Club Shay Shay - Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Steelers waiting on Aaron Rodgers decision + Jim Schwartz resigns

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as the react to reports that Pittsburgh Steelers QB Aaron Rodgers still mulling over retirement decision, Pittsburgh salary cap issues, Jim Schwartz resigning as Cleveland Browns DC, and much more! 00:00 – Aaron Rodgers Steelers Future15:20 – David Njoku Not Returning to Browns18:00 – Jim Schwartz Resigns25:40 – Sam Darnold Loses Money in Super Bowl (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to Pittsburgh, man. Listen, Rogers, they still wait, no, Aaron Rogers, it says, oh, Lord, what, like, 100%, we're here, we're in the off-season. You have the opportunity to bring him back, we're not bringing him back.

What are you doing? I'm putting you as a GM owner. What are you doing? Head coach. You're head coach. That's got to be the first person that wants him back. He wants to come back. What are you doing?

He wants to come back? He wants to come back. I want to start a new. I mean, I love Aeron. I love him to death. I'm ready, like I said, I'm ready for the ship to sink or swim. We're going to get Will Howard,

and we're going to see like another quarter, we got to bring another quarterback in. He showed us what he could do last season. I'm not mad at A-Rod, and that's as far as we're going to be able to get. I'm tired of this still as just being medium of the pack. That's the best we're going to get. We're going to get A-Rod back again, and then we'll lose in the first round, and then we'll still be sitting there in the same position.

Let's either lose so we can figure out what we got to do, or I just don't think that we're going to ever really be able to get back to the top until we find a real quarterback. and just making putting band-aids on it and just being like, no, A-Rod's going to hold it down for this season. And then, no, we got, nobody's getting any younger. You know what I'm saying? T.J., Highsmith, we're talking about these dudes.

We're talking about Jalen being on the team. So it's going to be a complete rebuild or like this, like, last year, I felt like that was a big shot. We got D-K. We got J-Len. We got everybody. We got A-Rod. Wouldn't try to do all that.

And you saw what happened. So now I'm like, what are we going to just run it back? And we're going to keep riding it again? No. I'd rather not. I'd rather start somewhere different. I'd rather just try anew. Start anew.

Start a new. Start fresh. Yeah. I'm with you on that 100%. And the big thing that I like about it, if as I see us going that route is that we did get Angelico. And he was, you know, the passing game offensive coordinator for Minnesota when your boy was there to just won Super Bowl.

Yeah. Sam. And Sam Darnel was there when they made like he was done. He couldn't do anything. And he ended up being what we just saw. And he's the person that was there helping to develop him. You know what I'm saying? Giving him the ends out, all the other stuff. So I like it.

And I'm with you. I'm like, yo, let's see what we have with Will Howard and run it from there and pick up whatever it is that we need to pick up to fill out the rest of those two spots or one spot, whatever it is. I just, I don't, I mean, I like who we got, what's his name, who's the backup right now? Will?

No, that was played last year. Mason? Mason. Rudolph, yeah. Like, you know what you're going to get with him. I don't like what I'm going to get with him. And if that's the case, if Will don't work out, I need to have something else that either I don't know what I'm going to get with and I'm going to take a chance of seeing what I can. They got to be planning.

They have to be planning right now for somebody else. There has to be somebody. They got to be doing the research, something. They got to know a plan because right now, I mean, if Will's not in the locker room, we got Aaron Rogers, 42, undecided. He's still chilling trying to figure. it out, we can't just be sitting there waiting on Arod, you know, we got to just, we got to move forward. Like, that's just still going to put us in the past.

What are we waiting for? Like, we already got a new coach. We got the new coaching staffs. We got new, the new is here. McCarthy. And then you're bringing it back from 12 years ago, trying to run it back with the old green bay? No, I want a good, I want a new.

I like, let's get, let's get some, let's get some new shit going, new energy, like, all that, like, waiting on this. No, no, no, no. None of it. Yeah, I'm, like I said, I'm with you 100% on that. I just don't, nothing against Aaron or anything like that. Zero against Aaron. Zero.

We got to ride it out, bro. Like, we either go rise or crash and burn. And, you know, whichever process that is, I'm hoping it's to, you know, it rises. And we're able to, you know, do what's necessary to bring back that seventh number. Barty, but if it crashes and burns, that'll be an opportunity to be able to go get something that, you know, will be able to be, you know, one of those franchise quarterbacks. For a long time. Right.

Right. Right. For a long time, dude. Long time. What about, what about the, what about the offensive line, brother? They show flashes. Mm-hmm. That's the thing.

A lot of the times when we said, come out there, establish the run. went on first down, we would win on first down. And sometimes we would look, and it wouldn't look like we could win on first down. So it's consistency. It's consistency. They would do the right players. They could show us that they could do it. I'm like, I can't sit out here and be like this.

No, our offensive line was trash. They weren't trash. They weren't trash. They executed better than they did at certain times than others. You know what I'm saying? My thing is just consistency. Like you said, too, it's another year. Rookies that they had in the goddamn Patriots, those dudes look trash.

These dudes look like they had good spurts and bad spurts. So, like, if our team could just lock in. So you telling me the rookies, they had at the Patriots, had worse year than the... Campbell. Dillers? Yep. Did?

That's what you're saying? Yep. Okay. Yep, that's what I'm saying. Okay. So I'm lying, line, line? Line? Line we can still, maybe alignment or two.

But that's not, our line, I'm not even going to say alignment. No, no. Wide receivers. Okay. Straight up. Straight up. Like, if we can't. Well, we've also got to be able to get the ball to them.

I understand. I understand that. But, God damn, if they're nice enough, they're going to be open. You know what I'm saying? Maybe we'll get some better route trees and stuff coming in there, too. But our receivers weren't good enough to get open on one-on-one. I love D.K. I wouldn't have signed them back.

I would have made them void at that 30. And when I got a number one legit that I think is out there on that island, a real live X, like that go over there, run a slant on them, you're going to be open. Run a dig on them, you're going to be open. Run a little stutter and go, you're going to be open. Like, that's what I. So we need some real go-getters at the wide receiver position, I think. And then linebackers, some people that are going to come knock some shit backwards. Do you know what I'm saying?

I understand that. We got that in Harrison, but we only got that. No, but Harris is simply, hey, he got no, we ain't got no, we got no real moving. It's just straight downhill. When you say, when you say, no, when you say Harrison, I don't want to hear that. He's just going to talk about you can just run in there and just hit. That's it. Can you do both?

We need, no, we need to get nice. You got to do both. You just can't be in there. Just run, yeah, it's a running game. Boom, put your head down. I need you to have, be aware, be able to know. Don't come down, don't bite the cheese. You need to be able to come down and fill, and then don't bite the cheese and intercept the dig.

We need, like, be dubbed. Are they being taught that? Are they being taught that? We've seen that same thing happening too much every time. Like, maybe they get an opportunity now to actually be like, yo, damn, this is an epiphany. We're supposed to do this? When did that happen? That's why I'm telling you, too.

We're going to be getting a chance to really be on the coaching staff because is it being coached? When we keep seeing dudes run down and. Who's our linebacker coach? Hmm Do we have one yet? I don't know I think he might be waiting on me Mike give me a call

babe I'm telling you That's what I'm saying Hey look As soon as you be the lineback coach I'd be on this drill like this Debo Your linebackers

Is taking the fucking cheese Oh no It was biting That Never that Never that I don't Man I don't keep no

I don't keep no rats around Like cheese Okay Okay okay You're coach him all nice If they go catch us It's going to have to be Some peanut butter on there

something. You know, we ain't biting the cheese, man. We can't buying the cheese. Hell, no. We can't do none of that, man. We can't do none of that. No, I'm telling you, though, you're going to have to keep them. Look, it's the accountability. The coaching staff is going to have a linebacker's coach, do we, bro? They're waiting. They, they, all is talking, you keep doing, and I think they're waiting on you. No, no, I'm dead, I'm dead, who, damn, who out there? I think about that. Well, I'm not coaching, bro. I don't know. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm I can't do it. It won't happen because they don't pay enough, man.

They don't pay enough, man. Listen, I'm trying to tell you, man. Listen, that's one of those things where, like, you're like the goal of, you know, you had a distorted view because you were over here in Cleveland, okay? I got a distorted view because I actually played the game. I won Super Bowls, and I was paid a certain amount of money to do that. So, and I spent probably the most time in the facility. and training and everything than 99% of the people.

Now, you're telling me that every coach actually does more time than I did, at least the good ones, do 90% of them, do more, 99% of them, do more. It's been more time there than I do, and you're telling me you want to cut me down to less money? No, bro, I can't, I'm sorry. My love for the game of coaching it. and being able to deal with the players. So now you need some money.

What? Okay. You, I got to deal with and manage people that aren't going to be the same mindset as me. Dude, that will drive you crazy. So you got to, that's what, that's what coaches do. Look, that's when you say, great coaching is what you have.

You're going to get it out of your players to perform better than one thing you got. And I think you could do that, Debo. No, no, no, no, you got to understand something, too. you got to get players that have that mentality too. So when you go to drafting and picking up players, you need to be able to see that, read that, understand that, and be like, okay, this is the player that I can get to do what I need to have done because they have the drive and motivation to want to do it.

Not the player that just got the talent and don't want to do nothing, but be like, yeah, I'm talented. I can't stand that player. I can't stand that player. It don't, yeah. I can't, I can't, I couldn't do it. I don't even know how, I don't, yeah, you got to have a true love for the game or, you know. I, man, I could definitely coach them joints, bro.

I know you could. I know you could. Because when you get into that, they want to be. If I had the choice of being able to sit in. I'm Dylan Playfair. And I'm Tyler Smith. We're putting loneliness in the penalty box by talking to some of our favorite athletes about the importance of friendship. This is bromance.

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or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the unpurposed podcast. On a recent episode, I sat down with Nick Jonas, singer, songwriter, actor, and global superstar. The thing I would say to my younger self is congratulations. You get to marry Priyanka Chopra Jonas. And also, you know, your daughter is incredible. That's beautiful, man. Yeah, thank you.

That's so beautiful. I can see that got you a little. Yeah, for sure. Our daughter, she came to the world under sort of very intense circumstances, which I'd not really talked about ever. Growing up on Disney in front of million, how did that shape your sense of self? I went blank, I hit a bad note, then I couldn't kind of recover. And I had built up this idea that music and being musician was my whole identity. I had to sort of relearn who I was.

took this thing away. Who am I? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And be like, yo, I want to go through the interview process of, you know, doing the interviews for the players and getting the understanding of that player. I want to talk to that, I want to talk to your family. I want to talk to your mom. I want to talk to your daddy. If you got a long-term girlfriend, I want to talk to her. You're married. I want to talk to your wife. I need to understand the whole character or the person that I'm going to either draft or bring to this organization

if I can know that what I see on the field is just, oh, that's great and gravy. But if you behind the scenes is a person that don't nobody want to deal with, you know best, everything in your way, you can't take no coaching. I was that dude, dude, I couldn't take no coaching, bro. You couldn't take coaching? It's because I was so insecure to let people know that I think. know what I was doing. I just used that as my shield of, oh, okay, okay. You know? Damn. That's what it was, bro. Like, I had to get over that and just be like, you know what?

It ain't, it ain't no problem to ask for help. Yeah. I'm like, you know what? I'm just so, you know, I don't want to let them know, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't want to, I don't want to look like the person that, you know, is asking a bunch of questions. You know. That's crazy. I would expect, look, because I was the opposite. Like, and I normally knew the stuff, but when I went to Florida, I never played Corner a day in my life. So I got switched and started playing Corner my freshman year of Florida. I had no choice but to ask questions.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I just wanted the coach, and I had a great DB coach, Vance Bedford, and he taught me. He played the game, and he taught me the game. Like, stance, alignment, assignment technique, and all that stuff. like a robot. I'm not going to lie. The first year I learned again, because I just wanted to be in my spot. I wanted to make sure my job was done exactly right. You told me to jam him

inside coach. I'm going to jam them both sides. I want to do exactly. I look robotish, but I was doing exactly what I needed to do. So, accent, being able to understand because if you don't... It's a big difference, though. You came in you came into the league, Joe. You're a draft. You're a draft. Yes, I came in high,

Debo. You came in high. It's a big difference between what you get as far as an attention. And what I get as far as an undrafted dude that they just like, yo, you're a fucking roster spot. You're just to fill this void until the camp.

Okay, no, I feel you with, no. On that side, on that side, yeah, listen to you. You know you need to come back. You got the coach that just don't even really, my coach, my first coach, dude. That dude, run over everything. And I'm like, hey, hey, before I can get a question, boy, I'm about room.

Okay, no, no, no. And I'd look at me like, I don't. I get you on that. I get you on that. That part, that part when you carry your coach like this. What you mean? You ain't get it when you're like, you're not, you're the undrafted dude.

It's a different situation. I completely understand. That's when you want to see you hopefully then had a cool vet that knew the game and wasn't worried about his job, wasn't worried about getting this plot tuck in. That's not, man, look. They ain't the word about getting my spot took in. No, no, no, no, this is what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah.

I'm talking about you. I'm talking about you in the league and you're a young player that comes in and you don't really know. You want to go ask a vet that's something that's like this, man, get out of here. Not trying to help. Or you got a vet that's comfortable in his own skin, knows he's chilling his job, cool. Here, man, give you some game. Tell you what's going on. Like, no, this is how you need to do it on this defense, boom, boom.

So that's what I would have tried to look at then. Because I know the young dudes, when they come in, coaches, maybe not. A quality control guy. A vet, hopefully that's cool. Those would it be the dudes that you could probably ask the question soon. Because, you know, I know exactly what you're saying. You're looking at the coach, like, man, if you don't get your dumb out my face, You're just, just get out my way.

They don't, they're not looking to help you. They're looking to help the draft picks. Completely understanding. Yeah, they look. Yeah, don't let me waste my time on you. And most of the time, they don't vouch for the dude. They don't picked up anyway. They don't vouch for him.

Like, yeah, can't come in there. Dude, I sat behind the cat for like three years, bro, because he was like a second round draft choice, brother. Let's go over here to Cleveland, though. Your boy, say he's not returning to the Browns. Tight-in. how you say that name? David Njoku.

In Joku. David Njoku said he is not returning to the Browns, brother. What's going on? You know why, man. You know how it goes, man. It's time. You know, my man, David and Joe. Hey, he didn't put out no cryptics statement.

That boy said, I believe in. First of all, I love you. His deal? His deal is up, my brother. He's going to be an unrestricted free agent. That boy said, don't call me. Don't think I'm coming back. No, no.

He signed a four-year, but I can tell it. I think this is more to the six. he signed a four-year, $54 million deal. And the season we just played was the last year on it. Harold Fannan, Jr., rookie. He's on a four-year, 6.7, 1.6 a year, and he just went to the, basically went to the Pro Bowl. So, I mean, it's nine years.

I know Joku Baller been great for the Browns and great for the city, but it's kind of how the game goes. You know what I'm saying? Like times they're not going to resign. I mean, it seems like, He doesn't want to come back for maybe, maybe they talked to see what he got some feelers out. Like, hey, man, I thought about bringing me back. This looks like they already had the conversations.

They look like they didn't want to deal. So he knows he's going to be unrestricted free agent. It's just a buy to the city. You know, he's still playing. He got plenty options of places to go. But with Cleveland right now, you know how that gets. When it gets to the later end of your career, you just finished, closed it out. You're trying to figure out what's going on.

That looks like to me. They talk to him and his age. The agent reached out to them. reach back, it's like this. Don't look like too much going to be going down in Cleveland. So he's like, all right, I'm going to go ahead and say my goodbyes. Okay. It makes sense.

That makes sense. Because they got it like, he was like, yo, I ain't returning. Like, your approach reasoning it out, me sitting back instead of, you know, just making like everybody want to get out of Cleveland, what's they do? Which they do. What's they do? No, what's they don't. No, not they don't.

They don't unless they get the bag, Miles. Ah, man, listen, everybody wanted to get out of Cleveland, but did we have somebody that wanted to stay, man? You do wanted to stay. Gay, did. He wanted to stay bad. And he had to go ahead and give a, giving his, what was it, his resignation, what was it, a couple days ago. Jim Schwartz said, you know what, man. That man, Jim Swartz said.

I resign, man. Brown still ain't got to D.C. What y'all going to do, Joe? We're going to get to D.C. That's what we're going to. We're going to get to D.C. But the general. Who will you go get to come to Cleveland?

I don't know, D.bo. I don't know. Who would you like to come to Cleveland, Joe? You want to go be D-Coronator? No. Wow. You don't want to help your team. I do want to help my team.

I do love so much that you was running your mouth to me with. When y'all actually had a, y'all beat us. It was what? You don't want to go? I love. I do. I do. I do. I don't want to just, look, I need to get my, I need, I want to, I, I'm not, you're doing a lot of stuttering, Joe. When you're not ready yet, I'm not ready yet. I'm not ready yet. You do a lot of that. I'm not ready yet. We need to get a, we need to get a solid DB.

We need to get a solid defensive coordinator. I'm just, look, we're talking about, you said you are ready. So you, you, you, I'm not ready. I'm not, I'm not going to come in there after Jim Swartz and come down there and just like, I don't got my scheme all set up yet. I got it. I got it. No, I'm not ready. I'm going to use his. I'm going to use his. Stay there, stick with what works. Why am I going to come in there and try and change the recipe?

Everybody want to put their own twist on shit and look what happens. That's why I need to change something that has a platinum. It's platinum. This is how it works, dude. It's ruled out. In every office defense, no matter how it's ruled out, has a weakness. And if they blitz too many, the quarterback got a note of hot and get it out. And if they hit a spot, you got to know.

to, hey, they go get 10, 12, tackle to catch. Go in there, take his defense, and make it, yo defense, Joe. Listen, also, man, I don't know, man. Where was Schwartz's head coach at? Where was his head coach at? Wasn't it the Detroit line? Yeah, it was Detroit. Hey, hey, I'm hearing the man got a little ego, too.

I'm hearing the man got a little ego. I mean, by little, I say, little eagle. And like this right here, man, just took off on him. I can't believe that he took off on us. I mean, I can't believe it because he wanted the head coaching job. He wanted it bad. But I would have hoped that the owners told me. All these players are talking about gym this, gymnas, gymnet, love Jim, hell Jim.

He said, oh, they ain't given me the job. You guys, I'm gone. That ain't love, bro. But he felt like he deserved better. I feel like he should have them. I understand he deserved better. He only had one year left, man. Go ahead, get your boys, get your boys that last year.

Get that boy that last year, man. The Brown needs a house. You ain't about to get a job nowhere else anyway. You just resign. That's the death penalty for a coach just leave up out of there. And you wasn't even a good head coach. You were trash. And you still under contract.

Yes. And you was a trash head coach. Yeah, that's not a good look. worst to ever do it. Dang. I'm just saying. Yeah, with the, as, as a record show. 30th worst, 300 and something worse ever in something?

Like, come on. Yeah, man. I mean, I understand, but I also understand that, prime example, like, if you really cared about these dudes, like, yo, let's go. I'm under contract anyway. I got one more year. I'm going to swallow this.

Let's run it back. We do one more year. And then because, yes. And then he go go get enough. And how does it work if you just resign and you're under contract? Like, do he got to pay that back? How does that work? What's the, I don't even know how coach this.

Is that like he, he just, he just for, did he, like, can you ever go anywhere else because I own you? I got your, I got your rights. Is that like a player trying to retire to get out of a deal and then just come back? Like, Ron, when he retired, he retired. He retired and he came back. And they had to give, they had to give some, something to, uh, New England to get him in, uh, Tampa. Yep.

Like, do you think that they are going to allow you to come back and coach anywhere after you just did this? I'm going to tell him, hey, listen, what you want to do to keep or get this man? And then they go say, well, we're willing to do this. And I'm going to say, give me a hundred and fifty million not letting him coach for you. You just went and screwed us over like this. You ain't going to never get another ego. My ego go talk as an owner.

My ego go talk, bro. You ain't letting him go for nothing. No, I ain't letting him go for nothing. You think you left because you got the, oh, I'm going to miss me. No, you go miss never getting the job in the NFL again. That's ego talk. Yeah, he got to play that deal out, brother. You got one more year left and they ball in.

I know you and your feelings. You wanted to be the head. coach, but come on. Hey, you everybody don't get what we want? Everybody doesn't give what we want. Like, it ain't nobody that thought, oh, we don't give him the head job. He's just going to leave, resign.

Leave the contract. Now you have nowhere you can go without the Cleveland Browns that has them saying, hey, we'll allow this. If you give a back. I'm going to make the price so high that nobody will touch you. Yeah. You on the shelf. You are on the shelf.

I don't need to be. he can't go pro, he can maybe go back to college, maybe? I don't even know. I don't know. We got to look and see what his contracts say. He got to look at the little fine print in that joint. Like, yeah, we got to check into that. They might got to trade them.

They could see they could, yeah, he could be traded. Right, but trade him for what, what are you, I'm a trading. Yep. Who is? Right. What you're going to get for him. Right. Would you go give me the trading?

to you, I'm going to make the price so high, bro. Like, I'm going, like you were acting out as a ego-driven, whatever you want to call it, I'm going to act ego-driven because I now have control of if you ever did a job in the NFL again. That's the craziest move ever. Yeah. You got to think about when a player sit out, sit out, you just sit down. You can sit out as long as you want to.

It don't count until you get that year. Oh. You said a player can sit out. Bro, you got, you, you can sit out. They still own you for the next year because you ain't, you ain't play under that year. But don't you get, uh, and aren't you getting fined if you don't show up?

Yeah. I don't know the coaches. Do the coaches get fined? No, no. He resigned, though. But that's like he, that's like, you can't get fined except if you, like, a player. Can the player, the player is resigning, like the same thing as retiring?

It's retiring. They can ask for money back. Okay. Depending on how it is or where it is. Or who you are. Will I be damn? Like, that's why, like, yeah, give me that money back, bro. Y'all, y'all, y'all got to get that on up over here, baby.

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I need more. I need more. More money. Speaking of money, man. Oh, man. Boomer. Boomer, boomer said, boomer said that Sam Darnel lost money playing in the Super Bowl because of California.

taxes, bro. That is, when I first read it, I didn't understand what you're saying. I totally understand it once I went through it, bro. I did it until I started reading it. And then I said, oh, this doesn't make any sense. Zero. Zero. NFLPA, I'm with him.

NFLPA need to shut it down, never play another Super Bowl in the state of California again until it is NFLPA needs to go to the NFL. We are not playing in California Super Bowls until you killed. this jock tax. That's crazy. I got to pay you a whole percentage of my salary. And Debo, Debo. Not just the week I played

there the whole year. Let me start this. Debo, we want to start this all by saying, I want to start this all by saying. People, please understand this. I understand when you're like, don't talk about, if you're making money, da-da-da-da, like, it's a lot of money. The hell with all that. The hell with all that. I'm just trying to break this down

to you and it makes zero sense. He made me come outside myself. When you, in your salary, though, Debo, in your salary, you know, during the playoffs, you're not getting paid your salary. No. Right? Like, this playoff football. Dude, it don't even matter if I am being played my salary.

Okay. They're taxing the whole year, Joe. Each, that's what I'm saying. Each team makes a hundred. How could you get, you make a hundred, so each team made $178,000, right? Mm-hmm. Each player. Each player makes $178,000.

At one. for the Super Bowl. The ones that lost, they lost more money. The ones that lost, oh my, yeah. So they probably get, what, a hundred maybe? It don't, it don't, it doesn't matter. It don't even say. They're still taxing their whole base.

Their whole base, okay. And you're getting half the pay for the loss. So they got 178. What's the name, probably got like 70-something. 70-some? So they're getting hit even harder. They're hitting you seven for duty? They call it duty days.

Of them staying out there for seven days, they're getting hit each day that they're out in Los Angeles. On your whole check. Patrick Milhomes, if he was 50, you hitting him on 50 and he only made, if he won, he only made 178. Huh? All I know is. You hit him on the whole 50. The thing that doesn't make sense to me, though, Debo, is if you want to live out there, Joe, crazy. This is what I'm saying.

How can it go over what? you made there. You going to play at Super Bowl. Super Bowl is $178,000 you made in the game, right? You leave with a bill of $250,000 and you're getting

taxed on your check already. So you coming out to jail, after that $178,000, he might see 80 of it, $85,000, and then he's going to have to pay $250 because you went out there to prepare to play in the Super Bowl.

That is one of the, of the craziest things I've ever heard. Like, even if he had to take the, like, even if, like, even if, he won a Super Bowl and lost money. If he had to go play and he got a check for $178,000 to play in a Super Bowl, and they took the whole check. That's still crazy. But you take the whole check and then tell a man,

he got to write you a check for $71,000 out of his pocket when he just came out here and played in the game. And you already took the 178. And now you're going to just be like, No, you got to write another check, Fulio, because you was out here practicing. Hold up. Hold up. Look at this, though. Look at this, though. Think about how much money it brings the state of California when everybody is flooding there. And now we brought the Super Bowl here. Hundreds of millions of dollars. And you're pulling more money out the boys' pockets.

You talk about everybody's money. They take money at the MVP pocket to come out there and play. How? That's crazy. Brough. bruh, I knew it was a reason I, I, I wasn't go, well, I just, I wasn't going to move anyway. I like, I like the changes of weather. It makes you appreciate a, a 40-degree day, you know, so. Oh, Joe, Joe. All I know.

NFLPA, who is the NFLPA current executive director? Whatever you doing, and like I said, he will only be there for so long. I'm still waiting on them to get me the information, but I need to do to run for the NFLP executive director. But I ain't got, I ain't heard of none. none hide no hair yet from it. Debo. They say they was going to notify. It ain't notified nobody.

But anyway, like I said, NFLPA needs to be on the NFL's neck and let them know we ain't playing in the state of California to y'all get rid of that jock tax. That's crazy. That's come most like though, Debo, when it couldn't, like, in the Pro Bowl, if we went to Hawaii? L.A. It's in L.A. It's in L.A.? Yes.

Are they going to, are they going to job tax for being out there for the week in L.A? Pro Bowl and this thing like you're getting job. If any, that's why it's a jock tax. You play a sport out there. You getting it. You getting it. And then they say, oh, it don't matter. Don't nobody care.

Yeah, don't nobody care because how many percentage of people are professional at least? They got the money. Let's get it. Let's hit is that. That's crazy. You win the Super Bowl, Sam, and the MVP. Hey, they need a, they need a tech tax.

They got enough tech out there. They can get a lot of money from. that. Oh, my goodness, Debo. That's crazy work. I couldn't believe it. I didn't think, I didn't, I thought that he got taxed, ridiculous amount of money off of his like 178. No, bro. I couldn't believe they said, what are you telling me? This man had to write a check for a quarter M. Huh? Why? They out there still in. No. They, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they raping. I was out here

raping them by. You know, 34, I was, I was murdered. I'm gonna kill him. These boys couldn't touch me. I ain't never got no red shirt.

Brough. Ain't that red shirt me? Red shirt me. I got a red shirt because I only got a red shirt on because it's camp day. You know what I'm saying? Brough.

Yeah. They got to, they got to fix that. That's all, all, all on the NFLPA. Leadership. and making sure they're doing what is best for the players,

the players and not what is best for the league. You know what? That's when they started making it to where, like, you know how you got to file taxes in every state you're playing? Yes. I used to be the NFL, I have to do that. The teams, they switched that on over to us. To the players, it makes you have to do it.

Oh, yeah, buddy. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, buddy. No question, Joe. Joe, it's 12. Hey, we got super chats. What we got D? What we got right here.

We got Michaela Randall 8843 donated $10. Keep it real, D-Boe. Will you still learn D-Line defense and start coaching? What's D-Line defense? What's that? Will you still learn D-Line defense and start coaching? Hey, Joe, I don't know. I don't know what they said.

I ain't going to lie. So down long, Joe is me being out Baltimore. Do you think it's wrong for me to be a Steelers fan? 43 is the reason I'm a fan. 43 over 28. Wow. I mean, look, to each its own, I ain't going to lie. I'm from Maryland.

They keep wanting me to be a Washington, D.C., it was a cow. It was a Brarskins fan back in the day. My grandfather was big Redskins fan. But be a fan of who you like. If you like Troy, Troy, one of the best safeties to ever do. it. So if that's who you like and that's why you started rocking with the team, rock with your team. Don't let nobody tell you who can be your favorite team because it's your favorite team. I got you. Listen, this got to be somebody young because my sons be writing like that and I'll be like,

yo, what are you saying, bro? Appreciate you. Appreciate you. No question. Oh, it came back again with another one. Oh, they say we got 12 drive pigs? Yeah. They said we got 12? That's what I'm saying, Debo. Hey, we got, we got 12, for real? Dude, we're going to have to dive into that and check that out for sure. That's what I'm saying. Line receivers, linebackers,

fire. And if it's 12, you know, got to always be 12. We can make it, 12 sounds good, but a good, a good 8 is better than just 12. If we could trade to get two of those to get a good one or somebody that we really,

like a better pick, yes. Don't just be getting just people to have people. If we see that we can make eight of those picks be really, really good, don't just get 12 guys. Don't just get 12 guys. Let's figure it out. Let's make it work. Let's make it make sense.

Let's get the best player. Let's get what we need. No, we're going to get 12 of what we need and what's the best. But if we got 12, that is for sure. We will definitely, we're going to check that out. And if we got, we will definitely be talking about that. Uh-huh. Coming up on the next one.

But I got another one right here from Foxy Mama. Four, three, two, one. Donated $5 said, would you go coach with Coach Prime? Would you go? Yeah. Would I go coach with Coach Prime? I'm not, we just talked about this. I know I can't get enough money in college.

I just, you know, it ain't about who I'm coaching for. It's about how much I'm coaching for. It ain't who is how much for me. I ain't got that much love for the game, but it's one way that that could happen. The only way that could ever happen is if my sons wanted me to coach them. That's the only way that could happen.

And it was allowed to happen because my sons have wanted me to coach them. It just has not been allowed to happen. It ain't allowed yet. Yeah, it's just not allowed to happen, you know. Okay. That's it. But if my sons wanted me to 100%, they would have me in, that's no question.

Joseph, we don't win a little over. We got some sad news to get to the people, though. Yeah, man. We will not be here on Friday. Dang. Yes. A little, a little. I got, I got, I got, I got some, I got some things that.

I need to do. Mm-hmm. And I will be unavailable at our normal time of 11. So we will see you guys next

week on Monday. We will have plenty to talk about, especially if we got 12 draft picks. We're going to have an old bunch to talk about on Monday. So we hope you guys have a beautiful, beautiful week, weekend. We will be

back here on Monday. Joe? Yo, I'm going to let y'all know. Y'all have a pleasant Valentine's Day. Have a blessed weekend. Be safe and we'll be back here on Monday. What's that? What's Valentine's Day, bro? Valentine's Day, man.

What day is that? I think it's a Friday. Friday? Yep. That's showed us. That's showed us for me. Hey, and we're going to thank you guys for joining us on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your podcast. We'll be back here. on Monday morning and we out.

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