Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe Part 2: Joey Porter Jr. Upgraded to 53 man roster + Browns keep 4 QBs on Final roster

Episode Date: August 31, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to Joey Porter Jr. upgraded to 53 man roster despite contract dispute, the Cleveland Browns keep all 4 QBs on final roster and Odell Beckham Jr. makes Giants 53 man roster and much more! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE and use code DEEBOJOE and get $150 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! 43:45 - Joey Porter Jr. upgraded to 53 man roster 52:10 - Browns put Dillion Gabriel on IR with a back injury 58:05 - Minnesota keeping 4 qbs 1:00:30 - OBJ makes 53 man roster 1:02:10 - Seahawks release Trevon Diggs 1:05:30 - Dolphins coach (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Steelers cornerback, Joey Porter, Jr., has been upgraded to the 53-man roster. And your guy, what's his name? Mike Flores, he said it's no surprise. He's not injured. He's simply waiting for a contract he hasn't gotten with Joey Porter, Jr. using the term, hold-in. He bypasses mandatory training camp absence fees of 50K a day. here's the news though he said once the regular season starts refusing to practice or play constitutes conduct detrimental to the team and unused and unexcused miss games um joe i'm gonna say this uh i don't know if this is over with yet but very uh smart to come back because you do have that now when

comes down to it, I don't believe personally that he plays if before the start of the season, there is not a contract in place. If it's me, what I'm going to do, it's like, yo, I'm feeling better. I'm coming back. I'm practicing. So, you know, hopefully as I start practicing, my back doesn't tighten back up. It doesn't lock back up because you got, what, 14 days before the first game starts and a lot can happen in those 14 days. So now you say,

I'm saying you're going back out to the practice field. Yes, I'm going to the practice field. Why? I need to make the 53-man roster. I need to be happy. I need to have what I get. Okay. Right.

So I'm going to go to practice. I'm going to do the practice. Okay. I'm going to be very careful as I practice, of course. But you're talking about the game is 14 days away. I haven't had any training camp work. So that's a lot of wearing tear on a guy's body that ain't had no training camp work. And you know the crazy thing is about back issues, dude.

You could look at a back on an x-ray and an MRI and be an excruciating pain. And it looks perfectly fine. And then you could take somebody such as myself as you look at the back on an MRI and you look at it and you're like, yo, you should be messed up right now. horrible, yeah, to be horrible messed up. And you can be fine. So with that being said, like, of course I'm coming back. I'm going to be there practicing and all that. But before that Saturday hit or that regular season game, if I ain't got a contract,

my back will lock up that night. I'm back going to be locked up. That's, that, that, that's, how do you think this works out? That just says what it is. Well, I'm hope. I always want to be so hopeful in these situations because when I see players like when this was happening with, when did they end up giving TJ his contract before?

Was it, was it? I don't know. I got to go back and check because I just realize, like the thing that throws me off sometimes is when you play in the league and when you know, like, some stuff is just, it is what it is. Like there's a player that's been performing, He's drafted by you guys.

He's done nothing wrong. And it's just the deal should be getting done. Like there's TJ where his obviously, he's going to reset, he was going to reset the market because his sacks, his numbers, he stayed out of the way. He was defensive player the year. All the pros and first teams. And sacks, sacks, literally the numbers put him to be in that position.

And when the team start to like just wait and hold off, it's like, guys, you know it's, it's not if but when. The contract is going to get done. It has to get done because they're going to be on the squad and they're a part of your team that you need. They don't do nothing wrong in the locker room. They're great in the community. They're great on the field. So it's just, it's time for them to get paid.

So I'm hoping that this is the way where the same thing happens where it's, I don't know why organizations seem to just, you know, like it's done. You have a dude on your squad that wants to be there that you know deserves to have the type of money. And I'm still trying to figure out Have they sent up the At least getting to the talking about it So yeah, I don't know That I'm gonna talk But I'm gonna after this episode

I'm gonna reach out after this episode And try to find out legitimately now Because when it comes to two weeks Before the games, now you want your player still team I know it is what it is You want them to practice before the season starts You've got to because even if now The contract is done

the day before the game, I'm not thinking he's going to play in that game because you just can't go straight from the street to starting in the game. Because that's not healthy for him. That's not good for the team and the long term. So it's like, we're going to need to get some type of

period of warming them back up, getting them into practice, like now in the football's shape immediately to get to play into the game. So that's around a week max to a week and a half the least amount of time. So I'm hoping that the next Saturday, that they get something done.

Because once the Steelers know, the Steelers know, and I believe that they want Joey Porter on the team. Joy Porter wants to be there. I don't think that he wants to, in my mind, I don't think he wants to reset the market. I think he wants to be compensated nicely. Around that 29, 30 million, like the 2930, not resetting the market, not 33, not 34.

30 will be good. Something around the 30 million, 29 to 30. I probably like to have a three in front of it. If we can do that at 30, then I think that the Steelers know, then we can just get that done. them quickly and then get him back out there. That's what I am hoping.

But what you're saying, Debo makes a lot of sense because I'm like, Joey Porter Jr. still doesn't want to go out there because if you risking that injury and hurting yourself, obviously, it's just not worth it. Right now you've been playing for $2 million a year for your first three seasons. Like, boom, you're about to get paid

between, like, minimum of every right? 25 to $30 million a year to play football now. This is going to be more three times more you've made in your NFL career in the first season. So it's like now you're going to be doing that. It's a real thing. So you want to get compensated now. You're going to continue to play at a high level because you know this is what you've been

playing like this since you got in. You want to do nothing better. Get all pros. Be one of the best. So now you're going to be compensated as such. So you don't want to go out there now and risk hurting yourself. And then they're looking at you like, oh, no, you got an ACL. Like it just reasons for you not to get paid.

I did these three seasons. No ACL. I played. I was on tape. Y'all saw me getting better. So I can't go out there now and risk it because it's 100% chance. I might get hurt. I've been out here these last three. I could have got hurt, but I didn't. Thank the Lord. So now was my time to get paid. Let's do something. Let's get this contract done. I'll be back out here bawling.

Right. And I'm hoping they're talking by now. I don't know. I couldn't. But at the end of the day, like, yo, I got to look out for me because worst case scenario says, I go play, I messed it up, and now you, I'm on a one-year deal somewhere. I'm on a one-year deal somewhere trying to do approve it after, you know, you know, and messed it up. No, no, we ain't doing that. I'd sit out, I'd sit out the whole year, my back beat tight the whole year before I would, you know, I would go and take a chance of playing it. And even, oh, well, you sit out a whole year, you ain't go get that kind of money no more.

That's fine. But at least I'm a no, I'm a get 25. I know that. No, I'm at least get 25. Worst case scenario. And that's where it's like the player looking like he's wilding. I'm like, no, he's not. You ain't wilding?

You're saying four years. You should play for four years. No, no, kick rocks on that because when you sign that for a year and they decide in year two, you ain't playing well enough and they want a pay cut. They don't, they ain't got no problem with that. So when that guaranteed up after that first two years, you still plan out doing the deal. Nothing. No, you signed it.

You're going to sit on this one. Yeah, y'all out of control, man. Get out of here. The Cleveland Browns, though, they placed quarterback Dillon Gabriel on injured reserve, designated him to return with the back injury. The Browns, the back eight. The Browns will carry Deshaun Watson, Adores Sanders, and rookie Tailing Green,

as the quarterbacks on their initial 53-man roster, according to the Browns, Gabriel injured his back in the Cleveland game last preseason game against the Patriots after Dylan had the best swing going on, 12-15-186, 3-tiles. According to reports,

Gabriel had pained Saturday and underwinner MRI. He will be eligible to return after the first four games of the regular season. Joe, doesn't hear, man. I ain't go last year, bro. Now, this. right here, this is not what the Browns do, though.

Because this sounds like they figured it out and said to old Dylan, hey, look here. This is what we go. We go say, yo, back, Kurt, we go put you on IR, okay, which will designate you to return, come back later. It puts you on the team. It gets you paid. or we cut you and you see what the streets have to offer. But as we do this process, listen, as we do this process, Joe, everybody out here know we're waiting to see what Deshaun can do.

And we ain't go just up and just take off from him, you know what I'm saying? But that gives us a chance to take these four games that he's on IR. and if Deshaun doesn't play well, you know what's so crazy, man, after talking to your boy, Andrew Barry, your GM, this is a smart move, man. And when I think about it, man,

it's a good job. I ain't go lie to you now. Because you get four weeks of sitting him there while you see what Watson go do. And if it don't turn out how you wanted to turn out, you say, watching you down, maybe even let him go because you ain't go use him, and then you move,

Sador to the one get Dylan the two and you still got green at three. You get four weeks to delay your actual decision. Yes. Like, what do you think going on? Evo, everything you're saying

that's going on is exactly what's going on. The Browns, my boy Andrew Barry, that man, I'm not saying we're indulging in finagery. I'm not saying that we didn't have a side deal with Dylan Gabriel. I'm not saying that. But there's a way that you can venigle,

a good way to keep full quarterbacks, and it's a way that you can't finagle and just put them all on the roster. So this is a way that we get all our quarterbacks, you know what I'm saying, Dylan looked good out there, the final preseason game, got hit, needed to get his back checked out.

Boom, wow. When do the hit happens, Joe. NFL works, M.R. Because I say, I ain't back. Need him to chill for four weeks. So now we got Deshawn on the team. We got Shodd Door backing up and we got Taylor green right there to making sure everything, let's root.

Deshaun, go crazy for the first four. You got foe? See what's up. Let's pop off. Let's make sure, you know what I'm saying, seeing what's going on. If not, Dylan's coming back. We're going to see what's up. Shador's going to the one.

Dylan to the two, Taylor to the three. You saw the whole thing. It just boom, boom, boom. That's how you get. We got our four quarterbacks on the team. We're going to see what happens throughout the season, Debo. We've got four weeks until Dylan has to come back. back. So right now we got Watson at the one, Chador at the two, Taylor Green at the three,

and we will talk and we will proceed about our quarterback situation and how it unfolds week by week. You know what I'm saying? So that's how we're rocking over here with my Cleveland Browns, you know what I'm saying, as our quarterback situation unfolds, you know what I'm saying, as it had to get down to the 53 and we had to figure out, how are we going to do our four quarterbacks? You know what I'm saying? So we was going to do it like, okay, these three are going to be on the active, okay, and then we're going to put place Dillon over here, you know what I'm saying? Because of his back, I, tight back, Dibault, super tight. Had to go get the MRI immediately after the game.

But he's going to be good. He's going to be fine. Like a little disc or something. Just a little slip, but nothing crazy, a little slip. Man, ain't nothing wrong with that man back. A man back might be tight. They didn't, they didn't went on head. They said, they seen the boy go out there and do that time.

They said, hold up. Listen, this one I'm trying to, just a nice execution. of the, you know, boom, timing, getting the ball out of your hands, getting the ball to the athletes. He wasn't doing, it wasn't no crazy, you know, deep pass. It's just boom, boom, boom, do what you got to do. Get the ball out of your hands on time, execute on time. It was not too many passes, passed deep down the field, like I would say, I'm not knocking.

I'm just telling you. Watch again. I had to go back and see. Oh, Dylan, Gabriel, went crazy. He did go crazy. That was nice. Beautiful. Boom, boom, boom.

Don't mess it up. got you. Dillon Gabriel, great pleasure. You miss it up, God. You're mad now. I'm mad because, you know, when I started thinking about it, I'm like, you know what, this ain't brown is, but, you know, I'm talking to your gym, the man's smart. So you might have went on ahead and talked to him like, hey, you want to be back out there in the streets. Bro, Demo, when you talk about, do you want to go check those streets?

See what the streets is looking like? Because I don't love you out there. Or you want to. Come over here and shit with us. You know what I'm saying? We got love for you over here. We got love for you over here, gentlemen. Drafted you in the third.

So you know it's love over here. Still. And guess who, man, listen, man, guess who else keeping four quarterbacks? Your people over there in Minnesota, they keep in Kylie Murray, Carson Wentz, what is it,

Max Brosman, Brosmer, Brozer, Bromers, and JJ. Look, JJ didn't even play in the last game. Our two squads keep a foe.

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But we got the Browns really got. Browns got three and a half. The Browns made the best one, man. I don't know. I'm not surprised that I guess they're keeping four. I'm just, I am surprised at anybody. Yeah,

I'm going to allow to you, Dbo. I've never been, I'm saying it because I'm trying to act like, I've never seen it before either. I just know it definitely isn't normal. How often do you keep four quarterbacks? Has it?

We got four teams right now keeping four quarterbacks, man. It's out of control. It's getting a little out of hand. Because then, you know, quarterback is just, is such a value position. If you don't got a quarterback, you don't got nothing. But you're taking other valuable positions that you could be feeling. Like the quarterback can't even do nothing on scout.

He can't run down on the scout. He can't do nothing on scout. Yes, he can. He can't play no offense and defense. You got three already. Your third one is doing all the practice squad reps for the to get a show. He's, yeah. Give you simulation of the other team.

You're right. He can't be a gunner. He ain't getting no reps. Zero reps at actual offense. Your three is barely touching it as it is. Your two is getting significantly less. They said we had four last year. We had four quarterbacks last year.

We had four quarterbacks last year. We had four quarterbacks last year. All right. We had no four quarterbacks on the roster. At the beginning, you might end up using up. But it wasn't. Yeah, it might end up using for it.

Ain't no way we had for it to start off. Like, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Your boy, oh, uh, your boy, O.B.J. Yeah.

He made the, uh, Diance 53 man. Yes, he did. Our boss said the former pro bow receiver would have to earn his spot. And he did just that. He had, uh, seven catch of 76 yards in the preseason season. Listen, man, you think he'll be effective over there. I'm assuming he's at least going to do whatever it is they need him to do. And I don't know what the contractual situation was.

But what do you expect for? I think he still got some speed. I saw him taking him up top on those deep posts. long as he can still run those, be able to catch the ball as a flyer going up top still. He's lost, still got that speed. And then in the red zone, just kept his hands are solid just being able to catch the ball in the red zone,

being a red zone target. And it's basically, they're not going to need him to be a one. They got them in league neighbors. Hopefully they're saying he comes back to be their guy. So just being able to be there in third downs, just being a set of hands where it's just going to be a guaranteed target for Boonex. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, they're not.

Bo. What's the, what's the, what's, what's the, the dark? You got to see, you got to see, uh, the dart. Yeah. So just making sure that dart has a third down option where he can get him to rock. Yeah. I, um, I'm just happy to see him back. You know what I'm saying? Get a chance to start where it finished where he started. I would say. And then, uh, jump over here. We go see. I want to get, I want to get to your, you do, your dude, half league though, for real, for real. But the C. I, this man, don't say that. The Seattle Seahawks, they also released former All-Pro cornerback, Trayvon Diggs. Diggs, I guess he had an interception, tackling preseason final.

Well, it wasn't enough. GM said that the team intended to keep Trayvon on the practice squad to begin the regular season as he continues to acculate. Are you surprised by this new, though? No, I'm not. The league, bro. It just comes at you so fast. and it's not for long. You got to be bawling.

And especially when you get that second contract, it's really more the DBs. You can't be getting beat deep. You got to start making tackles. You got to throw your head in there. So when you are making that bag, that accountability for you to be out there bawling and just being on top of stuff.

So I and the sky don't lie. When you get bad tape out there and you're making a lot of money, people hold you to a standard. Now they're just expecting so much, and they know it's just younger dudes that are coming in the league that are not getting paid as much that are balling out

and trying to get to that second contract. You get your Joey Porter juniors that are making $2 million a year. He's trying to get to that next deal to when you get that next deal with this, if Joey Porter Jr starts to not ball, people are instantly going, it's going to be quick. It's going to be a, he's going to probably, should he get cut from the Steelers,

should he be released, the next team that signs them, you instantly have to start balling. What is you, you might be getting paid a whole lot less. The game, once you get that first contract, they're not playing with you. It's no more you got years to develop and figure it out. No, those were when you were first coming in your first four years. Once you get that second contract, if you're not bawling, we're ready to get you up out of here.

You know what I'm saying? They're trying to find reasons, not to pay you. They're trying to find reasons not to keep you in the league. So that's why when I look at Joey, you haven't done anything wrong. You stayed out the way. You've done nothing but work hard. You're a great teammate. You're a great locker room dude.

Your performance is what it is. You're continuing to get better. Now is your time to get the bag. So now when you're getting that bag, you still have to do the same exact things that you're doing right now. We've got to get the bag first. No, no, no, that's what I'm saying.

But that's why I'm looking at the TJs, the Minka is the one. When you get paid, then you continue to do the same thing over and over again. And that's not just random. That's just who you are. So then you ball out and you keep coming in. You keep doing the same things. And that's how you get your next bag. So like with Trayvon, you got the bag.

And then your play just didn't match. It started going down. You started getting beat. You weren't getting that as 10 picks. You weren't getting picked six. Injuries. Now they're looking at you like, oh, no, we need that 10 picks. We need that six picks.

We need those PBOs. We don't need you to be getting scored on. Like, you gave them four touchdowns this season. Like, that's not what we paid for. So it instantly turns to what have you done for me lately? Your first four years in the league, you can have a little wiggle. You can get hurt. And they're like, okay, he might, he's going to be able to get he's young.

He's developing. That, okay, after that, after you get paid after what you've done for me now, you better continue that or you're getting up out of there. So that's why it doesn't really surprise me because the league don't play. What have you like, show me something now. Yeah, I'm one. Oh, yeah, I'm one and now. Yeah, there's no, there's no way.

I mean, like I said, I'm not surprised. Like, he would have had to come in there and do something spectacular to really be there, be there. Especially with everything else beforehand and then getting to where he's at now. there's no surprise. But the Dolphins coach, Jeff Haffley, says he won't measure the team's success this season. Hey, listen, listen, listen. Please, I have to see the whole thing because there we go. I can't hear it.

You tried to get my dog Hathley looking crazy. And the sound is not playing, bro. Okay, it's going to come. Oh, my goodness. Jeff Hathley was my D.B. Coach. Look here, man. Yeah. Ford of Browns.

Like, we went to the Pro Bowl together. I love Coach Hatt. Yeah. So I'm going to have to see her exactly. I want to hear exactly what he says before I go out here saying things crazy. Because I got to see it bar for bar. I got to see it bar for bar. Because it has to be context.

You got to be context. You got to be context. Because you know why we play? We play to win the game. Joe, we play to win the game. Joe, we play to win the game. win the game. I don't know what you're talking about. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, is, it's, it's, is, it's, is measured by wins and lost it. So you're telling me that if you lose all the games, that don't mean you're not successful. And that tells me if you win all the games, that still doesn't mean that you're successful and you win the championship. Like, what are we talking about here? Like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't understand what's exactly being said here, but. Because it's at the end of the, because it's at the end, because it's at the end of the day. the game it's about wins and losses debaugh yes it's 100% about wins and losses that's what gets you to the next level which gets you to the next game which gets you each win stacks into you hopefully winning a super boy at the end of the game i can understand but i'm saying if he's saying that there's going to be plenty small victories inside of the games where you play good and there might have been two three plays that

We got to get that sound because you're trying to give him too many outs right now. I'm only reason, only reason, Debo is, only reason why it is because there's no other, there's no other thing I can understand for why my man, coach Jeff Hathley would say that, because Jeff Hathley coached me and he didn't, he was when, it was, he knew like he never said this, he never said this. He never said, he said, Joe, like, it's not going to matter if you get touchdowns on you. It was. We're not going to measure your success by that.

not coach half, not coach half. I'm just saying, like you, I think you're just going to have to take my word. I guess I'm going to have to. I don't think he had any mix up of wording or had it, you know, chopped up to something other than exactly what was said. I don't think so. I mean, I could be wrong, but who knows? That was, I don't, yep.

Like, so I don't, I don't, because the, he's safe because the video. The video ain't got sound, so you say, just for now. Okay. Just for now, because when I get the full, what he said. That's like saying we safe over here with the Steelers, man. We good. We got four quarterbacks. We don't let E go.

We don't, we got, we got Deshaunette Elliott that got a comeback from IR. and on top of that row our old line. We ain't even had an old line that done played together in two consecutive preseason games. We don't even know what it looked like, man. And that's a big part of having an old line that is going to have any successes. They got to play together, dude.

They got to match together. You got to know what your guy is going to do that's playing next to you weekend and week out. And you get that over time when you get to play together weekend and week out. Practice weekend and week out. Like, I don't, I'm nervous. I'm nervous as a hooker in church, man.

So this is why the only, because the only, the question mark for us right now is, when I say us right now, I'm talking about our Steelers. Is the offensive line? Because with the offensive line, that's everything. If we don't have blocking for A-Rod, that's going to mess up our run game and that's going to mess up our past game. You talk about getting behind the sticks, if we're getting smacked on first down, that's going to set us a whole, schedule off. So we're going to need to get the offensive line big time. Like even if I don't care if they ain't got no camaraderie yet. We're going to figure out some camaraderie. Do you know what the scheme is? Do you know who you're blocking? Okay, London, we can get the, we can get the camaraderie

together, but we need you pushing people backwards. We need you moving this way instead of going that way. Let me say this. Uh-oh. We and I want to win. You'll hear it is. Oh, did they get them back? But success is not just defined by winning. Just right that's why we play the game and I guess this one wants to win and everything that we do But it's kind of like what I was just talking about before We gonna compete I want to win everything that we do I've said that over and over put at the same time We need to make sure that this foundation in the process has built the right way and like I was saying that there's no shortcuts because it's bigger than that right now And those are the things that are really important is we move this thing forward and we build and we build and we

find out who we have, what we have, because we want to get back on top. And to do that, you've got to go through some hard stuff with competing in mind to win and everything that we do, but keeping the main thing our process in the detail and the toughness and not taking any shortcuts and not flinching along the way regardless of what happens. So at the end of the year, we can look back and say,

this foundation is strong and we're not going away. Hey, Joe, I ain't going to lie to you, man. You know what that sounds like to me, bro. That sound like, hey, I've been looking at my team and we're in trouble. We're in trouble right now. And listen, if we don't win now, do not fire me because it's a process. We're building. It's a process that's going through right now and we're building.

We got to get the foundation right. So it's not just wins and losses. I'm putting it out here. I'm letting you know. Letting everybody know. It's not just wins and losses. Now, I got to build this. I got to build this.

I got to build this. Okay. Give me a chance. Give me a chance. One day. No, it was not. But listen, I'm just telling you all right now, give me a chance, give me an opportunity. It ain't going to be just wins and losses.

I understand that, but that's the most important part. 1,000 percent. It's not just 1,000. But we got a foundation that we're building. We got to, we got to see what we got. We got to get them out there, let them play, let them build together and do all the other stuff. Because right now, what y'all go get is what I'm hearing is, it ain't going to look pretty on that win loss. But we might have.

have some development and success on the inside that don't accommodate and correlate to the wins and losses. That's what I'm hearing. He's saying, hey, we're about to lose this year. Would you? See, look, hold on. I'm hearing the same thing. That's what I was expecting him to say. And I knew that he didn't just say that because he said, you play to win the game. He's not saying things that he didn't, that he doesn't not know, you know what I'm saying? And then this is what else I'm telling you, too. His roster and he's, He's the coach of the team. He wasn't able to establish all this stuff.

He didn't come there to pay in Tua, $45 million, that he's not even on their team. They're still paying Tyreek Hill. He's not on their team. They're still paying Jalen Waddle. He's not on their team. They're still paying Jalen Ramsey. He's not on their team.

So he's like this. Look, look, guys, don't shoot me because I'm trying to build some stuff here. That was y'all first started we built with straw. Because we talk about cap casualties. We got... Oh, you told me the money don't matter, Joe. No, no, no, no, look. With their team, it matters.

The Miami Dolphins, were you paying way more out of it, that's not on your team than who's on your team? You can't. You're paying a quarterback that's on another whole team $45 million. He's not even going to squad. So I'm like, okay, that sucks. You're paying Jaylon Ramsey still. Tyreek Hill, still.

So coach, my man, my good man, coach Jeff Haffley, is like this. Look at here, guys. I'm coming to build a foundation here. Y'all left me with two hands behind my back. So obviously wins and losses. Michelle, I'm going to come out here and build this product, but we need to have dudes that are on time of meetings,

even if we're losing. God damn, don't not be showing up. You know what I'm saying? I got to build this from the foundation. So that's what he's saying, Debo. Okay, it's not his bad. Coach Jeffely is a great coach. He wants to win every game.

He wants to compete. He wants to know, but he knows what's up. He's telling everybody, look, I don't have the Rams roster right now. They're over there. I got, I'm paying, I'm paying some of their players. And I'm on this for my team. This is crazy work. So he's trying to build this house with stone and not Twitch sticks.

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So you're saying he's like, hey, listen, don't look over here just yet. Because what I'm doing is putting in the foundation. You ain't going to see nothing coming up above the ground yet. I got to put it in the foundation. We've got to be built on a strong foundation. Guys, it's been going some crazy things that have been happening over here, and I'm coming to change the thing, but it wasn't built in the day.

So I'm working. The plan is to win the game, but don't expect us to win all the games yet. That's what he said. Yet. Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to win.

Okay, I got you, Joe. I guess I can work with me here while I work with y'all. But don't say that out loud. I don't want you saying that. No, no, no. That's why he was prefacing. He was like, when he's saying what we were saying, you play to win the game.

I want to win everything that we do. I'm prefacing my comment too. Let you all guys know. Trust me, where I'm trying. But sometimes if you go into a gunfight with a pencil sharpener, then you might lose. Damn, Joe, a pencil sharpener, Joe? Like, not even a knife?

A can knife. You coming there with a can knife. You coming there with a little, you know what I'm saying? Something. No armor to. You're paying the other armor. You're paying the people that you're fighting against. That's what he's saying.

You're saying he's trying to build a whole roster with half roster money. Yes. Trying to build a whole. He's saying y'all need to realize this. I got a lot of money on the books right now. And I can't put over here. Why don't he just say that, Joe?

Because it's for the team, too. He's trying to build character. He's letting them know. Y'all going to come in here every day and work your. So he's letting them know. coaching you up. Hey, listen, we might not. No, no, no, no, no, no.

But he's saying that when we come in here and we watch this tape, it's going to be, how do we end up losing this game? But were we on, what we, will we on our assignment and alignments and techniques? No, that's why we lost. We got to do better here. Okay. Okay. I mean, if that's what you're saying, Joe, but as I was saying before they ended up

getting a video back. Over here in Pittsburgh, like, they ain't keeping four quarterbacks over there at the Dolphins, is they? They got four quarterbacks too? No, I don't think so. No, no, no, no.

They just got my name. We just got a young bull from a greenback. I don't, I'm just stuck on getting rid of you. Yeah. They threw you off, man. Holding on the four. Plus,

plus, don't forget. You got, be expecting Queen to be coming downhill that's all I'm expecting I'm expecting to come downhill

I'm telling you I'm expecting to come downhill but I'm just saying and I need her purposes of getting rid of E landing to anchor we need to get some anchor come on man

I need some anchor if it's me I would switch up I would put I would have E my first no I'm just saying I would have E as my first

and second down guy and switch him at the position and put P at the where I mean put a queen where P. Dub is and had them as my first or second down depending on

you know formation and personnel and all that and then when it came to more of a passing situation yeah have Queen and P. Doug. But with P.D. Well, what Queen is getting paid, Queen is getting paid. He's supposed to He's paid as our main full-time first and second, third-down backer.

Pete up. Right. I'm not saying taking him out. I'm saying Pete up would be sitting down. Okay. Okay. Versus first and second run type stuff. And then you would have Queen and E in there.

And then when it came to more of a past set type situation, then you would have Pete up and Queen in there. Queen will always be in there. No, no, I feel you. I'm just saying switch the best. So he would be playing both insides. Nope. I hear you.

That's, well, that's just the way I'm looking at it just from what I'm seeing. No, as far as what we've seen over the last year. Yeah. Right. I do. I'm a little distraught. Yeah. Like, I feel you, D'Bow.

I feel you. I'm just, I'm just expecting them to do. what they said. I'm hoping that they do it. I know, I know. I'm really hoping that they do it. That's what I'm saying. But if I'm going from recent history and what we have seen, what does that tell me?

Like that's what that was our issue. We had an issue with people running the rock on us. And it can't all be, you know, put on the D lines. Some of it can be. But when it come down to it, as you start, you go back and look, I started to have to go back and look. And I'm like, yo, like some of that stuff I'm seeing, like, it's just misread. Like, why are you even moving that way? in this, you know, this reader that you're getting from the offensive line,

I don't make no sense to me or some of this stuff. Oh, you're right. You're right. But that's the good part where the season is about to get ready to start, Debo, and we are going to be looking at plays. We look at plays. Hopefully we get all 14 days of an offensive line that is the offensive line that will be playing together

in the first regular season game against Atlanta on the 13. So hopefully all that can be meshed together a whole lot better than it has been. I just, yeah, I don't know, brother. Let's check these super chats. We got Nate Griffin. What is that, a one or a three or R? Is that an I, R, three R?

I don't know what it is. Two dollars. Said, Debo come, no. Debo, come back. The muscles ain't for show. These muscles for show now, Nate. Four. Hey muscle for show here.

This all I do is show them. For sure. For show. They for show. They for show. I can't get out there. Joe been working out today, though. Y'all might want to talk to him about it.

Like, Joe, Joe, Joe, been out there. Yeah, I did. He been, he been working out. So. Yeah. Rocked up. Like, what you do to Jay, Joe? What you do?

I did chest today. I did chest and tries. Oh. Oh, okay. I was making sure because it didn't look like you touched him. I did the joint. And I'm laying down the bar. Chest joint and then, oh.

Boom. It's called trice extension. Yeah, the chest joint wearing. No, no, no. But I got the bar, though. I got the bar. I'm doing the bar bench, and then I'm putting it behind all the way behind my head.

That's called something else. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You got the name. Yeah, they ain't called nothing else, man. That's called it's called the tricep extension. I know you're trying to call it something else. It ain't.

But you don't know what it is. That's all this, too, Joe. Listen, muscles are for show. I can't come back. I'm 48 years. So I'm close to 50. Then I am anything else. If I came back out there, I'm going to mess around, hit somebody, and I don't know what's going to happen.

I just feel like my bones. You know how you see, like they do that sports science where you had somebody hit or they be doing the M. M.A. where the dude kicked and they show his bones cracking and stuff. That would be me. That's what I feel like that. That would be going on. Cool, bro.

Brittle bones. My goodness. Man, listen. A.D. is 35 years old. Okay, I paid until I was 39, okay? You want me to come back at 48? No, sir. Deepa, that's crazy.

That's crazy. That's your diabolical. Look here. We got J.B.216. Two dollars said, Joe always ripping the land. You know what time it is, J.B. 216. Go cast, go brownies. Don't know about from.

Look here. Mike, Mike, back. I mean, Agron. We got Mike, Mike, man. He back with $5. He said, what up, D. Bo and Joe. Between the four quarterbacks on the Steelers and the four on the, I guess he's saying the rounds, which four would y'all pick from the eight?

You go, Joe. A-Rod, Drew, Shador, and Will. Said it again? No, I'm going to go. A-Rod. Say it again. A-Rod, Shad, Drew, and Will. I think Deshawn's better,

but it's just if I'm bringing in, I'm putting contracts involved and everything. That's what I'm saying, because I'm just paying them peanut-bodies right now. Say that again. I said I'm involving contracts, too. I understand. I'm saying the names, man.

You heard me. I'm not going to say it no more time. No, I'm saying. Because you, I couldn't, could you, I'm trying to, like, No, your turn, Debo. I said mine three times. Who are your quarterbacks?

A-Rod, Drew, Oler, Shador. You say I put my people first. See, I'll put my people first. I put A-Rod because I think A-Roy is just the best quarterback out of. Right, right, right. So you want to put them in order? No. No. Oh, you don't?

I don't actually Huh? Matter of fact, sure. It's not a regular. Yes. Let's put them in order. How would you put them in order? You first.

I already know what you're going to do. Go ahead. I'm going. A.Rot. Howard. Aller, Shador. Where are you at? I'm going.

A.R. Then I'm going. Will. then I'm going Shador, then I'm going I'm going, I'm going, I'm going I'm going, A-Rod, Drew, okay.

Shador will. Just for right now. Just from what I've seen with the I test. I don't know what Drew. Drew looking for his, he's looking pretty good right now. You go put, you go put, you go put, you go put, you go put, you go put, you go put, you go put

Shador in front of, in front of Howard, just from the eye test, the eye test would tell me that that might not be right. I like the way that Shadour can throw the ball downfield. like the way Will can too, but Drew Aller just won't, I don't know, his release and just the way he moves in the pocket, it looks quarterback. It looks good quarterback to me. It looks really, it looks, it looks nice. Okay, okay. We got 50 pesos. Carlos, is that average? I can't see the end of that one. What's that? Is Carlos something? I can't see the end of that one. What's that?

It's Carlos something. I can't see the dot dot. Let me look on my phone. Hold on. Carlos Alvisu 7044, 50 pesos, said, hey, Dibo, I heard your interview with Alabarrolo and Archero. Oh, they're talking about the, the, the, uh, the, uh, you're talking about the, um, the, uh, the, uh, Stiller's Mexican broadcast. Oh, okay, yes.

That's why I'm horrible on that name. Yeah, yeah. He said, good to hear you and Joe will be coming to Mexico in the coming years. Yes. Joe, we in Mexico sometime within the next couple of years.

Two to three, you are maybe sooner. We don't know. We've been having some conversations. You know, with the Stiller, Mexico. whole thing. So in May, it may, you know, the international, it may

happen a little sooner, Joe. You know, man. I've been my passport has been hidden since, but you know I'm always down, especially if I'm going with you. Then I, you know what I'm saying? I know. I know you know people out there too. So

if you know already. You know, you can't, you can't go nowhere without me. Hey, Joe, I roll with a, I roll with a whole security team. Uh-huh. Yep. I roll with three trucks. I got one I mean, one in the front. Is this just when we out the country? Hey, listen, listen. I'm telling, this is only out of the country. Yeah, it's only out of country. Yeah, it's only, okay. Because, you know, I ain't going to lie to you, man. It's, you know, it's a little dangerous over there in Mexico City now. You know, you get, you get, it's

possibility of you getting, you know, grabbed up or something, you know what I'm saying. I might have to get fault. I might have to get fault, you know what I'm saying. I ain't going to lie because I can't communicate if you get me. That's what I'm saying. So I don't even know what's going on. So I don't even know with the offer you. That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? I can't get got. I might have to go one in front, back, left and right.

You don't got to be outside. Like, yeah, we ain't got to be outside too much unless everybody, unless we just know where exactly we're going. Stillers fans. Yeah, I'm going to need at least 20, 20 body guards. Everybody got ARs. Full swap gear. I'm going to need all that, man, because, you know, we got to make sure we can get to our

Stiller fans over there, man. And because you know what else, Debo? But it's a bunch of haters over there that want to snatches, you know what I'm saying? It's some haters over there. We come in peace. You know what I'm saying? That's the thing. We come in peace.

You know what I'm saying? We come in peace into parties. Trying to vibe. That's it. Tequila. Repo. Just a little repo, nothing crazy. One.

I ain't drinking nothing but straight. Straight. Straight. No water, no ice, no nothing. What's you drinking? Hey, and make sure you drink bottle of water, bro. Oh, factual. They ain't about to mess me all the way up, D, Bo. They got me. I'm not really, I got me to you.

Got you with a look. Hey, it got me. It was just a little bit of ice that melted in the glass, and I dumped the ice out, and I went on head and poured the drink thing. I got, it got me. Well, hey, Joe, I was, I was locked up on that plan. I told you about that, man. Yeah.

It was by the grace of God, I made it to the bathroom. Got to. be more careful. Yeah. Oh my goodness, bro. Look here. All right, man. Well, we go be back here tomorrow.

Tomorrow. Yes. We will be back here tomorrow. And that's September, start of the month. First day of the month. First day of the month, man. I got to go,

it's the first of the month. Oh, man. I got to get my checking something, something. Bones, all that stuff, you know what I'm saying? Leave y'all. Yeah, yeah. No, that's what I'm higher.

You know what I'm saying? I can't help. I'm boned thug type of you, you know what I'm saying? Y'all go out of, forgive me for that. But look here, Joe, we want to thank y'all for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe, like, like, like, like it up, like, subscribe, and download, download, download, download, put it on automatic download. Spotify, automatic download.

So you don't miss nothing. Eyeheart. So you don't miss nothing. Nothing. Okay. We're going to see y'all tomorrow. First of the month, same time, same place. Let's get it. And we out. How are you doing today, Joe? Let me tell you something, Debo. Debo, is my time real quick.

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