Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers Growing Impatient with Aaron Rodgers? + Casey Hampton joins

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden are joined by Super Bowl Champion and Pittsburgh Steelers legend Casey Hampton to break down his career, favorite Steelers stories, the latest NFL news and rumors, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro11:34 - Steelers tired of Aaron Rodgers15:27 - Nick Herbig's future27:34 - Casey Hampton joins35:14 - Casey Hampton on Texas career38:30 - Big Snack nickname (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Prize Picks, it's good to be right. back to the Debo and Joe show. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. My co-host is not here today. He has some things to take care of. So I'm going this thing solo. So please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. How you doing today? Debo? I'm doing good. I'm doing real good. No, hey. So when I'm going to pop into it real quick is something real easy. That's what I wanted to let y'all know is I am 48.

Just there with my birthday. I did turn 48. But what y'all don't know is this, when I'm about to show you, ain't for old people. It used to be for old people. But it's for anybody 18 and up. And y'all need to get this. Okay? this ain't no advertising oh but i can't go that good you want to go that way yeah i'm just holding for now

i can't control this kid all right give me this what i do you know you know work with him a little bit you know it's on here turn them around hey that's not what i want to show turn that off my mic was muted that's not what i want to show turn that off we can get to that later that's not what i'm talking about we had a around thing happened right here. So I'm showing them something else. Y'all need to get one of these right here. Can you see that? It ain't for just old people.

I'm trying to tell you. It's an AARP card. Now, listen, it's cheap too now. It gets your discounts on everything. Okay? Like insurance, car, rentals, everything. Like, it ain't, it ain't just for old people. Everybody need this.

I'm trying to tell you. Like, I tell you, I'm, you know, I'm living out of the, a shack, you know, I got a one bedroom studio. Everything set up in one spot. Get all the discounts you can get from this. It ain't just for old people, 18 and older. I'm just letting y'all know that. So don't say, oh, Debo, that's for, you know, people, you know, 50 and older, all that other stuff. No, no, it's not. But I just wanted to let y'all know before we get to what they were showing you beforehand. And that was a,

me riding on James. James is my namesake. Don't show the video yet again before I tell you to. James is my namesake. He was named after me because, as Kiesel said, he didn't get a bull that was supposed to be named Diro. It's supposed to be an all-black bull, big long horns, solid black, beautiful creature. So we got James. He named James after me because, He was born on the same day. James just turned three. I just turned 48. So this right here is James and I's.

Birthday ride, my first time ever riding a horse, and his first time ever being rolled by anybody else. But Keezer, Kizzo is the only person that's ever rode him. Play it. Yes. It's a beautiful preacher. There we go. You see, Kiesel trying to hold him.

back right here you want to go that way he got the little rope right there all right you see I had give it to me I got this you know it's it is it is my first rodeo for the game what I'm saying just because I don't do it don't mean I can't do it when I go to do it you know it's real simple you know put the bridle on in you know love it's real simple you know put the bridle on and you know, lap it in his mouth, you know? Just turn that thing. It's real easy.

Cowboy. We've been riding horses for, you know, to be hot to a grasshopper, you know what I think? Yeah. You know? What I do. Turn them back this way now.

There you go. This is a dream come true for me, man, James and James. Now, listen. Kiesel was hoping, you know, he told me afterward. He was hoping that James would smoke buck in that crows. crazy and he was gonna get something good.

Come on out of your film. That's what he was hoping. That's supposed to be my BFF and that's good. You know, talking about running this. You know. Yep. That's, you know. Y'all don't know nothing about riding a horse.

And y'all want to know something. Come see me. I show you how to do it. I put it in the play for the next. I know. This is what I think, Keith. You don't understand this, Keith. I was born to be an animal whisper.

That's what I am with animal. Don't last to me. You know what I'm saying? Dogs, you talk to. That's another, that's another force. I heard the background. She was upset. She wasn't getting broke.

You communicate. So what's he's saying right now? Don't put your head down there. Go on here, get some grass. Get some grass. See? Okay, you really are whisper. Yeah, yeah.

Y'all see that. Y'all see that? Let's get a little bit of grass. little bit of grab. Hey, come back up here. That's enough. All right. Turn to you to that. See, I wanted to go and trot. He ain't, he didn't be in no trotting yet. He wasn't, he wasn't ready to open him up to do trot. So, you know, I let him, I guess, since it's still is his horse, even though it's my, my name's sake, I let him go ahead. Run it off.

Let's go. You see, I turn the thing, can you? You see, I turned the thing? Yeah, see. I saved your life. Good boy. I saved his life now. I could have made that horse run straight into him, but I turned.

You're natural, man. I guess you're my new riding partner. Yeah. When you want to go, let's go on out here across these country, by us and woods and things, you know? Hey, listen, now, listen, listen. Listen, y'all see, y'all see you, boy, he, me. I actually, I do whatever it is that need to be done.

And it don't matter if it's the first time, the hundredth time, the last time, I'm going to make it look like I do it all the time, you know? That's what I do. I do the things that need to be done. But the only reason Keizel was filming that because he thought James was going to buck me, and start acting crazy. And that's the reason he was holding on to the lead rope at the beginning

because he thought it was, it don't. It don't. That's not how to go. That's not how things transpire. I don't allow things like that to happen. And control. They feel that energy. I think I give off, I give off, you know, like that calming,

you know, just like, it's just beautiful energy. Like kids. kids, little kids, little kids like me too. Animals, little kids, and old people. They all like me. You know what that mean? I'm a genuinely good person because kids,

they don't know how to filter. Animals don't give a damn about filter and they go figure it out just from the sensing. And old people are so stuck in their ways, said, listen, I'm trying to tell you. I'm a good dude when I want to be. What I want to be is the key thing. So look here.

We're going to jump in this Stiller News. And we still talking about Aaron Rogers. I guess the Steelers, it's Distillers patience with Aaron Rogers starting to run out. So that's the headline. for today off of, what is it, Post-Cazette or something like that. After watching, what is it? They said after watching two of their expected deadlines come and go and insisting that it isn't the same situation as last year of distillers might not be so understanding

if this drags on for two more weeks. If Aaron, if Rogers hasn't given them a decision by the start of the organized team activities on May 18th. their latest deadline, their patience will start to run out into frustration and maybe something more.

Listen, I don't, why are y'all even, why do we even care what he's doing? Like, he ain't saying nothing. I mean, only reason the Stiller's saying something is because y'all keep asking them questions. I saw another article

where they were like, well, maybe they're giving Aaron a timeline or sorry, they're putting this contract in play to possibly make it to where it will force him to do something, basically to make him like, yeah, I'm not going there because y'all put this contract on me and I'm not going to do it because you're making me do it, you know, maybe go to another team. They're talking about the Cardinals, whatever it may be. My thing is this, we're not, I don't feel like we're waiting on Aaron Rogers. I feel like if he comes, it's cool.

And then that was something else. I could have swore they said he couldn't even sign until training camp started. Like, if he was to sign. So I don't, dude, I don't know this fascination with writing and trying to anticipate and guesstimate what Aaron's going to do. like he ain't said nothing. The Steelers wouldn't say nothing. If you reporters, analysts, whatever you are,

stop asking them questions. And just let it play out. That's what it's going to be. Let it play out. All this deadline stuff, like, I don't, just say y'all don't know. Y'all go figure it like, hey, you know when he knows. But right now, what we're doing is we're going to run with the team that we have right now.

All y'all writing about is Aaron Rogers. It's 40-something other guys on the team. right now. Talk about them. It's other dudes. New, brand new, 40 piece. Talk about them. Find out who the hell they are. Find out what's the possibilities of them making the team. You're writing about a dude that's going to come back for maybe one year. That ain't said nothing to give you anything to write about because y'all think it's going to give you some eyes on whatever. I'm done. I ain't saying no more about it unless he signs, when he signs. Period. let's roll with that.

Like, until then, we're going to be talking about who is there, who we want to be there, who should be there, who, or signings, all that. And now we got Nick Herbic,

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Sent the message. It wasn't a bad message. was actually a good message. He was on the, what's the dude's name? He just started a show Feehoko. What's the dude's name? He just started, he was, he was talking to, I can't think of his name. Anyway, his agent, Nick's agent was being asked a question. And, you know, he basically said that he wanted to be a stiller for life. he was speaking for, because that's what you do. That's what your agent is there for. He's there to speak for you.

That way, if anything is said, it's in representation of your agent does represent you, but he's doing what's best for you. So even though you may not want to, even though you may want to sign a deal, because you want to be with the team, your agent, your representative is there to make sure that the deal is worth you signing for. And it represents what you should represent to that team or the NFL, whatever it may be. So he said that he, quote, I fully believe if Nick was a starting full time in the league, he'd be one of the top five best edge rushers in football. That right there says it all.

He's letting the Steelers know nicely that he sees his player as someone that should be paid as a top five. outside Russia. And what is the price of that? I don't exactly know what the price of that is. But I'm pretty sure maybe I don't know. Probably in the 20s, something like that. It don't, it don't, it don't matter. The point of the matter is, he is in his last year's contract.

Next year, he is a unrestricted free agent. okay that means he's saying i want my player to be paid starter money like this reason they have not signed a deal yet they're working on a deal but they haven't signed the deal why he wants to be paid started money now you got to look at your starters you have Alex heisner he currently has two years left on his deal. And he has no guarantee money left on there. He's not an unrestricted free agent until 28. And he will be 31 at that time. So 26, he's a $20 million cap hit. 27, he's a $20 million cap hit. That's not that bad. Now, when you go to TJ, TJ has a lot of guaranteed money left

on his contract. T.J. has 26 and 27. And I don't see him going anywhere unless they could potentially like get something for him in a trade because I don't see anybody taking a $42 million cap hit in each year. So 26 and 27 is $40. $2 million each, and that is fully guaranteed. And in 28, he actually has, it's not guaranteed, but he has a roster boners that is due of $15 million on a third day of the new league season, a new league year. So I hate to say it, in all reality, I would see them releasing him in 28, along with him being, who, 34 at the time.

So I don't see, I don't see them doing that when that time comes. So where does that leave us in our ability to sign Herbert? It kind of handicaps the hell out of us, I guess, I would say. But there's a way it could get done. And I think the way it gets done is we have to look at the availability of who would want to trade for Highsmith to clear money to pay Herbic because nobody's going to take the TJ money. I see that as the only way that it's actually possible because now you get something for. you know, Highsmith, you also keep Herbic. And then looking towards the future, you got, you got Sawyer.

So now you got Sawyer coming up. And if he develops to the point of what, you know, you guys, or what we hope he could develop to, then when that time coming, what, 28, when it's time to release TJ, then he would be the person to step in. I mean, it's horrible to say, but to be able to read him up,

that's the only way I see it being possible because he's not, you know, he's not going to take, it would be crazy for him to take a deal that's less than what it would be for a starter when you could be free next year unrestricted. And to take anything less, I think it would be handicapping itself. It wouldn't be betting on itself.

If he takes less, then he's going to be stuck doing the same thing he's been doing, which is being three. You know, everybody want to talk. Everybody want to start, rather. So it's going to come down to what they feel like distillers. they feel like is more helpful to the team. So the production of what, you know, Herbic will get you compared to the production of what, you know, Alex gets you.

And then the pay of, you know, what you would have to pay, you know, Herbic and what you could get in a trade for Heistner because I just don't see anybody being able to take a 42 and both 26 and 27 and what I think TJ is already what 31 32 right now so that's where I don't know that's where I see it at but I could be wrong I don't know I'm I'm hoping they could find a way. But that was some big numbers. You got 20 there. They're going to have to give him at least, I would think, 16 to 20 at least for him, at least,

for him to consider it. I mean, it's definitely something you would like to get done, so you ain't got to worry about it later on down the line. But as the Asian said, I can. I see my client as a top five, not in the top 5%, not in a top 5%, not in a top 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. At them top 5, what is, what is, what is, is, is, is, um, Cleveland. Uh, what's his name? Joe's, Joe's home boy, y'all know what I'm talking about.

Miles Garrett, that's it. Miles Garrett. So what are he making like 45, something like that? Like 42, 40, he's making something 40 something, $40 something million dollars down. Oh, the dude in Houston, he just made like, what was it, 40 something, 40, something, 41, 42? Like, you're talking about minimum now. It's looking like 30. He's talking about 30 top five.

I mean, he ain't going to get it. I'm just saying, but I'm just, he's just letting them know, he's just letting them know where he's at, where his mind is at, and where these numbers go start at without having to, you know, get upset and say, you know, my client's leaving. He doesn't want to be here. No, of course he wants to be there. Everybody wants to spend their whole career as a stiller, you know. Some people get to do it. Some people don't. Most of them don't. But for him to, too, go and, you know, put it out there nicely. That's a nice negotiation tactic, letting them know, like, why we haven't really got any further in these negotiations on getting the extended deal for my client. Y'all not in the right ballpark for, you know, for what it needs to be, you know? I mean, all you got to do is, hell, when it's time and you feel like you need to get a little something hell, Cam did it last year. Like, yo, I need a little something more.

I feel like I don't now play what it is y'all giving me when I'm about to get paid right now. And right now, he ain't had a big deal yet. This is going to be his first time getting a, you know, a big deal. Unrestricted. And you know, like, you could easily start on at least half, if not more of these other squads because you sitting behind T.J. in highsmith.

And that's, that's a, that's a, that's a, he went, he went a long road. I think as a, what was he, a third round drive choice? To now, like, you're about to be sitting up there starting for the Pittsburgh Stillers. Eventually, hopefully. But in that process to get there, somebody got to go. Because the money ain't going, money ain't going to be spread around. enough to be able to pay for everything. And, hell, wasn't we already the highest paid defense last year?

Like, and we didn't lose much of anything, did we? But look here, I'm seeing somebody that is on, on my line right here. And this is what I want to do for y'all. Today, ladies and gentlemen, we have a former two, two-time first team, all Big 12. First team, All-American in the 99 in 2000, he was the big 12 defensive player of the year, alone with a consensus All-American, drafted in the first round, 2001 by the Pittsburgh Steelers. But then go on to be a five-time Pro Bowl, two-time Super Bowl champion.

Inducted into the Western Pennsylvania Hall of Fame in 2018, 2020 named to the Stillers all-time team in 2020, inducted into the Steelers Hall of Honor and should be inducted into the NFL Football Hall of Fame, the coldest nose tackle to ever play the game. gentlemen please welcome Casey Bick Snack Hampton to the show brother thank you for coming on

it's an honor to have you in a pleasure Hey man look here I'm gonna call you I'm gonna start calling you Debo Harvey that's how you bring that's how you bring me out of you know That's how you bring your boy out man put so your boys some love Hey baby I'm trying help I'm trying help man

Thank you for coming on baby appreciate you I'll really Where are you at? You're out, you off there in Galveston, baby? Man, I'm at the crib, man. You know, I'm in between Galveston and Houston. You know, you can't really just live at the crib. Too close.

Yeah, man. So I go out there all the time, but I'm in between Houston and Galveston. You know what I mean? Tucked off in the cut, you know what I mean? Okay. What's you got behind you right there, bro? What's that art? Hey, man, that's old Pock and Biggie, man.

That's old Pock and Bigg, because, you know, you know, Coach, Black Art. way back in the day, baby. I got a decent collection, you know what I'm saying? Coach Mitch. I got a few pieces. That's one of my little originals, man. You know what I mean? I got a few little old little olds.

You know what I mean? That looks nice. That looked nice, bro. That looked real nice, bro. I might have to, yeah, I might, which, which house that in? Houston or Galveston, which one? I want to come see you, one of them, whichever one that went in. Just come to Texas, babe.

I'm going to have to coffee. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hell, listen, man. You ain't said nothing but a thing, brother. You ain't said nothing but a thing. Hey, listen, what do you,

I want to jump into a little bit of stiller right now. You know Omar, as long as I've known Omar, actually you've been known a year longer than me because you got there a year before me. What do you think of the job he has done so far? meaning the last what two years last this year this year this year let's let's let's he he got the handles now this year with the draft I mean I think that um in a draft he got the need positions right I think we need to get we need the old line we need receiver help um I think that I think he

we definitely addressed that my only deal um is with a first round pick and I don't watch film, you know what I mean, but I know that football being played for just five years, you know what I mean? I know that's a project, you know what I mean? And just with me, I like with my first round pick, man, I want that guy to be a guy. He can definitely develop into a guy, no doubt about it. You know what I mean? He has all the intangibles, but I think it's going to be a, it's going to be work to see

how he develops and kind of see how he's going to be. But I think as a whole, man, he did a pretty good job, man. He got our need positions. And as you know, Debo, man, it all boils down to how you develop the guys. You never know what nobody's going to be until it happens. Right. So you got to have the coaches that are in those positions that could actually develop the talent that you picked up. You know what I'm saying?

I got lucky. You got lucky. You had coach Mitch. I had coach Butz. We both had coach LeBoe. You know, it was a, you know, it was a very, you know, a very, you know, a very, you know, fortunate and blessed opportunities that we fell into. You know, you just got there in the first round.

I got there just as, you know, a tag along, you know, from something else. You know what I'm saying? Brough, so you came out of Texas, right? As I talked about your accolades through that process, although that 99, 2000, at what point, dude, were you like? Experience Harry Styles live in London, England at Wembley Stadium. This is Harry Styles. IHard Radio wants to send you and a mate across the pond

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It ain't nothing they could do to stop me. I'm going first run. Debo, man, not to sound like arrogant or that, man. You can ask my boys, man. even when I went to college, man. I think coming from where I come from, we have so many guys that played in the NFL. Like, you can just look it up.

I mean, it's probably 30-some guys, some crazy number. So I was in school, like, even in, like, junior high and things like that, we had six, seven guys in NFL at one time. So most people see that as a dream or, like, it's out of reach. I've always seen that within reach. because it's always been around me.

You know what I mean? Growing up, like being in high school, like, you know, a lot of people say, you know, their kid going to be good. He's going to NFL one day. But when I'm from in Galveston, they really see them. You know what I'm saying? So they had, like, back when I was like in high school. So when I got to college, I never forget, man,

when I knew I was going to be okay, we had a guard, Dan Neal, he was an All-American, you know what I mean? He had them vice grips. You know, he, oh, I know the vice groups. Yeah, he had advice. And I remember, man, my freshman year, we started doing one-on-ones and things like that, man. And I got up in there and I worked him. And, I mean, I got up there.

I worked him. And he was like, hey, man, bring that back. Let's bring him back over here. I got him again. And I went back. I was like, hey, man, I might have to be honest with something like that. He's like, just the best they got. And he was a beast now.

You know what I ain't saying I just whipped them every day. but I just knew then that, you know what I'm saying, I might have had a little something, and I was going, I was going to get up. I was telling my boy, my boy, Cedra Woodard, we came in together. And he always told his story, man, when I went to the University of Texas,

he was like, I'm just happy to be here at Texas. And I was saying that I'm going to go first round out of Texas. He didn't, that wasn't no reality to him. You know what I'm saying? But I was really feeling that way back then, you know what I'm saying? And I can know a lot of kids say that, but I really felt that way. Okay.

Okay. mindset. It's the whole mentality of where you at, everybody. Like, yo, this is what we do. If you don't do it, then you ain't setting up to the standard that it's supposed to be. Yeah, man. I think it's different down there, I was a mile from, man. You got

you got a lot of big names, crazy names. We had some guys go first-line things like that. But, you know, we had a lot of guys go. You know what I'm saying? It's a real thing. It was a real thing down there going up when I was going up down there. Okay. Is it true that you actually led the team in

tackles as a defensive line member? For my last two years in Texas. In tackles? My last two in tackles, no doubt. Hold up for the whole team. For the whole team, man. Feebo, man.

I mean, luckily... Bro, what was your linebackers doing? Man, let me... First of all, RIP to my D. Lion coach, he just passed away. I just went to his film this past weekend by one of my best DLine coaches ever What's crazy is my D-Line coach in college and Coach Mitch, they coach together in the USS.

Shut up. Shut up. They, but crazy, ain't it? Shut up, right. What was his name? Mike Tollis. Coach Tollet, that's my guy, man. You know what I mean?

He came from LSU, came to Texas with Matt Brown, and that was my coach, man. He taught me the most. I actually had three D-Line coaches at Texas. I had him in my last three years, but it was night and day. He taught me everything, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. So he was a little bit of me. But anyway, man, I was lucky to have a great coach,

but Coach Bull Reese, my defensive coordinator, he passed away as well. But his whole thing was the linebacker's own scholarship, too. Go get the ball. It wasn't no holding nobody off, you know what I'm saying? Oh, hell no. Hell no. You know what I mean?

Hey, man, the linebacker of those scholarships. I was, hey, man, I was like number one in tackles. my boy Sean Roddy, big bag, and he was like three or four in tackles, man, we was going to get it, you know what I mean? Our linebackers, they was, they was, they was, y'all just left them boys out the dry? And they had, but they're doubling us, though.

We, we beating the double. Like, you're thinking they just letting me go? I'm beating the double, man. Like, I don't, I don't know what the boys is doing back there, man. I don't know. But I know I was getting to that ball, man. You know what I'm saying? Right.

When you have a D.C. coordinator that say the linebackers on scholarship to when he coached the linebackers. Wow. So either one or two things, man, your boy, but you got to think who my, you got me and Sean Rogers up there defense title now.

Nobody can block it. Like, you know what I'm saying? They can't blockers. Oh, yeah, Big Baby for sure. They let their big dogs eat. Man, how y'all get Big Baby and Big Snack? How y'all get them names, bro? Big Baby, man.

He just, he got his naturally because he is he was he just was the biggest baby at every level when you know what i'm saying in college man he just crying about everything what he cried about him what he cried it in everything man everybody against him is always there's always something with him man like that's just that's just him but that's the thing that makes him tick because he everything's against him he's always whining about something but he's going to do something about it oh you know what i'm saying yeah that's that's that's that's what makes him to he's just a big ass he's just a big ass baby i think and i don't even think a player named him i think maybe uh one of the one of our

home girls in college named him that you know what i'm saying that's how much of a big baby you know the big snack you know the big snack thing for me man you know kerski missed over me and he gave me the fake name man he gave me the fake big snack name they came around asking who got the craziest nickname on the team and Kerski, I guess he thought he was being funny. I wasn't around in nothing. He's going to tell the media

they call me Big Snack because I'm always eating. I'm always snacking in the meat. Wow. Chewing or that or whatever, whatever. So they come to, I'm at lunch, I'm coming out of lunch and all the media run up to me. Snack, snack, big snack.

Big snack. Big snack. Big snack. Like, what the hell is going on? You know what I'm talking about, yeah, Kerski said that your nickname is a big snack. I'll say, man, come on, man. So I really did deny it or say it was true, but after that it was a rap holder, man. They ran with it, man.

I was snack from being honest. Yeah, yeah. You can't deny a name that's given to you. That's like trying to make your own name. It don't stick. You can't make your own name stick. And you can't deny a name that's given to you either, baby. You got to, you got to take the giving to night, man.

When you make your own name, that's kind of weird. When you do your own name, that's kind of weird, you know what? That's weird. That's weird for me. Yeah, like they call me Who called you what? You just made that up. I ain't never heard them call you that.

But I don't had, what, three, four names? I don't had like, I was, I was two-day vet. Oh, yeah, two-day vet off the muscle, be, though. Hey. And, man, I'm like, this dude here, man, like, this dude, he can't tell him nothing. He just, you were just like, whatever, dude. Like, I think that comes from,

that comes from your mom. I know that you got that. No, no, that was, that was a defense mechanism, dude. I ain't want nobody to know. I ain't know what the hell I was doing. So instead of asking for help, I'm like, yeah, all right, well, whatever. Fuck you. I know what it's going to happen.

So you picked that up from Kendrell? No, I already had that in me, dude. That was like, I didn't, like, for me, and that's probably why I did so damn bad in school. Asking for help was weakness. You know, if I needed help, it was. like weakness. You know what I'm saying? I'm asking for help. I can't, I can't do this myself. Why am I asking? You know what I'm saying? It felt like weakness to me. So, so not with your boys. Oh, hell no, you better come to me ask for help. I'm, I don't teach,

none of the stuff that I learned growing up, bro, is, it's taught to my kids, man. I don't, I don't do none of that, man. I tell my kids I love them daily. My kids say they love me. The last thing I say to my kids, I love you more. Like, I'm very expressive about how I feel about them. I let them know that because when I grew up, my mom and dad didn't say it. You know, I had one time where, you know, I'm telling my dad, I'm listening to a dude. He's talking and he's talking to his parents. And he's like, yeah, you know, love you, woo, woo, I'm hearing McCray.

That was his name, bro. And I'm like, yo, that's shit cool. I'm like, I'm going to try that. So my dad go, he called. I talk to him. But, blah, blah, blah. Get off before we get off. All right, dad, love you, get off the phone. Boom. So as I hang the phone up, two minutes later, a mom calling, I'm like, yo, what's up?

You good? Like, what you mean? You good? Why? Well, your daddy told me to talk to you. Okay, yeah. You good? I'm like, yeah, I'm good.

Why? He said, you said, you know, you love him. Like, I was, you know, going to sign somebody off. I was going to kill myself. Like, something was going. Like, when you said, I love you, like, hey, that's it. Hey, I'm going to do something. Something got to get done.

I love you, but just know I love you. I got to go do this, though, you know? So that was something I didn't want with my kids do. And, you know, I'm real expressive, you know, about that. I don't hold nothing back. And if you need help with anything, like, that's my big thing is I'm trying to fix everything, bro. I don't, you know, I don't want you to struggle with anything.

And I think that might be a little bit to my, to their detriment, you know, at some point in time, you know, I had to let them be a little hard. But I'm very, like, I grew up kind of similar to the same. way and it is all about like just because we grew up the way we grew up and we're okay that don't make a lot of just get a lot of that shit right you know what I'm saying and I believe in that

man like I just man he's kids soft and his dad man I'm a love on my son yeah I don't care what you about all that hard he it's time to to teach them a lesson and be hard but man you gotta pour that love into them but they're gonna give it back man like no no doubt about it man like I believe that

whole heart of it man I hate that but you gotta it got to be back Hey, listen. They got to let them be soft. You can't, you cannot. Hey, hey, they can't, hey, listen, the softness comes, my thing is this. You better fight on the drop of a hat if somebody put their hands on you.

Zero scary. Hey, zero scary, ain't no scary, but you go be soft because you used to live in a certain way. So I know you ain't trying to stay at the three-star hotel because you're going to be looking at me like I didn't did something wrong. to you, you know what I'm saying? Not long with that, though, D'Evo, but long as if it pop off, you know what I'm saying, you're jumping off the porch. You got to be ready for it.

Like, you can't be... I don't believe in that. Like, my son, I already know, man. Don't start nothing, but you better finish it if somebody come on with it. No, listen, I don't... I don't give a damn how big he is.

Woody, Woody, listen, let him know. You throwing hands, you're throwing hands immediately, and you go keep throwing hands every day until you get a W. Bulley wants to bully. He don't want to fight for that win. No doubt about it.

And it's okay to lose, D. Right. It's okay to lose, bro. It ain't okay to run from it, though. No question. No question. No question, bro. You cannot run from it

because you go get chased for the rest of your damn life. And if it ain't by them, it's by somebody else that probably ain't even go put a hand on you, but you don't gotten to that point to where you're like, you know what,

instead of me going ahead and fighting this. I'm running, no, I ain't running from nothing. Like, I've been in a situation where I should have ran. It was a six piece. It was six on one. I should have ran. Yeah, but I didn't.

I was foolish. You know what I said? I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I said, yeah, I should have ran that time. Hey, man, what pool was doing?

What's your son doing? Man, pool of a kid. Hey, man, you got a job from trying to, I'm trying to get him off the books. Try to get him off the books, man. He's still on the payroll. He's still on payroll. No, he just graduated. He just finished college.

You know what I'm saying? He's chilling, man. Trying to figure it out, you know what I mean? To figure out what he's going to do next. Got a little finance degree and, you know, he's doing his name, man. But give him some time to figure out what he going to do next. You know, he got time. Ain't no big deal.

Ain't no rush, man. Hey, it ain't never no rush. I tell you, listen, you can stay here. I tell my kids like, listen, man, you could be a professional college student. You want to get your, you want to get your bachelor's, go get your next, go get your doctor, go get your mask. Whatever, you could be a professional college student, to you 40, babe. Like, when you keep getting a degree?

At college degree, it'll be worth shit pretty soon. Hey, I already got a plan for them. They don't even know it yet. I already got a plan. You better have something. They're going to take all the jobs. Hey, look, I already got a plan for it, brother. Look here.

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