Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Deebo reacts to Pacman calling him out + Rodgers decision soon? Myles Garrett staying?

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Myles Garrett and the Cleveland Browns agreeing to a contract restructuring, reports that the Pittsburgh Steelers expect a decision on Aaron Rodgers' future by the NFL Draft, Cleveland Browns GM Andrew Berry discussing the possibility of drafting Ty Simpson, and much more!  Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Is TJ Watt overpaid?10:52 - Aaron Rodgers decision soon?19:02 - Pacman Jones calls out Deebo30:13 - Myles Garrett agrees to contract modification 35:03 - Browns eyeing Ty Simpson?42:40 - 49ers to improve facilities   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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lineup. Prize picks. It's good to be right. Joe. What's up, my brother? How you doing? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. I'm doing good day. Had a great weekend. Palm Sunday. You know what I'm saying? God is good. He is always here. Blessed. Blessed to be here with you, my good brother. Yes. No question about it, baby. No question about it. Look here, man. Bleacher report day over there tripping, man. Wow. They're saying T. T.J. is the Steelers, you know, most overpaid player. The future report says he has an incredible career, but watch three-year, $123 million contract, makes him the third highest-played defender in the league. His sack numbers have plummeted it in back-to-back campaigns, entering into age 32 season. Well, he's 32 this season. Eight-time pro bowler.

Yes. It's not even close to being worth that kind of money these days. who Joe, they trip me. Do you agree or disagree? I don't agree. I don't agree at all. But this is the thing, Debo. When you're the highest-paid player, you know how people are.

Actions, they need to see production. Once you start getting that second contract, that third contract, they don't care about any of the stuff that you've done before. Any of those previous years, that's irrelevant to the fan or to the player to the people when they're looking at them playing. They see TJ. they see $123 million that distillers are paying, and they're looking at that's what we need.

We need that production every single year, every single season, every single snap. This year, he was hurt. You know what I'm saying? Like, he got his lung punctured. When TJ's out there, he's, like, it's not like it was a, like an ankle or soft tissue. He had his lung punctured, and it was a situation that went down, and I think if he was out there, he would have still been bawling. He hasn't showed any signs of, like,

slowing down. TJ is TJ. When he's out there, he performs, he not only with sacks, with interceptions, with force fumbles, with fumble recoveries. He's not just out there, just, you know what I'm saying, making sacks. He's creating turnovers. He's getting the ball out. He's doing that. So from the fans perspective, when you look at it and you see $40 million, I know that's a big number like that, but that's what the going rate is. When you have a TJWy on your team that produces like that sucks. Like last year, it wasn't good. But having him plan, I'm expecting him to be the same T.J. Watt.

And he's expecting themselves to be T.J. Watt. So honestly, coming up on it, he does have to produce. He does. We need T.J. Y. out there in the majority of the games, like, hopefully no punctured lung. You know what I'm saying? Like out there just by his own will out there to just ball do what he got to do. So I don't think T.J. Y is overpaid. I think that T.J. Y.

is getting what he's deserved. He came in. It's back pay. It's what he was doing for us. TJ Y has 115 career sacks, nine picks, 36 force fumbles, and 14,

and 14 fumble recoveries. Like he's with Miles Garrett, 125 career sacks, zero picks, 23 force fumbles, and six fumble recoveries. So it's like you have what, like, statistically you might not,

he doesn't look like Miles Garrett, but the numbers are the numbers. You get that production when you have T.J. Y. on the field. You have Miles Garrett, Garrett type numbers. So I'm expecting him to be out there, a leader on the team.

I don't want him to go anywhere. But that's why, like, as a fan, they're looking at it like, dude, he's getting that bag. So we need him to be performing like that or we can move on. What do you think? If you're going purely by the numbers and him being what they say, the third highest paid defender in the league and having the numbers he's. had over the last two years, yes, I'll say it don't correlate with the money. But you're, you're not looking at the things that don't count on the goal sheet and categories that don't

really show up as, you know, stats. And that's him taking up to sometimes three players, you know, every play that are assigned to him. So he's working through double teams. And as you said, it's only one person in the league that gets doubled more than him. And that's Miles Garrett. T.J. is number two. add that with him constantly being chipped. Like, come on. It's not always about the numbers. And when you do that and you got a guy that is taking two and three,

you're giving your other players the opportunity to have the one-on-one matchups where every man, whoop a man. You get those opportunities. And when you look at him, even right now, as a top three edge rusher who is, you know, getting paid the money that he's getting paid. For me, I think he's worth it. Because when you look, when they don't have him, when we don't have T.J.

What we at? 10, 15% win percentage. The sack rate is bottom third. Points allow jump from 18 to 24 to 27. Turnovers plummet. When T.J. is there. It's 60 to 75%. We got a chance of winning.

When he's there, sack rate is top five. points 18 to 20 force fumbles top 10 so that is things that you you don't see on the record you don't see in the numbers but that indicates that yo when he's out

there other guys are getting more opportunities thousand percent out there they don't understand that concept because in the last two years did say his production that slipped he went his last last two years ago was 11 and a half sacks and then last season was seven, seven sacks with two picks. But I'm like, okay, I understand that. That's still 18

sacks in the last two years. It may be a little dip, but now, T.J., I'm thinking him in 16 games, he's went, he started off rookie season, seven sacks, then 13, then 14 and a half, then 15. Then we go 22, five, okay? Then we go five and a half, something happened with injuries, whatever. Next season after that, 19. And then two years ago, 11 and a half, then last season, and seven. I'm just, that's a lot of sacks. That's a lot of production. And that's T.J. And I'm thinking him coming back now making sense, him knowing two, I'm making 40 a year. I don't think T.J. likes these numbers. He wants to be around that 15, 16. He's 19. You know what saying? He had 19. He had 22 and a half sacks before. So I think he can still get to those big

numbers. And I think he wants to get to those big numbers. And I think just his overall production, his through the totality, he has the benefit of the doubt that I believe like, okay, Last year, aspiration, you got hitting the lung, come back this season, fully rested, ready to go, and show him what you got. So, I mean, I think TJ is definitely going to ball out and prove it to everybody. But it's just the stuff that you said, too, having him out there being chipped, you know what I'm saying? Open it and freeing up other people, that's something that you can't measure. This dude, up to now, he's being chipped almost double the percentage of the time he was getting chipped two years ago. He was getting doubled two years ago.

And you know when you don't have that pressure, you're giving your DBs, they got to cover longer. So the defense is, when he's not out there, the defense, the DBs, they got to cover longer. Like, you're not sitting out there talking about, okay, one, two, three. Now you're like, oh, shit, one, two, three, four, four, five. Oh, man, what's going on? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So for them to go and say, you know, he's, no, that doesn't correlate with me because they're looking at just pure

numbers. If you're looking up pure numbers, then that may correlate to you, but if you know the game and you understand what's really going on and how he affects the game outside of the numbers, it's just false. It's false, man. And Art, Art said that, you know, he's expecting Aaron Rogers to answer before the draft. He said, I still expect that. I expect we'll get an answer before the draft. When I talked to him and Omar talked to him. him. He told us he was going to take a, he wasn't going to take as long this year as he did last year to make a decision. I'm not 100% sure what that means, but I'm expecting something before the draft. Joe. Yo, I don't think they understand, Joe. I don't think. Listen, I do not

listen, the still is not going to give you a decision until you give this man numbers, okay? Because He's not coming back for what he came back for last year, period. I believe he'll retire before he come back for what he came back for last year. He just said, what, what, what was it? Hell, I had said weeks ago, like, when he was on a Pat McAfee show and he said, well, they have not gave me an offer or a deal yet. So until he gets something sitting in front of him, he's going to sit there and wait. Yeah.

Colin Cord, he just said on Friday, he was like, quote, I don't think. He said, I think Aaron Rogers, I think Aaron Rogers did an absolutely, absolutely out, absolutely outplayed his contract, sorry. And then he said, on top of that, Aaron making $32 million is reasonable, dude. Like, and when you look at it, your mere tier guys, they look, what, 20 to 30? And then everybody else that's considered good is 30 and up. And then you got your 40 plus that are, you know, excellent, you know, guys like that. like he saved our ass last year dude like he kind of you know you kind of owe the man some back pay

you know so if the stillers if the stillers want a decision before the draft they're going to have to give him numbers before the draft otherwise why would he do anything else than just sit back there the man done made over 380 million in his career dude you're talking about another 100 plus million in endorsement so he's not hurting for money man until y'all give him an offer he ain't coming back he ain't even thinking about doing nothing like that. Tell you what you do. Just go there and get a man and say, hey, 30. Just go 30 and see where it goes from there.

If y'all really want him back, because obviously you must want him back. You're sitting there and, you know, we're waiting on him. So I'm a little confused. So they want the, the Steelers want him to say that he's coming back just without, without it. And then we didn't get to talking about the deal. Yeah.

That's what I'm assuming. I'm not saying, but that, That's what it sounds like, because he said on a Pat Mackey, he said that, like, yo, I haven't got an offer yet. I haven't had anything to look at. He hasn't made a decision because he doesn't have a decision to make yet because if they come with 10, his decision or be made. I'm pretty sure. Okay. That's what you're saying.

Okay. Well, if that's making sense, well, then the still is need to go ahead and throw that offer out before the draft that they want to get an answer. Because if he's just, like you said, I'm with you a thousand percent. Because I didn't know the situation like that. If you don't have an offer. If he was on here talking about it two, three weeks ago. But I didn't know that they didn't offer him anything. They just want him to say, yeah, I'm coming back and now we can get to negotiate.

They want him to say, yes, I want to play. So they're hoping that his desire to want to play will get him to take a friendly deal. Friendly deal. But like he's dude, he saved us last year. We're not sitting nowhere close to 500 if he's not playing last year. No, I'm with you. You're right. He definitely outplayed the contract that he signed.

Like, yo, it's some back pay. And right now, the average is about 30. That's crazy. I don't. Are you paying them? What are you paying A-Rod? I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies.

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Me personally, I'm just going to say, you know what, it's going to be one more year. Let's just go ahead and rumble what we got right now. And we sink or swim. And from there, if we need to get something next year, then we get it. But if I'm going to say, you know what, I feel like Aaron can be that the quarterback that can put us to where we're fighting for a championship, then yes, here. Hey, 30, let's talk. Where are we at? What do you think?

I think if they're really trying to make it happen, Air Rod did honestly say the squad. He was, he didn't do, he didn't do bad. I don't know. The 30 is the crazy part though, because I was thinking more, he definitely outpaid his contract when he came in for the 10, 12, whatever it was. It's going on McCarthy now.

I'm like, do you, is it one? Because we're building the office. We're building the team, building the line. Do we need that 34? If they think that that's going to be the. reason. Arod, as the quarterback, we got the running back, we got the receivers, we're bringing in the corners and we're getting the safeties.

They have a solid team. If McCarthy thinks, all I bet. A, Rod, with this squad that we got right now, we can run it for the 30. Take the 30. That's like, that's, it's a no-brainer, for sure. So you offer the 30 and see where we go? If, yes, I mean, yes, yes.

Because right now, it's 30, or it's 30 or it's 30 or Will Howard. It's 30 or Will Howard. Right. Because, because it's like, you would have another additional funds to bring more players, bring more alignment. That money is helping out the team with what build to help out Will Howard. Do you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, if A-Rod can do it with the 30 and we like what we got,

you know what I'm saying? We're bringing in our draft picks and make it happen. We could build this team with A-Rod and compete. And that's what McCarthy thinks, smooth. If he thinks that 30 can help Will Howard, and if he don't do it, then we know we need a quarterback for sure, like for a future. But we still got the squad. We're still building people.

We're still getting nice players. everywhere. So when we do get that quarterback next season, you know what I'm saying? Then we'll be good. So it's either A-Rod for the 30 or we rocking with will to bring more pieces to get the team right with that extra 30. You know what I'm saying? But I'm thinking whatever, whichever one McCarthy thinks. But with me, I would rock with the, I would rock with the A-Rod then because he's guaranteed it's a Hall of Famer. He did what he did for us last year. We're getting better pieces. Everybody's to not perform. We got T.J. He did healthy. We got Dean. Porter Jr.

Safeties, you know what I won't rock out with it. Interior D. lineman. Interior D. Lines. You know what I'm saying? Queen, hungry. You're like, man, you all got me messed up. Like, I deserve it. I'm still young.

I'm a nice linebacker. So, you know, her bit, still got high sniff. Still got her. I thought my GM hat on, though. And I'm like, hey, GM owner, I ain't talking about a rebuild. I want to win it. Yeah, no, for sure. I got to go ahead and throw him at least.

Hey, hey, hey, we're thinking 30 for the year. Okay, no. It makes sense. It makes sense. Because look, when you think about when we start talking about the 30, you can't be looking at the 30. Like, people are making 60. You know what I'm saying? Two are talking about a little?

They were making 50. Like, A-Rod at the 30 ball. Like, you know what I'm saying? Sam Donald, he signed his extension at 35 a year. That was cool. Like, okay, 30 isn't crazy when you really sum it all up. Like, we're going to get a veteran quarterback that's going to come hold down the ship. We know what we got.

It's A-Rod. All right. Okay, Rob, rock out. No question, bro. You got me there, Debo. You got me there. Yeah, man. Like, sit back and just look at it. Like, yo, I mean, I think we almost got like, what, maybe like $27 million in cap room right now.

We may have to figure out something. We can move people's stuff into guarantee money. You know how that stuff go. No, three, three, four million. Come on. Come on. We can find some way to do something. Mm-hmm.

That ain't going to be hard to do. No, we could finagle. Oman know how to move them numbers around. Was the money man for so long? He knows how to, yeah. Listen, man. And that's why he's getting these signs, getting these great deals, making the money long, making the extend out long. You understand what I'm saying?

Look here, man. This man, Pac-Man, has something to say about us recruiting bro. See? Listen, listen to it, man. James Harrison had a comment talking about, you've been talking to Joe Brod to go to Pittsburgh, this shitty-ass state. We're orange and black, not yellow and black. Our roads do not have big-ass potholes in them when you drop. driving around. You could ride on 22s and 20 foes in Cincinnati. But he had the nerve to come out and say that he had to talk to Joe Burrow. I talked to Joe Burrow. Ain't no way in the hell. Joey's Ohio boy. We do not want to go to Pittsburgh. And I know what you're sitting over there grinning and laughing about group. Because you play with this shitty-ass organization that had all else on this goddamn report card. It seems like it would be a downgrade to anybody that's leaving Cincinnati to go to goddamn Pittsburgh.

I'm just saying this shit got to stop. It's got to stop right now. And I called James and I told me, hey, stop tempering without fucking players too. Hey, tell me this, though. Then why is Debo saying that? Is he just making stuff up out of thin air? I don't know what Debo on.

I think he had to smoke the cigars. You know, he'd be chewing of cigars. Maybe he had to live too much weight and just came up with this ironic idea about Joe Burrow going to fucking Pittsburgh. This is, it's ridiculous. Well, listen, still a lot of questions around the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback position heading into... Well, fine, you want. Don't fuck with ours.

Okay. Well, listen, if the money's right or if Mr. Brown gets something in return. No, no, no, the money right. The money is right. Joe Burroughs getting paid 50 a year. Well, y'all ain't got the money in the pill. Joe. No, Debo, that's you.

What's up? That me. That's you. Joe. That's you. Hey, look here, man. Yes. Pac-Man called me, okay?

Okay. We had a conversation about Joe Burrell, and let's just say it was... Was it productive? Ah, that's the word I was looking for. It was a productive conversation. There we go. That's what I needed to know. It was very...

I think it was productive. Okay. I think it was productive. So, obviously, he started off by threatening me with... tamper, you know, with the tampering thing. But that don't work because I ain't employed by the stills. You are not? We had to throw that out the window.

Now, I understand. Ohio boy. I'm Ohio boy myself, Joe. A.K. Routy, Routy, Westside, Sunday County, Akron, Ohio, for y'all that don't know. Okay? Now, and yes, everybody knows. I don't, if they don't know.

I used to be a Browns fan, okay? Yes. And you did. That was when I was a young boy. And as I became a man, you know, as I became a man, I put away childish things. Wow. I became a stillist fan, Joe. And I was kind of after the browns fought to keep those shitty colors that just happened to be the identical color.

of Cincinnati's. And while I am thankful for the opportunity that Mr. Brown gave me back in 2013 to continue my career. And I showed my appreciation, Joe, by bringing him the AFC North Tidal. Here, let me. Yeah. The AFC North Tidal. I showed him my appreciation. Go work.

Remember that Mr. Brown. I showed that they appreciation by giving it an AFC. SC North title of 2013. Hey, I told you the title travel with me now. And I proved that to you now because in 24, I mean, in 14, y'all went to 22nd as a defense in the NFL. When I was there, he was third in defense. And I ended up coming back and going to Pittsburgh.

I'm retired. And I went to Pittsburgh. And you know what I did? Hold up. Let me serious. What I did in Pittsburgh is when I came back in 14, what I do? I took the North with me. I took.

took the North with me. All right. But. Good word, Dibbe. As I spent time over there in Cincinnati, Joe, I realized something. What you realize, go? It was nothing that I could do to win a championship there. So I say this to Mr. Brown.

You know, and I know. We know what Joe Burrow desired. And that's a chance. Win a championship. Now, I tell you, and I tell you this. I much rather pay that Joe Burrow 50, 55, 60. Then the age, then the, then you know, then they, I'm all in for that over, over anything. No question.

Hey. Oh. And, hey, and, and listen. Now, we know that's not going to. have with Joe Burrell, Cincinnati. And if you really care about it, you give him a chance. Okay? At truly, a truly legendary career with a truly legendary organization.

Hey, Mr. Brown, and don't you worry about the none, we're going to make it worth it for you. You hear me? You're going to make it worth it for it. I mean, not we. I'll say to stillers. Yeah, you can't be in cahoots. Distillers going to make it work for you, Mr. Brown. Mm-hmm.

But, listen, Mr. Brown, sir, you got to listen to the voice of reason. That's me. He's not going, I hope, I pray. Listen, listen. You know, I'm with you. I'm with you. It's all right there, the show. I'm burrow.

Listen, I'm, you know what? I'm going to call him Mr. Jones now, because even though we are, we are. friends, that's a good brother. Mr. Adam Jones. That's a good man. But my brother, Joe Burrow, me and him, we go sit on the down.

Puffman 1 in a nice cigar or two. And we'll figure out. And it's not tampering, D.bo, because you're not employed by the stillers. You're not tampering. I ain't employed by the stillers. Because I know. You on your free will. Joe, you're on your free will right now. Joe is missing, wearing that gold and purple from LSU and winning championships.

What's the next best thing, Joe? Black and gold. Black and gold and winning the Lombardous, baby. You know it. No, see, we... You know it, Joe? Right now, right now we're recruiting. Right now, I'm on my still-in-law.

Right now, I'm not employed by the still-lis, but I'm on my Steelers vibe right now. Yes, sir, yes, sir. I'm with you right now. Mr. Jones, Pac-Man, Lixon's here. We don't care nothing about what you're talking about, bro. Yeah. Y'all getting scared over there. You getting scared?

You up there trying to call and all that. You up there talking to people. I'm on three-way. I'm listening to what you're saying now. I'm just sitting there. They're like listening to what he's saying. I hear nervousness in his voice. Chad, Chatt, Ochosenko.

Chad Johnson. We ain't doing this, that blue-bubes-up. Shut your damn mouth. Let that man do what he's supposed to do. So put the rings in the screen, Debo. I ain't go a lot of, the rings look at five. Rings looking on point. That don't see.

Rings looking on point. I can't even like to. I don't see. I don't want to lie to you, Debo. Whenever you pull out the rings sometimes, I'd be sitting in like this. Damn, them just look kind of sweet. Yes, sir.

Those are the sweet. Hey. Hey, Hey, Joe. You go row. Burrow. Hey, listen. Don't you worry nothing about what they're saying.

All is forgiven. All can be forgiven. Everything. But if you want to have a legendary career, just not have legendary numbers. You want to have something to show for it. To show for it? You know where to go.

You know where to go. Joe, Joe, Joe, tell him, Joe. See, look, Debo, I'm laying you for the recruiting. I already know what it is. You know how I feel about it. You already know. I'm accepting Joe Burrow, open arms. That would be unbelievable.

And you know what time it is. We got the defense. We're getting the receivers. I mean, I don't want to have to give it my. You know. You know what it is, Joe. They're having trouble protecting you over there, Joe. They want to talk.

They want you to go in there and it has shootouts. You threw it out. They don't want to give you no defense. They don't want to get you nobody to try and stop putting points in. Definitely got you. You go out there with, you go out there with the stillers, and you keep up, you throwing up 35 points a game. Might go undefeat it.

Might go undefeed it. What? Joe, Burr, that's what I'm telling you. 35. Oh my. That's what I'm good. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

We just got that comfortable. Talk about Tuesday. He said he wasn't even happy. He said he wasn't even happy playing the game. He said he had to figure out what was going on, how to get his joy back Me is season last year. Open on. I don't want you to feel that way, Joe.

I want your happiness back. I want you joy. Yep. I want you love the game. I want you to love the game. I would not. I got there to Pittsburgh. I loved the game.

I ain't going to lie to you. I did. Talk to him. Talk to him, Joe. All you got to do is do your one-eleven. Just do your part, and you're going to be good. Just do your part. You do your job at a high level.

How to feel, Joe. It felt good. You know. Well, God, first, first, 2017, just was amazing. Who! Playoffs and all. Mm. Lord. Hey, Joe.

Joe. Joe. Joe. Tell him how dark it is when you're in Ohio. Tell him how dark that cloud is over you. When you get into week, when you get in the week 10, Joe. Stop. Hey, you know.

Tell the truth and shame the devil. All right. You know, yeah. I could tell Joe Burrow, being mathematically eliminated, Joe. That's not a good feeling. I know that. Hey. That hit you eye.

Hey. We ain't never been that. I'm telling you. That's what I'm saying. Always been in the fight. All right. I'm not talking down on my... No more, no more.

There would be no more Brown's down talk. We're talking about the bank. Let's get into the Browns while we're talking about no Browns down talk. Down talk. The boys over there, they reach, they modified the language of Miles Gere's contract. Yes. But, Andrew Barry says that the team will not trade miles.

He says, Miles is a career brown. He is one of the faces of the organization. I think we've been very clear, both past and present, in terms of feelings. I understand all the questions, but I'll be honest. I don't really want to waste a ton more breath on the topic. Joe, Joe, look here, Joe, this is, this is what I have to say about that. He said if we wanted to trade Miles, we wouldn't have needed to make a contract adjustment. Why do you think he made this statement?

Why do you think what was the reason that you would need to do? Why would Miles agree to doing this to kicking his money back up? Like, why, Joe, you tell me, because that's your, that's your GM, Joe. You know why? Because he doesn't want to keep answering the questions. He could trade miles if he wants to. He just don't want to have people keep asking all these questions. Obviously, he did it for a reason.

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and then I just had to make this move. the same way. Why would you even make the change in the language anyway then? Why? What is everybody thinking? You wouldn't change the language. You would just get that man his money

when it's supposed to get his money. Miles wouldn't say, oh yeah, I'm going to let you kick my money back. Would you say, I'm going to let you kick my money back and we're just doing this because, oh, hell, you felt like doing it? I tell the truth. I'm asking you, what would you do, Joe?

What would I do what? Would you do what he did, allowed him to kick your money back for no reason with nothing to gain from it, but other than waiting on your money. He, he gained a little bit. They pushed up, they pushed up some of the, like, it was like $8 million that they pushed up.

They moved it up from like some years back to go up forward. So it was a little bit of scratch his back, a little bit of scratched their back. So why they do all that? Why not just say, hey, I moved some money up for him to scratch back? Why was he scratching this back? What's you talking about, Joe? Scrashing this back for what?

This is what really happened, Debo. Okay? Tell me what happened. The Browns really did it so he can have this from what I told you last week. So he can have time. So he can have time to figure out after the draft if they did want to move miles, giving himself wiggle room, giving himself a little bit more time. But he said it was never, he was never trading miles.

Like he said if they wanted to trade miles, they were trying to stop. He wouldn't need to adjust nothing. He said that was nothing to do it. So he's lying. He's lying. Oh, I would say, I'll, speaking of him lying, I like that because you're asking me, Because look, look, when the team, when they did say, unless until the deal is done, until the paperwork is signed, Dibault.

Like the same way with the Max Crosby, John. Everybody thought the deal was done. Oh, yeah, good faith. In good faith, I say. No. They're just going to tell you something. They ain't got to do nothing. They could be working right behind the closed doors.

You're like, no, my eyes ain't going nowhere. Talking to the Raiders on the phone, talking to anybody on the phone. They're going to talk. They're going to be able to have all options open. They're going to tell us, oh, no, right now he's not going nowhere. He could be willing and dealing right now. It's none of our business. They did see him in conversation with somebody from Philly.

Brother, that's what GMs do. Who else he could be at the gym from Philly at that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So he's just a liar. No, no, no. He's not a liar. He's lying in.

I mean, well. If you lie, you're a liar. Maybe, maybe he's not lying. Maybe he's like, Joe, listen to him. Listen, look, he's not lying. Listen, at that exact moment, my coach told me that he said it in 25 years. No. He become a master bridge builder.

He said, but if you suck cock one time, you're a cock suck for a lot. Debo. My coach told me that. Let me tell you something. If he's not, you know what, he's actually not lying. At that very moment, they probably weren't talking about trading miles while you're asking that question. Right there, at this very moment, no. At this very moment, Miles is on the team.

We're not thinking about trading miles. We're telling the truth right now as the field. You could think your mind, your mind could change in five minutes. Once he leaves, they'll be like, oh, man, you know what? I'm thinking about actually maybe trade a mouse. He could change his mind. Okay. Yeah.

They don't have to. Do you think the GMs are sitting there telling you the truth all the time? When he said he, if he wanted to trade miles, he couldn't have needed to make a contract adjustment. means that he never said he didn't want to trade miles. He just said he wouldn't need to adjust the contract. You said, I could have did it. I could have did it if I want. It ain't always about what you say.

It's about what you don't say. Yes. He could have did it. If you wanted to, you could have traded miles. Okay. Okay. Because right now, your boy, Andrew Barry, he says he'll spend more time with Ty Simpson.

And it's wholly real list. for the Browns to add a young quarterback. He said, our lien would be if we do add someone to the quarterback room, it would be someone who's a younger player most likely. Anyone we bring in at that spot on the roster, our thought is that they're competing. They're competing to play. They have something that we liken their skill set,

and our expectation would be for them to work hard. So what I'm getting from that, Joe, is that he's saying that he believes Ty Simpson is good enough to compete with Shador Sanders and Deshaun Watson for the starting quarterback position. That's what I'm getting. That's because that's what he said in the statement. That's what he said in the statement.

So that's your GM. that's cooking, that you said was cooking a little bit. Like, like, I'm starting to think he might be cooking on the grill at McDonald's right now, Joe. Tell me something. What's going on, Joe? Because I don't know if anybody in the NFL, NFL execs, annulus, commentators that said the man was even, he ain't even the top in the draft choice. Man, in a weak draft class, he ain't even the top quarterback. But ain't no.

Joe, what is he, Joe? What is he? cooking. He cooking at McDonald's. Huh? Tell me what's going on, Joe. What's going on? What's this? Because I can read what he said, and I didn't even got to read in between lines. It ain't by what he didn't say. He's about what he said.

Joe, tell, why are you so quiet, Joe? Come on, fight me. Because I think with this one, I think he might be, it might be a smokescreen, you know, just trying to get other people to other people to look at him higher, other people to look at Ty Simpson higher on their draft board.

They cool or something? Who? Him and Ty Simpson? What? No. What was the point of that? I don't know. Dibo, honestly, honestly, with this one, I don't know.

I don't know what Andrew Barry's talking about, okay? Like, I don't know. I don't know why he would go spend more time with him. He must think that he's that good. So, if he's going to. bring him into the wrong, he thinks that he can compete with your door. What does that tell you about his judgment? His, you tell me, Joe.

It's not, we're not on the same, we're not on the same page. Every time, every, every, every decision that our GM makes, that doesn't mean that I got to sit here and blindly back it. I don't agree. I do not agree. Okay. So with what he's saying right here. But you said he was cooking.

Is he still cooking or is he working at McDonald's in the back grill? just putting the burger on set temperature. It's still early. He didn't draft him yet. We still acting like the Barron's picked the man up in the draft. He asked the man to question. He's going to spend some time with him. Okay, we'll see.

Like, you got, spend some time with time with a lot. You know, don't have a potential, don't even want to look at just to do what, bro? You're going to do your due diligence. Do your homework. I'm not going to be mad at a man for looking at him. If he thinks he's a good quarterback, okay, study him, see what it is. If he drafts him, then we'll have a whole different conversation.

But literally right now, I don't agree. I wouldn't be spending that much time with Ty Simpson if I was Andrew Barry. If I were the GM for the Browns, I would, quarterback's good. We got Deshaun. We got Shador here. We already drafted Dylan last year. We're trying to figure out what's going on. We got three.

We're solid. Ty? No, if I was the GM, but this is Andrew Barry, and that's why I said. This is what he said. I don't agree. I wouldn't be doing it. But he is. So I'm like, can't.

knock it. Hopefully he probably thinks he's good. Like everything he said, he might be throwing a smokescreen. I don't know. Probably not. You said, why? Does he no tie-subs? He probably he doesn't. So it's not a smokescreen. You're correct, Debo. I don't know why he's doing it. I wouldn't. But I guess he likes him. That's the only time I bring out my cigar and rings is for like all that good stuff. But you know, with second best to that and all most damage there is good. What? Browns

in Cincinnati doing and saying stupid shit it's great oh it's great listen we're going to just we're acting like he drafted Ty Simpson up so I'm not going to sit there

and smack at like no I wouldn't have done this but we'll see we still got the draft coming we'll see what he does he still he still I'm still is you drinking no man that's coffee did you spike it something? No, man. I need to. You look like you need a drink. You're stressing me out.

I don't, Joe, I, Joe, listen, you, you was my brother. I do not mean to stress you out. That's what I'm thinking. I didn't stress you out. I can't be in charge of how you react to the simple things that your GM is doing that you said was doing some cooking. And I told you, but look, he's not boiling chicken. He's not boiling chicken. Because Ty Simpson is still a first round pick, though. People still got him going as a first rounder. You want him at Joe? You want him at your team?

You want him in your room? He's not, he's not, he's not bad. I, I, I, I, I, I, I had. Joe, you's the most not question to answer and do whatever, bro. I asked you a simple question, Joe. No, because no, I already said, no, because I like Chador more. I like Shado more. Some other people might like Ty, and I don't think he's a bad quarterback.

He could still be a first round pick. Better, better, better than. better, you like him better than Watson? Maybe he could come in and see what, no, we don't need him over here. That's all I'm saying. There we go. That's all you had to say, man. I don't feel like we don't need a quarterback for the first time.

Say it with your chest. We don't need a quarterback right now. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying it. Poke that thing out, Joe. I lift weight. I lift weights and we don't need a quarterback. Dang.

Everybody's going to do bitch. I'm right, bro. You know, you know, hey, man. You know, you my guy, man. Thank you, brother, man. Brother from another. Those, I got to those. I got some bailies in this coffee.

Got me stressing. Got you stressing, man. Look here, man. After the NFL PA report cards came out, the training staff for the San Francisco 49ers decided to take action. Jim, John Lynch, said that the team dug deeper into the grave. and what they could do to improve things. The club found out that players wanted more one-on-one attention,

which led to them hiring three more physical therapists and investing nine million into hydro areas like cold plunges, pools, which had previously graded low. Joe, yes. The sermon said that right here. He said, this is why the report cards work for organizations that aren't offended by the critique. Just look to improve, brother.

Listen, it's simple. You know why that is? You know what that is, Joe? Why is that? John Lynch is a former player. Yes, he is. He knows that these report cards are real and have credibility. Mm-hmm.

As a responsible GM, he said, hey, let me get this corrected. Let me improve because that makes sense to do it. But common sense ain't common no more. You understand? Yeah. How do you feel about this, Joe? You like this, you love this? I love this.

And that's why I love the report cards, Debo, because they're honest opinions, and they were actually getting things fixed. Because it's like you're not trying to shoot the messenger. You know you're in an organization. And if stuff is bad, it's bad. If it's good, it's good. We don't want to sit there and just give out fake stuff.

It's like, oh, no, food is good. smooth and especially people that played on different teams. You've been in different places before. You've seen other organizations. You know how other people are moving. You're like, okay, you know, this is nice. This is smooth. And just smooth grades.

I love the fact that when teams, when really real things get done, the hot tubs, the cold tubs, we're not asking for like crazy things. We're asking for things that are really going to help us on the field with the production. You guys want us to be, where are your investment. So if you want to take care of the investment, you're investing. into us. You know what I'm saying? Like taking care of our bodies,

doing all of this stuff, make crowd therapies. It's nothing really like out of the ordinary. So I love when the report cards get addressed by the owners because it shows they're trying to take care of their investments. And it's when we, we're not asking for crazy things.

So when they're throwing in nice stuff with the tubs and all that, I just see I love that, that's paying attention and that they're listening to what the players are asking for. So I'm all for it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm 100% for this. You can't go wrong with this. It seems like to me that the NFL is only worried about the optics of, you know, how it looks,

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