Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe Part 2: NFL 3 strike rule for Dangerous hits + Lamar Jackson talks scrambling last season

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

NFL Legend James “Deebo” Harrison & former Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback Charlie Batch react to the NFL puts in a new rule for players trying to return to college, the NFL puts in a 3... strike rule for dangerous hits, and Lamar Jackson says injuries were why he ran less and much more! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE and use code DEEBOJOE and get $150 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! 40:55 - NFL 3 Strike Rule for Dangerous Hits 49:50 - Lamar Jackson on running less 1:00:50 - Vinod Khosla's Seahawks Introduction Goes Off the Rails 1:03:55 - Bengals fans (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:38 They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The NFL, though, had another thing come out. So starting with the 20206 season, the NFL will focus,
Starting point is 00:02:55 discipline on field rules, violations. They are more likely to result in injuries that are more likely to result in injuries. So what they did is now, if you get any of these hip drop tackle, horse collar tackle, launching, hit on a defenseless player, blind side block, any player who commits three of these offenses, sorry, three of these five offenses during any one season. So you do it three times in any one season, you're going to get suspended for one game. This right here is wild to me because the, you're going to get suspended.
Starting point is 00:03:37 The hip drop, that's the one that I have a real problem with is the hip drop. Because you know how hard it is to hip drop somebody do. Like, I know you ain't, you ain't made no tackles. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you hope not to make, right. Hope not. Yeah, yeah. So, like, like, the possibility of being able to, like, purposely do that is hard.
Starting point is 00:03:59 And, like, what happens when the actual penalty that they called shouldn't have been called. Like, where the ref got it wrong. Like, can you, you know, go and review that and say, okay, that was wrong? You know, like, that's the thing that, are you going to add that into it? How many times have you not, well, especially for defensive players, how many times have you not been fined or penalized in the game? and then later Monday comes and everything's good.
Starting point is 00:04:38 And then you hit that Wednesday because that's when all the fines come through. And now you got an envelope in your locker for a fine for a penalty that it didn't call. And it's reviewed by whoever it is reviewed by later on the tape. And they're like, yeah, that's a penalty that we, you know, we should have called. We didn't catch it. And here's your fine. Like, I just watched the Cleveland game where the receiver, he got lost. lucky though and he didn't get his legs caught up but the dude wasn't trying to hip dropping even
Starting point is 00:05:07 though he did hit kind of hip dropping but he was getting dragged dude he's not trying to hip dropping he's trying to get him down through the process of making the tackle like like what do you feel like like about this rule like is this a is this a good rule I can understand some of the stuff but the other like the hip drop is the thing that I have the biggest problem with No, I'm with you, and I think that's the toughest one to defend. And this is not the rule of what it was 20 years ago when the rule was put in place because of the way that Roy Williams, the safety for the Cowboys, was tackling. That was his signature move.
Starting point is 00:05:48 And it wasn't until he did that to Terrell Owens. And Owens actually broke his ankle and missed those games and returned for the Super Bowl that season. That's why the rule was in place to eliminate that particular play. But if you're just going in on a natural football move, and this play is going to occur more sideline to sideline than anything. As a defender, as the ball carrier is running, you're just trying to get him down. And as your momentum is going, naturally, you're going to try to tackle and you're going to slide down as you're trying to bring the guy to the ground. That is a very tough call to make. But even if you don't make it in a game, the NFL now is doing this accelerated replay that people in New York can,
Starting point is 00:06:29 actually call the penalty before the next snap happens. So that's going to be something that's going to be interesting to see, whoa, where did that happen? What did that? Why did that flag come in late? That is a possibility of what can occur with this particular rule. This is going to be a challenge. And this all falls in that repeat offender category.
Starting point is 00:06:48 It's like repeat offender category 2.0, right? And back 15 so years ago, almost 20 years ago, this when I was fighting for you because you were hitting people too hard, and they were suspending you. That's it. So you hit too hard, you get fine. And that was it. So for me, at that particular point, for two consecutive years, I was in Indianapolis
Starting point is 00:07:09 and I asked the executive, I'm sorry, the competition committee. And I said, explain to me what a repeat offender is. They said two seasons and you have to get out of it. So again, what is two seasons? Because if a team that doesn't make the playoffs, that means four preseason games at the time, 16 games, that player would only have 40 games to get out of that repeat offender category. And they said, well, Charlie, that's the way it is. I said, no, it's not.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Because I said, the Steelers were the first team to win the Super Bowl as a wildcard team. So you add those four games that you have to add in the playoffs. So now you're sitting at 24 games for a season. If you did it again, the following season, it's very unlikely, but it's a possibility that a player for a team that went to the Super Bowl back to back. years on a wild card team would have to play 48 games. So because of that, that means that player B needs to play eight more game versus player A at 40 games.
Starting point is 00:08:11 And at that particular point, they were just looking like, wow, we never thought about it like that. You're absolutely right. And because you get fined in the preseason, the same way that you do regular season and postseason, those games should count. And then they made, then they change the rule of that. particular point. This is where I'm proud of because they changed the rule and they said, no, we're going to make it 16 games per season. So 32 games now get you out of the repeat
Starting point is 00:08:38 offender category. The very first person that benefited from not being in the repeat offender category was the Dominique Sue when he was in Detroit because he got fined in his 33rd game. So now he got out of the repeat offender category and now he was just subject to a single fine. how are you now going to regulate this when it comes down to these players? What are the fine amounts? They haven't shown that yet. They didn't shown every fine amount known to man. And then they're telling you if you don't commit a second one of these,
Starting point is 00:09:10 we'll get 50% of your money back. So that lets me know that the fine is hefty to try to stop you from doing this particular issue when they're now put all of these into that same block. It's going to be interesting to see. stance that the PA takes on this? Because right now there's a... What stance they're going to take, man? Stop.
Starting point is 00:09:31 You know, they over there and they ain't worried about nothing but themselves and keeping their position in power. That's it. And the PA is neat. They need to be called the NFL PA. They for the football, but they for the national football league. The boys ain't did nothing to protect the players or advance anything for the players since D. Smith got in there. Since he got in there, all it has been is,
Starting point is 00:09:56 opportunity for them to keep position in power by changing rules, changing how they elect things, chasing the way they tell about how they elect things, changing the way they show that things is done. It's all hidden behind closed doors. And you took the players totally out of it now. And it's just the committee now and the player reps. That's it. So I can control, you know, 40-something people, 50-something people, whatever that may be versus
Starting point is 00:10:23 trying to control 50% of the whole NFL. NFL PA ain't going to do nothing. They agreed with this. It was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, a, a release by both NFL and NFLPA. And excuse me, and that's the challenge that's going to happen, that's going to happen because you have players who are going to complain in their locker rooms. But when it comes time to showing up to these meetings, those players refuse to do so. And because they refuse to do so, nothing will change. And it allows the NFL to make rules in this particular manner without the players.
Starting point is 00:10:56 player input. Right. And matter of fact, when I did, when I had my thing going on with them and they called me up there to go to the NFL and I had to sit there and Kevin Colbert went with me and they're up there and they're showing my plays. And they went back almost, I think it was three seasons. And they were like, well, what about this? And Kevin was like, why are you even bringing that up?
Starting point is 00:11:18 That's almost three years ago. That's not even in the timeframe for a repeat offender. Like, well, we just want to know. He was like, that's not even, I'm like, yo, y'all don't send me up here with somebody I thought was going to help me. He was, he was being more demonstrative about the whole situation than I was. And I'm sitting there like, oh, yeah, they sent me with a G, though. I ain't tripping, but I'm tripping, because I'm trying to get some money back, you know what I'm saying? Ruh, I ain't a lot.
Starting point is 00:11:46 That was a good time, though. So, Lamar Jackson said his injuries led to him running less in 2025. Listen to this. I mean, you know, I know, a lot of people know, I was hurt last year too, you know. Yeah. I really couldn't do anything like I wanted to, you know, so it really wouldn't put my team in a good position if I was just running hurt. You know, I'm losing yards. Things like that was happening.
Starting point is 00:12:10 But whatever it takes to win, that's what I'm all about. And I always been about that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you think it would be more in, like, your previous seasons as far as running the ball?
Starting point is 00:12:18 Whatever it takes the word. So, whatever it takes to win, I guess a love. Lamar actually accumulated was at 6,522 Russian yards. He eclips Michael Vick's all-time quarterback Russian record. Additionally, with 181 career rushing attempts, he stands just 38 carries away from surpassing Cam Newton for the most rushing attempts by a quarterback in NFL history. So, with that being said, CB,
Starting point is 00:12:56 you know lamar jackson i know lamar jackson because i know for me i'm not i'm not worried about lamar like just you know being back there in the pocket and and going out there and just bombing on you and and and beating you week in and week out on the consistent basis because the thing for me that makes him so special is his ability to be a dual threat you know quarterback and when you take that away either by injury or game plan as we have done and we had a lot of success in doing it you know either one or the other he helps us or we do it ourselves the ravens don't have great success so charlie like in your opinion like what's the best version of Lamar as far as a run past racial or do you feel that you know he's a quarterback that maybe i might be wrong that
Starting point is 00:13:52 could sit back in the pocket and kill you just passing the ball. Yeah, watching Lamar throughout the course of his career, when he wasn't running last year, I said something's wrong. And he just admitted there that's the first time that he pretty much has said that as it relates to what happened last year. But as he's entering year nine, right now, he's at the point of his career that he needs to start protecting himself. The rules are already set up for the quarterbacks anyway.
Starting point is 00:14:16 You can now, you know, add lay, use your lays, get the, you know, to get the yard as you need, but now you need to slide because he's a guy who actually goes head first and those are shots that can continue to add up. So because of that, he now has to now add that element to his game. And yes, you can use your legs, but if you want that 15, 18, 20 year career, he's going to have to start protecting himself at this stage of his career. Can he do it? It's hard to do whenever you've been doing it since you was a kid to now have to go out there and protect yourself. But again, And this is this kind of jockey and back and forth, you know, out of Ebbing Flo in the game where I may step out,
Starting point is 00:14:55 I'm not stepping out, I'm a slide, you get hit 15 yards. So it makes it difficult for defenses to defend, but for him to prolong his career, he's going to have to protect himself in that manner. And hopefully he's able to do that. You have a new regime that's coming in, and I'm sure they're going to tell him, hey, we love everything that you're doing.
Starting point is 00:15:14 We want you around here a long time. We just want to work with you starting to protect yourself. So I think that can happen. Hey, man, like with the new coach, you said they got a new regime coming in. Do you think they change what it is that he's going to have to do? Or do you think they make it more of an ad lib of like, yo, if it's not there, you go ahead and do what you do? Because, you know, last time it was more of a, it was a run past option, a lot of that, you know,
Starting point is 00:15:47 option game itself too and them putting, you know, trying to put either a linebacker or a corner or safety in a position where he got to try and tackle Lamar one-on-one if he chooses to keep the ball. Yeah, I think when you look at where they're at, you would think that they would open it up a little bit, maybe get the ball out of his hands, be that extension of the running game, so he's not attempting those runs as much as he would. But based off the way that this offense is structured, you know that RPO is a big part of their game. So I just don't know. kind of what that looks like until we really see them the first four games of the year to try to figure out what does what does that offense truly look like and what are those
Starting point is 00:16:25 indicators that are showing up when you are actually going back there to review film or as of now I think that still stays in but again they have to ease that as the season goes on to say hey eliminate some of those hits because to your point you know how to defend them you just got to get to him but he just has to add that element to now become more of that threat of throwing in the pocket when you know he's not running as much as he is because when he's running, that's when you're getting your single high one-on-one on the outside. And then when he's not and you get in those third long situations, that's where your, you know, exotic coverages that are happening and a little bit more challenging as he's throwing the pocket. But again,
Starting point is 00:17:02 if he's able to get that threat, I think he can continue to have a long career. Yeah, I agree. If he's able to get that, that thing where he can consistently, you know, do damage in the pocket and now still has the ability to be able to run along with, you know, how they've been able to run the ball. It's, if he's able to do that, it's no reason, you know, they wouldn't have a great chance to actually get them a Lombardi except where they would have to face the Steelers. And I ain't going to even lie to you.
Starting point is 00:17:34 Right now, I'm kind of suspicious of our own offensive line that I don't, I don't know what we go be able to do. Like, did we, I mean, you be at camp, like the whole training. camera. Okay. So you've you've been able to see, you know, everything day in, day out. Actually, Charlie is the one that could get y'all some insiders. So y'all, y'all want to get some answers. Y'all might want to ask some questions. But with that being said, bro, what do you think has to be done? And is it a starting offensive lineup that you think would give us? us a better chance of having more success because right now, it seems like everyone they've put
Starting point is 00:18:21 out there has a hole or a gap in it somewhere. Yeah, it's going to be a challenge. And, you know, during the offseason or the OTAs, those out, every offense alignment looks good in shorts. It's not until you throw the pads on where you can truly get a good look and evaluation of what those guys look like. Behind every night spent making the kids lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode 8 before you're done slicing the cucumbers?
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Starting point is 00:24:11 and that's the true evaluation. But when you have all the moving pieces that have occurred on this offensive, line. You're starting right side is now you're starting left side. Then you're rotating guys in because you're telling people they can compete on the right side of the line. You finish the preseason and you still haven't named a starter for your right side of the line. But you're two weeks away from a game. Those guys have to practice together. You need that nonverbal communication up front to you know what's going on before it happens. How are you getting off the double teams? Are you able to get up to the next level? We haven't seen that yet. And we don't know who the right guard or the right tackle is going to be.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Max your Honit Chor, first round, great prospect. Missed a lot of training camps, struggled last day in yesterday's game. Yes. So if you're now looking to say who your right tackle was going to be, is it Dylan Cook? Is it Maxie? No. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:25:02 I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I'm sorry about that. Like, I don't, from what I seen from him, man, like, I'm sorry, man. It was, it was just parts of games where I was looking at him and I'm trying to figure out who that is like I'm like he he he he getting beat like a drum like I don't I don't know like what I don't know what was going on do like did did was he better in practice or was did I miss something because from what I saw man it was it was like and he's one of those guys that tried to use the you know when you get bullied you try and slap a dude down and knock him down with do got
Starting point is 00:25:37 balanced they keep bullying him and that's the challenge that you have you know they all you don't have that custom one size fit all they all they all do things differently. And when you look at, you know, where he's at, you add Broderick Jones into the equation that they were trying to move from the left or right. He was playing a little bit of right. All of those tackled have struggled at some point during the preseason. It's not a clear cut winner as it relates to who is your starting right tackle. And that is a problem two weeks before you get to the game. So if you don't know what that looks like on the right side, again, that allows the questions for us to question what's going on with that offensive line.
Starting point is 00:26:14 because at this stage of the season, you should already know who your five guys are. Those guys should have been practicing at least two weeks before where we are today. They would have had a good three to four weeks of practice time prior to the Falcons game in week one. And that hasn't happened. We still do not know the starting right side of that offensive line. And that is a concern for me as well. Yeah, I don't.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Yeah, I don't know. I don't see Aaron being able to take a couple of them shots, you know, that our guys was taking. Our young quarterbacks was taken yesterday. So, yeah, we got to, we got to get that short up. It's giving me a lot of, a lot of cause for concern. But the one thing, the one thing that you can say that is perfect up front is Zach Frazier. Center of the Zach Frazier, he is going to be here a long time. He has solidified that spot.
Starting point is 00:27:15 I am not concerned about him. Mason McCormick, yes, you go from the right side to the left side, but they have that great chemistry that way. Outside of that, there are going to be questions on everyone else because Troy went from right to left. What does that look like when you now get him at the varsity level when week one starts? We haven't seen it yet. Is it a talent dear?
Starting point is 00:27:34 Absolutely it is. But again, it's just the fact that those guys all have not practiced together, and that's the biggest concern for me. Yeah, I don't think a lot of people understand. transition of switching the guy, oh, he'll be already, he did, oh, no, it's different footwork, you know, it's different kind of moves you can get there, especially depending
Starting point is 00:27:52 on if your quarterback is right or left-handed, what it is that, you know, you're worried about in that process of, oh, if he do beat me, can he see him coming? Like, can I, you know, can I give a, hey, watch out there, or do I be like, oh, just hope and pray that he don't, he don't put him up out of there? You know, look here.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Seattle, Seahawks, new owner. What is it? Vedong, Vinod Kalash, Kozla? Bonad Kosla, Yo, he had something very interesting to say at his press conference. Now, I want you all to understand this before we showed it. The man just spent $9.6 billion to buy the Seattle Seahawks. And this right here is what he had to say.
Starting point is 00:28:51 I also happened to come to this country in 76 when the Steelers were winning the Super Bowl. So actually, I was originally and still am a big Steelers fan. Also, a little known fact, but I still watch all the Steelers games too. Hey, hey, look here, man. Hey, I'm going to need y'all to play that one back one more time. But before you play it back, what I want you all to pay attention to is that man standing next to him over there, watch how he try and put on this fake-ass smile when that man said. Like, it's one of them shit-eating grins that you get when you're like, oh, I'm
Starting point is 00:29:29 just smiling because I don't know what else to do. Look at it. I also happened to come to this country in 76 when the Steelers were winning the Super Bowl. So actually, I was originally and still I am a big Steelers fan. Also, a little known fact, but I still watch all the Steelers games too. Man, who do y'all think he was rooting for? When we whipped on Seattle over there in Detroit and that Super Bowl, he were room for the Steelers. Okay?
Starting point is 00:30:03 Now look here. Charlie, what do you think Seattle fans are thinking right now? You tell me. I think number one, they're probably thinking, all things aren't meant to be said out loud. Let's start there. But now that he is a Seattle owner, congratulations to him about away,
Starting point is 00:30:26 they're hoping that maybe that they can take the model of what the Steelers culture and franchise looks like and bring that over to Seattle that now will resonate into Lombardi trophies that way. If that's the case, good. But also, they want to make sure that he is 100% committed
Starting point is 00:30:42 to those Seattle fan bases or the Seahawks fan base because, again, you're the guy that is running the ship. And, man, that's a tough one, man. You said it. I'm looking at a little boy right here, man.
Starting point is 00:30:56 I'm looking at him. I'm like, he probably like, man, hold on, man. Did you just say that out loud? Did he say the quiet part out of lot? Maybe he feels like this, man. They talk to some, some Bangal fans.
Starting point is 00:31:09 And they asked him a question, man. Hey, y'all got that to play for me. You want to play that video for me, please. I also happened to come to this country in 76. No, no, I said the Bangal fan. Give me the Bangal fan. $25,536,000. No.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Why not? Can it see or suck? Even if it's tax free. Yeah. They're for just about anything else in the world. Anything. Name it. Name me one.
Starting point is 00:31:41 For $262,144,000. Oh, no, thank you. I'm out. Can't do it. For $524,288,000. Ew, no. You're going to retire and live the high life. Morals, you can't buy morals.
Starting point is 00:31:54 For $1,48,000, $576,000, would you become a Steelers fan? No. For a billion dollars? Well, so I'm actually mostly Eagles fan. I grew up in Cincinnati, so maybe. A billion dollars, tax-free. Yeah, I'll take it, bro. CB.
Starting point is 00:32:16 CB. Listen here, that man would have told me $500, something million dollars, I would have stopped watching football. Okay? I would have stopped watching football. But it may have just spent $9.6 billion. And he's telling you right now, hey, I'm a Steelers fan, and I still am and watched the Steelers to this day.
Starting point is 00:32:42 even though I just bought the Seattle Seahawks. He's telling you right now, hey, this is a business move. I'm a businessman, but my fandom is where it's at. This just let you know right here, Debo, this is a straight business transaction. I got $9 billion of fun play money to go out here, purchase the Seahawks. And I ain't broke. I still got plenty left. That's it.
Starting point is 00:33:09 I got that and I'm still telling you that I'm still telling you that I'm now a Steelers fan. What you're going to do? Nothing. Because guess what? He knows if he, if he, which I'm sure he has, he's watched what happened with the Lakers. You had the, they, the original family, bus family, they sold it. And then he bought it for 10 billion and flipped it for 12 billion, made two billion in less than two years. He knows what this is happening. He's like, hey, man, I'm going to tell you what was on my heart because maybe I'm not going to be around because this is by 2030. I may flip this and I may flip this. And I'm not. that 9.6 billion becomes 13, 14 billion.
Starting point is 00:33:46 The number's going up. And they just won a Super Bowl. They just won a Super Bowl. He didn't tripping on nothing. But he's letting you know, listen, I just spent 9.6. But I still love my stills. And I still watch my stillest. That black and gold, I can't get it out of my mind.
Starting point is 00:34:03 I can't, I just don't know. And I'm going to tell it to you right now, the first time I see you. When's the next Saturday? Hey, I like the Steelers, still is my team. I can't wait for the sketch. to come out when they actually do have to come to Pittsburgh and he's still the owner. Man, he's going to turn to the fan boy. You know what's going to listen.
Starting point is 00:34:19 When they come to Pittsburgh, don't be surprised if he got on some stillers gear. Hey, man. When it does happen, D.bo, we're going to be right there. Let's go have dinner with him the night before. If they may come in, you know, West Coast team typically come in on a Friday, man, we might have a chance to just kind of meet him and, you know, rubble little elbows with him and say, man. Yeah, rubble elbows with him.
Starting point is 00:34:40 I'm sure he would love to sit down with a couple of Stilers Legends, you know what I'm saying? Two Super Bowl champions, you know what I'm saying? To multi, two-time Super Bowl champions. Mr. Koestler, when you come here, make sure you give me a call. Hey, just if you don't, if you don't, you get a hold of me, you can, you can hit me on my IG or you can go and you can hit the email on my IG or distillers, they have, they have a way to contact me because I'm still, you know, I'm still pretty involved.
Starting point is 00:35:10 the opposite, you know, with the city of the team. You know, I'm around. I'm here. We can show you the city. We show you the highlights. We can take you through the actual facility and show you them Super Bowls. So you them trophies. No doubt.
Starting point is 00:35:24 You know? No doubt about it. We could saw you the Hall of Honor Museum. We can do it all for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, we, we are very accommodating. And, you know, we like to show hospitality to people who are. true fans of the Pissport Steller.
Starting point is 00:35:44 Hey, when you set that dinner up, you set that meeting up. Hey, just going to make sure you, you know, drive on over to Homestead, you know, check out Best of the Batch Foundation so he could take a tour. Listen here, man, that's what I was about to talk about, man. Listen, you need to tell me a little, matter of fact, just give all the people what it is that you do over there with the Best of the Batch Foundation and how people can find out how to, you know, help out do more run with it, baby.
Starting point is 00:36:11 Yeah, so Best of the Batch Foundation, we are 27 years old, and we are an educational foundation, and we focus on our out-of-school programs and our STEAM programs. And it's just exciting to be able to be a part of it. And we service over 4,000 kids annually in nine counties throughout Southwestern PA. So we get a chance to show it off. We just had our summer day camp. We had 325 kids who were a part of it for eight weeks, four days a week. And now we are ramping up.
Starting point is 00:36:38 Got a new building. A new building. So we went from 5300 square feet to 33,000 square feet. So we're always eager to show it all because we have a lot of great things that are going on inside of the building for all of the kids. So that's just all exciting. I got to give a shout out to my wife, Tasha. How many kids you're talking about there?
Starting point is 00:36:57 And I know you do other things. You have a bunch of programs that you do yearly. Tell them about that too. Yes, absolutely. So we service over 4,000 kids annually. So out of that 4,000, half of them, we'll walk. through the building at this particular point. And my wife, Tasha, she does a fantastic job for creating the programs.
Starting point is 00:37:14 And our team at Best of the Batch Foundation, they are phenomenal, pleasant. And we are excited to work with each and every one of them. But when you talk about the programs, it could be cooking classes. It could be dance class. It could be Steam Labs. Yeah, gaming and coding. We actually have Bingo that we have, which we have the first of the month that we have. For Bingo, you were one of our celebrity callers a couple months ago.
Starting point is 00:37:34 Yeah, I might slide on down there this month for you, baby. I ain't tripped. I'm feeling good right now. They loved you, Jay. They are requesting for you to come back, so they will all be happy. Tell them I'm coming back, man. When is it, man? Tell them I'm coming back.
Starting point is 00:37:46 All right. I'm going to put you on the spot. We do have one on Tuesday. If you put me on the spot, listen, man, you can't never put me on the spot. Man, listen here, I told you, man. Hey, listen, if they like it, I love it, baby. If they can't stop thinking about me, I've got to come back through, you know what I do. I'm a man of the people.
Starting point is 00:38:03 I'm for the people. Hey, there we go. I'll be there. When is it is it? Tell me when it is. It's going to be Tuesday. if you're free Tuesday, Jane, we will take you up on that. I'll be there Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:38:11 Here we go. I'm calling bingo. Just heard you. You want to see me. You come on down to the best of the batch and you go see a man that know how to do what it is that you're supposed to do when you're calling bingo. Right there, you just heard breaking news as James Harrison announced himself as a celebrity bingo caller this upcoming Tuesday for Best of the Batch Foundation. But all information is on our website. They can go to batchfoundation.
Starting point is 00:38:35 dot org. You see all of the programs that we run throughout the calendar year. We don't do all things well. We love to collaborate with folks. And that's been a beauty over the last 27 years to continue to make the impact. James, you have been part of it since the emphasis stage as many moons ago. And I'm just truly grateful for you to believe in what we're trying to do at the foundation, along with everybody else who have been a part of it because we just, we don't do this by ourselves. It takes a collective group of effort. And we are just so appreciative and we are grateful and humble for all the support that we are receiving. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense.
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Starting point is 00:39:35 Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast, Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, aka The Biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time, and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Not that great. Actually, can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on his head? How about we flip the script? What is the surprise woman? Actually, you think as the straight man is actually the one who's acting weird.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Adam Scott, this entire time, you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never expect... I would never set expectations for something like that to happen. If the universe allows for something like that to happen,
Starting point is 00:40:33 I'm open to it. I'm always going to... accept. You know, Danny McBride, fine. Yeah, it's all this fragile masculinity. Exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was like, is that weed? Nope, it's fragile masculinity. Ben Stiller, no. Because a lot of times out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? They're like, they're so stupid. Everyone's so dumb, except for you. Fake. Right, fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life.
Starting point is 00:41:07 I don't care about your life. And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Oh, and by the way, Will Ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode, but he's just so busy. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinero, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first.
Starting point is 00:41:45 I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're alone that you're. you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:42:25 Our town is small taters by most standards, right? But to the people who grew up here, it's everything. What happens when a quiet Tennessee town becomes the front line in a battle over the future of America? Developers with right-wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land in the area. The first thing you see when it pops up is pioneers in Appalachia. But they weren't just planning houses. We need cities on a shining hill that exemplify and embody the Christian way of life. Stop right there. Is that normal? A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a site of a social life.
Starting point is 00:43:00 social experiment. God need men to rule. Great. And decides to fight back. Do not use my hard work to sell your bull. They're not just opposing what's being planned for here.
Starting point is 00:43:13 Our hometown is not a test to. They feel like they're standing in opposition to an entire administration. Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:43:29 I'm Mungeshit Together and I'm back with a new season of the podcast Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones, and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about and what it really means to live forever for all of us. I learned about some rad science. I can make a brain for you and then we can test what draw is the best for your brain, as opposed to his brain. Here's some hard. Here's some hard. truths. I would expect Indians to age faster, but I did not expect it to be almost a four to five year acceleration. And get myself into a world of trouble. I'd say probably start bone smashing.
Starting point is 00:44:17 That doesn't work. Make it look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Dude, what is it? Ooh, about 22, 23 years, something like that. I've been man. Look here, man. How was everything going? I know you had a fire there. Did you get everything back together? You know, I know a lot of people helped and threw in on that and you guys getting that process cleaned up. How was that? Yeah, it's coming along. And we, you know, we're able to get through summer day camp. And the fire started with the grill on the backside. And unfortunately, it ripped up the side of the building out close on the backside of gym, gymnasium. But again,
Starting point is 00:45:03 we were able to kind of, you know, close that particular portion of the building off. Now we're ramping up and getting everything going on with the remodeling and renovations that are happening. The gym floor just was delivered yesterday. And that takes about two weeks for all of that to happen. So we'll have that up and running before the kids get back into school, middle of September, or at least back into our building in middle of September. So everything is right where we needed to be. But again, we still need help because a lot of supplies we had to throw away. And I've never been a part of a fire. I don't know if you, have or not, but smoke damage is real.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Yes. Water damage is real. And everything that absorbs smoke, we pretty much had to get rid of. And just the collective group of people who are relieving in us and the support by sending item, donating money, all of those things just to get us back to where we were at, especially as we were approaching school year with all of the school supplies. That was a same. Yeah, tell them what you do for the school year for the students.
Starting point is 00:45:57 It's extremely important. And we're, you know, we always try to give out about 3,000 book bags filled with school supplies. but unfortunately with these supplies, you know, with the smoke and all of that, you got to be very careful because you can't pass that along to the kids. So we essentially had to rebuild from that particular stage. So again, we're excited to have that happen. We do have groups that are coming out helping to sort, but at the same time, we're going to need help packing and those type of things as well. So all of that information is on our site for anybody who wants to be a part of whether that's donating, whether that's helping and donating your time. those are things that are always important to us.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Again, with 13 programs that we run throughout the course of the year, all that information is on the site. So you just have to let us know what you're interested in. And then from near the emails, we'll populate to you. You just let us know what you want to be a part of. So if you were interested in that, go to batchfoundation.org. Yeah, definitely. Hey, man.
Starting point is 00:46:50 I want to give the backstory for the people that they don't know. A lot of guys start foundations, but you ended up starting a foundation in your hometown. Can you give them the backstory of why you started that foundation here and what led to that? Yeah, 30 years ago, almost to the date, is where I was at Eastern Michigan and I received a phone call from my mother telling me I needed to come home. And ultimately, my sister was shot and killed. And just trying to get the information on how it happened, it was very tough to get. And the codes of the street, they don't talk. So it's hard to get the information.
Starting point is 00:47:23 But essentially, the story goes like this. My sister was walking down the street from her friend's house, got caught in crossfire between rival. games and the guy that she was with used her as a body shield. And Danielle was only 17 years old and she never had an opportunity to live life. And at that particular point, I said if I was ever in position to give back, I would. So I put all my time and energy graduating from college and then hopefully being drafted by one of those 32 teams. I was able to do so in 98 by the Detroit Lions. And immediately after that season, January of 1999, is when we started the foundation, best of the batch, Foundation, did some one of our programs in Detroit. But when I came here to Pittsburgh in 2002,
Starting point is 00:48:03 I thought it would be my only season. And then from there, we redirected foundation goals, one year turned into two. Two now has turned into 24 years later back in Pittsburgh. But it was one of those things because of that moment is why we wanted to make sure that we were trying to give these kids something to do. And it was just important to be able to do so because we never wanted another family that feel that way that we do. And it or did at that particular moment. And 30 years later, there's still memories because every time you open up or listen to the news, they always open up with a house fire shooting, stabbing. And that's a reminder to our family of what happened many moons ago. And we've been a resources for families that have been coming through, going through very similar situations, asking us how we were able to navigate our particular pain and now turn it into purpose.
Starting point is 00:48:51 And those are things that we ultimately are grateful for because of the people who believe in the mission and vision. of what we're trying to accomplish. And that's how we've been able to grow all of these years later. And you can just see the kids that are coming through. And it's just important to really see it. And our motto is always learn it through education, earn it through labor, and return it back to your community. And that's all we're trying to do because everybody is doing a lot of great things
Starting point is 00:49:16 in your area, wherever that may be. And if we can help smooth out those hurdles and let's collaborate and help you get to point A to point B, our doors are open. We are always available to have conversation because at the end of the day, we are impacting kids and that is truly a value to us. Yeah. Also, I believe you had told me one time that you guys actually are open when school closes just for these guys to have somewhere to go so that it doesn't lead to, you know,
Starting point is 00:49:46 people being out there doing something that they shouldn't be doing. Is that, how do you do that? Yeah, so when people forget that a lot of these kids, they actually depend on school for breakfast and lunch. And when school shuts down, a lot of these kids have nowhere to go. So if there's a big snowstorm, my wife Tasha will actually go to the office earlier or may sleep at the office in anticipation of all of these kids that are going to be knocking on a door that are looking for breakfast in the morning. And then from there, she's making sure that there's lunch. So there's always available. It gets to the point where a lot of these kids
Starting point is 00:50:16 thought that we lived at the foundation because they're like, wait a minute, Toshy always opens the door. She's always here and not realizing that, yes, We do have, we do go home and sleep, but we're at the office the majority of time. But that is important. And that's why when you look at everything that's happening in a relationship that's being built, there are things that people forget about, especially during the school year. People even forget during after school, right? After school, the most critical hours are three to six.
Starting point is 00:50:44 And a lot of families who are working, you don't get off till five. You have no idea what your kid is doing. So when we have after school in programming, we feed all the kids at five o'clock. and we might open up one day, might have 80 kids that were sitting there, but again, we are feeding them because we know that there's a chance that that may be the last meal
Starting point is 00:51:02 that they get throughout the entire day. So we're just trying to do our part to make sure that, hey, we can continue to go out there and be a resource, not just for our community, but throughout the surrounding communities because we know there are needs
Starting point is 00:51:15 that have to be met. Definitely, definitely. Look here, man. Give them that information for the best of the batch, Hey, guys, please help donate, time, money, whatever it is that you think you could do or you're willing to do. You know, they would be extremely grateful for and it was going to go to help a whole lot of kids to be able to help the foundation be able to support them. What's that again?
Starting point is 00:51:44 What's that? What's that site again? You go to batchFoundation.org. You'll be see all the information. And as we are ramping up, we have two events that we know that we're having up. We have in the pocket this year, which is going to be Thursday, November 12th. We are holding that. That is our annual fundraiser.
Starting point is 00:52:00 And typically we have a pool poker ping pong. We had a cornhole last year, which you were a part of. This year we may switch it up a little bit with a casino theme style, just to kind of change it up a little bit after all these years. So that's going to be Thursday, November 12th. And then we're getting ready for all of our holiday drive. We topped over 400 families, which was over 1,800 kids that we were able to, collect toys for rap and deliver to all of these families during the holiday season. So there are opportunities that people can be involved, whether that's through donation or maybe
Starting point is 00:52:32 coming over to help rap. So those are opportunities as well. So again, all that information is on the site. You just have to let us know when you potentially may be available to be able to come over. We want to show off the building because we're excited to show it off. We give multiple tours a day. Yes. And it's just something that we are proud to show off because again, the collectively. This is not just us. This is all of us that are here helping out the kids. So again, that information is batch foundation.org. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Y'all, y'all heard it here. CB, brother, I want to thank you for coming on. Hold up. Look like we got a super chat.
Starting point is 00:53:10 My boy, Mike, Mike, he came through. He said, $5.00. Thank you for the donation, Mike. He said, good episode of Debo and Charlie's show. Oh, oh, Charlie, keep doing what you doing. Debo don't scare the kids. The kids ain't going to be a bingo now. Ain't no, ain't no cheer. This is for the adults. And I ain't scaring no adults.
Starting point is 00:53:34 I hope not. I don't think so. Maybe. I don't know. Who knows? I scare people a little bit. Do I scare people a little bit? No, once you get, they love Debo.
Starting point is 00:53:42 They love you, man. They love you, bro. Listen, man, I'm trying to tell you. They love you. Look here, man. Y'all make sure y'all, you, y'all y'all y'all go hit uh best of the best foundation.org and uh do what you can if you can and if you can't we want to thank you anyway.
Starting point is 00:54:01 CB again thank you for coming on being here with me man um you guys we want to thank you for joining us on this episode a deborne charlie I guess a debor and charlie now DeBo and Joe, look here, man. Please make sure you guys like, subscribe, download where you get your show. And I will be back. We will be back. Me and Joe will be back here on Monday talking more. Look here now.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Y'all can listen to CB on the radio, actually postgame. You do post game. What's the post game? Hit that. I forgot about that. Yes, that will be on the All-Steeler platform. now to be the post-game show. Immediately after the game, we are on two hours following the game.
Starting point is 00:54:49 And I'm on with Mike Prasuta on the Steelers Radio Network. What platforms can they find it on? They can find it on. They can just go to Steelers, any Steelers platform podcast app, and all that information will be available on there for them to be able to find it. And, you know, we look forward to talking all ball. But also, in addition to that, follow the snap count. And what we have with my man, Trey Essex, that we have,
Starting point is 00:55:12 that we have weekly going on as well. So, you know, we get excited to talk all things, Steelers. And I'm just grateful to be able to share this platform with you, man. So I appreciate you having me on, brother. Man, thank you, man. Ladies and gentlemen, that is all. And you know how we do it. We out.
Starting point is 00:55:32 How you doing it, Joe? Let me tell you something, Devo. Devo, is my time real quick. Hey, this is Hayes Davenport. And Sean Clements. We host the podcast, Hollywood Handbook. Each week, we talk to someone in show business. and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us.
Starting point is 00:56:14 Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicists for letting them do our show. We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, Adam Scott, Danny McBride, Ben Stillard, and a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without us. Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the new podcast Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this. Random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B.
Starting point is 00:56:46 I'm Julie Pinero, and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita, trading the pity for possibility. Listen to Solita on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Our hometown is not a test tube. 90 miles northeast of Nashville, a battle for the future of America, out in one small town. Developers with right-wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land. We need cities on a shining hill.
Starting point is 00:57:22 This is Our Town, a podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment and fights back. Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to Our Town on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Mangishatigula and I'm back with a new season of my podcast, Skyline Drive. This time I talked to scientists, biopunks, curmudgins, blues owners, super seniors, and Goa's top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us. And I get into a bit of trouble along the way. I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:58:04 To make it look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You gave everything you could give, and now it's time to take the next. step. Hey, it's Emily Tish Sussman, and this season on She Pivots, the podcast where women share bold career moves and personal turning points. I sit down with culture-shifting women who share their pivots like Elizabeth Smart. I still feel that drive that I can still make a difference,
Starting point is 00:58:31 so I'm going to keep going. And feminist legend, Gloria Steinem. All of us were trying to express women's real lives. Listen to She Pivots on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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