Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Monday Night Football REACTION! Vikings SHOCKING comeback vs. Bears

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Monday Night Football which saw 2nd-year QB JJ McCarthy lead a stunning comeback vs. Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. Later, they react to Shedeur Sanders being top 5 in jersey sales despite being inactive, New York Giants coach Brian Daboll sticking with Russell Wilson, and much more! Timeline:  00:00 - Deebo's parenting story 18:22 - Vikings beat Bears 29:02 - John Harbaugh's blown leads 33:00 - Fan who his Lamar Jackson banned 35:26 - Injury stories 49:08 - Should Russell Wilson be benched? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison. And here's my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Man, listen, I'm feeling a whole lot better right now. Last week was a little hectic, but I want to let you know, Joe.

I got a hard out at 12. I got to get my son to the hyperbaric chamber to heal him up, bro. Okay, respect, respect. Yeah. My son today, September 9th is my oldest boy. Joseph Ali Hayden, the fourth's ninth birthday. He turns nine years old today. Let's go.

Come on, man. Happy birthday. My boy, happy birthday, big, Joey, thank you. Shout out. Yeah, I was hectic last week, baby. I had two surgeries last week, bro. You had a lot going on. Yes, sir.

My youngest son had a surgery. sorry my oldest son had a surgery on Wednesday and then my oldest son he had a surgery on Friday like it's like it was crazy yeah so my my son James he did like a slap tear in his meniscus how was this going? How did the surgery go? How is he doing? Oh it went good it went good and then my oldest most sorry my youngest son he did uh he blew

out his um his labor minutes in his shoulder dude it's It's crazy, dude. It's, you know what? Let me rewind this. So my oldest has had three surgeries in 14 months, dude. God. Like, it's not complications of the other surgeries? No, dude.

You know what? This is our show. To hell with it. I'm going somewhere else with this. So let's start back at the beginning. So my son, the oldest, he's playing ball. his freshman year everything's going good he gets into his sophomore year and you know i like to take my kids with me out to a z to train so i take him with me out there we come back his sophomore

year he as soon as he gets back he does like a high ankle spring okay so he sprained his ankle he doesn't take the time to heal it and he goes back out there and he plays on it so the second game of the season he goes out there and he actually like tears two of the ligaments in his ankle and he blows his SC joint his sternal convictal joint right where is that dude it's right here it's right here so we actually got lucky with that process because it went uh it went anterior instead of posterior i believe because if it had went the other way then, you know, you have a chance of it, like, hitting, like, his

carotid artery, um, fucking juggler vein, all that stuff, right? Getting bad. Right. It's getting bad, right? I don't know that that is what has happened, you know,

so he's not starting as a sophomore. So he's playing Saturday, and, you know, I see him, I'm like, dude, you can't move. Like, you need to go, you know, I need to take you to get in, I'm all right, right? And he's like,

I know, no, no, I'll be all right. You know, I don't want to get an MRI. I don't want to mispractice. I don't, you know, I don't want the coaches, you know, saying nothing. I'm like, okay, all right. I'll let you make that decision. So as the season goes on, we don't know, like I said, about the SC. And I have my chiropractor come in.

My chiropractor comes in every so often. And he's like, hey, James, hey, man, you need to, you need to look at this. This SC is just circling. It's popping in and out. So look at it. he played after that we don't know he did it he thought he had a stinger he's like i got you know i got a stinger whatever he said i tweaked my ankle i'm like you ain't yeah i'm like you ain't tweak your ankle i'm like you can't move i'm seeing him saturday i'm like dude you can't

move like you you you looking bad i told him i said you looking like shit son you know and i'm like well i'm gonna let you tough through it you you you make the decision you know so after he does that my my chiropractor looks at it he tells him you know you need to get it looked at i'm like okay, we're going to get an MRI, and while we're there, we're going to get MRI on your ankle, too, right? So we get the MRI, come to find out. He has a couple touring ligaments in his ankle, and his SC is blown. We got all that fixed. Right.

He's going to need surgery, right? Well, what we don't know at that time is, like, how serious, like, it could have been. So he's trying to figure out how he can't get surgery. so we have to go to a thoracic surgeon so a specialist like that's all he you know he really does he really does so we we talked to him and you know james really wants to continue to play and he's like dude you cannot continue to play football if you do not get this fix because it could it could literally kill you you know what i'm saying so you know life you know that now i think it's right before the playoffs so we're going we're going into the

playoffs to tell the coach hey i'm pulling he can't you know he can't play he can't finish the season you know it's a game or two before the playoffs they go into the playoffs they get to the championship game they end up losing their their runners up so by this time we don't figure out that james has to get this surgery you know what i'm saying this is no other choice yeah and it's a nine month time frame so he doesn't missed half sophomore year he's gonna miss the whole he missed yeah he missed all of his junior year. Okay. And, and now, you know, we know he has to get the thoracic surgery in July, and he's going to get the ankle surgery in September. So we fast forward. He doesn't

lost so much weight, do he's 155 pounds by the time. How much did he start off when the first started? Not 190. 190, okay. So he doesn't lost like 40 pounds, you know, of weight. And by time he's able to get back into it you know we build we build everything back up we get we get into it and now he's 205 oh come on so his first day right right right so his first day of practice now it's april may this is the first time he's been cleared to actually do any kind of real movement on his ankle and he gets in he's doing a little move and he feels something in his ankle so he kind of kind of walks it off the coach looks at him and says hey are you all right right. He says, you know, he said, well, if you can't do the drill correctly, don't do

it. So that popped off. So I teach my kids, don't say nothing to adults. James went on head. If you got a problem, you come to me. So he got out of practice. He comes to me. Now, he tells me this, and then he continues to tell me what he hadn't told me over the course of the last three years. See, I'm a parent. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to sit back. I'm stay out the way, especially on his football, because I don't want these coaches feeling some kind of way. Yeah, yeah. I know everything, all that other stuff, right?

Yeah. So I'm going to sit back, I'm going to do all that. So now he's telling me from the time he was a freshman, basically they've been saying to him, you know, hey, man, you need to toughen up, you need to go harder, you need to do more, all this other stuff, right? Do they not know about his injury? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So we can't blame, we can't blame, we can't blame for that.

If they were to know, we, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't blame him for that, but my kids are tough. I don't raise, I don't raise wussies. You've been saying all this we're going to. I can only imagine, James. Exactly. So the fact that you're even insinuating that, and it kind of upsets me, but I go ahead and I'm like, you know what? He's like, yo, I don't want to play no more. I don't want to play here. I don't want to be here. Like, I'm done that. I'm like, listen, let me go talk to the coach. I got to insert myself now. Yeah. So I sit down. I'll talk to the coach. I'll talk to to coach. And, you know, I let him know. Like, you know, my son could have lost his life out there.

Like, if that thing went the other way, we wouldn't need nothing. He could have got out on the field. And on top of that, my son tells me that he has an exit meeting with the equipment manager. And the equipment manager tells him with my son, knowing they don't know this, that he has to get this surgery that's going to end his whole junior year, tells him, you know what i think you could have you could have been you know you could have toughened it out you could you could have did more oh no oh no so so i'm i'm telling the coach this we're going in and i let him know i said you know from this point forward i will no longer be sitting back i will be 100% active i will be present i will be yes i will be present so from that point forward like i was already going i got to work on this ankle every day because it's certain things that you need

to do to make sure, you know, it goes right and you got to floss it. It's things that the normal training room is not going to do. For sure. They don't even know to do. So fast forward again, we get into his first game back his senior year. He ain't played in the last, you know, two years, basically. And he doesn't miss half his sophomore, all of his junior, and now it's game one. dude we get into game one and I ain't going to lie I ain't never told my son he was he was he was good but I was like son you was you know he was doing good he was doing real good now the second half comes and he goes to cut and it's alignment on him he's trying to make the tackle he actually makes the tackle and his knee just bow it bows out right so at that same time he did his ankle

and his SC, he told me his knee hurt. You know, so he just said it hurt. I'm going to come back to that. So he goes and, you know, I kind of see the next play and I'm like, he ain't moving right. I know when my son ain't moving right. Two, three plays later, they called me like, hey, your son wants you.

I come down there and he's like, you know, my knee hurt. You know, when I stepped it, you know, it kind of went out and did da-da-da. So, you know, we're sitting there. I'm like, I don't know what to tell him, dude. I am, I'm at a loss for words, dude. I'm like, God, help me. I need something. I just, it ain't got to be now, but I need something, you know.

Yeah. So I'm sitting there. I get up. I go back into the stands, you know. The game ends, I go down, I grab his helmet. And he says, um, hey, dad, walk behind me in the line. I think something about to happen. I'm like, okay.

So I'm walking behind my son to the line. as they go do their thing, right? And you know how kids are. They mouth and talking back and forth. So as I'm walking behind in the line, the AD grabs me, say, oh, hey, you can't be in a line. I'm like, all right, cool.

So I moved to the side. So as I'm moving to the side, kids, you know, they're going back and forth. They're kids. You know, your coaches, you get your kid, you know, tell them, hey, kill it, whatever. Yeah. So as I'm walking through,

I didn't got so far behind that my son can't see me here about 20 yards ahead of me. And I see a grown man, a coach. He's pointing. He's saying, that's him right there. That's him. I said, hey, who the fuck you pointing at? What was he pointing at your son for? Saying he was the one that was mouthing off and off and that's the, basically that's the one y'all need to go get. I said, dude, you ever pointed mine again, you know, I went to-a-old-ass man.

Yes, I said, you're a grown-ass man, dude. You go ahead and grab these kids. Let these kids mouth off. Get your own kids. Oh, he went to. the crickets. So now the AD is trying to get me to leave. They then got security and all this other stuff. So I go on ahead and I walk back. So I still don't know what's up with James his ankle, right?

So, I mean, sorry, I still don't know what's up with James's knee. So we get back there and he's working his knee and I'm looking and I'm like, it's loose. I'm like, that ACL, it's loose. It's not, you know how you get that pop at the end? Yeah, it's not doing that pop. So, you know, I tell James,

Hey, go get dress. You know, doctor said, I don't know. You know, he's going to have to get a look at, you know, da-da-da. So I'm like, James, go get dressed. So I'm like, Doc, you know, that's a loose, dude. He said, I can't say for sure that is gone. He said, they had another kid to actually tour his complete. Like, that was, that his is totally, it was gone.

Like, it was no question. James is he couldn't say it for show, for show. He couldn't say it for show for show. It's a maybe. So I leave and as I'm leaving, you know, James come up to me. And he's like. It's like that. Just tell me the truth.

I'm like, son, I don't know. You know, if I knew, I would tell you, but I don't know. So we go and we get the, we go and we get the, we get the, we get the MRI. Now, I ain't a doctor, but I play one sometimes, okay? So I'm sitting back there and I'm looking at the MRI. And I'm like, dude, that's this ACL. Yeah. I'm looking at it.

It's an ACL. I can see it, dude. I'm like, it's his ACL. So he get out of the thing, and I'm, you know, I'm just preparing him, you know, I'm like, hey, I think from what I'm looking at, dude, it's your ACL. And, like, that's, you know, we figure out what it is. You're going to figure it out, babe. It's, I mean, hey, you can just go out, you go have to pray on it, dude.

Yeah. I'm like, everything, you got to put it in God's scenes from here. Everything happens for a reason. Everything happens for a reason. And I know right now in God's time. It's not your assignment. It's going to be God's time. Yes, no question.

So, you know, we go back over after we get the MRI and they put it up on the screen and I'm looking at it. And he sees it up there and he goes and start looking on his phone. And he looks and he's like, oh, yeah, it's gone. You know, and, you know, he ain't lost it yet. He ain't lost it yet. So Doc comes in and Doc is like, yeah, you know, he calls for, the guided reason, and he's like, um, you know, what about this? What about that?

And he's like, well, it's a meniscus. It looks like a little, uh, it's a slap tear on the meniscus and, you know, so on and so forth. And Doc's like, no, what about the, you know, what about the ACL? He's like, yeah, it's, um, it's scarred up. It's healed. He's like, it's scarred up. It's hill.

At some point, he, uh, he tore his ACL. It scarred up in a hill. The same game that he told me is knee hurt. where he messed up his ankle and he messed up his SC, he actually did a partial tear of his ACL. Team.

So. You're a little man, bro. Listen. All these injuries, he's fighting through. The next is the gangster. So I go and, you know, he's sitting over there. He's anxious, like, what, what, what?

And I'm kind of giggling in my head because I know what's going on. I know what's going on. And the, when he finally just sat down and was like, yo, so this is what it is. You got a slap tear. You're looking at maybe three to four weeks, and, you know, you could be back at it. Dude, this dude dropped to his knees.

Like, he hugged me. Yeah, dude, he hugged me. And I'm, like, laughing, but I'm laughing crying because I'm so happy, right? Oh, for sure. That's your back. Doc is like, what's going on? Are we okay? I'm like, Doc, you know what?

we are good dude we are real good and you know at times like that dude like i really lean heavy on the word you know what i'm saying i lean heavy right now what i do is i actually send my son's scripture in the morning after i do my my reading in the morning you know and the the more i get into the word the closer and the more of a relationship i build my lord and savor i was i was baptized and And, you know, I accept my Lord and Sabre in August of 24, dude. And from that point forward, I can't, I can't, I can't think of anything that has given me more comfort than that, dude. You know, um, I love that. And, and for him, you know, at the time, I'm just telling me like, yo, you know, you're being, you're being attacked right now, man.

And this is not, this is not, this is not, this is that. He's trying to pull you away. He's seeing that you're getting closer and he's trying to pull you away to get you to be like, you know what? This ain't working. No, it's working. You know what I'm saying? It's always, yes.

It just may not be right now. It may not be right now. You have to go through different things to build more faith. You know what I'm saying? It may not come when you want it. Yes. Be there right on time.

No question. You know what I'm saying? So I say all. that to let them know, man. So after that game, the AD sent out a letter like the coaches, you know, the players, they can't be on the field anymore. I mean, well, parents can't be on the field anymore

and all that other stuff, right? So, you know, me, I got to let them know. I'm going to protect mine at all costs. All costs. And as I said before, it's only two things that go stop me from protecting mine. That's God in the grave.

He ain't neither one of them. You understand. Well, Debo, good news is your good man is good, my young man is good. Yes, sir. And we got some good ball. And we got some football. How it go? How I go?

Faith. Family football? Faith family football. That would they say. Let's go. Let's get to the football, babe. We got the Vikings, man. They, you know what?

It ain't even the Vikings, man. It's another team that squandered some. something in the fourth quarter, dude. I don't know what it's going on with this week. You, and your, you got the conspiracy theory. I'm trying to tell you, man. I'm trying to tell you. Listen, man.

I'm going to give credit. I'm going to give credit to JJ, man. Like, you know, he stays a comeback for the ages, you know. Yeah. But he got some help, man. He got some help. You know what I'm saying? He's the first starting quarterback with a 10 plus fourth quarter comeback

in his NFL debut. since Steve Young, 1985, man. Yes. He's the only such quarterback since 1950 to do it so on the road. Yes. Yes. And he did it, but like 13 of 20, 143 yards, 2 touch, and he still had a pick to the house.

Bears, how did you lose that game, man? This one I'm trying to tell you, James, you're always going to have winners and you're going to have losers at the end of these games. You want to lead a stadium with a win. The Bears find out a way to lose. They find out a way to lose. I love Caleb first drive. He looks amazing.

He's scrambling around. His line, not getting too much protection. He didn't really... He had me ready to jump on the bandwagon. Who? He had me ready to jump on the bandwagon. It looked nice, right? What?

Nothing that the bears really do is on time. You know what I'm saying? Everything is ad living. He's moving. He's scrambling. He's getting around. He's extending plays. Nothing's really too simple for him.

drop back boom i'm chilling uh get the ball out everything he's he's running for his life and extending plays and making things go a little bit harder j j mccarthy beginning of the game was not looking good through the pick six and the third not looking good but listen but listen what i'm telling you listen what i'm telling you the way that you just stay the flow stay a course his coach j j jay mccarthy and my good man josh mccowan over there back up the quarterback he was a quarterback for the browns he's now on the sideline i think he might be quarterback coach there. The way that they made

it's simple for him, and when they went man-in-man in the fourth quarter, he started going to Justin Jefferson. He threw the ball to the running back out of the backfield, Aaron Jones, on the wheel route for the touchdown,

and then he used his legs. I just love the fact how the Vikings, they didn't give up on him. He was not, don't get me any structure to imagine. J.D. McCarthy played

like Aaron Rogers or any of those other dudes, but he said he did or you said, he did not. Oh, okay. Not even Clay. Don't do that. Not even close.

Okay, I got you. I'm misheard you. I'm saying McCarthy, JJ, he did what he had to do to end up winning the game. In the fourth quarter, they scored 21 points. He did those drives. I'm not saying at the beginning of the game, that was subpar. That was subpar, for sure. But the Bears could have extended their lead.

They could have won. They could have figured it out. But when it got to the end, when it got to the gritty, he scored three touchdowns when they needed to get those touchdowns and get out of the stadium. And the Bears found a way to finagle it and to lose it. So. One question, dude. them boys only had like a 7% chance of winning

with 1.34 left in the third quarter. What was it, 17, 16? Probably. The fourth quarter. 21? Fourth quarter, 21 points, brother. 21. So I just love, I mean, I'm not going to, I'm not praising like he played

amazing. The first quarters were not all at in any stretch. He didn't do not to 50-some yards, an interception, a pick six. But in that four, it needed to be done, he did. Whatever, whatever that halftime message was that O'Connor told JJ, man. Like, I want to know what he said.

Like, that happened. He still came out of half and still through the pick six. Hey, you know what came out? Great speech. Pick six. Boom. All right, we still good? Hey, listen, this is what's going to happen?

You're going to throw this pick six and then you go take it. Then you're going to come back and even better. That's what's your best halftime speech you ever had? Or did you even need that? Oh, the best halftime speech I ever had that was in college. by Tim Tebow when we were... Dude, I hear that a lot. Tebow got words.

Tebow got bars and Tebow mean what he's safe. And that's why I rocked with Tebow was on. He's like, look at me. Look at me. We're going to get in the best 60 minutes for the rest of our lives. For the rest of our lives.

That was the best pregame, the best half-time speech I've ever had. You thought you thought them 60 minutes after that, y'all was just dead. That's all it's matter, huh? That's all we had. I was going to give him all I had because I know he was going to give me all he had.

Oh, no question. I think Tebow was like the coldest college quarterback era. I mean, pros, this is something different, you know what I'm saying? That's a totally different, that's a totally different monster over there. Like, dude, Caleb, he just, I think he helped everything that they did, dude. Like, first quarter, fire. Second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter, fourth quarter, dude. I think the last three quarters, dude, went what?

It was a couple of passes in the fourth quarter. I'm not going to lie. Well, 12 of 20, 30? 30-some? He was throwing great. 27? Something like that? He shows flashes.

He shows flashes all around of excellence, scrambling, throwing it on the run, all different angles, putting the ball on where it needs to be. But like you said, in that fourth quarter, put the ball where it needs to be, dude, he missed that wide

in the four-yard touchdown. I'm saying through the first three. Through the first three quarters, we saw all that he was diving. But then in the fourth, we saw errant throws, just over people's heads, things that you just,

You just need to make those passes. And when I say that with Judge McArthur, on the fourth quarter, when he threw that wheel route to the running back, it was perfect because he didn't even throw it, like make him go run and get it. He's wide open. Throw it so he can catch the ball

and fall into the end zone. You know what I'm saying? Like, just simple things like that is where, Caleb, just get the ball into their hands. A lot of plays he does do great. But then in the fourth, it just started looking like, I don't know what it was,

but some passes was just flying out of his hands. Listen, man, how are you going to be the number one pick dude? your draft class, and now you don't lost two, everybody that came at you, Daniels, May, and JJ. What are we talking about? Yeah, you're right. And he was the number one pick, too. And, I mean, I ain't a lot.

The Bears, it's the Bears. It's the Bears. It's the organization. Like, I don't really like what they're doing over there, man. They setting them up. They got them looking crazy. They had Trubisky out there looking crazy. They had Justin Fields out there looking crazy.

Now they got Caleb out there looking crazy. They had the field out there looking crazy, dude. The field! Yeah, they had the field out there. They up there stamping down the field. Patched up. Patched up. Like, you ain't have a damn game.

Like, bro, I don't know what they're doing. We had a situation like that with distillers, dude. It was, I want to say, it was like 2007 Miami. And it, well, you know, they have like all those games playing, like, around that time. And then pit plays on it. They had the high schools playing on it. So what they did is they resided the field like right after they had stopped the games on Saturday. And then it rained, poured cats and dogs, bro.

It was so bad. The punter kicked the ball and the ball hitting the ground and just stayed there just like that. Like a golf shot. Like a golf? Yes, dude. And then like when you would go to cut, dude, like if this was my foot right here bro like that thing would be all the way up

on my ankle dude like on my damn they're close to my my shin dude like my foot would be that deep into the into the mud when you was going to cut and that was at where that was a high field that was a Heinz field they had resotted

so what they did is they I believe it ended up being they sotted it for them and then they couldn't get it removed so they like kind of like sotted on top and then it poured rain like for the whole time like all the way through the game and all that like dude that was the worst that was the worst that was the worst field you ever played on dude that's that's the worst that was the worst field i had ever played on dude okay yeah one

i mean i played in chicago a couple of times and their field is the grass is high and it's kind of patchy you know so that that field is just not i'm not not a fan of not a fan of the Bears field. I'm not a fan of turf. I mean, I like, I like natural grass. So, my favorite do that bother you when you go out there and you see like they ain't really taking care of the field, do it? I mean, no,

it doesn't affect me. Hey, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you this right now. When I see the field ain't taken care of and it's like it's like muddy inside, I'm like, yeah, they can't run. That helps me. Like, I'm a power through it. I'm a speed guys. I'm going to be able to catch their ass now. I'm a

cornerback. I'm a cornerback. My first thing I'm thinking about is my footing. Can I can I fall? Can I break? So I instantly need to go get the seven studs. Yes. You got a stagger. When we in the grass and you got a terrible field, I got to go get them seven studs with them long, so I know

my feet no matter what. Do you're always making fun of the seven stuzz, but if you're in the grass and the terrible field and you don't have on seven studs, you're not going to be sticking. So if you're going, you stagger them things that give you that good grip. Oh, for sure. Down on that big one on the front, small one

here, two big ones here, and then your small was in the back. Like, you got to stagger them things, man. It makes it so much easier to grip and get on to that field. My coach, Keith Butler, man, he taught us that, man. Oh, yeah, but ain't no busts you making sure. Go put the seven studs. Yeah. Get you some, yeah, I have buzz.

Get you some seven studs. Oh, yeah, you were getting at one year, yeah. I have butts for the show. Yeah. Love, yeah. was. Yeah, for sure, man. That's, that's, dude.

Butts is the best linebacker coach I ever had. I bet. Like, I credit him with my career just as much as I credit. Dick LaBow. Without the two of them, there is no me, dude.

No, Bussie was a great good. Bussie's hilarious, bro. He's hilarious. Yeah. So, let's get over here to that Sunday night loss with the Ravens. So that Sunday night loss for the Ravens was the seven time since the start of the 2022 season that they have lost the game while leading by double digits in the second half, Doug.

Wow. That's crazy, dude. They have blown 17 such leagues since John Harbaugh became the team's coach. Hardball ignotics, that number is too high. And he said the team has to be really. intentional when they find themselves in the position in the future. Maybe part of it is we're ahead, we're ahead a lot, and we have a lot of two-point leads. I don't believe we need to really, I believe we need to really, what is they say? I believe we need to really thoughtfully,

what? I can't see it. Make it bigger. They need to be thoughtful and protecting leads. There we go. I do believe we need to be really thoughtful of how we approach the situation going forward. Let's give it some time. Let's give it some thought. Let's give it. Let's give some thought to the play calling. Let's give some thought to the defense play calling. Let's give some thought to my mind's, to our mindset.

Yeah, it's everything I told you. Y'all stop calling plays. You started calling plays to try and run the clock out. The defense started playing soft. Keep everything in front of you. And a mindset was gone as soon as they got that, what was it, 20 to 25 to 40 lead. They just thought it was going to be a pushover and take off. You're only two scores away from actually losing the game if they make two, two-point conversions.

Debo, you speaking, you're saying, he's saying, I don't, we need to be thoughtful about protecting leads. No, you don't. You need to keep on doing what you was doing to get the lead. You need to keep on trying to score. Hey, the protect word is the same thing as you're talking about right here. Play to win. Don't play to lose. When you start playing not to lose, then that's when you lose.

You got to play to win the game. You get up in the lead. Don't start changing nothing up. Keep going hard. Keep blitzing them. Don't make your defense get back and get all protective. No. You know what I'm saying?

Keep blasting them. You're supposed to pull them out. You're supposed to pile on. Right. Pow on. Dog walk their ass. So when you get to chilling, they're going to get to spanking you. It's a such thing.

has momentum. And so when you let the dog get one bite on you, they're like, all right, bet, now we're getting, now you in retreat mode. No, don't never go in retreat, Mr. Harbaugh. You have Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson. Don't slow them down. Keep going. Keep going, keep going, keep scoring.

That's the way you're going to protect your lead, make it bigger. Yeah. Yes, that's the way you protect your league. You make it bigger. You don't sit there and hold on to it. This ain't like it's two minutes left and they ain't got no time out. Dang it, no. This man got a whole quarter.

And y'all just seen him go down there and. and get a field goal in less than 20 seconds at the end of the half. He walked it down there. Stop. What are we talking about? What are we saying, man?

Like, that don't make no sense at all. That's why I love Jim Harbour. He's a great coach, but what he's saying out of his mouth right there, I just don't agree with. Like, just keep going hard. Like, we need to be thoughtful of protecting the lead.

No, you need to keep trying to murder, keep trying to score, keep trying to sack, strip fumble. Keep trying to get more points. Yeah, I think just, I think he might have, used the wrong word and he came back and said they need to change the plate calling and all that thought forward protecting you know that's that's more of like yo i'm gonna hold on to this i'm

not trying to get more i'm not trying to make more you know that's like somebody that's like you i'm gonna just go hold on to my money i ain't going invested and trying to make more of you know i'm just go protected like it's gonna be safe right here yeah i'm not i'm not no i got i got invested into into something that's going to make me more come on so the fan who hit de hopping and Lamar on the helmet last night has been indefinitely banned from the Bill Stadium according to Adam Schepner

Yep Keep your hands and your feet to yourself, fans I still listen I still say they should press charges on I know what you said Dibo You're ready for him to get locked up If they had did it

The van would have went and pressed some charges If he would have took off on the fan first And you'd push him Yeah, he brought him to do Look at dude, Cardi B Oh, yeah Try to get her for 20 Yeah, yeah, yeah

She would her for show He would have for show She didn't even touch her She was just saying some words to her I wasn't even talking about Whooping on her either No Just asked her what she was doing

With some other, you know, other language to it Yeah Well, like I hope I hope this less fans know Your ass ain't gonna be able To come to no more games

You put your hands on people You can still watch You can still watch on TV Oh, that's lovely, though. Debo, I mean, you can't be present. Dude, you can watch on TV, drink, and all that. Listen, I need more of a penalty, man, because we would get more of a penalty.

I need them to get that same penalty. Bro, we speak the same penalty, but they need... We speak about penalties. My man, he might not even get suspended for spitting. What? Your man, I might not even get suspended for spitting. Hey, I ain't going to lie to you, bro.

He might not. When I think about it, my first start happened because Joey Porter spit on, I believe, was William Green. Pre-game spit in Cleveland? Yes, sir, yes, sir. Pre-game spit, fight, all that. Peezy. Wow, man.

Love Peezy. I appreciate you, baby. You need my first start. That was 2004. Oh, yes. Got me my first start, for sure. I really appreciate that. That was back in the day.

That was back in the day What you're trying to say, Joe? Oh, my bad, OG. No, no. I'm just feeling, I'm feeling some type of where I felt like I felt like I felt like an old like No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no photo. Yeah, that was there.

That was back before my time, yep. Before you. Okay. Okay, I ain't go crash out, you know what I'm saying? Hey, what else you got, Debo? What else I got? Yeah. All right, man, let me see what I got going on here.

Take me where I need to be. So let's get it to Kittles, man. Kittles, he reportedly is expected to be sidelined for multiple weeks after suffering their hamstring injury during Sunday's win over Seattle, dude. That's wild. They're going to need him. They're going to need him. I mean, especially now.

I don't know. I hope Christian McCaffrey stays. healthy this whole season because that dude is a baller once he's on the field. But if they lose kittles, we're going to eat more McCaffrey. You know what? He lost two weeks, he lost two games last year with a hamstring. You know, these guys that like do these soft tissue injuries, I don't think they understand it's like a, it's a muscle imbalance.

It's either for him, he's probably, he's doing hamstrings. He's probably a guy that's quad-dominant. If you strengthen the squads and get them closer to. to the balance of his hamstrings. Yeah, to balance of his hamstrings, he won't, you know, he won't, he won't pull a quads. And, you know, especially like in the first, you know, a couple weeks of the season,

you get a lot of guys with soft tissue injuries. And it's just, you know, either imbalance or it's a combination of an imbalance with fatigue because you got these guys, like I said, you get in the preseason, nobody really plays in the preseason. I know what I'm saying? You'd be lucky if you get, you know, 10 snaps in the preseason game now. Yep.

You get in a lot of reps. Right. Then you go out there week one. And even the reps, like you said, you get, they're not 100 miles an hour. And then you go out there week one and you tell your body, hey, I need you to give me 40, 50 reps at 100 miles an hour. For sure. Right now.

Yo, what's going on? And then they wonder why they get these soft tissue injuries. And a lot of guys don't train like that anymore, you know? Like, you know, when I train, people are like, James, why are you sitting up there pushing a, you know, a 2,000-pound sled. I'm putting that tension on my Achilles. I'm building up to that. I make sure I'm getting that.

Like, I don't start at 2000. I built up to that through the course of, you know, my training. So that when it comes time to actually do that and press on it, it's used to it. So it's not going just going, you know, give out of them. Yep. They act like you pushing on them line and like leaning on them. That's $2.000. You're trying to get them up off you.

And you want, ah, that's a lot. That's a lot of ways. Oh, they're thinking about putting on the temporary where you got to be out at least four weeks. What is that? On Kittle? Yeah, yeah.

I guess Ian Rappaport reported that Kittle would likely be sidelined three to five weeks. Ooh. He sure he ain't tear that thing? That's more than just a little strang. That's definitely more than a strain. That thing off the bone.

No, I'm trying to put the ball, show. Yeah, man, you try to get the man all the way out. No, I'm not trying to get him out, bro. They got to retash that, man. That thing can't be off the bone. No, I hope. I swear, I hope it's not. I want him to be okay.

I want him to come back as soon as possible. Oh, no question. You know, a few weeks with a little hammie. Hey, you ever poured a hammie? Yes, I did. I did. How long? I was about three weeks.

Three weeks, two, yeah, three weeks. Yo, so I don't, I don't think nobody knows this, because I've never told anybody. So when I jumped over Ladany in towns in San Diego, that was another spot starter I got, like, in, who, was that 2004? That might have been the same year. I pulled my groin, and I didn't miss no time. I just kept playing through it. people are you are crazy hey I just got soft tissue work

I got some acupine I got some dry needling dude and I just kept going with the breath I tried that I played on the strain groin for two weeks but then my joint actually I had to get surgery on both sports hernias

both both groins double sports hernia joint yeah yeah that wasn't that ain't that ain't you must not have been really doing the doing the the care, the soft tissue work with the act?

Bro, I was doing all the crazy work until it happened. And then when it happened, the other one happened. And then the offseason, but it was good. Once I got surgery on them, I was solid until now, until I retired. Now, my left going acting a little crazy. But I don't need to get from zero to 60 in full speed right now. So I'm still solid. Dude, I'm trying to tell you when you retired, listen, bro,

I don't have most surgeries since that I got done. And I did while I was playing. I'm not letting no, that's why I had to get up out of there when I got up out of there. I started being like, man, if I keep going, I might be a little messed up

where I can't run and move the way I want to. So, I mean, it was right around this time. That's why I still got my left groin. My left groin is still not to 100%. Like, I can't do certain stretches. You know what I'm saying? Just normal stretches,

but I can make it shake. You know what I'm saying? Like, if I had to play another year, boy, I might need to get another. the whole surgery for sure in my growl. I felt that same way about my back, dude, and then through the process of actually doing, this goes sound crazy, dude, doing a food sensitivity allergy test, I ended up finding out, like, I was severely, severely, like, allergic to eggs, not to where I would blow up, but

to where my body had a inflammatory response. I did that same test. Yeah. So after I, uh, you did the Allcat? Yes, brother. I need these pork and pears. So after I, um, after I did that, you know, my doc had been telling me for a minute like, yo, my natural, like, you need to stop eating the eight, eight, stop eating the eggs. I'm like, dude, that's the only thing I eat. What else I'm going to eat? I'm eating, you know, a dozen and a half eggs a day. So at that point, you know, to get out of bed, dude, you know, after the two back surgeries, I'd be on my, you know, hands and knees, just sitting there warming up and then go hit the shower. And then go hit the shower. And, and, you know, and then, you know, take off the practice. And I finally listened and I stopped. And within like six months, all of a sudden I was popping out of bed, dude. Like, popping out of bed just going. And I'm like, energy.

So you're not normally, you wasn't normally more than a person eating all of them eggs. No, no, no. It wasn't, I had the energy. But it was the inflammatory response on my back that was killing me where I had to warm up and start getting things moving and get that, get that, get that. inflammation out of there. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, I'm gonna pop up and rise.

I'm a three o'clock dude. Every three. I get up, I get up every day, well, not every day. What time do you go to sleep, Debo? What time do you go to sleep? If you're waking up at three, you guys... Hey, I'm telling you right now, it's murdering me with these night games, bro.

Like, it's murdering me with these... Now, I'm getting like two, three hours of sleep, hitting the gym, coming back through, doing everything I need to do. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, I just...

Some days you... For, well, actually, I only need probably, like, I'm a, I used to be a four to six guy. I'm probably more like a five to six guy. But I could function a good week and a half, two weeks on, you know, three to four. So I'm good. It's only a couple days. And then I'll get some sleep. I'll get some sleep tomorrow.

So I'll be all right. You're going to sleep in until five, you know. That's sleeping in to me. So come Saturday and Sunday, I sleep in until five. Monday through Friday is three o'clock. And it keeps, yeah, it keeps going from there, brother. I'm probably, hang on, I'm like, I'm like six o'clock. I'm, I was up at six.

I got the kids and everything. So I'm probably up six o'clock every day. Even on Saturday, Sunday? Sunday we got church. So, you know, I'm up at six o'clock on it. But Saturday, I might try to sleep in. But the kids, they don't, they're the alarm clock. They're going to wake up, like, especially on Saturday,

they want to act like they won't wake up earlier because they know they don't got school. So they don't care. They might wake up at five. They're ready for whatever on Saturday. Man, your kid's young, huh? My kids are nine. And with my boy just turned nine today, and my boy, Jet, is a six. Man, my youngest, that dude will get 16 hours if you let him.

No, I promise you, dude. He just slept like my brother kid. He just sleep came, man. Like, he will, he'll, this dude will come home from school. Go to sleep and won't wake up. until he got to use the bathroom and if he got homework and he'll wake up like

like five o'clock before he got to go to school to get it done. Like, dude. Oh, he's sleeping and sleeping? Dog, this dude, sleep, sleep. Oh, that's... And then when he don't sleep, sleep, you could find him, you know,

three o'clock in the morning up there with the headphones on. What are you doing with the headphones on? Man, he's playing the damn game. On the sticks? Okay. Dude, he wanted them, he wanted those, what's the computer games they play, dude? They got these.

Is he on Fortnite? I don't know, man. They got these computers, cost the arm and the leg. Tell me about it. My little boy, they got the iPads right now, so they, I'm chilling. I still don't got no gamer systems for them. But we got the PS5, when we just do the 2K, you know what I'm saying, in the mat. Maybe a little FIFA.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? None of the crazy games yet. Grand Turismo maybe. You know what I'm saying? Car games. My boy, Joey. What's Grand Tourismo, dude?

Grand Tourismo, bro. We got the racing car simulator game with like the driver and the gas pedal and the and the shifters. It's a whole setup? It's a whole setup. You can get a whole setup. I got a whole page. Like I'm riding the NASCAR.

Yeah, you got to, you got to show me. I'm going to show you that. I'm a driver. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to show you. I got my CDLs, you know what I'm saying? I could, if you, if y'all need somebody out there, I got, I got passenger endorsement ridded. So I'm a, I'm a class B driver.

I could drive to school buses, you know. I was thinking about driving the school buses, you know what I'm saying? Go on head and tell them kids, sit your ass on down now. You're probably scared to hell you with my bus driver. Hey, listen, for real, though, this is what I was thinking about doing. I don't even know if they would have let me, but I wanted to, I wanted to go. and be the driver like one of my son's buses, like, one time and, like, had him, had me be right here.

If you got your license, if you got the CDLs, yeah. I got past your endorsements, all that. Talk to the bus driver. He'll sub you in. Boom. You're sub me right in. Boom. Hold it down, you go.

I did all that, like, in college, dude. I got my CDLs in college, so. Oh, that's smooth. Yeah, I was a bus driver before, you know, I had set out what I didn't sit out. I had to, I didn't have the grades to be eligible. I was a prop 48, so, you know, well, I don't even know if y'all had prop, then you're a little

younger than me, so. Yeah. You, when you propped, you couldn't do nothing with the, you couldn't do nothing with the team. They didn't pay for your education or nothing. You just went to school. Oh, okay. And then I messed that up. So now I had to pay for another year.

What did you? And then the coaches changed, right? Yeah. I ended up walking on at Kent State. With my good man, Josh Cribbs at quarterback. Yes, sir. Well, he came in in my senior year. Josh, Josh's a lot younger me.

Okay, Debo, you're just putting years on yourself. Right. You're a grown man, Debo. You don't care. You look. You look. I told you, I thought you was, I thought you was like 42. Nah, no, bro.

I'm closer to 50 than I am to 40. That's what I'm saying. Closer to my... I'm 36. Close to what? You started there. Huh? Closer to my dad's age, Debo.

I'm not going to lie. I think you might be a little bit closer to my dad age than me. How old are your dad? 56. How old are you? 36. Yeah, I think you might be nine years.

I think you might be closer to my dad. Hey, man, you need to watch how you talk to your elders now. That's what I've been talking to you. That's what I've been talking to you with respect this whole time. You show some respect for I call your daddy and tell him, go on head over there and whip your ass, boy. Oh, do you're stupid? You stoop.

Oh, man. No, but for real, though. You is a little closer to pops than me. He probably just by one year. But look, all right. Do your dad turn 57 this year? No, he just turned 56 this year. Do you turn?

I turn 37. When? April 14th. All right. I ain't tripping. All right. Look, Debo. So, yeah, you close to my dad to me.

We got that established. Let's talk about Russell Wilson. Hey, he's still starting. Definitely. He's still starting. But like, you know, like you were saying, he getting. he's getting another week he getting he getting close to you know if he don't if he don't do something he's getting close to you go ahead and but you'll be sitting back there but like you said of depot

they don't want to throw out the new man and just get him beat up because russell wilson was running for his life out there so we don't want to throw out the new guy jackson dark who we got we don't want to throw a new quarterback out there and then he just starts getting hit just like russell So we want to put Russell out there, the vet, you know what I'm saying, so he can try to just be able to get the line blocking for him. Because no matter who's back there, if you switch out Russell and put the other guy, he's going to keep getting hit. So at the same time, you don't want to put your rookie quarterback out there

in a situation where you know he's not in a position to win, and at least not this early. It's only game two. Like, let's see what Russell can do with this offense build, try to get Malik neighbors into the game. You know what you got there. but protecting the quarterback is thing one and Russ is a vet so I wouldn't throw my young dude out there to be getting hit upside the head this early yet. You know, like Russ, even, you know, when he was with distillers last year, you know, he gets a, you know, when he get a little unsure, he'd rather, he'd rather throw it closer to it being out than it being in, especially, you know, when you got those, those, you know, defenders close to him.

and it's like a, you know, one of those sideline throws. Yeah, I, yeah, I didn't, especially like as it got deeper into the season, I started, I started noticing that, or at least that was my view of it, you know. What would you, what was your view of? Did you? Man, my, I like the way, I mean, the one thing that Russell was doing, I did kind of like, at least he was given the receivers opportunities. I mean, just throw that, he threw some good fade balls to George when he was there,

and that's what. Yeah, but it was. For some that just like, yo, you didn't even give him my opportunity. It's just totally out of bounds. I know, I know. I know. I mean, that was the thing. I mean, normally he though, normally that's his best, that's his best pass he throws is the go ball.

And he gives the dudes ops. But I don't know. He was throwing him out of bounds sometimes. It just, it didn't look, it didn't look Russell like. Hopefully he doesn't do that. Like I saw in this. It didn't look Russell like. I ain't, like I said, Russell was good dude.

But Russell's been looking, Russell, the Russell that we're looking at. He'd been looking like that, what, since Denver? But like I said, too, though, he didn't look too, like this is the, how are you going to say the man, if you don't have no time to throw the ball, how are you going to grade a man? Hey, like, you know time to throw the ball. Look at Aaron Rogers. He was getting that thing out of there. Very little time to throw the ball. He made decisive decisions.

He got to all out when he needed to. You'll play calling. Play calling. Yeah. Put our position to win? Can we give Russell some options where you can get it out faster? We got deep routes. Why are we throwing?

Is he not getting it out faster or is he just holding on to it for fear of it being a pick? Because he's unsure. Could be both. Could be both. There's two ways it's getting a cat. That's for sure. But, I mean, to say, I mean, he's a veteran quarterback. Like, if nothing else, you.

You should be able to just see it and get it down. Yeah. I think right now they're going to keep them in there, give them another shot to do better before they put dart in there. Because if they put dart in there right now, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm going to be honest, dude. I don't see them putting dart in there until, like, they don't, they don't want at least. I'm with you, like, three-fold deep. Like, you can't, like you said, he's, he's being pressured.

your rookie quarterback is not going to make more decisive decisions unless he is you know actually a better actually maker you can see it better it's more decisive with it but you know you start getting into games where you got these deep coordinator that you get this rookie in here and what's the first thing they do you start throwing everything at you know everything in the kitchen sink to confuse them you know you disguise it you know you you're going to do different things like when you know coach lebow we would play a rookie quarterback dude, oh, the sky's game is on point, and you're trying to confuse him, you know, every which way?

No, I get that. I get that. But at the same, I mean, Jackson Dart, he could be better. Like, he didn't look bad. I mean, obviously, it's the preseason, but he was throwing the ball. He's getting it out of his hands fast. They picked him before. He was a high, he was, what was it?

First, what round did Dart go in? Was it? First round? I think I might have been the first round. Yeah. So he was definitely, he went before Shador, so they're seeing something in them.

Yeah, but I just not too big on the Giants. So it's kind of like, I mean, Darts back there, Wilson's back there, is going, hopefully they,

hopefully they can. Is the head coach new in New York and Giants? Is it Debo? Brian? Coach Debo. I don't know. I don't know him by. He was my,

he was a coach. For me, I think he was an offensive coordinator for the Browns when I was there in Cleveland. Yeah. So he drafted, well, yeah, obviously he drafted. Start. Listen, at some point, everybody goes to start having to think about, you know, making sure they, they protecting their job and the decisions that they made and drafting this person. First rounder is supposed to come in and contribute to the team that year, right? That's why you put them first.

I think quarterbacks are a little tricky I understand any other position besides the quarterback they're supposed to be instant starter baller and the quarterback even if he's not ready you're projecting if you draft him in the first round that he's going to be a franchise quarterback that's what I'm expecting if I draft a quarterback in the first round

I don't know I'm thinking I'm thinking he might get a crash course so to speak and uh yeah it might have to happen for sure Because if Russell keep getting hit like this, like they was, I was looking on Instagram, I got to, I'm going to pull up some clips when they show, like, they're like, oh, they want Dark to start because nobody, they just had free runs at them a couple of times. Okay. I don't like it. Joe, before we go out of here, we got our first super chat, Joe.

What's Super Chat? Big old head donate. Bag on head donated $5 and said, James, I was at the Dolphins game in 2007. The field was horrible. I think John Beck played quarterback for Miami. Score was three to nothing. Stillers, right.

That sound right. That does sound right. That good, man. There we go. What's his name? I think that was. Bag on head, don't they, that's, that's just, I guess that must be his, is, his, um, just chat name. His chat name is just bag on head.

Why you're a bag on head, man? You a Browns fan? Oh, man, no, I hope, I hope. Shots fired. You can't call me old think I ain't going to shoot back. Can call me old think I ain't going to shoot back. Mm-hmm. No, no, no.

My mama, son. You're a winning time. Well, play that. man John donated $2 and said fellas Stillers just signed

Julian Jabber Peppers No they didn't did they Gibreel Peppers they signed him Are you serious Oh

that's nice I play with Jabriel in Cleveland and he got drafted there that's a football player Yeah, but where does it play? That's the big thing. Like, where... It don't matter.

I mean, like, we can have him at safety. We can have him at safety or slot nickel or either strong, whatever, whatever opposite where Jayland's at, slot him down. He could blitz. Nickel back or safety. Nickel safety. Nickel safety for sure. Nickel safety. I say safety.

I don't know about nickel. The only reason I say nickel, he's going to be covered, he can cover tight ends and he can blitz. He's a tackler. Like, the way we use Mike Hilton, like, still is used Jabrille like Mike Hilton. That, man, I'm not, that would be nice. He's tackling, bro. That's the one thing. Like, we need some people that's in that joint filling us some of these holes.

Hey, man. You know, bag on head. He a Dolphins fan, bro. And he donated, bro. He donated five, dude. We can't, you know. I mean, everybody got their faults, you know. I mean, I'm here.

I'm here for it. Yeah. Yeah, it's okay. You know what I'm saying? Appreciate it. I appreciate the information, though. I think that was a 3-0 game. Or was it 3 to 6?

I got one. Somebody got to check that out. I got somebody got to check that out. But I got one. I got something I want to talk about. Oh, hold on. What time we got? Oh, it's 12-1-1.

Keep on. I got it. I got it. Last one. NBA MVP, Shagher's Alexander, says that there's no way he could play in the NFL. Which NBA players do you think could play in the NFL

or and vice versa? Who you think, James? Ooh. You know what, man? I would want to say that somebody could but they're so tall, man. You're going to get cut down.

Only reason why I'm saying is like, I think so say, but say six, How tall was Jimmy Graham Tight in when he was playing for the Saints? He was like 6.7. 6.6. Okay.

So I'm looking at you put Braun at tight end at 68-260. I don't know. Like, you know what I'm saying? Megatron was 6.5-250. Like, and then just depending on, I think Bronca. I think Bronca could do it for show. I think even, I think maybe Anthony Edwards. might be able to do it and play safety or something

because I just like his aggressiveness. If Dirk Rose played football, I think Dirk Rose might have been able to do it. I know A. I would have been able to do it. Yeah, he did it. He did it. He was number one in both. He could have just went in the way.

Yeah, he went the right way though. Yeah. And then with basketball, who do I see that could play in the NBA that plays in the NFL? Maybe See, that's going to be the tough part because we're going to need like a They're tall.

So we're going to need somebody that's like a wire, like somebody like can, like, can Calvin play shooting guard? You know what I'm saying? Six, five, two, fifty. But then he has to be good at basketball. Hey, it's probably a quarterback. It's going to be a quarterback. To run the one?

I don't know what they're going to run. But it's going to have to be a quarterback because these quarterbacks actually be good of shooting the ball because they, I'm just telling you. Like, you ever, you ever seen Ben play basketball? Yeah. He can shoot. He got Trayball. He got a tray ball. Yeah.

And you know who else, dude? I take it back. Kiesel, dude. Brett Kiesel, young Brett Kiesel? Man, I think Brett Kiesel was a McDonald's All-American back in the day in high school. Terrell Pryor. Okay. Terrell prior.

You know what? I ain't going to lie. I'm going to throw, I ain't going to throw my. You know what? No. No. You're going to throw yourself in there? I'm going to throw my hat in the bucket.

No, no, no, no, no, don't do that. Yeah, bro. You know who I'm going to throw my hat in the bucket. I'm Garda. You know what? Look at, I'm going to be out that thing like, Hey, man, we want to thank y'all guys for joining us because Joe about to sit here and tell us some lies, man. Thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe, man. Hit the like button and subscribe. Don't want to miss nothing, man. We'll be out.

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