Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Browns bench Joe Flacco, Dillon Gabriel disses Sheduer? + 49ers beat Rams

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to a Thursday Night Football where Mac Jones and the San Francisco 49ers defeated Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams. Later, they react to the Cleveland Browns benching Joe Flacco and starting Dillon Gabriel, and whether Gabriel took shots fellow rookie teammates Shedeur Sanders in his press conference. Timeline:00:00 - 49ers beat Rams11:50 - Dillion Gabriel Browns QB118:00 - Players getting fined24:00 - CJ Stroud Feeling Old32:00 - Philly to Trade AJ Brown?41:30 - Tua avoiding concussions49:15 - New kicking ball rule (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NIghtcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Joe, how you doing? Over there in London with all that brown.

gear on. I'm doing great. Cleveland Browns, London, takeover is happening right now. Yesterday we went out on a boat, met with like 250 fans, me and my man Josh Cribs. I'm here with me having a blast, you know, Connecticut State. He told us he'd be watching it. He'd be tapped into the podcast. So, you know, he's definitely showed love. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, that's my guy, you know. That was our quarterback my senior year. He was our, he was. He was, he was He was our starting quarterback. So, yeah, I got, I got to have a hot little year with him, like a little, like a little, like a little vet over there, you know what I'm saying? Man, the cribs are so good, bro.

You know, he's from D.C., we're from the same area. So he was the man back at the crib, then he went to Kent. Then I was able to play with him in Cleveland, so fire. Oh, yeah, 100%, man. Let's get this started, brother. So the rounds went on ahead and, I would say, lost it in overtime. or however you want to do it. But the 40-9ers ended up beating the Rams.

And, you know, the first quarter, it kind of started off, like, smooth for San Fran. Dude, they went down the field. They scored a touchdown. They scored a touchdown on the first drive, and they had, like, two penalties, bro. It was a false start and a holding, and they still were able to go down there and get a touch. And then, you know, L.A. gets the rock the next possession, and they sack him. They put him behind the chains. previewed, you know, and then the preceding possession, they got two fourth downs.

They converted to San Francisco conferred to two fourth downs, dude. And, oh, they also had a roughened penalty that helped them get an extra 15, but it's 14 nothing now. L.A. then comes out, and they actually are driving the ball and fumble. San Francisco recovered, but they got lucky there that, you know, San Fran didn't make nothing of it. and they got the ball back, I believe, with, no, we're still in there. So, they went on ahead, and I think they scored a touchdown in the next drive. They ended up, I believe, taking advantage of a rookie out there. I think, what was his name?

I think his number was 20 or something. They kind of used him on that drive, you know what I'm saying? They was going to smack at him? Yeah, they was going on. I think Devonte, he got a couple penalties and all that, but they ended up scoring that first touchdown. So it was, I think it was 7 to 14 by then. And right before the half, San Fran was able to get a field goal.

Ended up halftime 17 to 7. Okay. Yeah. So once they came back out, you know, L.A. goes to driving again. They're doing pretty good. But the field goal kicker, he misses the field goal, dude. Like, so San Fran gets the ball back that next possession. They did a field goal.

This 20 to 7. I'm thinking. Maybe it might be a little less competition than I thought. And then the boy Stafford comes alive, dude. He get puka involved. They score on back-to-back possessions. But the extra point on the second touchdown is blocked, bro. 20 to 20 tie going in.

I'm like, okay, we got action, bro. It is a game. Yes, we got a good game here. I don't really care when. You know, I said, I just want to see good football. Yeah. San Fran don't head down there and they score a field goal, but they gave Stought for like three minutes.

That's way too much time. Just under three minutes, dude. That's way too much time, bro. And L.A. is driving down there. And they get to like two, bro. Dude, fumbles the rock. San Fran recovers. I'm thinking game.

over with turnovers yeah yeah like it's done like everything is going to be

over with from here and LA gets the ball back with like 40 something seconds left dude and they end up getting a field goal

to to end the regulation yeah to end regulation it's tied up again they they jump into overtime San Fran kicks the field goal in overtime. They're able to do that.

But, you know, they got the two-possession thing going on right now where you get a chance. Yeah. And then L.A. goes for it on fourth down, bro. And do not get it. And then, you know, it's over with. That's the end of overtime game over with. What do you think they should have went for it on fourth down?

What do you think of the call of L.A. going forward on fourth down and overtime? I like the coach. trying to win the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, end of the day, it's fourth and one. We need one yard. Can we get a yard to win the game? You know what I'm saying?

And just go out here and not do no ties. Like, I appreciate him playing to win and not playing the tie or playing to lose. I think he shows his players like, man, I believe let's get this fourth and one. Let's go down here and score and walk out of the stadium with a dub. You know what I'm saying?

So you could look at it both ways, man, kick the field goal, tie it up, see what you're going to do. But at the end of the day, I like the coach that's going to believe. leave in my squad. We got one yard. Let's get this fourth and one. Let's finagle and get this touchdown and walk out of this stadium with a dub. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not mad at them. You look crazy when you don't get it. Your linemen look crazy. Like, you're running back,

everybody, you got smack. It stopped for fourth and one. So you feel like it, like you feel like it's the wrong decision. But if they would have made that, then everybody would be looking like, oh, yeah, there we go. Believe me, like, we can make these decisions. Our coach believes in us. Right now they look silly. But hindsight at the time. I don't think they look silly. Because for me, you had an extra point that was blocked. Mr. Field goal, and we're in overtime. It could be maybe a block, a miss. You know what?

It's only a yard. We can get a yard. Like, totally agree with it. Would it did the same thing? Because looking at the tie, a tie feels like a loss to me, dude. I don't like, man, you're all at for nothing. Like, yeah, yeah, a tie, it just feels, it feels too. much like a loss to me, bro.

I can't, I can't work with that. And, you know, even with San Fran still won, I mean, they ended up losing a couple players that were hurt, that ended up getting hurt and not having everyone there that was already, you know, hurt and not able to play. Do you think that Matt Jones is better than Purdy, or do you think that he is, he is comparative per do you think we have a quarterback maybe issue not issue but we we have a quarterback competition like you just i understand you just paid this man a bunch of money but it looks like to me just from you know looking at the you know the eye test i need a quarterback that

could come in there make plays and not turn the ball over because all my other pieces can help him win as long as he's able to, you know, contribute and not do anything to hurt us. Yeah, I feel, I think, I like, I like Brock Purdy more than I do like Mac Jones. I just think that it kind of sucks when he doesn't have all his weapons. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a lot of injuries over there in San Fran, and I think that that's not really, that's not helping him. I think when he had all of his, when he first came in there, he had everybody.

He had his whole arsenal. He had his tight end. He had Kiddle. He had the running back there healthy. So it was able to kind of get the ball around a lot more. And I think now with him not having as many resources, it's kind of making them look, obviously not as good because you don't have the tiling around him. But I don't think he's like a, he's just a do it all quarterback.

He's not going to make, he's not going to elevate your whole team. He's going to be a piece that can be able to keep it consistent and be able to make sure once everybody's there, I'm not going to fuck it up. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But you got Mac out here with none of that. And no, I didn't expect them to win this game. I'm not going to lie to you. I just thought that, you know, with the defensive line of L.A.,

that, you know, it was going to be much. No, Matt Jones, the quarterback for the goddamn Patriots. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not, bro. He's the backup quarterback now for L.A. I mean, for the 4-9ers, sorry. Damn.

See, I'm stupid. it? Yeah, yeah, for sure, for show. That's what I'm saying. He went out there and did all that. Mac backing up, Purdy, his same friend. So you think he should get a chance to get out there? I ain't saying he should get a chance to get out there. I'm just saying right now, I got, you know, I got a pistol sitting in my pocket right now, and I don't see what it could do without all the weapons. And I don't see what my other guy does with all the weapons. What did it look like if I get an opportunity to give him all the weapons? I understand, like he didn't do well in New England, you got a different he had nobody in the team he got a play call he got somebody calling the right

plays that's i guess obviously fitting you know what he can do at that position i mean he got a whole you know he got he got he got cc like what are you talking about that's that's two players right there that's running back and the receiver so with that combination do we really need do we really need to go out here and get a you know 150 200 million dollar quarterback do we or can we can we worked with, you know, what we have right here in Mac. No, I mean, I ain't going to lie to you. That makes complete sense because Mac did. Mac didn't look crazy out there in New England didn't have that nowhere near to, I think,

the offensive skills talent that San Francisco has. So if you give him the chance to be able to be back there with some dogs, I think he might look, like you see, yeah, he might look real good. You're looking good right now. For sure. Or is it to play calling? I don't know. I mean, it's a combination of all that, too, but, I mean, he's looking good.

We might have a little bit of court controversy, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. Oh, for sure. Speaking of a quarterback controversy, they say Dylan Gabriel, you know, it's not starting, obviously, for the Brown. So they said he was thorn a sublingual type, you know, hit at Shador. I think we got the sound bite right here. Listen to it. Here you go.

I smile because it's like a moment you prep for and you are extremely excited for, but also got to realize that it's extreme focus. And that's what I've continued to harp on. But you wait for the perfect time. You know, you're going to wait a whole lifetime. So for me, I'm just, I've always been ready for every moment. So do you think that is throwing some shade at your door, not going and taking that opportunity to maybe go to Baltimore and, you know, hindsight, 50-50, knowing the future he would be starting right now?

Do you think that's what it is? That's what they're trying to say. I didn't get that off that. Did you get that off that, Deepa? No, I got, I got, I got, I got none of that off that, dude. I got none of that off that. So I feel like, you got these people out here. Yeah, they reach and they reach and they're out chasing.

They're looking for something that they could write and read about. I don't know. I don't understand how that even, you know, flipped over to that. Now you see why Shador went and did a mime interview because if you don't say nothing, they can't twist nothing. Yes. everybody is so fucking messy when it comes to this

because it's Dylan Gabriel and a Shador you can't say nothing Dylan didn't say nothing I felt like that was attacking Shador and if Shador says anything they're going to crucify the man so he tries not to then he's going to mind you so like I feel him

you can't win for losing you know what I'm saying and I don't think Dylan said anything going at Shador in that sound bite, he's just trying to, he's trying to avoid controversy. He's saying, I'm just waiting for my opportunity, you know what, da-da-da-da, like, what can the kids say? You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't think that they're trying to switch up stuff and put them into like real,

there's a quarterback battle, obviously. Listen, man, they're trying to say that, you know, they're trying to say a little bit of everything. You know, Shadour had a famous song in 24. It was called Perfect Timing. You know what I'm saying? So they're trying to, they're trying to connect everything to something. Like, dude, just.

Oh, Nathan bust on my AP, perfect time. Right. Like, come on, man. Like, don't, you can't say nothing. Like, it's, listen, I don't believe he's going that deep into depth to be able to, soon as something comes up, you know, a perfect time, man. Come on. Oh, man.

That dude is trying, I think he's trying, he's trying to get ready. He's Dylan, and I'm rooting for Dylan. I'm rooting for Dylan. I'm rooting for Dylan, Gabriel. It's not his bad that he was drafted third round. It's not his bad that he's in the position that he's in. And every time I've seen him in the preseason, he hasn't looked bad. He's looked like he knew a little something like he's throwing the ball.

I love the, I love the snap. He gets the ball out fast. So I'm rooting for him. I want him to be out there and be successful. But it's just when you have Shador on your team, everybody, anything the kid does, they maximize it. He tries to chill. He's been trying to, you know what I'm saying, work, get it done.

And now him not even being the kid. a backup quarterback, that's kind of, he's just, if I was your door, I feel some type of way because I know I'm a baller. I know what I got. And I just have to keep it humble. I'm keeping a chill. I'm trying to be as professional as possible. But as soon as I say something, now I can't say anything. So I feel for him. I know he's just trying to wait for his opportunity. And then it's just another slap in the face to when it's like, now you're not even going to be the backup to him. So Flacco is backing up Dylan Gabriel. So I just feel, I feel bad for Shador because I know he wants to play, he knows the skill set that he has, and he just wants to be able to go out and

perform. There's nothing he can do, nothing he could talk about. He's the backup quarterback. So why you keep putting the camera in my face? Don't ask me no questions. They're like, what you want me to say? They need something. They need something to talk about, dude. They need that, you know, I don't understand why all these reporters is doing that, especially a lot of them being like you're in Cleveland. Like, I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't understand. Or clout for Chase. You know, Joe said, it's going to get caught up. up somewhere. Yeah, Joe said on the bench and he said, I don't think I foresaw it. What would he

mean that he don't think he foresaw it? I don't understand that. Like, what didn't you foresee? Joe, you got what, six picks, one touchdown in four games. They drafted two quarterbacks just in case. They got like a, what was it, a third and a fifth? And like, what didn't you foresee? Like, it was some point in time that if things weren't going well, which they aren't, like, you, you don't throw, you don't through more picks, six times more picks than touch. Like, that's crazy. The writing was on the wall. Yeah, what, didn't you, I mean, unless your vision don't went bad, too, Joe.

I hope, that one, you couldn't foresee, you couldn't foresee that. That would have been in the back of my head, like, um, this boy in here. I guess it might be I think about it be my time right behind him that man getting a little bit he got some first team reps hold up now

you know what I'm saying oh man I don't know how you didn't foresee that one brother no flaco he's wilding I think he he I don't know I don't know why he did I think he lied but you had to

I think he lied they drafted two quarterbacks and you've been playing bad and you've been in the league for 17, 18 years, you know how this go. Right. You are right there. You are holding down the fort until you not.

And you wasn't. So they're going to be in the young bulls. Like, yeah, like you said, you wasn't holding down the fort. Like, they got two young boys in there. They got you there just, yeah, you go ahead, try and show them something. If we could win with you, we would do it. We know, you know, maybe they ain't ready. We don't want to throw them into the fire yet.

But now, you know what? It got hot. You know, we might mess around lose our job. So we got to go ahead and see what we could do with what we went out here and drafted. See if it could give us some hope for, you know, the next, for the rest of the season, rather. You know what I'm saying? Thousand percent. Yeah.

So my guy, Deshaun Elliott, he over here, he had a profane rant, I guess. He posted his, he got a fine. He told him, count your fucking days. Y'all worried about the wrong thing. we got a we got a picture of that let's fix the things that actually means something did he get fined by the team or by the league he got fined by the league and he tagged the NFL and the NFLPA now he's upset that he got fined for wearing a I believe it was a black towel what do you what do you think about this man you know how that is

debo said he said listen man he said y'all worried about the wrong thing let's fix the things that actually means something. I mean, some of the shit is, it's cold, it's dress cold. Like, socks, I would get fine all the time for my socks if your knees being exposed. You know what I'm saying? And then in Cleveland,

sometimes your cleats had to be a certain car. Look here, Joe. Let me tell you, Joe. This is where I'm at with. He tagged the NFL and NFLPA. NFLPA, executive, director. That's go be me, okay? Yes, yes. I'm the person. that you would be talking to. Now, here is what it is.

Hey, Ellie, don't you come at me with this bullshit. You know getting down well. You can't be wearing a different colored towel and all that other stuff. They go through the whole dress code. So if you want to do something out there, just like Joe said, you go get a fine for showing your knees. You go get a fine for not wearing your socks.

How you're supposed to wear them? You're working for the NFL and the Steelers. You know that was coming. So don't bring this bullshit to my table when I'm NFLPA executive director, okay? You knew what you was doing. Debo, that's exactly right. Because when I go out there during, they tell me your knees is out, Joe, you're going to get fine for that. They make sure when you come back in the locker room, they let you know what's good, what's not.

And you got money towels. And if they don't catch it, don't mean they ain't go catch it later on during the rest of the thing and find you on Wednesday or Monday or Tuesday, whatever it is. You know what you're doing wrong. That is. It is. You know, what it would look like, bro? I know my socks a little. What you think? Yeah. Yeah. I know it ain't right. But you know what? I'm going to take whatever that fine is because it's worth it for me to look like this. No. I ain't taking no fine. I'll be uniformed out. I'll be head to toe. A to Z, one, two, three. I ain't letting y'all take no money for a fine. And you won't get fine for that, though. So at the end of the day, there's ways you can put your gear on, right color, and still look as sweet as you want to. Still look as sweet as you want to. Still look as. fresh as you want to, but there is rules to make us look uniform, to make everybody look like we're professional football teams out there.

That's why, like, college football, having their jersey all rolled up in their stomach, stomach's out, you know what I'm saying? No, no knee pads, basically just thigh pads out there. You know what I'm saying? Like, they look like they're playing in the backyard sometimes. You know what I'm saying? Some of the players, I'm like, dude, you don't look cool. You look bad.

Put your jersey. Like, that doesn't look cool. You look kind of weird. So I think there's a reason why you have to have certain. things in the league. And you may think it's like, oh, man, it's petty shit. But that's why we're a professional. Everybody looks like, it looks like the NFL out there because we have to be a chick dress coat. Exactly, dude. You're working for somebody else, man. You're working in Nate and they come. They got a dress coat. I was taking that fine. So sometimes if you

want to be cool and wear something different, just know, take it on the head. I did it because I was trying to be sweet. And everybody has, every team has a guy. that marks everything down. If you want to go up to him and be like, yo, am I good with this? Am I good with that? When you know you got something bad on, he's going to let you know.

He's going to tell you. You took a chance, man. You took a chance. You got caught. And now you upset. I don't know why. I don't understand it because you knew what the penalty would be.

Like, that's there. I was never one that was like, you know what, man, I got to take this, you know, $10, $15,000 fine, because I got to look good. I got to make sure I got, no. No.

I was taking a fine. Sometimes I'm not going to lie. Sometimes I was doing the socks a little bit. They was giving me for my socks. I'm like, I don't need my knees cover. I don't feel as fast. I'm sorry. So sometimes I'm like this, man, y'all, I'm out of here, my knees is out.

So, and I knew I was going to get that fine. I was going to get hit. Right. With the visors, you know, you can't wear dark vizers unless you have the script. You got a script. Yeah. They'd be telling Joe, I wear it for pregame. You got to take that out, Joe.

Right. How many guys wear the advice for pregame and come back out? So a lot of the times, the dude may not even say nothing to you because he's like, oh, this is your program. Look, you're going to come back out and you're going to be in the right attire. So they don't want to sit there marking down 65 things when the dudes come back out. It's all going. Like, it don't, it don't, yeah.

You're not getting no, you're not getting no pity from Depot on this one. Yeah. You're not getting no support over here for this, man. That's just, that's just not. might be these young players, man. Like, it don't, it don't make no sense. He's talking about they worried about the wrong thing. I think you might be worried about the wrong thing.

You might be worried about the wrong thing. Hey, you do. That boy, C-J. Strong. He said, he said he lost his athleticism at 23. Listen to what he said, man. Being 23, I'm not, like, fully in my grown man body all the way yet. You know, I'm still growing every, like, every year. And I just think, like, I've got to just continue to be hard.

myself about not only just lifting weights but eating the right foods like that's been a big thing too um so yeah that that's just a thing where I think the explosiveness comes from like being better with my diet being better with um you know stretching and like um I feel like I'm getting old so I got I'm not I'm not as quick as I used to be I was watching my high school stuff a couple days ago I was I was like 180 and I was rolling not no more but yeah I try to just be better with that stuff so I can rough ass. All right.

What you got to say about that, man. Hey, man. C.J. Strout, man, that's an unathletic answer. Like, at 23, you're supposed to be, you're primed. That's where you're just, like, 23 to 26. Like, that's when you're the best,

of the best, of the best that you could ever be, athletically. I mean, for me, I was peak. You know what I'm saying? Like, right around that age. Like, that's when you got your grown mask. You're starting to get into your grown mask. If you're not 18, 19, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're getting it.

You feel it. You're starting to grow into your body. By that time, two, three years in the league. Like, boy, this is supposed to be the best version of yourself that I've ever seen. You know what I'm saying? So I understand, like, when you're being able to diet better. You know what I'm saying? Like, understanding your food and being,

able to take care of your body more. Well, he's trying to say he was dieting better in high school than he was not as a pro. That's crazy to me. Dude, you're a 23-year-old at 23, bro. I could go three days, no sleep, rise, sunshine, all that. Yes. Party to the wheels who fell off, still be at the gym by 6'7. I do that every three days straight before I was like, you know what?

I might need to get some sleep. No, for sure. What are you talking? Maybe he's just joking, man. He's talking about he hit a wall. A wall at 23, 24, stop playing, man. Stop playing. You want to see a wall.

It's a little wall at 30. It's another wall at 35. If you're blessed enough to be around the league that long, then you go really hit some walls. And if you're talking like this right now at 23, I don't know. The Texas might want to be looking for another quarterback because you are already giving me the perception that you personally thinking in your head

that you ain't got what you had in high school right now. That is not something that I want to hear from my quarterback who I don't post to make my franchise player for the next hopefully six, eight years. Nah, that ain't what I'm looking for. Maybe we might have to start looking for another one to pick up. Like I said, I just. That doesn't sound too positive. I mean, I hope at the end of the day, I like C.J. Strake, Strake, he's a great kid.

I think that he just, I don't know. He needs to talk about his food and talking about his workouts and all that stuff. I think that's something where, like, dude, that's what you, like, be on that. What are we talking about? This is where, like, you're supposed to be building up to this stuff to getting, getting better. It seems like, no, like, I mean, I don't know. It didn't seem like a real good, it didn't seem athletic to me. That's for damn show.

That's what it didn't seem like. You're supposed to, you know, like, you're supposed to grow, get better, get all that. You know, like, even when when I came in, you know, my first 2002 until about 2005, six around near. Oh, like you said, I'm burning a candle at both ends. But then I'm like, you know what, man? Like, this game can help me get like generational wealth, man. I got to be able to play this as long as I can. So from 2000, about five, six, I started cutting things out.

I'm like, you know what? I'm not, you know, I'm not drinking, you know, during the week. I changed my diet. You know, I started eating clean. I started eating better. I stopped eating out, you know. two, three times a day. Now I was doing, you know, meals that were made at home

that was made with good, you know, good quality food for all that. So, yeah, and then from that, I was like, you know what, I'm not going to drink during the week, but I'll party on the weekend and an off season. And then as that time progressed, I'm like, you know what? From me doing that, I saw a result. You know what? I'm going to do now is I'm not going to drink during the season at all.

You know what I'm saying? And that would be like, okay, I'm going to have a couple drinks for something when we do our rookie dinner or something like that. You know, that would be the time I would drink. But I would still do something in the off season. Then I got to where, you know what, I'm getting older. I can't even go hard, do nothing like that in the off season. So I got to where, you know, I would be almost year-round and wouldn't have no alcohol.

The easiest way to stay in shape is to never get out of shape. I didn't take as much time off anymore, you know, when I was younger, you know, I may take off six weeks or something. Now I'm like, you know what, I got a week. I'm a chill, especially, you know, if I'm hurt, something's hurt, trying to get my body right, whatever that may be. And then I'm, you know, I'm right back at it. That's one of the, you know, that's one of the things.

But to say this at 23, like, that's, that's wild, dude. And I was 39 years old. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not well from a position that, you know, guys are playing, you know, well into their late. 30, some early 40s, you know? Yeah. No, and then you're at the quarterback position, too, man.

We're going to need you for the long haul. And that's not really sounding like that you think you're going to have like, that you're, it sounds like you're, like, you're, it might, the end of your career might not be as long as the beginning. You know what I'm saying? Like, I was thinking like you're prepping up for something, but it seems like you're already like, oh, man, I'm getting up there. Like, no, you're not.

You're not getting up there. You still have had your first contract yet. Like, we still, we're talking about him not as fast as I, you're not as fast as I. used to be, I can't run. Brother, you still didn't get your first rookie deal. Where you at, your position that you're at now, you need to be getting more knowledge, understanding, reading things faster. Do you think Tom Brady stayed around that long because he was fast?

No. No. Stead around that long because he could see it, read it, understand it, and get it out. Like, yes, you need athletic ability and all the other stuff. But, dude, the position you're in, you need to see it and get it out. Like, don't. 23, saying that, and you just. No, I don't, I don't like that at all.

And the more I think about it, the more it kind of disturbs me. Yeah, no, for sure, man. 23 years old, that's just not a, it's not something that you want to hear from a 23-year-old player at all. I mean, I think I could respect him, but saying about his just athleticism and maybe that might, that's not his strength. We never look at him as a blazer. Like, that's something that, oh, yeah, we see Jay Strout. He's going to use his legs and get out of there. No.

So I could, I can understand, like, he's not the most. athletic person at all, but I just don't want you to be sounding like my quarterback's getting old. It may just be talking just like, you know, just trying to talk negatively about yourself. Like, I don't like the mindset that's coming from it. You know what I'm saying? They're already going to talk bad about you, CJ. Don't do it to yourself. Right, right. Don't, don't give them more fuel for the fire, man. Like, and, and, you know, actually to say it to the media, like, right there, you know, even with a laugh. Like, I don't. Like, that's something that obviously is in his head.

Like, I'm not looking at my high school film, bro. I'm playing the game. Why am I looking at high school? I'm like, oh, man, I just felt like I was faster. But no, I should, I shouldn't, I should be able to destroy high school me. You know what I'm saying? There should be no comparison to high school me. Yeah, anything.

Flick at a rest. Like, man, you were 16, 17 years old. You told, and it's like, that's what I'm saying. You were a kid. And now you've grown man, 23. And we're talking about you getting, oh, no, no. And you're still young. You're still a young man.

You've just been able to, you've been past 21 for two years. You can't, you can't rent a car. You can't even rent a car. You can't even rent a car. He can't rent a car yet. He can't rent a car by a son. Until you can rent a fucking car. Man, I don't know.

Maybe it's the young players, man. Who knows? So we over here in Philly, man, I guess multiple execs thinks that they have an issue over there and that A.J. Brown, Jeremy Fowler, thinks that AJ Brown could be traded this offseason. I guess his relationship or lack thereof, you know, he had his tweet that he said and he had to do some, I guess, explaining over that issue. Do you think that they'll be able to keep that together? Do you think his, do you understand, Do you believe his frustrations is cool, it's, you know, it's warranted?

Like, how do you believe this situation will come out? And do you think that it's a better way for him to handle it? I think that A.J. Brown knows he's a baller. And numbers are the reason why you get paid at receiver. And it's a team sport, but you know that when you get to that table, those do is going to be looking at it like this, oh, yo ass only had 600 yards for 40 catches like they're going to make him they're going to add his value is going to be on his numbers we know that he didn't get any worse he's still that dude

he can still be making you know what I'm saying like 1500 yards we know if he gets the opportunities so he's kind of looking at it like I want to be helping the team I know that we can I can get a jump start like he's not I don't feel like he's trying to be negative but at the end of the day he knows he can affect the game and help the team out. So he wants to be more effective. He wants to help the squad. And at the end of the day, you got to get your numbers when you're trying to get back to that table.

So they can't just be talking about. Did they pay him yet? Oh, yeah, they paid him. What did he get? When did they pay him? I mean, I can't say exactly, but I know he getting, I know he's getting paid. He up there.

He's getting around 30. I think he'd get him around 30 a year. So he's knowing that end of the day, She has to keep those numbers, keep performing. He knows he can do it. He's not trying to take away from the team, but he just wants to help. You know what I'm saying? And he knows that if his numbers aren't looking good, it's not all about the numbers,

but when you get to that table, as a wide receiver? It's a lot of the numbers. Especially, you know, at that position, I understand his frustration. He only got, you know, 14 past, I think 151 yards or something like that, 28 targets and that's not really good but you've got to look at it like you said you're 4 and 0 I mean they only averaging 138 yards pass in the game understand his current pace he's looking at what 640 yards 640 4 touchdowns maybe he got like a yards and catch incentive since he's already paid but who you know who knows

But I think it's a better way for him to like deal with this and like putting out tweets and all that is not it unless he tried to deal with it on the inside and it's not working. But again, ooh, you're, you're four and oh. And, you know, he says when they're struggling, you know, he wants to be da-da-da-da. I mean, every team struggles throughout the period of game. But you ain't struggled enough to even lose a game yet. So, you know, like I said, to be coming. out, you know, with the cryptic tweaks after your 4 and 0, I understand, but I don't understand, you know, on his side, I can understand because he's a player.

He, you know, he's a person that has to do what's best for him or get what's best for him to be able to get the numbers so that he can maximize all the benefits that he's looking for. And then, you know, as a coach sitting back, like, yo, we're doing what's necessary to win. We're 4 and 0. Like, you know, what are we talking about? That's like me, you know, screaming and hollering that, you know, hey, man, I ain't got no sex. We ain't, you know, whatever.

We ain't bliss and we plan, you know, whatever it may be. And we don't need to because we're four and oh. And I don't, yeah, I don't understand. It gets to a numbers game and especially at the position. Oh, big numbers game for receiver. Like, you're not going to make no pro bowl, no all pro with these numbers. And those are your things. When you're trying to go haul, when you're trying to make.

make your career and trying to make a statement for yourself. It's like, oh, what happened is doing? You had 40 catches for 650 yards. Ah, that's not Hall. That's not Hall of Fame activity. You know what I'm saying? So when you're trying to create your resume as a player and just not all, like when we say this, numbers don't need everything.

Okay, so tell me this, tell me this. Yo. If you were playing receiver, yes. Receiver. Would you rather go? for 1,500 yards, 6 years straight, or you go for under 1,000 for 6th straight, but you get 2 Super Bowls? I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with the Super Bowls, D'Beau. I'm going to go with the Super Bowes. I'm going to go with the Super Bowes. I'm going to go with the Super Bowls.

I'm going to go to Super Bowels. Super Bow's. If I wasn't receiving- You all you got to do is look behind me. I know. I see. I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, you know, for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Personally, you know, got you the Super Bowl. 1,500, 1500 or 9, or 900 and to Super Bowl?

Here's the crazy thing, dude. I've asked guys this question. Would you go in and make double what you made over your career but have no Super Bowes or make half of what you made over your career but have Super Bowls. Here's the crazy thing. The guys that never went to a Super Bowl or won a Super Bowl, most of them take the money. The guys that went to a Super Bowl and didn't win a Super Bowl, would take the Super Bowl. And guys like me who have Super Bowes went to the Super Bowls, won and lost, I'm keeping my Super Bowls.

I don't need to double my net. Where would- Don't need to double the nugget. Respect. Yeah, for sure. I ain't never had one, so I'm a double my, I'm a double my bag. Yeah, I don't. I don't understand it.

Like, and like you said, you just signed, what was it, three year, 96 million, 84 million guaranteed just last year. Like that's A.J. Brown's contract? Receiver guaranteed period. I'm talking about Brown, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I told you. I knew he got the bag. Like, you got the bag.

Like, okay, let's start tripping maybe after this year, maybe next year. Yeah, because you got three years. That's the part, too. You're in the guarantee. You're in the guarantee situation right now. This year, 30 to the good, guaranteed. Okay, so we ain't got to even worry about nothing. 84 out of 96, Joe.

Which, another 30-some to the good. Hey, we got to worry about. Oh, contract. Hey, listen, we're coming up on that last year. Now, let's, hey, I mean, coming up on that last year? I need 12, 1,500 now. 12, 1,500. Do you hear me?

I need 12, 1,500. For sure. Right now, though, when you're making that good money, you're chilling, your team's winning. Right now, you got two years he could really be on some chill, chilling, because that guarantee is coming in. You know you want it to be good. So just that GUT is what it is. Get you another two Super Bowls, you know, and you're coming up on that last one. Now, hey, I got to eat.

I got to. I got to eat. Like, we got to eat. Time. That ain't the case. That ain't the case. We got better some now. That guaranteed up, you know.

That's time for me. I mean, do I got a slot? And at the same time, two, Eagles, they're paying him $30-some million to not even go too crazy. So I'm like, you, I mean, don't. They just pay you, and they're using you how they're using you. They're not blaming you. They're not blaming you. You got 84 guarantee.

You can't go nowhere for the next two years, at least. Let's chill. Sit back. Cool. Don't get your catches in practice. Get all that. You know? You're young, bro.

Get your jugs on, man. Just make sure the things is ready. Just get the jug machine going and you're going to be solid. Why you collect? Yeah, for sure. Jump down here to Miami, man. That, uh, Tua said that he is now focused on carbs and fluids to avoid concussions. what do you think of that like what's your what's your take on that you believe that's i mean i know

fluids yes definitely because you can't be dehydrated i understand i understand the carbs too because like your basic like the brain basically needs some form of glucose like good carbs not bad carbs not all that artificial refined stuff you know what i'm saying and that's why some people who uh do like low carb or no carb diets they get what you call like uh it's like brain fog. You know, your brain needs some sort of, some sort of, what they call it, cerebral, cerebral, cerebral glucose. So it helps to, you know, be able.

Some people, and like, it's for individually, individually, too, like, I know I can function on no carbs. I'm used to doing it. I've been able to do it. Some people, they can't function, dude. They can't, they can't remember where they, you know, where they set their keys, you You know, two minutes after they drop them down. Another thing is neck strength, dude.

A lot of people don't understand this, dude. Neck strength is one of the mitigating factors for a concussion. The stronger your neck is, the less likely you are to get a concussion. Like, that's something. You know, I used to always had a four-way neck. You're not doing here, here, here, all that. Yes, yes, yes. Necks or conference strength, all that, you know, adds to it.

Because when you get, well, when you get a lot of the concussions, too, when they hit, their back hitting their head just snapped back to the ground. You got that, your neck strong as shit, your head ain't just going all over the place. It ain't going to just pop. You can keep that. Like, even when I was doing the show, wrestling heels, so if you get slammed on the mat, what you're taught to do is slap like this. So when you hit, you slap with your hands, but you hold your head up.

So it's boom, your head eventually goes back, but it's not that. Like, you know, where you just bamming it on it. You're not just whipping it to the joint. Yeah. Yeah. So neck strength is a big thing. And I understand the carbs. Hydration, of course, you know, it helps. But if you really want to work on your concussions, bro, go in there getting that four-way neck, all the neck exercise that you can get to strengthen your neck. Yeah, no, no bullshit. That's definitely going to help his ass.

I didn't know about the carbs, though. I ain't know about the carbs that can really help out. Yeah, everybody's different. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's body's different. Some people can function without them. Some people can't. Some people, you know, figure out how to. It's just, it's up to, you know, it's in each individual, you know, one thing don't, you know, work the same for everybody.

That's why it's fine effects from here to there. And then some people don't get none, you know. That's, um, shit goes differently with different people. Yeah, yeah. You had concussion before? Because I know, I had a couple. Mm-hmm. I had, well, you know, when they considered ringer, dingers, zingers, all that, that's...

Oh, no, I'm talking about them real joint. The real, were you out? Like, I had one. You know what I'm talking about? Boy, you went to sleep for a second. Yeah, I had one of my rookie year when I, um, I was in, I was actually playing the Detroit, dude. It was my rookie year. It was the first time I think Clark Hades had got, uh, got hurt.

So I had to play like a whole bunch of that. I had to do kickoff, kickoff returns. So I played like three quarters, dude. And I remember the tight end coming across blind on him And next thing I know, they out there Like, hey, hey, you good? I'm like, what y'all doing out here? I'm like, it was like I wasn't out.

I just hit the tight. What did you talk about? It's like, no. I'm like, dude, I wasn't out, man. What y'all talking about? So I watched it out. Well, it didn't even have it on the gang copy. So, you know, you go over to the sideline.

They say, okay, you know, what's today? You got a chance. Hey, it's Sunday. They're like, yeah. I'm like, all right, cool. I mean, I remembered everything. That wasn't an issue. And like, you know, the next series I'm back in.

You know, now you're done. Oh, you was definitely out for show. And then I had one in Cincinnati when I was in Cincinnati, bro. So I go. And this one, I didn't remember. But I know I lost track of time somewhere. But I played the whole time. So I go and I hit, it was Katrie.

I bombed on him, right? Woo! Right. So I get up and I'm talking. And I remember going to the next play. And then I don't remember nothing after that until I'm standing on the sideline, bro. And I'm standing on the sideline. And we're playing in Pittsburgh.

And I'm with Cincinnati. And I hear. you know the crowd like just start off quiet and loud and I and as I start coming to I look and I'm like I'm on a sideline and they they must have just scored because it's a whole another like 14 points on the board or something right I don't know what doesn't happen and I'm sitting there and I'm like oh my God I think I got a concussion so now we know you know you know The side effects and concussion and all that. And I'm sitting there.

And I'm like, oh, shit. I just missed some parts of this game. I don't know how much football I'd have missed, right? But I'm standing on the sideline, bro. That's a scary feeling. And I'm sitting there. And I'm like, that's a scary feeling. I'm like, do I, I'm like, do I tell them?

I don't remember. Do I have a game? And then now, like I said, we got the knowledge. And I'm like, no. I'm like, they ain't paying me like that. That ain't worth my life. I'm like, yo, I got a concussion, bro. Like, what?

I'm like, yes. I'm like, I don't remember nothing from the time. Brother, you tell her, is that? I just came to. I just came right. I'm standing on the skyline, bro. And I just came too. Man, I played like four or five more snaps.

They ended up scoring. And then it was like a punt or something. And they was returning a punt for a touchdown. And that's what woke me up as I was standing on the sideline. Brud, that was the most scariest shit ever. What was yours like, bro? Mine was kind of the same. I had one, and it was in the Ravens game, bro.

I was going to go get a tackle, and the dude was blocking me and had my arm, and I couldn't put my hand down. My head just, bum, bust into the ground. Same way, all of a sudden, I just see people, Joe, you good, you good, you good? I'm thinking it's just right, like it happened, and then I just opened my eyes. It's probably been a good minute, you know what I'm saying? And I'm looking around, everybody, nobody's out. I'm like, oh, shit, walk me off to the sideline, go to the back,

get to ask me what date it was. Same thing you said deep below, Sunday. I don't know the number of the day. You got to go with Sunday, which is Sunday. We're in Baltimore for show. Yeah, didn't remember they kept my ass out of there, but that was my worst one.

You had more than one that was out, out. I had two. I had two. What was the other one? The other one, thinker, that's the crazy part. I'm trying to remember the other one. You still don't remember?

I'm still concussed from that joint. Bro, that ain't funny. Let me stop laughing, bro, man. Listen, man, I don't know why we love this, man. I don't know. You know what? We got to stop laughing. We're laughing to stop us from crime.

We're laughing to stop us from crime. Yeah, you got to laugh and keep from crying sometimes. For sure. Yeah, that's something that I do the game. They say the new kicking ball procedures have drastically changed field goals. Todd Bowles says long field goals. are about the Terminator, about the Terminator. What the hell?

I can't read that. It's about like kickers. Terminator like kickers. Not the kicking balls. What is going on with these kicking balls? What's, I don't know what's the thing. So I think what's coming down is they're letting them do the kicking balls now like they do the game balls. You know how you get a game ball and you grab it fresh out the box?

It's slick as cat shit. You can't grab it. Yes. So they're letting them scrub the balls up to condition them so you could grip them. Well, I think before with the kicking balls, they just used a new ball. You had no basically grip on it. So they let them. You weren't able to do it like the quarterbacks do.

Yes, yes. So I don't see a, I don't see an issue with it, dude. I think they're just, don't get me wrong. They're being able to, we can, you see a whole lot of long field goes now. Yeah. I think you would get that before if you just like, that's like trying to catch a brand new ball out the box, dude. You're not going to catch one of those brand new balls out the box. No. Without gloves on. It's no way.

Like, they're, they're slippery. They're not just, like, they're not just, they're slippery. For real. That's that, and it's like, it's, it feels like it's almost like a coating over the, the material of balls somewhat. Like, I don't know. know what it is, but if you don't, if you don't have time to work with those, brush them up, get them in, like they're coming. So that's all that they're doing. All that they're doing is massaging the, dang, that was about to be crazy, massaging, yeah.

All they're doing is, uh, damn, how do you say that without being crazy? All they do is massaging the footballs, that's it, like the quarterbacks do. I was like, oh my goodness, I'm sounding crazy. How do I say this? They're massaging the football. Yeah. So, you're basically getting into, like, the way the quarterbacks do it, though. Like, they're not taking no air out.

They're not putting no air in. They're just literally massaging the slickness off the ball. Right, right. Oh, well, that's too bad then. Coach, they go, that's a regular ball. You just got the right amount of P.I. air in it. Let them boot the joint. Right.

You got, you got the air you're supposed to have in it. Like, it don't make no sense. Some people like to wear new shoes every game. Some guys like to break their shoes in during the week. in, where, you know, in the game. That's, you know. Preference. That's preference.

But for this, that's not preference, dude. If you told them they couldn't do nothing with a ball that was just fresh out the box, they had to play with brand new balls that weren't worked in, weren't conditioned into it. The game would have totally different. You know what? Yes. They want points. I'm tripping.

I don't even know what I'm tripping on. I should have knew this. They want points. They won't points, you know. More points. So they let them condition the ball. I don't see a problem with it. You're not doing anything, you know, illegal.

You're not deflating or hyper-inflating the ball. You got to have it at a certain, you know. So I don't. Because somebody, if I don't think if anybody, I don't know if anybody touched it, like make sure they get the Duke. The fresh Duke NFL football, fresh out of the pack. That's impossible to play. You can't play with that ball.

So like instantly, everybody, every team I've been on, all quarterbacks want them either like a certain type they want their they want their football to feel so you got to every i've never seen the quarterback use a football fresh out of the pack and just bring it to the practice field that doesn't that never seen it before yeah so previously teams got three brand new kicking balls within 30 to 90 minutes before a given game started so as of 2025 teams get all 60 kicking balls to start a year with unlimited time to break them in then each can use up to three a game yeah okay okay I mean I'm not mad at that at all I just think that this is going obviously back up that that line so how do you

make sure that it's oh they got numbers on them I'm tripping yep they got numbers on them they locked in they locked in they got they got numbers on me so you can only use three you get all of can you reuse them? But that's the crazy part. No, you can't reuse them. You got to use the three. That makes sense why they be trying to get them them kicking balls back so bad.

Like, if the drink goes into the stands, they're trying to go get that. Because I'm like, you only got three. I guess each one can be used in three games. So. Each one can be used in three games? Yeah. It can be used up to three games.

So basically I could take three balls and I could use them for those three games. And then you got to switch them out. Then you got to switch them out. Because he said they get 60 of them? Yeah. They said they get 60 balls to kick. Or they get 60 balls, you know, at the start of the year that are the kicking balls with unlimited time to break them in. Then each team can use up to three against three.

can use up to, yeah, then each can be used up to three times a game, up to three games, sorry, three games. So each ball can be used for three games total. Perfect. Yeah, the own coaches, the Eagle D. I'll tell you what, it don't matter what kind of ball they put on the ground for me. I can't kick that son, but so it ain't, it don't matter. You got to have a skill. You got to have a skill, for sure.

And I think, man, the Eagles, D.C., you might, like, hopefully your kickers making sure his ball is perfect, so he can boot that thing 60 yards. Definitely do. Nigger, man, they get mad. They ain't got a good kid. Hey, they is, they is firing off on them balls. But back in the day, didn't they? No. Back in the day, they had a different-shaped ball, didn't they?

No. You're talking about back in the day day. You're talking about what other helmets? Yeah. Probably. But back in the day, Debo, we only had to guard the 35-yard line. That was what I was taught at first, the guard of 35. Now the nigga got a damn guard to 50.

Because as soon as they pass half, they can kick the field goal from there. Hey, if you got a good field goal kicker, bro. Oh, yeah. Dangerous. Yes. Yes. Like this dude, this one dude, he's like, he's like, the coldest full roll kicker, man.

Like, um, um, um, bankroll, Bob. Bonds! Bankroll! No. Come on. Bankroll. Hey, look. I ain't no hitter on here.

You know I love bank row. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. You got lucky, man. You got lucky. I made him the greatest kicker alive, man. You want to know how I get it.

Man, I told that boy, if he missed that field, you're going to wash my bag and that shot. You scared him to greatness. I scared him to greatness. Hey, you welcome, baby. Hey, I don't even need no thank you, no appreciation, you know what I'm saying? It ain't, I don't need it, man, but we, hey, between you and me and everybody else in the world. Now, we know.

We know. I made you who you are. Okay. Little bank roll. Bankroll, boss. Oh, man. Yeah. We got some, we got some money here.

We got some donations here. Let's say, Rudy B. $10. Thank you. We appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. He said,

What's up from Heath Miller country? Well, hey, that's down there in VA, ain't it? Heath Miller? Ain't that Heath Miller? And Heath Miller from VA? I think so. Okay. Okay.

He said, let's go. Blitzburg. Love you guys. Joe in 9-2 from Swords Creek, VA. I told you it was VA. You did. I told you. I'm good like that, bro.

You're good like, I knew it. Okay, geographical debo. Yeah, you know, I'll say I do what I could do when I could do it. But, you know, when I can't do it, I still do it. You still do it. And you know, I'm going to come, you know me, I'm in good old London. Brown's about to go ahead and get it done, though, somehow. Hey, don't, don't mess around out there and get popped by the same team.

We just, fuck. Okay, what they're about to do? Say, tell me what they about to do because you there with them, you're talking to them. I ain't got to say, you ain't got to say, oh, they say it, hit, say it. Just tell me what you say they about to do to the Vikings. This right here is what Joe is saying the Browns are going to do to the Vikings, run it. They ain't come all this way just to come this way. We came out here to whoop ass and take names.

That's all I got to say. about that. That's it. That's all you got to say. Hey, Vikings, Browns came out there to whip your ass and put your names on their list. I just want you all to know that Joe Hayden said that this. We're here for a good time, not a long time. They've been here for two weeks. They're getting all chill. They're eating all these crepes and grapes. Get out of here. Crapes and grapes. What about the, don't they got tea or somewhere in London or something? They got T2 and get out of here. We ain't come for none of that.

We came to whoop some ass and go home. A crumpet, a potato chip, a two? A crumpet. A chip. A chip a two. Listen. My business is pissed off. They didn't lost.

They had to stay out there almost two weeks. Yes. They mad. Listen, they're about to stump a mud hole in your ass and walk it. Oh! Yep. Okay. Yeah.

I'm a C-Y-Y-Bass on Monday, boy. I want that same energy. They're about to stump a mud hole in your ass and walking- All right, look here, baby. We want to thank you guys for joining us on Debo and Joe and I want y'all to go watch Vikings stumping mud hole in the brown's ass. Would y'all please be like to subscribe to our channel? We will be back at it on Monday.

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