Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - James Harrison REACTS to Chargers HUGE D, Baker CLUTCH + Brady in coaching booth?!

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Munday Night Football which saw Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defeat CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans and Justin Herbert and the Los Angeles Chargers dominate Geno Smith and the Las Vegas Raiders Timeline:00:00 - Bucs beat Texans13:50 - Chargers beat Raiders31:50 - Chiefs support Rashee Rice36:44 - J.J. McCarthy injury46:50 - Refs no-call on Eagles' Tush Push53:38 - Defensive player of the Week54:30 - Ocho calls out Deebo AGAIN!   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome back to another episode of Debo and Joe. I am your host, James Debo Harrison, and I am here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Make sure you like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing that we're talking about, baby. How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing good, Debo.

How about you, man? You know, I'm doing real good, man. can't complain. I can't complain. We had us two real good games last night. Well, one real good game, I would say. Yeah, one real good game, I'm saying. Them thing's late, too. Oh, super late.

Super late. They're doubling up. They're making sure. They're making sure they get all the time they need. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, the bucks went on ahead and beat off the Texans, dude, by one point, dude, 20 to nine. Watching this game, bro, like the first quarter.

I'm looking at this thing, dude. And you got Houston. They just run down there and go ahead and get a quick tug, man. First drive. First drive, dude. Two nice little play. I think Chubbs had a 25, 30-yard short pass that he took off on. And then Collins, you know, 29-yard.

It was good to see Chubb out there, man. You know, getting back healthy, making those plays, catching passes out the back field. And then that touchdown passed that C.J. Stroud threw early to Nico Collas when he tapped his feet, was able to stay in bounds. That was super impressive. So I thought it was going to be a high-scoring game when it first started. Yeah. And then you got Tampa.

They come back in there. You know, Becker do his thing. He worked his way kind of down the field. But they also added that run game, dude. Like, the run game really, really helped out a lot, especially when they got to the whole outcome of it. I think they dominated time of possession by like 12, 15 minutes, something. something wild dude so they run yeah they run down and go ahead and get seven i believe it was one point though where a dude got had the ball in his hands he dropped it um what was the uh dude's

name i can't think of his name right now for Tampa he would have had a uh yeah he would yeah yeah i think i think he would have a pick but he dropped it oh yeah lavante david okay yeah yeah and then that that gave an opportunity they put seven on the board and then houston come back out they driving down the field again dude but you know they stall out because of the penalty and they still get three. So, you know, I'm like, I'm sitting here. I'm wondering, is this going to be one of them games where, like, you know, the defense is not there, Tampa goes down again, hits another tutty.

So I'm really trying, I'm really, I'm kind of starting to lose, like, interest in it, you know what I'm saying? Because it's just, it's just back and forth, man. I hate watching football when the defense is just straight out, not. stopping not not they're underperforming like crazy like it's it it just upsets me like I don't like high scoring games I like to see your back no for sure I think that's the good thing about this one too like we said Devo at the beginning of the game they spazzed they started off both just driving the ball down score score Tampa squad I think on their first two possessions

and it was like 14 to 10 in the first quarter and then we got no more scoring really until the end of the game about like the fourth quarter you know when that stuff started getting tight. Oh, you had, you had, I believe it was the end of the, yeah, that was it.

You're right. They didn't start scoring again until after, after, after they came out in the second half. Baker was like, well shit, Baker and CJ was like a hundred 20-something rating,

you know, in the first half. In the beginning of the game? Yeah, dude. Like, I think Baker was like 18 to 13. He had, CJ was maybe, 13 to 8, 13 to 10, something like that.

It was out of control. And then they come back, third quarter, and it's, it looked like it's going to be happening again, but they're going, they miss a field goal. And from there, they just back and forth punts. And I'm like, yeah, this is my kind of game right now. A thousand percent. And I'm 13, yeah, 13, 14.

13, 14 type, good defenses. Because, you know, once the game starts, you got to get your feet wet. Once they popped off and scored on the first two. drives them dudes started had had to settle down because i'm looking at the end of the day too for me the Tampa bay defense though they ended up locking down they ended up making plays when they needed to remember when uh the texans they had a fourth and one you know what I'm saying went for on the goal line that's changing the game that's points that's a seven point swing

they didn't got they got nothing there and then their special team stepped up they got that pump block from the block they was trying to get points there they didn't get they I think they might have got a field goal, but no touchdown. But just when their defense was in. They came out and stopped them. Right. They saved them. They went on head, kept it close.

Yep. I just was like that they was able to go, being able to bring their defense out there. So Tampa, Tampa kind of played an overall pretty good game. Like running, running was good. You know what I'm saying? Baker was doing this thing. And the defense was making stops when they needed to. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, you had, you know, when Tampa punted the ball, Houston, you know, they come through and they return the thing like 53 yards. And all of a sudden, Nick Chubbs breaks one loose for 25 and the next, you know, the next play, I think they gave between me, scored, you know, from the one. And now, you know, it's three minutes left, something like that. And you don't gave Baker the ball. And what he do last week is the same thing that he did this week. And the fourth and ten, dude.

Right. How do you not have anybody paying attention to him on a fourth and ten? But James, he had a, they had the empty, they had the, of the D.B. Yeah, do miss. Do miss. I think D.B.'s coming there so excited and they forget that they got a, they got to break down. Yes. He shook him, he shook him loose.

That kept the driving live. That was the play of the game, Dibbeau. Oh, no question. Because the third and ten before he threw it, Baker scrambled out and threw it, nice ball to my man number two and he kind of it dropped it you know what i'm saying so now it's fourth and ten with a minute and something left in the game if you don't get this it's a rap and he was able to somehow escape out of that pocket and scramble for 15 and they went 80 yards bro 80 yards and 11 plays on the on the last in the last three minutes for the for the go ahead

yeah like that was that was it two seconds left something like that one it was all saying walked it down they had this is the situation you want your quarterback in they had the ball it was two minutes and four seconds left at the 20 yard line they had three timeouts oh yeah you got to get in first drop they drop it they dump it off to irvin right before the two minute warning give it to him he gets 12 yards so now they're going in with a minute and 56 left three timeouts and then first down nothing really second down nothing really third down he drops that over route that could have been a big play number two and then fourth and 10 the game all the marbles breaker scrambles gets up out of there for a 15 yard run for first down like that that could have been you know what I'm saying the whole game it gets down to the point where everything happens through the game office does good defense does good we just wavy game when you got two minutes and four seconds left on the game on the clock can you drive the goal can you drive it now and get us to win basically what it was and I just like the fact of

game's going to be going waves and flows but at the end of the day you got the ball in hands with two minutes and four seconds what you're going to do. do. All three timeouts, everything. You can't ask for nothing better than that right here. It's a beautiful situation to be in. But there's people that can lose it. And then like the end of the day when you come out and make the plays, he ran, you know what I'm saying? Getting the ball to Urban. And it's not just, you don't you don't may say Baker, go when it's the game. Get it to the guys that are going to help us when the game. Get it to Urban. You know what I'm saying? Let him get open. Let him make some plays. Get it to Mike Evans. Get it to the Shepherd. You know what I'm saying?

Like you don't have to spread the ball around. Right. Spread it around. give everybody a little touch, you know what I'm saying? So I think that that was just... That way it makes the defense, you know, they can't just key in on Evans all the time. You know, you got to make sure you got everybody covered. And, you know, when he can do that, and like I said, the ability for him to go out there

and make that first down, I think it went for 15 yards, on a fourth and 10. Like, that's out of control. That's amazing. Now you got Houston, what is they owe and two now? I think so. Like, what's the... what is it that Houston needs to do

to come out on top in these sort of situation? What do you think they need to do? Man, so Houston, like you said, at the beginning of the game, they started off hot, you know? I think Nick Chubb went some just being able to catch the ball out of the backfield,

Nico Collins making those great catches, you know what I'm saying, for the touchdown. I just think it's a little more consistency. I think sometimes CJ Strout, I love CJ Strout. is not a C.J. Stroud bashing, but sometimes, like, a couple third downs are just aaron throw, you know what I'm saying? Just pull those. Just not throwing it to the ground, where we need to be able to convert these first downs and be able to extend drives. Like, it's no thing you can particularly put your hand on, but I think. I think for me, I think they need to,

well, of course, they've got to convert their third downs that are put, that'll keep your offense on the field. That keeps your defense off the field, so they're not on the field as long being worded out. And then secondly, they have to be more consistent, you know, with the run game. I think they only had maybe 70 something, 80 something yards, whatever it was, and 25 of that came on just one of one carry.

So I think they need to be more consistent in the past, sorry, in the running game and getting it more involved, that way they can open up more opportunities I think for the past. I think that's, that makes a whole lot of sense. They weren't like, like you said,

Nick Chubb had 12 carries for 43 yards and one. Forty-five of them by him on one carry. Yeah. One carry. So that's 11 for like 25 yards. That's not going to really make anything shape. No.

Yeah. So we got to just get definitely get, definitely get more consistent in the run game. But I like, I like Straub. I just think that sometimes, too, but just getting, just being able to make,

went on third downs a little more often, being able to extend those drives and that's being able to keep your defense off the field. Because their defense, end of the day, they gave up 20 points. You know, that last drive wasn't the best, but I love Stingley.

He was out there going man and man with Mike Evans. it was a battle out there. Mike had like five for 54 yards. Nothing crazy. That's not going to, nothing to go ride home about. But end of the day, they still were able to get the win.

So I don't, I think that's Houston, Texas still special teams is doing great. The pump return, the pump block. You know what I'm saying? Their team is doing good, but just being able to get that run game right,

being able to score more than 19. You know what I'm saying? Just being able to get that. So then I'm not down on them, but I just think that they can do a little bit better with extending some of those drives and winning on third downs. Yeah, I was surprised that Tampa was able to actually slow down their pass rushers.

You know, they got a couple good pass rushers over there. And then they had offensive linemen that were hurting out. And then they had another guy that got hurt. And I believe they were actually down to the last offensive line. They had, you know, active. So, you know, for them to go out there and actually do that and come away with the win, you know, I was, yeah, I was, I was impressed for sure. For sure. Yeah, I think they're going to be, I think they're going to be solid.

The bucks look good. The bucks are like an all-around pretty good team to me. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I would definitely, yeah, because they, though, you got the run going, you got the past. Yeah. When you got both of those going, they're converting on third downs at 50%, I think it is right now. And now you're dominating time of possession because you're making sure that you're keeping, you know, you stand ahead of the chance. You're giving yourself, you know, manageable, you know, second, third downs.

Irving and White's tote team. They looked like a two-head. it mom so they could give it to seven or one. I was looking at it like, man, these dudes are really, really toting the ball and, you know what I'm saying? They were doing a great job. And Baker, too, is not. Ever since he's been in Tampa, we want to knock

the people that want to knock Baker. He's a consistent quarterback. You know what I'm saying? He's throwing crazy touchdown passes. He's not turning the ball over. And you know what I'm saying? He's just doing what he's supposed to do, leading the team, making plays when he needs to. So I'm proud of Baker and just knowing that he doesn't have to do everything. Understand

that he got to do his part make sure you get use your legs when you got to check it down you got to get it to get it to Bucky Bucky go do

what you got to do so just drunk that thing off the Bucky if you got to so just understanding that, understanding the players he got around

though I think that's helping them Oh yeah no question we go we're going to sip over here to the Chargers

man the Chargers just Maliwap Maliwap the Raiders dude the Raiders defense though

they ain't bad they ain't bad at all I mean, they play well, actually, but the Chargers defense, too, they just dominated it, dude. 15 past defense, dude, six tackles for lost three takeaways and didn't give up not one touchdown. That's, you know, that's hard to beat. That's, I think. No, that's elite defense, bro.

Like you said, that's going to be hard to beat if that happens. Yeah, they said no team has ever hit any of these marks in the game since both past defense and tackles for a, loss were first tracked in 1999. That's wild. Yeah. The charges, man, they have a great, great defense. They have OG players, too. They got Khalil Mack.

You know what I'm saying? Calil got hurt in the first quarter, though. They didn't even have him for the three quarters of the game, and they still, you know, they still did. That man had a big issue, man. Gino got, you know, he got to be more, you know, he got to be more cautious and, and protective of the ball. I mean, a couple of situations.

One situation really, you know, he couldn't, that was just a good play, but you got to, you got to be more, more conscious of, you know, where you put in the ball, especially when, you know, you're in a situation where you can, you can get an easy three. The big, you know, turnover right there in the red zone, that, that really hurt him. That was an opportunity to actually pull the game within, I forgot what it was, but that right there, you're going in. And it's a, you know, it's a pick that that kind of, you know, slows everything down. Same thing. You're throwing, you're throwing three interceptions. You're putting your, you know, you're putting your defense out there on the field. That's what's about, Debo.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And when you do that, you know, it's not a, it's not conducive to actually being able to consistently, you know, hold a team down. You know, you give them three more opportunities than you would have. it doesn't fare well for you most of the time. How many games do you think somebody that's turned the ball over three times

and actually won it? Yeah, it's not high. It's not high at all. I mean, the turn over the ball is... You ever had a three turnover game that you could remember where y'all turned it over three times and you still won?

No. Definitely. I'm trying to think right now, man. And, yeah, I can't. I can't remember that. No. You don't normally win those games, man. And especially first play of the game,

you don't, first play of the game, popped off pick. You know what I'm saying? That's not going to be. That's not Caduceal winning. And then my man, you know,

he's like, just protecting the ball too. Their defense was playing well. They gave up 20 points with three, with three picks. And then just, just being smart with the football too.

Like we said throwing the picks and then on fourth down, you threw the ball away. Like, give somebody a chance. right it's fourth down dude put it in play what it can happen is that it's going to be a pick further down the field better than them getting the ball right here you just handed it to him right here so just little things like that you know was doing it sometimes like that that's not conducive winning you got to just be a little bit smarter on the field with that yeah i'm uh i don't i don't know how uh good the raiders offenses i'm gonna tell you this though i'm surprised they They shut the rookie running back down, though. I thought he would at least, you know, get something. I think he only got like maybe 40, 50 yards, something like that on, was it 12, 13, 14 carry, something like that.

So, you know, they did a good job. The Chargers did a good job of, you know, being stouting the run. And like I said, when you're starting to run, you get opportunities to pin your ears back. And you got them behind a chain so you know when it's going to be more of a passing down. passing situation. I think Gino passed the ball like 40-something times or so. Yeah, I think, yeah, a lot. It things like 24 for 47, something like that, bro.

Yeah, almost 50. Hey, brother, at one point, my man, Gino Smith was zero for zero with zero yards, zero touchdowns, and three picks what passes over 10 yards of airtime. Stop playing. I promise you, brother. That's not going to cut it. You know what I'm saying? It's not a Gino bashing, but just like,

when you, when you do stuff like that, it's going to be very, very, who is they, who, who is they, they got a, they got a qualified, um, backup over there or somebody that could, could step in or, or, I don't know. Do you think it's time for, for a change, uh, or is it just too early? Uh, I think, I mean, I think it's a little too early. Do you know how to good season last year with the Seahawks? I mean, it might not. I think too action gentee, but the line, we need to start, he needs to premiere.

We need to start. You got one of the closest running backs coming out of college last year, and you're not handing, you're not making things. I'm going to hand him the ball at least 20 times again. 12 carries? No, just. He's getting at least 20 carries. You got to get him starting to get warmed up.

You know what I'm saying? Like that's the fact you got to let him, he's going to start warming up throughout the game. If you get him touch here, touch there, then he's chilling. You got to get those running backs kind of warm. So I think just gentie, working on him, trying to get him more involved, is going to take a lot of pressure off some people. Oh, yeah, I think it'll take a lot of pressure out of junior. Like you said, you got 47 passes.

If we're out there effectively running the ball, too. So you got to have some help from your office line, of course. Yeah. But you need to effectively be able to run the ball. You didn't draft him over there just to hand the ball to him 12 times a week, I hope. No. Like, that's not bad. 43 times a game.

Yeah, that, Gino, I like Gino, but he ain't going to be that quarterback that's going to sit out there and pump the ball out. you know, 40, 50 times a game and think that that's going to be something that's going to be conducive to you guys winning. I don't see that being being an issue, you know. And speaking of the Raiders, dude, they show Tom Brady

in the booth wearing headsets on Monday Night Football, like in the actual... Yeah, man. Yeah, the player, the, the coaching booth. Like, what is that? So, what do you think of that? What are they? call it conflicts of...

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app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Interest, Divo, that's what I'm getting a little, and I'm thinking, I'm just hoping that Tom Brady doesn't want to get involved in any shenanigans. And I know that I hope that he's not, and I'm not saying that he is. But when you're meeting with coaches,

when you're meeting with coaches and players pre-game to understand to get the ends and get the outs and get the, just the stuff that they want to tell you, you know what I'm saying, before the game, like right before the game, because this is more, you know, you don't feel like you're speaking to the media. There is nothing really that can get out.

They're going to be the ones watching the game. So you're kind of giving them what they're going to see happening door to the game, like what you guys have been going through the week. So you don't give them normal media information. And you know what I'm saying? Right. I'm just saying if you're an owner of a team and you're calling a game and you're getting that information and you talk to your coaches and you're saying that, oh, no, we talk all the time.

You know, Tom's going to be this. If I were owning a team and I have this information, I would be giving it to my coaches and other people and trying to go and that sounds, that's cahoots. I'm not saying he's doing that but opening up the avenue for it to be a way of people talking about it. You're sitting in the press spot with the other coaches

and you're running with another team. You can be talking about we're human. What you're going and be like this, no, I'm not going to say nothing. You could be like this. I know that they running this. They're doing that. This information you know what I'm saying, but not I'm just saying that I just don't it looks a little fried and for people

to be able to even bring this up and say these things and like it just doesn't seem it's not smooth to me so i'm not saying it's doing it bad but i'm just saying it doesn't it's ways that it cannot look for sure yeah but it's actual rules in place dude for this certain this certain situation in 22 i believe it was when he initially signed with uh fox that was you know that was a like that was a that was a monumentous contract dude it was a 10 year 375 like that's that's like unheard of like you know what I'm saying and then 23 you know Al davis announces that Tom Brady is going to be you know a minority part of or part of the group like so from there on like you got you got rules in place where you're not supposed to have like broadcasters that are owners of the team to get through that process like you had owners like uh i think it's the chief's owner clark hunt he he's like yeah you know it was a lot of hurdles we had to go through to do it

but uh you know we we made it possible why are y'all fighting so hard to then the rule that y'all put in place for the integrity of the game to make sure that you know it's not a possibility of something like this going on and then you go and you seem like sitting in the booth with the headphones on him. He done did he done did production meetings he done sat there at the practice

and watched these dudes practice he done did all of that and you're thinking that it's I mean I don't think he would but on the outside looking then I'm the other team why would I even

chance it like or being right why would would I even chance it. Yes. Me and you are on the same, of course, with this one. Because I think when you said, too, like they made some rules and stuff about it. It's like this, Tom Brady, if you're going to be the owner of the team or minority owner of a team and really work with a team, then you can't be a commentator of the game.

Okay, right. So now what happens when the next person tries to do it, is it just going to be approved now? you just set precedent that you can do it we just got to make sure you go through these hurdles to make sure that you know you're not doing anything like that like so the next time a broadcast somebody that's broadcasting and and wants to be a minority owner is that going to be okay or is this just something that you know you decided to fight hard for time for I mean I think I think it's yeah like you know it got to be it's a little bit of both But why? Why would you fight so hard? Like you just said, you, y'all made rules for this.

Yeah. The owner of the chiefs, Clark Hunt, he said, hey, they, they, they, they, we had to go through hurdles to make this happen, you know, why are you fighting so hard? They like Tom Brady. They want him to be a part of their little, they, they little boys group of the owners and dudes and like, I think that might be a reason. Because if it was somebody else, it could easily be the other way. Like, you, like you said, why, why are they been to hurdles? I'm just putting out the question maybe because they just want him to be in their group you know what i'm saying okay so so so the next so the next time that somebody does it then and it doesn't get approved how is that if it doesn't get approved how is that going to make this situation look it's going to make it

like the optics are going to look crazy no for sure i'm i'm with you on that too dbo i don't think it looks good for i don't think he needs to be doing both it's either that you're going to have to do one or the other because even if you're not doing the conflict of interest, if you're trying to keep your integrity right, you're going in there, you're meeting with these people and you're not giving the information, us being able to question if you're giving the information because you shouldn't be in the room with these people is just the whole problem. You know what you're doing this, and the next person comes and say you deny them. Well, you just set a precedence right here where you approved it. So now are they going to sue you?

Is the NFL going to get sued because they didn't allow whoever it may be? Like, I think they put themselves in a real compromising situation that could really turn around to bite them. Plus, you're questioning now, I'm questioning now, like, yo, you're sitting in the booth, like, with the headphones on with the coach. Like, what's going on? Like, are you giving us some inside scoop where, you know, you got, you got guys that sit down with the production team and say something they shouldn't say, yeah, we got a trick play ready for you, you know what I'm so. No, for sure. You know, or you getting injury reports and all that, you know, so-and-so is dealing with this or dealing with that, you know.

Like, you may have somebody, how many times you didn't say something that was going wrong because you didn't want to be on the injury report because you didn't want them coming after whatever it may be that was wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like, so you get things like that and it may be something small, you know, you tweaked your ankle on a Thursday before, you know, the Sunday game. You know, you just iced it kept it moving, didn't say nothing. But, you know, somebody going there and they just want to get, you know,

they're just giving information, just talking, and they blurted out there. So maybe he has some information that, you know, that they didn't even, you know, know, know, but you're sitting in here, you're asking the question. And you get to ask the question. Oh, yeah, for sure. You get to ask exactly what you want to ask. Yeah. And, dude.

Yeah, Debo, we on the same. I don't know, man. It's weird. You're sitting over there in Vegas. What is that? The gambler capital of the world? Oh, for sure. Like, it's making people be real weary and skittish because you just did something that you set in place to not be able to do.

And now you've done it. I would say, though. Because you wanted to keep it from being any questions on the integrity of the game. You just put it in. You just put it in question. Did. Yeah, he did, because now he's in that booth, you know what I'm saying, asking those questions before he's doing those pre-interviews and then going into the booths with the

Raiders coaches. So that just opens up a whole can of worms. And like you said, too, we're not saying that he's doing anything wrong. No. We're just saying the optics, looking at it. You know what I'm saying, knowing what interviews you are in, and then now you're in the booth with the coaches. That just looks like you can be able to easily transfer information.

You know what I'm saying? Like, we're not, it's talking crazy, but we're not, you know what I'm saying? It just doesn't look too good. Yeah. So, uh, hold, let me say this too, though, Debo, when you were saying about, like, if somebody else were to come and try to, like, get into being an owner or something, they don't let them, you know how the NFL is. They, I don't know how they would try to sue him.

They said there's a lot of loops and stuff to get in for Tom Brady. They're fighting to help him get in. Right. Why? Why are you fighting? They fought to help him get in. Are you going to fight to help the next month to get in? No, no.

Because they're not Tom Brady, and they didn't make $375 million. They don't have seven Super Bowls. Like, these dudes are just keeping trying to be cool, maybe with Tom. Like, oh, yeah, gentlemen. So you're saying money, revenue, share, all that. You're saying what? Saying that's what the benefit is. The NFL is somehow getting some type of money, you know, in the, or, or,

able to receive more because he's involved with both as an owner and as a reason like the same way like Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson are probably the only like present players that are involved in ownership in the NBA do you know what I'm saying and then we have nobody's been in present ownership I don't think in NFL not that I know of that's played so now we got Tom Brady I understand but the big issue was not him being a minority owner the big issue was he is also subject to or he gets information that

you wouldn't normally get as just a straight out owner like broadcasting in the booth like you said you get to sit there and come in and ask these guys questions you they watch you practice dude you know yeah yeah no you're right he is doing dang

because I'm right like you said Jordan is not he wasn't doing no no production stuff with the thing so he's actually really interviewing people yeah that that is a that is a conflict of interest. Yeah, so, I mean, every week, you know? Yes.

I don't know, man. I don't know. Yeah, they don't have to figure something out with that. But like you said, too, they did the making the rules for him of, like, not being able to go to certain practices, that's crazy. And I heard that they were way more strict on him last year than this year. Like, it's kind of more he's being able to kind of move a little bit more. So, I mean, yeah, you're right.

They got to get on that. They can't let it do certain things because the conflict, bro, like, you're right. He's interviewing the players that he's going to be coaching against, basically. Yes. Yes. The guys you're going to play against, you're going to get to basically. Get to interview them, man, ask them whatever you want to ask them. Ask him whatever you want to ask them.

You know, it's Tom Brady. They probably go say something. They probably go say something they shouldn't say. Man, you're going to be like, I'm talking to Tom. Okay, I'm going to answer them. It is just as regular, just as normal as I possibly can. Right. Like you said, and it's reckless because he is, you know, yeah.

But anyway, man, the Kansas City Chief Players, man, wore a free for T-shirt Sunday in support of the suspended receiver. Rashah, Rashid, what do you, what do you think of them wearing a t-shirts in support of? Do you know what he's suspended for? I think he suspended for, it was a high speed. He got in the car car. Yeah, yeah, he got in high speed. I guess Kelsey, Thornton, Juju, and Brown all wore the t-shirts.

I guess Rice is serving a six-game suspension for his role in a March 2024, high-speed car crash. He was sentenced in July to five years of probation, 30 days in jail, after pleading guilty to two third-degree felonings. what is your take on them uh are you in supporting them wearing a shirt do you think maybe they shouldn't uh what is your what is your take on that i think they could have went without wearing the shirts um i understand you know how when people always want to um support their teammate and show that they're there for them and uh just try to you know what i got your back no matter what but some situations man it's just he got a six-gain suspension he sentenced to five years probation and he spent 30 days in jail for

third degree, two third degree felony charges. That's not anything to really play with, you know what I'm saying? So in the day, his stuff happened, he dealt with it, he went to court, he handled all of his stuff, but now he's dealing with his suspension. The free him

and all that stuff, that's more for, like, innocence. When somebody hasn't done something, you feel like they're being wrongly accused, you know what I'm saying? And I love juju traps and all them guys, but on my side, I'm like, they always want to try to support the teammates, but for me, he's He's done something wrong.

He's been criminally charged. He's dealing with his time. If you didn't wear the shirts, we're going to let that thing fly. Your message are you sending out? But six weeks come. Then six weeks come back to the team and everything's going to be good. And then we just go about business. But it's just, I feel like I would, I just, I know where they're coming from trying to always, man, I'm supporting my teammate no matter what.

You know he's going through something. We got. So when you look, when you, well, when I look at this, it goes back to the. the receiver from the Raiders, I believe, Henry. Yes. Only thing happened different here is it wasn't a life loss. And that was a blessing that it was not a life loss, but you had four people that were injured.

Some people, two of them, I guess, were injured worse than the others. And this is something that he did to herself. Like, oh, you're young, yes, it's true. Like, believe me, I've probably seen. Sped plenty of times, all the other stuff, and nothing happened. But if something had happened, yes, I'm going to be sorry. I'm going to be all that other stuff. But what I need to do is sit down and be like, yo, this is a situation where things could go bad.

It could go, it could go ugly. Like, you got enough money, man. Go rent a track. You want to see how fast your car go. Just go rent the track for a couple hours. Ain't nothing but a few hundred bucks. You know what I'm saying? It's just things like that.

And we're in a position where, yeah, you know, a normal person may not have got whatever it is that he got and then suspended from his job and all that. But we're not in a normal job. Like what we do reflects on us, our family, the NFL, and everybody else that you're involved with. So I think it's, you know, it's a bad look, especially when you're, you know, you're looking at what actually happened, you know, It's videotape of them leaving the scene. You know, you got people that are in their cars, hurt, injured, and you take off. So I think it's a bad look for the players to wear, you know, free force shirts. Like, you know, he didn't have any involvement in why he is now currently serving only a six-gain suspension when you look at it.

Like, that could have been a way worse suspension than what it was. Oh, for sure. It could have been, it could have been way longer. And the situation, you know, it could have been way worse. You know, you're, you're just a hair from, you know, actually being a second sooner or later where things go, you know, sideways and someone, you know, loses their life. So the whole situation of free, it's like you said, it's for somebody that, you know, is in a situation not of their own doing. Yep. I think we feel the same way about that.

Just they're trying to help out. the teammate, but at the same time, you got to really look at the whole situation and the totality of what he did. So I think it's just a little bit more than more than that. Oh, yeah, no question. Vikings quarterback JJ McCart. They expected to miss three weeks with ankle sprain. Could be out multiple weeks. Wow. Winston Wentz is on the verge of becoming the sixth quarterback in NFL history to start for six different teams and six consecutive seasons. He up next, dude. He is, man.

He up next. He up next. And Carson West. Do you think they'll be better with Carson that quarterback than they were with, with JJ? I got to, man, we got to see what Carson West going to do. I mean, he hasn't played in a while. And, you know, he's, like you said, he's going to be playing for the six team. I mean, I think he was drafted first to second while back.

I think that he's been a legitimate backup quarterback for a while. I don't know how he's going to do this. I don't know how he's going to do this year, though. I think with our, what's my man name? Josh McCown there as a QB coach, I think he should be able to help him out a little bit. But I think this might be his last stop. Just because he's a first round pick,

he has the ability, the physical ability, the physical talent. But I just don't know. I don't know what it's going to look like, Debo. What do you think? I don't think it's going to be much worse or better. I don't know how I want to say that. I just really wasn't too impressed with what I saw the first game from JJ. And then now he's, you know, now he's hurt.

I think the thing with Wince is consistently being able to stack games on games is why he's been going around everywhere and basically is there as a, you know, fill in, you know, if something happens, I don't think they were looking at him possibly having to start multiple weeks, you know, something that if, you know, he got hurt for, you know, or not even injured, but like just hurt had to come out, maybe a game, you know, here and there. But I think they were hoping that JJ had all the injury stuff behind him, especially after, you know, missing all of last year. And now he's going to miss another at least couple weeks. It could be more. I feel kind of bad for him, actually. He really hasn't got the time to even get in there. To get comfortable with it, to get to get used to it, to get a better understanding. Like, you could watch all the film you want to, but it's nothing like being out there actually going through the plays, getting in the mental reps that you actually see the guys moving around, getting a feel for it.

And I think that's what we really saw that first game when he came back is just not having that live. Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything as a failure. especially because we all grow every day. Obviously, the goal is a championship. There's no doubt in that, and that's the goal. We want to win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast, in case you missed it with Christina Williams.

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I'm rooting for Carson. Oh, I'm ruling for anybody, but I don't, I don't think he's, if he go, if he go 500, I guess that's good. That's definitely good. That's definitely good. If he goes two for two, if he, yes, yes, that is a win for sure. Just being able to sturdy the shit, man, you can go into a, being able to walk out of a stadium with a win, if you can come out of that, I think 500, bro, I'll be super happy for once. And he says it's going to be out for at least three weeks.

So let's just say, let's say it's four. He goes two and two, great work. Great work. Yeah. Yeah. We losing quarterbacks this year, though, for sure. Man, left and right. Yeah, you got, you got party.

I think he got a toe He said Jaden Daniels got a little knee Yep Burrow got a toe Burrow he got a mean toe Burrow

Dish's toe Phil Justin Fields got bop he got a concussion And JJ You know He got the ankle

Mm-hmm Yeah It's football out there man It's a hundred percent Chance of injury Debo I know you know

You're going to get hurt It's not if but when And then how long it's take to get back Like, you know what I'm saying? It's a brutal. It's a real live sport out there. We're running around full speed running in the...

Hey, you know what I don't like. I don't like that. I just, why are you saying about that injuries that hurt stuff? I hate that they don't allow the D.Bs to run up and cut the linemen when they're coming out there to block them. But you allow the linemen to cut and you allow the running backs to cut everybody on the edge of the line when they're coming down. how is this even the same? How is this? You want to me.

It's not fair. That's them trying to make sure they can get some points on the board. Why? I'm not going to let you come in as 180 pound DB and cut this lineman because he's, dude, he's 300 plus pounds and you're not going to let these DBs come in and cut them, but you're letting them do the same thing to them on the same play and cut them. That make, listen, it's, it's an obsessive. It's an offensive league, Debo.

They want, they want points. Like, not, like the fans, everything, they want to see people scoring. And for us, being out there, literally, it makes it so much harder. Do you understand what you're saying, Debo, you, I can't believe that you feel for me. Because when they said I couldn't take out their legs, I was ready. It makes no sense. He's throwing me out of the road. If that's the case, I'm running, Mike, I'm going straight to you.

You can't. cut him. If you can't cut him, you're not going to stop him. It's called what it's, it's just physics. Physics, yes. 300 pounds. Six something, six five. Coming at me full. Three hundred something pounds.

Coming up there to 510, 511. 511, 185. One, one, 175, because he lying. 185. I know he's 10 pounds lighter than that. Yeah. And now you're expecting him to face this up and not cut what yeah you're putting him in danger of getting put to sleep you're putting him in danger of a concussion they don't care about that you're putting him in no question the same way

when the running backs come through you know how we become on defense when you lead with your head those running backs will lead with your head and run you smack no they actually lead with their head they put the clown all the way down but if you go and put your right dale here and you're seeing what you're hit they'll call it on you but you let them come through the whole just notched up crowns, just plopping right here. See? I don't, I don't, I don't think it should be, if you're running the ball, if you caught the ball and you, you got a chance to get like two, three steps, you're aware of your surroundings

now. If you get bop, you get bop. Like, it shouldn't be. It's not a, I got hit too hard file. Right. Now, that's what it doesn't. It's not a helmet to helmet. It's a, oh, you got hit too hard.

I heard the crash. Let's see if he get up. Did he get up? Nope. Like, get him up out of there. That's Roger Goodell would say that's $375 million. Launching.

You know what I'm saying? Launching. I'm going to say this too. You got to be able to launch if you don't put you, not like launching like a mystery. Right. But if you launch with that show. You got to be able to rise up.

You got to be able to rise. Like that's got to be able to rise up. If you can't rise up, you're not. They call that launching. I call that hitting. Hit. and rise, hitting raise. Like, what are you talking about?

You lower down, you crouch up, you come up, and you hit. Now, listen, you know what they're trying to teach these kids in high school, man? Hey, tackle them here. You know how you put your head across? Yeah. Don't put your head across. Put your head behind them so they can bust through your whole shoulder. No.

They got you throwing the arm out of putting your head behind them? Behind them. Behind them. Safety. It's some type of goofy heads-up thing that's saying, yeah, well, your head won't get hurt, but you won't play for the rest of the year because you go get everything tore out your shoulder, your leg room, and everything else. Out the bone.

Oh, yeah. And think about it, like, especially high school, like, you got some of these kids that are just so far different in skill and size. And you're telling him he got to go and tackle this dude this way? Nah, that ain't. That ain't. have, man. Oh, and high school, they ain't allowed to jump over a player. I thought that was only in flag football.

No, bro. They're not allowed to jump over. So if a dude is coming in and flying at your knee and you jump over him, that's a, they call it leaping or something. Dude, you're not allowed to jump over people. So what they tried to do is stop dudes from jumping somebody standing straight up. But now it's like, you want me to just bend down and lay. even hit me. Like, you're not allowed to jump what a dude is crazy. They're getting wild.

That doesn't make any sense. No, they, they, I'm trying to tell you, Joe, Joe, it's getting, it's getting, I only heard that in flag football. My son couldn't hurt him. And I was like, okay, that, I don't know why, but that, okay, but not in tackling football. You can't jump over somebody? Yo, also, Philly do. So the next, sorry, the Eagles coach, Nick Suriani, he filled the questions about the uncalled false start Sunday with the win over the Chiefs, okay. I think this is what they're doing. This is just me.

I think the center is snapping the ball off of their movement. Because that's what it looked like. It looked like every time they did it, he was just the hair behind. So I think he's looking for their heads to clear and then he snaps it, which gives them an advantage in this whole, you know, quarterback sneak tush push thing. Mm-hmm. Like, what do you think? They were off-size twice for sure.

No question about it. Neither one of them get called. That ought to be a reviewable play. When you tush, it ought to be a reviewable play to see if your guys jumped early. Because they did it both times that I saw. I think you're right, man. I think you're right. I think that time in it perfectly.

Soon as somebody moves, I think soon as the alignment moves to his left or right, he's snapping the ball because they're getting the best jump I've ever seen. I don't think it's nobody else saying anything. I think the center might just be snapping off the first movement he sees from his guys. Yeah, I think. Or it's like, you know, they're doing a call and he's giving it like a want, you know, to let them get a little jump instead of a whole one, one, a whole second, give them like a half little second.

But that's big when you're talking a game of inches. And they only do in the touch when they need. a little bit. Do you, are you a fan of the touch push? I am a fan of it because it's part of the game. Like, if we can sit there

and boil you over for, you know, yards on a fourth and whatever, then, you know, that's what we go do. That's what we go do. That's why you get guys that are strong and all the other stuff. I don't personally have a problem with it, but you have to have.

to be able to, like, they were blatantly off-sized one time. So you said, slightly off. So the rough time, they just said, if they do, if they do go for a false start, we got to just throw the flag on it. We can't just be letting them just do the play regardless. Like, is that even a reviewable play? Can you reveal that? Like, could it, could, could they have red flag challenged that?

I don't think so. I don't think so. No, because he didn't call it. Like, you have to, you have to call it. the flag. You know what? The competition committee in the all season need to go over this. If you go allow the tush push, you need to be able to review every one of them to make sure ain't nobody off-sides.

Like some of them do is be already like in the neutral zone. The center got the ball tucked up under him so far. Like the guys on the- They already off-sides. Yeah, they can't you can't, you have to still line up like a legal play. You still have to line up legally. You know what I'm saying? Everybody behind the ball. Everything's good. Boom, boom. Because if not that, we instantly need to throw the flag. I understand y'all.

Right. Even when you, when you're long snapping, you know what I'm saying? Yes. The ball is here. Dude, he got this whole thing lined up here and half his helmet already across the ball. He's off sides. Yes. Yes. So we just need to make sure they align right. Like that just the proper alignment can't be. you can't get away with line up off sides. That's just foul. Yeah, you got to be, yeah, you got to be penalized for that. Like, it's, especially, you know, it scored a touchdown.

You know, you take off that, that, you know, that half-second jump and you make it an even field. Maybe that doesn't happen. Because they're only doing that on third and ones or like fourth and ones. They only doing the way they need a little bit of yards, a touchdown or a first down to seal games. So they're not doing it in just random plays. It's a big, big, big momentum swing. It's a big play in the game when they ever they do the touch push. Yeah, I mean, they want to slow down every time somebody get hit

to see if their helmet touch the quarter piece of their helmet. Oh, yeah, that's the helmet. The helmet, the helmet. Slow this shit down, too, and go ahead and let you see these boys jump. That's your whole team lined up off sides. Yeah, got the ball tucked underneath them. Yeah, we put our helmet in the neutral zone. Y'all popping the flag.

It's a free play. when, you know, we're sitting up there looking like a mule chewing glue if they go on ahead and actually get something good on us because it was nothing that bad could happen to them on that place. For sure. Like, they got to get right. Man. Listen, Tom Brady is returning to the field

for flag football tournament, Saudi Arabia. Would you? Flag football. Olympic flag football? Would you want to retire to play Olympic flag football, bro? No. The sad part is, I mean, I just know that I'm not, I wouldn't be the best representation of the United States of America.

I would want. Not right now. Not right now. I would want either Stingley, Pat Sertan, Denzel Ward. I like them man to man way more than I like me, Man to Rand right now. So I'm not, I wouldn't retire. I would watch for show. I think definitely like Denzel Ward, Pastor Tan, Stingley,

throw them out there and they strap everybody. I think it's easy for him. You know, all he got to do is throw the ball. Tom, that's what Tom do. He throw the rock. I think Tom will be spinning that joint. For sure, he can't get hit. Can't get hit.

All the time in the world. Man, Tom. Well, not all the time. I don't know how to work. I think they have a rush. Maybe it's like three or four seconds. You got to launch it or they call to play dead. They got a rusher and only going to do is running.

up to you and pull your flag off so he's not going to hit you no i think i don't know i think they may just give him a time limit and then you uh you got to be get rid of the ball right in if you don't then it's uh you know the play is dead okay okay okay that makes sense well yeah time to be straight he'd be able to what yes he breathed defenses for sure joe who was the defensive player of the week? This week? I have no. I don't know.

You don't know? No. Who was it? I'm asking you, who was your defensive player of the week? Who was my defensive player of the week? Oh, I'm going to go ahead and go with, I'm going with Tony Jefferson. I'm going to go with Tony Jefferson. He had a pick and he had a breakup in the end zone.

and then I'm also go with Dale Pitt Tony Jefferson for the job pick one all right with Tony player not player Tony Jefferson

for the charges man step out to the OG Tony Jefferson he went from practice squad then got raised up had a pass break up in the end zone and then had a pick

in the fourth he was balling I'm going with you on the same one and then I'm going to get honorable mention to Juno Smith I love that's proud

oh man listen man your boy Ocho back at it again man he's talking crazy man he down there Bud Crawford and Dana White last week you know let's take a listen to what your boy was saying man he out here

You remember you was talking stuff to that that big dude I forgot his name the football player James yeah Debo I'm a dude I'm going to keep your ass. Devo is going to grab your little ass up.

Hey, hey, bud, make sure you want to attendants. Bud, make sure you there for that. Bud, though. Dibon was going to grab you like shit and grab me. All right. I'm sorry. I'm just saying, D. Bo was going to grab you like Shannon, grab me.

Hey. I got this. Just make sure you there when I whip them, just make sure you there. And then Andre next. Dan, you have to do me this one favor. Please. I want to fight James Harrison in the octagon, five rounds, five minutes. James Harrison, the NFL player?

Yeah. He talks about trash. I need you to set it up. I need you to back me. Tell turkey. The dude's a monster. He's a what? He's a monster.

Did you see the story of David and Goliath? I have. Okay. Well, that's what exactly going to look like. Is that a real story? Or is that a myth? It might be a myth. I think that's a myth.

How old's he? How old is James? You think? Should be probably about 10, 11 years younger. Probably about 46, 45, 46? I'm 47. I'm only 47. Oh, okay.

I was going to say, Jesus crazy. Now you're right to the fight. That's still too old, but it's better than 57. Okay, so just say yes, please. Just say yes. I can't say yes. I'll tell you this. We'll talk about it.

Oh, my God, Chad. I'm for the beat his ass. We'll talk about it. Over the beat. You see it. O-M-G, D-Bow. He's serious. He's talking to Dana White about it.

And at first I thought y'all was going to box. He wants you to allow you to use your feet, too? I don't know, man. I don't know. Listen. Listen, man. What do you think? What do you think of it?

Listen. You know, you want to know some crazy man. My mom was like, Oh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't do nothing to that boy. You see how small he is. Don't, don't hurt that. But listen, Chad, you're asking for this ass woof me, man. Like, you better hope Dana don't do that.

You better hope Dana don't do that. Like, because if he do that, you ain't give me no choice, man. You didn't give me no choice. Trying to tell you. Everybody trying to tell you. My name ain't Goli is Dibo. I'm going to tell you this, Dibo. Chad texted me

He texted me He texted me He said I'm gonna beat That Debo ass though He think it's sweet Bray It is sweet

It is sweet Like it's go like See I'm be trying I'm fighting with like I got the little red one over here I got the one over here With the halo

and, you know, they talking to each other. And like, like, no, you know, he just talking, you know. He just, you get in there, don't, you just, don't hurt him too bad. And he, over here, like, bust his motherfucking ass. Give him everything he's looking for, you know. Yeah. Dana, Dana, listen, Dana, go ahead, go ahead and set that thing up for him. Give him what he want, you know what he wants.

You know what he won't. I ain't go, I ain't go hurt him to. Oh, goodness, but I'm going to have to at least choke him out. I know he got a bad eye, right eye bad, so I'm going to try not to hit him in that one. He can't see how of it too well. But I'm going to damage the other one, so he can't see either one of them. I'm going to be in attendance. Listen, Chad, I wish you the best.

I'm going to pray for you. I'm going to do everything that. a good person supposed to do except for not whip your ass you got to Debo

you know I'm gonna whip your ass he didn't talk he didn't talk too much trash now Debo

he up there talking you try come on you know you really don't want to get

that set up man Joe we got some we got some we got some super chat yes

yes Jay twice he donated and said hey Debo and Joe we will be entering

will you be entering theaters we going into theaters we're going into theaters I'm here for it, Debo. I'm here for it.

I mean, we could... We could. We could. And what you mean? We got to get our own movie going. Where does it go be called? Is that... You already know. Dibo and...

What is it about? Are we robbing anybody? No, it's going to be more like... Like, like, more Robin Big style. Robbing Big style? Yeah. I don't know if I like that. I don't like that for me.

If you're calling me big, I don't like that for me. No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, we're just going to be doing cool stuff. Okay, okay. Listen, it ain't going to be, it ain't going to be a movie, but we go get our own whole drama series. That's what we're going to do. Okay.

Yeah, that's it right there, man. We're going to keep working on it. But no, we ain't going to be in that. It's going to be in no theater at his deep-up. Unless y'all looking for a live audience, you know, in the theater on the stage and we do the show from that, that might be something that will pop. That would be nice. That'd be real nice. Yo, that's going to be the next thing.

That's what we got. We're going to start trying to see if we can't get something like that set up for y'all. Listen, we want to thank y'all guys for joining us for this episode of Debo and Joe. make sure you hit the like button and subscribe will be right back here Friday to give you more

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