Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe Part 1: Jets SHUTOUT Steelers + Deshaun Watson feels disrespected by Browns fans

Episode Date: August 24, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to the New York Jets shutting out the Pittsburgh steelers in their week 2 preseason game, Deshaun Watson says he feels disrespected by the Browns fans after booing him and much more! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE and use code DEEBOJOE and get $150 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! 00:00 - Introduction 2:15 - Steelers Sat Aaron Rodgers, Mason Rudolph vs. Jets 11:15 - Jets vs Steelers 21:00 - Todd Monken/Browns (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show.

How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing straight, bro. I'm doing it. I'm all right, Debo, you know, doing good. I'm happy I'm home. You know what I'm saying? Back in stew, another day, you know what I'm saying? To talk ball with my dog, you know?

Yeah, man, we got a little bit of catching us to do with the distillers, with the browns, you know, do a little back to the future, then bring it back to the future of the future. You know, just kind of, just kind of roll with it from there. You know what I'm saying? But let's go ahead just start with Distillers, man. So before the Jets game, Mike McCarthy, he had said that he announced Mason Rudolph and Aaron Rogers would not play against New York.

And instead, Will Howard would get to start, followed by Drew Aller. So this is what you said. You got a plan for QB, Mike? I'm sorry. Do you have a plan for QB for the Jeff stand quarterback? Yeah, we're going to play the two young guys for the guest game. You're our focus. We'll hire them to first.

You guys do bringing back the two compliment of receivers? You got to expect from a day. I mean, we've got a couple of guys that are still coming back, you know, on the medical park. We've got 48 hours. I'll get all that stuff like that. I'll get that to you here in the next 48 hours. I'm trying to get some work on the firm.

What's the thought process of time just getting willing and then those mini-corps? I think you understand. I don't know. I'm willing to get to play last year. The Drew's the first year player. You know, I have two veterans I feel really good about. Obviously with Aaron and Mason, saw what I needed to see in the Mason last week.

I'll talk about Mason. It's really since the spring. So I really want to max out the opportunities with both Will and Drew. Joe. I'm going to tell you right now. What's up? This was kind of, or it was kind of surprising to me. Not really.

Well, it kind of was. but Mike McCarthy, when he was talking about, he had seen all he needed to see from Ann Rogers. I understood that. But Mason Rudolph, I kind of didn't understand it. But looking back at it right now, I think I'm just surprised that he actually, like, was considering Mason. But as I go and I look back at his film,

I go through the practice, I look at all the stuff. Mason doing this thing. And like, I think it was a couple weeks ago when he was, you know, like he said, he had talked about. Mason, you know, he had glowing it. Like, he was like, he said, I can tell you. Where, there you go. There it is.

He said, I can't tell you how pleased I am with him. The experience that he's gained, I think is incredible value to us. But the footwork is different. Throws are better than I knew than I knew. Just like any quarterback in the room, you really don't know until you stand next to them. You're out there on the field. So really how each guy throws the ball. So that right there just led me to believe that our one or two quarterbacks is going

to be, of course, Aaron. And then, to my surprise, looks like that lace is going to be, uh, yeah, it's looking like, it's going to be Mason. So I'm like, I got to look and see what's going on. So, like, what was he missing? Like, and I go back and I'm like, it got to be, got to be Mike McCarthy. It got to be Mike McCarthy, the whole new, it's a whole new culture stock. So, like, that's the only thing that I'm saying, I'm thinking is missing is you got you a new coach.

You got you a, you got you a new coordinator. And when you go through the process, you're looking at everything, and you look at what coordinators, Mason ended up having. And get your hands off my food. And, uh, he had, man, he grabbed my fool. He had Randy Featner, which was 18 through 20. He had Canada 821 through 23. And then he had a combination, I guess after they fired Canada of Eddie Faulkner and Mike Sullivan in 23, they were like in our M. OCs or something like that. So I'm looking.

Feeneer is retired. Canada, he hasn't even got a job since. And the other two guys, running back coach for, Faulkner's a runner back coach for the Ravens. And Mike Sullivan is the quarterback coach for Las Vegas. So nobody there actually went and was an OC again. So as I'm looking at that, I'm like, okay, so what we're looking at is or was, whatever you want to call it, it's a development issue, a coaching thing. And when you go and you look at some of the comments that Mason said himself,

he said, I'm really jealous of the structure that they've had in this program and this quarterback grooming system, the way Coach McCarthy has done it, because I feel that they have made a lot of strides. He's talking about the younger guys. He's talking about them. And he also went on to say, I haven't been around anyone who's been as more, who has been more meticulous.

He said, I remember my first few years here, it was kind of like, do whatever you want with your footwork. That tells me a lot. Obviously, it has to be a coaching thing. Anyway, we get to, where that gets me to the point, of like when you don't have somebody that can develop you, coach you, you miss the things.

Like he said, footwork, do whatever you want. I didn't even know that was the thing. But I'm also not a quarterback coach. So I'm not, I don't pretend to be. They've never been in that wrong. What to do as a linebacker coach, I can tell you everything to do as an outside linebacker and go out there and give it to you effectively.

So that was something else. I was telling him like, yo, man, if I didn't hire me, I need $20 million because I got to hire every coach. I know. That knows exactly what they do. doing at their job. Exactly. Exactly. But so it's looking like to me, Mason may just be a person that didn't have the, you know, the assets, coaching and development. Anyway, we get to this. I think what you're saying with this is what, as how I feel, because I feel like Coach Mike McCarthy,

like you said, now it's like I don't care who else was the chef in that kitchen. Now I have these ingredients. I have Mason Rudolph. I have Aaron Rogers. I have Will Howard. I have Drew Eiler. I'm a quarterback coach. I'm going to work with these dudes. I like what they have, their talent, their size. I'm going to put them work on their footwork, working them reading defenses, work on putting them in my offense.

So to see how they can be able to move. So with Mason, Mason has the attributes. He's tall. He can throw the ball. Arm strength was never the problem. So if you got Mason Rudolph out there making right decisions, getting the coach that can be like, look, he knows, he knows ball. He knows when the blitzes, he knows how to read defenses.

he can do certain things so I can see him. Aaron Rogers is going to be out of there. So we're looking at it right now. Like we really have three quarterbacks on the team moving forward going next year. After this season, we got Drew, we got Will, we got Mace. So coach Mike McCarthy is looking at it like, I see these quarterbacks that we have right here. Aaron Rogers is going to be gone. I'm developing these dudes.

They're going to be following behind him. Mason's not a bad quarterback. Like people, he's like, people are giving him credit. No, he's not. I'm going to get him. I think I can make him better than what he was because he has the arm strength. He knows what he has to do. He's a smart quarterback. So I'm looking at the same way you were was like, Mike McCarthy's like, no, no, no, I can use these quarterbacks are good enough better than if I needed the eighth, the eighth, I mean, the fifth linebacker on the team or the eighth tackle.

Like, we could maybe let them go, sign them back to the practice squad, but I would guarantee I'm going to have these four quarterbacks on the squad. So I just think with him, this is the situation where he's like, I rather, I like what I got right here with these quarterbacks. I can develop them. We could try to work with these dudes because A-Raw is going to be gone. But as far as tools, as far as strength, as far as size, as far as throwing the ball, these dudes have what I like. So now let me see if I can coach them up and get them to where they need to be. Yeah, yeah. So now we get to the Jets game.

and I guess Howard started, right? Howard started and then Drew, Drew came in in the second half. And it didn't, we didn't end well for us. We lost 17-0. Howard, he didn't play, he didn't, he didn't play well.

He went, what was it, 10, 15, 74 yards, and two interceptions. Aller, he was 11 of 23, 110 yards. and he was sacked three times. Now, how do you think those are just a stat, how do you think Will Howard played? Look, they didn't do too good, Debo. I'm not going to sit here and lie.

The first game, they looked good. They looked like on pace. Everybody looked like it was flowing. This one didn't look quite as well. So I can't sit there and say that them dudes look like they, it didn't look good, brother, Debo. That's all I can say with that one. So, I mean, it's preseasoning as early,

so I don't want to like, the first game, when they do well, okay, you got to keep building, got to keep doing better. That was not a step forward, I would say, for show, for Will. Okay.

I would say, I would say the same for Will Howard because he had, you know, you got two interceptions. It was a 10 or 15? That's not, that's not really,

that's not good. But what Mike McCarthy has said in the media session after the game, He said that basically it was a distribution, if I would say, of responsibilities of what would happen. So he said the thing he wrote down in his notes a few times during the game was execution details. He said the details and the execution wasn't nice. he said they had made mistakes on those two plays that they didn't overcome that led to both of those decisions.

It's plays that are cleaner than others and those two plays weren't clean. Now, you add that along with the OC, saying, I think overall the execution has got to get better. Obviously, quarterbacks are the ones who throw an interception, it goes in their stats, but it's on everybody. And Debo, we got to get some more. The line is looking a little questionable

because the dudes back there not having time. So we got to get that. We got to get that together too. It all works together. If the dude don't have no time to throw, it don't matter who's standing back there. You're going to get hit upside the head.

Right. So you add that with them saying, basically neither, you know, they didn't, blame anybody solely the quarterback or the receiver or the line, you know. But for me in both those instances, it was Wilson. That was the person that they were targeting. And now it got me kind of thinking like, I'm questioning this capability to be able to get to where he's supposed to, you know, because like he said, Aaron Rogers said, it's timing. It's about being where you're

supposed to be at that time and making that cut and, you know, all that other stuff. So, you know, being able to read the defense so that you do the route that should be done against whatever that coverage is and both of you are on the same page. So that led me to believe that, you know, that could have been a combination of that. But my guy, old Will Howard, he had this to say after he got through though. Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Crave Netflix and Disney Plus from $94. a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for details and to check availability. Bell, connection is everything. On the new podcast Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this

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episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You ain't got the clip? We got, we're talking about the Will Howard. What he said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We guess we ain't got the clip.

That's great. Okay. Okay. Anyway, he took full responsibility for all of it and was like, yo, that's on me. I could have did things better. I got to process this fast. I got to do this better. able to get. I like that, dude. I like that. Even though he didn't have a...

It was Drew. I thought it was okay. I got you. Okay. We go do the... That's Will. Yeah. Obviously not good enough. Not being able to grow up and put any points on the board. For me, I think it kind of started early. I just needed to do a better job, especially, you know, early in drives, taking what's given. I felt like I passed up a couple of opportunities early in drives that either set us back with an incompletion or a sack, that if I just take what's there, even if it's catch, tackle, we're not in a backed up situation. So I felt like that's,

that's where I could help the offense more. And then from there, that will help us just playing with more flow and rhythm and not always being constantly backed up. So I felt like I, I know I could have done a better job with that. I had that mixed up. That was Drew. Aller. Well, Howard started. Drew Aller came in a second. He didn't want to have two interceptions 10 or 15. But that was the one I was talking about with OC. Yeah, I switched those up. That's what it was.

Anyway. So I'm thinking they were switched. That's not Drew. That's actually what's that. That was Drew right there. No, I'm saying I'm looking at something out here. But how did you think Drew play? I think the thing is with Drew at the end of the day,

he's like he said too, he was answering the questions where he know he didn't play to the best of his ability. So, you know, just he knows he got to go back to the drawing board, get back right. Just knowing the honest guy don't lie. So being able to just stand up when you don't have a good game, knowing that you could do better, that's all you got to do. He's a young quarterback, so he still got, still got time to grow. He went to O&O, right? He, what was it? He went, Howard, I'm thinking of.

He went, what was it? 11 of 23. No, that was, that was how, that was, that was, that was 10 or 15, Will Howard. Man, listen. There it is. Drew 11 to 23, 2 10, I mean, 110, 11 to 23, 210, 0 interception, zero interception, zero touchdown. Sorry, 110.

Zero interception, zero touchdown. That three times. Got it. Now. But he didn't want had that fire sideline throw. Yeah, that's him right Down the left side of whatever Yes

Looking like that was the A rod joint Hit him on the sideline, toe top Nice like on the run Dye He got arm talent Yeah, I like that Yeah Also, I think he had

I think we had an opportunity Where it might have been They said between five or six balls That were actually catchable That could have been caught So that could have looked a lot better That could have been to what 15, 17 to 23, 16, 17 to 23.

Performance with an extra, they said, what, 70 yards that they said would have been possible. So the combination of what they said before about the movement, or sorry, about Howard, that the interceptions weren't necessarily all of his fault as something that they said, you know, he was saying like they need to have an execution of, of everything else and all those stuff. Why do I keep getting them boys mixed up? Drew, Will, both young, both trying to get it done, both behind.

And we're talking about the backup quarterbacks for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ain't worried about this strong quarterback. You all know, y'all know, Hey, Rod is starting. All we're talking right here is how the backups is doing and how many quarterbacks are going to be here behind Aaron Rogers.

That's crazy. That's good. That's good work for the Steelers. You know who the car is going to be. This is crazy work. Let's go talk. about what the hell we got going on in Cleveland with the starting quarterback. Hey, I was trying to listen.

I was trying to give you a little bit of a free. We talked about the backups in Pittsburgh. Y'all got your starter. Y'all said. Y'all got your start. But, hey, listen, listen, before we get into that, man, all week, you all week, you all, listen, listen, y'all was doing a little bit of, y'all was doing a little bit of browning all you, man.

You know what I'm saying? Like, like, like, look at this, look at this right here, man. Show the tweet, put that tweet up there, man. That boy said, they had the end, right. What? Brown's practice is over. It abruptly ended. It was an abrupt ending that Todd Munkin caught.

And he addressed the team. He seemed to be frustrated with some of the over-physicality from the defense. He said, he was a little frustrated with some of the physicality brother from the defense. He said, he said, he said, uh-uh, we don't, we don't, he said, Joe, when don't play physical like that. No, but I'm going to tell you this. Your D.N. What is it? Whitney?

Whitney, Whittling, what team, Lee, whatever it is. He hit the quarterback. Okay, that's not okay. You did tackle, you did tackle Huntington. He hit Junkins firing. He's a running back. Hey, listen, hold up, Joe.

Hold up, Joe. Now, after that, though, your D.E. Jerry Burt, hey, he peeled Junction's cat back. Yeah, literally. Pilt the man. Pilt the soft top off. Hey, bro. That's why he had the end practice.

And then when he ended the practice early, man, that messed it up for your guy, uh, uh, uh, Jerry Judy. He didn't get enough catches in practice and he was out there doing this. Show him what he's doing. Like, girl, Debo. I'm just saying, Joe. They're a wild man. No, I'm not.

Bro, look. They got the table what he was doing. Look at the table. Like, look at the table. Jerry Judy out there. He's doing what he does. Got to see. See, she's trying to set me up.

All right. What? It's coming. It's coming. They say it's coming. But what we're going to do here? We're going to go ahead and tell him, bro. Like, go ahead and, um,

hey man, I'm having some, my head have me a martinia. I got me some olives and cheese. There it is, man. What are they doing? Hey, he caught that. Oh, he dropped the ball. He dropped it.

He dropped it. He dropped it. Hey, you know, I'm getting old from a business bad. That's crazy. We're trying to just keep showing it. We saw it. We saw it. We saw the clip.

Hey, man, stop. Stop yelling at people. Man, they're trying to get you what you want. Man. It's all good. Oh, man. You know, you got to catch that. And then y'all know you all had that joint practice, right?

I had that joint practice over there. Hey, and you know, you know, the bills, they over there, they over there talking about, hey, man, they said, it's a, This is Checkdown City. Okay? I guess your door and Watson were both doing the 707. I mean, I don't know. You got a clip of that?

We got a clip of that. No, we ain't got a, we ain't got a clip it out. Stop clipping. Hey, Joe, stop. Lord, Joe, you're acting crazy over there, man. I'm not acting crazy. I'm not acting crazy. I'm not acting crazy.

I'm acting passionate. Joe Joe, Joe, Joe, you're trying. Anyway, let's get to y'all game, because it was 31 to 7. But y'all got about 31 to 7. Like, I don't know how your quarterbacks did. I guess, oh, I guess your door? He went 9.11, 74 yards.

Took an interception, though. We got to catch that. Anyway, and Deshawn, he did great. 5, 12, 35 yards, interception. I would start him. I would definitely start him. I would start him. That's the guy I would start.

Anyway, Joe, how did you feel your quarterbacks? Let's start. Let's start with you start. I got a lot, a lot, a lot to say. I got a lot to talk about. I feel a lot of different ways. And it's because it's just, okay, first, first let's start off with, let's start off with the quarterback play.

Okay? In game two, just preseason game two. Shador Sanders outplayed Deshawn Watson obviously in game two. In game one, I said in the preseason that Deshawn Watson looked way better than I expected, and he played better than Shador. In the second game, Shador obviously played better. That pick that he had, I think you just got to catch. The ball was a little behind, but if they hit both your hands, you got to catch it or don't.

Tip balls are picks. So, like, that one, I didn't feel like that was Shador's fault. He was driving the ball. There it was. You weren't on the money. One on the money, but got, then, we're pros. We got to catch you got to catch that. Hey, hey, listen.

Hey, you're pro too. I understand. Everybody takes two to tango. It takes two to tango. But look, like I said again, though, the game, though, obviously that, with some of the passes, with him with his pocket presence, with him not running around the pocket, him standing tall, him hitting a lot of the crossers, them third downs, a lot of the passes, him throwing the ball vertically.

it looked good. It looked way better than it did the first game. So, Deshaun Watson surprised me. Look better than Shador in game one, first preseason game. Game two, that second preseason game, Shador looked really good. Pocket presence, throwing the ball, doing what he had to do. Deshawn Watson did not look good in the second game, obviously.

When we talk about... I don't know. That's up to the person. Okay, well, you could go ahead. Because I think he should be the starter. Okay. I think you played to the level. I just talked about who did better in the first game than who did better in the second game.

So we're having a legitimate quarterback competition. I'm just saying that I think, dang, okay, Deshaun got the first game. Shador got the second game. Oh, you're talking about a competition. I thought we were just talking about the quarterback. I'm talking about the quarterback competition and you're basically looking at how they play. Then we got, obviously, you have all the practice reps and everything. What I want to go to is now after the, after the second.

second preseason game. When Deshawn went to the press conference. Did you see the press conference? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. What, what, what, what happened?

We got that. We got that right there. We got Deshawn. Hey, man, he spoke to the press conference. He said, the fan being disrespectful. He, they was being disrespectful, Joe. This is one of, this is. Show me.

I want to see what it's there because I would have been mad to. Yeah, I didn't have no reaction. I think the biggest thing is, um, I don't, I think you guys know, too. And I think the whole world knows, it has nothing to do about the performance. It's a little bit personal than that. So I think that's a disrespectful thing. So, yeah, I mean, I'm going to keep whatever I feel with me and my family internally on how I feel about that. And, yeah, just move on.

But don't you think Bishon that winning and playing better would eliminate some of that bullying? Last time I played on this field, I took my Achilles. And that same fan base, they cheered when I got hurt. So does that have to do with, what does that have to do with anything about performance? When a person get hurt, especially for your own city, and they cheer. Does that make you regret coming here? No, I don't regret anything in my life. You know, I think the Lord put me through situations for a reason.

So I don't regret anything at all. But, you know, I had, uh, different thoughts on how it was going to be, but, you know, it is what it is. You know, sometimes, you know, the table's turn. And I'm patient enough because I'm a child of God to, you know, wait for that time to change. So I'm not tripping on it. I'm not tripping on it. Ooh.

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, he ain't tripping on it, man. Listen, the fans over there, y'all are disrespectful. You're disrespectful. Buying the man. Y'all cheered when he tore his Achilles. You think that's right? I'm going to tell you this right now.

That was the most messed up thing of the whole thing that the Browns did. Literally, that's the only thing. We learn from Little League football, Debo. When you get hurt, the other team, you take a knee and you cheer when the person gets up. Because at the end of the day, you don't want to see people get hurt. The opposite team, you cheer for the opposite team just to make sure that they get up and they get off the field safely. That's what we teach our kids. Because it's not you going to play the game.

People are going to get hurt. You're not trying to hurt someone, but it happens. It's football. So when somebody goes down, Deshaun Watson, the one thing you had is when you said is when you got cheering, when you get hurt, that's crazy. That's something where I can say, let me say, that's something where I can back what you're saying. Everything else, I cannot. Joe, go, no, no. They cheers.

Listen, that's, that's, what I, did you not hear me? Did you not hear me? You teach your children, Joe, not to do that. What does that mean when you have adults out there cheering, grown men, cheering and celebrating an injury by another man, Joe. You know what that tells me, Joe, that they wasn't even taught as kids by their parents that you don't do that. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

I'm with you 1,000 percent. That is terrible. That's trash. That's a bet that you don't do that. If somebody's hurt, we learn that from children. You take a knee and you clap for that person because you don't wish real injury. You don't want to hurt.

It's a game. You're going to play hard. You want to win. You want to do what you got to do. And pose your will. But when people are getting hurt, you want them to go home to their families. Because we know everybody got families.

Everybody has lives. Oh, they wanted him to go home to his family. I'm just saying this. This is, this is from me. So when I'm saying, I got really upset. And when I'm seeing what Deshawn is saying from that, I hear you 1,000 percent. Now,

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in four seasons. You got that contract because those three pro bowls that you made in four seasons in Houston, which gets you that $40 million a year. We talk about what your contracts get you from what you did previously. Right now, you're on the Cleveland Browns. They're paying you $40 million per season to be the Deshaun Watson you were in Houston. The contract you're working to get now is how you're playing right now. And how you're playing right now, you've done four seasons, for the Brown so far. You played 19 games. You had, in 2022, you came there, was suspended for 11 games because of what was going on

out in Houston with the, with the, with the, with the, massage joints. And it didn't come out to be nothing, but you still got suspended from 11 games for that. Hold on, what happened? What was, what went on? Allegedly, it was 20 women that are saying allegations of things going on. Oh, that's why he got suspended when he first came here. So now the Browns, you're making $40 million that year. You don't play 11 games because you're coming from the suspension.

All good. The next season, you miss the final nine games because of your shoulder. Right now, when you're making $40 million a year, you already missed 11 games, then you miss nine. So your 80 million is up and you miss 18 games in the first two years. So now, like, the team that they're not getting what the old Deshaun. Now they're $80 million in with eight games, no real good production. like that, 2024 you come back,

tear your Achilles, and you get two surgeries. So you miss seven, you miss the final seven games in 2024, and then you missed the whole 2025 season because you had to get two Achilles surgeries.

This is all time where when I was playing for the Browns and I had my concussion, I was getting hurt, I was getting paid $13 million. The team are, they're looking at me and now they have the right to boo.

I'm getting paid, top flight money. If I'm not out there, then I deserve to be like, okay, no, Joe, what was going on? You're getting paid the big bucks? Like, it's a business. So I have to be producing at a high level and know if the tape is showing me not looking good, there's going to be people talking like, oh, he's getting paid too much money.

Maybe we can get rid of Joe. Can he, can be, does he have trade value? So you got to be big enough to know at the end of the day, DeShan. You're still making $40 million per year. They have a right to want you to be good. Like, if you're playing well, nobody's booing. But when you get out there, it's not too much good ball. Then you come like, so you got to understand.

End of the day, you're still making that $40 million a year. When you're out the way and you're chilling when you're rehabbing, nobody's rocking. Nobody's saying nothing. Nobody was on your back. But when you get out there and you're on the field and performing, everybody has the right to be like, you owe us. You're out here.

We gave up three first round picks. We gave you $230 million to be our quarterback, our franchise guy. And you're not out here looking like Josh Allen, like Patrick Mulhomes, like Dak Prescott, like the franchise. quarterbacks that are out there that don't have the fully guaranteed, you came here and we expect you to be a baller for us. And now you're not. So the fans, to boo him when he's hurt, you're dirt, you're dead wrong. You're dead wrong. You have no right to do that. For you to boo him for his performance out there, not performing well, you got every right to do that. He's making $40 million

and you need to see him out there bowling because if he was bawling, I hope to pray that nobody's going to be booing him then because we want to win. I don't give it damn who's a quarterback is. Deshaun, I want you to succeed. I want you to be well because you're the quarterback of my team. I want my team to win. And if you give us the best chance to win, please go out there and ball. But if you don't, then I want us to have your doors see what we can do because we need quarterback.

We need a quarterback position. You've been making this bread. And I would love you to ball. But if you're not, push your door in there and let's go. So that's why I'm like, the fans can go out here and they have every right to be mad because, bro, we don't have picks. People are missing now. Miles isn't here because now.

If we would have been here, you would have been balling, we would have been able to keep miles and we could still be trying to go somewhere right now. But we're looking for a franchise quarterback, but we're paying franchise quarterback money, and we don't have one. So that's why everybody has their rights to be right. No, no more.

Hey, Joe, that ain't really franchise money no more. It's only 40. It's been no franchise money like 60. I feel you, but that was what set us back. It's guaranteed. It's $230 million guaranteed. I have you want to look at it. I just, hey, Joe, listen.

So you're saying it's okay to boo him because he suck, but don't boo him because he's true. Yes, a thousand percent. Because that's just, that's Little League. You don't boo. If you're hurt, you don't boo. How do you hurt somebody's hurt? That's just dirty.

They can't, they hurts. Make sure they're okay, please. They can get off to the sideline and we continue the game. But if you're playing terrible and you're getting paid to back, obviously, with honest guy, I don't lie. You know if you're not doing good. I'm like, damn. I deserted.

You know, he said, I got to make a play. That's why I was getting booed. He said his performance was on the money. No, it wasn't. And I think that's the other part. Listen, listen. You was born. He was out there doing.

The ball was hitting up against the ground. Listen to what Todd Monk said after after. Listen, man, listen to what Tom Monk said after the game, man. He believes in. I mean, it's a pretty easy question. It sucks. I don't want to get booed. Yes.

It comes with the territory. Yes. You want to get booed? Let's play good football. Oh, my God. Let's play good. Is you listening to me? Play good on offense.

Let's play good as a team. And then you don't have to worry about all that because it can turn just like that. Win, play good football, and everybody will be fine. That's just part of it. I didn't. That's why I told him, you good? We're good. Part of what we do.

Damn, Joe. Hey, coach Todd Monkin understands what the hell is going on. Okay, so... He just said what I was saying. If you play well... You understand what's going on with that. Nobody got nothing to talk about. If you're out there looking like boots,

then people are going to talk about you. And because we're not playing flag football for free in the backyard. You're playing the National Football League coach. If I get hit up, man to man, if somebody beat me down, like, man, Joe out there getting hit. Man, what are you talking about?

Yes, Joe, you're getting hit. That ain't really what they're talking about. They're doing me. They ain't got me. I ain't got nothing to do with my performance. I ain't got nothing to do. It don't matter. I got torched on three plays.

I got torts for two tuddies. It don't matter. They ain't why they're boring me. You know what they're boring me, Joe? I don't know. It wasn't boring at the big... Look. Hey, Joe, I ain't gonna lie.

I hear you, man. Hey, Joe. All I know is... Only time I got booed... I just want Dechan to know. I do not want you not to succeed. And I'm not out here booing. I'm just telling you it's...

The play, you got to... You got to be understanding what's going on. Like, play well. Like, Coach, what Tom Munkin said, I was rocking with. Because I'm like, Coach Tom Munkin, you make complete sense. We're playing in the National Football League. We're going to be getting judged by what we do out there and how it looks. If it don't look good, you're able, you got to be able to take criticism.

The same way when you was elite and you got this 2.30 because you went to the Pro Bowl three times in a row. You requested a trade from Houston because you were like, Like, man, no, I deserve that bag. You picked teams that you wanted to go to. Cleveland wasn't in the running, and they offered a $2.30 guarantee. Okay, bet. No, that sound good. I'll go over there, run it up.

So let's, like, now you got it because of what you did on the football field. Now you're giving us the performance. This is not a $230 million contract for the last four years that you've been playing. No, we're trying to. It's like, well, I don't know what deal you would be able to get right now because it's the what have you done for me lately in the league. Joe, Joe, all what I'm saying is that I personally, I personally, understand what you're saying. I think, along with the fact that your fan base weren't raised well, weren't taught as children, they grew into adults.

That was Jack. So that's a lot of what happened. But also, it's every year, Joe. They've been going through this for their whole lifetimes. And they're thinking they don't got this quarterback that's about to go out there and do this for him. Because when you look at his resume, what he was doing there? And you're thinking that, you know what, if we get half of that, we go be good. And y'all come in.

We wanted to have. We wanted to have, Joe, so they're upset. Pre-P-Mo. Joe, they pissed off. They upset. They ain't got no manners. They manage. You know, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're just so frustrated. They need to let something out. And, and, and, and, that's, that's the thing, like, where you get kicked around all week. And then you go out there and you go, and you go out there on Sunday and you go to root on your team. And you know what? You get kicked in your mouth again. So you're just getting your face kicked in all the way through and you're frustrated, you're upset, you're angry. So now you just, you're just raging at anything. You know, hurt people. Hurt people. hurt people, you know? Your guy's been hurt for so long, Joe, you got to understand it. You understand that?

I hear you. I hear you, Dbo. The pain. The pain I'm feeling, I want you to feel that pain because I don't know nothing else but pain. That's Browns. That's their fans. No, that's not. That's not. That's not. We just, we want to win.

We want to win. That's the only thing. We want We deserve. Everybody wants to win, but it's a way that you got to win. You got to go about winning. Do you think you should win and be rewarded when you do things like that? I don't care how long you lost.

Look at the cowboys. They've been getting their ass kick for 30 years. They've been them boys for 30 years and they ain't did shit with it, but they still bleed in them boys. You don't see them over there booing back when he hurt himself. No. Yeah, I, Debo, I can't stand. on the booing him when he got hurt part. But that was the one thing I said.

That's not cool. That's not right. That's jacked up. I feel you. But the performance player of why, like, yeah. Damn. So now look, he's starting. We got to look.

Listen, the best thing is now? Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me root you right there. Like I said, hurt people. He started. How did you think that man was supposed to respond after he doesn't? went through. Give me that resume. 11 games here because of injury or 11 games here because of something that didn't even get proven of anything. And then you got something over here that he hurt here about about

his shoulder for another something else games. Then he hurt here about his killies. And as he's as as he's hurt laying on that floor, that pain, that pain where you in your head, you think you're trying to realize that might ever be able to play this game again. Get back to where I was at. They booing him. They booing him and celebrating him. out of there. How you think that make him feel? How you think that made him feel when he hurt him bulls? It just all started cycling back over. What you expect

that man to say, man? That that's the part you got to understand. At the end of the day, that's going to hurt as a person, it's going to hurt your feelings. For sure, you don't want to be booed when you're... He's been on it for three years, Joe. I understand that, Debo, but that's what I'm saying. For him to go out there, you got to understand.

You are a professional quarterback in the NFL. So it comes with the territory to where at the end of the day, I hate to keep saying this, D-Bo, but we're not playing for free. So I've got to be able to take some of this stuff on the chin and know, boom, booing, not booing, I've got to get myself right, I've got to take care of my body, I got to do what it takes for me to just get back out here and play the game. He's been doing that.

So for him to say like, oh, like that, that obviously as a man, it's going to hurt my feelings. Like, I'm going to feel a certain type of way. but as understanding they want the team to win. They want me to come out there and perform. I was paid as a franchise quarterback to do that for the squad. So just knowing where you stand, it's going to be what it's going to be. The people, like, you're still living your exact same life. You're going to be able to make your bread.

You already sign that contract. So for the fans, for them, they want a $40 million player to be out there bowling. When we look at T.J. Watt now, people, start talking about, oh, should we trade TJ? Is he still good enough? I'm like, guys, just let the man, like, he's on the squad. He's going to be what it is. Like, TJ is TJ, no matter what.

So if you don't keep playing to that exact same all-pro level every single year, the older you get, people are going to start just like, man, no, we could go get somebody else. We can move on. So just having that in your mind, Deshaun, you're 31-year-old quarterback. It's been a little while with the injuries. So it's like you got to start starting looking at yourself in the mirror and start understanding your NFL life. Like how much longer you really have?

What's really going on in your situation? So being able to still have that 230 guaranteed, I just want him to realize like you're still, every two weeks you're still making that check. So you want to be able to still get back to it and play at a high level. Only way you can do it is what you were doing in Houston. You were balling.

So you have to ball to be able to continue to move around like that. All right, Joe. Now look here. I'm gonna go ahead. Please. All right. I was, okay.

Hey, bro, you can pay $40 million. You can call me everything but an non-belief. And I ain't go see him here. You hear what I'm saying. I know you know what I'm talking about. You just been messing with me. You got to be a man and stand there and say,

you know what? I didn't play well. That's why I got. You've been messing with me this whole time. They may be doing you because of some other stuff too. You've been messing me this whole time, but you played like trash. You didn't.

five or 12 and you threw an interception. What is you talking about? They're not boring me for my performance. They point. They're boring you for your performance. That was garbage. Like, I think I could have did that. I know I could have did that.

I probably would have at least got 40 yards. And if they go out there and they was like, hey, man, James, man, listen, I ain't going to lie. I ain't never been booed. But if I did get booed by my fans, which I probably was booed, they called me a bunch of other stuff when I left and went to New England now. Hey, no response.

For what? I'm going to give you what you're looking for and what you want. All you had to say, you know what, man, I heard it, don't like it, I need to play better, I can kill all that. Great play, Winnie kills all the boo-birds. They don't come back no more. They're gone. You know it.

It's about the play. So, like, bro, stand there, man, you don't went through a whole process, like you said. That ain't the reason. That reason over there, that's the one that I would have been trying to explain myself. Not that. No, listen, man, I played bad. They booed me. Hey, it is what it is.

I got to do better. But obviously, that didn't factor into who they decided to pick as their starting quarterback because. I'm Hoda Kotbby, host of the podcast, Joy 101 with Hoda Kotvey. You know, I'm always searching for inspiration and useful tools to maximize Joy. Like when my friend Henry Winkler offered advice to aspiring actors and really anybody hoping to stand out. You're not hired just to fill time and space. You're hired to fill the space with you. Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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