Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Are Shedeur Sanders Trade Rumors Real? + Joe Thomas on Myles Garrett Trade

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to rumors that the Cleveland Browns are open to trading Shedeur Sanders, Browns legend Joe Thomas' comments on Myles Garrett being traded, and mu...ch more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Joe Thomas on Myles Garrett trade04:21 - Shedeur Sanders trade rumors15:24 - Brandon Aiyuk posts again19:48 - Lionel Messi breaks World Cup record (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:46 We're going to check out with Cleveland saying, hey, Joe, we got another Joe. Joe Thomas. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Hey, I guess he. I guess he went on here. Hall of Fame Joe T. Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Hall of Fame. First ballot. First ballot. First ballot. No question, man. Crazy work. I guess he, you know, he went on and said that Miles Garrett, Tray was right decision. He probably did that after he talked to me and saw what I was.
Starting point is 00:03:09 You know, I think we got some sound. We got a sound? We got sound? Yeah, I mean, I think the news came out. It probably caught a lot of people by surprise. I knew there was always going to be a chance that the Browns traded Miles, just knowing the situation they're in and the valuable asset that they had. But for Cleveland fans, you know, it's tough, right?
Starting point is 00:03:28 Because for several of those seasons that Miles was here in Cleveland, he was like the one thing we got to cheer for, right? Last year, out of the playoff hunt for a long time. But it gave us a reason to be proud as Browns fans to see him chasing that sack record and to finally get it and just see the commitment that he had on the field to his team and to the city. It was incredible. So it was really hard to hear that he was traded, but it hurts everybody. that Miles is not a Brown anymore,
Starting point is 00:03:54 but I'm not willing to accept the fact that we're only allowed to think that our ceiling as Browns fans is the cheer for a player who's having a good season or breaking a record. Like, I don't want to lose sight of the fact that we're still here to try to win championships. And when you look at the Miles trade, to be able to get a great young player like Jared Verst,
Starting point is 00:04:12 who's a tremendous pass rush who's a great asset to that team, he's on a friendly contract, saving money there, getting three draft choices for Miles. first, second, and the third. Like, it puts us in a much better position for the next two, three, four years as we're in this building phase. So as you step away from the emotion of losing miles, you realize, like, this puts the team in a much better situation moving forward, and it was the right decision, even though it hurts.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Joseph, right decision, Joe, even though it hurts. I was telling you that, Joe. But listen. I was telling the Joe's, man. Joe Thomas sound like Joe Hayter. No question. We sound the same. Hey.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Joe Thomas was there during the times, and he speaks from being a Browns fan, legitimately, and a Browns Hall of Fame player. So who else to understand what he's talking about? First ballot. First ballot. First ballot. Joe Thomas is not one to play. The man was a goat in Cleveland. And so he understands what it is.
Starting point is 00:05:16 He understands from the fans' perspective and from Miles Garris' perspective. understands where the team is right now from a fan side of you being able to root for your team. You have Miles on your team, Cleveland Browns. Defensive player of the year, 23 sacks. So you always want to have the best players on your team when you're- No, because that's, you only want to have the- That's a fan. That's a fan.
Starting point is 00:05:38 That's a fan. When you go to the game, when you go to the game, it doesn't. No, no, that's not all the matter. It doesn't hurt, though. It doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. We like this.
Starting point is 00:05:47 We got miles. We got miles. Let's go score on offense. And he still gets some sacks. and we still could win, not getting rid of Miles is going to help us. Why, you didn't win? You won five games. I understand that.
Starting point is 00:05:58 I understand that, but because that's why with Joe, shut up, D-Roe. But that's why, that's why. Is you hear that I'm sorry, Joe? Yeah, I did. And your mic is right there. Your mic is right there. Oh, sorry. So when Joe Thomas says these things, he's speaking out of both sides.
Starting point is 00:06:14 He's speaking from where he's a fan of the Browns, and you see where you wanted to have Miles and what he's done for us. And then from without Miles, what we can still get. We still get versed. We still get a friendly contract. We can still get money that we can use. We still get draft picks for the future. Because right now, Miles on the team with those 23 sacks wasn't getting us nothing but those five wins that you keep talking about.
Starting point is 00:06:38 So we're going to eventually have to make a change where we can get more players. Jared Verst can fit in the line. Defense can start working offensive pieces. Draft picks can hopefully start balling in different positions that we need. that the defensive end, those 23 sacks, weren't getting us all the wins that we needed. So let's just try to get more. So in the sudden time, it sucks.
Starting point is 00:07:00 You know what I'm saying? Right. You know what else might suck, Joe? Losing a lot of games. Joe, Joe, that sucks. Y'all get used to that. That's not a problem. But you know what else might suck, Joe?
Starting point is 00:07:12 The Browns are looking at trading should door. According to ESPN Cleveland's Tony Rizzo, the Browns are getting trade calls on Shador, on Sanders. The radio host also said he believes the Browns will not enter training camp with their quarterback room as is. There are talks ongoing calls about the availability of Shador Sanders. Rizzo said before adding, I'm going to say right now, for the record, I don't think four quarterbacks are going to camp on July 28th.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Nothing is imminent, but calls are being made. Rizzo and Joe, Joe, who is this? what's up with this? Is the radio chatter reel? What's going down? Did you talk to anybody? Yahoo is saying, like, if they do look at trading, it's the Jets, the dolphins, Cardinals,
Starting point is 00:08:00 and Bucks might be Atlanta spot for my man. Joe, what's going on, Joe? Are you okay? Huh? Your Wi-Fi freeze up? This right here, Debo. Yes, I love when you do that. This is me off.
Starting point is 00:08:20 This right. here pisses me off, Debo. Why? Joe, Joe, go. Because this is the stuff I'm talking about where in the day, hopefully, okay. If it's just, if it's just radio chatter, okay. But why can't we be happy for a second that we have a quarterback? And now we're talking about trading.
Starting point is 00:08:44 We haven't even got a chance to see if you can play. We've been looking at your quarterback. Hey, Joe, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me stop. a second right here. I'm going to let you get back on it. But I just want to stop you for a second because this actually brings me back to what we were talking about just a couple days ago, Joe, how now Shador has got so much better and he's fighting for the position of starter. Was this an attempt to raise his trade stock, Joe? Are you guys, is your GM so diabolical? He would do that? Joe?
Starting point is 00:09:21 Huh? What's, Joe? What's going on, Joe? Are you okay? Joseph? Joseph? I don't know. I think it's just, I hope, I hope.
Starting point is 00:09:32 I hope it's just radio talk. I hope that it's just, just talking just because we don't have nothing else to talk about because it still preseason still as it came and they're just talking about. Because they always talk about your door. What y'all would say? And why would your ESPN, Cleveland, totally, why would he just go and say that out of nowhere, brother? Why would that be a thing?
Starting point is 00:09:59 Like, they're receiving, you don't know. Nobody's saying that about any other than they're not saying we're receiving calls about. Things come up all the time. Things come up all the time. I just hope and pray that if they really do this and the still is really, I mean, and the Browns really get rid of your door, I would lose complete faith, Debo. I would lose faith.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Just because this is the thing. Hold up, hold up, Joe. Yes. Listen, listen, you will lose complete faith, Joe? This is what I'm saying. That's supposed to be your squad. You know A1. Because this is what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Hey, your GM. I'm going to. I'm hoping this is what, I'm hoping this is not really going to happen. because if we were to end up trading Hey, Joe, hold up. Then that's one. Let me stop for a second. Hey, we crash the door.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Then I can crack on real quick. Let's say, I want to give you a second or a first for Shador. What you're doing? No. No. That's the fan hat. That's the fan hat. Take that shit off.
Starting point is 00:11:11 Why the fuck would I? Because I feel like, I feel like he's a franchise quarterback. Ooh. Hey, y'all, Joe is really pissed up. Go ahead, man. But why would that? I feel like he's a franchise quarterback. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:22 haven't gave him a chance to. I'm a dumb ass, Joe. I don't know why. I'm sorry. He can do everything. No. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Joe.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Mr. Hayden. What do you think? They give me a one or two. I'm trading as a, I'm a GM, Joe. I'm trading damn near anybody over there for a one or a two. But how do you know?
Starting point is 00:11:46 What are you going to know? This is what I'm saying? If you trade them for a one or a two, okay, are you going to go Drag this year anyway? We don't have, but let's try. I'm saying we as if I was a Browns fan. I'm the GM.
Starting point is 00:12:01 I don't already preface this. I'm GM of the Browns. That's like, hey, Barry is cooking. And right now he cooked up a story. He cooked up a story that his head coach went along with and said,
Starting point is 00:12:17 we got a controversy. Shouldaer do it in the prove so much we can't say Watson can take it we got to wait to training camp raise the stuff raise the stuff hey who won't it
Starting point is 00:12:34 Jets Miami that's what you're saying they just Jay trying to raise this I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm saying that's I'm saying like that's what it could I'm just saying this is you know me I think Joe This is what I'm trying to say with this one This one this one thing I want to ask about the Browns fans
Starting point is 00:12:51 to, right? We, if you don't think, the Browns fan, the Brownsons, if you don't think Shador Sanders is the quarterback, I under, I, okay, I, I, then, then you want to move forward, whatever. Why not give him a true valid chance with weapons around him to go out here and see what we can do? And then if this season doesn't work, then we don't have him. We drafted him. You ended up getting him.
Starting point is 00:13:17 And I thought he'd get him in the second, first round pick. We got him in the fifth round. He ended up out playing Dylan Gabriel, obviously. Dylan Gabriel got the first shot. Didn't look as good as Shador did when he got his chances. And still with Kevin Stefansky, the coaches wasn't really rocking. I think if you had somebody that's trying to give you opportunity, wants to help you out, like Cam Ward had in Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:13:39 Coaches want to succeed their players succeed. So I think with Tom Munkin now, he's going to be able to at least give him a chance to succeed. You want your players on your team to succeed. So Deshaun Watson is going to have his best chance to succeed. succeed and Shador Sanders is also going to have his best chance to succeed. Browns, we do have a quarterback. We had Deshawn there. I don't think he's going to be a guy.
Starting point is 00:13:59 But we do have a quarterback under a rookie contract with weapons that we're trying to get around him. Why not let's see what he can do? We've been drafting quarterbacks. We got green. We drafted Dylan and Shador last year. So we're going to, obviously, after this season, we can get another quarterback in the next draft if Shador isn't the guy. But why not let's see? We got him.
Starting point is 00:14:21 We have a quarterback that's been working, that's been trying to be a franchise. We had so many different quarterbacks that aren't the guy. Like, get this one a true, valid shot because he did do all that stuff in college. The quarterback that were looking to get from Texas Tech that threw for 2,400 yards, that did all of the gambling, that were looking to go get him. You're gambling. DeGener did he. Shador threw for way more yards and touchdowns to him in college.
Starting point is 00:14:46 And the only thing he didn't do was interview well. He wasn't nice to people when they asked him questions. So that's his bad thing. So get the fuck out of here. Let me see what he's talking about out here on the football field. And then if he doesn't improve on what I saw him doing last year, like the... Jordan froze up. Oh, thank.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Hey, listen, that was, listen, I'm trying to tell you all right now, Joe was in his, he was in his feeling. He in his feelings right now. I'm so actually kind of happy just because, you know, His spirit right now is not aligned with Close your eyes And you can hear the entire world Come alive 2026 FIFA World Cup is on
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Starting point is 00:21:12 His expression of those feelings could be a little less demonstrative, I should say. And I think when he comes back, we're going to have a more light. PG conversation, you know, put her GM hats on, you know, with the side of a, you know, of a fan hat for Joe. And, you know, see what's really, what's really going on. But for right now, what we're going to do is figure out, like, the Jets. Who the Jets got? The Dolphins? Who Dolphs got?
Starting point is 00:22:04 Cardinals. I mean, who they got. And then the bucks, I don't see, I don't know about the bucks. Bucks is one where they already got a dude sitting there. They got Baker-Mayfield sitting there. I don't know about the bucks. So, but the Jets, that could be a possibility. It could be a possibility.
Starting point is 00:22:21 I mean, Cardinals just, they just, they just stripped, they just ship their boy out. I just don't see anybody giving up anything in the realm of, if it's not at least a two or one, I ain't taking it. I just don't, yeah, I don't see, I don't see any of them teams giving up that, that much for him. And I'm not taking that little if I'm Andrew Barrett. So I just, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't fathom that. We'll get back to when Joe gets here. But I want, I want you all to check out the, I guess he's still the 49ers receiver. but you're still with the 49ers.
Starting point is 00:23:05 Brandon, I, you know, I can't say that man's land. I yuk or something like that. He wants everybody to know. Here we go. Check out the video. Chat. Look at this thing. Man, what's up, everybody?
Starting point is 00:23:21 I had a great father's day. And before I lay down and go to bed tonight, I just want to say, go commanders, go commander, man. Go commanders. Raise him, man. Take him. Man, fuck you talking about. Yeah, I don't know what's up with him.
Starting point is 00:23:37 And then the while, I think, George Kittle, he issued, I guess you could say warning to any teams interested in signing Brandon. We had that sound, too. Listen. The last time I saw Yuc was, call it week six, seven, or eight. I don't really know. But I used to make it a habit of mine to go out early in the morning before meetings to watch him train because he always got there early.
Starting point is 00:24:02 And I watched him run over 22 miles an hour and stop. on a dime. So he still got it. Or at least, you know, that was a year, I mean, eight months ago. So I don't really know. But yeah, you guys have fun with that, I guess. Yeah, thank you. That's perfectly put. I mean, have a lot of fun with that. All right. So have fun with that. I don't know if he was telling them, like, have fun with that information I just gave you. or it was a subliminal to anybody that may be thinking about possibly doing something to acquire him in a trade or something from the 49ers, whatever that may be. I know they said distillers, no, it's not happening. Don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:24:51 We don't do that. We're not going to do that. So for me, I would have to just stay away from it. It's just too, the behavior is just too erratic. Like, you don't know what you're getting from one day to the next. I don't know if it's just because he's trying to get out of there, trying to get them to release him or let him go.
Starting point is 00:25:18 I think it would be a better way to try and do it without you making yourself look as if you got maybe a little more going on And then what is, uh, what is necessary to communicate that I just want to get out of here. Like, with the, I don't know, it's, it's overboard. That's a, yeah, it's overboard. It's just, it's just a little overboard to try and try and get out of here. I think, especially with the last one with the, I forgot, what was it, um, uh, the belt. He was, they was going to get the belt.
Starting point is 00:25:59 I don't know What did he say? Was it the belt or the bag? The dude messed up. Which one was? What was he saying? Was he saying the dude get the belt or get the bag? They go get the bag or they got to get the belt.
Starting point is 00:26:12 It was the belt. He said bag. I think it was belt. Which one was it? I don't remember. Anyway, whatever dude wrote, it was wrong. And the understanding that I got was sort of loose canning right now, I would say.
Starting point is 00:26:35 And to acquire that to your team right now, that don't make no sense. I don't see anybody putting him in that room with the behaviors that we've seen over the course of the last few weeks, the posts, and everything else. Listen, it don't matter. But did Joe come back yet? Was that Joe? He ain't back yet? Okay. We'll go jump on over here real quick.
Starting point is 00:27:12 I guess we got a little bit of soccer. We got a record broke in World Cup soccer yesterday. So, well, football, as they call it, globally. Messy. Is that how you say it? Messy got messy and broke a record. Yeah, I guess he is now the all-time leading goal score in World Cup.
Starting point is 00:27:41 Cup history with 18 career goals. Messy has been the highest jersey sales for the last three years, over a million sold each year. Wow. Damn, I knew I should have played a difference. I knew I should have got to some soccer. Six of his, six of his 2022 World Cup jersey. So what?
Starting point is 00:28:08 Sold for seven. Six. jerseys that he had from the 2022 World Cup game sold chat chat 7.8 million dollars that boy jersey sold for more than I made my whole career right and that was in 22
Starting point is 00:28:51 listen it's going on right now man man just broke the record what them jerseys going for what them jerseys going for that jersey right there might go for 7.8 by itself let me go and talk to lessee and see how he doing
Starting point is 00:29:10 I got to figure out where he is staying and I got to get me one of them jerseys did anybody in the chat got a direct connect for my guy I need I need you know what
Starting point is 00:29:26 let me let me let me let me let me Let me talk to it right now. Hey, hey. Let me talk to it right now like I do Joe Burrell. Listen, except this time I'm begging. I'm begging. I'm begging. I'm begging.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Hey, listen, I am begging for a jersey message. Just let me get, I don't want a jersey. I want that jersey. Lino, message. I want that jersey that you just whoa. And them two goals against, what's that? Austria. I need that jersey because I'm just such a great fan.
Starting point is 00:29:58 you know and it would mean the world to me no fuck that I need that money bro I ain't even lie to you okay all right I need all that okay
Starting point is 00:30:12 7.8 and 22 this is 26 did you see what the price of contracts went to like gay man set and broke the record
Starting point is 00:30:27 now listen This is a world record. World, world, world, world. Not just world. Like, listen, they got 5.8 trillion fans or something like that, bro. It's only what, 7, 8 trillion people in the, like, they got all of them. Only people they don't got down the age, they just don't know yet. That's it.
Starting point is 00:30:51 That's it. Lionel Messi. Listen, call your boy. Hit me up. I'm going to hit you up. Whoever got contact to him, get me a contact. You say you got him on speed die? Where that? You got him on speed die?
Starting point is 00:31:11 Listen, DM me, DM me on the IG. Get us connected. Hold up. Let me check my IG right now. I think I might be able to messaging. Let me see if he hit me up yet. Chat. Y'all tagging. You're tag message
Starting point is 00:31:30 and tell him, Hey, Debo need their jersey. Tell him. Yes. Tell him Debo broke. He's down bad in these streets. Okay?
Starting point is 00:31:43 Wi-Fi down bad. We need everything we can get. Joe, hell. Joe still ain't came back. I don't even know where he at. He might need Wi-Fi too. He might need something too. I think maybe, hey,
Starting point is 00:31:58 maybe Joe ain't had like I thought he had. I don't know. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I just, who knows what's going on, man? Hold up, hold up. What we got here? Wi-Fi.
Starting point is 00:32:17 He said, he said the Wi-Fi out. All right, well, we're going to see. Call on the phone. Line O. Hit me up, though. I'm texting Joe, y'all. I'm trying to, I'm trying to get him back. Chat.
Starting point is 00:32:34 I'm trying to get him back. They said, they said, they said he got hit by a tornado. Y'all trying to, y'all trying to kill my boy. Now, you're all tripping. Hey, listen. It don't matter. Joe is in brick. Joe is in a brick house.
Starting point is 00:32:47 The big bad wolf, that boy is in a brick house. He got a basement that's two stories below normal basement. That boy got a bunker over there. I ain't even worried about it. I ain't even worry about it. Now, if you were sitting over there in Mexico,
Starting point is 00:33:07 yeah, I'm gonna, yeah, yeah, he stuck like Chuck. Stuck like Chuck without anything. going down. Look here. What I want to check out, though, is why my dude over here, Chas, what is that? Jazz Chisholm Jr. is playing second base with a blow popper.
Starting point is 00:33:33 He got a blow pocketman in the mouse? Where the picture is? We can't. Oh, my goodness. You got the picture. We can't show the video. Damn it. Damn it.
Starting point is 00:33:43 I don't think it's no different. That's green apple. That's sour apple. Blow pop. I know that. I know that right there. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart.
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Starting point is 00:34:46 From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernanda and Javari, and this is American Football, a show about soccer culture in the world. U.S. and its underdog roots. We go beyond the game to the people and the stories that make it great. A soccer game is a festival. It's not just a game. It's your culture. I took an elbow to my head, which cracked my skull. It is an American game.
Starting point is 00:35:10 The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World Cup this summer, listen to American Football as part of the MyCultura podcast, network, available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. June is Black Music Month, and on the Drink Chams podcast, we're speaking with the hottest names in the culture, like Sway Lee.
Starting point is 00:35:39 Do you realize how legendary you are? I appreciate that. I'd be seeing it, but I'm like, man, I still got, like, so much more to do. Like, Prince, he dropped like 30 albums. We dropped, like, five right now. Like, that's the rate we got to be going. Yep, that's a good attitude. You also hear stories from industry legends and hip-hop pioneers, like Fab,
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Starting point is 00:36:14 His dad introduced him to a whole lot of, you know, conscious stuff, and he made a young prodigy. No matter the era, Drink Chance brings you the biggest names and the most unfiltered conversations. Listen to Drink Chams from the Black Effect Podcasts. Network on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Mainstream media is full of cruel depictions of the unhoused, stories that shame and blame and paint the unhoused as a monolith. We The Un-House is the podcast that's changing that. I'm Theo Henderson, creator and host, and for years I've created a space where the Un-House and
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Starting point is 00:38:46 I don't know why this is a big deal. I think they chew gum and spit seeds and all that shit, right? Like, he got a... Like, they always chewing something. I don't know why this is a big deal. And I'm pretty sure he ain't sitting there just holding the pop in his mouth
Starting point is 00:39:02 while they're about to bam the ball. You got to drop his hands down and be ready to go. This is in between. This is in between pitches. I don't see no problem with it. I don't see no problem with it. Hell, you can't do that in football, though. See, the reason you can't do that in football,
Starting point is 00:39:21 you got a mouthpiece. You can't sit there at no time on the field and make like you putting something else in your mouth besides that mouthpiece. Some people don't wear one, But it's very, very, very, very, very, very few and far in between now. I'm going to tell you why. When you hit and you ain't got something in between that stopped in the teeth from banging together, that shit hurt.
Starting point is 00:39:44 Make it easier for you to get a concussion too. Far easier for you to get a concussion. And on top of it, when you don't wear a mouthpiece, I didn't wear a mouthpiece one time. I damn near bit my whole tongue off. Like the whole tip of my phone, it had a good three split teeth straight through it, I could see through that thing. I could do my tongue like this, and I could see two of them.
Starting point is 00:40:10 Like, you don't want to play that game. And see, I'll be telling my son, he'd be like, I can't, I need to be able to talk. And no, dude, listen, go get, go to the dentist, get you offended mouthpiece. That's going to stick in your mouth, and you ain't got to worry about it falling out. That way, you ain't got to sit there and pop. It ain't, no, it's going to be so hard for you to get that thing out your mouth. it's going to be easier just to sit it in there, drink water and everything else without even taking it out. That way, you don't take a chance of knocking, and you can chip a tooth.
Starting point is 00:40:41 You could chip a tooth. Like, that don't make no sense. And when it ain't fitted right, if it ain't fit it, sometimes that thing fly out. Especially if you like, you don't realize how much you grunt and scream and yell and talk. Like when you hit somebody, I didn't know it either until like they mic me up. One time I didn't know they mic me up. I ain't let them make me up anymore, though, because I was saying something crazy. I was saying some crazy stuff.
Starting point is 00:41:14 I didn't even realize what I'd be saying. Like, I wasn't a talker, but if somebody said something to me, I was going to crash out. And then if they kept talking, I was ready to go ahead and we could see after the game. Like, I had problems. That's just what, you know, that's just what happened. So, like, now when they, you know, they, well, they used to, like, tell you, like, all right, you mic, da-da-da, and I would never let them, like, no, I ain't mic, you ain't putting the mic on me. So what they would do is they would just put it in your shoulder pads. But I was always a person that I taped my own shoulder pads.
Starting point is 00:41:54 So when I came in and my shoulder pads was taped already, I'm like, yo, what is this? Of course, I peeled a jersey up and they got, out. I peel all that I peel all that up out of there They had a mic on me one time And I was saying I was saying some crazy stuff I don't remember everything I was saying
Starting point is 00:42:16 But I didn't like what I heard It wasn't I didn't realize I said some things that I said So I didn't I didn't let them mic me no more Most of the stuff they get now It's probably from somebody else's mic That they didn't heard
Starting point is 00:42:33 Or they got after that It was probably from somebody else's mic that they heard just through the echo of whatever it was I was saying. Like, I don't know. Just shit happens, you know, for other reasons that I don't know. Look here, it do not look like Joe is going to make it back. And we are already at that point to shut down. Ladies and gentlemen, chat. Chat, chat.
Starting point is 00:43:10 Y'all talking about, thank God, I'm talking about Joe on the next tail hot spot. Joe on the next tail high spot, stop it. Stop it. Do next tail even around no more, man? Oh, I know you old. You old as me, bro. I don't even know who that is, but you old as me.
Starting point is 00:43:29 I'm trying to tell you right now, bro. I'm trying to tell you right now. You are, listen. I don't know, T-Mobile, T-Mobile ain't, eh, T-Mobile ain't bad like that, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't where they are. Hey, hey, hey, listen, you're down right. Hey, Debo held a show down for so, for so. Listen, man, I'm trying to tell y'all, this ain't the first time I didn't held it down now.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Now, look here, man, it's, it's 188 in there, man. We only got 126 likes. Like, we need to see the like. Sign for you boys. And we need to get it right so, you know, we can get, Joe back and get him back up, getting, you know, get him the proper Wi-Fi,
Starting point is 00:44:15 you know? Like, what are we talking about? Well, we got, Hexan-2 dollars. He said, subscribe, or Debo go whip your ass. Hey, listen to him. Like, download, subscribe.
Starting point is 00:44:38 Listen, Jardine, hey, you, you're 100% right. That is, that Brown's Wi-Fi. You know, he can't help itself. everywhere he go. He just wants to take what he has left in Cleveland, which is horrible, bad stuff with him. Wi-Fi, I guess, is one of the things he took with him.
Starting point is 00:44:57 You know? He went on here and, like, I don't know what's going on. Y'all said he headed the Wingspot for some Wi-Fi? He added to W-N-stop for some Wi-Fi. Okay. Okay. Okay. Listen. Hey, Mike, Mike. Crazy-ass viewers.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Wow. Wow. Look here. Oh, ain't no poor Joe. Joe knew what it was when he got himself into the situation. Joe rich is a bitch. He got so much money. He got money so tall.
Starting point is 00:45:33 He makes all the, you know what I mean, fall. Look here. I'm trying to tell y'all, don't y'all feel bad for Joe. Only time y'all want to, y'all need to feel bad for Joe is when, don't never feel bad for Joe. Don't never feel bad. for Joe. Feel bad for Joe maybe when, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:45:50 When the Browns lose, I just feel so good, I don't care. You know? You know? Listen, Raider, Rader J-420, what you're talking about? He started talking about the Browns and you know God don't like it. Listen, the Browns suck. The Browns suck. He was just telling the truth.
Starting point is 00:46:14 But he was saying it in a way that was, ungodlike. You can be corrective without being demonstrative and dropping F bombs. Joseph? Joseph doesn't do that.
Starting point is 00:46:31 That's not Joe. Joe does not do that. And you know what? I know Mama Hayden was watching. He got lucky that guy saw to, hey, cut out his Wi-Fi.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Because I'm going to tell you right now, Mama Hayden probably all they're whipping his ass right now. Listen, just because you've grown, don't mean the ass whooping stop. It just means you escalate. She got to escalate. She's probably over there with a stintzor right now.
Starting point is 00:47:02 Stensich cord right now. That's probably why he can't answer the phone. She got there. He was trying to get back on the Wi-Fi on his phone because, you know, I don't know what service he got, but I'm pretty sure the phone probably would have worked or could have worked. I don't know. Joe might just, and then he's real deep underground.
Starting point is 00:47:22 But somebody didn't say a tornado came, so I don't know. Listen, we go out to check on Joe to make sure, like, he all right. Okay. So, listen, I'm just telling you, everybody know that, like, Joe is a 100% pure, un-adulterated. man, Browns fan. Okay. You can't help itself. And it's in its heart and soul.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Okay. So when you had that much commitment to a base to an organization, it hurts.
Starting point is 00:48:10 It hurts more. You know what I understand? And when you do this, and when you do this, it it brings you deeper in. And now it brings you in even deeper because you're not a part of it.
Starting point is 00:48:28 You see what I'm saying? So when you do that, you don't even have no control. So now you don't have no control and you get out of control. Joe, Joe was out of control today. I'm just saying what it is.
Starting point is 00:48:46 And to all the Browns fans, You got to understand what he said. He didn't really mean it like that. He meant it in a more constructive way than what it was presented. But he was just so distraught and upset about the situation that he couldn't form beautiful sentences that didn't have. certain things, letters, words, F-bombs flying through it. Because I know that's not, Joe. And until, you know, we get a chance to talk back to him and getting back on here, obviously,
Starting point is 00:49:44 we're going to get him up, we're going to be set up with some stiller Wi-Fi, because that Browns Wi-Fi, that it don't work. Or maybe, you know what? You got the radios. and the radios that work like supposed to like work across the country and I could get him a radio that way when that shitty-ass service he got
Starting point is 00:50:04 break down again you all can hear him and I can just put him on here on the radio and I'll give that to him when I see him next time or I may just mail it to him no I ain't going to mail it to him because then if it don't make it to him
Starting point is 00:50:18 I end up having to talk to somebody I don't even know because I ain't going to throw it away you know I ain't going to waste no money I'm just going to end up talking to somebody I don't know if they end up getting it. and keeping it. And we're just going to have a, you know, we're going to have a CB pal conversation until we don't have it no more. Or he, I don't know, I just ain't
Starting point is 00:50:37 a waste of money. So I'm just letting y'all know that. But what, you know, what I'm going to say, guys, is I want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode, Devo and Joe. We got 190 in the chat right now. We got 139 likes. We're missing. We miss in. We miss in. We missing 51 of you guys right now go ahead like that episode like this episode i want to see it go up right here with my eyes on it chat chat get on their neck exactly that's what i'm getting him i'm getting him that cb radio i'm getting him the cb radio but it's it's supposed to be like something else where it's supposed to go all the way across the country so it got a bigger it got a bigger um it got a bigger reach a longer reach so we go see we go see how i go we go see how i go okay but
Starting point is 00:51:25 I'm trying to end the show. Y'all keep talking to me, man. Y'all can't keep talking to me, man, in the chat, man. Listen. Yes. Of course, listen, it is, listen, it's not a fair fight. True statement. Me fighting, Ocho, that ain't a fair fight.
Starting point is 00:51:39 Just let it go, man, let it go. He let it go. I let it go. We'll let it go. I hope he don't say none. I really do. I really do. I hope you don't say that.
Starting point is 00:51:46 Because then that make me going to my bag. And then that make, you know, I still, I'm fighting for my life over here. You know what I'm saying? I'm just, I'm fighting for my life because I'm still trying to, I just, I'm new into this, you know, I'm newer to my walk with my Lord's Savior. So I'm like a baby into it. So I still skilled at the little red dude sitting here, you know, he, every now and then when I get into my bag or overthinking, thinking and then people say things and they, you know,
Starting point is 00:52:11 and I'm trying not to let, he, he, he's jumping in my ear. He said, here when you see it. And then I got a, I got my, I got my little, my little white guy over here, a little white suit dude over here. He's like, hey, hey, don't. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. More God-like. You got to be more godlike.
Starting point is 00:52:26 Y'all be more godlike. And it comes me down. You know what I'm saying? It makes me, okay, all right. I hear you. I hear. I understand. I respect it.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Okay. Hey. And it's a true fact. Browns do suck. I love this because can't nobody fight back to me. Chat, Brown's suck. Can't nobody fight back? Joe can't fight back.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Hey, satellite phone too. No, satellite phone costs too much. I ain't got that kind of money. Maybe I tell Joe, Joe, I don't know. I don't know no more. because he can't even get, he can't even get correct Wi-Fi. He can't even get the correct Wi-Fi. I don't even know what you want me to do.
Starting point is 00:52:59 Hey, look here, man, I got to get up out of here, though. Look at it. I want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. Joe, hey, we'll be right back here on Friday. See y'all then. Okay. Yeah.
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