sit down just be like, man, I'm an immigrant and like life is tough. Like my life is really hard, but I just close my eyes on it and I keep going every single day. Like I've been through depression. I've been suicidal. I've been through, you know, like I've been through my mental is really not, you know, obviously on camera. She's so, she's, but no, like I, you know, I have mental breakdowns where I come home and I'm just like, I don't know what's tomorrow going to look like.

I don't know if I'm going to have my lights on or not. If I'm going to pay my bills on, it looks like I got it all figured out. But one thing I know, I'm going to wake up tomorrow and shit, if it's going to hit the fin, I'm going to figure it out one way or another. I don't, you know, and that's why like going back to the conversations like between men and women too, I don't believe in like that a man needs to pay for all my stuff. Hell no. For what? What am I to him for him to pay my bills? Like why?

Why would you do that? You know, I believe in like, okay, this is my responsibility. This is my apartment that I want to have. I have a dog and a cat. It's my responsibility. I have a family. When something goes south, it's my responsibility to help them out. Yeah. So, you know, it's kind of like that's why I think my my worldview and I feel like everybody has their own worldview. That's the world where I choose to live in. You know, I choose. I'm not going to say that it doesn't exist. The racism doesn't exist. It exists. But I don't choose to participate in that. I don't choose to discriminate based on this color of the skin because it's not fair. How that you don't choose that? You don't, I wasn't like when I was up there when God was creating me like, hey, let me be born in Russia. If I had a choice, I would be born here. Yeah.

Hold on, you say, you believe in going 50-50 with a man. You say how you don't need a man to pay for, but if, you know, would you believe in that? 50-50, I mean, here's the thing. I will tell you this, 50% of you're going to take 50% off my load, that's a win for me, because 50% can go into, you know, into my business. So that's a great, for now, I would probably say, sure, listen, because it's helping me out. But if we're going, like, if we're living together. He pay half the rent.

Listen, here's the thing. Or do we got to pay the red to be with you? This is how I am. If I go out with my friends, I'm not going to sit here and be like, you owe me $33.33. I would just put my card down and we'll pay for it. Next time, you pay for it.

And I'm the same way with men. Like the men that I date, I can go to a steakhouse, pick up a dinner for him, bring it to his house. I'm not going to be like, baby, owe me $80. No.

Like, I'm not going to do that because, okay, you're going to do something for me. I'm going to do something for you. I don't count the pockets, because it's not really, you know, that's just, that's, I hate that stuff. But that's the American mindset, I'm just saying. I did it. But the American mindset is the man supposed to take care, everything, the woman,

they together, he's the provider, you know what I'm saying? But I think provider, it doesn't really mean necessarily financially provider, right? He can provide safety and peace for you too. Like obviously, you know, I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, I'm going to date a broke you. No, I'm not going to date nobody who doesn't make equal or more money than me, preferably a lot more, because I want a man to be ambitious. What's the number?

What's the number? How much it's got to be? Just, well, don't give us a number. Give us like, all right, is 500,000 a year enough for a man? It's fine, we can work with that. You can work with that. That's a good number.

Okay. Well, you also said that you didn't like nine to fivers and you said that you stayed a teacher and that you considered it charity work. Girl, that was charity work. Listen, it has to be written off my tax staff. Ask my accountant if I could. He was like, nope, not this time.

I'm like, man. I'm crying. But because the thing is, so you got to understand, I am a very ambitious woman. When you get around somebody like a teacher, he has a schedule of like he needs to be at work at 7.45. I'm a podcaster. Sometimes I'll be in the studio until one in the morning. You know, sometimes I will be up like writing the episode or, you know, working on the sponsorship proposals on the pitch decks. I don't have a set schedule of 9 to 5.

So it just inherently is not going to work because we live very different lifestyles. Yeah. You know, what is he going to talk to me about? His conversation with a fellow teacher, I don't care. But getting into it, is that something you didn't think about? Like, it's a teacher, you just got into it. It just felt right. It was a very big accident that it happened.

I didn't even know. It was just kind of like, we kind of like fell it into each other's slab. And then after that, it kind of like unfolded. And so it only lasted for a week because. Wait, what? I'm telling you. done. Girl, I've heard.

A week. Or a week. I'm thinking this was like a year. Right. At least a few months. No, this lasted for a week because it all ended with him saying, let's go for brunch on Sunday. And I said, you know what?

Okay, just, he was like, call me in the morning. I call him in the morning. He doesn't pick up a phone. Text him. He doesn't pick up a phone. I'm just sitting here, listen, like, this is a goddamn teacher. And he's playing games with me. So I'm like, you know what?

Because the thing is, like, my time is precious. I don't like when people waste my time. You said you want to get brunch, so now I'm leaving that space for you, but I'm going to give you like a two-hour window. So if within two hours I don't hear from you, I'm not going to brunch. I got to, you know.

I don't want you to keep up. I don't mean to cut you off, but you met him on what day? Like, what day did you live? I met him like on a Sunday prior to that. Okay, so you met him on Sunday. Yeah. This has been a week.

So y'all was together? No, we weren't together. We were just talking every single day. Every single day. Did you go on any dates? Yeah, we did. We went on like three days. During the week.

During the week, yeah. Well, he made time. No, he made time. He made time. But it was because he took days off. Oh, damn. He couldn't do that every week. And it was because I kind of convinced him to do that because I was like,

I was like you have so many days off. Why don't just take days off? And mind you, you know, I was just like, I'm going to give it a chance. Because I know myself, I know that like this is not going to work. Like deep down, I knew that this is not going to work. She said, I'm going to give it a chance. I'm dating all this athletes and stuff. I'm dating all this people in the industry so cold,

and it's just not working out. So I'm like, you know what? Everybody was like, you need to try something new. I gave it a chance. Yeah, yeah. And the thing is like, for me, communication is a big thing, you know. So he, I think he heard something from somebody. I don't know what it was.

I have no idea. Like, I have no clue. What was the conversation? But on Sunday at 4 p.m., he texts me, hey, sorry, I had a busy day. And this is when y'all supposed to go to brunch, right? Yeah, that's the one was supposed to go to brunch. But next Sunday, oh, so y'all didn't go to brunch.

So we didn't go to brunch. And I said, what happened to you asking me to call you? He was like, oh, I just went to the gym and then I felt like I needed a day for myself. I said, why didn't you just text me that? You literally can just tell me I need a day for myself. Because now it's like the communication is so off where you're taking, you know, whatever, however many hours to respond, which is fine. I mean, take it, whatever. But at this point, like, I'm already understanding that this is not going to work.

If you have to take days off to hang out with me and I need time with my person, I can't, you know, how am I going to get to know you if you were in school from like six in the morning until 6 p.m. or 7 p.m. And he has a child too. So it's like there's no time for a relationship. And he even said it himself. He said the only way it's going to work with me is if a woman lives with me. Oh. Yeah. Because because he doesn't really have time. Yeah. And at the same time, it's like to me, it sounds like you're spinning the wills because it felt like he was scared to get out of that environment where he's in. and for me it's a big issue.

Like I can't be, you know, I know what I'm doing, that I'm constantly getting out of my comfort zone. Like I had to quit my corporate job. Do you think I had any savings in my bank account to go and become a full-time concurator? I had like $5,000 to my name. And I quit my job because I took a risk because I knew that if I don't quit this job right now,

I'm not going to do this because I don't have time because time is the most precious thing that we have. The only thing we can exchange is we can exchange attention for the time. That's it. Like we can exchange the even with content creation. It's all, we're selling attention. We're selling attention span. How long they can stay on our content so we can get paid for the ads and sponsorships.

Same thing. So here it was just like, so he stops responding. And then a week later, I call him because I'm like, you know, I don't like, you know, lingering around. Like I kind of know this is not going nowhere. I called him and I said, hey, what happened? He's like, I changed my mind. And I said, all you had to do was text me. Hey, I changed my mind.

Because there's nothing wrong with you changing your mind. it's just, you know, whatever happened, and I don't really care for whatever reason that is, whatever you heard, whatever, whatever happened, maybe you were in a relationship, I don't know what's the reason. All you had to do was say, hey, I changed my mind. And that's where I was like, you know,

this person is just, it's just we're on different levels of development. Like, I don't really agree with that. And, you know, it's just as much as I try to date normal people who, like, because I was in 9 to 5 jobs before. And I see how it is. It's like you have to really conform to what's going on. you have to live with the policy of the company.

You know, they're going to put you in the box, and you have to stay in that box. I can't be in the box. You cannot put me in the box, no matter how hard you try. I'm like, there's nothing average about me. And when they put me in the box, I feel like I'm just, I was like,

I can't breathe here. So when I date a man who is a 9 to 5, or I understand that's the concept that he is in. And for me, I can't do that. I need somebody who is more up in mind who sees a bigger, opportunities, bigger future. I would date somebody who runs a startup

because now you're trying to create something you and you're taking a risk. Like, yeah, you might not make it, but hey, I failed two businesses too. So, like, this is my third business, technically speaking, that I'm growing. And so for me, it's just, it's just not going to work, you know, as much as I've tried, and I've tried, I really, really gave it time. I've dated 9 to 5 hours before, you know, when I was in my 20s. It's just, you know, it's just, it's not it. But now because we have free, like, our schedule is so unpredictable, like sometimes I'm going to go to sleep at 3 in the morning. You know, I might, I might have to get up at five and go play tennis and train.

Like, my schedule is so not predictable and I cannot afford to have it with, like, somebody who is in 9 to 5. I know you mentioned that communication was big for you. Like, if you're talking to a guy and you call him and he doesn't answer, you're going insane. Yeah. I have like, and you know that actually that conversation that we had yesterday, I really sat down and I started thinking about it. And I'm like, yeah, it is a big trigger of mine.

It's a big trigger. And it comes from my childhood when, you know, I called my mom after my tennis practice and, you know, because she would have to pick me up because Russia is not really like the safest place. And I literally sit outside and wait for her sometimes for two, three hours. And then she would always just be like, oh, I'm five minutes away. And then she wouldn't pick up a phone for an hour. And I'm just like, now I'm scared because now like I don't feel safe anymore. I'm here alone.

Like there's literally like the complex is closed at this point. I'm sitting outside waiting for my mom. Like, and I think like that's what it's lingering to. like now relationships and like conversations, especially with men, because to me, I can, like, a text message is two seconds. All it is is two seconds. Two seconds. You don't have two seconds for me. Well, I don't, how can I, how can I give you my attention if you don't have that? Like, I feel like it's such a bare minimum. And so, but like, again, I try to, I communicate that right away. Like, whenever I talk to somebody, I say, listen, I'm big on communication. Like,

to me, I don't need your money. Talk to me. Talk to me. Have conversations. with me because that's going to do more for me than, you know, you giving me gifts and all that. Because, like, I don't need you to buy my love. I don't, I got, I can love you without you buying me stuff. And I actually never had nobody buy me shit, like, because I don't ask for that. Or you said a text was two seconds, right? I don't believe that. Okay. Talk to me why. So, like, you know, me being an ex-NBA player, you know, people come up to me and ask for autographs and say, like, it's a bunch of people. You know, one dude will come up and say, hey, can you sign this?

It's one autograph. They don't see the other people behind them. That's going to ask for just one. So I add up. So now you text me hi. Then I say hi. Then you'd be like, what's you doing? I ain't doing another.

So that's not two seconds. Now I'm doing something where I can't give you a full conversation on text. So I'd rather wait until I'm done. But you're going to feel a certain type of way because I didn't take two seconds just to say hi back. When in reality, I thought about how this is going to go to where it's like, it's all right I can't get to a full-blown conversation I hit her when I'm done

you know what I'm saying so it's never like but I heard this before you're not the first one to say that I think it's a difference between you know what you're saying like WID and hi I don't I don't have those conversations you know I'm not going to ask you what you're doing I

probably already know your schedule or pattern or whatever like let's say you're at practice so if I know you're at practice for hours like I'm not you know you're at practice for hours I can't do nothing about that so I'm aware of that but I'm talking about like scenarios like the guy who could have said hey you know I just need a day for myself two seconds yeah you know I'm talking about those kind of scenarios where because I know

I'm not going to bother people just to bother people if I'm reaching out I'm reaching out with something I don't really I've never been this person who was like on Snapchat you know sending snaps or like just texting randomly like I don't really text people like that I'll text you know about the things that are important where things that like hey I'm gonna let you know you know are we doing this are we doing that because like we already spend so much time online I don't want to be on my phone. But I think like when it's especially like if I give you a call and sometimes like I know, because I know people's patterns. I'm like super observant with that. And I know that like I've seen you before not pick up the phone and not text that like, hey, I'll call you back or anything just because

you don't want to talk to them. But now watch them do that. So you're like you're doing that to me. Yes. And I don't like when that's done to me because kind of like I'm supposed to be like maybe like a little bit more important than other people. Right, for sure. You know? And so, it's your person. It's your, like, especially, like, if, if we haven't sex and having any kind of relationship like that, like, I'm giving you my body.

Like, that's the least you can do is just, like, you know, text me, say, like, hey, I'll call you back. And granted, like, it's getting better now with, you know, with people who I talk to. Like, with one specific person that, you know, I'm currently, like, seeing what's going to happen. It's getting a lot better. It's getting a lot better because, like, I've communicated those things. And I said, listen, like, it, because it's, because it's,

it just, it like truly triggers me sometimes, but I have to also catch myself. Hey, Les, like, relax. This is nothing to do with you. Like, and I don't know what it is. Like, I'm so bad and negative to myself. Like, I don't think people don't even, I'm so ruthless to myself. Like, even like you see me before the camera, like, my chin is big, you know, my this and that. Like, I am so, like, I have a lot of negative self-talk, but I'm super nice to other people.

And so it's something that, like, my therapist, she also says, she's like, you really need to start working on that because you can't go far with that. Like you are beating yourself down, but it's going to be like even like relationship with food. You know, I would go the whole day without eating. And so it should be like, how can a human go without eating? Like you have to feed your body because then you're not going to have the energy to do anything. Or like if I train, you know, I'm going to be on a tennis court until I make that shot the way I wanted. I'm not going to stop.

I might be in pain. I might be hurting. I'm like mentally losing it, but I'm not going to stop until I get it done. So it's kind of like it's really like it's bad. It's really bad, but I'm now acknowledging that and I'm trying to just catch myself and say, you know what? This has nothing to do with you or stop doing that because you can't treat yourself like that and treat others in a much better way.

Like you can't put other people on the pedestal. You're neglecting yourself. Yes, exactly. And you are the most important. And you cannot pour into people if you're pouring from an empty cup. Exactly. And it's so important, especially as a woman. And I struggled with self-esteem issues like throughout my life and confident.

and it's something that I now, you know, have, but it takes a lot of understanding, like, yourself and not beating yourself up. Like, oh, take a compliment. You look pretty. No, no, I'm looking at this, my chin. You know, like, that's, you say thank you. Yes.

You know what I mean? Feel good about yourself. And I think when you approach it in that way, what you're willing to accept from other people is different. You know, when you don't feel like you're deserving or you feel like you're at a place in your life where you're like, I don't like this or my chin or this or that or that.

Like that's what you feel. But when I look at you, I think you're beautiful. I'm not looking at your chin. I don't see that. You know what I mean? But that's just this negative self-talk that we give ourselves because we don't have the self-esteem to be confident.

And that's something that once you work on that, it will really change your life. And it's been changing my life. So pretty much the moment that I've kind of recognized that when I was told by multiple people that like hey you need to stop doing that yeah that's when literally everything started changing my life like in every single aspect yes and something that I started really doing I started watching what I say you know I don't say if I say when yeah you know even like yesterday I corrected myself yeah I remember if I get married when I get married I remember you know I don't say

thank you I say I receive it because I truly receive it so now I receive it and like and I acknowledge that and so I think it's so important to speak the words and like I heard this this one thing from one of my guests that came on my show, he said, every morning you need to do this affirmation where you say, I am wealth, I know wealth, I live wealth, I am health, I know health, I live health. And like the word that you want to be, you already say it in present tense. And so like that thing started really, you know, especially when I write, when I plan something when, you know, because obviously like my show is just, it's all written on the paper. But I wrote it out as if it's a present tense, you know.

I didn't think, like, I'm a girl who didn't even speak English until I was 14 years old. I didn't think I'm going to sit across. I mean, I didn't think I was even going to be in L.A. sitting in the studio, you know, being on your guys' podcast. Like, what kind of world? Like, that's impossible. If you were to tell me that at 14 years old, I'd say you tripping. Like, there's no way.

I would say it's just, it's just, there's no chance that me speaking English that I can, like, communicate with people and speaking on camera and doing all those things. My entire life, my mom told me, you're too big to fit in the camera. Like literally those are the words that I heard You were too fat You were too big to finish the camera You know I didn't hear As my mom said

I'm not gonna tell you pretty Because I feel like that's just reaching Like you're okay looking Damn I'm sorry Les I went through that too And I know how hard that can be on your confidence You know I understand that And a lot of the time

You can seek relationships from people To feel chosen And it doesn't matter What they're giving you You just want to prove that you are worthy of being chosen. And it's like you're looking to get that validation you didn't get from your mom.

And so I know how hard that is and it looks like you're doing the work to get better and that's what's important. And I always feel for people who went through that because I understand. I went through that and I know how tough that is. And I think that's something that men don't really understand that as women, that's what we go through.

Like we're not trying to put your all down. We're literally trying to just build ourselves up sometimes, you know? and a lot of times like walking in the rooms and when you're seen as a sex object like that's offensive sometimes like it really like just I think like to man it's like oh wow like she's a sex symbol she's this she's that you know and to me I'm like well I'm more than that you know there's a lot more to me that I can bring to the table or just just just that I can do than just my looks and so every time like I get compliments about my looks like it never really mattered because to me like if you say something more about my character now okay now I'm flattered now I really, really like it.

And I think that's why for me it's always been so hard to, like, get in relationships because the moment it would get to the point where I, like, feel my triggers, I jump right out. This is one week and I'm out. I'm done. But you said you're dating now. Yes, yes, I'm dating now. Dating, like, multiples, one?

No, no, no, I date one person at a time. One person at a time? No. How is that being, like, being over six feet? You wear heels, like, I just feel like the market for tall women versus like, would you like a man that's taller than you? Do you like short men?

Because it ain't a lot of tall men that can, like, look you in the eye. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy because, like, you probably cater. I heard you say you all, did you say you only date black eyes? Yeah. Why are you laughing? I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

He's the smirk. Well, no, smirk, but clearly you probably belong to the black market because of, you know, height and everything because, like, was more tall black men than probably any of the race. Okay, Sarah said that, and she got eaten up because I think, like, the tallest men are in Denmark or something, like, there's somewhere in Europe.

Yeah, I don't count, though. Yeah, I don't, right. I mean, in America, like, grand, in America, I don't think it's just, you know, I feel like I've been attracted to black men since I was very young, because in Russia, we had overseas players who would come in and play during the NBA, whatever, shut down,

whatever it was here, you know. A lot of players would come out there. And so, like, I was always, because I spoke English, so I was always around them. And so, like, I've always been very attracted to them. I've never been attracted to a white man. I've never, you know, even dated nobody in Russia. When I lived there, I literally not even kiss nobody. Like, I never, like, never.

That's why you love Atlanta. Oh, I love Atlanta, yeah, because, you know, that's why she's like, candidland. She said, I'm going to go from Russia to Atlanta. Ooh. You know what I'm saying? Hold on. Her list was D.

D.C., Atlanta. Let me see. Yeah. Oh, I like Atlanta. Charlotte. No, Charlotte, I don't really like I feel like Atlanta is the best for...

I used to live in Atlanta. It's all the black men are there. Yeah. But they're gay to me. And I'm so scared today in Atlanta. I was so nervous. So how tall is the guy right now? It doesn't matter how tall he is.

I'm not saying nothing. You know what I say? I like men who are my... I don't see, this is something my person is going to be my person until I'm ready to talk about it and I'm not really ready to talk about because it's still very new.

and I don't really know, you know, I still need to figure a lot of things out, and I think he still needs to figure a lot of things out. We enjoy each other's company. We enjoy each other's, you know, conversations. We're vibing. It's great. But I will tell you this, there is an abundance of tall man. I do not really like.

I probably dated one person who is shorter than me. Okay. One person. You also said you wouldn't date a man who doesn't have a status. No, I wouldn't date a man who doesn't have a status. Because for what? what you know the thing is even like I dated an ex-NBA player and he called me one day and he said I don't understand why do you get up so early why do you like you were just doing this this you were just

shooting this podcast this is a stupid hobby of yours why don't just like focus on your job and I was like oh okay so you don't believe in me so now this is like now this is a challenge that oh can I make it and it really like when people say those things now I'm like oh I don't love that. Now this is, let's see if I can make it. And now it happened multiple times in my life. And so, you know, because I think because now he's removed from the spotlight, because he's an ex-MBA player, he doesn't want to be in a spotlight. Now, when he sees me and he said, he said something, he's like, every single time I open up my Instagram, you were sitting across some fine-ass black man or you're like, you know, you always surround men, you're, you know,

so it's like, it's a jealousy thing. And to me, I think a man has to have status and has, he has to have confidence, confidence to the level where he wants me to do those things. He knows that I'm not doing this to get a man. I'm doing this because I truly want to do those things. You know, and I think it's a really, it's also very important because if I were to walk in the room with a nobody, now I got to work three times harder, right? But if I walk in a room with somebody who has a status, now people look at me different too. So it's kind of like, I think it's, it's very important because if I'm in this industry now, I can bring things to him and he can bring things to me. And I think it's a fair exchange. But if a man doesn't have a status, especially social

status, it's going to be hard. And it's going to be hard for him to be around me because I know when I walk into the room, I know that people are going to notice me. I know that people, like, I have the energy where people are drawn to me. And it's not really like, and sometimes it's actually kind of fun because if I'm around, like, if I'm, you know, with the person who I'm currently like talking to if we're out somewhere, he would have people talking to him and then people will have talk, people talk to me. And it's like, it's kind of cool because it's like, oh, we're both recognizable people. And that works because it doesn't feel like, oh, like, oh, my God, all these girls are walking up to him. Like, yeah, of course girls are going to walk up to him. But he also

sees, oh, like, all this man are walking up to him to me. So it's kind of like, I think it's just, it's a good balance. But I can't date somebody who is like, and, you know, unfortunately, yeah, Maybe you can call me an opportunist or whatever it is, but I think it's important to, like, I want to strive to be somewhere up there. Like, I'm not, I didn't move to this country to just be, you know, with a person who is a regular person who makes, you know, regular. But I'm sorry. It's like, why would I stay here if I, you know, I can be with my family in Russia, live in that life? Why do I need to be here? For what?

Like, if I moved here, then there has to be a reason. You know, if I moved here, I need to build a much better life than I could have had there. And I'm already like, I'm already doing those things. But that's another thing that like, what's the point of living here then? I'm not out here to be on Social Security for what? So you associate status with like a successful life? I think it's more than... Status is famous.

It's not just famous, but it's also respected. You have a million followers minimum to be famous. You got to be black. And you got to be over 6'3. That's her standard. That's what we call it. That's her standard. That is my standard.

And that's the thing. If people have a problem with that, that's your problem. That's your problem. I don't have a problem with that. I am dating those people. I am on that level. So if you, and then I have a lot of comments like, oh, name the athletes that you dated. And I'm just like, for what?

For what? We don't need to talk about that. No, like, I would never do that. For what? I will never go on the internet and put none of that out. For what? I don't need to prove you nothing. Like, I know what I date.

I know who I'm. You been in the Laker games? No. Since you've been in L.A.? No, not in L.A. I haven't been to the new arena. Okay. I've been to the States.

You got a lot of Atlanta games? I do, yes. But for me, it's a networking opportunity. Yeah. Because the first time that I got, so the way that Charleston White happened was because I went to the Falcons game. I didn't even know who Falcons were, to be honest, girl. When I moved there, I was like, huh?

But my friend was like, hey, do you want to? go to the Falcons game. I was like, sure. So we had tickets to go. And I was in the lounge getting food and somebody was like, court side less. It turns around. And I'm like, oh, this is weird. Like the first time I got recognized and he goes, I have a proposal for you. I said, what's up? He's like, I want you to bring Charleston White on and I will pay all the expenses and I'll pay for him to come on. And I'm like, how am I going to get to Charleston White? I don't even know who that is. And I DM Charleston White. And then I just went around, me naturally being me. I went around. I asked a bunch of people that I knew. I said, hey, do you know Charleston White? And then just through, you know,

a couple of handshakes, I got to Charleston White. And then he gave me a number at first. And I said, Charleston White, I appreciate your business. We're not doing this. This is, it's just to me, I'm not going to make it back. So I'm not. It's pointless. And I know for a sponsor, I don't know what numbers you're going to bring me. So I told him no. And then he, I kind of left it on red. I was just like, you know, I'm going to let it be. Then a week later, he reached out to me. He's like, hey, I'm in Atlanta this weekend. You want to film? I'll work with your budget. he worked with my budget. So to the point where I made some money from it,

and I made afterwards from YouTube, I'm still making money from that episode. Nice. Yeah, so that's how it happened. That's why I prefer to go to the games because it's a great networking opportunity. Every time I go to the games, like, I meet somebody. Somebody who is like the last time I went,

they want me to do some radio work with them. So like now they're like, we like your voice, we want to put you on the radio. And, you know, people walk up to me now. They recognize me. Oh, dope. I think like yesterday. I was out with my friends and like somebody was like, oh, I just watched you episode.

You know, I didn't want to come say hi. Because I feel like because they're like, oh, we didn't want to scare you. I'm like, oh, no, I'm good. You know, I appreciate when people walk up to me. I appreciate when people take pictures with me. I appreciate when people say that they watch my episode. And, you know, I also respond to every single comment that comes on YouTube. I am a very, like, I believe in giving back.

And if they're watching my show, the least I can do is to communicate back to them. And I hear what they're saying. they ask for certain people. I bring those people on because that's the way that I can build some communication with my audience because down the road I want to do live shows so I want to make sure that they can come out

and they can vibe and you know it's like we're building a community you know. Right, right. I love that. That's so. Good for you. I'm not just an industry plan that's like

let me get all the money. You know, because I heard some numbers that those girls are throwing the girls that you mentioned, I was like, God damn. What girl? The podcast girls, the white girls that are

in podcasting? Oh, I heard the numbers. Oh, I heard the numbers. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just one of those things where it's, it's just when you're in this position, it's like, it's different. You know, you see those girls and she's on a bed filming with Drake. And it's like, who are you? Who are you? You know what I mean? I don't believe that it's an industry plant, but I just think that it's a different opportunity for based on how you look and it's just the truth, you know, like, but I mean, I don't think it's, like, if I, was, like, I'm taking all the opportunities. I think you should. And I think that, you know, people should use what they can and go out there and get it. Yeah. Period. So I agree with you. I think you have to.

Because it's like, it's not like you just fell into the NBA. You didn't just fall into the NBA. You did the work for it, you know? It's not like you didn't practice for your entire life to know how to shoot that basketball, you know. And that's why like a lot of people, they're like, oh, NBA players. No, not, oh, NBA players. No, oh, practice squad. You don't know what it takes to even be on a basketball.

practice squad. You are not on a practice squad, but they are. So why are you talking? And like, it bothers me. So when I was doing my, in the beginning, I wanted to have a lot of athletes on because I just wanted to get in the mind of an athlete. But then I kind of, you know, learn that athletes have to just like thread lightly, especially if they're in season, especially, you know, there's like PR stuff that they can do. But yeah, like I had, I had some of the NBA players on and it's, it's beautiful stories that they tell me. And everybody has a story. And a story is not, sometimes it's on sweet. Tori Craig, who was on my show, his mom was incarcerated for 25 years. You know, so it's like, still with that, you got to make it. And you know that now it's on

YouTube to provide for the family. And so it's like, you know, everybody, everybody has it in some sort of way hard or, you know, even if you got the money, like, money doesn't fix everything. Yeah, for sure. A hundred percent. Well, we really appreciate you coming on the show. You drop some gems. You are incredible. You're doing such a good job at just building your platform and I'm so proud of you continue doing the work and you're winning and I love that. Absolutely. Please let everybody know where they can find you and anything else you want to share. You can find me on Instagram on the courtside list.

You can also find me on every single platform that exists on social media under Talk Less show. There is going to be another show that I'm about to start. So we're actually going to bring tennis into the content space. So we're going to do a tennis show. and I have another show that I'm working on so now I'm actually going to be a part of three shows. Oh, no. Wow.

Yeah, we got another show with my friend that we're just going to walk around Atlanta and we're going to do things just to show our life a little bit more just so they don't see that like, because again, you know, I want to break the stereotype. I don't believe in judging a book by its cover. So they will see that. Some people talk, they're like, you're more black than me.

Like, we want. But like, it's funny, like, because people joke like that. They're like, damn, like, the things that you do, they're more black than black people. I'm like, hey, you know what? Like, my friend, she was like, I didn't know that, that, like, people who white skin put lotion on. I'm like, what you mean? Like, it's like everyday thing. Like, what's like, this is crazy.

So it's like things like that. So, yeah, we're going to do a show where we're going to show a little bit more of my life. So, like, give them a little bit more of an access to that. And, yeah, just continue to build my empire, you know, talk less empire. Yeah, yes. That's dope. Yes. Okay, well, that's amazing.

Thank you guys so much. We'll make sure to put all of her information in the description so you can find her easily. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. This is dope. Look forward just to hearing more from you, less definitely. You're going to come on my show, right? Sure. We can come to Atlanta.

Yeah, we can make a trip. Yeah, we've been trying to get down there. Okay, let's do it. We've got family down there. I'm building a new studio, so you're going to be in the new studio. Yeah, when is that? In the next two weeks. Two weeks, okay.

Listen, my timeline is yesterday. I don't do know. My timeline is yesterday. Right. Yeah, I've been on the phone with said designer and everything. So, yeah, building a new studio. Amazing. Congrats.

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