Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Indiana beats Miami, Titans hire Saleh, former Steelers goes off on GM Omar Khan

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Fernando Mendoza and Indiana defeating Carson Beck and Miami in the College Football National Championship, the Miami Dolphins hiring Jeff Hafley, the Tennessee Titans hiring Robert Saleh, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Indiana beats Miami11:50 - Dolphins hire Jeff Halfley22:18 - Titans hire Robert Saleh30:50 - Does Harbaugh regret not waiting for Bills job?36:36 - Pat Pat Freiermuth Disappointed in role48:15 - Eric Ebron calls out Steelers GM (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and download wherever you get your podcast. Joe, how you going today, Joe? I'm doing great, brother Debo. The national championship went exactly as I wanted it to go. The hurricanes lost. Okay. They did not win, so I'm good. Indiana, it was a good game.

I was happy to see that. And University of Miami came out to play, but wasn't enough. And for me, go Indiana. Go coach Kirk. Hey, hey, for sure. I'm with you. I'm with you on that. The reason I'm with you on that is because,

Chicago over there, my boy, Elle, he lost in Chicago. Okay. But he's from Indiana. He's in Indiana. He a Hoosier. So he had something to root for it. Like, so I was actually looking at it a little bit, but not really, you know, I turned it on. I clicked it on.

And when I clicked it on, dude from Miami struck off on him. On the first play I saw, I said, ooh, I got to turn the channel. I said, I ain't good luck right now. I said, I ain't good luck right now. See, Maddie. I had to come back to it later, baby. He opened up stride. He opened up stride.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He took off on them boys, dude. That boy Mandoza over there, though. They say, what, he capped off the perfect season? Bro. National title, first ever ranking for the Hoosiers. Come on.

First Hoosier quarterback to win a Heisman international championship. Yes. And likely, likely, first overall, Pete. The thing I say about this is I didn't watch DeBo. I ain't going to lie. I didn't ever watch too much of Mendoza throughout the year. And I didn't know. I didn't know if he was, they were.

think or phony. But I started watching during when they played Ohio State, you know what I'm saying, they were able to beat them. Then I watched when they walked Alabama 38 to 3. And that's when I started really to become a believer. He won the Heisman. He's a great kid. That's kind of what I see too. He's one of those like he's a goth fair man. Some people will call him corny. I call him that's exactly what GMs and coaches are looking for if you're looking for a quarterback to lead your franchise. He's going to give all the right answers. He's a try hard, really gives a good effort. He's not small.

He's like 6'4, got a big frame. He made some good plays out there. I mean, the one play that he did, bro, when they went for it on fourth down, they act like they were going for a field goal. They went for it, and they called a quarterback draw. And my man went running through everybody, fighting for his life, taking on tacklers and then Dover's in his own, everything, everything. Everything.

He showed me a little bit of everything. He showed me the love of the game. He showed me his dedication. You know, he might be a little corny. I like that. I like that. I think he had to do. Went out there, joined one and natty, look sweet.

And congratulations to my man's. Congratulations to Mendoza. And the coach, bro, Coach Kirk. Yeah, I've been hearing about him, man. He's from Pittsburgh. That's what I heard. And everywhere that he goes, he was like just like Google me. So I went Google them.

Hey, that's where I had to Google him. You got to Google him. And he's doing wherever he goes. That's what a great coach do. He's a leader. He's a leader. He's able to, and this is the other thing, they don't have Indiana. They don't have like all those five-star recruits.

They don't have those four-star. But this is what I realized, Ebo. They're old. Their team is 23-year average age. So this is what my man is doing. If you got a good team where there's two, two, two, star, three-star recruits, come into college. They start playing college football.

They get to get the speed of the game. So by the time it's their third year, he's going to the portal getting dudes that are two-star, three-stars, but they played a couple of years, got some good tape. By this time, I'm 21 grown man played four years of college football. Now I'm about as good as those five stars. Now they're basically five stars because they've had their experience. You know what I'm saying? So I think he's doing a really good job.

of seeing talent that isn't just, I'm not going to go pay these young dudes, millions of dollars, they come in and I don't know if they're already able to play, just losing money. It's picking, pick your poison. I'm going to go pick a two-year, three-year starter that's played in college football. Maybe wasn't the best coming out of high school, but now he's developed. He knows how to play ball, and I'm going to coach him up to be a great player. So I think he's doing a great job in that part, being able to manage the money, being able to get older players, not just all the five stars.

showing it's a way that it can be done because he beat Ohio State with 40-some-five, four-and-five stars. He beat Alabama, Oregon, you know what I'm saying? And then beat Miami with 40-some, five, four-and-five stars. So it can be done. Shout out to him because he's a great coach. The dudes out there loved them. And I, in my time, I was never, I wasn't taking Indiana serious until they started,

you know what I'm saying, until they started beating like Ohio State. Then they worked Alabama. And then, you know what I'm saying, Oregon. I ain't going to lie when I heard the Alabama. I think I wasn't tripping because Alabama ain't where Alabama used to be, you know what I'm saying? He's thinking, yeah, it was a weapon. I get it. I get it.

But when they beat those state, I was like, ooh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, it's something there. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He's doing a great job, like you said, of actually bringing them in and knowing the type of player that he has and the potential in that player and what he can get out of them. Uh-huh. Getting them in there and developing them to that point and pushing them to it, you know what I'm saying? Yep. Yeah, that's unbelievable. That's, dude, that's great coaching right there. It was great coaching because at the same time, like, I saw the quarterback.

He was out there taking what the defense give him. You know what I'm saying? When they were playing off, he was throwing a lot of those hitches, getting the ball out to his playmaker's hands, and they were just being able to methodically walk the ball down the field. Miami Hurricanes, their defense was still nice. Like, he was getting pressure. People were coming.

He was getting hit. Did you see, oh, my second, first drive hit my. man right underneath the chin. And I was like, oh my God, they didn't call no flatter. But he, you know what he did? He did the RPO and do you want to act like you got the ball? You're going to get fumbed. You need to go ahead and throw your hands up, Mendoza.

You know what I'm saying? Don't act like you got it. But he did get, bang. My man, lip was bleeding. I was like, bruh, okay, they're out here fumming. Yeah, yeah, that's wild, bro. Because I think Indiana's roster only had, like, what, maybe eight or so four or five-star players?

Like you said, Miami, they were sitting over there with 45, four or five stars fresh out of high school. Yes, but that's what I'm saying. That's that grown man strength. You play in versus grown men that's been in there. And they're four or five years starters. These two are average 22 years old. And Miami's probably, you got 18 years old. My man, their best player, number 10, he's supposed to still be in high school.

You know what I'm saying? He's out there hooping, though. Yeah. Yeah, I see what you're saying. But, you know, bird in the hand. Bird in the bus, you gotta go get what you can get when you can get it. I understand. No, no, for sure.

But the longevity of it, like, to be like, yo, I'm about to be that dude, dude. You know what I would do? That they allow now? What? I go two years, Juco. Then come back and get my other four because they don't even count against it. Oh, man. Yo, you coming in as I'm coming in.

I'm coming in freshman. I'm coming in freshman, 20-year-old grown man. I could get up out of there in three. Easy. Yeah. Like, dude, it's wild right now, bro. The things that you could do, and then on top of that, you still can get a rear shirt on it.

But if you're nice, though, you're going to go because they're going to pay you to dough. If you're nice, if you're not, if you're a second two-year, if you're a two-star, three-star, I can see them trying to go to Jukor route because nobody really paying you. Right, get you a year-in-out-you-com. No, for sure.

Especially if you ain't had time to, like, get in there, develop, play whatever it may be, what's going on. Yeah, get you a year in that J-Coh. Get the snaps. Get that grown man strength. No question. Yeah, but your boy Beck, what was he thinking on that last throw, though? It was an underthone ball.

Underthone ball. It's picked. I mean, my man to do. Hey, I was thinking the same thing, but then as I'm looking at it, I'm like, safety kind of slowed down. I was trying to get over the top. But then again, I'm like, if he just launched it, the receiver, never got to slow down. If you just go back pylon, you got to go back pylon, so where it's going to be out of bounds or outside shoulder.

Because the safety's in there, the D.Bs beat. You go back pylon. Only chance. Then that's where he's going to have to slow down. He don't got to run. You got to make sure that safety got a good angle. But if you throw the inside and underthone, that's going to be booked. That's going to be booked by either the corner or the safety.

So, yeah, he got to, he got to throw that. He got to let that thing fly. But in Indiana, they made plays when they had to. brother. And Mendoza, fourth and eight, back shoulder to get down there. Like, Indiana was not, they didn't give up the game. I liked it because it was a good game both ways, back and forth. You know what I'm saying?

Both teams battling, both teams making stops. But, yeah, Mandoza did what he had to do to go win that thing. And Indiana's winning. Dude, ain't back like 23, 24 or something? Yeah, he was on Georgia. He was for Georgia. He got two national championships, but he was the backup quarterback. Oh, okay.

Yeah, so he didn't go start for the game. So now this is his first time. Yeah, and I believe he said he graduated like two years ago, didn't he? Yeah, my man is out there during chilling, straight. That's, it's league. He's going to practice and going home. Going home, bro. He's going to, like, he got the real, he got, he got the real, like, NFL experience already.

That's what I'm trying to tell you, go. What's that two years, bro? Like, come on. Two years. You got to do better than that. You had a whole two years of, like, rookie rookie. Bro.

Come on, man. Wake up in the morning, your teammates got class, you're playing call a duty, or studying some film maybe, getting some breakfast. Vibbing. Because you don't have, your job is football.

Your job is to know what you're doing. You're going up to the facility. And he's still getting paid, right? Oh, yeah. For sure. For sure. They gave that man, about a good,

you got five mil, D'bo? Huh? Yeah, they got that man good. Mims. Back got good file like, believe, don't get me talking crazy, but I know it's at least three million. Man, get that money, man.

I ain't even tripping. Man, what? I ain't even tripping. I ain't even tripping. I wish I could have had that. Because, man, as soon as they get a hold of this and start cutting this down and changing these rules, man, it's going to be cast.

Let's go wish they was born just a little bit early. Man. It's like sometimes you'd be looking at contracts. You'd be like, damn, I wish I was born just a little bit late. No, for sure. Everybody. Man. You're sure, brother.

Inflation. Yes, sir, man. Miami, man, though. Dolphins. Yes. They hired a D.C. Jeff, what is it, Halfway? Jeff Halfley. Jeff Halfley.

I know that we love this. I love Jeff Halfley. Oh, yeah. You played under him? Go ahead, hydrate up. Yes, sir. I definitely played under him. 2014, he was my DB coach in Cleveland.

went to the Pro Bowl, Halfley. Great coach. Great coach. I mean, this is my thing, too. Now, Debo, I don't know how when we're saying with now coaches, the responsibilities of bringing in other staff, you know what I'm saying, hiring other position groups.

I don't know about that part. The one thing I tell you I know about Coach Halfley is he knows some defense and he made sure that I knew my job, the team knew what we was going to. on and I like him as a coach. He knows scheme. He knows ball. And he wasn't telling me no just coach talk.

He was giving me real things. He was giving me real. So he actually developed you. He actually developed my game, 1,000 percent. Okay. And I would, for sure, he came out to the pro ball with me, amazing coach. So I'm very, very happy for him. And I can't wait to see how he does with bringing coaches around him.

You know what I'm saying? Seeing how, being about how he accurate. or gives out, you know what I'm saying? Acclimates. Acclimates, yes, yes. Yeah, I don't, I ain't go lie. I ain't, I ain't know much about him other than, you know, he was the de-coordinator for Green Bay 24, 25, and then the head coach of Boston College,

yes, 20 to 23. I ain't a lie, I wasn't, a lie, I wasn't too impressed with that, though. It was, you know, you're talking about it, what was it, 22 and 26? You said, I guess sometime in between there, he must have flipped back forth between, in college and a pro somewhere between there. But, I mean, defense did well, I guess, in Green Bay for them. I mean, 24, I think there was like a fourth or something, but a 15th this year.

I mean, I know they lost some people. You just don't know. I don't know. I just don't know. Like, it's another, you know, you look at Miami and they don't have eight head coaches straight. had no coaching experience as a head coach. And then they haven't won a playoff game in the last, what, 20, 25 years, something like that.

You got, what is it, you got McDaniels, Flores, Gates. I'd say Soprano was in there somewhere. Matter of fact, now, think about it, they fired two coaches and Todd Bowles and, what's his name over there? and Detroit, Dan Campbell, they were interim coaches for those seasons

that they fired those two coaches. And then in between that, I don't know who it was. Actually had Nick Saban, too, right? Yep.

Okay. But yeah, I have a program different than the, you know, than the professional game. And the last time they won a playoff game

was 2000 with Wonstadt. And before that, what was it, Jimmy Johnson before he ended up walking up, like, you're talking about 90s,

was it even born then? Come on, Debo, 89, man. Oh, 89. Oh, okay, I'll just check it. I'm just checking it. So, you know, I don't know, man. They, um, you're doing the same thing. I don't, I don't know you.

You mean, I feel like when I look at it, it's like, it's like the ownership or something, dude. Like the ownership, just, they then got stuck in a phase where they just want to try and hire the new young talent and run with it from near. And then when you look at it and you start, like, really just digging it. into it. So I like to dig into stuff. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Like the team has been ran by what's his name Ross since what 08, 09, something like that.

The GM? No, no, the owner. The owner. Gms have been flying left and right. I think their longest tenure GM was what's his name, Chris Greer or something like that. I think he went he went, what was it,

16 to just this Halloween, he got fired. Actually, on my son's birthday he got God, thing. Yeah. Yeah. So now you've got to look at it. It got to be an ownership thing.

And, you know, you have to start, you know, with the owner. Like, he got the team in 0809. It was a lawyer. He started off. That's how he got his money, lawyer, tax attorney, all that bull, did the real estate. Actually did a good thing with the affordable housing development. Like, he did that. But you look at it now.

This dude got NFL, NBA, Miami, Grand Prix. Miami Grand Prix developed properties in the U.S. London. He got a lot of other stuff going on. He got a lot of other things going on. Like New York City, like all that stuff, bro. So he's looking at this

as a money investment. You know what I'm saying? Steve, Debo, and that's when we said. He may not understand what it takes to get a coach that's, you know, capable of getting a job done. Debo. So, like, instead of trying, you know what I'm saying,

to get the next best thing, like, get somebody already proven. I'm with you 1,000%. So what we're trying to say is, you're trying to say that there's owners that know what they're doing and there's owners that are just know what's about the money. And when it's the owner, we can't tell the owner what to do. So the owner's going to hire who he wants to hire.

He's going to put his foot where he wants to put it because the end of the day, the Miami Dolphins are still making money. They're going to make money regardless. So the smarts of the owner to be. able to hire the right people to put them in position to set them up. That's going to be, that could be a very long time until they figure that out. You know what I'm saying? And people are always like, oh, no, why is it all messed up like this? You don't have an owner that was able to get the right people in place to get the right GM and coach. And now they have to work together

because you are an owner. You have the money. Like that doesn't make you the smartest man in the room to make football decisions to be able to build a roster and make sure everything's good. You're still going to be able to make money because that's what football. teams do if you own the team the rights from the from peacock from prime from all that that's coming in regardless so you're going to make money if you own the team because you were fortunate enough to be able to buy the team but for your team to be successful then to hire a right head coach to get the right GM to start moving in the right direction to get your team building in the right way that's that's I mean that's Robert Kraft that's where Rooney comes in that's when you have ownership that all right

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So is it just about making the money? What they're going to make regardless if you own the team? Or are you going to pick the right people to put in place. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. I understand that all the way. When you go all the way back,

staying with Miami, dude, when they, what was it? I said 96 was Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson, that's another time around, I think it was like 94, 95. They ended up letting Schuller go. Uh-huh.

In that process, the guy that acquired the new team in that 94-95 timeframe, first thing he did was he hired Jimmy Johnson. And guess who he made his, GM, Jimmy Johnson. Okay, and in that process, I think they had like three playoff appearances, maybe one or two, two or three wins, something like that. And that spun off to something else, but it ended up being, I think it was Wonstadt.

Yeah, Wynstead came after that. Okay. And same thing. But from there, it's been a plethora of, you know, new coaches, been Aetam that, you know, haven't had a head coaching position yet. and, you know, it just doesn't, it just doesn't seem to be working out. And, you know, I understand, I think back in 0, 809, Mark Anthony or something, he was like a minority owner with the Williams sisters. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

And that right there, just recently 24, I think he sold maybe 10 or 15% of the team. But you're a minority owner. Like, minority does not mean. controlling owner. You are there simply as a money piece. Like the, with the Ravens, with the Ravens head, no, what the Ravens owner say? Yeah.

Hey, you have a lot to say, but you have no power. Yes. I'm a listen to you. When they come down to it, I'm going to be the person that has the power at the end of the day. Yes. And people, I think people realize that if you put, if you just actually change the,

hat and ask a person, if you run a business, you know what I'm saying? Your employee, how much say does he really have? You're going to listen to him if you're a good owner and like, be like, okay, you know, I'm going to take that into consideration. But at the end of the day, whatever you say, it's going to be what goes. You know what I'm saying? For sure, 100%. Because you get all these, like I said, all these businessmen buying these companies,

bro. Like, hey, all they want is the R-O-I. Come on, Debo, yes. Best me, baby. If people know that. Yeah, other than that, like, it ain't, it ain't nothing else happening and going on around here. I guess Seller, though, he just got him another chance. It looks like over there in Tennessee, he was it, they just finalizing the deal right now in Tennessee for Sala.

Where do you are? You like that? Sulla in Tennessee. Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. I think he's a good defensive coordinator. I mean, I don't, I wouldn't, I'm more, I'm more, their offense hasn't really been doing nothing. So, I mean, if he's a good defensive coordinator, he can bring the defense in.

I'm just more with the Tennessee Titans. How are they going to get Cam Ward right? I want the offensive coordinator coming in, and I just need somebody that's going to have my number one pick in the right vibes. I just need, I don't know. I love him as a coach. I think he's a good defense in mind. But if I'm the Tennessee Titans, I have my number. number one pick, the coach that I'm bringing in, I kind of want him to be more offensive-minded

and be on the vibe of Cam Ward. Hopefully, he brings in a good offensive coordinator that he's rocking with and they can really build with Cam and do that. Because I think Cam Ward is nice. I just don't think that he's been in a position with a good offensive coordinator to be successful. Yeah. I'm, I guess I'm like 50-50.

And, you know, I'm not kind of leaning like one word or the other. I'm hoping to hear he does have successful. but, you know, like you said, he is a, he's a good defensive coordinator. He's defensive-minded. Another thing for me, he was a head coach, even though it didn't go as well. You know, if you could have, you can still use that experience, hopefully, and, you know, maybe learn from it and figure out what it is that you did wrong there and be able to do it right in the other game, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that right there is a thing that I'm four on.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like you said, he did a good job with a banged up defense in San Francisco, brother. You can't, the injury's going to happen. You're a team linebacker. He still did it. Come on, he still did it for show. Yeah.

But, you know, the thing that I'm kind of against, but like you said, the old coordinator. But here's something else, too, though. What's up? look at Tennessee, this actually kind of helps him because I believe Tennessee is what, possibly having like a hundred million dollars in cap space. So he can go out right now and pick up the groceries that he need to help that office to help his young quarterback. And I'm with you.

Like, we got to see, you know, what happens when you get the job and who it is that you, you hire as an offensive coordinator. your offensive staff, you know, to help develop the offense, the young quarterback, you got a young dude over there. And, you know, all along with that, you know, I'm skeptical, just a little skeptical, brother. You know, you had a 20 and 36 record over there. You know what?

You know what I really want to start knowing Odebo? It would help a lot if we knew when these coaches come over, how much control they have. Do you know what I'm? I'm saying? So like it would be able to see if he has control on picking his offensive coordinator because then that would mean we know it's on the coach and not the GM. We know it's the GM's call.

So if things don't quite pan out, there's literally, you know what I'm saying? There's, you know who to point the finger to because it's able to people are able to hide behind. Oh, no, that's not my pick. I didn't bring them. I want you to succeed. So knowing the coach, like coach, if he comes in there with, I think with Harbaal, knowing his contract, what he's asking for,

I think those things being lined out. I know if Harbaugh's going in there, Harbaugh's running stuff. He's picking exactly what he wants. So he's the chef. He's doing everything. He's going to, he's the shopper. He's getting all the ingredients. So when things don't pan out, you're looking dead at Harbaal.

Like, okay, boom, now we know who was making the decisions, who was pulling the strengths. Now with Tennessee coach him going in there, are you being able to pick your offensive coordinator? Are you being the one like, no, I'm going to be the one to do it knowing you're a defensive-minded coach. Are you not bringing in the best person? just because, like you said, there's not enough, you know, you just don't want nobody to take no shine. There should be no shine, no nothing.

You should get the best person that's going to help out your team, you know what I'm saying, for you guys to win. So I want to kind of knowing that part of like, what's the head coach really doing? Does he have any say so? Because I believe the head coach always has say in his staff. I believe the head coach always has 100% say in his staff. Okay. When you get there, you have 100% stay in your staff. So that right there is not in question.

The only thing that would be in question is how much say do you have over the drafting of players you and your GM are not even close in the comparison of what you believe you have in this athlete versus what your scouting department is saying, what you're saying, and then what the GM is saying. So if I'm a head coach and I'm talking about, hey, This guy, you know, I want to get him in the first round. But I got everybody else over here talking about, man, listen, he, he bottom of the second, he early third and most. Now, my GM saying, hey, he bottom of the second, early third and most. And I'll have the power to say, I'm taking him in the first anyway.

Okay, yeah, yeah. That's when it becomes an issue. Okay, perfect. Coaches that. First, bottom of the first, you know, that can be, that can be negotiated. But when you're talking totally different rounds, you know, you're talking first round, third round, first round, you know, into the second round. Like, that's something else to, you know, that something else totally different.

But you say, who gets that, who gets that trick on? I like this, you like this. And I think, that's me. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Yeah, that's the call. Okay. But very few, very few are going to stand up and say that's me because, you know,

what is it? Eight times out of ten, it don't work out. And the one time it do work out, you ain't going to say nothing because you got to talk about the times it didn't work out. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Uh-huh. Yeah. So I'm 50-50.

I'm hoping he's able to go over there and do something better than, especially on the offensive side than what he did in New York. I think they ended up starting off at his first year. I think there was like a 24. And, you know, I think the highest was his 24. And that was his first year. And his lowest, there was 31st. So they didn't even rank out of the, you know, 24 in those four seasons that he was there as head coach when he was in New York. So I'm hoping to see that his offensive staff has credentials that can, you know, at least on paper, look like they can go out there and get it done.

Yeah, for sure. I will hope so because now you get another, you get another shot at a head coaching job. You had your defense was solid, offense was sketch. So that's why they got you up out of there. So hopefully you get another one now. Come in there guns of blazing, ready for the offense. You know you're bringing defense. So coming there with a good old offense of mine,

somebody that really can put points on the board, scheme some stuff up, like some Kyle Shanahan, a young Kyle. Well, you got to look at it when. Who was the, Vrable was just there, right? Yeah. That was, what was it? 24, he was there. player 24. Their defense was a two. This year, their defense was like 21st, 22nd. It couldn't

have been too many players that left out of that, that major defense dropped that bad. So it got to be, you know, something as far as scheme. And then they did hire an offensive-minded coach. They hired the OC. That was the old OC for Kansas City. So, you know, that, you know, I'm sorry, not Kansas City, Cincinnati. So that could be, that could be something that, you know, might have added to it. And with that, I think, well, who else is it? We got, Harbaugh, got the Giants. There's still six openings, dog. Yeah.

Still six of them, dude. They got to get to it. Yo. Question. What was up? With the bills getting rid of, you know, oh, God, do you think, do you think, do you think Hardball or, or your boy, Stefansky over there kicking

itself right now? I think Harbaugh is probably chilling. I think Harbaugh is good. I think Harbaugh is good. I think Schaferansky's probably kicking itself. Yeah. I'm a, yeah. I'm a, I'm a girl.

I think Harbaugh's chilling. Harbaugh is over there in New York, Johns. He got a lot of money. He got Dart. He got Skadaboo. He got my man, neighbors. They didn't have neighbors at all. They keep forgetting he's a dog.

All these dudes on young rookie contracts and he got a lot of money and he can really come over there and do whatever he wants. So Harbaugh, I think Harbaugh would chill, but I would say definitely the Atlanta coach Safansky. I think he might have got to be able to maybe if he would have been able to get the bill's job, definitely. Because Savansky in Atlanta is throwing me all the way off. I think he would have loved that he would have been more with Josh Allen and just got along

with him, you know, better than I think he gets along with the Atlanta. in the vibes out there. Yeah, Harbaugh, I'm what you do. Harbaugh. My man just signed him a five-year. What's that? He was 20 a year, 100 million. Come on, man.

Come on, bro. Because, listen, bro, the first thing that goes, that anybody that goes to interview for this head coaching job needs to realize is, you're getting fired if you do not win a Super Bowl, okay? That's what I'm saying. Listen, listen, I'm trying to tell you, listen, bro, I'm trying to tell you, bro. Yeah, Steve.

Listen, they also are very likely to have the least amount of patience, okay? Yes. The least amount of patience, brother. They're coach. When you get in there, you be the, hey, man, what's the expected time frame for the Super Bowl? Ten minutes. Because I believe whoever get that job, they're going to be lucky, bro. Lucky if they get four years or more on that kind.

It's probably going to be like three with a tail. Brother. Yes, yes. Yes. Like, you fired Sean McDermott, brother, after he had, how many seasons was that, bro?

He had nine seasons. Nine seasons. My dude had nine seasons since 2017. Okay? They said he had a 66% winning rate, okay? Yeah. And he was eight and eight in the playoffs. Yes.

So I had to go look. So I'm like, Maybe it's a what have you done for me lately thing. Like, you know, you ain't did nothing for me for the last four or five years. You ain't won a playoff game. You ain't went to a playoff game. Whatever it may be. Yeah.

Nope. That's not the case. 2020, there was two and one in the playoffs, okay? And that was the one they lost to, was it, um, Casey? Was that, what's the name of them? What are the homes? It don't matter. They made it to the championship game and lost, okay?

Now, 21 through 23, they won a playoff game in each year. Okay. 24, again, AFC championship, but lost. And this year, they went one and one and could have won easily if the call hadn't went however it went. You know what I'm saying? And then you let, you fire him immediately. It wasn't even a whole weekend. I mean, you ain't get my man

till Monday or Tuesday. You ain't, bye. Like, as soon as he, like, they gave him, what, two, three days? Not even two, three days, bro. They get my boy about 12, 16, they probably had this stuff packed when he came back to the,

as soon as he landed at the airport, then he had this shit sitting there like here. Don't even go to the office. We got everything right here, man. We got all your stuff. Not all you. Now, listen, your boy, Stefansky, he probably tripping.

He probably kicking his selfie. Oh, he would have loved that job. What? You stepping in already made. Your groceries is already sitting there, okay? All you got to do is not mess it up. Mm-hmm. And he's going to-

Don't get rid of nobody. You got everything there. Keep everybody there. If you want to bring a couple of your guys, everybody got their guy, but do not get rid of the OC, the DC, don't, you could, no, you could, do something else already made, he could have been like, yeah, went there this next year and won

the Super Bowl and been looking at you like, yeah, I told you I was one of the best coach ever. Brother. I just came here year one and won a Super Bowl. My man, Kevin Stefansky would have been so geek. Did you see how much love he was supporting with Dylan Gabriel or making sure he was fine, all making sure he was good? He would have been Josh Allen's best friend making sure everything. was set up perfectly for that man.

And I think they would have definitely, he would have, he would have succeeded for sure. Because I think if he's a good coach and he would have had everything in his power to support that man, Josh Allen, and made sure that he was going to wheel his way to victory. Bring him all the players he could get everything. So yeah, I think Kevin Safeski's a little pissed.

Oh, I'm 150% pissed, bro. Like, what is he talking about? Like again, though, like, maybe he was like, yo, I got to take this. I don't know who else will get me the job. You know what I'm saying? But he got to go get that. He got to go take that job, though.

He got to go take that, for sure. But if the bill job was open, he would have went there first. For sure, brother. Still is, man. What's up? We got a- We got a- No, we got Pat.

Pat, he said he was a disappointing in the lack of opportunities he had this season. He said, I would say I was disappointed with the lack of opportunities I was given. but at the end of the day, I'm a team player and I was proud of myself for not making it about myself. Yes. What do you think about that, John?

I think he said what he said, man. And he waited until the end of the season because they probably asked them, how would you feel about your usage? And he probably was not happy with his usage because I think they used John O'Smith and then we had Washington, then we had Hayward in there also.

And I mean, I've received, We signed him to a contract where he's making 12 men a year, so we should be using him. And every time he was in the game, he was bawling. He was never not balling. So that's what I can kind of see what he's saying. We brought in Smith. Washington is bawling also. He's nice, and we still got him under a rookie contract.

I think he could have been used better. I think that everything that he's saying is correct. I think he was a team player. I think he knows John Loo Smith is also a good player. Darnel Washington is also a really good player. So he sees that they did have a rookie, and we did bring in a free agent that we're paying some pretty good money too. So we need to give them opportunities. But him knowing his game, knowing his skill set, knowing what he thinks he brings to the table also, I can see why he feels that way.

So that's, I think, why he said it. Yeah, I'm with you. I just don't know what the big deal is that he said it. Everybody can see it. Just because I said it out loud, it's a big deal now. Y'all, that's the question. Right. Listen, they signed a man in what September,

a 24 to a four-year, 48. Yes, 12 a year. Yes. And it was a 11-6 guaranteed on that. Now, here's where I see where he's like, yo, I'm being underused. What's going on? Woo-woo-woo.

So going into 26, I believe, which is next year. from here on, he has been paid his whole guarantee. Oh, yeah, yeah. Bro, distillers, once they do it was done. Yeah, when 26 hits, that March, what is it, March 12, 13, 14th timeframe, if they let him go before then, I'm pretty sure there's some significant savings on the cap.

Oh, yeah. He was only targeted 54 times this year. Uh-huh. Last year, it was 78. It was high as 98 in 2020. And now after this guarantee looked like it's paid up, and like you said, you got some younger players in there. You're trying to see what you could do to work them in there and get from it.

But you know what you could get from him. I don't understand why he's not out there giving you what he has been giving you the last three, four years. I'm with you. Like, if you got him under contract and you're paying, paying him, I would expect you to use him. Like, you still have the younger dudes under contract, but when you have a player that you already paid his guarantee up, he has another year or two left. Well, you got to realize, like, with the, you know, with the contract set up, you get back

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Yeah. Now you go and you look at other people's contracts like that, and, you know, hell, they already let Queen go. the Steelers are doing what they, what teams do. If you're not winning, you have younger players that are in the same position with contract with on rookie deals that are performing. And because the Steelers do a job of they normally pay. The guarantee is up in the first year. So they're able to do that in that signing bonus.

So where you get paid off. So now they're able to chop you after that. You know what I'm saying? So like Alex Highsmith, his guaranteed is up. The only one, T.J. Watt, he still got two more years that I guarantee because that's 108. So his is the one with the big one. But everybody else does has contracts, they normally knock out their first guarantee and

that signing bonus. So then they have the leverage to chop you whenever they want. There's more normal deals where it's like 10, like they're getting an average salary, a good salary. They think you're not made in the highest pay player, but you're not being a lowest player so they can cut you whenever they want because they already gave you that guaranteed in your sign of motors at the beginning. So I'm with you a thousand percent.

Financial-wise, it would make sense. You know what I'm saying? When you have, darn it in Washington. Plan for a million dollars a year. Right. When you look, he's going to give you the same thing. Cam Hayward, a little young Hayward. And then you still have Janu,

where you had the option to release Janu because you gave him the guarantee for the money last season. So he's seven to the cap. So you got seven with him and you got 12 with him. And you got seven? Yeah, brother. Yeah, brother. I did not know that, bro.

So that's where it's like that could be, that's two players that are making that money where you have two young dudes where it's going to be fire move for 12. We got, uh, bro, John knew at seven. It was seven. It's seven, brother. Like, this year was seven. Don't, I think I could show you last, last year might have been nine and this year probably seven. Bro, that ain't no way, bro.

That's, that's over 20 on two tight. It's no way. Debo, I'm not, I can go back to you and show you. I love contracts. I love, love, love, love. looking at the numbers. That's just, it makes, that's what I always do. I love it.

You know what I'm saying? So I know about making sure to guarantee with the stillers of, like, yes, Jono Smith, but they don't have to pay him. His guaranteed is up. So they can pay him probably, I think it's $7 or $9 million this, $7 million this season, or before March they can release them and not have to pay him nothing. Yeah, brother. So I'm really, we didn't even got to coach yet to make a decision on that.

But that's what I'm saying, but that's why I'm going. It's going to be a lot of furniture moving, man, whenever you get that car. When you have those vets, though, like, that are still making a little bit of money, when you have the younger dudes like Nick Herbick, we got Highsmith still. I think the Steelers are looking to make sure what's going on. Like, if there's any type of, because T.J. is not going to where. Then we have Alice Highsmith. He's making $15 million this year, probably $14 million next year.

And then we have Herbick that's on the rookie deal. then we have Sawyer that's on this rookie deal. We got to figure out what we're doing with Herbic. Because he's going to get like, he's going into the last year of his contract. So are we going to be paying T.J. Watt, Alex Highsmith, and you got to pay Herbic. So they come looking at the situations like, how was that looking like? So, you know. I ain't going to lie to you, bro.

I think they go, I think they go shred up a lot of that defense, man. There was a lot of money over there and we did not get the results that we wanted and we need to get something on offense. So whenever the coach come in, you know, I think he goes shred it up and start trying to pick him some groceries on that offensive side that could try and at least, you know, help him right now to a certain point. But whoever the coach is, whoever the coach is, man, y'all get ready. We about to be in the basement.

About to be in the basement for a year or two. It's not three. I would say, what type of coach will get, how fast you could turn it around, so, you know, so on. It depends on, it depends on the picks. It depends on the picks. And it depends on if they're able to perform at a high level. Do you know what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, you got to. If you get the quarterback, I mean, this is dependent. Right now, like if you're going to. Well, you also have the got to be taught. We've seen a lot of things going on on the defensive side that. Oh, yeah, for sure. And it's repeatedly done the same way over and over by multiple people that was just not talked.

That got to get scrapped. It got to start from the bottom up. Come in with a legitimate scheme, everything. Yes. speaking the same language. Everybody, our whole scheme is going to be different. It's not going to be the same old like little fire zones that they were running. No, no, no, no.

When the coach comes in, they're going to have their system and every coach is going to be speaking the same language as the other coach. Linebackers talking to corners, talking to safeties, talking to D-line. You know what I'm saying? Like just having that basis, like you said, if you don't start from everybody speaking this, this is the way it goes. This is how we run it. There are certain bases to our defense.

This is what it looks like. You know what I'm saying? You have to have that where everybody, no matter who you talk to, no, this is what we're doing, it's how, and this is why. And there's no gray. There's no, no, no, no, no. Everybody's fully 100% bought in to the system, to the scheme. Everybody believes it, and that's just what they do.

Like Seattle, like Pittsburgh, when you was there with Dick, that's what they need, like, legit. Like, no, everybody knows. This is what we're standing on. This is what it is. Yeah. It's simple, dude. It's simple. And like you said, the coaching. You got to get, you got to get guys that when they come in there just offer their credentials, what they know of that person, what they've seen of that person, their name, like, it's automatic like, oh, yeah, I'm buying it. I'm buying it right now. I'm buying it right now. I'm learning what he's teaching me right now. Like, I know what I know, but right now, this is how we're doing it here. You know what I'm saying?

Like all that. No, no, this is what we used to? I would never want to hear, no, this is how, and what are we talking about? I don't care about how you used to do it. I don't care about none of that. What you about to do is how we do it here and that's going to get the job done. You know what I'm saying? Like, on the film, is your outside arm free or is it not?

Right. You can't, we can't shoulder bump on blocks. You can't come down here and do this, dude. You can't do that in the NFL. They are just going to grab you and hold on to you and there will be no call. Because it is 100% allowed. You got to come down there, bang them, punch them off and shed and rip.

You can't do it any other way. Especially if that's what you have to do at your position. We got to be guys that can play the position that is needed. Like I was saying about 95, like, dude, I'm wrong. He's actually a good player. They just got him out of position. He ain't no nose. That boy, ain't no knows.

He can play a rush in, though. He ain't no nose. Get busy. Go check him out. Go check him out. I ain't going to lie. Go check out. I just the old pass tape of all that, bro.

Go check my. A little watch, bro. Yeah. I was, I was surprised. Like I said, if it wasn't for HAMP saying it to me, I never even took a, took a shot at looking at it. I'd have been like, yeah, to get him up out of here. He'd have been gone.

You know what I'm saying? Yep. But. A hamph, though. Yeah. Hey, ham, ham, yeah. Ham, yeah. Like I said, if hampe your D-Line coach, which is you listening.

bro. All ears. All ears, bro. Speaking of tight ends, bro, I guess Eric Ebron, he said, My dog, Ebronious. He said, Omar Khan. He said, questions if the players

respect him. Oh, man. Yeah, he said, every since Omar took over, what, what have, what have Omar draft picks done? we was there with Omar I sound stupid reading this he's saying they was there with Omar and basically ain't nobody respecting

and he said just call a spade a spade call it what it is what you think of this Joe what year to Omar start doing the draft was it like 2023 because I know he people were I think it was 20 no sorry

it was 22 22 Okay. Because I'm looking, his 23 draft class, it was Broject Jones, Joey Porter Jr., yes, Bennett, Washington, and Herbic. I mean, that right there is a nice draft class, in my opinion. That one right there is nice. The next one, Troy, Zach, P. Dub, Roman Wilson.

not bad. And then last year, we had Derek Harmon and Jack Sawyer. Then we had Will Howard. So, I mean, 2020-3 draft class, I think that draft class was kind of good. What do you feel about Omar? Oh, I like Omar. I have a good relationship with Omar. Omar's been there since, like, 2001, dude.

You know, he's went from the bottom to the top where he's at now. Again, I say the same thing I've been saying. How much control Omar has over that draft process? I know at the end of the day, Mike is 100% in control of who comes in there. He can veto. He can veto top the bottom. I know that. That's factual.

So, you know. He was being able to be, he could veto it the whole time. He could veto the whole thing, bro. like from at least from I believe from like about that 13 to 15 time frame dude he could he could he could he could he could veto man he was giving that power like I mean he can hear even Ben say like Mike has a lot of power in that building he had a lot of power in that building and that was you know that was the truth so how much of this I can't accredit to Omar even though like you said hey it was a good draft class here and there I don't I can't I can't say that what I can't say is I know Omar got time under Bill Cowher Omar got time under Mike Tomlin, Omar got time under the old GM, Kevin Colbert. Kevin Cobra, yep, you know, all the way up until, you know, Kevin ended up leaving in 2022, you know, I know he spent a tremendous, I talked to him in person, I know he spent a tremendous amount of time learning and talking to Kevin, you know what I'm saying?

I've had multiple conversations, interactions with, um, with Omar talking about football and his goal of wanting to becoming a GM in the NFL. And, you know, the years and the time that he took the steps that he took, you know, learning, trying to accomplish that goal, you know, just spending time and being in draft meetings going through that whole process since 2001, you know. And I think in 21, it was actually reported that he had a job offer or it was like very close to actually being done with Houston before they hired, what was the dude name, Nick Corsi, Corso, what was his name, from Houston?

before before D'Amico Nick Casario. Yeah, Casario from Houston. Like, dude. But I also know he wanted to be

the next GM for the Pittsburgh Stillers. When the time came that Kevin Colbert would step down and he got that chance in 22. Probably, I don't know,

I'm just speculating in 21 when he had the opportunity. Maybe it was told that you know what he was going to be stepping down you would have the opportunity here you go and you look just july of last year they just signed him to a three-year contract extension making him there through the end of the 2028 season so the stillers obviously have confidence in him and his abilities and what he can do so i don't know you know i don't know what old dude is talking about right here with you know guys not not having you know respect for him and all that

other stuff. You know, he went, he's been through the whole process. So, I mean, it may have been a situation where, you know, he was in control of making the money work. So guys, originally when I first got there, there's like, oh, that's the money guy, you know, and as I got to know him, it's not just the money guy. He's the guy that makes sure, like, the coach wanted to do this or do that. How do you make that work? We either got to do this, do this, because he got to keep control of the cap, make sure we're under the cap, that we're going to go over the cap, how much cap, all that other stuff. So that may be a situation where he might have got, you know, feeling a certain way about a, you know, situation, how he left or whatever.

1,000 percent. I know Ebron personally, and I know we basically left at the same time. And you know how it is. When you start seeing these people and they act like you have regular conversations and you want to ask them questions and they're, they keep it, they're nice to you. but at the end of the day, when it comes to the business side, they will still chop you and not really like send you an offer. Like you feel like anything, like offer me something. And maybe it's just not even, they just won't offer you. Like it's a business is business to the point where sometimes is that,

that thing gets a little bit like, dang, I just holl of that, bro. I've been hooping, you think you're going to get offered something. I'm just saying me personally because I know Ebron and I know how that joint a rock and then it just won't be nothing. So that's business that you really got to realize and that's a part of where you could really be like, I talk to them. We sit down and eat breakfast before we go into the things.

It can make you feel like somebody like doesn't owe you, but like, tell me, you know what it is, like, or just blatantly be like, no, instead of how. Well, you got to understand. A lot of people in those positions don't tell it, you know, how it blatantly is. And they try and sugarcoat around it. Just flat out, if you don't talk to, you know, Coach B and I'm Coach A and I say,

damn, Joe, we really want to keep you. But, you know, we can't do it, man. The cap is this. Yeah, yeah. We can't do it because, you know, Coach B don't really, he ain't really feeling you. And he was the deciding, you know, vote. That ain't necessarily true. And when you start, you know, having real relationships,

with all these people and it's more than just football, now you end up finding out things that you didn't know what I'm saying? So I think that could be a situation of one of those things. So I don't know, I don't know. But when it come down to it, man, the salary cap guy, he only liked by guys the day they signed after that. Can I tell you? When I came from Cleveland, me and Omar, we had a great relationship.

And when I had my re-up, we had another great relationship. relationship. No question. No question. And they don't realize that he, without, without you going out there and playing to the standard that they wanted, then you got that re-up. He's not in control that. He's just in control of trying to make it work so that they can get you and keep what they need in stack. That's it. You want to make it fit, make it work. Yeah. You got to make it fit and make it work. That's all that, that's all it to come down to, man. Look here, man. I think, We got a super chat here, man. What we got, Debo? It ain't much, though. We say it's the, the underscore, big underscore. What's that? Rieke donated $5.

Appreciate you. What's that, Reek? Ebo and Joe. Are there any DECs in the league now that can come close to Dick LaBoe style? Hell no. Dang. Straight like that. 100, no.

Can't nobody. You don't understand, man. Can't nobody do what LeBow did. That fire zone defense is LeBow's. Do you understand, like, that is his. It is literally in his head. There is no hard copy of Dick LeBow's whole defense in existence sitting on a paper that he has put down on and said,

here is the fire zone that I know about. I talk directly to him. I said, Coach LeBaud, because I wanted to get some knowledge of it. I'm thinking, you know what? I might just go ahead and get into some of this high school stuff. Let me see what I could do. I was thinking about it. It was foolish.

You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, coach, do you have like your defense? Like on, like, can you send me your defense? Coach said, he said, you know, I can't send it to you. He said, I could tell you all about it. Oh, well, he ain't giving the king giving up the thing. I said, what you mean, coach? He said, I ain't got it wrote down.

He said, he said, it's in my head. He said, I can tell you everything about it. I know it from right to left. I said, so if I want to come, ba, blah, blah, blah, blah, throw the defense off his head. Nothing in his hand is here, bro. He's a science. This man got, listen,

Coach the Bowl damned a 90 year old, bro. And he can tell you what happened in training camp on whatever day it was. And verbatim just spit it out there, dude. Because he's a mad scientist. 62 interceptions, brough. 62. That man, 62.

That's crazy. That's crazy And he ain't getting into the hall until they saw that he was the coldest defensive coordinator around. Stop playing. That's crazy. 60 pitch. Stop playing.

Stop playing. Boys are just trying to get the 30. Out of here, man. We got this last super chat, man. What we got, man. Let's see what it says. It says Creek Knock 6-2-80.

We're looking at this on his phone. 6-2. 68. I'm tripping. Let me pull it up. 6288. It says, I'm a Falcon fan. Can you two help me understand why in the world we will hire Stephansky? This, we know, knowing we basically have a quarterback issue and hire a coach

with the worst track record, those with those same problems. with the, hey, go explain it. They are saying what I was saying, and I was hoping and thinking that Matt Ryan says he was with a saw when they've been able to read the room. Oh, my, this elephant in the room, Dion played for the Falcons.

It's just, it just doesn't really fit. I think they have a nice, they have another, I don't know. I don't know why they did it. I hope that he comes in there and really tries to, he knows if he comes in it, he must have told them, during the hiring process, oh, I believe in pedics.

I think I could do damage with him. He would be like, he must have gave a good sale because other than that, I don't see it. I saw the way he supported Dylan Gabriel in a great way, had his back, you know what I'm saying, wanted him to do well. But I hope that he gives him some good vibes. He did a good job with Baker when they went to the playoffs. But I'm confused by the hire, if you were to ask. me. Yeah, I ain't got no answer. I'm going to go with Joe. I'm just, I would have been

probably a little happier if he had went to like Baltimore, you know, other than that, I really ain't got no answer for you, you know what I'm saying? Look here, man. We're a little old. You know, we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. please make sure you like and subscribe and download the show. Joe? Please. Please make sure you like and subscribe, and we will see you on Friday. Hey, we'll go be back talking about them championship games.

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