Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Broderick Jones Suffers Setback, McCarthy on Steelers Draft, Ty Simpson Turns Down $6.5Mil

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to reports that Broderick Jones has suffered a setback in his rehab from injury, Steelers head coach Mike McCarthy talking about the teams draft plans, Ty Simpson turning down $6.5Mil to transfer to Miami, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Joe announcing Browns pick in 2026 NFL Draft10:35 - Broderick Jones suffers setback18:00 - Mike McCarthy on Steelers draft needs24:09 - Rodgers holding Steelers hostage?34:30 - Ty Simpson turned down $6.5Mil?! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That code is Debo Joe to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. Welcome back to this episode of Devo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get the show. Joe, what in the fiddle fattel is going on here. Yeah, I'm just feeling, this is our show before the draft,

and I'm just feeling like, you know what I'm saying? I'm just feeling real draft-like. I'm feeling like real NFL ready. I'm having flashbacks when I got drafted. When I walked across that stage, when I had that feeling, you know what I'm saying? So I just was in the mood. I felt like I needed to throw my gear on, game jersey.

It took two to put this one on. You know what I'm saying? It took two to put that on. Got my sleeve on. You know what I'm saying? Game ready. Wow. I was going to help you about how,

How was your draft day experience? How did you feel in the draft? Do you want to know how I felt in the draft? Yep. You know, I felt I didn't even know it was a draft. You know what I don't know what that feels like to get drafted, Joe. You know? Honestly, I think, I don't know what I was doing that day.

I couldn't even remember, to be honest with you, you know what I'm saying? Because it wasn't, it wasn't of, you know, great importance to me, I guess. It was more important about, you know. What happened once I got there and, you know, and the goal of being, you know, part of an NFL football team is to win Lamar. So when did they end up, when did they end up reaching out to you? Did your agent tell you that, you know what I'm saying? I was a package jail, Joe.

Okay. Who did you go with? I don't even know who it was. They just needed an extra body, you know what I'm saying? Okay. I didn't get all, you know, I didn't get all the stuff that you got, you know what I'm saying? No, no. That's cool, though.

That's cool. We ended up in the same place, and that's why I don't matter how you get there. But I want you to do something for me. Get rid of all that stuff in the background. Like the Stiller stuff over there? No. No, no, no. Look, it's not the Stiller's fault.

They ended up drafting a great player at, what was it, 15 or 16? They drafted Pouncey. They drafted my teammate. You know what I'm saying? Coach Tomlin said if I was there at 16, when they saw me at my pro day, He said, Joe, you're going to be gone too early. I said, okay, coach, I appreciate it. You know what I?

At least I know, you know. If I was there, you'll take me. Boy, listen, y'all, listen, this man starts showing his true colors. You see what I'm saying? I'm showing my true colors because this is who drafted me. Don't let him. Gave me my first opportunity.

What happened when they cut you? Let you go, say, you ain't worth it. You know what? You ain't worth it. They said you can't even help us lose no more. That's when I went right here to the good old Steelers. Coach Tomlin, you, Ben, A.B., Labion, my good man, Cam Hayward, Tyson, Tyson, like, just love there.

So I came, you know what I'm saying, to a great organization, and I enjoyed my time there. And that's why I love Pittsburgh. That's why I love it still. That's why I'm going to be there for the draft. You know what? Be here for the draft doing what? Look, see, that's what happens. I got, like I said, I got drafted.

Hey, you need to tell your face coming in to Pittsburgh and then doing what you go do. What you doing? I'm going to announce the second round draft pick for the Cleveland Browns. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to go out there and announce the draft. In Pittsburgh. You disrespect. See, it's not, no, it's not disrespect.

Chat. The boy, just said this boy out here disrespecting. Ah, I know they're going to... Look, I told my parents, and they said, I know they're going to boo you. I said, God, I know it. I know it. I'm ready. I'm ready.

But it's no, it's all love. It's all love for the fan. Hey, listen, the best thing for you to do is what? When you go up there to introduce whatever the Browns pick, is to wear that helmet you got on. So you can get out of there without getting... any damage. Devo, so you think I'm going to get, no, look, you know what I'm going to do?

I'm going to bring you out there on the side. No, no, no, no, no. Just to make sure if anybody burned there, act crazy. I don't know what happens at the draft. I've never been to the draft. I don't even, I don't even care about the draft. We're going to be at the draft. I give zero.

You're going to be there with me. Explicits about the draft. You're going to be there, though. I'll be there. Okay. So what you're talking, all that talk, and you're going to. be there. But I won't be there when you're there.

People, you're not going to, please. I refuse to go and lower myself to the standard. Lower yourself. Lower yourself. When you announce a draft for the Cleveland Clowns, do you believe that those fans are going to let you walk out of there without hearing it? Best case is you just hear it. What security are you bringing with you?

Because Pittsburgh, we ain't going to protect you. The police in Pittsburgh and protection. Security in Pittsburgh and protect. Call you some Cleveland cops to come down there and protect you. That's what you're going to need. I'm coming. Nonviolent, nonviolent. Nonviolent.

Nonviolent. You speak in violence what you doing? I'm coming down there Martin Luther King style. I don't want no violence. Hey. I'm here. This is NFL draft. You know what they gave him back then, too.

They took them out. That's what I said. That's what I took him up. Hey, that's crazy. Keep that helmet on. Put some Kevlar in there, whatever you go do. Uh-huh. Hey, I'm just saying.

I'm coming in like 50. I'm coming in like 50. But this one's saying, all love. All love is coming from here. I love and respect, I love him respect, I love and respect this bird. They're going to host a great drag. Listen, man. No, Diva.

Listen, listen. This is what I'm trying to tell you. I got drafted by the Cleveland Browns. And I showed love and respect to my Pittsburgh Steelers, Stiller Nation. They embraced your boy. That's why I always say. When I went there, it was so much love. But I got to go.

When I got drafted by them in the NFL, say, yo, Joe, you're going to come out there and pronounce the pick? I say, you know what? I'm going to be out there with Debo doing the Debo. The hell, don't put my name in there with anything. I'm going to be there with my dog. You know what I'm saying? So I mind as well. Hey, keep my name out your mouth.

Hey, come on, man. Keep my name out your mouth when you're talking about them colors over there. When you're talking about the Cleveland clowns. Man, come on, man. You know what, man? Bro. Ohio, we got to stick together deep. Lord, Lord, help me.

You came on here. Oh, my goodness. I told you out every day. I'm in a fight for my life. Lord, Jesus, please. Oh, my. My goodness, he tested me. Why he came on here like this.

Together. Oh. Together. Woo. It's the NFL draft season and I'm feeling a real NFL like. Oh, God. Mm. Mm.

Come on, man. Oh, man. Look here, Joe. What's up, eight? I don't really like you right now. And we got some bad news. I don't even know why I'm saying we. Yeah.

What's the week? Yeah, we do. I got some bad news. No. Us. If you got bad news. Still us. We got some bad news.

Then we got bad news. Okay. So what it looks like is Roger Jones may have suffered a setback with his neck. Uh-huh. I guess he's scheduled to be examined this week to determine whether he would be ready for training camp or the start of the season.

Yep. It's more serious than I thought it was. Dude, I knew it was. You knew. You knew. You told me this earlier. I knew it was serious. You're talking about, you know, you're talking about a cervical, you know, surgery.

And like I said, I said all the way back then, when I found out it was a fusion. Like, I thought it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to get back this season. Yeah. Because, like, it's no real timeline. It's no set timeline. And that's why the Steelers really haven't given the timeline. And when you look at it, like, just any type of, I guess, research, so to speak, you're looking at six to nine months. before he would be cleared to even come back.

And when you say cleared, that means, okay, I'm cleared to go do this or do that. You're talking nine to 12 months, like full, like back to full contact. Yeah. And that's at one level. Like, that's if you had one level fuse. Yeah. We don't know if it's more than one level fuse. The more levels you get fused, the lower your chances of returning.

And the longer it takes to return if you're able, you know, to return. And he had surgery in what? November, December, something like that. Yeah. And now he's at, you know, the start of our, you know, training camp, all that stuff. And that's five, six months. And, you know, I don't know if he's at a situation where he's, you know,

he's trying to push yourself to, you know, show he's healthy because he got a fifth-year option. Yeah. that they have to exercise and make a decision on by May 1st. Yeah. And, you know, if, you know, if I'm going to be, like, honest with it, and if this setback is true and you just had this, and we're not even talking a padded practice,

I just don't, I don't see the benefit of the stillers actually picking up the option. And I know, like, I mean, this is where it gets difficult, you know, for teams and players because you're in a situation where I know, you know, built some type of personal relationship with, you know, distillers or with the player, the players, distillers organization with the player. And that's the issue because now it comes down to what it is. And that's a business. It's a business deal at the end of the day. And the business decision is going to be the one that's most likely going to be made. And you're talking about what?

almost $20 million that you're going to say we're going to sign on May 1 with the possibility that we won't even see you on the field this year. Okay? So I find that hard to

swallow as an owner, as a person in that position to make that, to have to make that, you know, that judgment. And I think that's another big reason why it was never a timeline given. when the Steelers, you know, saw him coming back. Yeah, man, bro, this, it sucks because you spoke on it earlier.

And, you know, once you start talking about that neck and the fusion surgeries and that stuff, and we're playing football, it's a contact sport, you know what I'm saying? He wants to obviously get back as fast as he can. I always bring this thing up because when you start talking about necks and you're talking about spinal and you're talking about not being able to. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind. And now, I've got my own show. So if you're tired of lazy takes, if you want honest conversations, join us each week. Film Never Lies available on all TSN platforms and the IHeartRadio app.

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The walk, like, you know what I'm saying? Those things are kind of attached. Like when we look at like Shay. Chazier, you always see, he wanted to come back. He wanted to play. And them working on their rehab and always having their mental right. So you want your boys to always get back to 100%. So you want to push them as much as you possibly can.

But when we're talking about getting out there and now you're playing that violent sports to where you can hit again in any type of way, it's no, like, you're not protected. You don't know how you're going to get hit. You don't know how that's going to react. You know what I'm saying? So it's hard for us to look at it like because you want. your players to be healthy, you want your dudes to go out there. He's been fighting this whole life to get in this position, to be in this pick where he gets

his fifth year option to be able to go. So set back in surgery, it's super, like, it's legit. It's real life things going on with project that he's going to have to, you know what I'm saying, have those one-on-one conversations with him, his family, like, real talk, because it's a game that we're playing that we love, that he's trying to get the fifth-year option. We're talking about $20 million that the Steelers will be giving this man. You know what I'm saying? worth it if you're healthy, but right now,

we don't know what the situation looks like. So that gets serious when we start talking about the owner's side, the family side, the business side. We know this man, you know what I'm saying? But is he physically going to be able to go out there and play is we're going to be able to give him this $20 million? Like, that's real life situations that they were in. So, like, I'm with you a thousand percent, D.

But we want the best and we always want people to be okay. But when you start talking about fusion surgeries, You start talking about your neck, your spine, like mobility. And we're playing a sport where it's 100% injury. You're going to get hurt when you're out there. So now you're already out there with something, you know what I'm saying? That's very, you know what I'm saying, shaking. I don't know.

You know what I'm saying? So it gets tough. So with the Steelers, I don't know. But that 50 option, it looks like with that setback, you know, we need to look at legitimately getting the offense alignment. You know what I'm saying? Legitimately in the draft knowing like, okay, we had a project, but we might not have him in the future.

So we need to really start making that line, making that a choice on getting another tackle. I honestly think that just in my opinion in knowing, like you're talking about cervical, and like I said, they have more detail. They know if it's one level or two levels, whatever they had. And, you know, especially with a setback here, I don't think this would have so much changed the distillers approach.

I think they were already, looking for offensive linemen. I think this put it higher on their priority list, even before, you know, the season was over with because he had the surgery, like I said, what was it, November, December, something like that. So they knew what it was then. And they still, like I said, originally it was still no timetable.

Even today, I think it was something reported today. They still haven't, you know, given a time table because it's not something you can give a timetable on. It's not a painful person on how they heal and how they're recovering. and then like I said, again, without getting into greater detail of, is it one level, two levels, three levels? Once you know, once you go from one level to two levels, like the times, you know, it's magnified. And the possibilities of a return is lessen. So, you know, Mike McCarthy, I guess he has some comments about the 21st Pist.

I guess that at their pre-draft conference on Monday, Mike McCarthy and general manager, Omar Kahn spoke at length about their process. Forda draft and McCarthy made a notable comment about what he looks for in a slot receiver in particular. We got the sound, listen. Mike, you talked a lot about inside out flex at wide receiver. What does it take for wide receiver to have inside out flex rather than just be a slot guy or just be, you know, specific outside?

Well, I mean, I think, you know, number one, it's just, again, you start with the physical traits, you know, to play inside and outside. I think historically, when you talk about a slot receiver, you know, the first thing you can think about, can the guy run an option around? You know, because that's really what slot receivers were known for. In my experience, I've always looked for the guy that was athletic enough

and had the ability to win outside the numbers. We call it the Audubon, you know, the ability to win out there and then transfer that size and skill set inside because I think there's a huge benefit to that because he is capable to do more and frankly, hopefully be a good option to receiver because that's a big part of playing in the number two and three spot. But, you know, I just never, ever viewed

having a smaller receiver just to run slot plays. I don't play. I don't like to play that way or I don't play that way, frankly. And because our offensive system is built around making a quarterback successful. And when you have to run concepts in a past game dictated on this receiver can do this and this receiver can do that, then you don't have the ability to move.

around them as much. So when you can move players around, now you challenge the defense and you can create more matchups and you keep things simpler for the quarterback. So sorry for the long answer, but that's all I view the slot. I like the answer. You just gave him too much. He gave him too much insight. What you think, Joe? No, I love the answer. I love the answer. It's rather be, you got to be quick than fast. You rather have your dudes. If they're six foot, six one, and they're still quick, that's the biggest thing. If you're a slot receiver, if you can run that option route. If you can change direction, you can put your foot in the ground. That's all that matters. If you're a really big receiver, you got to build the speed, then you're not really a

slot guy. If you're an outside receiver, you can be 6-1, 662, and you can put your foot in the ground and come out of those brakes, a la Devante Adams. He's not a small receiver. He can go outside and dance you up and take you for a fade and run the route tree on you, or he'll go in the slot. Option you up ridiculously because his foot in the ground, his stop and go. is crazy. So I'm loving what he's saying. If you've got a big receiver that's quick and not just build the speed, he can play in the slot and body any of them little nickels,

option routes, any of those safeties. So I'm loving being able to move him around quicker than fast. You got a quick dude that's big, man, move him anywhere. He can play X because he can go out there and handle business with those number one corners because he got size. But then you want to put me in the slot, I'm quicker than these little nickels, and you want to drop down the safe.

any of that. They can get this work. So I'm loving what he's saying, because you said what he's giving him too much, I'm like, that's just letting them know that you don't have to always put your X outside if you got a quick X. If your X is shifty and can put his foot in the ground, you can move that man around and he can get open in a slot, and that's where you can make mismatches against the defense. So he just dropped gems. He gave a little game.

Yeah, he gave a game. That's a good thing if you're like in preparation. But right now we're trying to draft something to hope he's there. So we don't want to give you too much of what we're looking for You just automatically just said Hey, we ain't taking nothing small You know what I'm saying?

We ain't taking nothing small So it ain't a whole bunch of other options When you say I ain't taking nothing small You know you're considering what Anything under six foot to be small So six foot six one six two Something like that So you kind of narrowing it down

To I guess who it is That you may be targeting You know what I'm saying? Look, he said that he look He could do He's still saying that he could do both though. Like if the receiver... He said, I am not getting a small dude.

That is not what I do. It's not. All right. He said, he don't play that way. I don't play that way. I'm not going to play that way. And there's no official. And, you know, again, like I said, it don't... I don't think this changes. Receiver, offensive lineman,

whichever I think is going to be best on the board is, you know, kind of, you know, where I'm assuming that they would go with it just because that's how they've originally function, you know, until recent decade or so. Lineman receiver. Oh, yeah. Facts. What is it?

2153. 2153. Oh, 3153? We can get something good there. Facts. I would definitely go for the linemen first now, considering the look of what's actually going on. And, you know, like I said, you're talking about,

talking about $20 million, almost $19 something, $20 million for a fifth year option. Or especially like if they know, like, yo, he's not going to play this year. Why would I pick up the fifth year when I know who's going to take you or what am I going to end up having to pay if you're able to come back and get healthy through that process? Like, it would be, it would be crazy for me to, as a, you know, the business I've, it to go in and spend that kind of money on a possibility of hoping. It's a timeline, man.

It's the not knowing of the timeline. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. What's up, folks? They said, they said, man, you, you, you, your chin strap, they say your chin strap getting in the way, bro. All right.

So, pull the chin strap away, man. All right, got it. They say they can't hear you, Joe. I got you. I got you. I got you. We locked in. Let's rock. Let's rock. All right. Aaron Rogers

holding the Stiller's captive again. This is what the dude said. No surprise. And it shows up as a big problem. He said, quote, here it is. April 20th. Three days before the draft and the Steelers have no answers from Aaron Rogers and no expectation of getting. them before the draft begins. What's that say? Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. The thing is, the Stilers are allowing themselves to be fooled. This makes sense, considering they've been fooled themselves for years and for what? Another non-losing season, followed by a first round playoff exit, who wants to hang a banner for that? The Stillers have been stuck in a rut

for nearly a decade, and apparently their aim is to remain in that rut. Joe. Debo, you go ahead and pop off. What you think? How do you feel about this? Yo. Talk to me. I guess this is some cat.

Let me see. Let me see. I'm going to talk to him better than. CBS? CBS Sports. I don't even know who the dude name is. What the boy game is. Don't know his name.

Don't care. But I understand what you're saying. Okay. But he's making like the stillers are just sitting there doing nothing. They ain't doing nothing. They haven't evaluated quarterbacks. They haven't looked at any talent in the draft. They just sitting there holding they meeting their hand, you know, doing nothing.

You know what I'm saying? They ain't doing nothing. How many people visited? How many people did they have visit? Quarterbacks, how many quarterbacks did they visit with? Okay, here we're going to throw that out the window. And then I guess they're just telling Will Howard, hey, you just sit here and wait. We got to see what Aaron go do.

Hold yours to. You hold yours to. No. They say, hey, Will, quarterback, one. That's what we knew. He also added that it's been a decade of the Steelers had to run a playoff game to 2016. and they're stuck in the right. He's saying nothing's changed, nothing's going to change.

Less, since he's saying that, let's look at what happened the last time. We lost a playoff game. We just lost a playoff game. Since then, we changed our head coach. We got a whole new staff of coaches at every position. Added to that multiple free. agents, you know, one of the busiest and productive

of three agencies that stillers have had in a long time. Matter of fact, I believe our grade was an A-minus. Our grade was an A-minus. Yes, like we're building a whole team around everything, but the one thing that's missing that gave us the A-minus, which is the quarterback, a young, a young franchise quarterback. And it's funny, though, how people just, like, like throw away Will Howard.

Yeah, came in off a national championship, okay? And in the course of playing through that championship, he elevated his game through the play of that championship. And I'm not saying he went out there. He made all these great throws. He did this. He did that. And he won them in the game.

No, you know what he did? He didn't force throws. What? He took what the difference made him. He avoided turning the ball over. He was efficient. And now, because he got injured in the preseason and didn't, we didn't get to see him, they just threw all that away.

Like, yep, that's it, dang. He could be exactly the quarterback that we need. And I'll say it again, as I said it before, just as Ben, stepped in when he was a rookie. I hear you. And the quarterback position was the only thing left. The team was around, it was built around, and all we needed was somebody. to come in there and be able to be efficient. Yes.

17, 15 passes game is all being did. Was supported by a great run, right. And he wanted to say they're holding this hostage. I don't think I don't, I don't see the holding hostage. You know what? If I want to say something, I'm going to say, more like a more like, more like, more like a, more like a, more like a, more like a, more like a, more like a, what you call a Mexican standoff. Yeah. Ain't nobody, ain't nobody got their pistol out.

everybody pistol under the table. Okay. Everybody holding their gun under the table. Everything good to you hear click. This is, this, Devo, I agree with everything you're saying, but this is why I kind of hear what he's saying. From the outside looking in, if you were just a Steelers fan and looking at it, and everything that they're saying is

they're expecting to get some asses from A-Rod, and then when you hear it up, and it looks like you're waiting on them. It looks like you're waiting on them. It looks like you're waiting on the communication. You're expecting something and you're not getting it. It's looking like, oh, yeah, I expect this and da-da-da. But end of the day, A-Rod, he did it before.

Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice. You know what I'm saying? Like, he did it before last year, waited until July. A-Rod's going to do what he wants to do. Us speaking and saying or answering even about what we think he's going to do is what puts us in a position that makes us look like we're waiting on him. We don't know what Eric Rogers. is going to do what we expect and what we will hope

and what we would think and what we will want from him is not in the realm of what he's thinking. So we got to kind of move like during this draft. If we do want to get a quarterback and that's the whole thing when Mike McCarthy does, if they see somebody that they like, get them. It's not depending on. As he said, the right person is there at the right time. A thousand percent.

It could be a quarterback. If that is that quarterback, it will be a quarterback drafted in the later rounds, which will fill out what we would not necessarily need, but to go into a preseason, you need three quarterbacks. Yes. So we're still saying at the same time, we can draft one, like you said, we're doing our due diligence. We are studying all of the quarterbacks.

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We don't have to just, we don't like Ty at 21. If he's already going to be gone, we're looking at other quarterbacks that could be in later round draft picks that we could pick so we can have him on the squad. We like Will. If Will is still there, we're still going to believe in them. We're going to put an offense around them. We're going to build a complete team. Do you know what I'm saying?

Like every time we're saying about Ben coming to the. to this situation where he didn't have to be a pro bowl player. All you got to do is do your part. You know what I'm saying? Don't mess it up. Don't be out here throwing, errant throws. Running, running, running. Play action, he's open.

Hit the open man. You know what I'm saying? Arod last year, it was a lot of dink and dunk. I'm not going to lie. It was the 27th, like, the only person that threw for shorter, like, yard attempts was to her. So we weren't setting the world on fire in any stretch of the imagination. So if our offense, we had our run game right, we do get Will, and now we have Pitman and D.K., and we do have our other offensive weapons, we start throwing the ball a little more downfield because the safeties are coming up.

Will makes those plays. We get those one-on-one. D.K. catches those opportunities. Pittman catches those passes. You know what I'm saying? So defense plays better. We got another corner. So I'm with you with.

We got some interior line. We got some players. You got a team. You got a whole team going in there where. everybody has to play together, our special teams, everything works for the good. We had Duck Hodges as our quarterback, and we won games because everything works for the good.

When you got a good team around you, you don't have to go out there and go too crazy. So when we had Will, I think, just believing in him, giving him a shot, giving him a chance, wearing him, A-Rod, if he's going to float to his own boat. If A-Rod going to come, A-Roy's going to come. If he's not, I'm ready for Will because he sat behind A-Rod last year.

You were saying you want him to do the same thing this year? We got a better offense. We have more weapons. So I think A-Rop might look better this year, too. But still, I mean, we don't have to wait. We don't know. The big thing is he's not holding a hostage. He's not holding a hostage.

We're not waiting on him. So whatever your name is, I don't know who it was. You probably ain't even old enough to be like my uncle. Well, maybe you could be. but you're probably young enough to be my son. You're a long time, whatever it may be. Young, young whippersnapper. Old whippersnapper.

Old fool, young whippersnapper. Whatever you want to call it. I ain't listening to what you're saying. You ain't got enough insight. I got molding you. Uh-huh. Kick rocks. Okay?

That's what I'm going to tell you. Now, this is the issue. If they go, Stillers, and pick up a quarterback in the first, all that stuff, that McCarthy is saying, all the stuff the still has been saying, all the stuff the players been saying, you are now feeding me lip service because you went and got a quarterback at one, and you're telling me that he will, has a fair chance of competing against this dude after you just said how much confidence you had in him.

And McCarthy said itself, if he was drafting last year, he wouldn't have been there in the fifth round. So, again, I don't see it being Todd Simpson at all. I think if it's anybody's later and you know who I think it is or who it may be. And Ty Simpson said he turned down $6.5 million to transfer to Miami and just and declare it for the draft. He said the offer, the last offer was one I had to consider. It would have made me the highest, it would have made me the highest paid player in college.

Without hesitation, I wanted to play professional football. Joe, this is a good decision? What do you think? Did he make a good decision there? It depends. Hmm? So, no.

So, long story, he could, what is his long-term goals? What is his long-term goals? Does he want to be Carson? Does he think that he's going to be a starting professional quarterback? Highest rank. So look, the draft is slotted. He goes back to college.

He makes six and a half this year. And then does he plan to play another year in college or does he plan to go to the NFL? My whole thing is, it's long-term goals. If he goes to the NFL, right now he's projected to go, what, first round or second round? First and second round. If he goes in the first round, if he goes to the last pick, if he goes to 30-second pick, He will be, he assigned for, what is it, $4 million a year. If he goes, if he goes, so it would be four years for, well, no, three and a half,

$3.5 million a year, $13,000, $13,000, $13,000. The NFL, the professional quarterbacks are making minimum, Debo, the starting quarterbacks are $30 million a year. The highest pay to make. What is he going to make this year? This year, he makes six and a half. if he went back to college. This year, if he got drunk,

he would make, if he got, if he gets picked the 30 second pick. If he gets picked the 30 second pick, he makes like three and a half mill. Again, me, personally. Yes.

I would have to sit back and take a real long look at this. It's definitely a look. You definitely are making a look. It's definitely a hesitation. Now, there was no reputation. I want to go play professional football.

I'm a young, I'm a young man. Okay. I'm 20. What is he? 21, 22. 21, 22. He played, yes.

Okay. Now, this is where if it's me and it's my son, I say, A, let's sit down and talk about this. This is a business.

And you're in the business of making as much money as you can. This is where you let your emotions sit the hell down because he is emotionally driven to want to go to do that thing he's wanted to do since he was a kid and that's to be an NFL quarterback.

You could do that next year too after you make this six and a half at Miami because you ain't going to make that this year in the pro and next year you could come in and possibly be the number one pick Next year, you can come in and make your damn leg. You could. And you get insurance behind that for a career-ending injury. It's a whole lot of insurance stuff out there now, Joe, that will give you 30, 40, 50 million or more depending on what you're willing to pay for the insurance policy.

Okay. Okay, say if he doesn't get hurt. Say if he just. Right. You're saying worst-case scenario. Okay, so worst-case scenario. Like Carson's back. Let's do like that.

Let's do like that. Worst case in right now, he gets hurt. He's done. And he got what? $3 million? So we go on worst case scenarios. The best case of the worst case is he still go and get six and be done forever versus getting three and being done forever, right?

But these signs of- Business. We're talking business. So best-case scenarios, we're talking best-case scenarios. Business, you go and get to six and a half because you know you're not about to get that right now. and then you come back and you get it after next year

it's business, insurance policy, all the other stuff. We put a business move, man. Okay, I like it. I'm a son. Listen, if my son is so fortunate to be able to get drafted or whatever that may be, I don't care.

Listen, I'm going to sit down there and it's a no-brainer. We're in the business because, again, look at Broader of Jones right now. it's going to be a business decision, mate. It's going to be a business decision, mate. You need to make business decisions. Is it think Carson Beck, if you go back, it could work both ways.

You could go back, do that. And then if he thinks that he could go make, be a higher first round pick, it's going to be number one overall. Then you can go get that. I'm just looking at the, I feel you, Dibo. If we're saying best case, best case, best case on everything.

Best case scenario is he goes. top 10 though and he signs if he goes top 10 he can sign for 33 million and that's four years and you're saying he's going top 10 this year what you're willing to bet on that look this one i'm saying it's a possibility the way that they're talking about how he could worst case he goes 12 if he goes 32nd or if he goes 32nd pick he signs a four year he signs a four year with a fifth year option and it's going to be a minimum of 13 okay but what is he making that first year you could go to Miami right now but it's fully guaranteed though it's fully guaranteed and you're going to be in the league for four years, you're going to get that whole 13 when you sign that rookie deal.

That's fully guaranteed if you're a first rounder. Okay. So it's going to get the whole thing. It's basically. Don't forget. Florida got no tax. I understand. So six and a half million no tax.

But if you're going to get 12, it's, you're 12 to go play in the league. And at the same time. I understand what you're saying, Joe. But you're talking best case scenarios. If we're talking best case scenarios, you go, you get to six and a half. You come out first round, first pick. And you get $150, $30, $30, $50 billion. Why would we not

Or you go back Or you go back Devo Or you go back Like Carson Beck went back And you're going fourth round Okay Carson Beck went back

He can still go back He can still go back And he can still go back And he goes fourth round Because you don't You have to go perform Carson Beck went back to Miami expecting it to be all good

He's going to be a first round Pick now Go top 10 He's going third or fourth round He's going to sign For a million dollars For four years Okay

So you're saying And he shouldn't bet on doing good, he should have just take what he got and just run with it. I'm just saying if your whole goal is end of the day, I feel you. If you want to make six and a half, go get your pay. You're saying. You're saying his goal is just to play NFL football and be a quarterback. And go get that bag.

Go get that big bag. It ain't the bad because the business decision is this. I understand. You're making two different things. Your business decision with you is, okay, bet, I might not be good enough to go get this franchise quarterback money. I'm not saying he's not good enough. I'm saying right now he had a chance to get six and a half.

He's not going to get six and a half this year. He's going, but look, you're not going to get six and a half this year. You're going to get a fully guaranteed contract if you go first round, any pick in the first round. And that's minimum that you're going to get worst case scenario is going to be $13 million within four years. You know what I'm saying? So you're going to get that regardless. That $13 million is coming to you. If you get your fifth year option and you play well, you're going to get more bags.

So I'm looking at it like, my goal is to play football and get paid for it at the highest level. If six and a half is what my number is now, okay, bet for sure. You're good because now if you don't get drafted high next year, you still got that six and a half that you weren't going to get when you went to the league. But I'm like, I'm in the league. Now I'm trying to show myself to be a franchise quarterback knowing I can get my fifth year option, knowing that everything's happening. But this 13, no matter what, I'm being in the league for four years and I'm going to get that bag. So I'm proving myself. The main goal is to be a professional quarterback

because I think I'm a baller. I think I'm worth that. I know I can go get this $60 million a year. I can go get a $300 million contract because that's what they're giving out in the league. So you're saying if everything goes great as the decision that he made now. I'm saying he gets six and a half more

if everything goes great staying and coming back. You're saying that. You're saying this. Yes. Yes. Okay. So I think the right. decision would be to go back

if everything goes as you plan it to go. You're saying you think he made the right decision. Right now strike when the iron's hot. You're Ty Simpson. You're still right now projected to be a first round pick. If you go back, you shake it at the fan. And then you could be a projected to be a fourth round pick.

And you're not, and your iron's not hot. You're trying to go hit the league when people are like, oh yeah, they're expecting highly of you. They want you to be a starter. I mean, they're not really expecting too highly of anybody in that's quarterback at this. draft. Let's be honest, it was the weakest draft that they said they had in a while at the position. After Mendoza, everybody's saying, Todd Simpson.

They're making him better than he is, in my opinion. So if he goes back to college, are any of these quarterbacks better than Shador? And Shador went to fifth. Nope. Not in my opinion. Because he was on, because he didn't interview well, because he went in that joint cocky. And they knew how that go.

They just, they did him dirty. I felt like him in war was the same type of player. I mean, whatever you say, man, whatever you say. I say, I say, man, you in the business are making money, get that money right there. And if your thing is you just want to play quarterback in the NFL, that's your dream. Go ahead and do what you just did. But for me, we're in the business to make money. Joe, again, what did you say, Joe?

You said, hey, give me the money I got now versus taking away $50 million for a Super Bowl. You're in the business of making money. Me personally, I'd give up half to keep what I got. But that's me, personal decision. You just said that you would have got the six and a half, though. Me? At college, six and a half all day. Because I don't know.

I don't know what I'm going to do over here in the pro. I don't even know who's going to pick me up. Am I going to be a great player like Joe Hayden that's going to be at Cleveland with a trash team and never come away with a ring? Are you going to just I got money? You're going to look right now That's what you're saying You're going to take the six and a half

You don't believe in yourself I'm going to take the six and a half I believe in myself so much that I'm going to get this six and a half And still come back next year And be the one pick Not the 10th All right

Yep I mean you know I mean it is what it is Joe man Yeah to look To each of song You'd be six and a half up on me And then I just be ready to get

I just be one year earlier To my $60 million a year contract. Yeah, but then you ain't got as much cap room and the cap is going up. I'm going to come back and hit it even harder, Joe. Oh, man. Yeah.

You see, Joe, see how the wheels are spinning, when you start talking about the money, I start speaking, didn't you? Whatever you say. You know, hey, listen. Listen, baby. No, no, no. Hey.

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