Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 2: NFL Replacement Refs are back? + Super Chats

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to reports that the NFL will begin hiring replacement referees, Kalif Raymond leaving the Detroit Lions for division rival Chicago Bears, answering fan questions, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline: 52:15 - NFL hiring replacement refs58:48 - Kalif Raymond leaves Lions for Bears1:15:13 - super chats (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and plenty of other mishaped scandals and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent, dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to No Grip on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look at this right now. The NFL owners, they're alarmed by the state of negotiation with the NFL Rest Association and have authorized staff to begin hiring and onboarding replacement reps in the coming weeks. The NFL began compiling a list of college-level officials to recruit earlier this month. and owners are expected this week to approve a sweeping set of replay and enhancements to support

replacement officials in preseason and regular season games. A league source said the training of the new replacement officials will begin May 1st. Joe, how well did that go in 2012 when the NFL locked out the refs and they used college-level refs, which they are saying they plan to use now, which led to bad cause, inconsistent cause, incorrect cause because it was different rules. Like, they weren't even calling the rules white, right? Yeah. That lasted for three weeks.

And then it ended with what they call it, the, the fail, merry incident with Seattle and Green Bay. And the last play touchdown that caused Green Bay the game. First off, the play shouldn't even been judged or ruled anything because tape pushed 37 so hard to the ground that Stevie Wonder could see it. And it should have been an interception, but they don't know what they're looking at because what they say, simultaneous possession goes to the offense, but it wasn't simultaneous possession. The DB had it and the receiver reached his hand in there. So what happened? players started complaining the coaches started complaining

they criticized and you know the refs the fans and the general public started complaining and then it was like yo what's up with the credibility of the game then the gambling thing was an issue there we go

money losing money NFL said oh hold up we're about to lose money get the refs back they worried about money what you think of this man them using replacement refs against you I think they need to, look, the whole referee joint, it pisses me off because we're a professional NFL football league that have part-time referees.

Like, there need to be, our referees, I feel like the NFL referees need to, first and foremost, be full-time refs. They need to be able to get judged by how they perform. They need to be able to get their stuff review and get that stuff taken over. So the whole little league referee system that we're doing, and the professional and the multi-billion-dollar business, business blows my mind. So getting replacement referees, just D-Leak, like, what are we doing? This is a professional football league. Y'all was talking about the integrity of the games, all this. Why are we having part-time refs, reffing a professional game done by the cream, like, if this is supposed to be the best of the best, the business, business, trillion-dollar,

billion-dollar companies, why do we have part-time officials that are making sure that the games go by them? You know what I'm saying? So I think that starting from their, it's money, but we got so much, we need to make it legit, where we have legit, full-time reps, and they get, look, I hear you, Debo, but with me, it just, it's crazy. And hiring replacement refs, it just makes it look even more junior varsity

that we're playing in the NFL, and now we're getting replacement refs from college. The rules, it is a different game. Like all of the little intangibles, just the, not even the big stuff, the two feet and bounds, you know what I'm saying, that they have one foot in college, the gunners,

In and out, how long you can stay out of bounds, how long you get to come back in bounds, the touching of the ball on the punts, anything, just the little intangibles of our game that people were looking like, why do they do that? I'm like, no, no, no, you got to, when you put one foot out of bounds and one foot in bounds on the kickoffs, little stuff, special teams, just the little, little things of the league that you have to know. And it's like, those are professional of us that have been doing it for a long time. They should be going through training and making sure, like, this is what you do.

there's reasons when you do mess up calls, you don't get to play rough in the playoffs. There's, you get in trouble. Like the same way players and everybody, you get, no, you stink. You're out. You're fired. You're no longer NFL ref. There has to be repercussions to continued bad calls and not being able to do stuff in playoff games and Super Bowls and stuff like that.

So with me, they, we need to have our own referees and replacement referees just makes it look even more junior varsity. No question, dude. They need to be full-time, pay these dudes. Some of these cats are pilots and lawyers, like, how much time are they doing elsewhere? If this dude is a pilot, he's flying and he's a lawyer. Like, come on, bro.

Like, pay the man. Give me full-time job. He's a rough. Pay the money what they need. That's the whole reason right here. They said next week it's expected to approve a sweeping set of replays to enhance the support-wise. So they can try and get the play right even.

if they miss the play or don't get it right, that they can call and be like, hey, this need to be that. But then do you get into people talking about, oh, man, the NFL now is setting their own rules of who they want to win, not win, depending on what plays they review or don't review. They catch or don't catch.

Now you're getting into the whole gambling-type issue thing and all the other stuff where they're like, now the NFL got control of whatever it is. So I think you're running into, you know, a whole bunch of, you run into muddy waters here, man. You run into muddy waters here. And, you know, they're trying to be, oh, it's scripted. Everything's scripted.

Well, hell, if that's the case, they thinking something scripted, well, hell, they can change the script. Bro, I'm telling you this, because when you talk about the scripted part, Do, Debo, I can only speak on myself and knowing. I can speak on all of us. I am not going into Lewis. Brother, brother, brother, how the hell?

I'm trying my hardest not to get my ass beat over top on a fade ball. Like, I'm not worried. Like, I understand that. But, like, for me, that is my livelihood. The eye and sky, don't lie. What are you doing? Joe, you just got your ass beat. Like, I can get cut.

I will not play anymore. I'm looking at it like, no. Just from business, like, no, what are you supposed to be in your spot? Getting hit on that in front of my team. When we go to that film room, the embarrassment of being on that big screen with your coach, in front of everybody like this. What happened right here? You know what's coming?

I'm like this. I got beat. I got, I'm waiting for the tape. the next day because I know I'm going to see that in the big screen. I'm going to see that in the little meeting with the defense. I'm going to see it again in our individual meeting. I'm about to get bombed up in three meetings in front of all of my homies and feel terrible because I'm supposed to be him.

He's not supposed to ever score on you. Like, that's how I feel. But when we're looking at it, I'm like, oh, man, Joe, okay, you got to get your head around. What happened? What happened here? I'm like this. That's me. I got to make that play.

Ah, like, take it on the chin. You know what you're sitting in a meeting. You're like, damn. Oh, play 23. Play 47. I don't know. Yeah. And you know, you got that list.

You got the joint. Damn, I know I missed that tackle. Coach comment right here, Joe. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, WTF on it. Like, oh my, my goodness. I can't wait to this play come. So, Joe, what we got here on, on, uh, the play 23.

That's me, coach, you know, I thought he was running. That's me. That's, what I had on that play, coach. That, that's, that's all me. That's me. I got to make that play. All right. Next time.

Yep. Dang. Br, it ain't, dude, it ain't nothing worse. Especially like when I play Vakowr, bro, when I play for Cowder, the whole team sat in there for every special teams play. So we'd go through kickoff, kickoff return, punt, punt, return. The whole team was in there. He would replay, replay, replay, replay.

You slow their way to head. Slown it down. What are you doing? What are you doing? Are you accelerating? or you decelerating? What the? What are you looking at?

Man, me and foot, we'd be like there, man, did you miss a block on a? Yeah, bro, I missed the block. And you know, he's going to get in time. All 11, they're going to rewind. You're sitting on one play for 20 minutes. Everybody going to get theirs. Bro, eh, yes, bro. Everybody getting theirs.

Everybody getting there. Ain't no shorts for nobody. No. Ain't no shorts for nobody, bro. But that's why I love football, though, bro. Because that honest, I don't lie. If you made your block, you made it. You're good.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to get a good one on this one. This is how we need it. Like, give me, make me do a teach rep. So, where coach is like this. Now, Joe, that's how you get your leverage right there. Like, yes. Come on, guys. You hear it.

Yeah, you heard that. Right. Yeah. Look, Joe in there. Good feet. Good feet, Joe. Hey, you see Joe? I'm like, oh, shit.

You see James right here? What? Oh, I did it. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Hey, dude, I'd never forget, man. So I was nervous, right? So I'm playing. And you know how you do a right or left return on kickoff. You know, you could do the crackbacks then. Yeah, yeah. So as we doing it, we're doing the right return. But we're facing this way.

So the right return is here, right? Yeah. So I don't got so damn nervous, bro. I didn't turn to run. And as I turn to run, I'm like, right return, right return. But I'm turning, running towards our guy now. So the right return that should be on my left is now I'm thinking it's right. Yes.

Total opposite wrong direction. And as I get down there, I'm looking and I'm like, where the hell is he going? It's a right return. And as I start seeing everybody else doing the real right return, which is my left because I didn't turn the round. Yeah. I'm like, oh, shit. You know you're about to look crazy. I'm in the meeting, bro.

Coach Coward go. James, what you doing here? What are you, it's a right return? Do you know it's a right return? Did you get the call? Coach, I know it's a right return. I said, but what had happened is I went for the, I was doing the right return.

But when I turned around, I said my right was still on my right. Dude, he started laughing. Like, that's the only thing that got me out of it. Like everybody. Like, yeah. Yeah, that was, he said, what? I said when I turned around, Coach, my right was still on my right. So I went for the right return.

I was nervous. Mm-hmm. Okay, okay. You go, look, Debo, you probably get, you get that one time. Right. You get that one time. Oh, I told him one time, I go, we was blocking. And, you know, we're in the meetings, and he's going through the meetings.

He's like, hey, whatever happens, you know, just go ahead, go hard, da-da-da. And he was like, because shit happens, you know, da-da-da, right? Yeah. So we're in a play. I think they got me for like a holding penalty or something. And he comes over, James, James. I'll make it like I don't hear him, you know what I'm saying? I'm working the sideline.

I know you hear me. James, silverback. You know, that's when they called me silverback. So I turned. What happened there? And I was just like, coach, shit happens. You know what I'm saying? He had no.

You had nothing full. He had nothing. He was like, Bussy and then was like, yeah, Coach, you did say shit happens, though. Yeah. Like, you didn't say shit happens. Shit happens.

That's right. You took him on the chair. That's me. Shit happens. Yeah. I had nothing else to say, man. No excuses. Dude, why receiver?

Khalif Ramans chose to play for, I guess, the Bears over the Lions. So there was a chance to return to the Lions for a sixth season, an opportunity to rejoin a four. a former or opportunity to rejoin a former coach of Chicago, he opted for the chance to play for Ben Johnson, who had been the offensive coordinator in Detroit before leaving their division rivals in 2025. He said, I wanted to play for Ben's offense. He's extraordinarily creative

and honest, and you can be in any spot on the offense, and he will find a way to get you the ball. Just to be under him is a great privilege. Joe, what is this saying? Is this a knock at Detroit or is it a bump on the Bears? I think I'm going to bump on the Bears. I'm going to bump on the Bears. I'm going with young Caleb growing, getting better, looking good, and them do's just thriving.

Nothing. What's up? I'm saying who they got over there at quarterback, bro. In Detroit. In Detroit? Yes. Golf? Golf?

Okay. I mean, yeah, I like golf, but I like young, young Kayla. Well, you acting like golf is better than Kayla Williams? I'm taking, I'm taking golf. Oh, you're on, you're on, you're on some, you're smoking more than that cigar. I'm taking Kayla Williams, for sure.

I'm taking God. Okay. I think it's more of the head coach. Okay. Personally, because he said, I wanted to play in Ben's offense. Quarterback and coach. I think if they had don't want to...

Don't forget. Campbell took over play calling this year now. They didn't do great. They didn't even make the playoffs, bro. After killing it early and years, especially when he was a coordinator in 25, go back 25. Bro, I'm going to tell you this.

If I'm a young... I'm going with Caleb and them. He's young. I'm just saying I'm rocking. You go on with Campbell? I'm not going with Campbell. Yes, I'm going to go to the other way. You just say a quarterback.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to go to, because I didn't like what happened, especially when they could have went to the Super Bowl if he didn't play Russian roulette in the playoffs. With going for fourth downs every time, crazy. You can't do that when you get deep into the, when you're in the playoffs, dude. Ain't no making up for that. No, for sure. He could have made, no, he was living, living by the sword, dying by the sword.

I like, I still like Campbell. I like the way they was coaching over there, but now they got rid of the running back, too. They lost Montgomery. I think Caleb is going to be a star, and that the bears are going to be trouble. Oh, from his last year, I believe he's going to, yeah, he's going to develop into something. But you're saying that golf is better than him? They already, they already doing it in a super, in a super, super natural way right now.

But once he gets his consistency together and have a real grip on getting that thing there now with his ability to shake and bake on you, yeah. Stop making, it's happening. You got being right there, buddy. He just told you. Extraordinarily creative.

He knows what's up, man. Caleb's going to be the future. I like it I ain't go lie to you, bro I just can't get over the painting nails I say I'm Deepo I'm just

keeping it one hundred I just you know I ain't go ahead but I just said I feel he's got to just keep going The main thing

The main thing Long is he in that thing He knows All the plays All the adjustments All of that shit That's all that matters In between those lines

Coach please you know come out that gym you know and doing it on time handling business please time handling business better understanding of the offense defense better understanding of the system everything dude bro literally comfortable moving smooth not like understanding being able to just don't just just don't be missing no you know no no no no no no practice time coming late from nothing none of that none of that none of that none of that I'm talking my first one in I'm thinking at the same time I'm never I haven't heard any anything about him, like, because I know Caleb pops and everything.

He's in there. He's studying the tape. He knows what's going on. He wants to be the best. So like, I never heard about anything about being late to any meetings, late to any, like, obligations. He's in there. I'm just going to shot at the nails. That's all, bro.

I know you was. I know you was. I just bite, I bite my, you know, I do my nails. You didn't even have any nails. You don't have nails. You don't have nails. Man, look at you. Just, just, just don't even care.

I'm biting, yeah I'm just biting I used to get bored and just sit there and just chew on them. Yeah, you a wild, wild man, Dibo. Yeah. Straight up. That's why you called Debo.

Really? Really? Man. I can't help it. I take, and I take away the need to spend extra money. I told you, I got to find a way, Joe. I ain't got it like that.

Yeah, you're just going to do it yourself. straight manicure. Gone. Yeah, even. Sometimes I even get to the cuticles when they get rough enough. Oh, see, that's savage. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies.

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Listen to no grip on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You are a savage, my brother. Hey. That's for sure. I'm with money I don't save over the years on not getting manicure. For sure. I used to be able to bite my toes, but I can't get down, you know.

You dirty toe, people. Oh, no. However I can't see you, see you with your leg, out, toe up, crazy, man. I honestly, I used to be able to. I think I saw it. I think so. I think so. No, bro, you got to tell me what age did you stop doing that?

Oh, man, I had to be a kid, man. Okay, I was about to say. You had to be under double digits. You had to be at least got at six, five. Because once you're 13-year-old, D'Boe. Yeah, I was young, man. I think I might have bit that toenail off one time. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I didn't know how to use no fingernail

clip is. I'll bit that big toe nail on one time. Oh, man. I wasn't ready for that one. I'm just saying, bro. I'm just saying. Hey, man, listen, who, who, uh, he preferred, uh, Buffalo, I mean, sorry, the bears

obviously. Yes. Who would you, uh, like if you could come back right now, you still had the skill, who would you, who would you want to play for? I, I ain't, for me, I would want to play for the Lions. I want to play for the Lions. I want to play for the lines. I love the coach. I love that. I just love the way that he was, the previous, how he was a previous player, love his energy, love how he moves, you know. So I, I would probably want to play for that coach if it was me. But quarterback-wise, I think Kayla's the better quarterback.

Okay. But I would definitely probably want to play for the lines. I think I like him a little more. So you're going. I'm a player coach kind of guy. I mean, you're going to, you're going for the, you're going for the, you're going for the coach that you like. Yeah. Understandable. Understandable. And golfing not bad, too. I mean, that coach quarterback combo, like you said, it's not bad.

Oh, yeah. For sure. You can't go wrong with that. And it got Gibbs. And I'm a rock. But you already know what comes out on the AFC North, though, on, you know, top this year. Who you got coming out? Hold on who you got.

Stop playing with me, bro. Who you got? Because we see, we always doing it because we ain't, nobody got the full rosters. I'm going to know it's. I don't need no full roster. You already know what it is. You already know the Steelers. I know the moves we done made.

I know the moves y'all, y'all done made. I know the moves some people ain't made. I know the moves some people can't make. And it ain't nobody that you go get right now. Let's go change that in first, second, third, or fourth, fifth round. You're thinking that your guy, Andrew Barry, can get something that's go change that or one of those other teams.

We need to get, we go get two dog receivers. out of this draft. I'm talking about two dogs and another and then two more offense alignment, just for skill and depth. So what you say is? Then we're going to see. No, no, no.

I mean, I'm going with, I'm going with the Steelers. I'm going with the Steelers. And then second, I want to see what we do with the receivers and our, with the rest of the receivers and offensive line. Because our defense is, a defense is what it is. Boom, we're going to be cold.

Our offense, we got to be able. we got to be able to score at least 24, like that, 21, 24 points a game at least. We could do that. Our defense is going to be able to hold teams to under 16 points. I like us to win a lot of games. So once we get. What do you call a lot of games, Joe?

A lot of games, okay, over 10. Because we're going to go to 10 to 7, 10 to 7, 10 to 7. 10 to 7. 10 to 7? Why are you going down? 10 and 7 is our record. 10 and 7. That's a lot.

We have, we have, well, we have five. That's doubling what we had last year. Okay, okay. What you're talking about? Yeah, I'm, what you, what you're comparing it to that trash that you had. This perspective is everything. Coming in, this year would, yeah, should do it with this good squad. We go 10 to 7.

Okay, so where does that put the stillers? Y'all, I mean, we need to, we want to see who the quarterback is. But I'm saying right now, 11, 11, 11 to 12, 11 to 12, 11 to 12 wins, 12 wins? 2, 4, 6. 12 for 5. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Ravens, I'll say maybe 13 and, maybe 14 and 3. See, okay, no, that's not, I'm going 12 for the Steelers, I'm going 10 for the Browns.

So everybody else is in the basement. Oh, yeah. Ravens probably what they, eight, eight, nine and seven, what's that, nine and eight, nine and eight. Yeah, nine and eight. And Bengals, ah, sorry, seven wins, seven to ten, seven and ten, seven and ten. That's a lot of wins. Six, what, six and eleven? You got seven with them, you got nine with them, ten with y'all and twelve with us.

Oh, our division is going to be five. That's the thing. Joe Burroughs not going to be playing. Lamar Jackson is still Lamar Jackson. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to disrespect our division. Our division is nice. So that's why the Browns, I'm looking at.

We got to be able to have offense. We got to be able to put up some points. Our defense has always been in there with all the other AFC defenses. We in there every time. Sometimes better. But we can't score. You add to some collo in that coffee, huh? Listen, listen, fool.

If we can't score, then we can't win. So let's get us some offense to where, oh, man, whoa, we got 30. And the defense's like, oh, my God, are you kidding me? We could really go out here and take off and get some more sacks? We don't have to bend, but don't know. We're going after them. We're up. We got to lead.

I'm so lost on the wheeze right now. Listen, when I'm talking about the Browns, you jump on with me because you're from Ohio. You lived in Ohio. Hell, I will. Just take it. Just let me go ahead. I eat shit, die. When we go with the skills, when we go with the spills, do it.

When we go with distillers, you know, obviously, I'm rocking. So I let you just, we're going. But when I'm going, let me flow. I just need you to clarify the whee's. We is me, you, and my brows. Brer. That, that, that, that, that, hey. Say something else that ain't we.

Okay. Say us. Us. Okay. I'll say us. Us. I say us. I ain't part of that we.

So, yeah. We'll know exactly, we'll know exactly, but yeah, that's what I'm saying. Still is 12, Brown's 10. Still is 12, Browns 10. It's 97 and, and. Cincinnati, maybe, Cincinnati may be seven, seven or six or seven or six or seven. That's a lot of wins, bro. That's not a lot of wins.

It's a great division. It's going to be competition. What's the division? No. Distillers are going to win the division and the Browns are going to end up getting in by record. Smart man. Smart man.

That other part ain't too smart, but the first part, like I said, common sense ain't too common no more, but, hey, even a blind dog, you know what I'm saying? He can find the meat, you know what I'm saying? You're talking all that. Hey, listen, a brook is right twice a day, baby.

Tell him. Sunshine, hey, sunshine on every dog's ass once in a while, I could keep going. You know, I hit the, I hit the, I hit the records on point, though. Like, just wait, remember. Y'all, hey, y'all remember the records. You heard it here. Still is 12, Browns, 10, Ravens, what was it, nine, nine, yep, and the Bengals, seven or six.

Seven or six. I give you, I'll let you play with seven or six right there. Yeah, please. Yeah, because I'm just trying to see where all these, like, the divisional records is going to be something. Like, it got, like, that's going to be. I had it. Yeah, because I had it last year. Hold on.

You had the records last year? No, I didn't. I had what they did last year. Oh, okay. Yeah, the predictions, they always thinking that people going to win more than they did, except for the Browns. They had SFO when we went five. And y'all went and y'all went and y'all went. But we're going to double it.

You're going to double it this year though. Good old 10. Because we're losing by extra points, field goals, no. Telling. And y'all and y'all keeping miles because y'all ain't trading. We keep him miles until right now he's still on the squad for show until somebody tries to come out there with something crazy. You know?

Yeah, yeah. But as of right now, we're going to with miles and we're going to go draft those receivers and those linemen and going to rock out. We don't need to get nobody. Defense, fine. Corners, fine.

Safety's fine. Linebackers, fine. D-line, fine. We always get another interior deliming. Okay, maybe. But besides that, offensive line, receivers, fire.

Then, then. You had them. No, this is what we, we have all the other stuff, but we need receivers and the O-line. I'm just, I was just, I was just checking. Trying to tell you. Why is that? We go, we're going on ahead and jump into this, this super check right here, brother.

We got Duff and Tell gang, your, what? Is that Canadian? Is that Canadian money? Somebody tell them. Oh, you know, I don't. Yes, it isn't. That's Canadian money. That's Canadian money.

That's Canadian money. Shout out. Which equates to, I don't know. But I know it ain't, I know it ain't too much less. Because if it was pay so, we might have been paying somebody. Thank you. You know what I'm saying? So.

What did they said? They said, Debo, you ever come to Canada, right across the river from Detroit, Windsor, the real South Detroit. Ooh. Ooh. There ain't no South Detroit. That's just Canada. That's it.

That's it. I have been to... What part of Canada was I in? I don't know. I was in... It might have been... Was it... Toronto?

Because I know I spent... It might have been Toronto. Love Toronto. Beautiful. Clean is I don't know what. Went to the Raptors. versus calves. It was another one too, though.

I actually see somebody up there. It's one of my therapy people I see up there. Oh, man, where is it? I would have to look at, is it Calgary. I've been to Calgary, too. Okay. I've been to Calgary and Toronto. All the people I meet from Canada have been super nice, always.

Yeah. Yeah, and I think I stayed at the Marriott. Super Bowl 40. Super Bowl 40 was in Canada? No, it was in Detroit. So you're looking at Canada. Oh. Stayed on the river.

Across that, you know, Detroit River. Okay, okay, okay. Covenant Life, Seaback, $5. Yes, sir. Joe. Yeah. Who did you have Friday, Covenant Life? I didn't even know where you was at.

We ain't used to not seeing you. Joe. Yo. Fancy. His sacks drop to 7.0. What are we missing on the tape that still makes him a nightmare for DBs? For DBs? Who?

For defenses. Cover the, he didn't, how many games did he play last year? Yeah, T.J. Okay, you lost me with the D.B. I'm saying, but T.J, how many games did he play last year, D. Bo, like? Well, you got to realize he also. came back earlier than they expected from that Promsome. Yeah. I don't know if he was 100

percent anyway. Did he do something early in the season? Do you have something to happen earlier in the season? I think so. We just this year, this is what I'm saying, you got to give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. It's like, we got seven, seven, seven.

Did he think lost me. Maybe she's talking about old tackles. He got all the moves. He comes out of the ball super fast. He got it all. He got it all. He can bend. He got hands. He's explosive off the ball still. T.J. still a dog. It's just when he's, we just need him to be out there 16 games.

When he's on the field every time he produces, he's going to make something happen. He's going to make a force fumble. He's going to bat a pass down. He's going to create a sack. T.J. Y, every time he's on the field, he's going to make an impact, especially when he's healthy. So I would just want to give him a little bit of benefit of doubt. At 1,000 percent, seven sacks isn't what we look for when we look at T. but let's give him, we don't need seven sacks two years in a row while he's out there 16 games.

If TJ's out there 16 games, it hopefully, let's hope he does because now it gets to the point where you are making $40 million a year. It is what have you done for me lately. Last year was seven and a half. Cool, T. We know it is what it is. This year, obviously come back out there, do what you got to do, be a game changer, game record like I know that you can be because making that, that's what it applies.

You know what I'm saying? So it's tough every single year, just do it that. But right now, down here one time. Now this year, if T.J. is not giving us those numbers, now we can really have that conversation. You know what I'm saying? But I'm expecting him to come out there, play the season, all the games, and just watch. He's going to get picks. He's going to have forced fumbles.

He's going to have double-digit sacks. And that's just what you get when you get T.J. Watt on the field. For sure, for show. Joe, Browns suck. At Brown's up. Oh, man. Go ahead. What they're talking about?

The Brown. No, that's the username, man. I'm not saying that. It said, Pac-Man looking like George Clinton. Brown suck came again with $10. He said, James, you've called the current defense trash in their alignment. Is that a lack of talent on the field or have the modern NFL rules just made your brand of football impossible to play? My comment of trash was their actual play.

And yes, it was scheme, alignment, assignment, assignment. Like, we don't know what we're looking at out there. And as far as where guys are supposed to feel because of how guys are playing or not playing, being taught, not taught, schematically, like, are you feeling where you're supposed to? Because we're seeing guys in two guys. We're also seeing guys that just are obviously getting, you know, pushed back into people. and then we have guys that looks like they're filling the wrong gap. So it looks schematically that it was just incorrect. And I know the alignment, assignment things were not the same as what they were when I played.

Hell, I don't even think they were the same as when you played, Joe. So looking at that, it's just not even, you know, 9-2. It's just, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm used to looking at something different. And we'll actually have a chance to possibly talk to someone who knows what that defense actually looks like. And they have trouble sorting through, just looking at it through play because of how much of it has changed. And you can't change a defense that is structured a certain way because when you change the defense, you change the roles and positions of the players and all that.

and you open up other gaps. Every defense, just like every offense, has one weakness. When you try and cover that one weakness, you open up multiple other weaknesses and, you know, spots where your defense can be hurt. And I think that's what we were dealing with a lot of in the last, you know, year or two. I think you want to look at it both way. When you're saying trash, like sometimes they just weren't playing well. And then sometimes, like you were saying, people being in two gaps, what is the system,

what is really going on? So I think it's a little bit of both. We know the players that we had out there, they're good enough. So we're just looking at the tape wanting to know you got to be in your, when you say alignment, assignment technique, be in your spot, when you're supposed to be there, have your eyes on the right place. So a lot of that stuff is some of that individuals, some of us that have you been coached.

So we're just going to be watching every week to see. But I feel like the players can make the plays. You just got to be able to do it every place. Because they have. Because we've seen them do it before. Yeah, yeah. Covenant Light, five dollars. She said, James, after the 100-yard returned in the Super Bowl,

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Sam, the next day, but the day after, because you stay there and I just wanted, I wanted to remember this one, to be honest with you. So the first one that I won, listen, I ain't go like you. I don't remember getting off the bus. I got on the bus and somebody handed me a bottle or something. And I don't remember getting off the bus. I had family, Joe, I had family come down that drove because it was at Detroit. They came down and I guess they kicked it with me.

I guess we went to casino. We did all that, you know, and they kicked it with me all night. And got up the next morning and my mom and dad like, hey, you did it a da-da-da. I'm like, who? Your brother, your sister, do-da-da. They came down. Like, no, they didn't. I ain't seen him.

So that was back when you had to wait for the film, you know, like, did develop. You know what I'm saying? Yes. They had little camera, the film got developed. And I'm like, oh, my God. I'm sitting there like, yeah, hey, duh, that. Out of it. Out of it.

And I was like, yo, if I win another one, I'm not drinking. I'm not doing it. I want to remember. So I did not, I did not drink. I wasn't at the gym, but after we got home, I did get to the gym the next day, though, for sure. Covenant, no, sorry. Brown's suck is back $5. God.

He said, hey, Brown's, hey, it said, hey, covenant life, asked Joe the same question. What did he do after the Steelers one? Joe, what did you do after the Steelers won? What? What I did it is? At the Steelers won what?

He's talking about the Super Bowl. We won in. What did you do after we won? What was you doing? I wasn't a part of the Steelers organization or nothing like that. So I don't even, I was just chilling. One thing I might have been out in, I don't even remember where I was at. I ain't going to lie.

It wasn't a celebration for you. I mean, this was before I, even, this before I played. I know, I understand. So I was just like. You just stopped. Your season was overweight in January and you didn't even, you didn't even know football. played after after after December to end of December did you I wasn't even in the I but I wasn't in the no I didn't do anything I was I was saying you finally found out that it was football played

after December at the end of December in 2017 that's when you found out right no I funny man dbo funny guy funny guy no I know I knew it was football all I was watching y'all for where I was at in Miami in the off season or California somewhere. Okay. I was watching the boys. Because you like backwards to that. She said, why don't Browns fans ever have to worry about their kids running away from home to join the circuits? Oh, why?

She said because they already spend every Sunday watching a group of clowns try to handle a football. Wow. Wow. Okay, covet it. Okay, covet it. Oh, she's funny. Now she's a comedian. Hold on, hold on.

She's back again. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. She's back again. Ha, ha, ha. 20, 20 bucks, Joe.

She's fire me up for the, just go ahead. She said, James, why did Ocho stop trying to bribe the rest with the dollar? Why? What you think? She said, why did Ocho stop trying to bribe the rest? with a dollar. I don't know. She said because he realized that if he really wanted to see a flag, all he had to do was

staying within five feet of you while they were greeting the quarterback. Nope. I ain't going to be something about you? Yeah. While I was greeting the quarterback. Oh, while you were greeting the quarterback. Yeah. They flagged the ball.

They flagged the dog pissed out of me. Yeah, they did because you were. was leading with that, leading with your dome. No, bro. If you hit too hard, if you hit too hard, you're going to get a flag. You'll get a flag. That's what it was. Yeah.

You got to realize, man. No, for sure, for sure. If it looks too bad. Like, listen, dude, they were trying to get out of that lawsuit. They knew it was coming up. That's what it was. They were trying to protect their money, man. Because prior to that, they'd making the big hits videos on it.

You got jacked, all that other stuff. Jacked up. Yes. Jacked up, all that. Like, come on, man. The picture of me popping him, they had it up already selling it. They only took it down after I said something about it. That's it.

Mm-hmm. Yep. Brow. You was out there hitting him. Brown suck. At Brown suck. I'm just telling you the names. Yeah, you scream.

You just bowed. I guess that's how many times y'all? Just read what he's... One over the career of your organization. $10. said, I enjoy the show so much, but these damn ads are out of control. By the way, the Steelers, hit Skip.

By the way, the Steelers will be going to the playoffs this year, and we will have number seven with Will Howard. I don't know. Mm. When I'm, I'm not. What do you think of that? What are you thinking of that, Joe? I'm not mad at it.

I'm not mad at it. I like, I like, we'll come out there and give us. Look, if Will comes out there. Defense come and give us. Yeah. What the defense is known to be able to give us. We got a, we got a damn good shot against Shep. Got a solid team, bro.

The players, the names, everybody, they got to go out there and perform. Like, we got, like, if you just looked at it on paper, paper looks amazing. Then we just need, like we said, that quarterback, if it was A-Rod in there, and I think this team that we have is better than the team that we had last year just as far as filling up as far as cornerback, safety on paper. So if everybody goes out there,

I think we have a better group all around. I think we have a better group all around. So if you go out there and everybody goes out there and performs to the level, everybody does their job, what they can do. I'm not asking nobody go out there and do above and beyond what we believe that they can do or what we've seen them do before.

like everybody goes out there and locks in, plays on their thing, plays complimentary football, special team. You're going to be taught the right things. You're going to be, everybody's going to be teaching the same thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You always been in the mix. So, you know what I'm saying? Now it's like, no, get over the edge.

Those games are you lose by a little, no, we find a way to win those games. And that's how you get to that 14 and 3. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not too difficult. Yeah. Yeah. Coming to light back again, $10. She said, I missed y'all because I had a physical.

That's why she missed. Okay. She said, I watched the replay, and James leave Joe's children alone. But she also said, Joe, coach him up. But I am for the baby son's team, the Steelers. Yes, thank you. You know, my- The Steelers.

She did say, okay, the Steelers team, okay. Both teams. I got two teams. My boy, my son was born in the land. Hey, I'm just saying, bro. She knows who she foe. We got another one right here. Canada back.

Duff Intel, gang, your 2799 Canadian. Love it. Joe, one of my buddies is a diehard Browns fan, and I'm obviously on the good side. Yes, sir, you are obviously on the good side. And when we signed you in 17, he was sad. you left but happy for you because he said they did you dirty. Please tell him it's okay to be a stiller. Wow.

It is. It is. I appreciate you. It is okay. It is okay to be a brown. It is okay to be a stil. No, it's not. Yes, it is.

Yes, it is. It's okay to be a stella. Hey. Y'all welcome me in there. It's okay. To be around. A, it's essential to be a still. You would have never knew what it felt like.

You would have went your whole career and you would have had nothing, nothing but the Browns to remember. You would have had nothing. You would have had no feel. You would have knew nothing about what legacy is. You would have knew nothing about what we did. Oh, don't do that. I do no legacy of losing.

Oh, gosh. You would have never even seen them at a party. in person. You got to walk by. Oh, God. Every day. It just, walk by in your facility.

Legendary. A legacy. Legacy. It just sucks. I didn't get to, you know what? I didn't get to bring one to either squad. So I,

it didn't matter. Those are other people's trophies. Those are your trophies. Those are Joe Green's trophies. You know. So I wasn't able to bring one to Cleveland, I wasn't able to bring one to Pittsburgh. I'm out there walking.

I'm out there play pimping, walking by y'all's trophies. So get out of here, Debo. Don't want to hear. Don't want to hear. I'm already, you know, I'm trying. You know, but you would have never knew what it felt like to actually be like, yo, we got a chance of winning the Super Bowl every year. You know what it feels like to say it.

You know what it feel like to say it. But actually be there when it's time that the group is made. that's go going. You know what it was? You know what it was, though, Debo? Because I was so freaking good in college that I had to get drafted to a team that wasn't as good yet. So when you go first round, seventh pick, sometimes you can't go to the best teams yet.

You know what I was trying to go. You know what I'm saying? That's why. I think that's really. That's why. That's why I made sure that I'm like, you know what? I'm going to go to a smaller school. Yeah.

Don't draft. Go to the best team ever. I don't want to be drafted. be there. You know why? Because I want to go where they're already good. Organization that I know, know how to do it. Not a team that you was drafted by that still can't do it, ain't never did it, and

will never be able to do it. Okay. You know? Okay. Yeah. Joe, you could have played there 30 years. And it still wouldn't have did it, huh? It still.

It still wouldn't have made no difference, Joe. Unit. But you know, it takes a 10. $2. Take the team. What you say, Joe? It takes a team. It takes a team, but y'all don't know how to build one over there in Cleveland.

He's trying right now. Hopefully they try. No, he's not. We already went over there. Aaron Berry started, he started tripping. He back there. He in McDonald's, he might do. He just talking about Todd Simpson, man.

Don't talk about Todd Simpson. We already got the quarterback spot right now. Mm-hmm. You're talking about the receivers. I'm happy. You're talking about the tackles, okay? Talking about defense alignment. Okay, yes, let's do it.

Why are we talking about quarterback right now? I'm just saying, man. You know what you? I'm just saying, dude. We got unit 25, 10, $2. He said, do you think we need to move 90 around more? I don't think we need to move 90 around more. I honestly just think the whole scheme of what we were doing, dude,

was just so off and so changed. Like I said, I was saying before, like when you, you go and you change a defense and you have a guy doing something that he doesn't do anymore. Now, I'm going to keep it. Listen, we go get the ball on here, okay? I'm saying. Okay, so we'll get Dicklebone on here. I was trying to hold it back, but we'll go get him on here, okay? But what you got to understand is this defense right here, it gives a certain look.

Now, as long as you keep that look, you got three or four other defense that look exactly. the same, but it's different people coming and different responsibilities. Now, if I change what one person is doing, I lose the effect of these three other defenses. Now they can tell them apart. We started changing stuff. And what is Dick LeBow's defense?

You can't do that. So you lose the threat of certain things. So if you go and change him around, you're not doing anything, but letting them know that he's going to rush from this other side because it's not defenses where he's going to be on that side. When I would switch sides, Dick LeBoe had two or three other defenses where I would be

on that side doing something totally different from what the one is that they wanted me on that side for. Yes. So we lost a lot of that in that process. Look, let me tell you this. Let me get back to you keep on talking about the Brown's legacy. How about Jim Brown, we did win the championship in 64? So you got to just, yeah, I don't care.

It's not even called a Super Bowl. It's called a championship. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. You just got to put it. Just got to say that.

Okay. You got to say that. Brown's legacy ended. Anything disrespect. Yes. Because we just can't disrespect. Okay. Just can't disrespect, Jim Brown.

I mean, the Lions World three won three world championships then, too, so. But you know what? Talk about it. And the legacy ended. Okay. Listen. Listen. Barry couldn't even get one.

Coldest. Couldn't even get one. Yeah. No, for sure. And I couldn't even get one. And that's what I'm telling you, though. Do you think that it's, do you think Matthew Stafford, prime example, he was in there the whole time, dodging and dealing, doing what he had to do for the lines? Do you really think that it was just because of Matthew Stafford, they didn't win a championship?

Soon he go to the Rams. Team, organization, he's doing his 11th championship. Like, it's hard to win championships. There are amazing talents. Barry Sanders, like you said, Calvin, without one. All of Buffalo Bills that went there, Jim Kelly went there in a row, smacked. So, Debo, feel honored that you was on the team with all the amazing players with you, alongside you, the amazing coaches, the amazing staff, the amazing owner. Yes.

It took everything. Listen, I've been trying to tell you this. It took everything. Hey, it could be done. Time is up. Time is up, man. I'm good. I'm good on this show.

One, two, three. It was done by the chief to Mr. Rooney, old man, to art. Now, hey, you know who next? Little Dan, he's going to be after that, baby. Yeah, Lil Dan on the way. I love Lil Dan. And Lil Dan will hit every part.

And Lil Dan have been everywhere. Stop playing with me, man. Look here, man. We got, we got two more. we go hit through real quick. Okay. We got, oh my goodness, we got, we got Chip one, we got Chip. Is that, it's Chip, I think it's Chip.

I think it's Chip. I think it's Chip. I want to say it's Chip. Debo and Joe, if you had to build 17 and no defense with current and retired players, what would you want on that squad? Dude, who would I want on that squad? Listen, I'm just going to have to tell you, we've got to come back on that one. That's more time than we got.

That's a segment. I want to run that. We can run that set. We'll run that back. We'll run that back. We'll get to y'all on that one tomorrow. And coming to life, hit us back again, $10. Do you, do y'all cut what?

Do y'all have cut up today? You all have cut up today. I'm here for it. I'm going to apply to drive the golf cart for Tyco. Oh, my God. See, that's what? I'm going to apply to drive. drive the golf cart for Tiger Woods.

Joe come down to the Masters and help me root for my boy Bryson. Deschambo. DeCambo. Deschambo. Deschambo. Who is Bryson Deschambleau? Bryson Deschamboe is a professional golfer

that's nice as hell, Dee Bo. And he probably might try to go win the Masters. Probably. I think he might, I think he's won it before. Big time YouTuber, great golfer. I follow Bryson Deschambo. I'm going to be watching for show. And Tiger Woods.

Is Tiger going to be able to play? Brother, did you not just see Tiger Woods just flip his whip? They say he ain't hurt herself, so. This is what I'm telling you, man. I love Tiger. Sad. Tiger, you got too much dough. You got to just get a driver.

You got to. You got to. You don't need my man, Tiger, out here. Everybody wants Tiger to win for sure. and then just flipping the car it's a lot of car truck listen me bro you ain't you don't need to be behind a wheel that's what I'm saying he's a plane

if you have a plane that's right you flipping lip like you flipping whips left you got too much paper like I don't know what it is I know I'm a type of person I like to drive myself I like to drive myself that's what I'm saying but you got to know if I can't drive

I'm going to let somebody else drive I tell you, you know what, Joe, I take it back. I'm the type of person that I would let somebody else drive me. I just don't want to pay for it. But the kind of money Tiger got, I wouldn't drive. Tiger Woods. That's why Joe don't drive. Joe don't drive.

When I was out there, I had to, look, Debo, this is what I'm saying. People like to drive. Yeah, you had a driver. Go ahead. Tell them you had a driver come all the way out to Cali. I did have a driver. I did have a driver. And that's because every time, sometimes I was for my kids,

sometimes I was for family. But ever I went out and went to the golf course, I knew I was going to have a couple of beverages with my friends. So why would I even risk just if you ever going to drink? People can get Uber's, all that. But like, you don't like Uber's. I don't mind Uber, but I'm like, at the day, the Uber's are getting expensive. Uber's 150 for a trip.

James Lee said he want to drive because of privacy concerns. I understand that. But what you go and do is you go and get you a NDA. Yes. You get you an NDA. and you get you something that roll up, lock up, Dibot, a thousand percent. And the back end of it, whatever that is, I don't know.

Unless you just don't want to be whoever you with, I don't know. But my thing is get you, get you a non-disclosure agreement and keep it moving like that. And that's not hard. You ain't got a homeboy that you trust. You know what I'm saying? Like, Dibu. I'm going to hire my Achebone cone for I go and just out here reckless. I'm telling you.

And you can have a 12. 24-7. I'm talking about 24-7 driver. On-co. On command, on that money he got? I've got a 24-7 drive. If I had that kind of joke,

I ain't cooking, I ain't eating leftovers. I'm being like Tom Brady, shut. I ain't, they don't even know what the microwave, they don't even know how, they don't even know what it is

to warm up food no more. Tom said he ain't warmed up no food like seven, eight years. A leftover. What? Yes, brother. That's all I eat. Moving.

They move and groove. and sliding in a different type of level. Brud, listen. Hey, we over, over, over. Over. Listen, we want to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of DeBo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe and download where you get your show. Joe.

Yes, sir. Look here, man. We'll be back here tomorrow. Y'all heard what Joe say. Same time, same place. And on top of that, we go talk about that 17 and 0. What would our defense look like? Current.

Retired. Are we talking about? about Steelers, or we're talking about Browns, are we talking about NFL overall? Steelers. Steelers, all right, back. Why am I going to go get somebody else when the greatest players in the world are stillers?

Okay, no, you see, I got some Browns that can go on the list. Who? I'm going to give you my... Dang, calm. All right, my bad, my bad. We're going to talk about, we're going to get back to it, man.

Yeah, tomorrow. We're doing. We go there. We go. Paytime, same place, coach. All right. All right, boy. We out. Ready for a different take on Formula One?

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