Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers to draft a QB? Browns back Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders number change

Episode Date: March 31, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike McCarthy's comments on plans to draft a quarterback, Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslem walking back his criticisms of Deshaun Watson, Shedeur Sanders changing his number, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro05:20 - NFL Ranked QB rooms10:30 - Will Howard talks criticism17:46 - Should Steelers Draft QB24:00 - New Steelers OC Receives High Praise29:10 - Will Deshaun Watson start?38:15 - Shedeur Sanders Changes Number (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You call him Joe Uncle Paul. Oh, Lord. For short. Hey, listen, make sure you subscribe and like, download the show where you get your podcast. How you doing today, Unk Paul, Joe? I'm doing good, Debo.

But you need to get this together. If I'm getting older and age, and I'm going to accept. the unc status, whatever, I take that. I'm going to take that on the chin. But that makes you, grandpa or whatever is older than unc. Because I'm taking it.

I'm 30. You know what I'm in my 30s? I'm about to turn 37. Birthday, April 14th, smooth Aries baby. But your old ass is going to be at least grandpa now. Because you keep on Uncle Joe, starting it off the show with that.

Yeah, I'm going to let you know. Your kid's about to have kids. They're old enough to have children almost. So you're about to be a grandfather. Okay? So you keep on just notice. I'm accepting mine. You got to accept yours too.

You got to accept yours too. You being real. You man, you're being real disrespectful over there. You know, Uncstatus go from like 30 to 75. You just made that up. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Look at Chad GPT.

That's what they say. Uncstatic go from 30 to 75. The groups, there's different groups that goes. The max between a age group is about 10 years. You can't be. 30 year age gaps, that's just, that's crazy. It's different. Well, it don't make sense.

Like, because, see, I'm the youngest. I'm the youngest of 14. That's a lot of kids. Okay, exactly. So I'm the youngest of 14. I got nephews that's older than me. I got a nephew that's older than me. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's just, yeah, I don't know what to tell you about that. He's, he's, like, I said, hey, when you're all in the chat, let Joe know he's all good.

He's going to have to accept it. You know what I'm saying? I'm still, I'm still me. You know, just old, just old Debo, you know, just getting up there. It's all good. Debo, accept it. Take it. You know what I'm saying?

You already got the strong. I'm almost shaking listening to you just talk so disrespectful, man. Like, got me ready to jump in my wheel. You already got the bow head. You know what I'm saying? You let it go. So you just accepting it. I ain't let it go.

I took it away because it was cheaper to do it when I was in college because I ain't have to pay for a haircut. I could do it myself. Okay, my bad. And by the time I realized it was over with, I was 32, 30 years old and my top was light. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My top getting light, I'm accepting it.

Your top getting light, your line been pushed back for it. Wow. Wow. All right. Let's get to this. Let's get to the degree of you. Yeah, man. Look here.

The NFL, they ranked the quarterback rooms. And guess who was sitting there at 30? The Browns, trash. Yep. And guess who was right after the Browns? The Steelers. So both of our rooms looking crazy right now. That's what they ranked it.

Yep. They got, we say we got one, only one team were the worst quarterback situation than our squads, then the Braiders? And they're about to draft with the number one overall pick. They're going to get Mendoza. So their situation, they're trying to say, after the draft, we're looking like we're going to be the worst,

unless we end up doing the same thing they're about to do. No, they're tripping. They're tripping. They're tripping. We definitely better than the Raiders. They didn't even got. That's what I'm saying. And then when they get somebody,

they still. That's what I'm telling you. They put. And the Browns, like to actually have the audacity to say that they better than me. Like, come on, no, no, no, because this is what I'm telling you. It talks about this. This is this what it boils down to.

Who is the quarterback in the room? Right now, right now, right now, right now, right now, right now. No, man, hell no. Right now, right now with the Steelers. Who 29? Listen, my brother. With distillers right now, there's comparing it. All right, it's Mason Rudolph and it's Will Howard.

With the Brown's room, we got Chador Sanders, and we got Deshaunette. and we got Deshawn Watson and Dylan Gabriel. Number 29, listen, listen. I agree that. I get that. At 29, this is what I'm trying to say. That's why I'm trying to go. I had to look at. Who at 29?

Geno Smith is at 29. Geno Smith is 29. Okay. Give me 28. It's Tua Tonga-Bailua with Atlanta. Okay. And number 27 is Jacoby Brissette in Arizona. Hey, man, you calling names, bro.

Just call teams, bro. Arizona Cardinals. No, I need to give names because D. These are the quarterbacks that they're ranking over who we got in our room. They're basically saying this. Why are you just saying one name? Like, I ain't got nothing to defend it. Because I'm just trying to say, do you, do you, do you love?

Who 27, man? 27 is Jacoby Brissette, Arizona Cardinals. 26, Bryce Young, Carolina Panthers. 25, Malik Willis, Miami Dolphins. All right. All right. 24. Cam Ward.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We slightly cooked, okay? All right, until we find out what Will Howard can do, we slightly cook because my confidence in Mason Rudolph is, it ain't, I ain't going to lie, it ain't even there, dude. And you know what, we end this because we waiting on Ann Rogers. Stillers, just go and offer the man something, man, like, so we can get off the bottom of this list. The reason why we're at the bottom of the list is because we're unproven. They ain't seen what Will could do

And what you're saying And that's why I can't argue it Because we don't know what Will could do But I can't even say but So like that I think when I looked at it I was high at first

But then I'm looking I'm like the only Jacobi Brissette I mean at the bottom of this list I mean these Gino Smith Tua Jacoby Like I It's a toss up

Because with your door He didn't put up a good enough season I could just say No for sure He's better than these dudes So I think with when they said Cam Ward, they putting them at 24, he didn't have, like his offense wasn't that good. He didn't have the weapons. I'm looking at our quarterback position with the Browns, what, what do I call it?

Us, what do you want me to call it when I talk about the Browns, Debo? What did I say? You didn't say, don't say we. I think you said us. Okay. Say us then. Us with the Browns, I'm thinking we get it. That was us.

We're unproven. Will Howard's unproving. What they seen from Chador wasn't good enough. to put us over any of these other guys. So, I mean, I'm not really as mad at the list, but, you know what I'm saying? I just think we got to go prove ourselves. Everybody. Will hasn't played anything.

So how are you going to put him over guys that actually been in the game? You know what I'm saying? Have, have actual tape. And Bo Nicks at 20, Trevor Lawrence at 19. Hey, hey, stop, because they ain't go mess up that bad. I mean, I hope they ain't. I mean, I wish they had it, but they ain't. They ain't lying.

All right. I mean, I could, you know, I could accept what I can say. But, hey, Will Howard went on head, and he, you know, he addressed that people was doubting him. So the Steelers took Will Howard in the sixth round of the 2025 draft. That's what, pick 185. He was the eighth quarterback taken in the draft. Howard said at the end of the day, I'm not Will Howard, six-round pick. I'm Will Howard, Pittsburgh Stiller.

That's how I look at myself. And so I'm not viewing myself any different. Obviously, I understand that the media is going to take and say what they want to, what they want with it. But at some point, man, I'm just a player on the team. And whether I was a picked high or whether I was picked high, it doesn't matter. I still have to produce. As much as I can sit here and be pissed off about it, it doesn't matter because it happened. And it happened the way it was mined.

to happen. But now all I can control is what is going what's going forward. What's going forward? Yeah. Yes. You like that? You're cool with that?

You like that. You like that statement. You like the mindset. I love the mindset. I love the statement. Control what you can control. That's all you can do. You can do the best you can do. Will Howard can only do his best. And I say I'm putting itself in the best,

position by studying the tape, being in there all the time, knowing what everybody has to do, knowing all the checks, knowing all the routes, knowing the cadence is just being familiar as familiar as he can, as comfortable as he can, to give itself the best option to go out there and ball out. So I'm listening to him. He knows he was drafted sixth round. He was back up last year, whatever happened. He probably believes in himself, just not trying to be cocky. when I get the opportunity, I'm going to go out there and show why I play football, why I do what I do. So with me, with him, that's all you can do, Will, is it doesn't matter where you were drafted.

It doesn't matter. You're all on the same team now. First round pick, second round pick, third round pick. Once you get on the squad, we all here now, you know what I'm saying? The best man shall win the job. So all I can do is put my best foot forward, hoop out ball, and show these dudes that I can be a professional quarterback. And that's not trying to do anybody else's job.

That's coming to here knowing exactly what I have to do, knowing exactly what my job entitled, knowing when the defense's moving, knowing how to read defenses, coming to here prepared, you know what I'm saying, not looking crazy, not focused, locked in on being a professional quarterback. So I love what he's saying. He's speaking exactly what he needs to be saying, not trying to just throw out stuff and putting too much pressure on his back. He's saying, I'm coming out here.

I'm a member of this squad. I know I play quarterback. I got drafted here for a reason. So I'm where I need to be. I'm where my feet are, so I'm trying to go ball out. I love what he's saying, because that's what you will want, you got to say. I'm here.

It doesn't matter how I got here, whatever. I'm just trying to do the best that I can do, and I'm here for a reason. So I'm rocking with it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? They judging my man on college performance, man. He was a little inaccurate. He had some placement issues, high balls. A little bit of a process, and they expected him to be able to process a little bit faster

because he's an older quarterback. So that kind of lowered the ceiling, you know, as far as what they, they thought, you know, he should, where he should be or where he could get to, I should say. And then, you know, the inconsistency with, with pressure, you know, he got a little bit of happy feet moving around a little bit. But, but when the pocket was clean, he was considered a starting caliber quarterback. Okay. Okay. Okay. Joe.

Do you understand what I'm picking up what you're putting down. Now, with that being said, the first goal, an NFL football is to get there. That's the easy part, Joe. Yes. The hard part is, hey, it's staying there, baby, and he understands it. And he's saying, yo, I don't care where I was track. I'm here. So I'm not going to sit here and whine and cry and bitch about being a scy frown peg.

No. It's time to produce so I can stay here and become everything everyone said and thought I was not. He locked in. That's what he needs to be. So, you know, he's carrying a little bit of chip on his shoulder. Using that as, you know, fuel for his five. I love, I love what I'm. here. You know what I'm saying?

I was, listen, I wouldn't want it any other way. Because I used to love it when they said what I couldn't do, I was too short for, what I was too slow for. That motivated me to prove them wrong. Dude, I used to love when the stills would draft a linebacker, dude, especially at my position. A linebacker in my position, I don't care if it was in the first round, the seventh round. I, bro, I didn't care. I'm like, oh, okay, so you're trying to replace me. And I'm putting it in my head because I'm short, I'm slow.

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I don't know if they got nobody in nine I want to say maybe I don't know either but somewhere between like 9 to 10 I know they got Jason Wurles and another dude Gibson Gibson

yeah that's what it was and then the next year they backed that up with Chris Carter what year was they get what year they go get bug? They got bud, and I want to say it was like 50. I can think they got bud and chick at low and 15. And then they went, they backed that up, too, and 16 with a dude named Feeney.

Feeney, um, uh, freak. Not Freni, it was Feney. Oh, man. Travis Feeney. Matter of fact, UCLA, Bruce Davis, Chris Carter, and Travis Fienie were all UCLA. Like, yeah. And then TJ and 17, like, shoot, dude. I got to the point, like, in, I would say, like, 2000, between that 8 to 11, 12 frame,

I had to start searching for the negative. I'm like, yo, I need some motivation, man. I need to hear with somebody say, I can't do because I'm going to go out here and prove you. They're trying to get me a. Like, I love that. I love that, bro. Yo. What's up?

man, Mike McCarthy. He made a statement. And the statement was this. When I asked about the 2026 NFL drive, McCarthy said, I'm hopeful that there would be a quarterback there at the right time for us. Now, they're talking about the 26th draft. But if you go ahead and you look at the article, dude, he's not really saying he's going to draft the quarterback this year, okay?

He's saying he's hoping the quarterback is there at the right time for us, okay? he's not saying he's going to go on here and get his quarterback. Yes, he knows he needs a quarterback. Everybody knows he needs a quarterback. He knows he needs a quarterback. That quarterback, I don't think is going to be found in this draft. Matter of fact, I kind of would bet a whole lot on it that he's not going to, you know, be found in this draft. And like, when it come down to it,

Ty Simpson is the only other person that may be possibly available there. and I'm not taking him at the first. Maybe, what is it, 53? I don't know about taking him there, you know, and it's nothing more than just looking at, I guess maybe having him compete as a maybe backup against Mason Rudolph. You know, I don't know. It's a hard decision for me because it's all dependent on what's on the board.

And like we need O-line. It's other things that are more neat. But all this, dude, all this can actually be easily changed if we go ahead and just say, hey, Rogers, hand him something. We ain't even got to talk about that. We'll worry about that next year. Like, say, hey, Stilers, hey, look, start 25. He might work you up to something else, but give him something.

Give me something. Like, what do you think, Joe? I think that he's saying it like he I don't think he understands the facts that like this article wrote Will Howard is unproven and what we've seen with Mason Rudolph we don't think that he's going to be able to take us to the promised land so these are just facts everybody sees what's going on everybody knows what's going on so with will Howard I think he believes in will but he knows at the end of the day he's unproven so if there's a quarterback that we can find that falls to the right position. And Ty Simpson, if we don't like him at whatever, 20-something, maybe 53. Maybe if he's some, he probably won't go that far down.

But he's saying if somehow a quarterback falls to where we think that he can be good enough that we could take him, then we could take him. You know what I'm saying? I tell you what, if he plummet to that 70-0, we got to grab. If he does some, if it happens like what happened to Shador and he goes down to 70-something he's there, pick him. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel you with the offensive line.

If there's really, really good players that we can get to make our team solid, let's do it. If you think, though, that we do need Ty Simpson in that locker room to be able to, if Wilhoward doesn't go, we know we have a Mason Rudolph. If you need another quarterback, then if you think that he's the guy, then take him. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day- Oh, Aaron something, please. What'd you say? Let's get out of this bottom half.

That's what I'm saying. Because knowing at the end of the day, if Will Howard isn't the guy, you could still have the chance to get Ty Simpson in there, get some playtime. But if you don't think these quarterbacks are good enough at all, let's see what we can do. We'll have. We're building up our team anyway. And see whatever happens next year we know we need a quarterback, go get one. You can give up our first round draft pick. We can give up things to make sure we can get up to pick whoever we need because then we don't need all the extra picks. We don't need all the extra stuff. We got a team. We need a quarterback. Go get them. Go do what we got to do to get that guy on the squad.

I hear what he's saying. I don't think he'll reach to go get the quarterback. But with that being said, looking at these rankings, we don't have any proven commodities on our squad. So that's why it looks, we don't know. So when you're putting Will Howard against with Gino Smith, two or Jacoby, Bryce Young, these dudes have NFL snaps. They've looked good at certain times.

So it's hard to put Will Howard and or Mason Rudolph over top of him. You know who at number three? What? Cincinnati Bengals. You know how far they were far? Once, old Joey, get on on board.

Come on over here with that blacky- See, that's what I'm saying. Hey, hey, we, hey, we, we, we switching. I know you got flaco, but hey, we're switching, baby. We're switching. I'm telling you, we're coming up.

We're coming up, then. We're coming up. They're talking about the old, he said he wanted to go, younger. So I don't think we're looking at, I'm looking at the chat. They're talking about

get Flacco in there. No. That's just never, old OG. I'm going to take, I'm going to take Rogers over Flackett. Of course, but Flacko is going to be

peanutty buddies compared to that 30. You're talking about giving a hayrod. You ain't got no choice. Flacco getting paid as a backup, bro. That's why that's doable. Yeah. If he came in here,

they got to pay more than when he's getting there. As they know him back, if they're going to give him a chance, I would think if you're going to get him as a, you know, veteran, like, give him a chance to possibly stop. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not.

I'm not. I'm not. You know, off-season training camp. No, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not interested. Right. I just, I'm not interested. You, man, you're ain't, you're interested.

Man, I'm interested in Will Howard. I'm interested in Wil Howard, too. I am. I am, but, you know, I get, I started, I started feeling a certain, way being 30. They're saying stuff, and I'm just addressing with the coat. Mike McCarthy was talking about the quarterback.

No. We're talking about ties to our spot. Cool. But I'm rocking with Will. Yes. That's what I'm rocking with. Yeah, yeah. Like I said, I didn't say, I don't, yeah.

I'm rocking with Will. I'd rather rock with Will and just keep it going and say, you know what? This is what we go do. This is what we're doing. And if somebody else is there that we feel like can come in and add to the team, then we'll add them in. just say, hey, let's roll with will. We'll go see what we get.

If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. We pick up what we need next year or figure it out through the process of, you know, this year. Because Aaron ain't signed nothing. Today, put something in front of his face. If we want to get the motion going, we got to just offer him something so we can know. Yes. We're going to be sitting here.

Yes. Yes. Our new OC, Ryan Angelichel, he had some high praise from his former head coach. Kevin O'Connell. O'Connell said, Ange has a really good understanding of the run game and how to marry it together, how to marry the play action pass

and the keeper game to base, then keep your base way of running the football. He's been vital for me in the red zone over our four years together. So when you look at, rather it's situational football, early down success, and how you tie it all.

all together, he is so prepared for this opportunity and it's long over. Woo. That's what I love to hear. Dibbo. He sounds like he listens to the Dibault and Joe show. That's what it is. That's all. Listen, he had a man for four years.

I'm going to give him more. No, no, no, no. A thousand percent. But I'm just saying when I hear somebody that speak in my same language that's speaking the same thing that we try to say about the play action, about the run game, about marrying it together, about situational football, about winning it early down success. Oh my God. That's all we talk about. It sounds so simple. And it sounds like, oh, no, when you're watching the game, like, why aren't they? No, you don't understand. You have to get a rhythm going. Marrying the run game,

getting it started early, early down success, which starts second and short. You get to those third and shorts, those manageable situations where they don't know if you're going to run or you're going to pass. They can't just pin their ears back and can just come after you. You're dictating pace. So when you're running the ball down someone's throat, there's nothing they can do, but start putting more people in the box and trying to stop you. And if they can't, then you continue to do it, continue to do it. And that's when you play action them. And they're running down like, we're going to stop the run. And the ball is going over top of their heads. So when he's talking about marrying it, winning on early possessions, play action.

I'm like, oh my goodness, thank you. It sounds very simple, but this is exactly what I wanted to hear coming from Kevin O'Connell to O.C. That's speaking on his man that's just going out on another opportunity. He doesn't have to speak this highly or just say about this knowledge of what he knows, but him saying it is music to my ears. No question, brother. Look here.

He was the passing game coordinator, 2022, the 2025, okay? He stayed in the top six. He had, well, except for one year, and that was 25 in the year that was outside of the top six, but he was six, five, six, and then he was outside of that, but that's kind of understandable, considering the quarterback situation last year over in Minnesota. So I think he's just, you know, putting it out there to Mike McCarthy and, you know, saying, you know, I heard you say you go be calling the plays. So O'Connell is just saying, hey, look, you know, stole this man away from it, okay?

So don't just give him the title and name. He can do the job, but let him try and do it. He is capable of doing it. He has done it over here with me, you know, and he's just letting him know, you have someone there that can help. If you're willing to take it, and I believe McCarthy is willing to do that, because why else would he have hired him as his own seat? Yeah.

I love it. And then, like you said, too, McCarthy, I hope, like you said, hiring people, I know he wants to call the offensive plays, but knowing you're not the smartest man in the room and being able to accept stuff that somebody else says, you know what I'm saying? This is going to be like a team effort. You know what I'm saying?

You're listening to him, you're not. You don't have to go with everything he says, but knowing, I know this man, he knows what he's talking about, you know what I'm saying, and being able to have, like, collaborate. instead of just being like, no, no, no, this is the way it's going to be. So knowing that, being able to use your coaches. Yes.

Getting coaches that have the credentials, the pedigree, they show that they could do it. And like you said, not wanting to be the smartest person in the room and being able to be like, yo, it's other ways better than mine. And having a collaboration and accepting and be willingly, you know, looking to make things better and help and input from your staff. You know, and I think that's what we have here. But the Browns, Jim Haslin, he walked back his comments on this. John Watson from last year expressing optimism about his future.

He says it's not for lack of effort, okay? I mean, I don't think anybody in the organization, would question his effort, his toughness, everything he puts into the job. Deshaun has a great chance. A fresh start with an offensive-minded coach who has in the past been able to work with all kinds of different quarterbacks and make them successful. So Deshaun has a great chance to do that now. Joe, let's hear, let me tell you something, Joe, let me tell you something. Yo.

Here the Browns go. double talking again and this time it's your owner Jimmy Hasol, okay? You know what? I understand now why your boy, Andrew Barry, is, you know, I see where he's getting to him. You know, like this is, this might be a Cleveland thing, you know what I'm saying? Like he's getting, you know, when you get there, I guess it kind of getting

grained into you or something like that, you know? That's the only thing I could think of. Joe, like, why to change, you know, why to change your heart by, by, you know, Mr. Haslam, because, you know, I don't, I don't know. Maybe, hold up. Maybe it's because your GM, Mr. Berry, over there, he said all of his quarterbacks would be expected to compete for the starting job or have a chance to compete for the starting job. they're actually trying to maybe show a united front, a direction, maybe a purposeful position in here.

I know, I know, Joe, that would be like catastrophic in Cleveland just because, you know, that's the total opposite of the way that, you know, y'all work over there. But, Joe, you tell me what you think. I mean, that, I don't know. You tell me. If you give somebody $250 million, you're going to believe it. My man Jimmy has, he's going to believe in him until the wheels fall off. Well, he wasn't saying that just previously.

What did he say previously? What do he say? Well, he was kind of down on him. Okay, but now he's just seeing that he's back. He's been working. He's been rehabbing, you know? So, I mean, that's what he's saying. I don't agree.

But if I had paid him 250 and at first you would have thought, you know what I'm saying, he's not going to be able to come back. It would have looked like a big swing and a miss. Now he's been rehabbing. He's getting back right. He's looking healthy. This is from the owner's perspective. Well, I mean, when you say he's a swing and a miss.

He's swinging the miss. $250 million that you give to a quarterback fully guaranteed swing and miss. How do you go come back and just go off that? What did you say? Because he got, I mean, I don't know. He did it. I didn't do it. I'm just trying to talk for what it would look like happen.

I wouldn't have did it. The swing in the miss, he could still, the reason why he's saying it because say he comes out and balls out this year, balls out, brings the Browns to the playoffs. He's saying it could still not be all bad. I don't think it's going to happen. He's just speaking best case scenario. He's the owner of the team. He didn't want to gave him the bag.

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He ends up going out there and bawling. It could be a completely different story than him getting the whole 200 already and not really performing at all. So I think that's what he was saying. I don't, I think since DeShan Watson, when he was the real, like not the real Deshaun Watson, but he was healthy playing with Houston. That was six, seven years ago. And now the big thing that made DeShan, he could run and he could pass. He was dual threat. He could use his legs and he could throw the ball. Once you start losing that speed, that agility, he started to just become kind of a one, one trick. It's going to be. going to be more your pocket passing. You're going to have to be able to stand in the pocket.

You're going to have to be more of Tom Brady. Tom Brady could never run. He was always going to be efficient because his presence, his knowledge, and this ball placement. Once you get less athletic, when you are a running quarterback, it starts to make you have to just depend on that other part of your game, not the escapeability, but the accuracy part. So I'm looking at Deshaun like loving the death, but for me, I don't know if he's still going to be having those same type of twitchiness, that same type of movement, like RG3. Remember? He had his knee and he never wasn't able to just move the same way. Deshawn Watson, he's not getting any younger.

This is a long time in the league now. So just those injuries, him not being able to be as mobile, I don't know if he's going to be as be as successful as we saw the Deshaun Watson. That was worth every penny of the 250. So right now with me, I'm still letting Chador go there. He was the starting quarterback. I understand competing. You're going to say that.

But you're going to have to, Dechon's going to have to show us something to take the job from Chador. We give him some more weapons, some receivers, some line, give him a chance. And if he doesn't look good, you put Deshaun in there after game seven, eight. If you're short, Shadoo's not looking good and should do is not succeeding. He's out there throwing picks and just doing the same things. He doesn't look like he's making growth and reading coverages and not just retreating in the pocket. You know what I'm saying? He looks like he's poised and it's not his bad.

We're scoring, averaging 24, 25 points a game. He's throwing 270, two touchdowns. You know what I'm saying? A couple, maybe, say after eight games, we got 12 touchdowns, four or five picks. I'm okay. Boom, we're working. We're figuring it out. It's not your bad that we're losing, but we can, are people performing around you?

How's the defense plan? Has the special teams plan? It just don't need it to be strictly on him. So for me, I'm going with Shador, young, give him weapons, give him a chance for real to really go with Todd Munkin. If it doesn't work out, we still have Deshawn there to, so like, like Jimmy said, not completely fall off and swing in the miss on the 250. So we still got those two quarterbacks there, see what's happening. And then if it doesn't, we do got to go get a quarterback again.

But we've been in that situation a thousand times before. But right now we got Chador, which I like. We have Deshaun at a $43 million deal that he's like working out. He's trying to get back and see what he can do. So those two quarterbacks can get us through this season, in my opinion. So that's how I'm rocking. Okay. How do you feel about that?

How do you feel about that? Give me something. Like, I think, do you think that's it? I think, I think this is going to sound crazy because it's just crazy. But I think they're trying to show a united front here, an actual direction, you know, purpose, you know, of what it is they want to accomplish. And they're trying to put it out there.

The game is putting it out there. He's putting it out there. And, you know, to hear that in Cleveland, you know, you know, common sense ain't common anymore. And it damn show ain't common in Cleveland, you know. So to hear that and think that, you know, they may actually be trying to get something together. It's kind of confusing.

So what are you, what are you thinking? What do you think? Do you think, why do you think he made the complete 180? Do you think it's because of what I said? Listen, man, I'm thinking this right here, brother. I'm thinking maybe, you know, he's trying to see if he can't dump off your boy, dissent to somebody, see if he can, you know, put it out there. He's looking good.

He can be what it was that we thought he was going to be, you know. May they want to press some of that, you know, that guarantee off on somebody else. It's only a year left, you know. I don't know, Joe. I don't know. But, I mean, the optimistic thing for you in the Cleveland Browns is, They then got together. They said, you know what, man?

We go do this the right way. We go show a united front in the process and direction in which we're going and we're going to stick to it. You go see it. I'm saying we all go see. But it's Cleveland. It probably stumped up. Like they stumbled on this shit.

It was an accident. We're going to mess around and keep on getting this long. We just need to keep on not doing the obvious thing, which is get talent in the spots that we don't have it. Wide receiver and continue to get our offensive line right. When we have these skilled positions, running back, quarterback, I like our quarterback, we like our tight end. Defense already, we're doing good, bringing the pieces in.

Just don't start doing. Fannie's your tight end, right? Is he a tightening? I got both. We got Juckins and we got my man Fofo at Tideon who was going to be Pro Bowl. Yes, sir. So both of them, rookies, locked in. Okay.

I mean, I like him. I didn't like him when we played in. Yeah. You know, he costs me. He calls me. But, you know, as a player, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like him. Your boy, Shador, no, he's, hey, he's switching from the 12 to the two this season. The door will be wearing number two in 2026, the number he wore throughout his college.

He was career at Jackson State and Colorado. He couldn't wear two, I guess, last season because a veteran wide receiver, Carter, already had, forcing him take number 12. Carter is no longer on the team. Yo. Look here, man. What do you think is the reason he's switching to number? Because, bro, he loves number two.

Number two, what's his number? He always rock number two. He has a connection with number two. You know, look, good, feel, good, play good. He always wore it. That's his jersey. Coming in, the vet had it, and you know how that goes. But he tried to get him to pay for it.

Chador was a fifth round pick. Money looking funny a little bit. was like this, nah, that's what I'm not going to do. Man, money wasn't looking funny. He went to pay. He got all that money in Colorado. You know what he did? You know what he did?

Money wasn't looking funny. He did Debo. He just went cheap. He just didn't want to pay for it. That's what he did. He got the money. He had the money, but he was chilling. So he's like, you know what?

I'm not going to pay for that. I'm going to rock this 12. See what's up. I'm going to just make it. You know what I'm saying? That's 21 backwards. That's my dad's number. You know what I'm saying?

Pop still could be good. Then my man gets to let go. He's no longer on the team. Two becomes available. It's the number that I want. Very similar when I was in the Steelers. I won at 23. Mike Mitchell, tried to buy it.

Tried to buy it. Kept on raising the price rate. He was like this. No, no, no, I got too much attaching to it. I'm like, God, damn, Mike. So I had to go to Rob G. And buy 21 off Rob G for the low. You know what I'm saying?

Rob G looked out. So in Steelers, they weren't playing. They looked like, no, Joe, you got the bread. What's up? Rob G was like, man, give me 24. So I had to pay for 21. Next year, my good man, Mike Mitchell, loving the death, God release. So then the 23 was there.

Got the 23 for the free. I wanted 23 the whole time. This gives me Chador vibes. He wanted two. Didn't want to pay for it. Went Debo on it. Now, two came available. Gets it for the free 99.

He's happy. He's in his number. He's ready. He wanted it for in the beginning, but he wasn't trying to pay. And now he got it for free. Jersey number came open. Now he's going to be two. I feel like for the rest of his career

because it's just the number that he won it the whole time. No question. Now, listen, bro, I don't think people understand how getting that number that you bawled in, that you was a dog in can make you feel a play, bro. That's your number. And like, you've watched your whole life. You know what I'm saying?

It just, it just makes you feel like when you go into your locker and now you're playing in the NFL, you got Chador Sandin number two. Like, that's your stuff. Like, that's never going, no matter what, once you retire, you got that. Shadoa Sanders, NFL, too. Like, I wanted to switch my jersey number to when it went single digits. I wanted to have a number five.

So bad. I was like, man, just give me one more year. My 13th year, I could have went single digit. I just wanted a five, Hayden, like I wore a Florida. Oh, would have been lovely. Couldn't do it. So I understand what the numbers. That numbers mean a lot, bro.

Yeah, bro. I totally understand it 100%. Matter of fact, three, number three, and number three, I will never touch number three. Let me give you this. That's a fire number, single digit three. Br, listen, let me tell you why, bro. So I was 16 throughout my high school career, you know what I'm saying?

So I go and I switch to number three my senior year because it was a New Jersey. And I had dog mine. Mine had all kind of scar and won. Did you start with it? Marks him. 16. Okay.

16. So I go and I'm like, you know what? I'm going to switch to three because it's a brand new jersey. You know what I'm in my senior year? Yeah, yeah. I'm going to refresh all the other stuff. You know what I'm saying? I wanted to be clean because mine had war wounds on it.

You know what I'm saying? You know what happened, bro? I got suspended. Three games my senior year. Lost every scholarship offer I had except for Kent State. I could have went almost anywhere, bro. I had O. State. I had no state.

I had no. Dane, I had Nebraska, back when Lawrence Phillips was there, they wanted me for running back. Those teams wanted me for running back. It was Michigan and Michigan State. They wanted me for linebacker. Dude, as soon as I was able to get back on the field in college,

it took me two years, bro, because I tricked off two years in college. So I only got to play three years of my time in college. And back then, as soon as you hit college, your time started. So it don't matter if you was on the team or not. Your clock was running. There's no red shirt.

So my second year on the squad, I was able to get the 16, bro, I was back. I was back. Why did the three, Dee, why did the three feel like you got suspended for the three? Man, that three, that three, that three, bro, that three was dangerous. But that, listen, I ain't touch it. That, I think it was, well, I know it wasn't three, but it was a lot of self-destructs and stuff. You know what I'm saying? Hell, the two years, bro, listen to this.

This is how bad it Russ, bro. The two years that I was out, okay, my senior year, I left high school at 195 pounds. Wow. By time, I was able to play again, bro. I was 270 pounds, right? I will never forget. Okay, 80 pounds? Once I walked on, bro, 270 pounds, bro.

I never forget, bro. the first spring practice I ended up walking on. At that time, my head coach was actually Dean Peas. He was the de-coordinator for like the Patriots, the Ravens. I think it was a couple of other teams, okay? So they got us like running around the track, you know, doing the running. And then, you know, they bring you up at the end, sit you down and, you know, he'd do his talk. This is first year there.

So he just came in. So the coach that actually brought me in as a problem. problem. What's gone? They fired him. He's gone. I never even got to do anything with the team, bro. So, like, so, bro, I'm sitting there and he's going, you know, he's doing this, you know, he's doing this lines. And he hits something like, you know, if you can't do it or, you know, or if you don't want to do it, basically, you know, if you're lacking the effort, you know, we don't need you here. So, you know, you know, basically get your ass out of here, bro. And I'm sitting there. Joe, Joe, Joe, I'm walking laps.

I am so out of shape, bro. I am walking laps. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh. He's talking to me. He's talking to me. Hey, Joe. Oh, he, Joe, he talking to me. Fuck with you, man.

Hey, hey, I'm, listen, Joe, I'm looking at, I'm looking at the door like this. I'm like, I'm about to get up right now. And walk out out of this. Motherfoking, Joe, bro. I'm like, I am gone. Brough. and as I'm sitting there the thought that go through my head

I'm like you know what yeah he talked to me he's saying he's saying I can't do it he's saying I ain't even got the wind I need that negative I need that negative motivation that kicked in bro

as soon as that kicked in I'm like yeah I'm staying here I'll show you motherfuckers no wrong bro and the crazy thing is The relationship I have with Coach Pee's right now, like, it's crazy. From there on, even today. Like, I recently just talked to him probably last week, week before last. Like, and, dude, matter of fact, we got to have to get him on here.

He could tell you, dude, like, how terrible I was, dude. Like, it was embarrassing, bro. That shape that out. Bro, it took me a good, it took me a good year and a half during the two years to get back. By time I got back, I was I was 2.30, 6 and a half percent. See, he had you. You ain't going to quit on yourself, Dibbo. That's what you ain't going to do.

Br, I'm sitting there and I'm looking, bro, and I'm like, oh, God. He's talking to me. I'm about to leave. He ain't about to be just talking to me crazy. Straight up, but you was out there. You was out there walking lap. though. So you knew he was talking to you. I couldn't run, bro. After one lap, bro, my back was locked up so tight. I was out there

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