Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: James Harrison reacts to Joey Porter Sr's Big Ben comments + Malik Willis to Steelers?

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as the react to Joey Porter Sr. calling out former Pittsbugh Steelers teammate Ben Roethlisberger, reports that the Steelers could target Malik Willis in free agency, Aaron Rodgers being given a eadline by the Steelers, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Joey Porter Sr. on Big Ben13:20 - Joe on his convo with Big Ben22:09 - Steelers Finalize Coaching Staff26:45 - Steelers give Aaron Rodgers a deadline36:00 - Titans bald coaching staff (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We got to notice. It's the 70th episode 70K, you know, and it's a great day. It's a great day, Debo. Proud to be on the show. Brow to be on this good Monday. It's been a long time since we've been popped off. It felt like forever. Didn't it?

Since Tuesday, it had a long time. Yeah, it felt like a minute. So, you know, we got to get into, you know. A lot of this happened. A lot of happen. Yeah, yeah. We got to get into what Joy Porter, Senior said. First, I want to say this, though.

Okay. I want to say, me and Joy have talked at length about this. We have not minced words. If you heard us talk, you heard us conversation. if it was recorded, you would have thought it was on and popping. I hung up on my nigga, all that. Like, yeah, like brothers. Brothers fight.

Brothers fight. Family feud. Now, I'm sure you heard the comments, but for y'all that didn't, here's what he said. Well, he broke the brotherhood. Then seven definitely broke the brotherhood because, like. That's the one I don't understand as much. The shit that seven do that did that we don't talk about. I know.

It's crazy. Like, like, I don't. Anybody should talk, he should never grab a microphone and really talk Stiller Business. Yeah. Because if we talk in Stiller Business, his ass is foul of all foul. Like the shit that he's did is foul of all foul. He's not a good teammate. Won a Super Bowl, Woody.

But the person, he's just not a good teammate. Like, he knows that. Anybody in the Stiller Building knows that. But we protected him. Because I've only won one Super Bowl. and that was my quarterback. So do I love my quarterback? Yeah, but is it a good person?

No. Y'all, they didn't play the part that he said about me. I don't know why y'all didn't. You need to get that in there. But what he said was he basically had said that we told our version of our story in Pittsburgh. Okay. And now when you read in between the lines on that, you would imply that our version means like, you know, it's a lie because people read in between lines.

Would you imply that? If I said that's your version? I mean, no. Everybody has their own version to the story. I don't, you know, I mean, different parts. Okay. So when it comes down to this, that's my version, his version, whatever it may be. This is his version, okay?

He believes Mike Tomlin is a great coach. And the reasons that he gave behind that was that he said, I should be more loyal to him because my name, Debo, I had three, four pro bowls, defensive player to be. I played in two championships. He paid me $50 million, changed my life, Coward cut me three times, and he feels like I took a shot at him and I broke the brotherhood. Okay.

So when you say these things, Joe, it implies that he gave me it, right? Like, he gave me this. First, he didn't give me the name Debo. Brett Kiesel gave me the name Devo, okay? He didn't give me pro-bowls. He didn't make me the only undrafted player to ever win defensive player of the year and get paid $50 million, okay?

Again, implying that it was given to me undeservingly, okay? It wasn't. Cairo cut me three times. Hell, I would have cut me. Did you see my football life? Like, I would have cut me. I earned everything I was given, even the cuts. Now, he says, Mike Tomlin is great.

I say he's a good coach, dude. And here's my reasoning, again, dude, it's not personal, although I do have a personal issue with him. Yes, he got two Superboy appearances. He has a win. He is the only coach in, what, 20 years to go without having a losing season. And as my brother Ryan Clark said, he has done more with less. but he has to also be responsible for acquiring that less, okay?

And I believe that comes because he has missed on his first and second round draft choices over the last 10 years. He has only signed two guys to long-term deals when that time came for renewal. Now, your ones and twos are supposed to be the easiest picks that you get, right? He done missed on 12 or 14 of them, okay? He has done a great job with less talent. Okay, but he has done a far less job with great talent. Since our last playoff win in 2016, in 2017, he had a number one and a number five defense

and was bounced out in the first playoff game by Jacksonville, 42 to 45. 2018, fourth-ranked offense with a six-ranked defense, didn't even make the playoffs. didn't make the playoffs in 2019 with a fifth ranked defense. 2020, y'all lost to the Cleveland Browns with a third ranked defense, 37 to 48. Okay? And the biggest thing for me, you ain't got a coaching tree. The coaching tree is the greatest indicator of your strength in teaching and an ability to develop other coaches under your leadership. and no coach in NFL history that has a tenure this long would be able or has been able to do that without having a tree but him.

Okay. Okay. Now, this is where the personal relationship gets involved with people, okay? You have a relationship and it's a good one. So you can look at the negative things and look past it and you can focus on the positive things. because you have a good relationship with him. Joe, you have guys that say he's a great coach and haven't even had a playoff win under him.

Hell, you're one of those dudes. You say you're a great coach. You didn't have won a playoff game under him. At the same time, you can still be a great coach and your team, you can still underperform. That doesn't mean that the coaching you weren't in the right position. Players didn't make those plays. It weren't like we were ill-prepared.

So I feel like it wasn't that the coach did. We got to make plays on these things. Sometimes it comes on. So for 10 years straight, almost. I'm just saying, for my time when I was there, I thought like, players could have definitely did better. Okay. And something, go ahead.

And something else that he said was that he said, Ben and I broke the brotherhood. First, Mike ain't my brother. They my brothers. Okay. I came back in 2014. It wasn't for him. It was for Brett Kiesel who called me 4 o'clock in the morning.

It was for Ike Taylor who called me fresh out of surgery. Troy Palomaloo, not Mike. Because he had already crossed me at the beginning of that year, bro. But for me, the way Joy and Ben, like we broke the brotherhood, bro, more than we did. You didn't even play under Mike. You won a championship with Ben. You said it yourself. But like, as me and Joy,

talk. And like I said, we talked that man. I hung up on my boy. Joey was like, well, what's real? I said, listen, Joy, I said, it ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun, okay? And right there, Joy has a personal issue with Ben, and he was the rabbit with the gun. He took his shot because he doesn't see Ben as a brother, okay? And me personally, I do not think Ben is a bad teammate, okay, because I have a good relationship with Ben, you know? And, and, and, you And I can say this because I talk to me and like this is not going to be news. No. It's not going to be news now, okay. But seven, seven, seven could be an asshole.

That's facts. Okay. Yes. Okay. And when Ben came in, this man went 13 and 1 as a rookie, okay? Mm-hmm. Starter. The team was 15 and 1.

His second season, he won a Super Bowl. The youngest quarterback to ever do it, 23. Yes. And that's when seven was born, okay? He became the youngest quarterback to ever win a Super Bowl. Hell yeah, that's going to stroke my ego and give me delusions of grandeur. But over time, he has matured and grown up. And you don't value the same things you did at 23 that you do at 30.

Hell, I'm a different person at 47 than I was at 45. And I'm a far, you know, worst person at 40 than I was at 45. So with that being said, man, yes, it's things that you see in the locker room, you heard in the locker room. But it was never something that we had an issue with that we couldn't correct with each other. So the relationship with Ben, you know what I'm saying, is still intact for me. And right now, we are far better, greater friends, brothers now than we ever were in the past. and that continues to grow. Okay?

Yeah. Peezy, that was just a pure out attack on Ben's character. And what I said about Mike was an attack on his coaching, dude. Okay? Two different things. And that's more breaking the brotherhood than what Ben said. Ben said, I think I feel that maybe Tomlin should move on. Like, come on, bro.

That's what he said. I went way harder than that. But he went on it because he obviously has a personal issue with Ben that hasn't been resolved. Yes. So let me get in there. Let me get in here. I actually spoke with both two. I spoke to Big Ben.

And this morning when I was on the phone with him, he was like this, are you in, are you in Debo together? Because he's calling me right now. So I'm like, no, we're not together. We got a show coming up in a minute. So I talk to Ben, have a good relationship with Ben. So first, I'm going to get on. I'm going to get on the Ben subject. Like you said, Debo,

Big Ben has been in the league for a very, very long time. Do you know what I'm saying? So, like you said, when you first come in the league, when you're 21 years old, you're completely different than when you are by the time I got there. I got there when it was 10 years in Ben, and he said at the same time, you grow,

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The connection started to feel off. The behavior started to feel different. This February, get in touch with yourself by listening to Boyceover. That's B-O-W-W. I'm like, I would love to not hate the man. I'm sleeping with. I don't know what that's about. Listen to Boy Sober on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Everybody has different relationships with people. Like you said, Ben can be an asshole. You could bring up if you wanted to certain situations where, you know what I'm saying? He was an asshole. And he knows he was an asshole at certain times. So there's things like that. So when we're saying like breaking the brother, motherhood or bond, my thing is, dudes like you, Joey Porter, that are in the locker room that

play for these teams, we are spending so much time together, you know what I'm saying? Or just in there, in the locker room, in a mean, you know how this person acts. You know what they do. You know what they get, how they act, how they around teammates, what they do in the meeting rooms. So we know them a lot more than everybody else would think that we know them. So when we get done like now with the Steelers, with you guys being out, say when, When Ben said, what Ben said, he feels like Coach T is being a little lenient. I think it's time for him to, his time is up in Pittsburgh. For Joey Porter being there with Ben through that whole time and he feels like protecting.

Like when Ben is in there, nobody really says anything. That was a good, like with distillers. When it's coming out now, when guys are retired and people are bringing up things that happen, there's relationships through this whole time when you spent time with each other that happened. people don't really some people don't like other people some people don't get along some people don't get along but when you do get out and you can start saying stuff like coach tomlin was your coach when joey porter said that you were three-time pro bowler with coach tomlin is that like how does that make you feel like he's trying to feel like like degrade like coach tomlin gave this to you that was your saying so he's saying it's because of tomlin tomlin came in and he headed over all day the good thing tomlin did was he's keep that defensive staff intact. He kept my linebacker coach, who is the person who would work with me day in and day out. He kept Dick LeBow, whose defense is still one of the greatest defenses as long as it's played his way.

Okay. That is what I'm giving the credit to. He's saying, well, without him, that would not have happened. I understand what he's saying. I see his reasoning. But again, we're going to have to agree to this. I disagree. Yeah.

I can respect it. We can respect it. And I talk to PZ2, and like you said, you can say that and you can, that's how you feel. You're correct to feel that way. But the PZy at the same time is when he's saying everything, when you're in, when you're in that locker room and at the same time with what Ben's been through. And when I got to that locker room, Debo, too, it is a people, you get treated a certain type of way. Ben Pouncey, myself, Cam, you know what I'm saying? It is a vets get to move around a certain type of way.

And if you don't like that or if you rubs you the wrong way, then people are like everybody gets treated. You get treated fairly, but you don't get treated the same. And that's just something, that's just the way that it is. So I could even say like literally that's the way things move. So when when Ben speaks on that about leniency with younger dudes that don't really have that, or to be able to. be, no, you're supposed to be working harder.

Like, you don't have that willing to be like, no, we don't practice. What you want to say, this is a lot of self-annointing here. It's a lot of self-enoying. You got it now. That's what I'm saying. You're my one. You're my two. I like you here.

That's what it is. And that's what was going on. But that's what I'm saying where when you're in the league for a long time and when it's vets, when it's you that's doing that, when it's Joey Porter that's doing that at first. And Ben, he's a young dude that's still like, He might be winning championships as a young dude growing, doing things that he would regret, would take back. When I met Ben now, he's been nothing but nice to me because he's matured.

He's married. He has his kids. He's in his faith. Like, that wasn't the same Ben back in 2006. You know what I'm saying? So I give him all the rights. So people getting, when Joey was there back in 2006, when he was going outside, when Ben was probably doing the same things Joey was doing, getting in fights, his stuff was outside. Everybody knew what Joey was doing.

With Ben was doing things, it was tough. Everybody's protecting them. Nobody's going to say nothing on it. So Peezy, at the same time, he can understand, like, we could have been acting like just, like, trying to bash you. There's things that happen in your past in the times that we've been there. We know we have a long relationship. I played with you, and I was a coach, and I saw in the meeting room,

you ain't had to show up for certain practices. But it's love because you're Ben. You know what I'm saying? So there's just things that happen like that that is in the code of like, You're not going to say nothing, but then I can respect with Ben when I come in there and you got vets moving around smooth and then you got younger dudes. It's a little lenient in there where, no, they don't deserve no extra. That's how you can get like cracks.

Little people don't know what's going on because you treating younger dudes that don't deserve to be like vets, like vets. And that's what kind of your locker room loses like, you know what I'm saying, what it's really about. It's about the vests is getting treated like that because they're going to ball. They're not going to miss any assignments. They're going to know exactly what to do. They're going to be in their place.

They got kids. They got family. So they're moving in a certain way. When you're doing that to the younger players, that's not your, that's not your team could be looking, looking weak. So I can see where, well, I think that's with the shot. But then Joey Porter is like, man, that's your coach. Coach Tom has been protecting you, had your back.

Oh, this whole time, you don't be the one to tell him he got to leave and like that stuff. He just wouldn't want, like you putting out family business. When same time, whole time, that whole. That's not putting out family business. Everybody can see that from the streets, bro. You want him to go on this podcast and say something like that. No, no, no, no, no. I'm just telling you, I feel you.

I'm with that. That's why I'm saying, well, what Ben's saying, for me coming from the outside looking in, that's what I would have said. Like, you could see the leniency part. I think that if just a little, like the vets, dudes that don't deserve to be treated as vets being treated like vets, I could say that, that little wigger room was too much. It was too much a little blaze. You got to be on it.

You know what I'm saying? And the dudes like Pouncey deserves the headache because he's going to come. He knows everything you got to do. Off Wednesday practices. These younger dudes, no, all the reps know exactly what you got to do. Extra reps. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't, you haven't put in the time to earn that.

So seeing it that way, that's why I think Van did it. And I think he was right to say that. And I think Joey saying that's a family business, like just Ben, you shouldn't be the one to say that because all the stuff that you've been protected from. but still it's, I mean, like you said, it is what it is. Like, from outside looking at it, if you could see that you think the leniency is what's going on, Ben, he's going to be on this podcast.

I think it, you know, saying it might be the time. It's a little lenient in there. I think we, like I said, I understand what you're saying. But, like, you know, when it comes down to it, I think, again, it's a personal issue. It wasn't about play. And to be honest, like, that was something that happened, what, at the Super Bowl?

and then, you know, they splice and cut it up and send it out. Like, I mean, that's something that could have been just, I think it could have been squashed before it even got, you know, it even got put out. Like, like, especially with, you know, with things going on as they have been going on, like, why even, you know, why even put it out there? But like I said.

The one good thing is too, though, that I like you, like you say, you talk to Peasy. You talk to Ben. I talked to Ben, I talk to Peasy, everybody, you're able to, at the end of the day, too, like, I don't know, Peasy didn't want it to keep going. They said their pieces, you know what I'm saying?

Everybody getting their stuff out. Yeah, but I think that's something. We got each other's numbers. For me, talking to both, now both parties have a full understanding of what the issue is. I will say that, and that's something that could be communicated between them.

I'll leave at where it's at. Just go for the last time I'm going to address this. You know, we go move on. to current coaches and current players and keep it moving from near, Joe. Yes, sir. So what we got now is the largest coaching staff that Distillers have had, maybe in history this said. Uh-huh.

Okay. How do you, Joe, how did you feel about the totality of our coaching staff? And do you like it? You think it's a good thing or bad thing that it's, is more. You can have a lot of good coaches and you can have a lot of bad coaches. I want to have a lot of good coaches.

You can have a lot of people doing the wrong damn thing and it won't matter. So I just want to make sure that we got all of these right people. It's not wrong. I'm glad that we have a lot of coaches now. Honestly, I just need to make sure

that they're on the same page, teaching the same mission, speaking the same language. There's no miscommunications. I need to make sure the coaching staff is on the same vibe because you can't be in the coaching staff and come out of that meeting with you guys as coaches and then try to

divert to the players, the D-line coach, the linebackers coach, and you'd be speaking in different languages. And now we're all not on the same page. So I'm just saying if we go from the top down and we're all speaking the same language, we all the linebackers, the D-line, the safeties, and we're teaching good coaching. Like, we're coaching these dudes up. Eye in the sky, don't lie. You know what I'm saying?

We're really watching the tent. We're really watching the tape. The first step, hand placement. We're to the fundamentals because that's really what gets it done. All this athletic, we're going to get the job done for sure. But everybody knowing these checks, when motions are called, when we're in meetings, meetings aren't quiet. There's nobody just not communication.

When somebody moves, check, check, check, you're always talking. You're communicating. It sounds like we know what's going on. So for me, I like, I'm not mad at a lot of coaches, but I need to make sure we have a lot of people doing the right things, speaking the right languages to the right people. So long as they're on the same page, on the same wavelength, and teaching them and coaching them up the right way, I'm not mad at it because you can now assort. You can divvy things out.

You got people to like, no, we need to cut up. Good thing or bad thing, Joe. What did you say? Good thing or bad thing. I want you to pick one. Good thing. I say good thing. I say good thing.

Now listen, Joe, what did I tell you I was going to do when I became head coach? What did you tell you all? What did you tell you was going to do? I said I was going to be less hands-on head coach that you ever saw in the history. Uh-huh. Okay. Because I was going to personally make sure I got the best people for each position. Okay.

So that could free me up to do more management. Yes. It was trying to micromanage, okay? I love that. I like that. I love that Mike McCarthy is doing this because it shows no ego, okay? I don't have. I don't have a desire to be the smartest person in the room or believe that I'm the smartest person in the room.

And I understand that if I am the smartest person in the room or believe that, I have nowhere to grow. I have no more to learn. And with him doing that, he's giving other people input and opportunity to help as a group maybe come together with something that A has thought about. that B didn't think about, but C did, and it mingles together, and it gives him a different view, opinion. That could be something that's a combination put together from different views. I love this. I believe it's a great approach. Like I told you, I would be sitting there doing nothing but watching over top and putting everybody in position that I know can get my guys to buy into it.

Joe Hayden, he's going to be my corners, okay? Yes. Like I said, I'm going to have, I'm going to have, speaking of linebacker coach, Spence. Come on. S2. S2 got him a job over there. He got, he got him a, what was the outside, inside linebacker coach? Yes, he did.

Yes, he did. Yes, he did. John Smith got him a job over there. And what was it? The Chargers? He got one with the Chargers? Yes, he did. Inside linebacker coach?

Mm-hmm. Come on now. What are we talking about? That is what? I like to see. How you do that? You get a guy that doesn't do it. He doesn't play a little bit.

He understands it. You know what I'm saying? You can get some buy-in with that. I'm not saying he was this great extravagant player, but he got some success under his belt. He got success, you know, I like it. I love it, Joe. And when it comes down to it, they actually say,

hey, Aaron, you got a deadline now, man. Yeah. Hey, you got to let us know something about a combine, Joe. you what you I love that Do you want to see him back Do you not want to see him back How you want to do it? Because they ain't about to let

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If you don't tell us nothing, I guess we're going to just move on. Joe, they're going to have to move on. What did I send you? What did I send you when as soon as I saw the free agents? What did I send you, Joe? You send me Malik. You send me Malik. You send him Malik.

Malik Willis. Hey. Hey, what you think, Joe? So, no disrespect to Arod, but I'm telling you, it's a new, new staff, new everything coming around. My only thing is what we're going to pay him, which we're going to pay Malik. I'm not mad at Malik. I'm not mad at we're getting a two for, two for 40. Can we get him for a two for 40?

Can we get him a two for 40, 20 guarantee just for for a for a try year? And then we got him seeing what he could. Then we're going to see what he could do. It's a competition. It's not going to be a competition in between him and Will Howard. Because if we don't get him, I'm liking Will, and we got to bring in somebody just for competition. But if we do get Malik, I like two for 40 for show,

just to see what's up, $20 million. If we can get him for that, solid. $20 million guarantee. We got him for the one year, 20. If he does good, we can keep him at the 20 for the next year. We got him under contract. And then he's definitely grossly underpaid because, you know, these quarterbacks.

You can't get that. You got to put some type of tail on that. I mean, for sure. I mean, look, two for four. I'm just letting you know what I could, what I could do. I can give them two for 40 right now, for sure. And I don't think David O'Magel is taking that, though. I'm with you.

I like it. I like it on a prove-it deal. But my thing is this. Yes. If I knew what Will Howard could do, I would feel either, I would feel one way or another about it stronger versus, you know, the other. What I do like about The league dude

He got in game High pressure Competition in the playoffs And he did well And he did well And I don't know what type of system Green Bay running over there Compared to what Mike McCarthy did

And so on and so forth But if it's anywhere close You got a dude that was over there doing it Like Come on we got to move on We got to move on from from Aaron It's definitely Like they said, it's a band-aid.

It's a band-aid. It's a band-aid. You can't keep putting a band-aid on. Like, we got a sink of swim. And we got to see. We got to give. And everybody keeps saying, oh, no, Will Howard.

We don't. Give him a chance. We drafted him. We let Mason. Mason's out there. We know what's up. Give Will Howard a chance. Let's see what at least what we got.

And then if we do take Malik, he's going to be in a little two-year deal. And if Will Howard doesn't do what he has to do, we're eventually, we have money. to put other places and then we know we're going to have to get a quarterback. We may not be that good. Maybe. And then we'll just be a quarterback out.

And if we're not good, then we can get drafted high and go get a high draft pick. So, I mean, don't do it with, I mean, Arod, no. We just, we're on to the new. I like him a league for a little short term, two for, I don't know if he's going to take the 20 meal. But if he does, take the 20 for the one, you know, two for 40. if not put will in there let's see what he can do he's a big body i saw him out of ohio state everybody keeps saying no i don't man give the man a chance give him a line give him a run game don't make him do everything give him the sam darn no offense yeah but i'm just trying to

figure out why we didn't see him like i know he was hurt but like like how like all year like we put in who was it uh rudolph Yeah. And we ain't, you ain't even giving him a chance? Like, I don't, I don't know. That makes me, it makes me a little, a little nervous, man. Like, and with the fact that you're still entertaining, you know, Aaron about what he's going to do, makes me think that they may know or have a, you know, idea of what it is or he can't,

do. It's who you're familiar with. You know, Coach T was familiar with Mason. McCarthy's still going to entertain A. Rob because he coached him for a long time and he won the Super Bowl together. If you're already there, I'm coming in and like you're thinking about it, like, I'm not going to entertain you.

I'm going to see what's up. I'm going to give you a deadline now. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to let you play with me too long. Yeah, you got to. You know what I'm saying? You got to. You're not just going to disrespect. That'd be disrespectful if he came in there and Mark McCarthy was like, all right, A. Rod, get out of here. And we'd be like,

dang, like, he wasn't rocking with a brother, for real. So at least he gave him a little time. We didn't give him no deadline. We was waiting. We were sitting there, but where is A-Raw? At least we got a timeline now.

Yeah. Listen. Like, A-Rod. Listen, I'm with signing you. I ain't going to lie to you. Yeah, okay, for sure. Sign them then. I'm with signing.

If we got it, I don't know. Something that, triggers something else if he starts, I don't know. We got to figure something out to where we can get him if it works and still, you know, making something that's going to be attracted to him, you know, as comparison to what he may be able to get out there. You know, he's free free, bro. Yeah.

Like, he's free free. That's a hard, that's a hard thing to, you know, turn past, you know, getting. more money here or there, you know, especially. It's the first time at the bucket, too. And this year, he's looking good. He's going to max out. We're going to spend that coin if we want to. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

Like how max out is max out, though. That's what I'm saying. You know, how max out is max out? I'm going to have to figure that one out, though. I don't have to figure that one out, bro. I don't know if the 30, yeah, 30? because the top quarterbacks are making $50 to $60 million. Are we going to do a 30 ball?

Because my two for 40 is just, just, that's crazy. I'm stealing from that young man. I shouldn't even say that out loud. Don't take the two for 40. I say if bad advice. I mean, you got it. Like I said, you got to go somewhere around that 3-0. You got to go somewhere around the 3-0 if you really want to have a shot.

And then figure out how to fendangle it, you know what I'm saying? How to finagle it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? To get it to. Agents looking for 50. Got to be, at least. Who is? The agent.

I know you got to be looking for it. Man, listen, agent looking for all he can get. That don't, that don't. What do you think you're going to end up signing for that if he makes it in free agency? What do you think are going to sign for? I don't see him going for less than 30. Less than 30, okay. I don't see him going for more.

than 40 years ago okay so yeah okay so two for 80 yeah like he got he got some you know he he got hurt a little bit you know got a little beat up there so i don't know you know how how how healthy is right now i don't know man i just i like i like having the idea of having having a young guy in there that at least we've seen in you know real competition in the stiffest competition that that time which is playoff time so that's something i like bro like Sure. If I got to spend it, like, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me go on here with him. I mean, if I don't have to, I just, if the will, man, the will thing, the will,

the will, will hard thing. I just, I just, anybody have any idea. I'm going to, I'm going to let him go, give a, give a, get a man a shot. He's a big body. And I saw him, I mean, he was throwing that thing to Jeremiah Smith. I will never forget. That was him. So he could throw the fade ball, big body.

We got a coach in here. You know what I'm saying? Like, mechanics look good. What do we... You got to show me that he can't do it. Give him a shot. Literally, like, he's not small. I got, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I'm going to give him a shot, but that's what I'm saying. Like, why haven't they even did that? Why haven't you... Comfortable, comfortable. I'm not to talk to somebody about that, bro. Comfortable. Everybody, comfortable.

My dog Mason Rudolph was just, you knew what you were going to get. You think you're funny. You think you funny, bro? Oh, yeah. Yes, sir, because I know exactly the speaking of coaching staffs, I think I put this one in here, because I found, I found, because first of all, you know, likeness, people like people that look like them. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it's just familiarities, that familiarity is what they like to call it.

So I know the perfect staff for you, not the distillers, not the Browns, the ballhead staff. Team Chrome Dome, the Tennessee Titans. Just take your hat off, Dibaut, and then put his head right next to a coach right there, my good brother in the middle, and that's Dibow. Inside linebackers coach for the Tennessee Titans, Team Chrome, Dome, Team Bowl head. Bro, this crazy. Bro, this is crazy right here. Yeah.

Thank you, team. We threw this first. one in here, you ain't even see it. That's crazy, bro. That man got a ballhead, but guess what, man? No disrespect to the ballhead. Is everybody, you know what I'm saying? I'm eventually going to, I'm eventually going to go.

I'm eventually going to go. I'm holding on strong. I just got the little fade today. But I still got hair, and you don't, and neither do the coaches for the Titans, and you are going to fit perfectly as their linebackers coach, Debo. Robert. Hey, give you, give you a boy a call. Y'all need a strength and conditioning coach, baby.

Ballhead. Ballhead. That made. The condition of coach. That's actually crazy. So many baldheads, they changed the logo to a ball head. They took the flame off the logo, Debo. Bro.

Stop. Yeah. I'm going to tell you. Yeah, you got to see it. You got to see it. Took the flame off the logo. They didn't. They took the flame off the logo, bro.

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