Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 2: NFL Power Rankings + Brandon Marshall GOING VIRAL

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to Green Bay Packer star Micah Parsons' recovery timeline from knee surgery, Brandon Marshall going viral for a parenting video, and much more! D...ownload the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE 00:00 - NFL power rankings (Cont.)09:22 - Micah Parsons injury timeline17:39 - Brandon Marshall facing backlash38:54 - Super Chats (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:49 Open your free Iheart Radio app. Search Pride and listen now. It's blatant disrespect, Debo. Blatting disrespect. Right now I'm with the Steelers. I'm on the Steelers. The good thing is they're coming from everybody's underestimating them. It's good, though. It's good because they're going to go out here and play still. You know what I'm saying? So them saying the defense is being old and all of this stuff, forget what they're talking about.
Starting point is 00:03:15 We got ballers. We know what we got on the defensive side of the ball. We know T.J. Watt is ready to come back and prove that he's worth that bread. We got Nick Herbick. He knows that he wants to show dudes. He's a top five. pass rusher in the league so he got his time to come eat. Alex Highsmith, he knows he's trying to go get another bag.
Starting point is 00:03:34 He deserves. He feels like he's better than her. All these three dudes, they feel like they should be top of the top. So we got all you under contracts. Go show it. Go do it. Listen, it's easy to show it. I'm just saying, no, understanding, Odebo.
Starting point is 00:03:50 With the secondary, we got the coaching staff, we got the players. Thank you, though. What did we see when we were sitting there the whole time, Joe? when we were sitting there watching games, when we call each other and text each other and we're watching games, what are we talking about? We're talking about breakdowns. We're talking about technical positioning of guys
Starting point is 00:04:07 doing the same thing over and over that is completely wrong. So they have to be taught that to do it because it's not just one guy doing. There's multiple guys doing. So we need to be a bad technique, horrible alignment and assignment, or point blank period. Like, it's just a ungaped sound defense.
Starting point is 00:04:27 I'm just trying to figure out too. 10 and 7 last year, one of the division. Understand Joe Burrow was out, Lamar Jackson missed time. They didn't get, as I don't feel like, like, Ravens lost the offensive linemen. The Bengals, their defense, they lost, Tray Hendon. He went to Baltimore. They did get my big man for the defensive tackle.
Starting point is 00:04:50 But, like, it's how much better did you really get? Now, we're going to have to go see you. You're going to have to play the games. But the Steelers still at the end of the day. one 10 games, one division, have the same quarterback, got the same players. I feel like the offensive line got better. The defense, we got a better corner. We got another, we signed Sean as a cornerback, just in another year for everybody to just grow.
Starting point is 00:05:13 So the disrespect for the Steelers is I don't understand it. You know what I'm saying? Is it old man? Is it because A-Rah is a little older? It's because A-Roy is older. That's what they're saying. You got this out of him last year. What makes you think you go get any different?
Starting point is 00:05:29 Because we go get more from the rest of the team. They just be coached. They will be taught. They will be actually putting positions to succeed. Yeah. Yes. Schemes, game plans. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:05:44 We're up. We're standing ahead of the sticks. We're up. The defense is being able to pin their note, being able to come after the quarterback now. Difference, yeah, yeah. I'm excited about it, though, because just looking from it,
Starting point is 00:05:57 me and you were thinking the whole time off-season moves were going great we just were worried about the quarterback now we got A-Rod coming back to a better squad so now, okay, let's see what the hell's going on we don't have to work, no, we got the players, now we had our QB. Everything was cool at first
Starting point is 00:06:13 when they was putting us back way deep because we didn't know who was going to be the quarterback. We didn't have Will Howard or Drew out. I'm like this, okay, bet we could chill, we can see about that because we don't know. We've never seen these dudes play. But we got A-Rod now. We know exactly what A-Raw can do.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Coming off, he knows it's going to be his last year. He's locked in with his coach. No question. With the better players, with the receivers, with the line, with the running game. Like, I'm just excited to see. I think we have a full team. Offense, defense, special teams. Everybody plays well.
Starting point is 00:06:43 We're going to be right there. Right what we need to be. Like, we went from, what was it? 22. 22 to 19. Huh? What we did. That's it?
Starting point is 00:06:57 And then you telling me, with what Baltimore did, move them up three from 14? What Cincinnati? Cincinnati shouldn't even been in 11. That's what I'm. They're just putting it all on Joe Burrow and acting like those defensive, their defensive changes are going to help them just average.
Starting point is 00:07:17 Don't let them people score more than 25 points the game on you. I'm not, no. That's not good enough to put them at nine. Like, come on, bro. What did they do with the offensive line? What was the great improvement with the office of the line? The same one that got his ass hurt last year. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Shit, and the year before that. You met some time a year before that, didn't he? Yeah. Okay. Brough. And the Browns, what does they? God. See, they put the Browns of 28.
Starting point is 00:07:51 They put the Browns of 28. Only reason why I could keep this, I'm not mad at it. You good? Okay. I'm not mad at. I'm not mad at. I know you. We're going to have to.
Starting point is 00:08:00 This is the thing. We're going to have to show them some. We're going to have to prove ourselves. And I understand that. I think it's going to be Shador. Shador. Shadur. Shadur in that offense, we're going to have to see what they can do.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Our defense, we got to. Now, Mr. Miles, seeing what verse in there, we're going to see what our defense is going to be able to do. I know we still got ballers out there. So it's going to look a little different. Let me see what it looks like. But if we can get a top 10 defense, offense, we got to score over 20 points a game. We can get the offense. score 20 points a game and then special teams tighten up.
Starting point is 00:08:32 It's the same way, Debo. It's a full team game. Defense got to still be, defense last year, we weren't in the top. We can get back to top 10. Get back to top 10 defense. Our special teams was selling last year too. Don't. They were sold.
Starting point is 00:08:48 Get the special teams, right? And now when our offense, just be able to get, be competent offense. Let's get 20, let's average 22 points a game, 21 points a game. Let's get to that point. Not 30. Let's get 21 points a game. Smooth. Let's see if we can do that. So I'm just, I like that.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Shador's going to be able to get a chance. When he does, with these receivers, with Boston, with Casey Conception, with our running game and our new line, just to be able to let's go out there and now we have receivers that can make plays. Let's see if you can get it to him. Let's see if our running game could stay ahead of the sticks. Don't make him have to do craziness all the time. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:09:22 Third and fours, third and fives. And then Shador, what did you learn from your pocket presence of not patented all the time when you're trying to escape, don't wheel around. You know what I'm saying? Making quicker decisions with being able to run, escape, or get the ball out of your hands. So just the team, full overall team, I'm not 28, okay, whatever you all say. We won five games last year, but I'm still understanding we got to put the work on the field. We got to show them.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Our offense has to actually score points for them to rank us higher than this. So, Browns, I'm not, it is what it is. Let's see what we can do. Okay. I ain't, you know. You know, you rocking with that, right? I'm rocking with everything you said, but, you know, a five. Five, fifth worst, you know, just five.
Starting point is 00:10:07 I think y'all could be a little lower. Just, man, no. How? Because you're the rounds. You go find it. 28, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's I'm just saying, y'all, y'all go, you'll figure a way. It's disrespectful enough.
Starting point is 00:10:23 I'll go figure a way to end up lower than that when season is in, I'm telling it's disrespectful enough. I don't know about respect, disrespect. I'm just telling you what it is, man. That's just how I can't help what I can help. We're going over here to Green Bay, though. Michael Parsons is expected to miss at least half of the season.
Starting point is 00:10:46 According to recent report, Parsons commits significantly more time than initially expected as he continues recovering from its torn ACL. He suffered last. season. From a Green Bay for a Green Bay team that invested two first round picks
Starting point is 00:11:06 and a record setting contract in the superstar pass rusher. The latest projection is far from idea. Joe? Yep. What do you think of this, Joe? You think Mike, Mike, I'm missing
Starting point is 00:11:21 more than half of the season is, what do you think? I mean, I know what I think. It's going to be tough. That sucks. When you draft a Pellier like Micah Parsons, the thing is you give up those first round picks
Starting point is 00:11:38 because you expect immediate, immediate greatness, immediate first team all pro, immediate probably defensive player of the year type production. So obviously this sucks for them because you're missing out on all of that. But for Micah, I would think that career-wise and longevity, if you're going to miss them for this year and a half, You don't want him to rush back because you might not get him at all. So the thing is not trying to rush him in.
Starting point is 00:12:04 It sucks already, for sure. You wanted to have your best player because you sent out first round picks. You gave him this new deal. But you much rather be able to have him at all than to try to get him and he'd be weak and get himself hurt. And it's continuing to be a thing. So, I mean, it sucks for the team, obviously, but not rushing back and will be the best thing to be able to try to get him. So when you do get him, you can have him for long term than trying to rush him and getting back for the beginning of the season.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Like, injuries is 100% chance that people are going to get hurt. Let's not rush him back and get him re-hurt again and have him always looking like that. Let's try to get him back to his full capability because you sign him to a long deal. You sign to a five-year deal. You're giving him $40 million per year. So this is a long-term player. It's not a one week-by-week thing.
Starting point is 00:12:49 You're going to want him for the foreseeable future. So take your time with him and make sure that when he does come back, you don't have to have continued setbacks. Well, that's something that Green Bay, I guess, was not really trying to do because earlier this year, Parsons talked about how Green Bay followed a strict recovery timeline for ACL. And he said, I think the goal has always been, not right now, but longevity for my career here. He said, there is, what he said, there is no good outcome. for players coming back early from ACLs. I agree with him.
Starting point is 00:13:34 People talk about, well, Patrick Mahomes is coming back and all the other stuff. Yeah, Patrick Mahomes is a quarterback. Okay? I know they were both injured on the same day last year, but Patrick McHombs is a quarterback. Patrick McHombs doesn't have to go out there and get into confrontations with a man every place. This is a 100% smart move by Micah to make sure that he takes the time so that he can come back, fully recovered, especially when his tear was a non-contact tear. And when you're looking at non-contact tears through the significance of people who actually
Starting point is 00:14:08 tear the other ACL, it's a higher percentage because now you are actually putting more force. You're putting more, because you're coming back too soon. You're not 100%. And he's like, you know what? I'm not going to do that. And it's smart of them not to do that. Sure. You just signed a, what, four-year, $188 million max, what it could be extension.
Starting point is 00:14:30 Okay. And in year one of it, you averaging, what is it, $47 million a year, bro? In year one, he gets this, it happens. He got $136 million of that that is guaranteed. So basically, he has a three-year deal. And you're telling me, you want him to come back year two and not miss any time and come back before he's 100% when he does that, he's going to risk again injury. And if he's able to come back, he's not going to be the same player.
Starting point is 00:15:00 So after that, his third year comes around. He obviously won't be at the numbers that he was before because he's being unplayed. If he makes it through there, if he's not looking at his third year being injured again, now he's done. His guaranteed money is up. His contract is done even though he has a year left. that would be foolish of him to do that. Like he said, longevity of his career, period.
Starting point is 00:15:26 So, yes, Micah, get 100%. Do not come back until you are 100%. Why? Because your money is 100% guaranteed. And when that unguaranteed money starts coming up and you're miss half this year or whatever that time is that you end up having to miss and you come back with whatever year
Starting point is 00:15:46 and whatever time you have left in this year and you're 100% and you go out there wreaking havoc and you let that lead into year three and you finish that year three on top of your game back where you were. Now year four is guaranteed. Not only is year four guarantee. Now you can re-up. Now he's at what, 28, 29 doing another three or four year deal to finish out his career versus trying to figure out what he's going to do if he goes on a one year.
Starting point is 00:16:15 back too soon on a one yes and now he's sitting there in limbo hell no I'm going to wait till I'm 100% come back kill what's left have a monster three year it's one year left on your
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Starting point is 00:21:11 Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. after that retire keep it moving but this one i'm to tell you if micha parsons if you are a hundred percent healthy and you can come back and you can move and do all that stuff we're not telling you to relax or try to slow down your rehab what i'm saying is you know once you hit that football field and you start to play they're expecting 100% of micah parsons there's no you're out there oh no he's he's getting back for injury no you need to spas You need to be getting sacks.
Starting point is 00:21:49 You need to be able to be still doing the exact all-pro things because you're getting paid as a baller. So don't come back in there. Oh, no, he's trying to get back into it because that's going to have you looking weak. You only as good as what your film says. So if you come back, step slower, moving forward, you're not Michael Parsons anymore.
Starting point is 00:22:08 You got to come back and look like a dog. Be getting off that ball. No switches, none of that little fake stuff. Because it's like, no, now you're getting an older in your career. We already gave you the bag. Is this a thing? Are you injury prone? Is it going to be a one-year deal?
Starting point is 00:22:22 These prove-it deals that are coming to you? Or, no, that's out of the books. This man is getting off the ball. He came back, 11 sacks quickly if you got through half the season. The last nine games of the year, he gets 11 sacks. They're like, okay, that's the same Michael Parsons. Next year, you're healthy 100%. Ballout, 16, 17 sacks.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Now you're back to right where you normally were. You come back gimping a little bit, looking a little crazy. they're not that that that that's on you they're going to be like okay no Micah's Parcans is injury prone yeah we had you back but you really had you back but you weren't really doing no work shit what's the used to be coming back if I can't if you telling me you go hold that against me I'll wait till I'm a hundred and then you can't hold that against me they're not going and it's not they're going to tell you whatever but it's going to be held against you if you're playing on the fields it is held against you period
Starting point is 00:23:07 you shouldn't be out there they'd be like why why hell you out there because y'all because like y'all No, if you're out there, you better be hooping, period. No question about it, brother. Do what you doing, Micah, was best for you. Because, hey, listen, that guarantee money is there for a reason. For opportunities and things like this that are unfortunate to happen, but so that you do not have to rush back, you can come back at 100%. And then you can go ahead and get ready to re-up on their ass again sometime later on down the line.
Starting point is 00:23:40 Brother, Brandon Marshall, they say it's, facing criticism for disciplining his son making him run at two o'clock in the morning. Look at it. Look at this. Look at this, Joe. Okay. There's no different than when we were in L.A. Santa Monica running at midnight on the pier. We wanted to do that.
Starting point is 00:24:02 We love to do that. And then there's correction. Then there's discipline. You're walking. Run. Run. Discipline correction is good. Even two in the morning.
Starting point is 00:24:12 We run. I don't got to put my hands on you. but I'm training you up to be a warrior. I'm training you be up to be a leader, to serve, to have discipline, to be better than me. Run. Run. Let's go. If you don't start running, we're going to go three miles.
Starting point is 00:24:33 So you better start running because you don't know when I'm going to tell you to stop. You don't want to listen. We run. We work. Two in the morning. Let's go. Faster. I'm driving three miles per hour
Starting point is 00:24:47 You should be going at eight or nine miles per hour Right now go This truck goes to nine miles I promise you we're going to all into the gas station Which is three miles down and back It's three miles I'm at five I'm at six
Starting point is 00:25:04 There we go now we're moving Run Discipline So how you're going to learn it Come on What do you think Joe So here, I'm going to let you see. I guess so on the page right here,
Starting point is 00:25:27 they got, it's like four comments that were the top comments on this page. Okay. One of them said, that's family business, not Instagram business, okay? Another one said, I don't know about discipline, but definitely gave him something to unpacking therapy in 20 years. Another one said, sir, this is whack and embarrassing. I have four men, all whom I had to discipline at some point, but never embarrass my children, especially in this area.
Starting point is 00:25:56 This has gone viral, so the amount of jokes and lives from his peers have gotten, he has gotten, could shatter his confidence. Kings, real kings, move with stern but fair hand and always protect the kingdom. This is completely not needed, but you do what you do. Another one, the last one said, you should never, a disciplined child with embarrassment and messes up their mental health state kids are people too this is so lame it didn't need to be public if this is how you wanted to discipline that's fine it you did this to show off on the internet i hope you take this down and i've read some of your comments
Starting point is 00:26:41 learn how to take constructive criticism my guy most of us aren't trying to hurt you just giving good feedback. Take care. Joe, what do you think, John? Man, I think Brandon Marshall gets to discipline his kid, however he wants to discipline his kid. I think the posting it on the internet might be the only thing that I would have probably not have done. Because describes on, what did your kid do? You're disciplining your son. Somebody. We don't know what he did. We don't know what he did. I don't know what the things are. So I'm just going to go with, if he's disciplining his son having to make him run outside at 2 a.m., that's nothing. Like, if that, he did not, there's, there's consequences
Starting point is 00:27:27 to actions. He said his son is not listening. So there's going to have to be, there's, there's actions. So he's saying he's going to discipline him in the way that he wants to discipline him. There's going to be, there's going to be consequences for you not listening to your father. So I don't know if people want to, however they decide how to do it, he's disciplining his son a certain type of way. He's not putting it. He's not putting it. He's his hands on him, he's not doing nothing, but he knows there's consequences for you not listening to me. And that's what a father should do because out there in the real world, people don't, there's not, there's consequences to your actions. So the way that he raises
Starting point is 00:28:00 son, I only think that just putting him on the internet and showing all that, like, I could, that might be the only thing I wouldn't have done because that's a, that's a you and your son thing. You handle your relationship, you discipline him how you want to, but the putting, and he's not embarrassing him. I mean, it is what it is. Your son, he's not listening. you should be embarrassed. Like, I don't think that's, that's, he's not, that isn't bad. Like, what people get all in their own name, embarrassing your kid, he had to deal with that.
Starting point is 00:28:25 I'm like, what? Like, it is what it is. People getting picked on all the time, but that's just, thank you. That's something that's happening. Like, grow some tough skin. Like, it is what it is. He wasn't just whooping and making him look crazy,
Starting point is 00:28:36 giving him the haircuts, you know, you don't listen to your parents. You see the joints, they zip the whole son's head. Just give him a whole little haircut right in the middle of his head and sitting in the school. That's embarrassing. Some of that stuff is a little while. Having his son run down the street, a little jog, he's sitting at three miles an hour,
Starting point is 00:28:52 we're like, okay. Like, that's what he's doing with his kid. He said we were doing it in Santa Monica at the pier, you know what I'm saying, as a fun thing. They do conditioning normally. So instead he's not, whoopening like, son, you got to go run 2 o'clock in the morning because you weren't listening. That's his thing that he had with his son. So I'm not against I'm not mad at at all.
Starting point is 00:29:10 I would say the only thing was you didn't, you wouldn't have to post it on Instagram. But if you did, that's only you. I mean, I don't see anything too bad with that at all. Yeah. So, I don't know what he did to get ran at 2 o'clock in the morning. Like, I ain't about you. I don't know what he did. And I don't know if I agree with it, but I damn so don't disagree.
Starting point is 00:29:45 I don't know if I would do it like you said, the way he did it as far as, you know, putting him, you know, on the internet and all that and doing all that. Like, that's something that like I couldn't do. You know what I'm saying? Of course, my discipline is different.
Starting point is 00:30:08 You know what I'm saying? My discipline was a good old-fashioned asswipping. My discipline was a good old-fashioned belt to... You know what I'm saying? So, so what I should have ran them niggas last night when they, when they, when they, when they, when they. See, Dbo. Hey, no. See, that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:30:24 You can't. Hey, hold up, man. Man, man. But not sending you a father's day tax. I'm still feeling some kind of way about my breakfast, about my, my, my, my birthday dinner, okay? I'm still feeling some kind of way about that. But anyway, let me, let me get, let me get back to this right here. Now, you know, you know, you got people saying, oh, he shouldn't do that.
Starting point is 00:30:42 He embarrassing him. And, you know, he's going to, he's going to mess up. his mentor and all that other stuff. First off, I don't know what he did. Maybe he embarrassed his father in front of people. I'm telling him that was something that he did. Because I was always told embarrassment, you go get yourself embarrassed.
Starting point is 00:30:58 My mama said, hey, where you act up is where you get fucked up. And if you act in the middle of the grocery store, you put your ass whipped in the middle of the grocery store. Where you embarrass me is where I embarrass you. So I don't know what happened there. And that process. But again, I'm, I wouldn't do it that way, but I wouldn't do it that way. I'm not agnistic because you know how your kid is going to respond.
Starting point is 00:31:26 Yes. You know. You know your kid. When it comes down to a dude, they're saying, I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't do that. Yeah. That's you. That's how you parent your child.
Starting point is 00:31:38 You're doing your child. You're doing what's best for your child to recognize that through this process of, what you're calling discipline, this is what's going to work best for my child. That ain't what's going to work best for your child or that's not what worked best for you. Mine was spanking ass. Spanking ass, you know why I spanked ass, Joe? Because between the ages of two and six, as soon as he could say yes and no, and he understood what yes and no was, I now have a choice to spank that ass because I don't have a opportunity to reason and logic with a
Starting point is 00:32:15 two to six year old. I can, or whatever that age it is, you know what I'm saying? I didn't whip my children out of anger. I whip my children out of discipline. So if you do A, then you get B. You do A, then you get B.
Starting point is 00:32:29 It was never a, oh, you know what? Let me tell him something five, six, seven, eight times. And now I'm mad and I want a whipping. Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's no, no, no. It's no emotion. It's no emotion.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Yes, dude. It's no emotion. It's identified a behavior, correct it. That's it. Now, when things are, or they get older, and now they can reason and understand stuff, you take the belt away. Or maybe they understand a little sooner.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Because for me, I didn't realize the escalation. Okay. So mine started off with a hand, a belt, you know, and then it jumped higher than the belt. Mine stopped at a belt. My kids couldn't take no ass with me. You realized early they couldn't take that. So I actually thought my youngest was going to be the issue, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:33:25 Because I popped him when he was like two. And he gave me that, mm, gave me to look. I'm like, oh. Oh. So I went on ahead. I'm like, hey, I'm trying to tell him, look, come up here when I called you. You come up here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:38 I said, uh-uh, I said, don't move him. I'm coming down there. I popped that leg, right? So I walked back upstairs. He's still standing there. I said, come here. He ain't coming here. I went right back down there again.
Starting point is 00:33:48 I said, pop that leg, dude. By the time I got up the steps, went to turn around, he was on my tail. On your heels. Knock him down trying to turn. So, like, I knew this going to happen. But for me, my escalation was a damn extension cord, bro. Oh. And I never forget to do it.
Starting point is 00:34:06 I was 14, bro. I was 14 years old, man. And all my sisters and brothers are there. Like, all my sisters and brothers at the house. my mama, she's like, oh, come on up. Come on up. Come on up here. I'm about to whip your ass. What did you did?
Starting point is 00:34:19 Joe, I don't even remember what I did. Okay. All right. You had some wildness. Had to. Hey, now, now remember now, my mama was a disciplinarian. She, hey, if I say, hey, my mama tell you to take the trash out. If you ain't going to take that trash out in 20 seconds flat, that's disrespectful and that is disobedient.
Starting point is 00:34:39 It's disrespectful. It's disrespectful. You're talking back. You didn't say nothing, but you're talking back. Okay? And it ain't no pop. She ain't hands in you. She's whooping ass, right?
Starting point is 00:34:48 So get upstairs. I'm about to whip your ass. Okay, cool. All my sister and brothers down there, she'd get upstairs. She do her thing. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. I'm muscling it up.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Mm-hmm. I ain't dropped the tear. I run back downstairs fast in my sister's brothers. They're like, what, what happened? Did she, what, you do it hurts? I'm like, no, you know, it's whatever. You're like, Joe, it's whatever. It's whatever.
Starting point is 00:35:10 You know what I'm saying? I'm high shining on her. I'm doing all that. Yeah. She came down on her steps. Okay. She looked at me. She said, okay.
Starting point is 00:35:18 She said, I got something for your ass next time. I said, um, okay, whatever. I'm like, you don't already whip me with that belt. And I didn't take that like a man. I took that like a cheap. Joe. Joe, I don't know why I said that bullshit. You're wild.
Starting point is 00:35:32 I had the nerve to do something else. I don't even remember what it was. But it was the last time I did everything, anything, Joe. She whipped me Went an extension cord, Joe. And I can tell you right now, Joe, she only hit me nine times.
Starting point is 00:35:47 Nine times, Joe. He hit me two times, Joe. And I couldn't even stand it. I jumped up out of there like I was a damn crab and hot water. Oh, God. On that second one, bro. Woo!
Starting point is 00:36:00 Brow! Hit me again on that. It was two. I couldn't take it, too. Bice. I couldn't take it two. I'm at six now, Joe. She said, you keep your ass still for three.
Starting point is 00:36:09 I might let you get up. Pride is like love. You feel it in your heart. IR. Radio. Canada's number one streaming app for radio and podcasts, including IHart Pride Canada, your favorite hits and must have party bangers, plus personalized and curated playlists.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Like back in the day pride. Come together, celebrate love. Take pride with you anytime, anywhere. Just ask your smart speaker to play IHart Pride Canada. Stream us on your phone. Or listen now at iHartRadio.com. I love the sounds, the buzzing from the stadium, the chanting from the fans, the announcers calling the place soccer, football, it's home. Why do I watch the World Cup? That's like asking me, why do I breed?
Starting point is 00:36:58 I inherited that fandom from my mom. I like watching it with my dad. It's a connecting force. From Futuro Studios, I'm Fernanda Echabari, and this is American Football. a show about soccer culture in the U.S. and its underdog roots. We go beyond the game to the people and the stories that make it great. A soccer game is a festival. It's not just a game. It's your culture.
Starting point is 00:37:25 I took an elbow to my head, which cracked my skull. It is an American game. The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World Cup this summer, Listen to American Football as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the civil war. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job.
Starting point is 00:38:19 I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching.
Starting point is 00:38:42 You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Gianmanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad. But secretly, he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy. but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like?
Starting point is 00:39:21 No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Mainstream media is full of cruel depictions of the unhoused, stories that shame and blame and paint the unhoused as a monolith. We The UnHouse is the Unhoused.
Starting point is 00:40:12 podcast that's changing that. I'm Theo Henderson, creator, and host. And for years, I've created a space where the unhoused and their advocates can tell their own stories. In the last few months alone, I've interviewed unhoused parents, immigrants, mutual aid organizers, veterans, the LGBTQTIA plus community, and the policymakers who make the laws that impact the unhoused existence. Woody Enhous is a two-time Webby and Signal Award-winning show with many excited.
Starting point is 00:40:42 and guests on the horizon. Tune in this week for my interview with Dr. Jill Whitcher, a street doctor turned influencer whose work with the unhoused community has made a huge impact online and in her community. Listen to Wey and Hous on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:41:03 I said, ooh, let me muscle this. God, damn, Debo. I said, oh Lord, Jesus. She said, yeah, I told you I had something for your ass. next time. I said, Joe, I said, I can't, I can't never do nothing wrong again. Because I don't know what she's going to escalate to after that. That's what I'm saying. I couldn't take that, Joe.
Starting point is 00:41:21 That's what I'm saying. I couldn't take that, Joe. So, Debo, this is what we're saying, though. End of the day, my parents, too, was whooping my ass. And I was never getting my, I had four younger brothers. I'm the oldest of five boys. So there had to be, me and my brother's always just fighting around and we needed to get disciplined. My dad and mom never
Starting point is 00:41:43 whooped me without me needing to be whipped. Like, I always thought like I deserved. Like, I never just walked in the house like I hit upside the head. No. You're doing something that you shouldn't be doing. Boom. So I always knew when I was about to get whooped. And me is opposite to you. I'm scared. I'm crying instantly trying not to get whipped. I know that. My mom will go be that.
Starting point is 00:42:04 What you're crying for? No, I need to get you. You know, I know. I know. So I take one. I'm crying and I don't want to do it no more. So I would be trying to get us out of these weapons because I know if I'm going to get wool, I deserved it. I never walked in there on no dumb stuff. So my mom and dad, he's like, it hurts me more than hurts you, son. I'm like, you're a damn lie in my mind.
Starting point is 00:42:24 But I know what he's talking about now. Because he's like, you can't do this and expect not to get, you know what I'm saying? So that's why I always would be good because I'm like this. If I'm chilling and me and my brothers are doing the right stuff, I will not get belt. I will not get whooped. My dad is chilling. My dad is the coolest dad in the world.
Starting point is 00:42:43 But if I mess around and do something stupid and I know I'm about to get whipped, that means you did something dumb. If I know I'm about to get whipped, I'm like, God damn, why did I do that? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just knowing there's consequences. Consequences and repercussions, Joe.
Starting point is 00:43:00 I know right from wrong. So that's why with my boys, I was always on them early because this is the thing my dad would say. When you see those kids that don't listen to their parents out in the grocery. stores and things like that.
Starting point is 00:43:11 Shut up, mom. You know what I'm saying? No, mom. Give me this. I'm like this. Oh, my gosh. They're doing that in their homes. So you think that your kid going to sit there and talk to you?
Starting point is 00:43:21 They're talking to you crazy. Crazy. Your. People talking to you nuts because they're talking to you nuts in your home. They just didn't start that while they're in the store and feel like it's okay for them to be like, shut up, mom. You're crazy. Give me my cereal.
Starting point is 00:43:35 I'm like, oh my God, what did the kid? Is that kid lost his mind? My kids are looking at that kid like, this. Oh, my God. Hey. He said it to his parents. Oh, my God. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Oh, no. I'm like this. Yes, son. You see what I see. Joe. All that candy they put out to check out. Let me tell you this. Let me tell you this.
Starting point is 00:43:51 Let me tell you this. Get your ass with. Debo. And guess what? That kid is disrespecting their teachers. That kid is disrespecting everybody because you walk around now. There's no consequences to whatever you say. You could talk to anybody however you want and you think it's sweet.
Starting point is 00:44:06 You will walk around to somebody else and get popped right upside your face because because that's not the way. You talk to people. It's not the way you communicate. It's not nice. It's not kind nor friendly. But when you were a kid and you walking around and you talk to everybody your own way, you walk into a room, you don't speak, you just think like you got it. I'm like, no, that's not a disciplined child.
Starting point is 00:44:25 You follow that child home. You see their parents, they talk to them in the same exact way. And that's what we did not want. So when I'm walking around and they're like, man, you got so respectful kids. They're so nice. They're so kind. I'm like this. They better be.
Starting point is 00:44:38 Because that's the way that I've. raise them because you just have to be nice. You treat yourself. You treat people the way you want to be treated. You walk in, you say hi. You never disrespect. Like the kids, if your son, you're walking around, you want to protect your kids. You tell them, hey, come here. You tell them to stop because they're about to walk into the street and get hit by a bus.
Starting point is 00:44:56 They don't listen to you. They step out there. They get hit by a bus. My son, stop. Instantly, boom, boom. Come right over to dad because he knows your dad. You listen to your father. You listen to your father.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Instantly. There's no questions asked. You know, why? Because I said so. Ain't no why. There's no why. Because I said so, because I'm doing what's best for you. And you know that.
Starting point is 00:45:19 I would never tell you to do something that you don't need to do. Because I said so. Thank you. Thank you, Joe. Because I said so. That's what I'm talking about, D. Joe. So we're not trying to be like crazy.
Starting point is 00:45:31 No, no. We know that there's somebody that has to be law. And I'm not, when you say, I'm not your friend. I'm your dad. I'm your dad. No question. I'm going to grow. I can be your friend later in life.
Starting point is 00:45:42 I'm a friend. But right now, I'm your father. And I have to teach you the right, right and wrong way. What's good, what's bad? Discipline. Because then you'll know when you're walking around, I need to know my son knows right from wrong. And then when you do wrong, that was a choice that you made, son. Because you knew, I taught you the difference between right and wrong.
Starting point is 00:46:01 I taught you the right thing to do and the wrong thing to do. Now, you've made a conscious decision yourself to do the wrong decision. Ha, that's on you, bubs. You know what I'm living in life. But when you're in my household, you're going to know what's up in a good way. No, no, no, I'm not bullying you. I'm not trying to with you. But you know, when you're walking around here, you're walking around here smooth,
Starting point is 00:46:22 you being nice and you being, you're not, nothing's happening. We all living good. You come here talking crazy. Who do, are you talking to, son? There's the, right. Oh, snap. Here's the problem. Here's the problem with a lot of, what a lot of families or a lot of parents.
Starting point is 00:46:37 that don't discipline. Some kids cannot, don't have to be physically disciplined. Yes, some kids, very few. Very few. Because here's what you're going to run into is once that child realizes that you are not,
Starting point is 00:46:54 there's going to be no actual physical punishment or discipline for what they do wrong. I don't have to listen to anything you say. James, go stand in the corner. I say, no, I'm not standing in the corner, just a buck. Well, what you're going to do? well, you better go stand in the corner.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Well, I'm not going to stand in the corner. I'm going to do this. Well, I'm going to get your father. Well, what will he go do? He whoop a ass? No, okay. I'm not doing it. He's going to talk to me too.
Starting point is 00:47:19 I'm going to have a conversation. No physical punishment. No physical punishment for this. They don't have to listen anymore. They become adults that don't listen. Now, you wonder why he's sitting over here locked up, why he's at school getting kicked out because he's not listening.
Starting point is 00:47:37 and there's no punishment. And then he realizes that, oh, I can go and do this and say that, and nothing happens until he runs into somebody that's like one of my kids that been taught. Somebody say something to you, put their hands on you, it's two different things.
Starting point is 00:47:53 He can say whatever you want. You ain't tripping on that, okay? We go let that ride. But the minute he touches you, I don't give a damn, if he puts a finger on you, you let him know. You touch me again,
Starting point is 00:48:03 and I'm a thrash. And then you go and whip his ass. or you give all you can to do it because at the end of the day, dude, they got to realize it's repercussions and consequences and when there's no actual physical punishment, especially for a child that realizes
Starting point is 00:48:17 that I can do whatever I want to and my punishment is if I don't want to listen, I don't have to listen and there's nothing that happens from that. It's over. It's over with, dude. You have not a leg to stand on.
Starting point is 00:48:32 You ain't got a boot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. It was 80s We eat 80 babies Just pray Pray to God Get on your hands and knees Because that's all you got left
Starting point is 00:48:42 That's all you got left When was you born Dibault I was born a 78 baby Oh yep You 78 out 89 That's just That's Bro you missed the whole 80s
Starting point is 00:48:54 I missed the whole I was still 80s I made it No 89 not really That's like me saying How are you going to say 89 isn't in the 80s
Starting point is 00:49:02 It's thoughts I understand But damn I mean I'm So the kids born in 99, they really born in 2000. You might be going to get in 2000. Don't steal it from me.
Starting point is 00:49:11 You might be in 2000. I'm in there. I'm an 80s baby. 80s baby. That's why, you know what I'm saying? I feel like 80, I feel like if you were born in 1989, you got everything. You got a little bit of everything. If you're 37 years old right now, you're yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:26 You prime. You got, you got. I don't know about that, Joe. You ain't telling you the 80s. The 80s, if you was born in the 80s, Did you catch the free lunch at the pool in the summer? Yes, Debo. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Come on, man. I'm just checking. Hey, you already know. I'm just checking. I'm just checking. Let's jump into these super chats, man. Let's get it. Man, Super chat.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Lady Iron 23, $5. I appreciate you. She said, happy belated Father's Day to my two, happy belated Father's Day to my two favorite morning guy. Yes. Love you. Thank you very much. Appreciate you.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Love you. Mike, Mike. Feed back. Mike, Mike, $105. He said, what up, Debo and Joe? Sanders wins Browns, a Super Bowl, be bigger and crazier parade than the Knicks. If Sanders wins the Browns is a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Yes. Yes. Listen. I'm trying to tell you. Oh, my. That man, you thought Braun took over the city. That man. What?
Starting point is 00:50:31 That man should do. What? Man. I'm putting it up. this game because we know that shit ain't going to happen for the Browns. Nah, they disrespect the shit. You know, do some craziness like that. We put in a statue.
Starting point is 00:50:41 I'm putting it up. Day of. All right. Go ahead. Keep on. Keep on. Keep on. My plan.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Joe. Covent of life. She back. Ten out of it. Covered it. First of all, happy Father's Day to the both of you. Awesome. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Coved it. Men of God. Thank you very much. Covered it. Devo. Devo. I have a, I said like you, Devo. I said like you, Devo.
Starting point is 00:51:01 Debo. I have a. I have an. Biblebee's card for you because you love cheap stuff and Joe, I have a zo steak and seafood card for you. Yeah. I'm not saying that I love cheap stuff. I love what I can afford and still be able to keep a roof over my head. That's like, that's what I love.
Starting point is 00:51:23 I love to be able to live, you know, every day and not be like, oh, snap, am I go eat today? and splurrs and not be able to eat tomorrow, you know? Mm-hmm. That's where I'm at with it, Joe. That's why. Okay. Like, I don't, you know, that's, we got covered in life. She is back.
Starting point is 00:51:45 We got covered it. Come on, covered it. She said, Joe, what's up? My guy as a Brown's fan slash player and dad spent your years explaining things that don't make sense. Damn! You're qualified. You're overqualified. I was waiting for you to say something, grophy.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Damn, covered it. That was a good one. But listen, we got time. We're going to watch the season. We're going to watch it on four. Yep, yep, yep. I mean, it's a possibility you all could be looking at, you know, doing a little something and having at least being in the fight in about two, three years, maybe, you know what
Starting point is 00:52:24 saying? Y'all are, man, covered it. Just watch. We don't go ahead and convince Joe Burrow. to come on through. That's, you know, that's the only thing that would basically put
Starting point is 00:52:34 you all back into a, you know, a huckle buck, you know, and a headlock. Why everybody keep tripping? As long as we understand, look, by the end of this season,
Starting point is 00:52:42 we're going to know that your door is him. So then that's, that's what I'm waiting on. By that time, then that's one we're going to know. Okay. We just, we got another one right here.
Starting point is 00:52:52 We got Andy Glue here. $826, $6,65. Said, rocking my, rocking my Debo time shirt at the gym what bicep tips you got
Starting point is 00:53:06 all right look here this is what you do you want to do like a giant set yeah you want to do like a you want to do like a say a low pulley close grip curl lay that down to a
Starting point is 00:53:22 inclined comfort curl and then hit that to a hammer You want to do hammer curls? Yeah, get that mess with hammer curls. All right. So, low pulley close right here.
Starting point is 00:53:44 Tiree, comfort. It's out here. Arms out like this. Literally hanging down, incline to here. And then the other ones, hammer here. Boom. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:59 There you go. There we go. You know. I know. I know. I know. I know. We want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe.
Starting point is 00:54:08 Please make sure you like, subscribe. Oh, we got Covenant Life back, Joe. Oh, Covety. What's up? Covered Life back. She said $10. She said, Joe, the Browns finally gave you a Father's Day gift. One less excuse for why Pittsburgh gives living rent-free in Cleveland's head.
Starting point is 00:54:31 Love you, Joe. know it. All right, Covey. I can't wait until this season. I'm going to be on your game. Listen, man. I'm trying to tell you, man. Y'all start liking these episodes, man.
Starting point is 00:54:45 Get it up there. Man, we appreciate y'all, man. We will be back here whenever Joe say we go be back here. But again, thank you guys for joining us of this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe and download where you get your show, Joe.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Come on. We will see you tomorrow. Same time, same place. Let's get it. You know. Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history.
Starting point is 00:55:20 I'm Danny Shapiro. And these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move. And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and drove off. And that was the last time I saw him. Listen to Season 14 of Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Starting point is 00:55:56 on the streets of Los Angeles. We've grown into a two-time Webby Award-winning podcast, the only podcast that shares un-house stories and news from the Un-House perspective. Listen to Weythian-House on the I-Hard Radio app,
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Starting point is 00:57:22 Happy Pride from the Outspoken Podcast Network. All month long and all year round, we're celebrating being loud, proud, and always original. It's me, Brandon Kyle Goodman, host of the podcast, Tell Me Something Messy. Check out my show for unfiltered takes on dating, relationships, and adulting. Listen to High Key for the best pop culture takes and VIII. There are no girls on the internet for all your tech news. For your favorite celebrity Kikis, check out Outlaws with T.S. Madison. Learn to love yourself unapologetically with BFF, Black Fat Fem.
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