Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Joe Attends Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce's Wedding + Will Shedeur Start Week 1?

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to Pittsburgh Steelers QB Aaron Rodgers revealing the secret to Mike McCarthy's coaching success, a scout predicting that Shedeur Sanders will start Week 1 for the Cleveland Browns, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline: 00:00 - Intro 03:26 - Joe attended Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce's wedding16:38 - Aaron Rodgers on Mike McCarthy's offense29:00 - Player Safety Field Conditions38:44 - Will Shedeur start week 1? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Please make sure your like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. Hey, hey, Joe, how you doing today, Joe? I heard you was doing some things over the weekend, Joe. Brother Debo, I'm doing great. I attended some, you know what I'm saying, a beautiful, beautiful wedding. It's nothing but love. It was love in the air. That's all I got to say.

It was love in the air. It was love in the air. It was love in the air. And I heard y'all was kind of messing up people's, you know, electricity. They were shutting off shit and everything out there for you, you know. What was going to? Joe, Joe, listen, man, tell me, tell me, tell me how was the festivities, Joe. You know, I didn't get no invite.

You know why I ain't get no invite? They said, I'll go mess it up. You was going to come in there. With the beater on, I knew that you was going, you would have got to invite, you would have came in there, tuck feet old down. Flexed up. Dress to impress. You know what I'm saying? And that's, Dibov.

I came in there stepping. Did you see me? I came in that Joe, I seen you. I seen you. I seen you. I was clean, Dibro. I was clean, Dibro. I was clean at the border health.

I'm going to tell you that right now. You was cleaning in the border health. Joe, you was cleaner than the border health. Cleaner than the border health. I came in there with the pocket watch. You know what I'm saying? Long story short, I met my man Travdo. A minute ago.

You know, he's from Cleveland. So I got the invite. I was super excited about it. Okay. A lot of familiar faces in the spot, Devo. I thought like it was real. I'm not, you know what I'm saying? A lot of familiar faces.

I felt like he was at the SB's slash the Grammys slash the Oscars. But me, I love love. I love. You love to love. And I genuinely think Trave and Taylor are happy together. My man invited me to go to one of his games, probably three years ago for Taylor's birthday. Invite us out there. So me and my wife got the meter, kicked it with them.

Great couple. I just woke nothing but the best. So it was a spectacle. It was a sight to see. I'm going to keep my NDAs, you know what I'm saying? So it was just a lot of people there. It was amazing. It was a great time.

Great function. I can bump shoulders with a lot of good friends. Saw a lot of people that I haven't seen in a while. But it was fired, Debo. It was dope. Okay. Well, what about what you do, anniversary, all that stuff? You had a lot of stuff going on in weekends, yeah?

Yes. So then that's why I'm still right now. We went to the Hampton. brought my lady out to the Hamptons for the first time. You know what I'm saying? Had to go see what that was like. Got a little nice spot at the got a little hotel called at the Topping Roads. You know, some friends were out there.

We ended up doing some shopping at East Hamptons, a little lunch, watched the World Cup. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So we were doing a little bit of that. Yesterday I was supposed to get my flight. I was supposed to be home right now. But the weather was crazy out here,

so I had to end up staying at the Hyatt next to JFK Hotel. which is connected to a dag on casino. I didn't know. So I'm in this hotel right now, Debo, Jimmy rigging it off my phone. But I'm with my lady. We're still in New York. We're having a great time.

We're saying. We're at. Man. We're at. Sarah downstairs. I told her, I can't have you in the room when I'm on my pod.

I got to have me and Dibbo here. That's crazy. She's going to be sitting there looking at me like saying stuff. Listen, I need to say, hey, what's up? Howl at her? Like, howl at your boy?

Like, what you're talking, man? Okay. No, man, I had to send Sarah down. You don't want to take your shine. Get some lunch, you know what I'm saying? Gave him my voucher. I get her my voucher. Get her to hugger face all the time, Joe, man.

I gave him my voucher. I gave him my voucher. She about to go hit the slot machines. You know what I'm saying? Might do a little blackjack down there. So, you know what I'm saying? So she was like this. I'll be fine.

I'm like, yeah, I bet you are. You also be fine. Yeah. How much you need? She said by this much. Literally, Debo. She gave me a pen. Just fill up my fingers right here with a little wide.

A little wide. Don't fold it either. Lay it flat. Make it flat. Devo, I folded it. I double folded it. I folded it. And then I folded it again just to try to make it thicker.

I say, yep, that right there, about 750 with 20s and all in there. That's about to do it for you. Oh, man. Good job. Good job, man. Listen here. Thank you, brother. Happy anniversary, belated.

All that good stuff. Again. Glad you had a good time, man. You say that was what, 12, 13 years? 13 years, Debo. 13 years, man. Looking forward to another 50 or 60 of them things. You know what I'm saying?

Thank you. But, Debo, I got to tell you one thing that happened to, it was a little crazy. I need to stay on land. I need to stop doing all the dumb stuff. Like, I'd be doing too much. I really realized it. So we're going from the Hamptons to, then we're going from Manhattan

to the Hamptons. It's like two and a half hour drive, right? So everybody's like, oh no, the traffic's going to be crazy. It's like two and a half hours, maybe three hours. But there's a little blade service where you can get a little helicopter that can take you from Manhattan to the Hamptons and it takes 30 minutes.

Right? So I say, oh man, yeah, we'll kill, we'll crush two hours of the time and the travel. Okay, so the app is called Blade, Debo. It's called Blade, and it can take you. It's either a helicopter or a seaplane. Do you know what a seaplane is? Yes, sir.

I did the seaplane. I did Alaska, remember? I did not do the seaplane, Debo. I did not know what the seaplane is, and I will never get on the damn seaplane again. How are we going to go to Alaska then? No, no. Well, it must be better sea planes out there than our sea planes,

because we had to take off, and there's people, in the water. So we get on the boat and now that we're like, we're going, and we need, it's fourth of July. So it's boats all over the place. So we need a little bit like a longer way to take off. We start going to take off and boats start coming so we go up and then we come back down. Boom. I'm like, oh my God, me and my old lady, we're like this. Oh my goodness. Is this supposed to happen? Is this ever supposed to go up and come back down? Debo, we went up and came back down. So now I'm spooked. Me and my lady spooked. Long story short, 15 minutes later, we found a little more runway.

We took off with the seaplane and we made it, right? The next day, Debo, I see the seaplane done crashed, but everybody was okay. Everybody survived. All eight survivors, they had the thing for the people on the seaplane. Seaplane, it landed, and then the little wing came down. Nobody got hurt or nothing, but the same sea plane. My wife was like this. But my wife was like, baby, that was our sea plane.

That was certainly on your door. I don't think it was. It's the same company. It was Blade. I'm like, I don't know how many C plays they have going from this place to the next place. I was like, babe, they probably got three plays. I'm going to say, babe, I told her, I think it's 50-50. It was R.C. plane.

She was like, you better give me 70-30. That was R.C. plane. I'm like, sir, I can't do that. But you might be right. I know them seat deep below. I need to stay my ass on land. I be doing too much. Listen, man.

The problem with them C-planes, man, is you need you real pilots. See, you got these pilots that come off these flights on, you know, like these jets and all that. Dude, you need a Bush pilot, dude. And that's what we work in. Well, you need somebody that knows how to fly their self. Listen, they got to be like an expert in that dude because you're talking about they're moving three, four different parts. They're doing this. They're doing this.

We have to adjust it. It ain't flying itself like you do the jets. No, it's not. You do a clicker here. You play with the joystick here and all that other bullshit. They got the pulling back. They got the feet dropping to get the going. They're going to, man, I'm like, I'm looking at dude like, ooh, we.

I'm like, are you about to pedal us into the air? Like, I'm thinking we're instantly supposed to go. But they get to dropping the stuff in the middle. I'm like, oh, my goodness, what is everybody doing? So, yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy. But safe, good, everything. How did you get back, Joe?

Did you take the plane back? We sat in traffic for three and a half hours to get back. Are you kidding me? I'm not getting on no more C-plane. It was the most traffic in my life. We said that my wife, we were sitting there dead silent. We didn't move for 40 minutes in the traffic. So it said it was supposed to take us two hours and 30 minutes. It took us three hours and 30 minutes to get from the Hamptons back to JFK.

But I didn't care. I was watching the wire. I started cutting on TV shows. I'm sitting in that call like, hey, I mean, what do you want for me? Do you remember what you look like in that C-Blain? Okay, we're chilling. Watch the wire with me right here. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Did you miss Love Island? Like, get on Peacop. We're chill. Do something. Do something. Listen, we ain't got time to be playing. We're living. We're living.

Oh, my goodness. Listen, Joe. Listen, man, you got to swim above that plane, too, once it crash. That's on, that's for sure. You got to go out of swimming. I know how to swim. Only good thing is that you can hold on to it because the whole thing ain't going to sink. The whole, yes.

They got, it's supposed to be able to just land. on water, so you're supposed to be safer. He ain't know what he is doing, dude, and you got to hope that he, you know, they come in to do the land. If they do the, if they do the nose dive into the boom, oh, man. See, no, no, no, no, no. But the crazy part was deep, but we just took

off from, we took off from the water and we landed on land. Oh, they had one of them. They ain't have a real sea plane. They had a, they had us in between. See, dude, don't. We had an in between. He wasn't, he wasn't, he wasn't a real, he wasn't the real, real, real seaplane. You ain't, you ain't had a real, real, real

seaplane. I had the sea plane, man. where I'm sitting up there in the front with him, and he working the joystick and all that. And I'm literally, like, got my arm like this just to have room. So he's working all that. I'm here. We're in there tight, Joe. It was feeling good, too.

I didn't really realize to you. It was feeling good. I realized that he was doing the thing. He had the skills, man. I was looking at it. I was watching, you know. He wasn't flinching when the plane did a little bittity bobby, just a little bit, you know, this and that, man.

You know what I'm saying? Like, he was doing that. That's what he did. He was a bush pilot. That's all he did. So you felt comfortable because you already knew. Oh, I was comfortable, bud. And then they put us in the big one.

And the big one had like eight seats in it, six eight seats in it. And I was like, oh, Lord, this was good. Like the one we had before, it was four seats now. Okay, no. We were going to eight seats. Cats like me, my side sitting in. See, no. Did you guys have to weigh yourself?

Oh, yeah, we did. But we only, we had an eight-seater with four people in it. So they was trying to figure out my luggage could only be 25 pounds. Me and Sarah, our first time on the sea plane, we came with the tuner. We came with a whole luggage. They're like, look, we go see how many people on it. It was only four people on there.

So we was able to bring our luggage because they're like, ah, the weight distribution. Now I'm like, is it the to me that's bringing us down? I don't know. Hey, listen. And you got to be like, okay, you got to sit here. You got to sit there. Like, all the heaviest, I had to sit in the front, like, because that's what it's like, dude. It was crazy, bro.

Like, yeah, I ain't a lie. It was good, though. It was good, brother. I'm glad you made it back safe, man. I'm glad you had the foresight to be like, you know what? We go on ahead and take this three hours. You know what I'm saying? Keep my ass on land because they ain't flying right over there.

We almost drove from the Hamptons all the way back to Virginia. I'm not getting on no more planes. I'm just going to get us there. Joe, you can't. Listen, you can't go that far now. Now you're trickling, Joe. I know your travel arrangements always get messed up real bad, Joe. I'm trying to figure out, like, I don't know why.

The weather is, the weather. I mean, these planes be just canceling. Okay. I'm on the way to the airport. The weather of the cartel who knows what the hell, you know? What the hell? 4.30 flight, I'm headed to the airport. Now you tell me I'm delayed to 645.

Now I'm almost there. Now you're telling me I'm just canceling you. Ooh. Yeah. Come on now. We got 140 in the chat 36 lights. Come on. Come on.

Come on. Come on. Look here. We're going to step on over here to this. I survived. I survived the sea plane. Yes. Greene.

Like for Joe's survival. Like for Joe's survival. Thank you. God. Damn. Listen, every time Joe go somewhere, man, we got to sit there and pray, man. We got to drop to her knees and make sure that he'd get back, man. You need a prayer circle.

Anytime Joe say he's going somewhere, man. I'm telling you. Y'all pray for Joe. He's flying to Cleveland today. Oh, man. I'm flying back to Virginia later on today. I got a 440 flight back to the prayer. Okay.

Is Brian going to Cleveland with you or are you going to Virginia? Where are you going? You talked to him again, because I know you was in his closet. There's a closet after you stole all this jersey. Man, we're going to, no, we're going to Virginia. I think hopefully when Braun hits me up and lets me know where I needed to land at, then I'm going to let you know before everybody else knows. Okay, okay.

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You ain't going to tell them like business. You ain't going to tell me and God. That's it. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. That's it. Look here. Aaron Rogers, okay.

Mike McCarthy's offense, he said, Aaron Rogers said, Mike McCarthy's offense is all about quarterback timing. Rogers said he knew exactly what he needs to do in McCarthy's system. and it's about having, it's about him having his timing down with his teammates. He said, it's just the next generation of the West Coast offense. It was kind of, it went kind of billwash to kind of like Mike was doing with Paul Hackett, and then it kind of grew from there. From a real fundamental level, it's all about the quarterback's timing.

I spent 13 years in Mike McCarthy's offense. He changed some stuff when he was in done. Dallas. Am I getting an echo? He changed some stuff when he was in Dallas. It's stuff that we used to run, but he just called it something different now. Joe. Yes, sir. Now look here. I got another one for you, though. Former quarterback, former NFL quarterback, Rich Gannon, on Mike McCarthy. He said this. He said, I really feel like, he said, I really feel looking back like I wasted the first seven years in the league. I'm not going to criticize other coaches.

But if I had someone like Mike, he's talking about Mike McCarthy in the first half of my career, it would have been a lot different. He just made me a lot better player. Mike just took it to another level. He said I was almost 30 years old before I learned how to prepare for a week of football. I had blinders on for the first seven years. I wasn't exposed to that type of preparation. I owe a lot to him. The attention to details was like nothing I had ever seen.

He's head and shoulders above everyone else. Look here, man. What do you feel? What's your anticipation, man, of what you think that we're going to get from this offense, from Mike McCarthy's offense. And how do you see the improvement or not? improvement. Like, what do you see? What is your anticipation of seeing from our

offense? I'm anticipating our offense being a lot to lot better. Light years better, honestly. I just think as far as discipline-wise, us being able to establish the run game, and then with Aaron Rogers being able to hit

our receivers as far as Pitman, D.K. McHath, and our big tight ends with Fire Move and Mount Washington. I think it's going to be a balanced to split. Everybody's going to be able to execute on a high level where we're coming in and out of the huddle we're actually having people off balance everybody knows what we're doing nobody's jumping off sides so just when we see when i look at aaron rogers and i looked at green bay in the way they all this was never the problem they

were always political offense scoring points running down the field that tresscois dallas towers always had an amazing offense being able to score points and move the ball and be able to do that if our offense with the players that we have is disciplined and we're able to take those shots being able to Stay ahead of the sticks with our run game, being able to take advantage of Mount Washington and fire move in the slots. Our offense is going to be unbelievable. So I think that with Aaron Rogers being able to be that,

still be the quarterback with everything above the neck. When Tom Brady, when these older quarterbacks, you don't have to fucking be fast or quick or run around. You need to be smart. You need to know where you're going. The execution of defenses are defense, but when you know what somebody's going to do, when you're undressing them with your mom,

emotions and just being in a comfortable state, you're in attack mode. You're not worried about kind of what they're doing. They're trying to play on what you're doing. So I'm thinking with our offense, if we can just get run game established, we're not self-inflicted wounds, no pre-stap penalties, we're ahead of the sticks. It's just, look, no turnovers. Aaron Rod's not throwing over the ball. We're not just fumbling the rock.

If they do get us all, we plunk the ball, and our defense goes out there, gets us in good field position. We play field position games, kick field goes when we need them. It's just going to be execution. I see it being at a very high level. When we talk about timing, that's everything. The receivers need to be at the right spot at the right time with the quarterback.

Everybody's on the same page. You're not just working on this slant. You got to get off that slant because he expects you to be somewhere in the time you're mad. None of that juicing on the line. No, get to your spot because the ball's going to be there. So I'm just, when they're saying things,

it's coaches make players so much better because, like, you can already be a great player, but your coach is going to put you in a position to win and actually help you out. Like, some coaches don't, there's nothing that you can give me. As some cornerback coaches that I had, it's like, okay, you can tell me what to play. But, like, what's my man that played, the old safety that played corner, Coach Cartwright. Coach, what's just the corner?

He played, he was the, he played for the Steelers, and he was my coach, my first coach, his son. Oh, you're talking about Lake? Yes, Lake, Lake, Lake. How about Corny on Lake? If compared to Lake and not that's saying it, because, compared to scrap, I'm getting knowledge to where he's helping me out. I got all the game I got, but like,

damn, he's putting me in a position where, boom, Joe, look at this. When you see this three by one, he's giving me nuggets of game that other coaches just may not know. So I'm like, Mike McCarthy, you've been in here for a long time, you know nuggets, so now you and A-Rod, y'all are talking the same language.

You're telling your offensive players, everybody in this, the whole O line, the running backs, the lineback, I mean, the tight-ins, everybody, knows where we need to be, what we need to do. We're moving to the same drum. So I'm just loving everybody on the same page. And if they can do that, then yes, Mike McCarthy, you're going to have our office looking

like it was when you were in Green Bay scoring points when you were in Dallas with that Prescott. The office with him always looks good. Yeah, Joe, this is what I'm going to do, Joe. I'm going to go back to that Rich Gannon. Okay. Now, Mike McCarthy coached Rich Gannon. he was the quarterback's coach, I believe, from 95 to 98 in Kansas City.

So that was seven years into his career, as he said. And with him with Gannon, you know, crediting, you know, Mike McCarthy with basically getting him to play and understand basically defense's film study preparation, you know, a mentality of just playing the quarterback position. Yeah. And then in, what was it, 2002, 2001, 2002, that man was NFL MVP. And it was NFL MVP. Like, so again,

it goes to, you know, what, you know, Roger said, like, you know, it's an advantage of being in Mike McCarthy's system is that you have to get to the line of scrimmage with plenty of time on the play cop. So you can read the covers, You can communicate with your receivers. You communicate with your old line.

You can make your audibles. I feel like that is something that if you go back to last year, when you and I were talking and we found out that the receivers couldn't read the defense. Like, we couldn't believe that, bro. We're sitting there like that. Like, how is that possible? That's like when you play defense and you get the shallow crosser coming across and you go and you take it and you bite the cheese and you hit down on that cross.

They go hit that deep cross and they're behind you. They did right. Like, you're taught that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have to be taught that to understand that. And when it's, you know, an inability of your receivers to read coverage, it's going to handicap your offense and it's going to handicap the quarterback. You know? Yeah.

Matter of fact, I ended up calling Ben and I'm like, hey, Ben, like, if your receivers can't read coverage or defense, like, how much does that hurt you? And he's like, you know, depending on, you know, different things, he's like, it can be detrimental. And then he's like, sometimes it don't matter because of, you know, whatever is called. And how many times did we, you know, here, you know, where the quarterback is like the receiver just, we just looked at each other. Why? Hey, that's the look where he's like, yo, you see what I see because you're reading what I'm reading. I'm going to hit you and you keep going. But if your receivers can't read the defense and are being coached, how to read it, you lose the ability to improvise and add another dimension to your offense, dude.

And this is what he's talking about, like, it's timing base. And now it's a premium on mental processing, which means it's a premium on what, coaching? And now it's not just physical talents. players can have the talent all they want. But if they aren't mentally capable, the player, he can't get it done because sometimes he's not being coached how to get it done. You can have the best players in the world. And if they don't know what they're doing or how to do it, they go look average.

And I believe with the improvements McCarthy has made on the coaching staff, okay, we are going to see a greater improvement with success on our offense. because Aaron Rogers has a great understanding of the offense. And now it has to be taught to the other guys so that they have a greater understanding. And through working together, the OTAs, you know, coming into training camp to get to work, they get to work on that timing. Okay? You get to get an understanding and knowledge of everything else that he has. And now you get that look because you have players that can.

actually read what's going on. And, you know, I'm not going to lie, dude. I'm kind of excited to see how this rolls out. You know what I'm saying? And when you think about it, dude, like Pittman, I think Pittman could have the best year that he's had so far because he's a great route runner. He is a, he uses his body for positioning. He is a great, like in traffic.

He can catch that ball with his hands, you know, and he can reach. defense because he can find soft spots in zone coverage. When you're in zone coverage, your receivers, they can't keep running the same route they're supposed to run. They got to sit down because all you go do is cross with one zone. You find that hole in the zone. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, again, as you said, the usage of Fryehmuth, especially compared to what it was last year, that's going to go up. You add Washington to that. You add Mount Washington to that. And then because of those two, three guys right there, I think, D.K., go have a good year as well. Now, because you get him to get those, you know, those free one-on-one, deep-ball opportunities that allow him to use his strength, his speed, his size over them D-Bs that's trying to cover

how he manhandling him, one hand in him, all that. Like, dude, I'm, like, I'm excited to see how this office is going to roll up. Because, like you said, too, this, this, this the thing. Once they get into that film room and they start studying the tape, they got a, know what's going on. Because if they're out there thinking, that's when you start moving slow. Like, you got to know because that's what the guesswork is like, oh, no, am I sure that this is what I need to be doing?

No, no, no. We need to know what you're doing immediately because that's how you play fast. Like, when you know what you're doing, you see dudes running around quick. When you see somebody take that little hesitation step because it's like, I don't believe I know exactly where I'm going. So I'm going to still like move around with a question mark. I'm like, no, no, no. We need you to know what we're going.

Yes. Check in with A-Rob, boom, and now we're hitting it. You know what I'm saying? Like that extra, that little slack, that slow-step? No, no, no. We need y'all to know. Yes, we need you to know. We need you to be coached to know what it is that you got to do.

So that when you get out there, it's done. It's not, oh, go out there and ball out. No, motivation ain't going to say that damn thing for me. I need knowledge. I need understand. I need you to execute. Yes. Like, come on, baby.

That's what we need. Look here. I'm excited for it. Also. actual stadium has gotten a new grass surface. Precision turf announced on Wednesday that is installing Tomahaw, 31, Bermuda grass. Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that Bermuda got you. Yeah, earlier this year, Steelers' Arder, Stiller's owner, Art Rune de Second, acknowledged that the grass field, which drew an F-minus in the annual NFLPA report cards would be replaced. He also left a door open to potentially switch to artificial surface and the new version doesn't perform as intended. If the new version doesn't perform as intended. Joe, Joseph, what do you think of this?

Do you think it will help? What do you think the changing of this would do? Is this, this Bermuda Gras, Dibault, please. Is that regular grass? That's the stuff that I believe is on golf course. You should know that, right, Joe? Okay. Yeah.

I mean, I believe the grass. Do we still wear cleats? Can you still wear cleats on that? Yeah, here's the problem, Joe. I got you. I got you. Here's the problem. Please.

The biggest issue that we have is that it's too many games played on that surface, period. I don't care how many times you change the surface of that. It's not going to work. It's going to get terrible in that stadium because you have pit playing on that surface. You have us playing on that surface. And then you have the high school playoff games playing on that surface in November. Okay. So when you look at it, you got what they say, 25 games or more.

that are playing on that surface, and that's before we even get to the playoffs. Okay? So six months, you're saying, you're talking about an average of six months, something about an average of a game a week, right? Okay, when that breaks down, it's not, it don't seem bad.

It don't seem bad. But some of these games are played back to back. now you add into it weather. Okay? Weather rain. You're trying, you're talking about a surface that in like good conditions like, you know, like Carolina, like like Florida type conditions. When you play on that surface as a football team, NFL football team, it's seven days.

It could be anywhere. It could be short as three, they said, but as long as seven for the recovery of the grass. Because grass needs time to recover just like the play. It's real. It's a lie. It's strong. And that's in good weather. You're talking about August, you know, September, you know, October, early October. That's in good weather. Now you add into that bad weather, which we have a bunch of, okay? Oh, for sure. And it could take up to three to six weeks, though, or longer if you have to actually re-sod the surface, which we do a lot of residing to try and change the surface so that...

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Now, when you get into what is that, that November time frame where you got all these high school games playing on this surface, okay? The recovery time is limited. And on top of that, you got bad weather. It's November. Then you get into, what is it, December and January. They said the grass in that time because of the weather, it's not even growing.

They said it's dormant for the most part. So you're saying, you know, the damaged areas usually won't regrow until the spring, bro. And that's why they rely on replacing sod rather than waiting for it to recover because it won't recover until the spring. Until distillers have their own stadium that only they play in, this will be. a problem. It will continue to be a problem. Hell, and that don't even add the other events that they have at the stadium.

The concerts. Right. It's not going to get any better. It's always good early in the year. And then as you get through the year, you start changing from your little speed cleats to your seven studs. You start changing from your seven studs to a half inch to your three quarter inch. Damn. Yep. And you're just digging in dirt.

Why? Because everybody is tearing up the field. It's not having time to recover because there's too many things going on on the field. There's too many people playing on the field, and the field hasn't got time to recover. Plan and going to an artificial turf surfaces, that's the best thing as far as their usability of it. But as far as the health and safety of the players, it should be grass.

Yeah. Break it down. It's simple. You've got to be able to have it to where it's just one team playing in there. Pittsburgh Steelers. We shouldn't be staring stadiums with a college team and all the high school teams, plus every other event that you got going on in there. You may be able to get away with the events that you got going on in there.

You know what I'm saying? But you can't have that going on. You got 10, 12 games going on a week in November because of all these high school playoff games, and that's when it's the worst. Like, dude, we had a game where the ball just stuck into the ground when we was playing. They tried to re-side it, bro. We was playing against Miami. Punch just went, boom.

Half the ball was in the ground. The other half was sticking out. Straight up. Dibo, you were just speaking straight facts because the beginning of the season always starts. The fields are immaculate because the weather's good. You know what I'm saying? And then you start to get around the, like December, these fields are trashed. And like you said, too, when people keep playing on it, it takes time for it to recover.

When you start bringing out those seven-studs towards the end of the season, you're not lying. I play corner. and I would have to bring out them seven studs because I'm like, what I'm not going to do is slip because the grass is everybody you're playing in, some of these spots are like dirt. You know what I'm saying? So it's a money thing.

Some of it is actually sprayed green at times. You don't see it where it's sprayed green. You're like, dude, that's dirt on top of that. No, that's dirt right there. That's dirt right there. No, for sure. For sure.

It is a fact of we know like if there's too many people playing on the fields Like that that that's what messes it up. It's a living, breathing surface. It needs time to recover from what we're doing to it. And when you have multiple sports, especially the number that we have going on, you cannot give it the time that's necessary. It needs to be one team playing on it.

Pit needs to find their own place or distillers need to find their own place. The high school teams need to find somewhere else to do what they're doing if we're going to have a surface that is dedicated to the player's safety of the NFL players, which it should be. Yep. I'm with you a thousand percent. We've got to find a way to do it because like you said, when they,

it's a money thing too, Debo, when they're using those for like other events. So that's how I'm like, I understand it. But if we're always talking about end of the day, you want the best product because the main thing is the main thing. If you really want it like,

it's the football stadium for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So you want them to have the prime surface to be able to play on it all the time. So if that, does mean pit that's a big college we need to get to a stadium you know what i'm saying like the high school games the state championship we can do one in there like that's that's that's okay but i don't think we should do that either i don't think we should they should go ahead and use that at pit stadium yeah yes if pit had this pit has it but pitt's good stadium for right right you take

you get a stadium for for for them by themselves you you take all that extra stuff away and if you want to still be able to use the service to, you know, do other things, then you can find a way to try and put things down to protect it or whatever it may be. I don't know. Hey, like I said, I don't know. I don't know. Something got to give. Listen, something got to give, man.

It's about player safety, man. You need, just get two grass fields, man. You know what I'm saying? I don't. I mean, It's so difficult, Dibo. Yeah, it's not. Everybody,

acting like they don't have no bread for no grass. I mean, and like I said, I can see, like, high school level and all that. It's a big difference between trying to take care of a high school field

and what you're doing there and all that other stuff. I can see, I can see turf on that, but make sure you get good quality of turf, nothing that's going to, you know, be detrimental, you know, to the kids' health.

I can understand that. But you're talking about professional athletes. You're talking about a billion-dollar corporations. And we're talking about playing on the turf to save, you know, a couple hundred thousand or a couple million dollars

and you're talking about you're making billions. Stop it. The turf for high schools and colleges, I mean, high schools, that's because just wearing it's going to be, it'll last a lot longer. It'll last a lot longer. They'll be able to go take care of the,

take care of the grass to keep it the way. But like, we're talking about NFL, these groundskeepers, that's what they do. They're professionals to keep this grass perfect. For sure, brother. For sure. Let's go on over. hear to Cleveland, man, because it's an NFL scout that predicts Browns to start.

Shador Sanders in week one. NFL scout said, Cleveland needs to figure out what it has in Sanders. They already know what Watson is, and it hasn't been good. Even if he were to bounce back from the Achilles injury, Watson isn't a long-term option for the Browns. Personally, I think Shador would be given the starting job. They are going to need to make a decision. in the 2027 NFL draft about rather or not they need to pursue a quarterback.

Given Shador, given Sanders, a full season will be the best way to figure out that answer. Joseph. Yes. What do you, what do you think of this? What do you think about the prediction by an NFL scout? The prediction of he that he's saying is a prediction that I would, that I wanted to have. happen, my most likely scenario why would you want that to happen, Joe?

Why would I? Yeah. Because I think that I know, Deshawn Watson, he's not the future for the Cleveland Browns. We drafted Shador Sanders last season. Dylan Gabriel also. We had him, Dylan Gabriel had his chance to play.

I don't think he's going to be a starting quarterback in this league. So now we have Shador Sanders. He looked like there's a potential for him, in my opinion, to be a starting quarterback. So now, with the new pieces that we have on this team, let's in the line, let's give him a valid shot with the new coach to see if he's going to be the guy or we need to go move on and get another quarterback in the future.

Because I know Deshaun isn't going to be the one right now. I know, because from what we had in previous years. Early on, you said you thought Deshaun would be the starter, though. Because I'm saying because of the owner and because of they value, because they invested the money into him. If it's me, I've always said from my perspective, I want to. Shador Sanders to be the start of quarterback. But if Deshawn Watson is the starting quarterback,

I'm rooting for him, I want the best, and I know why they're doing it because they owe him a lot of, because they paid him a whole lot of money, and they want to get something out of their investment. And hopefully, if he's healthy, he's been doing everything the right way, so they would want to give him the shot. That's what I'm seeing. For me, I'm rocking with Shador still because he's younger.

We've already given Deshaun the money. He's already been out there to give us the opportunity. See what he can do? He hasn't, he wasn't playing that well in my opinion. So now I'm going to go with my younger, cheaper quarterback to see. What about wanting to win? What if he gives you a better opportunity to win now, you know? That's what I'm saying.

During training camp, I'm thinking that Shored. I mean, not Shadoor, sorry. I'm talking about Watson. Watson, you think he'd give a better chance to win? What if he gives you a better opportunity to win now? You know what I'm looking at it, we're still have training camp. They're still in a legitimate quarterback battle. I'm hearing what people are saying sometimes like DeShon is, oh, you're hearing

good for him one day. Then you're hearing that Shador may be playing a lot. playing better. So it's just, you know how that goes. We still got training camp. We still have, I mean, what's called off season?

Not what's, a preseason game. Preseason. So they both, training camp and preseason. So they both have to go out there and still play and perform. And I'm thinking if Shador still is doing how I think,

getting better in the pocket, making better decisions, knowing what's going on, knowing the whole entire offense, being really in tuned. I'm thinking that he's going to come out there and perform and maybe beat him out in training camp and in preseason.

So if this happens, I think Shadoo will be the starting quarterback. And then we're going to see if that's going to be the – if he's going to be the quarterback for the future. Like give him a real shot with a real line with some real weapons and a coach, Munkin, that's a good coach, let's see that that believes in him. That said that he would have drafted him before. So let me see what's going on. And then I can really give a good chance to be like, Shadoo, okay, no, you're doing good, you're doing bad. You're throwing these picks. I can really get a chance to evaluate him

with talent around him with a good team and reps. Like now I don't have no excuse for Shador not to look good. If he's making these passes, if he's just spinning around in the pocket taking unnecessary sacks,

that's on you, Shador. Wow, I'm gonna be like, dang, take a step back. You got some growing. You know what I'm saying? So I'll be able to watch the tape and see what's going on. But from last season

with the team that we had and the weapons that he was playing with, I don't want to give him another shot with some fresh weapons with a coach that believes in him and let's go see what he can do because it was only his rookie season one year you know what I'm saying now you got an offseason rookie season is a big time you're quarterback now you're learning you did everything you had to do on off season let me see what you can do so that's where I'm at with I think that should work can do it I think he will win the job but if if they were end up to go with Deshaun it will have to be because

he obviously won the job and they they paid it. So for me, personally, the way y'all are moving, in my mind, as the GM or the head coach, I would vocally say that it's a competition. Okay. I would put that out there because I don't want anybody thinking. I think Monk had said that. Right. That's what I would do. But here's where I'm at.

with the whole Chador being the starter. I'm cool with giving him an opportunity, but I'm reversed back to the thought process of where I'm going with it, is that building for the future. Okay? And that's what you guys are supposed to be trying to do. So when they first came out with this,

Watson is in the lead for being the starting quarterback. That made no sense to me, unless they were trying to motivate Sador. Now, that would make sense if you want to put that out there to motivate him to try and get some driving to him because he ain't the kind of dude that's going to curl up into a ball when the shit gets heavy. He'll go on head. He'll go out there and he'll go produce. So I can understand that concept.

But, again, you are building for the future. So you have to see what you have. That's the whole reason you traded Miles Garrett. It's so that you can start building, get draft picks for the future. So why are you trying to, you know, hold on to a quarterback that you know no matter what happens, you're not going to pay him again next year, no matter what level he plays at this year, unless he goes MVP, which you already said he is not, without saying that he's not, because you said you don't have a clear starter going into training camp.

So unless you're going to start doing round things and brown. in the process of making your decisions, you have to give one of these young guys, starting with Shador, you gave Dillon Hears, starting with Shador, and maybe even the other quarterback I told you, what is it, green over here, giving him an opportunity to see what it is that he can do. I just don't see Watson being the person that they should even give a chance to because you're building for the future. And the future is not him no matter what happens with him.

So why would I give him that opportunity unless I'm just trying to get some motivation out of my younger guys to drive them hard? That's just what I'm thinking. Devo, I think we mean you on the same page. I'm hoping at the same time, Deshaun, being a coach, if he's looking good and he's looking solid, you never want to knock down somebody that you have on your roster.

Hey, good backup, good veteran backup. Good veteran backup. It's competition. It's valid competition. So I think it's a really legit quarterback competition, but what you're saying is correct. We're building for the future. We got rid of Miles.

We drafted a quarterback in the draft, and he actually won three games out of four-fourths. So now let's see if we, let's see if he is the one. Because if not, we already are planning for the future. Let's see if this quarterback is our future quarterback, or he's not. Because we know Deshawn Watson isn't, because we already gave him the bag. And no matter kind of, 2.30, it's already gone.

I know they don't want to do that again. They're not going back through that ship. So let's see who we have on our roster, Chador and then green. But I'm thinking that should do it. Let them play. Let's see how it goes. Yeah, I'm, you know, like I said, I'm a thought probably. You know, I'm back, I'm back looking at it again.

I'm like, yo, they gassing everything up. They gassing everything up, man. Maybe, maybe Barry is just gassing it up to try and get the best out of your door. Oh, you might be traded. They're talking about trade and all this other stuff. You know what I'm saying? All this. They ain't never really talking about.

That's outside of it. I just need to put some noise out there, you know what I'm saying? Just in case, just in case, you know what I'm saying? Because you know, ain't nobody about to pick up that contract for Watson. You know what I'm saying? Maybe I'll give him some little motivation, make him think he about to get up out of here. You know what I'm saying? You got to come in here and win this thing.

I'm putting you in a spot where you got to come in here in training camp and make sure you put your best foot forward. I mean, wait. Yeah. It's going to be nice to see. But y'all still, y'all still will be you sitting, you know, day at last. I ain't going to, you know, I ain't going to lie to you about it. You know, but that's just, you know, that's the way, that's the way, that's how way it is.

But we're going to see it. Brick by brick. Brick by brick. Y'all will be getting pop or bricks. We're going to break down that division every single week. Bop, bop, bop. What are the standings? What are the standings?

I'm trying to tell you, we're going to be one. Pittsburgh stellar is going to be one. Yeah. Everything. Everything, Joe. Everything. Listen to me. I like it.

I like the still is to be one. Brown's going to be right around. Yep, right in there. What's right in there? What's right in there, Joe? We're in there. We're in there. Look, I'm not trying to put too much on my dog to do it right now.

I know he's just training. I'm trying to have us come from, you know what I'm saying, when nobody's expecting us. So that's why I'm just going, you know what I'm saying? I got you. I got you, Joe. I got you, though. This is an IHeart podcast.

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